/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10691397]

Since the U.S. government has more or less admitted these exist, I guess they're not /x/ anymore.

So what the hell are they? Literal space vehicles? Why would aliens visit us instead of sending robot probes? Why do they prefer to stay hidden, but not *that* hidden? Basically, what's their fucking problem?

[Anonymous No.10691423]

This is a very misleading premise to claim that the US is admitting UFOs exist. Yes, of course objects which are not explicitly identified due to lack of enough information have always existed. A kite or a plastic bag could be a UFO if the data available isn't enough to identify.
Immediately jumping from "we do not know what this is at all" to -> "therefor it is aliens from outer space" is retarded as fuck and the reason nobody takes UFOlogists seriously.
There is absolutely no reason to think aliens are involved. Not knowing what something is or where it came from does not indicate that it is aliens. Something acting in unusual ways does not indicate it is from outer space.
Could it be ayylmao? Sure. Anything is possible. It could also be ball lightning, or a software glitch in some cases, or an unusual natural phenomenon, or classified government technology. However, the lack of evidence means that unfalsifiable claims like "it's aliens!" is still just >>>/x/ tier garbage

[Anonymous No.10691455]

>>10691423
Sure, all of those are valid hypotheses. But how is the alien hypothesis less valid? We know life exists in the universe, so it's not positing anything new. And your priors should be reasonably high that life outside of Earth exists given the age and size of the universe. The alien hypothesis has a stigma because of its connection to low-status conspiracy culture, which may be deserved but is also apt to mislead.

[Anonymous No.10691477]

>universe is big
>therefore alien spaceships
I don't understand this logic

[Anonymous No.10691481]

>>10691477
A big universe has more opportunities for intelligent life to develop than a small one.

[Anonymous No.10691521]

>>10691423
based skeptic retard

>Immediately jumping from "we do not know what this is at all" to -> "therefor it is aliens from outer space"
they don't make this jump at all
>the reason nobody takes UFOlogists seriously.
they're not taken seriously because they haven't produced any evidence or results at all rendering their 'job' pointless
>There is absolutely no reason to think aliens are involved
process of elimination, once the meme sightings (weather phenomenon, drones etc) have been removed the credible sightings which remain and showcase maneuverability/speed/build structure that is not currently or previously possible by any government (even accounting for estimated secret military advances) or private entity and moving in such a way that no human could pilot then the alien answer is one of very few that remain

[Anonymous No.10691569]

>>10691455
It's not.

[Anonymous No.10691586]

>>10691397
Any flying object is a UFO if you're bad enough at identifying them

[Anonymous No.10691658]

>>10691521
Oh you’re taking about the white tic-tac that is constantly spammed on /sci/. Yep, must be an alien, you win

[Anonymous No.10691667]

>>10691423
Just shut the fuck up already and stop acting like you know what the fuck you're talking about dipshit.

[Anonymous No.10691734]

>>10691658
To be fair, that is one of the few compelling pieces of video evidence. To my knowledge, even Mick West has not been able to give a natural explanation of it, even after his good work on the Gimbal video.

[Anonymous No.10691736]

>>10691397

[Anonymous No.10691739]

Probably not aliens. Could be sensor artifacts, or test vehicles as much as it could be ayys. If it's ayys why didn't we detect them entering the solar system?

[Anonymous No.10691740]

The fact that "aliens" only supposedly show up as blurry UFOs in the age of digital cameras showed its not a valid explanation for UFOs.

[Anonymous No.10691742]

>>10691521
Once you remove natural phenomena and man-made tech, you're pretty much left with "it's aliens," "it's a probe from a parallel universe," or "it's a trick in the simulation." Aliens, while weird, aren't *that* implausible.

[Anonymous No.10691744]

>>10691658
then what is it dipshit?

[Anonymous No.10691746]

>>10691397
No they didn't you brainlet. A scam artist trying to get publicity for his documentary said they did.

[Anonymous No.10691748]

>>10691667
This is how the average /x/ poster acts. You explain why what they believe is wrong and all they can do is react in anger. I have browsing the board for the last 2 weeks as a case study.

[Anonymous No.10691749]

>>10691455
There is no evidence that life outside of earth exists, if it does there is no evidence that space travel is possible. Even if there were, aliens is still far less likely than simple optical error.

[Anonymous No.10691750]

>>10691397
Why does everyone forget what the U in UFO stands for?

[Anonymous No.10691753]

>>10691744
Don't know. Doesn't make it aliens. In fact, even though I don't know what it is I can say near certainly that it isn't aliens.

[Anonymous No.10691756]

>>10691742
That's not true, though. Once you remove natural phenomena and man-made tech, you still have natural phenomena that you don't know about and man-made tech that you don't know about.

[Anonymous No.10691757]

>>10691742
How can you remove natural phenomena and man-made tech, or equipment malfunction or unreliable witness reports? If aliens are a plausible explanation why do we never see aliens outside of blurry UFOs?

[Anonymous No.10691763]

Just dismissing that viral video the military released as a simple "computer glitch" is fucking pathetic and irresponsible.

The government doesn't waste millions of dollars of investigating UFOs for nothing you stupid fuck.

We don't know what the hell that thing was. Even if it's not an extraterrestrial, it could be some other foreign threat. That was anti-gravity technology we witnessed and for all we know it could be the Chinese behind it. I don't know about you, but this is some serious stuff and could be a potential threat to our national security you dumb son of a bitch.

[Anonymous No.10691764]

>>10691749
We know space travel is possible because our solar system is traveling through space, and because dust and light seem to manage it fine. The distances are totally workable even at a modest fraction of the speed of light, and probes would have none of the hazards a biological organism would while traveling through space.

[Anonymous No.10691770]

>>10691753
hurrr durrr idk what it is, but it's not aliens

shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.10691771]

/x/ is going full HAPPENING on this shit. It's literally just a documentary some guy is making where he says "Dude, I have evidence, trust me". He has some interviews from some people who at one point worked in government that said they personally can't explain what UFOs are. That doesn't mean the government as a whole takes UFOs seriously or mean that they are ayy lmoas. Are you faggots really surprised that with the literally millions of people that work for the government that some would think UFOs are a big deal?

[Anonymous No.10691772]

>>10691771
>That doesn't mean the government as a whole takes UFOs seriously or mean that they are ayy lmoas.

actually they do take it seriously. that's why millions of dollars have been spent investigating them you stupid fuck

[Anonymous No.10691773]

>>10691770
See >>10691748
It's cute how mad /x/ schizos get when they learn you don't believe in their bullshit.
It's not aliens because there is literally no evidence of it being aliens and since the chances of it being aliens are near 0.

[Anonymous No.10691777]

>>10691744
Well it can't be aliens because then I'd know what it is

[Anonymous No.10691778]

>>10691740
This is a valid point, and reasonable evidence against UFOs as aliens. However, sightings overall have gone up, as has video footage, though so far only one or two compelling videos. If genuine alien probes are a tiny fraction of sightings, it could be a while before knockdown evidence shows up.

[Anonymous No.10691779]

>>10691772
Millions of dollars have been spent by the government trying to figure out if Psychic powers were real too. They don't take it seriously now. Also spending a very small fraction of money on something doesn't mean they take it seriously, ever hear of Pork Barrel Spending?

[Anonymous No.10691784]

They said they're not extra-terrestrial.

Which makes sense. It's FAR more likely for Earthlings to travel to a parallel world or travel back in time, than it would be for an extra-terrestrial to randomly find our little planet. It's possible that they're from BOTH a parallel world and are time travelers because maybe the act of traveling back in time is not possible, but instead you travel to a parallel world that's different from your own past. This would eliminate any grandfather paradox problems.

[Anonymous No.10691787]

>>10691763
The problem here is that skepticism is seem has high-status and belief in UFOs as low-status for various historical reasons, so people flock to unreasonably strong skepticism even in the face of hard-to-dismiss evidence to seem high-status.

[Anonymous No.10691793]

>>10691787
>Unreasonably high skepticism
>Not believing aliens are fucking people in the ass is unreasonably high

[Anonymous No.10691794]

>>10691787
>Hard-to-dismiss evidence
Post some then faggot.

[Anonymous No.10691795]

>>10691784
This is indeed quite possible.

[Anonymous No.10691798]

>>10691794
The TicTac video, obviously.

[Anonymous No.10691804]

>>10691771
Tom Delonge is a retard who just happens to be correct that alien tech has been on Earth.

[Anonymous No.10691812]

>>10691763
>the government has never wasted money or funded pointless research
anon...

[Anonymous No.10691825]

>>10691397
>the U.S. government has more or less admitted these exist
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.10691830]

>>10691825
not an argument

[Anonymous No.10691831]

>>10691787
No, the problem is people randomly proclaiming that anything that's not explained which is at a higher elevation than the ground is aliens for no apparent reason. It's impossible to discuss UFOs without people making these non sequiturs. It would be fine if there was any reason to suspect that these unidentified things are related to aliens, but there is literally never any argument for it being aliens other than "well we don't know what it is".

[Anonymous No.10691833]

>>10691798
People have already explained that.I love how just because you can't explain it, that means it's unexplained.
Multiple have explained why it's most likely the flame of another jet.

[Anonymous No.10691835]

>>10691830
Neither is saying aliens r real

[Anonymous No.10691838]

>>10691397
Applying the meme razor:

>Fake bluff by the army to overstate capabilities
>The US government testing countermeasures and reaction in such a scenario
>Something explainable and normal
>Project Blue Beam
500 lines later
>actual UFO

[Anonymous No.10691839]

>>10691833
>Multiple have explained why it's most likely the flame of another jet.
what the fuck are you going on about. that is the dumbest explanation I've ever heard.

[Anonymous No.10691840]

>>10691772
>Spend millions
>Then defunded it after it was a waste
>Was funded by one guy who almost got fired for wasting money

[Anonymous No.10691842]

>>10691839
I didn't realize you were an expert in planes. I don't give a shit what you think is dumb

[Anonymous No.10691845]

>>10691831
It doesn't seem like a big jump. If Mayans had spotted inorganic-looking objects moving on the ocean, they would not have been crazy to suppose another race of humans from distant shores was piloting them, and indeed they would have been wise to consider it.

[Anonymous No.10691848]

>>10691833
You're talking about the Gimbal video. I'm talking about something else. It's the white object moving over the ocean at a high speed.

[Anonymous No.10691852]

>>10691397
The only reason I’m skeptical of them being aliens is that I can’t think of any good reason for them to be annoying aircraft carriers and otherwise doing little of note.

[Anonymous No.10691858]

>>10691739
Why would we? If they can go 25000 mph and turn invisible I think they could hide from our shitty sensors.

[Anonymous No.10691863]

>>10691739
Nigga we cant even detect what is in our system let alone a small object flying in. We catch things by chance

[Anonymous No.10691879]

>>10691852

Advanced Chinese drones

[Anonymous No.10691884]

>>10691397

It is black budget military tech you fucking retards. Military is always experimenting with shit 50-100 years technologically ahead of anything available in the private sector. Are you high?

[Anonymous No.10691885]

>>10691879
which is unironically a much better explanation than the claim about it being flame from a jet we don't see like the other retard said above

[Anonymous No.10691895]

>>10691879
I’m actually more skeptical of the possibility of 21st century humans on Earth possessing drones that advanced than I am of aliens because I actually have a reference point for how developed human understanding of science and technology is currently otherwise. This would require not only seemingly physics-defying propulsion systems but also extremely advanced materials science to protect the structure from G-forces.

[Anonymous No.10691962]

Four things:
>UFOs were detected by advanced new networked radar and other instruments (AESA, CEC)
>UFOs were locked on by heat seeking missiles
>multiple pilots witnessed the UFOs
>UFOs were seen on FLIR cams
Individually these things might be explainable, but all of them together? Each with at least three separate events in 2004, 2014, and 2015? The only thing we need now is an event where lots of people are able to see (and record?) the UFOs, e.g. one coming close to a carrier. It's curious though that there is one pilot who has experienced both events in 2004 and 2015...

But as for an explanation, who knows? I think the probability is something like this:
>black project
50%
>error, coincidence, mass hysteria
30%
>aliens
20%
>technologically advanced humans (maybe from the future)
0.00001%

I think the only way we may be sure of an answer is to capture or destroy one of the the UFOs, which may not be possible if they're aliens or technologically advanced humans.

[Anonymous No.10691964]

>>10691962
It’s a MUCH older event but I find this one very interesting.
In the early 50’s, a swarm of UFO radar contacts were detected over D.C by multiple radar stations and aircraft. They vanished when some planes patrolled and came back when they left.

[Anonymous No.10692014]

It is interesting that UFO reports exploded after 1945, coinciding with the Trinity test. You might have thought the industrial revolution or something would have been the catalyst, but it seems nukes were what put us on the map.

[Anonymous No.10692033]

I don't understand how people believe in aliens, like what was the genesis that makes you believe in this?

[Anonymous No.10692040]

>>10692033
A beginner-level understanding of the current consensus on abiogenesis and the constant encounters between military aircraft and physics-defying entities.

>>10692014
Harnessing the power of stars is something remarkable.

[Anonymous No.10692072]

>>10691962
The way to analyze this is Bayes theorem. Let U be the event of all those 4 events occurring. Now let D be the even of aliens visiting Earth. Interestingly, Bayes Rule does not actually say that because A then B. Bayes Rule simply says A and B. Thus P(D|U)*P(U) = P(D and U) = P(U|D)P(D). So based on purely accurate data, the event that aliens visit Earth, given the enormous amount of evidence that says they probably haven't (traveling at light speed and that the vicinity makes it necessary for their craft to be nearby ) makes event D very,very, very unlikely. Almost 0. So you end up with P(D|U)*P(U) = P(U|D)P(D). and thus P(U|D) has a very high probability of occurring. Here is where things get interesting though, P(U) is also a very small number which means P(D|U) is a pretty large number, but in no way larger than P(U|D). So here is what you should take from this, concrete evidence of aliens visiting Earth is what solves this possible, not several unlikely events occurring. You see, what you are analyzing is P(U|D) which draws on the assumption the D has occurred. Instead you should be looking at P(D|U) which is much much smaller. All these values are fractions of billions if not trillions.

[Anonymous No.10692075]

>>10692072
>Assuming you’d need light speed to go somewhere else

[Anonymous No.10692107]

>>10692033
If there's life in one solar system, why can't there be life in more than one?

[Anonymous No.10692111]

>given the enormous amount of evidence that says they probably haven't (traveling at light speed and that the vicinity makes it necessary for their craft to be nearby

Huh? With self-replicating probes traveling at 0.7c, it wouldn't take more than a few million years to visit every star in the galaxy. The universe is 13 billion years old, so there has been plenty of time to get around.

[Anonymous No.10692134]

>>10691734
>To be fair
To be fair, no it isn't.

[Anonymous No.10692139]

>>10692014
>It is interesting that UFO reports exploded after 1945
>1945 is the year they moved Von Braun to New Mexico and started testing.
Yeah it really is weird how could it be anything other than aliens.

[Anonymous No.10692157]

>>10691423
The resident retard has arrived

[Anonymous No.10692176]

Is there a video of the UFO?

[Anonymous No.10692179]

>>10692176
Youtube Nimitz video.

[Anonymous No.10692218]

>>10692107
Why assume that they have spacecraft? If they were so advanced, why not travel by teleport? Or just watch us through a gigantic telescope?

[Anonymous No.10692225]

>>10692218
maybe it's aliens, but alien teenagers just fucking around?

[Anonymous No.10692229]

>>10692225
Just tell them about the bare tits on Voyager then and they'll fuck off

[Anonymous No.10692230]

>>10691764
our solar system needs 1/4th of the sun‘s lifetime to get around once

[Anonymous No.10692242]

>>10691740
>>10691739
You guys are so behind the times. I'm not a believer in that they are aliens. They seem more likely top secret U.S. funded projects imo.

There is a 22m dollar U.S. UFO program confirmed by the pentagon. Also the Navy publicly announced via the New York Times that they have a 'UFO problem', whatever that means.

legit sightings by Navy pilots and Radar specialists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRgoisHRmUE

[Anonymous No.10692248]

What kind of cameras are the military using where the UFOs show up? We can just buy some, record the sky 24/7 and see if we see anything.

[Anonymous No.10692253]

>>10692248
They see them through multiple radar systems and somewhere in the video I linked, mentions the camera of the fighter jet. I know it has infrared capabilities. One odd thing about the video footage they took is that no combustion shows up in the infrared video like it would with any other aircraft form heat signatures.

[Anonymous No.10692254]

>>10692075
light needs 4 years to the next star system, one which has erupted recently.
even if you could travel at relativistic speeds, communication with your home planet would be impossible

[Anonymous No.10692256]

>>10691667
Just shut the fuck up already and stop acting like you know what the fuck you're talking about dipshit.

[Anonymous No.10692260]

>>10692107
you are not only assuming that other forms of life exists, you are assuming that it is close enough for humanity to be detectable (a tiny dot in our galaxy), that it is capable of observing the first human signals which are very weak and spread with r^-2, that it is able to locate the origin of that signal, that it is physically feasible to travel these distances in such a short time and that said life is capable of doing that.

[Anonymous No.10692412]

>>10691423
these niggers are fucking retarded, this thread should've ended with your post

[Anonymous No.10692420]

>>10692260
No, I'm not assuming aliens would seek out out solar system, merely that aliens with autonomous von Neumann probes would be able to visit every star in the galaxy relatively quickly, safely and cheaply.

[Anonymous No.10692432]

>>10691397
I personally wouldn't buy the tic tac UFO story, the project was funded by some UFO billionaire enthusiast and the guy in charge of it claim the UFO's to be demons, and apparently they are making a documentary about it too, it all seems fake.

[Anonymous No.10692447]

I formulated the theory of electrogravity in 2013 and I formulated the theory of time travel in 2018, and UFOs through history are probably machines using technologies whose basis lies in these theories I recently wrote down.

[Anonymous No.10692449]

Electogravity

[Anonymous No.10692460]

Time machine

[Anonymous No.10692469]

Time machine

[Anonymous No.10692522]

>>10692469
I dont have the energy to read all of that, can you give me a quick run down please?

[Anonymous No.10692530]

>>10691397
>Since the NSDAP has more or less admitted they build these, I guess they're not /x/ anymore.

[Anonymous No.10692551]

>>10692432
yeah bro, the DOD and the entire crew of the USS Nimitz are just trolling us, thanks for enlightening everyone here

>>10692254
>communication with your home planet would be impossible
brainlet

>>10692248
people have been doing this for decades, it's pointless because even if you catch something abnormal it's just another far away ufo caught on video and there's certainly no shortage of those

[Anonymous No.10692581]

>>10691397
Show me the Government admitting UFOs are aliens.

[Anonymous No.10692582]

>>10692242
If the footage is real and was captured on multiple sensors, it's hard to actually deny that the object certainly does show maneuvers that current technology simply does not offer us, apparently it was the size of F17 making no acceleration jumps in velocity. I could believe that it was a burned sensor if it wasn't monitored on multiple stations, this is just hard to explain. In my eyes, there are only three possibilities

a) It's completely fake

b) It's some unknown technology, to satisfy the laws of physics the object would however have to be extra light and even then the propulsion would have to leave no heat tracks - could be either aliens or the govt. but seeing as it's full of dumb people, I don't see how this kind of technology could be kept in secrecy from the scientific community

c) It's some strange unobserved natural phenomenon

It's most likely a) or some kind of government psy-ops in my opinion. I would like to see the comments from the DOD on these Nimitz encounters.

[Anonymous No.10692585]

>>10692581
This

[Anonymous No.10692586]

>>10692551
>The DOD and the entire crew of the USS Nimitz are just trolling us, t
The DOD has denied it. A few crew members dubiously claim it was real. There is one person who used to head a small department that looked into UFO videos on behalf of the DOD, and he claims the tic tac video is real, even though people have tied the video back to a video production studio based in South America, and have found evidence of said video online as early as 2007.
The fact a video that was uploaded to the Internet in the early 2000s, and made it way though the DoD doesn't mean the video is real, or that the video is the Government proving the existence of aliens. It means the DoD downloaded a video off the internet.
No conspiracy theories required.

[Anonymous No.10692609]

>>10692586
>DOD has denied
links pls

[Anonymous No.10692630]

>>10692586
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=172&v=KuCju2mRQdw
any other mental gymnastics fren?

[Anonymous No.10692653]

>>10692630
Well damn, that report was actually quite well done given US news standards.

[Anonymous No.10692700]

>>10691397
>the extra-terrestrials that visit earth are in fact humans from the future.
>all of time for them is happening simultaneously
>they return to the past to guide mankind to further scientific advancements
>the dark ages is a fixed point in time
>during the dark ages science was treated as sorcery and was condemned
>this was because the religion and ideologies that the future humans perpetuate lead to societal variations that cause people to behave and believe a certain way
>for example science not being practiced

>all the micro changes the future humans make to further their advancement is what causes the Mandela Effect
>CERN is the ultimate goal for making the final push toward becoming like gods
>the higgs, able to exist in two places at once, is their goal they need it to be able to transition from this universe to the next without being destroyed so they can be like gods in the next universe

Do you ever wonder why the government has technology that is years and years beyond what is available to the public? Its because that technology isnt for us, not yet. Its all for them, the humans that will gradually become so technically advanced that they can destroy and create whole worlds. All that technology will slowly be released to the public as our development continues.

>the future humans abduct humans from all time periods to harvest DNA to genetically engineer people to match the current DNA of the relevant times
>these genetically engineered humans are placed in positions of power and media in order to guarantee the order of their system they have created
>this is why their religion is Luciferian
>because Lucifer is the fallen angel that rebelled against God
>and seeks nothing more than to become LIKE God
>lucifer is using humans to perpetuate his goal to become like God
>humans unwittingly follow him
>the whole world is satanic
>reality is illusion
>its all just a part of his masterful plan to be as a god

[Anonymous No.10692759]

>>10692630
>goatee man says it's real
Pack it in folks.

[Anonymous No.10692799]

>>10692586

You realize you're creating your own conspiracy theory interpretation of events there?

[Anonymous No.10692826]

>>10692581
The head of Canadian defense Paul Hellyer gave a specific number of species we have regular interaction with

[Anonymous No.10692924]

whats with the to the stars academy? the fact that they are a part of this makes it seem shady or a joke.

[Anonymous No.10693025]

>>10692609
>>10692630
>>10692799
https://www.wired.com/story/what-is-up-with-those-pentagon-ufo-videos/
Of course Wired is just a shill slider site that is trying to cover up the REAL facts.

[Anonymous No.10693045]

>>10692826
Animals don't count, anon.

[Anonymous No.10693107]

>>10692582
If its a psy op, for what purpose do you think they would be doing it?

[Anonymous No.10693119]

has anyone put together the data to show a timeline or simulation of the events?

[Anonymous No.10693121]

>>10691667
keep believing my sweet child

[Anonymous No.10693181]

>>10691397
>the U.S. government
I believe in alien life but you can be fucked if you think i'd take (((they're))) word for it

[Anonymous No.10693201]

Pic related is my issue with any people claiming alien/UFO activity. Deal with this and I’ll buy it.

[Anonymous No.10693214]

>>10693201
Nobody talked about their physical features here.

[Anonymous No.10693218]

so the videos are fake, the pilots saw illusions, and the radar signatures were software/hardware bugs? thats some elaborate hoaxing.

[Anonymous No.10693299]

>>10692551
>brainlet
have fun waiting doucens or hundreds of years for a response, fucker

[Anonymous No.10693602]

>>10693107
I think the standard explanation for such psy-ops is intelligence gathering, like making people interested in such things reveal themselves. not for a FEMA camp list or whatever, more for spotting dangerous individuals who are currently spiralling off into schizophrenia and might hurt people, that sort of thing. imagine someone going on a "they live" rampage irl because he thinks he can spot aliens with special sun glasses. if certain topics like conspiracy theories attract mentally ill people you can map out where the mentally ill of a certain type live and if you then have a crime that indicates a perpetrator of the corresponding mental illness you have a bunch of leads based on proximity or chat logs or whatever else they can collect in advance.

[Anonymous No.10694667]

>>10693218
It is very expensive hoaxing

[Anonymous No.10694693]

>>10691423
This. In fact I would take it a step forward and saying there is pretty much no chance there is life like us anywhere else in the universe. Life is not meant to be present in the universe, it's pretty much the luckiest thing to happen, for life to be born. If there is life somewhere out there, it's so fucking far that we will never find them. And if we do they'll be just like humans, I don't think life would vary that much. A planet harboring life like earth would need to be just like earth, have that perfect makeup. Which results in the same exact shit. There's nothing out there, it's unbelievable but that's the truth. Given how big the universe is you would think there has to be mathematically but nope.

[Anonymous No.10694709]

>>10694693
I can buy this argument if only because it makes us feel that much more special again.

[Anonymous No.10694717]

>>10693602
>it's all a government conspiracy to spy on paranoid schizophrenics

[Anonymous No.10694735]

>>10694717
That is the standard explanation for psy-ops in the UFO / /x/-tier realm though. I wouldn't bet that it's common but I would bet that it has been tried before. Seems plausible enough that some government agency would at least try it once. What do you think flat earth is all about, if not about measuring how many percent of the population are completely removed from reality to the point they don't grasp the implications of basic modern technologies they personally use like GPS? If you think flat earth is about something other than an attempt (whether by governments or not) to reveal the extremely gullible portion of people then please give your hypothesis for it.

[Anonymous No.10694745]

>>10694735
The conspiracy to suppress information and scientific literacy, fucking obviously. The government actively produces and disseminates red herrings and misinformation because it is much easier to distract from than to hide information. For example, the Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum mechanics is literally false. UFOs are real but they have nothing to do with aliens, they are man made. The whole alien conspiracy is a fucking meme created by the government to create the illusion that we don't have that tech. The entire conspiracy is founded on the assumption that the observed unidentified flying objects could not be man made. It's fucking obvious, brainlet. Get on my level.

[Anonymous No.10694759]

>>10694745
I also believe that all the "real" UFO sightings were military experiment planes / VTOLs. but there are still wars happening and they could be wrapped up faster if the US (who starts all those wars) would suddenly employ vastly superior technology. especially after the failures of vietnam, afghanistan and iraq it makes no sense to assume that the US are hiding military tech of huge practical value. if they could instantly zoom a drone around in random directions at high speeds this would be a revolution for intelligence gathering in a war zone and for drone strikes. do you believe that the US had those capsule UFOs zooming around in their recent campaigns in the middle east? if not, wtf are they holding them back for?

[Anonymous No.10694761]

>>10694735
Flat earth is a transparent prank/satire movement in the vein of a proto-/b/ op. How anyone can be taken in so easily, hook line and sinker, is beyond me. Congrats I guess.

[Anonymous No.10694767]

>>10694759
Why would they spend billions of dollars to suppress knowledge of these devices while flaunting them all over the world doing shit that a literal fucking ape can do? You are missing the point completely. And I said they are man made, not specific national government made. You need to rewatch JFK's speech on mutually assured destruction if you really don't understand why relativistic kill missiles aren't a core component of basic snatch and grab oil operations.

[Anonymous No.10694780]

>>10694759
The point is that this technology is extremely dangerous, like highly deadly black tarantula.

Why is that, you might ask?

It is because a flying saucer uses a tokamak and high frequency microwave emitters to accelerate some mass to relativistic speeds. The accelerated masses generate strong gravitational waves with very high frequency. These waves annihilate all incoming waves in a process called total destructive interference. In effect the craft cancels out the inertia of the passengers and is totally unaffected by local gravitational masses.

It's also the key to nuclear fusion energy generators, advanced materials engineering and obviously weapons of mass destruction. So there you have it.

[Anonymous No.10694781]

>unidentified flying object
>ayy lmaos confirmed
Pick exactly one.

[Anonymous No.10695133]

>>10694780
You just made me realize that one if these ships could destroy the entire planet by ramming into it. Not good.

[Anonymous No.10695139]

>>10692449
>>10692460
>>10692469
Just because you can math it doesn't mean it is physically possible.

[Anonymous No.10695201]

>>10694780
yeah, im pretty sure thats not how physics works.

[Anonymous No.10695208]

>>10695201
>says the stinking earthape with no astronavigation or warp rocketry degree

[Anonymous No.10695213]

>>10691423
Except every astronaut believes and tons of pilots. Plastic bag assumption is stupid at best. The real question is what's shadow govt with lockhead and boieng vs actual aliens

[Anonymous No.10695237]

>>10693201
>aliens can't evolve features similar to humans
Other planets have geographical features similar to Earth. The evolutionary process didn't happen in a vacuum, it was a result of life struggling against natural forces (among others) - natural forces rooted in physical laws which are identical on every other Earth-like planet in the universe. It's not a farfetched idea to suggest that the alien biological mechanisms evolved to overcome these hardships might be end up being very close to terrestrial ones.

[Anonymous No.10695258]

>>10695208

[Anonymous No.10695325]

>>10695237
>It's not a farfetched idea to suggest that the alien biological mechanisms evolved to overcome these hardships might be end up being very close to terrestrial ones.
"Similar" maybe. Some kind of eyes, hands and brain seems likely. An octopus civilization fits these constraints.

[Anonymous No.10695353]

>>10691739
>>10691962
>black project
>test vehicles
Someone having developed miniaturized reactionless drives and equally miniaturized powerplants that allow double-digit G acceleration/maneuvers and hiding it might actually be scarier than ayys, since it would mean humanity-saving tech is being hidden.

[Anonymous No.10695364]

>>10691397
Modern day war kites. It’s disinfo to confuse foreign nations.

[Anonymous No.10695427]

The UFOs are almost certainly highly-advanced craft. Proof? There are many incidents of the military monitoring the UFOs as they perform aerobatic maneuvers that would disentegrate modern-day materials. There have even been incidents where the UFOs have been visually observed my multiple parties.

Instead of meandering about by talking about plastic bags and other stupid shit, we ought to discuss the likely possibility of the UFOs being highly-advanced.

So where did they come from? They are either operated by aliens or humans. I postulate humans. See https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?c=UFOs

I understand the above link is VERY /x/, but it discusses highly-advanced craft that are developed by our militaries. The above link could be very applicable.

[Anonymous No.10695431]

>>10695427
>The bases are varied. There are bases, as you would call them, undersea in your southern waters near the Bahamas as well as in your Pacific seas in various places close to your Chilean borders on the water. There are bases upon your moon, as you call this satellite, which are at this time being reworked. There are bases which move about your lands. There are bases, if you would call them that, in your skies. These are the bases of your peoples, very numerous and, as we have said, potentially destructive.

[Anonymous No.10695469]

>>10691784
So if humans could posses this capability, why don't you think another species could? Maybe even a species from another planet?

Where's the logic

[Anonymous No.10695475]

>>10695469
>50g turns
>5k mph
>no wings/ignores gravity
>no engines
>doesn’t produce sonic booms
Do you know what matches the description of an object like this perfectly?
A projected hologram using only lights and mirrors.
Therefore MOST LIKELY these are holograms.
I believe propaganda against US citizens was legalized under the Obama administration.
These UFOs are just tricks of light to stir shit up.

[Anonymous No.10695489]

>>10695475
The whole universe is a hologram, so what is your point?

[Anonymous No.10695497]

>>10695489
Maybe, but relative to us this is just photons in the sky making a picture, rather than a tangible spacecraft.
It doesn’t make a sonic boom because it’s just tricks with light, like if you moved a laser dot back and forth in random directions on a wall. A projected hologram lets the open air be the ‘wall’ at whatever distance in the sky you want.
If you see an object behaving like these UFOs, it’s 99.9999% likely to be a projected hologram (from the ground or from satellite) than anything else.
These UFOs are most likely just war kites to scare aggressors because of geopolitical tensions.

[Anonymous No.10695499]

>>10695489
This made a lot of sense when I learned a bit about projections.

[Anonymous No.10695500]

>>10695489
Also very cool image thank you.

[Anonymous No.10695752]

>>10691397
so how do they fly? VTOL?

[Anonymous No.10695779]

>>10691397
i've worked with people in the program that fly these fuckers. yeah they are real and i can't stand the fuckers who run the "show" if you will. total asshole and idiots that i would love to see dragged out into the street and shot in the middle of a busy intersection so people can see what you do to "people" like that.

[Anonymous No.10695863]

>>10695475
>Do you know what matches the description of an object like this perfectly?
Ball lightning

[Anonymous No.10695874]

>>10691423
/thread
Pack it up boys

[Anonymous No.10696139]

>>10695863
I’ve seen this personally (it was green) and I knew what it was instinctively. Looked like a meteor it was so big.

[Anonymous No.10696156]

>>10691423
They said the objects travel upwards of 5000 mph , stay in flight for extended periods of time, and a Navy pilot described it as "a sphere enclosing a cube."
So since there's no reason to believe it's not from earth, what earthly do you know of that reconciles those three properties? I'll wait.

[Anonymous No.10696157]

>>10693218
No, they saw something they couldn’t identify. Probably another plane or balloon.

[Anonymous No.10696167]

>>10695237
Raccoons have hands and feet but don’t look like us yet they are very closely related to us. If we find an alien at the very least it should look as different from us than we are to other mammals.

[Anonymous No.10696172]

>>10695427
>There have even been incidents where the UFOs have been visually observed my multiple parties.
Doesn’t mean anything. Multiple people can see something they don’t identify.

[Anonymous No.10696179]

>imagine thinking it's even possible to leave and/or enter the solar system

[Anonymous No.10696181]

>>10696157
Balloons confirmed can fly 25,000 MPH

[Anonymous No.10696185]

>>10696156
Ball lightning or a projected hologram tech being tested.
Hologram tech is a big field in military research.

[Anonymous No.10696186]

>>10696179
We’ve already left the solar system with a probe, moron.

>>10694735
It doesn’t reveal anything since everyone that believes it is already schizo.

[Anonymous No.10696190]

>>10696186

>We’ve already left the solar system with a probe, moron.

The treadmill also says you've ran a 5K even tho you never left the same place :)

[Anonymous No.10696194]

>>10696190
Okay? Voyager isn’t on a treadmill. It’s in space.

[Anonymous No.10696202]

>>10696194

it's on the treadmill called dark matter + the solar system travelling at 500k mph

[Anonymous No.10696203]

>>10696202
Nope. It’s beyond the heliopause now, in the interstellar void.

[Anonymous No.10696209]

>>10694735
Never assume malice when ignorance will suffice.

[Anonymous No.10696214]

>>10695863

Ball lightning occurs over ground, it's caused by lightning vaporizing silicate in soil.

[Anonymous No.10696221]

>>10696214
It’s also very rare and doesn’t match up at all with something appearing consistently for weeks over the open ocean.

[Anonymous No.10696246]

>>10691397
Why would aliens send such crappy tech?
That sounds less like an alien probe and more like a "alien in distress" possibly escaping a larger vehicle somewhere else.

If that is the case, then that would confirm that aliens treat our system as a "no go zone" potentially to train us up into something - either slaves or another partner colony of their organised system.
I'd be more concerned if nothing came into contact with us. That would suggest we're on a path of certain doom like all other life in the universe on their rocks in space.

>>10691423
This is not really /x/ tier anymore. We need to ask serious questions on this topic. It's not supernatural phenomena. It's natural phenomena.

[Anonymous No.10696269]

>>10691423
>Immediately jumping from "we do not know what this is at all" to -> "therefore it is aliens from outer space" is retarded as fuck and the reason nobody takes UFOlogists seriously.
I disagree, we do not question issues about alien contact enough.

Chances are, "aliens" have been monitoring us for some time, potentially the entire length of our existence.
But I do agree that most UFOs are just simple unidentified human made or natural phenomena, potentially phenomena kept secret from the public by our governments because they're defence related.

You want to know why area 51 is so secured? Look it up on google maps. Look to the south west.
I have no doubt it stores nukes or nuclear material, hence why they need to keep it so heavily secured.
Same with Pine Gap I think.

[Anonymous No.10696282]

>>10691812
But he didn't say that. They research UFOs because they're potentially security threats from "enemy states". Expect more and more of them in the next few years as tensions between states rises.

[Anonymous No.10696285]

>>10691830
They've admitted UFOs exist (i.e. potential hostile state weaponry or intelligence tech).
Just look at U2s, they could easily be misidentified by the untrained eye.

[Anonymous No.10696286]

>>10692014
>it seems nukes were what put us on the map
Area 51 likely stores nukes and deals with nuke related tech. New mexico is them freaking out that the soviets may have used new tech they know nothing about.

[Anonymous No.10696297]

>>10692139
Considering things like this:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_propulsion
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beam-powered_propulsion#Testing
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_sail

Alien tech would look nothing like the sci-fi ships we see on TV or the UFOs we see on the news as conspiracies.
Even boeing patented "laser jet" tech recently.

Now THAT is interesting shit. A rabbit hole /sci/ needs to go over.

Also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon#Laser_weapons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_weapon

With the last link, also consider this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_pressure
You can create pressure with radiation, yet you never hear people talk about that. Why?
It could render current petroleum engines useless perhaps (which would explain why).

[Anonymous No.10696302]

>>10692218
>>10692225
Think "ship in distress". If aliens came here, it would be because they needed urgent help.

[Anonymous No.10696307]

>>10692447
What are time crystals?

[Anonymous No.10696312]

>>10691397

www.ascensionglossary.com

They're ED's.

They have agendas.

[Anonymous No.10696314]

>>10692530
Light travels in a straight line... until it hits something.

[Anonymous No.10696319]

>>10692700
>Lucifer is the fallen angel that rebelled against God
But see determinism.

[Anonymous No.10696322]

>>10692700

Satan is the shadow of Lucifer the Lightbringer. You were redpilled wrong friend, all EDs aren't just from this physical Earth's "future", though yes some may be

[Anonymous No.10696324]

>>10694717
>possibly the least rare pepe.jpg
kek

[Anonymous No.10696328]

>>10695489
>hologram
that's a universe created word though.

[Anonymous No.10696332]

>>10696297
>perhaps
perhaps is doing a shit ton of work in your post

[Anonymous No.10696333]

>>10696322
The two are one and the same you dumb dualist.

[Anonymous No.10696339]

>>10696332
What do you mean?
It was a far fetched jab, but I've grown more spiteful to petroleum industry in it's current form. We waste too much of it on moving things rather than in the production of the things themselves.

[Anonymous No.10696346]

>>10696333
>point out the different names given to two polar symbolic descriptions of a primordial force
>>"heads and tails are on the same coin!!!"

[Anonymous No.10696351]

>>10696269
>You want to know why area 51 is so secured? Look it up on google maps. Look to the south west.
>I have no doubt it stores nukes or nuclear material, hence why they need to keep it so heavily secured.
It's also an R&D base where other advanced aircraft had been tested and developed.
Though there was a big lawsuit many years ago from a bunch of civilian contractors who worked there tried to sue because they had been burning toxic chemicals in open trenches and it got a bunch of people sick.
You don't need to invoke ayy lmaos to come up with reasons why a superpower with more money spent in arms development than the next several countries combined would have black sites and classified locations of increasing secrecy.
Even as a kid, when I was really into UFO's and Paranormal stuff I thought it was weird that everyone knew area 51 existed (dat popular mechanics issue where they took the first satelite photos of area 51) then why would they still keep anything "secret" there. Then I realized that if I was trying to keep something secret the best thing to do would be misdirect everyone to some truly scandalous shit that's "supposedly" happening over here.

[Anonymous No.10696360]

>>10696346
>points out the head and tail
>it's not the same thing, they're different

[Anonymous No.10696369]

>>10696351
Nah, I've learned that keeping secrets in this world is like trying to keep a marital affair under wraps.
It's going to come out eventually.

Hence why I hate internet censorship. It is a waste of resources.

[Anonymous No.10696372]

>>10696346
Lucifer is the angel ASSIGNED by God in this beginning to endure through time as the leader of the forces of Darkness.
Once fallen, Satan is the one we "blame", when in fact, all suffering is from the imaginary self; and this is the lesson Lucifer works to bring us.
That WE are the ones responsible for our reality
Lucifer is the bringer of Light. And calling him "Satan" is just cultural conditioning designed to be an external thing to blame for our misery
Embrace all Darkness if you want to shine all Light

[Anonymous No.10696381]

>>10696372
Light and darkness are just universal properties.
Satan is a pet name we give to universal properties.

I hate these memes.

[Anonymous No.10696390]

>>10696381
Agreed
Agreed
And yah same

[Anonymous No.10696405]

>>10696339
Is there something wrong with you that makes you write like that?

[Anonymous No.10696413]

>>10696322
Wrong. Lucifer is just a Greek god. Nothing to do with abrahamic bullshit

[Anonymous No.10696418]

>>10696372
No, dumb fag. Lucifer is a Greek god who represents the planet Venus. His mom is Aurora, goddess of the dawn. Has nothing to do with the fake Jew god

[Anonymous No.10696420]

>>10696405
Is there something wrong with you for thinking that all people have the linguistic fingerprint?
Probably.

[Anonymous No.10696425]

>>10696369
They're not uncovering brand new secrets of the universe, just military tech a few generations ahead of what is being rolled out to the public.
They're not covering up conspiracies, just tech that will be declassified in 20 years.
You don't get to be the guy in the governments bleeding edge R&D department without being thoroughly vetted for security clearances with all kinds of waivers to your rights you willingly sign over.

[Anonymous No.10696429]

>>10696420
You missed a word there bud.

[Anonymous No.10696430]

>>10696420
>have the linguistic fingerprint
the same linguistic fingerprint*

Need a coffee.

[Anonymous No.10696444]

>>10696425
>They're not uncovering brand new secrets of the universe, just military tech a few generations ahead of what is being rolled out to the public.
>They're not covering up conspiracies, just tech that will be declassified in 20 years.
You forget that corporate secrets are a thing and that a lot of money is involved here to protect their confidential projects.
At the same time, that's why the secret is hard to cover up.

Corporations really suck at keeping things confidential and I have no doubt the government also sucks at this.

[Anonymous No.10696453]

>>10696339
>We waste too much of it on moving things rather than in the production of the things themselves.
Anon. Its not like you process crude oil into JUST one thing, there are so many petroleum products and byproducts created during the refinement process. Gasoline is just the most plentiful product you pull out of a barrel of crude.
What really activated my almonds was that before the internal combustion engine became a ubiquitous thing they tended to just dump out all the gasoline because it wasn't needed.

[Anonymous No.10696474]

>>10696444
>I have no doubt the government also sucks at this.
The B2 had been flying missions long before Bush rolled it out to the press at Wright Patterson AFB during the gulf war because the cold war was dead and you could reveal to the world that you have a heavy bomber that's invisible to conventional radar.
There's a minimum amount of time new things like that remain classified, which is probably a pretty good idea, you compartmentalize what everyone is working on, so no one has the whole picture, and you roll it out strategically away from the cameras.
People would scream their heads off about aliens, or the impending doom of the earth, but a state secret you signed an NDA on, most people would willingly stay quiet about it.

[Anonymous No.10696475]

>>10696453
>What really activated my almonds was that before the internal combustion engine became a ubiquitous thing they tended to just dump out all the gasoline because it wasn't needed.
Huh, real?
That's really funny.

And yes I understand that side of things, but what is the real motivation for petroleum industries? Are they focused on selling products for use in cars or the other products of oil? I would say the former is where most of their profits comes from. They're not thinking about revenue only. They're thinking about how much money they personally and from the perspective of the company as a whole (i.e. mutually with the organisation) get from the use of capital. I would think that oil refined for use in cars is more profitable than other uses of the oil.

[Anonymous No.10696502]

>>10696474
>There's a minimum amount of time new things like that remain classified, which is probably a pretty good idea
I agree, but we're living in an age where everybody seems to hate their system and has a tool at their disposal to reveal the secret of these things with some anonymity.

>you compartmentalize what everyone is working on, so no one has the whole picture, and you roll it out strategically away from the cameras.
While they do this for intelligence operations, I doubt they do this for manufacturing tools for those operations. You need someone observing the whole to make sure that the whole compartmented process works.
The problem with intelligence is that we're now keeping secrets from the head observer - so the whole thing is a clusterfuck.
If we did that with manufacturing, none of the things made would work properly or efficiently. Most issues in manufacturing things is normally because the people specialised in one area did not notify the head observer of the project or did not have the power to do so unless it was "sufficiently urgent or necessary" (i.e. so the main observer doesn't waste their time with nonsensical minor issues). NASA has this problem especially.

>but a state secret you signed an NDA on, most people would willingly stay quiet about it.
There are ethical obligations to whistleblow and right now our state is not listening to that ethical duty. That duty is there for the sake of that system - it needs it.

[Anonymous No.10697943]

I want to fuck a vulcan chick

[Anonymous No.10697972]

anyone see the news about the chinese missile test? the chinese military posted a pic with the caption "do you believe in UFOs?" maybe they are trying to tell us that these UFOs arent aliens after all.

[Anonymous No.10698172]

>>10697972
Link?

[Anonymous No.10698252]

>>10691397

Tell me what the difference is when:
a. The government says UFO's exist with no empirical evidence or explanation to back it up
b. a bum on the street saying UFO's exist with no empirical evidence or explanation to back it up.

Government is literally bum tier and it's no surprise given that the people running it are about as smart as one.
>>10696346
But what is the coin made of? I'm not interested in illusory images that have nothing to do with silver.

>>10695475
>50g turns
>5k mph
>no wings/ignores gravity
>no engines
>doesn’t produce sonic booms
>Do you know what matches the description of an object like this perfectly?

A fucking magnet you massive dipshit. Oops, guess you overlooked that one. (protip:magnets are holographic which is why when you spit them they form more fucking magnets).

>>10696297

>You can create pressure with radiation, yet you never hear people talk about that. Why?\

Because no one on the planet know what magnetism is.

>>10695489
Oh so it's a hologram eh? Care to elaborate what the fuck that even means? How does a hologram have "space", "time", "speed(of light)", and dimensionality?

[Anonymous No.10698940]

>>10691753
>yeah sure these objects have instantaneous hyper-sonic capability and can do 90 turns at these speeds, but obviously you’re a dumb schizo if you think these things are non-human
Either some government is hoarding tech that would solve the climate crisis and allow us to colonize the solar system or some intelligence has been fucking around in our atmosphere for at least 70 years, just as the best researchers have been telling you so that entire time. There is no natural phenomenon or technical malfunctions to explain this stuff, and the only options are left are as scandalous as they are revolutionary. Skeptics are fags that are going to leave it at UFO and dig their heads in the sand over it.

[Anonymous No.10698947]

>>10698940
>There is no natural phenomenon or technical malfunctions to explain this stuff

[Anonymous No.10698986]

>>10698947
The 2004 Nimitz incident was:
1.) Tracked on radar, and was tracked going hyper-sonic in several occasions for long periods of time
2.) Tracked on sonar when an object went into the ocean
3.) Intercepted by two F-18 fighters with all pilots gaining eyes on the objects, confirming that radar was tracking something real, not a technical radar glitch
4.) The objects were filmed via infrared cameras on the interceptors
5.) AEW&C crew tracked and saw the objects as well.
6.) One object almost caused an in air collision with one of the interceptors

It was in no way shape or form a technical glitch on any level. This isn’t even debatable. Can you theorize a natural phenomenon that can go hyper-sonic and go into the ocean? Can you explain why these characteristics completely correspond with your typical UFO sighting where objects totally shit on Newtonian physics?

[Anonymous No.10699028]

>>10698986
>Can you theorize a natural phenomenon that can go hyper-sonic and go into the ocean?
>What natural phenomena has the ability to alter diamagnetic elements?

>Can you explain why these characteristics completely correspond with your typical UFO sighting where objects totally shit on Newtonian physics?

[Anonymous No.10699041]

>>10699028
0/10 at least try

[Anonymous No.10699142]

>>10699041
??? See you're assuming that the object is "traveling" at "super-sonic speed" because you're thinking in terms of what our current technology is capable of. We use engines, turbines..things that move and rotate in order to create torque that transfers to a surface to be conquered. Typically they use fuel or something that burns, a pressure difference must be created somehow. The craft must alter itself to travel, this is a fact. We don't have technology that can do what >>10698986 describes, in fact the methods we use in our technology and the research we've done indeed proves that it could not do these feats without destruction to the craft. So obviously this craft is altering the physicality of what it is traversing, since it itself as a physical object cannot do so.

TL:DR: It doesn't alter itself (as a physical object) to "travel", it "alters" what it's traversing to "travel". It's completely logical and the only way it could function. If you want to travel through water faster then you boil or turn the water into steam, it's still "water" afterall. Or you just move the water out of the way before you go through it. I WONDER IF MAGNETISM IS CAPABLE OF ALTERING WATER OR SOMETHING TO THAT DEGREE. THE WORLD MAY NEVER KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS A MAGNETIC FIELD ITSELF.

However, if you alter the state of something to get somewhere is that really "traveling"?

[Anonymous No.10699219]

>>10698986
>This isn’t even debatable.
What if none of this shit happened and some flyboys and a guy trying to start a space company decided to tell some stories for fun and profit.

[Anonymous No.10699266]

>>10699219
Id say you haven’t don’t 1 minute into research on this. This is military data that’s been openly acknowledged by the pentagon. TTSA is literally a CIA/DOD front company.

https://nypost.com/2019/05/22/the-pentagon-finally-admits-it-investigates-ufos/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Aerospace_Threat_Identification_Program

[Anonymous No.10699278]

>>10699266
Explain to me the leap where "We had a program that we canceled because it was dumb" turns into "these videos are real and of UFOs" the only people who take that position have a bankrupt company and will take any publicity that might dig them out of a hole.

[Anonymous No.10699339]

>>10699278
You are such a coping faggot I hardly don’t know where to begin. There is nothing “dumb” about researching hyper-sonic craft that trolled entire carrier strike groups, the jewel of American might, and got away right off the coast of America. The AATIP program is rumored to still be going on, but is at SAP levels of classification, which is why Luiz Elizondo left in the first place to blow the whistle.

There is nothing fake about these videos. They’re literally straight from the DOD and the pentagon has even admitted this. TTSA released these videos barely two months after their major press release of October 2017, it wasn’t a desperate attempt to get out of bankruptcy, it was the whole point of the company in the first place to release information like this.

These craft are real, people have been seeing these things go hyper-sonic while making impossible maneuvers for decades and now the DOD has released video and radar evidence of this stuff going on.

Fuck off with your shitty cope arguments

https://nypost.com/2019/05/22/the-pentagon-finally-admits-it-investigates-ufos/

[Anonymous No.10699354]

>>10699339
>>>/x/ can't be reasoned with

[Anonymous No.10699359]

>>10699354
Go fuck yourself you brainlet. There’s nothing paranormal about UFOs.

[Anonymous No.10699363]

>>10699359
>There’s nothing paranormal about UFOs.

[Anonymous No.10699370]

>>10699363
>unidentifiable flying objects are paranormal
Are advanced classified aerospace programs paranormal? We’re SR71 sightings once paranormal? Why are you so fucking stupid?

[Anonymous No.10699371]

>>10699370
Were* auto spell jumped in.

[Anonymous No.10699451]

I don’t get why aliens are even being considered. It’s a hyper advanced vehicle that either belongs to the US or another nation.
>muh materialz can’t take teh geez!
Materials we know of cannot. But who knows what R&D groups from super power nations have come up with. When you throw enough money and brain power at a problem with minimal management, youd be pleasantly surprised at what comes out.

[Anonymous No.10699460]

>>10695139
Dont reply to that dude, hes insane and all of his work is worthless crackpot dribble.

Hes basically a physics shitposter

[Anonymous No.10699465]

>>10699451
Awesome, so governments are hoarding tech that would solve the climate crisis and revolutionize space travel. Why does every major super power waste so much money on rocketry if they have tech that has instant hyper-sonic acceleration?

[Anonymous No.10699469]

>>10699465
Sorry, to go any further we would need to be on /x/, so you just have to accept it as fact.

[Anonymous No.10699476]

>>10691397
>Since the U.S. government has more or less admitted these exist
SAUCE NOW

[Anonymous No.10699478]

>>10699469
This place should be renamed to /pseud/

[Anonymous No.10699479]

>>10699465
Because having an ace up your sleeve to kill the other guy when the time is right is more important than openly playing the card to let humanity benefit from it.

[Anonymous No.10699481]

>>10699469
Forgot pic

[Anonymous No.10699483]

>>10699479
Surely you realize how ridiculous that is right, even if it’s true?

[Anonymous No.10699496]

>>10699483
I never said it wasn’t ridiculous. It absolutely is. Which just makes it that much more depressing.

[Anonymous No.10699499]

>>10699496
Kk I totally agree. Geopolitical reality is absolutely insane and self-destructive.

[Anonymous No.10699502]

>>10699499
They don’t call it clown world for nothing anon

[Anonymous No.10699507]

>>10699502
Tru

[Anonymous No.10699512]

Is this thread the culmination of all the recent schizo threads?

[Anonymous No.10699746]

>>10699512
This is the problem. People assign the term schizo-posting to anything that seems remotely unbelievable. Due to this terming, anyone that reads the term schizo-posting unconsciously degrades the quality of the possibly-valid "schizo-post."

Have you read any of the thread retard? There is so much evidence supporting the existence of these UFOs that you would be considered unscientific if you were to ignore it all. Pull your head out of your ass, you'll adapt to the view with time.

[Anonymous No.10699761]

>>10699746
Nothing concrete, all we have is past experiences from ex military officials saying they've seen orbs deactivating nukes in the sky. Now I've heard some guy from Skunkworks that taught in a university saying we don't have the required energy densities to make an engine that can warp space. I heard some scientists claim it's possible but even a few grams of this exotic energy would take I think 40 years of earth's global economic output to afford said amount of substance.

Too much information out there, nobody knows what's true and what isn't.

[Anonymous No.10699775]

>>10691397
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[Anonymous No.10699962]

>>10699465
>climate crisis
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.10699970]

>>10699746
Why the fuck would I read the thread? The whole premise of ufos is incredibly stupid and egocentric. Fuck off schizo >>>/x/

[Anonymous No.10700309]

>>10696185
Everything is HOLOGRAMS.
DO NOT QUESTION IT.

[Anonymous No.10700365]

>>10700309
>everything that behaves like holograms exactly are likely to be holograms exactly.
This seems superior to the assumption aliens did it.

[Anonymous No.10700377]

>>10691740
Considering the digital cameras of a phone can't capture the moon in HD or even birds that high up it's more than obvious that definition on spacecrafts will also get blurry. Nobody has a Canon incorporated into their phone.
Even less definition during at night which is when more sightnings appear.

[Anonymous No.10700380]

>>10699970
Egocentric is your assumption that other species can't have better tech and visit us.

[Anonymous No.10700383]

>>10700377
Would also like to add that most times people usually see only the lights at naked eye, it's a pretty rare thing to witness a full bodied spacecraft

[Anonymous No.10700564]

>>10699761
>all we have is past experiences from ex military officials
WRONG

[Anonymous No.10700820]

>>10699451
I dont think you're fully understanding the level of tech/science thats being showed off here.

We're not talking about a fancy jet that uses efficient propulsion and aoerodynamics to fly relative to the composition of earths atmosphere and gravity; this goes far beyond into the manipulation of physics itself, ignoring and laughing at everything we've tried to achieve with our simple understanding of the universe and how it functions.

The best comparison I can think of is medieval medicine with the idea of "bad air" and plauge doctors, vs modern medical science and germ theory.

[Anonymous No.10701006]

>>10691658
>>10691734

Link? No need to post vid here, but I am not sure which you are talking about.

[Anonymous No.10701011]

>>10700377
>of a phone


He did not mention phone cameras, friendo.

[Anonymous No.10701099]

>>10701011
Phones have more or less killed the digital camera industry. Anybody who owns one generally does not spend all day looking into the sky with it. Not to mention the fact that if these things can bend physics and didnt want their presence known by the general public it certainly wouldn't be.

[Anonymous No.10701692]

>>10691756
I think anything "that you dont know about" is about on the same level. Could be a force of God that you dont know about. Because you dont know about it then it's no more or less probable.

[Anonymous No.10703026]

>>10691397
Source?

[Anonymous No.10703067]

AATIP met with the producer of Above Majestic, #1 on iTunes documentary. Showing off unreleased documents

[Anonymous No.10703080]

>>10691455
Someone could draw a formula but ultimately it's just basic Occam's Razor (yes, I know brainlets hate it because it's true). You don't need ayylmaos to explain UFO's. In fact, if you count in all the variables that could account for a UFO right here on our back yard, and then compare that to the likelihood of them being ayylmao's, you're looking at something like it being a trillion times more likely that UFO's are NOT fucking aliens than the other way around.

This is the problem. Scientifically speaking, statistically speaking, we can with pretty much absolute certainty say that they are not fucking aliens, even if we don't know what the fuck they are. The thought process of believers is akin to random religious zealots. It's based on faith, and the desire to believe. Not in any actual proof. Hence, it's objectively wrong.

[Anonymous No.10703215]

>>10703080
>Scientifically speaking
>Statistically speaking
>absolute certainty
>Hence
>objectively wrong

Scientifically speaking, you are fucking retarded. You need to spend your junior high summer break somewhere other than here.

[Anonymous No.10703241]

>>10703215
Yes, English is my third language so occasionally I do some tautology etc, how many do you speak?

Don't bother answering, it was a rhetorical question. The fact that you were willing to waste my time and yours with the insult of a literal uneducated immigrant 10-yearold, containing no counter argument whatsoever, says everything we need to know about you and your intellect. Get out of /sci, you're too fucking stupid to remain here. And looking at most of the threads here, that's really saying something.

[Anonymous No.10703257]

>>10703241
>You're stupid
>No UR STUPIUD
>You should leave
>NO U SHOULD LEAVE11!!
Okay, retard. That was very clever and definitely not ironic.
>how many do you speak?
Do you think knowing just three languages impresses anyone here? The real question is, how well do you do on that test where you have to put that square block in the round hole? How many crayons have you consumed in the last few months?

[Anonymous No.10703267]

>>10691481
>A big universe has more opportunities for intelligent life to develop than a small one.
But the same density of intelligent life making it the same probability of intelligent life visiting us as a small universe.
Also universe is constantly growing, yet matter stays the same meaning as time goes on its less likely to meet each other.

[Anonymous No.10703281]

>>10703267
Not necessarily. In the distant future, the entire Local Group will have agglomerated into one giant galaxy surrounded by impassable void. This’d make traveling between what was Andromeda and the Milky Way comparatively trivial. Remember, spacetime expansion is only significant on intergalactic scales.