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Is this the key to no nuclear waste?

A Fast-neutron reactor almost uses all of the fuel so there is almost no nuclear waste.

Why are we using PWR instead of these?

>> No.10698206

>>10698179
probably cause all that sodium doofus. Nuclear waste isn't much of a problem. Nuclear doesn't make much waste. It is a problem in the US cause Harry Reid won't let us build a place to store it. So it just accumulates at US powerplants, making all sorts of fun accidents more likely. Fuck the US even pays them to store it.

>> No.10698224

>>10698206
whats the problem with sodium?

>> No.10698228
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10698228

Getting the chemistry right seems to be the main hurdle right now. That and the miles high stack of paperwork it takes just to build a test reactor.
The fast reactor that holds the most promise right now is one being designed by Elysium
http://www.elysiumindustries.com/technology

>> No.10698256

super corrosive and most alloys capable of dealing with it aren't approved for nuclear use

>> No.10698295

i think its the future

>> No.10698315

>>10698228
>>10698256
These, both the research and the practical applications of chemical purification and refinement of molten salts are an absolute regulatory nightmare and astronomically expensive. Unfortunately majority of big players who can afford it are focusing on the pipe dream that is fusion.

>> No.10699076

>>10698224
it blows up if it gets wet. it can be corrosive

>> No.10699188

>>10699076
but its not getting in contact with water look at the model no way water is going to get into there thats why its seperated?

>> No.10699279

>>10699188
In practice it's really fucking hard to deal with molten sodium. There is water in the fucking air, even more so in a power plant. Shit can get wet even when you don't want it wet. I mean holy fucking shit you have a heat exchanger with fucking sodium and superheated steam. It would be very bad if that steam were to leak. You know how you fight a sodium fire? You sure as hell don't use water. You have to use liquid fucking nitrogen.

>> No.10699367

>>10699279
Or you could use supercritical CO2

>> No.10699397
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Damn this is like the 5th nuclear bread today nuclear gang taking over /sci/

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>>10699397
I wonder why

>> No.10700112

>>10698179
we harness the power of atoms to heat up water and turn a wheel.

>> No.10700343

>>10700112
I've always found that strange and sort of disappointing.

>> No.10700482

>>10699423
RBMK was a gud boi he dindu nuffin he just tryna turn he life around an go to college n' shit

>> No.10700507

>>10700343
Most power generators are just various means of turning a turbine.
Photovolaic solar is the only exception I can think of off the top of my head.

>> No.10700514

Wood fire powerplants are the future

>> No.10700524

>>10700507
also RTGs and other related stuff that uses peltiers, and also piezo-electric devices (although i dont know if anything uses those for generation for storage)

>> No.10700580

>>10700507
>>10700524

This, also the problem is that all thermocouples, etc, are inefficient AF compared to heating water and using it to spin a turbine when it comes to electrical power generation.

Now, what I'd love to see is someone hooking up a crude early-generation PWR like the ones in the NS Savannah or the icebreaker Lenin, but use it to power a giant triple-expansion engine like the ones in the Titanic or https://youtu.be/8lW0PJu8wUg .

Bonus points if you use it to power a submarine and ram commercial shipping as a revolt against the inherent tyranny of the modern world.

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>>10700482
Honestly the RBMK reactors is my favorite design as far as solid fuel reactors go.
It is easily scalable to 1500MWe+
Can be refuel while in operation
Can be used to breed more fuel
Can use natural uranium
Doesn't require insane pressures like AP1000

>> No.10700708

>>10700695
Just don't go running loss of coolant experiments on a neutron-poisoned reactor operating at 1/10th of the required thermal output, that's all!

>> No.10700713

hella expensive to build

>> No.10700737

>>10700695
you dumbass its a terrible reactor design noone in the world is retarded enough to use graphite moderated light water reactors.

>> No.10700741

>>10700737
Didn't the US build a bunch of them at Hanford in the 40s though?

>> No.10700746

>>10700741
small one yes. but a 1000 MWe one with no containment building fuck no. Its too unstable for civilian use.

>> No.10700768

>>10700746
>1000 MWe

You forgot the RBMK 1500s that they built in Lithuania

>> No.10700789

SCWR PBR > SCFR

>> No.10701150

>>10699367
This.

>> No.10701176

not great, not terrible

>> No.10701179

>>10698179
if you super compress any matter it is converted into electrons, quarks and gluons.

>> No.10701236

>>10699279
>emergency reactor shutdown
>sodium gets cooled down
>now it's a solid in the tubes
Ok now what

>> No.10701240

>>10699367
based and critical-pilled

>> No.10702244

>>10700507
>>10700524
Also fuel cells and ICEs.

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>>10700695
>You may not like it but this is what peak efficiency looks like

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>>10702303
>like a hummingbird

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>>10702303
What is that simulation?

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>>10703401
http://www.articlesbyaphysicist.com/ch2.html

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Take the LFTR pill.

>> No.10703523

Integral fast reactor was a good project, we could already have practical fast breeders. Too bad greencucks ruin everything.