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10628973 No.10628973 [Reply] [Original]

Redpill me on libgen. How based is it and why does no one at uni seem to recognize it's existence? Are they all scared of the glow niggers breaking in their door?

>> No.10628984

>>10628973
Unethical and illegal to steal. Don't bother. Also not HTTPS so your ISP knows. Research papers cost $40 an article. They wait until you've racked up thousands and try to get you to settle for a fraction. Say you get $10k worth of articles, easy to do if dont know what you are looking for, they're happy to settle it for $1000 because they know you're scared shitless and do not have an excuse. That or it goes to court which means you could go to prison. Use your university service. It's free and the right thing to do. If not, go to a library. Do not support Russians or piracy. They want to undermine out institutions.

>> No.10628995

>>10628984
Wrong. Research papers can be infinitely replicated and therefore have no value. They can not be stolen.

>> No.10629001

>>10628995
Study copyright law for three years, Hoss, and then get back to me.

>> No.10629006

>>10628995
If you are correct or not is irrelevant because you'll still get thrown into a jail cell by thugs in blue and assfucked by Tyrone. This is why sovereign citizens are retarded

>> No.10629016

>>10628984
It's not the research articles I'm after. It's the disgustingly overpriced textbooks which are only priced so high because the lecturers and the publishers jerk each other off in a ritual circle jerk every month.

>> No.10629018

>>10628984
Has this ever happened to anyone?

>> No.10629021

>>10629018
Happens all the time. They settle so it doesn't make the news.

>> No.10629026
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>>10629021

>> No.10629036

>>10629001
Copyright is nonsensical cat shit. Ideas aren’t physical things that can be owned.

>> No.10629045

>>10629036
All ownership is nonsensical. How bunch of matter can own bunch of matter?

>> No.10629047

>>10629036
Intellectual property laws exist.
The state enforces the laws.
The state levies charges against those that break them. It doesn't matter if you dislike it. What don't you understand?

>> No.10629070

>>10629045
Wrong.

>>10629047
Don’t recognize those laws to exist, since they are nonsensical.

>> No.10629078

>>10629070
See >>10629006 + >>10628984 to see what happens if you break them, imbecile.

>> No.10629093

>>10629078
Literally nothing happens. Copyright is legally extinct as of the mid 90’s.

>> No.10629106

>>10629093
Copyright and intellectual property is the most lucrative law specialty. Most corporate disputes involve intellectual property. You're wrong and your beliefs do not align with reality. Your posts show mental illness and an inability to reason. Please consult a doctor.

>> No.10629135

>>10628984
I wanted my boots cleaned, not waterlogged. Calm down, goy.

>> No.10629177

>>10628973
Don't post the full name OP, they have shills that scrape the web using regex matching
like this glow in the dark nigger >>10628984

>> No.10629226

>>10629177
What do you mean?

>> No.10629305

>>10629047
why do retards who work for the state fail to understand I do not give a shit about their rules and become hysterical when they think I break their retarded rules?

>> No.10629363

>>10628973
Honestly just use it. It's not scary and there is nothing bad that could happen from it.

>> No.10629724

>>10628973
My calc I professor literally wrote it in the white board and said that everything we need is there and that we don't need to buy books. He said he would deny doing such thing if anyone ratted him.

>> No.10629728

>>10629724
>wrote it on the white board
The website address, I mean.

>> No.10629742

>>10629724
Why the fuck do people do this, the faster everyone knows the faster it's taken down.

IF THEY'RE TOO RETARDED TO GOOGLE DON'T TELL THEM

>> No.10629746

>>10629742
For real, this thread needs to die

>> No.10629749

>>10629001
lmao study prosecutorial discretion. not to mention even in an egregious case a judge would only give probation.

>> No.10629782

>>10628973

very based (every textbook ever published for free levels of based), and yes

src: my own experience

>> No.10629784

>>10629782
So if my classes have new textbooks, I can download them before the semester starts?

>> No.10629935

>>10629177
The site is already very well known and takedown notices are routine.

>> No.10630533

>>10628984
Bullshit. No ISP is going to litigate on behalf of publishers, and the publishers have no way of knowing you're browsing lib.gen unless you use a torrent service.

>> No.10630544

>>10628973
it sucks just enough that no-one cares

>> No.10630578

>>10628973
Here's all you need to know anon.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/wiki/megathread

>> No.10631467

>>10629742
you're actually retarded.
Everyone whose written a textbook knows about it. Everyone who could do anything about it knows about it.
The reason it's not taken down is because they can't take it down without Russia getting involved.

>> No.10631513

>>10629045
this but unironically

>> No.10631548

>>10628984
natural selection for not using TOR and VPN

>> No.10631552

>>10629021
This sounds like debt collector talk about "putting (You) in the big house" for not paying back on a credit card.
Fuck the institutions.

>> No.10631681

>>10628973
I asked a librarian at a college around here and she had never even heard of libgen. She was pretty shocked when she saw the volume it involves.

>> No.10631860

>>10629018

Not really. All they have is an IP address which is usually dynamic and so changes so that doesn't actually prove anything. It's why nobody really gets caught for torrenting nowadays because for one thing the ISP has to give the name which they rarely do and then they have to prove that it was you using the IP which they often can't. If you're really worried just toss on a VPN and things become even more impractical.-

>> No.10631862

>>10628984
I am a published researcher and I get absolutely nothing from my articles while editors rack in millions. Fuck them and fuck this shill, you are on the right side of ethics, go and pirate happily.

>> No.10631990

I have downloaded a bunch of papars which required payment with scihub without protecting my ip and all that shit, am I going to get in trouble? Should I fear for my academic career?

>> No.10632009

>>10631990
probably not, just be safe from now on

>> No.10632032

>>10629078
lol i download books and articles on a daily basis from libgen, nothing has happened. i'm also torrenting whatever. still nothing happens. there is no law in my country against that so it's practically legal. Why would I give $200 for a book i could get free ?

>> No.10632045

>>10628995
A vagina can be infinitely accessed by a penis but still has tremendous value.

>> No.10632046

>>10632045
Not true. Sex has labor value.

>> No.10632078

>>10632046
lmao what a retard

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>>10628984

>> No.10632368

>>10629724
>>10629728
Lmao he’s in his 30s isn’t he

>> No.10632379

>>10628984
>t. McGraw-Hill stockholder

>> No.10632412

>>10631467
Of course it's pretty popular, but the normalfags still buy books which means the professors still make money. They can't fuck with Russia but they can make laws which make it harder to access for no reason

>> No.10632603

>>10628984
Do you have anything to say for yourself, faggot?

>> No.10632621

Hello everyone,

Yes. I am a big fan of the Elsevier platform of digital access, and subscription based programs which will be here in the near future.
Yes. They're soon planning on rolling out a verified tier system.

- No degree ~ $5/month for unlimited articles
- In College ~ Free if your university signed up for it
- College Grad - $20/month, or $50/month for commercial purposes
- Postgraduate - Pricing plans vary from $10 to $150 a month

Also, wethey're are considering free access for high school students. Isn't it cool when great things happen. Unfortunately, the publishing industry is under attack, which means high quality research articles will soon come to an end. This is very alarming in an era of fake news, where qualtiy Peer-Reviewed Journals are the only way of making heads and tails. Anyways, I'm a real chatter, I know. Enough about this. What's everyone's favorite beverage here?

>> No.10632660

> What's everyone's favorite beverage here?

Your mom's piss.

>> No.10632664

>>10632621
>quality peer-reviewed articles.
Quite honestly, it all needs to die a horrible and bloody death. It's all a fake load of bullshit made by pathetic physics and math grads who have nothing better to do with their time because they chose a meme degree. They're all desperately trying to trick some poor engineering firm into giving them sheckels to make up bullshit so they just lie about half the shit they publish.

>> No.10632669

>>10632621
can't tell if ironyfag or just incredibly sad

>> No.10632692

>>10629106
most lawsuits are not even done by the people who actually write the articles and do the research, but by leeching parasites that monopolize the work of others for a service they do not provide. fuck publishers and their useless existence, the intellectual property they claim as theirs is stolen in the first place.

>> No.10632705

>>10632078
never paid for a nice dinner, huh?

>> No.10633281

>>10628984
shill

>> No.10633317

>>10630533
> No ISP is going to litigate on behalf of publishers
Yet.
Enjoy your dwindling "freedom" while you can, punks. You will see that laws have consequences.

>> No.10633338

>>10628973
libgen is what the internet should have been, the world wide library. Most academics aren't aware of it because if you're in academia, everything just works: they have no involvement in the financing of research journals. Most of them have no idea how much money universities pump into these companies. You should see how furious professors get if their access to important journals gets cut off. When profs learn about this kind of stuff, often they want to help.

Keep in mind that the $40 article charge is complete bullshit. If you write a professor asking for a copy of their paper, they will usually send you it for free. (the same amount they and the reviewers were paid)

>> No.10633347

>>10629724
math professors are so based

>> No.10633405
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10633405

>>10628984
Kys shill.
Don't listen to this guy.

>> No.10633409

>>10632621
Kys.

>> No.10633413

>>10633405
>>10633409
You're in Elsevier country, bucko. Need a safespace for libgen, then return from whence thou reddit.

>> No.10633418

>>10633413
You're making the ghost of Aaron Schwartz cry, you ignorant prick

>> No.10633448

>>10632621
>Elsevier's lowering their prices and trying to capture the youth in a frantic bid to stop enraging their entire customer base.

You know what the problem with America is? Middlemen. Mediocre business graduate dipshits whose idea of a great idea is to take somebody's hard work and slap a toll on it. Elsevier is nothing but a billion-dollar bridge troll. And I'll dance like a maniac the day we finally put an axe in its ugly back and force assholes like you to actually contribute something positive to society.

>> No.10633457

>>10633338
The internet should have been a boring, shit-tier interface with books that download at 100 KB/s?

That's gonna be a MAJOR YIKES from me.

You keep your communist shit, I'll keep my modern internet where people are allowed to sale shit. Yeah, so what if they want $20 an article. DUMBASSes wouldnt have articles if they didnt oh what cost money. we wouldnt have porn.
we wouldnt have games. money makes the world go around, get over it.

libgen is some guy from the 1800s conception of internet. if you want ye old slow internet, and literally nothing to do but read stupid books go ahead. i'd rather have steam, pornhub, and paid academic articles. kill yourself you stupid commie incel. you can take the internet from my cold dead hands before it turns into your russian 'contraption' known as libgen.

>> No.10633490

>>10628973
I personally know a person that has used libgen for years.

In 3 years of university study it has saved an anon many hundreds of dollars. Anons may feel emboldened to use things such as libgen because text book companies are a fucking racket. Their entire business model is coercing students to buy 'newer and therefore, better' textbooks.

>> No.10633506

>>10633457
>pornhub
their whole business model is deniable copyright violation. Not only are you stupid and gross, you're a hypocrite.

>> No.10633517

>>10628984
>Unethical
Wrong. Gating knowledge is unethical, moreso when the knowledge you're gating was gained from someone else, as is the case with textbooks. If you feel bad about "stealing" the 0.5$ (if even that) provision from the authors, you can donate them directly by other means.
>illegal
Not in first world countries. Even in burgerland, good luck with your case against sci-hub users.
>Use your university service. It's [...] the right thing to do
No, supporting clueless retards in journals who don't even do their job (peer-review) most of the time is not the right thing to do. The right thing to do is read the article and spread the knowledge.

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10633528

>>10633413
>t. Amerimingrel.

>> No.10633531

>>10633517
>If you feel bad about "stealing" the 0.5$ (if even that) provision from the author
I'm all for stealing textbooks, but you should understand that the authors actually make quite a lot from those deals. James Stewart built a $32 million Integral House with the profits from his Calculus textbook.
The thing is, these guys are almost as crooked as the publishing companies. They happily churn out new editions with slightly different problem sets to force students into buying new books year after year. Many of them aggressively promote their work through department chairs, forcing professors to use teaching material they would never choose. They are complicit and deserve to get ripped off.

>> No.10633546

>search for interesting books on a subject
>find some that have good ratings
>get them from libgen
>organize neatly in hard drive
>read the contents and maybe a few pages
>close the reader, forget they exist, and never read them again
help

>> No.10633547

>>10631548
this

>> No.10633549

>>10631990
yes, for being a fucking idiot

>> No.10633592

>>10633531
I'm guessing the accreditation boards are in on this shit too. Their standards are usually just "spend more money on everything."

>> No.10633596

>>10633546
Buy new hard drive.

>> No.10633634

>>10633592
I don't know of any scheme like that at the college level, but there is major political involvement in approving high school textbooks. I think California and Texas are the two big hubs for this, and some matters even reach the state legislature.

>> No.10633647

>>10633549
I think a real idiot would have payed hundreds of dollars to access those papers anon

>> No.10633649

>>10633647
he's calling him an idiot for thinking downloading shit through sci-hub is gonna get him in trouble

>> No.10633713

>>10633649
Thank god. So scihub is 100% safe? No one got in trouble for using it right?
And what if I need to cite a paper which is under a pay wall? Will they know I torrented it since they won't get any money from me?

>> No.10633728

>I get taxed so that Universities can do research
>publisher gets paid by the university to review the research
>researchers at other universities do the reviewing for free
>researchers whose salary is also paid with my taxes
>want to read an article
>PAY US 40 DOLLARS, YOU'RE NOT A COMMIE, ARE YOU?!
Publishing is a rotten business and we should get rid of it and just pour money into arxiv so that they get their shit together and properly review what is sent.

>> No.10633771

>>10631860
say it with me team "My wifi doesn't have a password because my friends are always over. I do notice that it's often slow even though I pay for a fast connection"

>> No.10634248

Many professors at my uni's math department use libgen regularly for books that aren't provided by our subscriptions, or even simply to skim through them before buying a physical copy.
>>10633531
>the authors actually make quite a lot from those deals. James Stewart built a $32 million Integral House with the profits from his Calculus textbook.
That's only the case for those 10 oddballs who author freshman mathematics books. Book and journal publishing is a very very niche market and most of the money they get is from research grants, which is exactly why they can afford to have those ridiculous prices.
>>10633713
>And what if I need to cite a paper which is under a pay wall? Will they know I torrented it since they won't get any money from me?
They aren't specifically after you, chill.

>> No.10636122

>>10634248
That depends very much on where in the world you are.

>> No.10636142

>>10633517
>Wrong. Gating knowledge is unethical, moreso when the knowledge you're gating was gained from someone else, as is the case with textbooks. If you feel bad about "stealing" the 0.5$ (if even that) provision from the authors, you can donate them directly by other means.
We wouldn't have peer-reviewed publishing.
Your method is how we get fake news.
>Not in first world countries. Even in burgerland, good luck with your case against sci-hub users.
You got that backward, Buck.
Third world countries do not have copyright laws and intellectual property. That is why they are so chaotic.
Intellectual property is the bedrock of civilization.
>No, supporting clueless retards in journals who don't even do their job (peer-review) most of the time is not the right thing to do. The right thing to do is read the article and spread the knowledge.
The entire peer-reviewed industry wouldn't exist if you had your way.

>> No.10636243

>>10636142
>We wouldn't have peer-reviewed publishing
Wrong again. See pubpeer. Also check pubpeer to see how "good" the quality of publisher peer-review really is. In short: as if it wasn't there at all, including high impact journals.
>fake news
That's on your own retardation that you don't check facts yourself. If it's a paper outside your field, let it be judged by people who actually work actively in the field, not some anonymous figure that might not even work in the field.
>You got that backward, Buck.
Only in third world countries is it possible to get sued for "stealing" research papers. Not even in burgerland would that fly. Feel free to try though.
>The entire peer-reviewed industry wouldn't exist if you had your way.
Again, wrong. Actual peers would review the research as needed, not some anonymous "peer" that doesn't even work in the field. Many instances of journals sending papers from completely unrelated fields to someone for review.
Not to mention the quality of the review even if it gets to be done by someone in the field - many proffessors offload that work to their grads, who then half-ass it, if they read it at all.
My model works better, just because the number of published fake papers revealed by pubpeer is greater than zero.

>> No.10636257

>>10636243
Let's unpack this. Hold on. It's almost as if that's like some fringe site? Might look good but please, no self-respecting scientist would publish there but from hobbiest material. Without these sites, it would be harder for real scientists to secure research. Just let that sink in. This reeks of Russian disinformation. Pretty biased to take this big of an interest in all this if you ask me. What do you need papers for? Just want to look at them, bub? I think your not a real scientist. You're a shill for Russian government funded Libgen which wants to rip apart US educational institutions. We're ahead right now dipshit because of our intellectual superiority and you want to destroy the system that built everything. Literally shaking my head rn at your bullshit.

>> No.10636274

>>10628984
>what is tor: the post

>> No.10636280

>>10631467
>Russia
more like the (based) Netherlands

>> No.10636336

>>10628984
Libgen doesn't have articles, dingus. It has books.
Scihub is the one with articles.

>> No.10636391

>>10636257
>no self-respecting scientist would publish there
It's not a publishing platform. It's a peer-review platform. With proper peer review, not the publisher "let's pretend".
Also, plenty of self-respecting (and widely-respected-among-peers) scientist publish primarily on open access sites like arxiv.
>Without these sites, it would be harder for real scientists to secure research.
Virtually no money from publishers gets invested back into research - unis pay more to publishers than they get back. Just see what RELX is spending their money on.
>Pretty biased to take this big of an interest in all this if you ask me.
Pretty biased to defend the mechanisms behind the obscene levels of academic dishonesty, if you ask me. Are you perhaps one of those benefiting from shoddy peer-review?
>What do you need papers for?
Research and reproducing their results, if it seems suspicious.
>You're a shill for Russian government funded Libgen which wants to rip apart US educational institutions.
Neither libgen, nor sci-hub is funded by Putin. In fact it was blocked in Russia.
>We're ahead right now dipshit because of our intellectual superiority and you want to destroy the system that built everything.
You mean *our* intellectual superiority. You were bunch of clueless retards before you imported the brainpower from yuropoor.
And as for Russia and their intellect, they kept up with you in the space race despite their completely shit economic and the scientists getting gulag'd daily. I wouldn't write them off just yet.

>> No.10636428

>>10636257
Lmao have you ever published or gotten a grant? Grants come from the government mainly. Publishers give nothing back. They don't even pay the referees. Oh wait
>Let's unpack this
you're a troll

>> No.10636618

>>10632368
I'm not doxxing him, sorry.

>> No.10636650

>>10636618
It's alright, you can doxx me.

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>>10636650

>> No.10636658

>>10628984
t. (((Elsevier)))

>> No.10636669

>>10632621
>In College ~ Free if your university signed up for it

Is not really free, since University is gonna charge it back to the students through tuition. Instead of improving the infrastructure or food at the cafeteria they will spend lots of money paying a bunch of merchants who act as middlemen/parasites.

>> No.10636751

>>10634248
Virtually all academic authors care about (you)s rather than actual dollars. Citations count, royalties don't.

>> No.10636853

>>10628984
Wikipedia quotes articles behind pay walls. I read the Wikipedia article to gain knowledge from the article without paying for it. Is that unethical?

The publishing industry can get fucked. They're shitty leeches whose entire business model is to profit off of other people's work. I understand that it takes a lot of work to put together a textbook or a scientific article. But the people who do that work don't see much of the profits. And if the original discoverer is already long gone, it's rediculous to make that argument. The fact that textbooks are so expensive and new editions are pumped out every year shows this is just a leech tier industry that rips off already indebted college students.

>> No.10636886

>>10632621
excellent bait

>> No.10637010

>>10633338
>If you write a professor asking for a copy of their paper, they will usually send you it for free.
That's illegal. The author transfers copyright to the journal.

>> No.10637017

>>10637010
Stop lying, there is no way reality is this fucked up.

>> No.10637686

>>10637017
He's not really lying, but these days it's more common that the researcher licenses his work to the journal, instead of transfering copyright - only the jewest of the journals still require you to transfer copyright.
Once again, you can thanks sites like arxiv for improving the shitty state of publishing.

>> No.10637690

You wouldn't download a book.

>> No.10637696

>>10628973
Every single person uses libgen. I don't think you can function without it.

>> No.10637697

>>10637690
I wouldn't steal one, so I wouldn't download one in not in the public domain. Right.

>> No.10637699

>>10637690
i pirate all my books

>> No.10637702

Unironically, the guys who maintain libgen and scihub are probably amongst the highest current contributors to scientific progress.
Probably have more positive impact than any single Noble laureate.
Truly unsung heroes.