/spaceflight/: Apollo autism edition

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/spaceflight/: Apollo autism edition Anonymous Wed Mar 13 21:46:55 2019 No.10465364 [Reply] [Original]

I made a thing. ITT talk space.

-Will the Chinese conquer the far side of the Moon?
-What data on Ultima Thule is pending?
-What is Musk doing?
-Will Richard Branson take his high-altitude flight and come back alive?
-Quiz: which spacecraft was launched without a crew, but returned to Earth with one?

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 21:51:23 2019 No.10465376

>nasa getting lots of funding
>military space getting lots of funding
>sls getting canceled so nasa can get to the moon faster
Alot of this is due to the China scare surrounding their space programs. It looks like we finally got a new space race that everyone was hoping for.

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 21:51:47 2019 No.10465378

>>10465370
IIRC at the speeds a rocket travels at a raindrop hitting it could cause some serious damage if it hits a sensitive component.

Or maybe I'm thinking of just the Space Shuttle and it's tiles.

Plus lightning isn't good, should be avoided during a launch.

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 21:53:21 2019 No.10465385
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There's another possibility we may not be considering about EM-1. Looking at budget figures, Orion may not actually be ready for manned operations at all until as far out as 2023. NASA may go full-bore and cut Orion out of the plans entirely. What would they replace Orion with? Well, the Dragon 2 was built with possible lunar missions in mind. Let's say that NASA is flipping the table, and intends to take CCDev to another level. How might you do that?

Have two Falcon 9's set up, one with crew dragon on Pad 39A, and another with a super-stretched second stage plus nosecone at LC-40. They launch, and the super-stretched F9's second stage pops off to reveal a docking adapter. They dock in LEO, and the extra fuel capacity in the extra-long second stage is sufficient for a lunar free return trajectory (or maybe even orbital insertion and return).

Does anyone have any ideas about how Boeing/ULA might do this with CST-100 and Atlas V?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 21:54:30 2019 No.10465389 >>10465385 correction >and the super-stretched F9's second stage's nosecone pops off to reveal a docking adapter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 21:55:30 2019 No.10465392 File: 24 KB, 1000x647, SpaceX Starship - Super Heavy block 1 by Reese Wilson.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ugliest rocket ever designed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 21:56:12 2019 No.10465394 >>10465376 More like, lot of this is because SLS keeps delaying further and further. AND political reasoning such as wanting a good news just before re-election season.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 21:56:58 2019 No.10465396 >>10465385 Orion might still be used simply because it can be remade to be launcher agnostic. >>10465392 Who cares as long as it's functional.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 21:58:37 2019 No.10465401 >>10465392 most functional rocket ever designed

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:02:02 2019 No.10465405 >no new hopper photos darn

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:02:21 2019 No.10465406

>>10465396
Yeah, but Orion has cost something like $1.35 billion per year for the past two years
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(spacecraft)
I think NASA just might be reconsidering that level of spending on a single capsule, especially if it's still not ready to even support astronauts if you launched it tomorrow.

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:03:42 2019 No.10465407
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>>10465376
We'll be damned if another country especially Chyna lands humans on the moon first before us, especially after all the bullshit and flak NASA has gotten for years about the moon landing hoax, what better way to stick it to the conspiritards and show other nation's who's boss of the moon by landing there again before everyone else.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:04:21 2019 No.10465411 >>10465385 NASA should cut itself entirely >>10465392 You're right, it's nothing without U N I T E D S T A T E S

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:04:47 2019 No.10465413

>>10465406
You have a point, but I strongly doubt that NASA will shift to Dragon 2 because then that would mean that one company has a monopoly on crewed spaceflight to the Moon. ULA would have to either refit Starliner to be Moon capable or make a new capsule before NASA would consider Dragon 2.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:05:09 2019 No.10465417 >>10465364 Doesn't soyuz have that capability?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:05:40 2019 No.10465419 File: 1.23 MB, 1280x1280, saturn_v_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10465411 this

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:05:55 2019 No.10465420 File: 2.94 MB, 376x270, SaturnV_launch.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10465411 U S A

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:06:04 2019 No.10465421 >>10465364 the other general hasn't been filled yet. Damn gacha game posters.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:06:04 2019 No.10465422 >>10465417 If you are referring to the quiz question: you're getting warm...

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:07:53 2019 No.10465426 File: 630 KB, 960x1200, nxed8m2ruzaxd5duukff.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:08:10 2019 No.10465428 >>10465413 That's a good point, NASA will want the second vehicle option. I suspect if they do bring SpaceX into manned lunar operations, a contract renegotiation will be in order with Lockheed to get costs under control.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:08:53 2019 No.10465431 >>10465421 it’s your fault for giving in and joining the new thread lol But yeah OP quit it

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:09:04 2019 No.10465433 You idiots, Bridestine himself said he wants EM-2 to be SLS and Orion but wants no delays on July 2020 EM-1 that's why he's open to non-SLS launch

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:09:16 2019 No.10465435 >>10465364 That quiz question is killing me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:09:53 2019 No.10465437 File: 93 KB, 960x1142, 5a7aa456cdab5fb8038b4938-960-1142.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10465426 how the mighty have fallen...

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:11:24 2019 No.10465439 >>10465437 How does this thing not tip over?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:11:26 2019 No.10465440 >>10465435 Salyut 7?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:12:23 2019 No.10465446 >>10465439 You mean in flight? Or just standing on the pad?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:13:19 2019 No.10465449 >>10465439 Long penis

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:14:13 2019 No.10465453 >>10465440 Didn't it crash into the ocean unmanned?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:14:28 2019 No.10465454 >>10465439 Well its grounded in solid foundation. Little wind wont blow it over. Every patriotic American has one in their front yard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:14:35 2019 No.10465455 >>10465439 It does like half the time

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:15:30 2019 No.10465460 >>10465454 kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:17:38 2019 No.10465462 >>10465453 One of the Soyuz missions to it

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:17:56 2019 No.10465463 >>10465454 Let's see if this works... https://krikienoid.github.io/flagwaver/#?src=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2Fthumb%2Fa%2Fa4%2FFlag_of_the_United_States.svg%2F1280px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:21:37 2019 No.10465468 File: 40 KB, 320x320, 1439347840873.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10465463

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:23:51 2019 No.10465473 >>10465468 What does reddit have to do with this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:26:45 2019 No.10465480 Aha! the answer to the quiz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_4

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:27:21 2019 No.10465483 File: 59 KB, 1758x800, solar radius.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Human beings have never traveled one solar radius away from Earth.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:28:53 2019 No.10465487 >>10465473 because you're a retarded newfag who thinks typing in the url to your comment will link the media at least you didnt redditspace it though

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:29:11 2019 No.10465488 >>10465480 No. As the article clearly states, one man was aboard on the way up. And no, the question was not posed with any "plural" trickery: by "crew" I meant any human presence whatever, whether one or more people.

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:30:01 2019 No.10465490

>>10465364
>Apollo autism edition

Does anyone actually steer conversations to this shit to anyone who will listen? Have you gotten the whole family immersed? Do your colleagues excuse themselves from the conversation when someone says the magic words "rocket" or "moon?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome#Restricted_and_repetitive_interests_and_behavior

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:31:31 2019 No.10465493 >>10465488 oh I see, not just crew transfer but no crew-crew transfer

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:31:36 2019 No.10465494

>>10465487
>because you're a retarded newfag who thinks typing in the url to your comment will link the media
I didn't think this. I was worried that the website wouldn't show the flag that I wanted it to wave. That post was the first time I linked that website in that way.

>at least you didnt redditspace it though
What's "redditspace"?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:33:48 2019 No.10465498 >>10465490 ouch

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:36:32 2019 No.10465501

>>10465494

So-called "reddit spacing" is when you separate paragraphs by full breaks. It is a good way to format posts on text fora. Despite being an intrinsically good style choice, 4chan users have taken to incorrectly hating it over the past five years (particularly on /tv/) because the practice is associated with reddit.

t. guy who has used 4chan on a daily basis since its beginning and who has spent under 12 lifetime hours using reddit, and who will continue "reddit spacing" to spite all the stupid faggot zoomers

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:36:47 2019 No.10465502 >>10465494 >What's "redditspace"? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6uKrU_WqJ1R2HMTY3LIx5Q

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:39:03 2019 No.10465507 >>10465501 Thank you for your explanation. I was half expecting someone to call me a newfag and not explain anything. >>10465502 I've never seen any of his videos in full so I don't know his connection with reddit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:39:23 2019 No.10465508 >>10465487 Well how the fuck else do you expect him to do it then? By the way, you probably should have 'Linkify URLs' enabled in the settings.

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:41:18 2019 No.10465509

>>10465501
>So-called "reddit spacing" is when you separate paragraphs by full breaks. It is a good way to format posts on text fora. Despite being an intrinsically good style choice, 4chan users have taken to incorrectly hating it over the past five years (particularly on /tv/) because the practice is associated with reddit.
The difference between paragraphs and reddit spacing is that paragraphs have more than one sentence.

>>10465507
>I was half expecting someone to call me a newfag and not explain anything.
It's called lurk moar. And spoon-feeding.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:42:26 2019 No.10465512 >>10465509 can we please fucking talk about space oh my god people

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:43:39 2019 No.10465516 >>10465488 I figured it out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_34

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:44:08 2019 No.10465518 >>10465509 Funny, your definition has more in common with greentexts. >>10465501 So in other words: ITT A newfag thinking he's an oldfag

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:45:18 2019 No.10465522
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>>10465512
Agreed.

What are your all's opinion on the future of the ISS? Do you think that it'll be "saved" for future use? Such as in-orbit-assembly of deep space missions? Or do you think that it will be left to burn up?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:46:24 2019 No.10465527 >>10465522 disassemble it and return the chunks in starships then literally hand it over a football field for once

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:46:40 2019 No.10465528

>congress coming out against the space force because it's too expensive
what the fuck am i reading? the trump proposal is the cheapest they can get. it's only a few million dollars more than what we pay now. to me this reads like certain members of congress aren't getting their pork so they're going to throw a hissy fit until they get it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:46:52 2019 No.10465529 >>10465522 We should utilize it as a Mars transport vehicle, slightly reconfigure and strap on a transport booster.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:47:41 2019 No.10465530 >>10465522 disassemble it and return the chunks in starships then literally hang it over a football field for once

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:48:54 2019 No.10465535 >>10465528 >certain members of congress aren't getting their pork so they're going to throw a hissy fit until they get it. That's the SLS story in it's entirety.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:49:57 2019 No.10465538 >>10465516 Correct!

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:51:45 2019 No.10465541 >>10465538 we need more bakers like you

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:51:53 2019 No.10465542 >>10465528 It's the same reason they're against The Wall. Trump wants it, so their TDS won't let them allow it, even if they spoke out in favor of it three years ago.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:54:59 2019 No.10465548 >>10465530 Yeah, if cargo starships are running bringing at least the modules and central pieces of the truss back as a museum exhibit is a solid idea. The unused/demo/training Skylab at the Smithsonian is awesome.

Anonymous Wed Mar 13 22:55:35 2019 No.10465549

>>10465522
It's kinda neat for certain instruments (can't wait for GEDI data), due to its ephemeris. Would be a shame to see it go, but I guess the price tag is a bit too steep just to have some funky observation geometries.

I'd love to see a smaller station purely designed for EO instrument hosting - just imagine what you could do with a dozen instruments doing co-located measurements.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 23:14:50 2019 No.10465592 File: 2.99 MB, 800x1026, THIS IS WHY ORION & SLS SUCK.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] OH NOOOOOOOO NOT THE CONTRACTORS WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CONTRACTORS

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 23:22:32 2019 No.10465614 >>10465592 Jesus christ. No wonder why it'll never fucking fly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 23:28:11 2019 No.10465632 >>10465592 Fucking hell

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 23:32:31 2019 No.10465640 >>10465592 >Alabama >Texas >California >Florida >Louisiana All literal nigger tier states.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 23:35:43 2019 No.10465648 >>10465592 Where did you find this list? I'd like to see it without someone scrolling so fast that they could get ticketed by the cyber police.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 23:36:24 2019 No.10465649 >>10465648 https://www.nasa.gov/specials/ESDSuppliersMap/

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 23:42:02 2019 No.10465662 >>10465592 Well - it's not like the endeavour is to bake a cake here. But I guess the 5 primes know who they are subcontracting, and it probably comprises everything from pencils, over gyroscopes, to catering supplies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 23:43:14 2019 No.10465664 >>10465662 I bet you're right. Somewhere in there is the source of their offices' janitorial supplies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 23:45:27 2019 No.10465666 File: 9 KB, 302x30, 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10465664 still...

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 23:48:52 2019 No.10465668 >>10465666 Offices need lightbulbs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 23:49:21 2019 No.10465670 File: 4 KB, 816x43, hmm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10465666 (checked) hmmm

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 23:51:05 2019 No.10465675 >>10465666 >>10465668 I'm going to have to agree here, Satan. Sometimes you just need more light bulbs, or even paint for minor renovations to an office.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 23:51:45 2019 No.10465676 >>10465670 Cabela's is also in there

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 23:52:43 2019 No.10465678 >>10465675 Don't forget about the pitchforks to poke the unpaid interns with.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 23:54:30 2019 No.10465679 >>10465676 The astronauts have to be prepared for Moon Bison.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 23:56:01 2019 No.10465683 Let's be reasonable here, even if they are supplying lightbulbs every additional contractor adds a leak to the leaky mess of money, competency and accountability It's ridiculous

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 13 23:56:03 2019 No.10465684 >>10465592 wtf I hate all government now

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 00:05:25 2019 No.10465698 File: 73 KB, 1000x666, 20170217_bridenstine.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Describe this guy using a single word.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 00:05:59 2019 No.10465701 >>10465698 Bridenstine

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 00:06:21 2019 No.10465702 >>10465698 CUSTOMERS

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 00:08:53 2019 No.10465708 >>10465698 Based.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 00:10:57 2019 No.10465713 File: 26 KB, 597x597, 1498090459413.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10465698 NASA Presents: The FRANK of BRIDENSTINE

Anonymous Thu Mar 14 00:13:24 2019 No.10465717

>>10465683
>Let's be reasonable here, even if they are supplying lightbulbs every additional contractor adds a leak to the leaky mess of money, competency and accountability

Ehhh. Not really. It makes things more traceable, but obviously - big projects get messy. Rather than swiping everything under the rug, the big 5 have contracts with Home Depot to supply lightbulbs when needed. This way, the purchase of any lightbulb is going through the contract, rather than than through a single purchase. And makes getting new lightbulbs obviously simpler and more efficient, since you don't need to glue thousands of Home Depot receipts onto sheets of paper and then convince NASA auditors that all these were really for lightbulbs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 00:19:04 2019 No.10465728 >>10465698 Limp.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 00:24:25 2019 No.10465741 >>10465698 Fucking Bridenstine. Who would've thought that some random climate change denying dude from the middle of nowhere would be a Godsend for NASA.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 00:36:19 2019 No.10465766 >>10465698 overrated

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 00:44:45 2019 No.10465783 >>10465741 >https://www.apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0 hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I do wonder, could something be wrong with the starting assumptions for the models?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 00:52:26 2019 No.10465792 File: 401 KB, 775x435, 76586357573.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10465698 >Diet Mountain Dew INTO THE TRASH

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:06:50 2019 No.10465818 >>10465378 >>10465370 Rain in Florida usually means thunderstorms, which have lightning (bad), ice pellets/icing conditions(bad) and wind sheer(bad).

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:13:56 2019 No.10465825 >>10465668 >>10465675 How many subcontractors does it take to change a lightbulb?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:15:16 2019 No.10465830 >>10465825 I'd reckon one per building / campus.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:16:01 2019 No.10465831 >>10465825 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:16:48 2019 No.10465836 File: 42 KB, 679x509, D0uzFILX0AAaPFb.jpg small.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This triggers the Americans.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:18:39 2019 No.10465839 >>10465836 How so? It might actually encourage Congress to take spaceflight seriously again.

Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:20:43 2019 No.10465845
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>>10465836
Chink, you have a LOT to fucking catch up on today if just one little fucking rocket is going to ruffle our breeches.
NASA's Administrator JUST FUCKING SMACKED-DOWN THE ENTIRE SLS PROGRAM ASIDE FROM A FEW CARGO MISSIONS.
AN ENTIRE LUNAR FREE-RETURN MISSION MAY FLY, HELL OR HIGH WATER, BY JUNE 2020

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:25:50 2019 No.10465855 File: 665 KB, 1024x644, 5157168425_f20c992f72_b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] BIG

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:26:40 2019 No.10465861 File: 57 KB, 422x609, pibble.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10465836 Why is it floating in space with its boosters? Why is the moon potato shaped?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:35:11 2019 No.10465877 >>10465861 When they say it's three stage to orbit, they MEANT all three stages.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:35:40 2019 No.10465878 File: 884 KB, 1865x1441, FH_engines.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10465855 >three shy, and are all in one stage Computers are i m p o r t a n t.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:37:18 2019 No.10465883 ...I hope nobody bites my head off by linking this here. It's very related to OP >>10465856

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:37:41 2019 No.10465885 >>10465878 They also flew like, 500 merlins without incident before ever launching FH.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:39:00 2019 No.10465889 >>10465883 Oops, meant to reply directly to OP. FOR SCIENCE AND CIVILIZATION >>10465635

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:39:08 2019 No.10465890 >>10465883 >admitting to ban evasion Reported. Also, I was the one who got your last celebrity worship thread deleted. Enjoy you're ban. :)

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:43:38 2019 No.10465899 >>10465890 I wasn't "worshiping" anyone, you misguided fool. And no one banned me anyways, it was a kosher thread about space colonization. Fuck off, jew.

Anonymous Thu Mar 14 01:43:50 2019 No.10465900

>>10465885
That helps, definitely. Musk's dream right now seems less getting to Mars and more proving that you can build a rocket engine as safe as an aviation turbine engine.
It's a very worthy goal, and if he pulls it off he's going to be rich enough to own a moon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 04:14:27 2019 No.10466074 >>10465592 lol is that real? source?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 04:16:43 2019 No.10466078 >>10466074 nwm source was posted

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 04:18:50 2019 No.10466082 >>10465649 SLS actually has the smallest numbers of the suppliers from the three. Why the fuck does Orion have so many different suppliers though?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 04:51:24 2019 No.10466122 >>10465900 which one? they're in pretty short supply locally

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 04:52:32 2019 No.10466124 >>10465900 Rocket engines aren't the issue when it comes to reusability.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 05:03:25 2019 No.10466140 >>10466124 What is then mr rocket scientist?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 05:04:58 2019 No.10466144 >>10466140 I am actually a graduate student in aeronautics, so you are not wrong.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 05:08:32 2019 No.10466146 >>10466144 >Graduate student in aeronautics Hahahaha Ok well enlighten us with your high quality opinion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 05:10:58 2019 No.10466149 >>10466146 You already have formed an opinion, so no.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 05:12:52 2019 No.10466151 >>10466149 What a high quality argument.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 05:21:47 2019 No.10466165 >>10466149 >I am smart and U r dum

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 05:51:12 2019 No.10466200 File: 71 KB, 560x560, 6df3d283d73e24f3d8c21de3f4111909.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10466149 oh, okay then

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 07:17:02 2019 No.10466312 >>10466149 shit man tell us now I want to know

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 08:18:25 2019 No.10466402 >>10466149 you are in public forum, even if he made up his mind there are still people like me curious to learn and want to hear your argument. also >flexing your education instead of providing argument. something tells me you won't even respond

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 10:00:58 2019 No.10466556 File: 3.35 MB, 4045x3528, E95D5BC5-C7A3-4961-B99A-46C1DB6B48B8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] More panels

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 10:21:05 2019 No.10466581 >>10465392 She's awesome. I bet you like the giant white whale look of the first BFR project right ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 10:49:28 2019 No.10466617 >>10465878 >So many engines Thats just sexy

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 10:51:43 2019 No.10466620 >>10466556 This is going to be hopper V2.0.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 11:05:21 2019 No.10466641 The planned lunar gateway station will establish US dominance over the moon. China cannot compete.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 11:05:39 2019 No.10466644 Orion is sinking alongside the sls. No commercial vehicles will save it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 11:14:55 2019 No.10466667 >>10466581 looks like retrofuturistic rocket designed on sci-fi from 60's. i personally love it, though the composite design looked better imo

Anonymous Thu Mar 14 11:16:49 2019 No.10466673

>>10465522
When ISS is finally decommissioned it should be boosted to a higher orbit and stored there as a legacy for future generations. Maybe it can be brought back to Earth and put in a museum sometime in the future when space transport is more routine and much cheaper.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 12:09:46 2019 No.10466786 >>10466620 no double hull for the cooling. No gradual metal thickness taper. So probably not an orbital test article, just higher hops with more engines

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 12:25:13 2019 No.10466830 >>10466786 Which is just hopper V2 lol, the orbital version isn't going to be called a hopper

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 12:27:45 2019 No.10466834 >>10466620 Why Hopper 2? isn't this the replacement of the cone that fell down?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 12:30:22 2019 No.10466840 >>10466834 the hopper is already at the hop site Plus the top of the dome is already cladded

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 12:35:59 2019 No.10466850 >>10466834 Probably as a spare in case the first one blew up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 12:37:23 2019 No.10466853 >>10466834 Saw few pictures of welders working on things that look more like tank domes than the pointy end of a nosecone. If any suspicious holes or attachments appear on the water tower in the coming week or two we'll know for sure what it is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 12:43:52 2019 No.10466863 >>10466840 Ah I really wanted to see the hopper fly with its cone

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 13:05:38 2019 No.10466917 >a year from now we could see a Falcon Heavy and Delta IV Heavy launching from Cape Canaveral within hours of each other to send a spacecraft to the Moon no way it happens

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 13:11:31 2019 No.10466934 >>10466556 >literally building a spaceship out of junk and spare parts just like in an old scifi novel You know Elon Musk is going to fly this thing into space just to show that he can

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 14:01:57 2019 No.10467049 >>10465836 implessive

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 14:10:28 2019 No.10467066 File: 3.13 MB, 5184x3888, IMG_6051 (2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Panels are up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 14:12:33 2019 No.10467072 File: 3.30 MB, 3500x2625, IMG_6134 (2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10467066 Two of these tapered sections were picked up and put on a flatbed. Trucked over to the other side of the tent and unloaded. -NSF

Anonymous Thu Mar 14 14:23:38 2019 No.10467104

>>10465364
>Will the Chinese conquer the far side of the Moon?
Yes, the far side will be covered with greenhouses, including silkworms.
>What data on Ultima Thule is pending?
5G
>What is Musk doing?
Taking us to Mars
>Will Richard Branson take his high-altitude flight and come back alive?
Musk will have him assassinated in the mesosphere
>Quiz: which spacecraft was launched without a crew, but returned to Earth with one?
Dragon

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 14:25:46 2019 No.10467106 >>10466556 >you will never hook a ladder over the side of a half-finished rocket and climb down inside I'm crying

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 14:27:37 2019 No.10467113 >>10466667 a shame composites are pure fuck to deal with

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 14:29:41 2019 No.10467120 >>10467113 they're like the perfect substance to make subsonic planes out of but they're pure fuck for anything with a hot or cold environment Starship is going to have both due to cryogenic and reentry

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 14:38:44 2019 No.10467140 >>10465453 Rather large chunks of it landed on ground

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 15:00:14 2019 No.10467180 File: 2.83 MB, 960x720, Russian_Mechjeb.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Soyuz crew launch in T-15 min https://youtu.be/21X5lGlDOfg

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 15:14:34 2019 No.10467218 >>10467180 >FUCKING BLEW UP RIP Did the escape tower trigger? I didn't see anything in the fireball.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 15:15:50 2019 No.10467219 >>10467218 it's fine nigger, they've been flying the R-7 for like 80 years now, they've got the fucker figured out

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 15:17:43 2019 No.10467222 >>10467219 >80 years >figured out drills hole in your orbital module

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 15:22:47 2019 No.10467241 >>10467180 Why they never translate all this infographics into English? They translate it on NASA channel after all.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 15:29:14 2019 No.10467260 >>10467222 Even the most robust and proven designs aren't immune to fuck ups in the assembly line.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 15:33:40 2019 No.10467268 >>10467222 I'm sorry, 60 years. My bad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 15:34:56 2019 No.10467271 So, how weather proof will Starship Super Heavy be? It's a fairly wide and squat design made out of a sturdy material, right?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 16:02:46 2019 No.10467363 >>10466934 Hopper might could get up there, but no way can it get back down intact, it's not built for re-entry. It's got no heat shield of any sort.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 16:05:34 2019 No.10467369 >>10467271 The goal is ICBM tier zero fucks given

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 16:07:06 2019 No.10467371 Is this last time Americans flying on Soyuz?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 16:08:23 2019 No.10467372 >>10467371 No. NASA bought Soyuz seats past 2020 so while most Americans may be on Dragon/Boeing, a few will be assigned to Soyuz.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 16:21:24 2019 No.10467394 >>10467372 Imagine being the poor bastard who has to go up on Soyuz while your colleagues fly on Dragon/Starliner

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 16:24:25 2019 No.10467401 >>10467371 >>10467372 >>10467394 You are correct, but Russian astronauts will also fly on Dragon 2 and Starliner as part of the international partnership between the ISS partners.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 16:25:57 2019 No.10467404 >>10467401 Imagine being the poor bastard who has to go up on Soyuz while your colleagues fly on Dragon/Starliner

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 16:32:34 2019 No.10467412 File: 2.44 MB, 4403x3888, IMG_0374.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Heavy venting...

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 16:34:12 2019 No.10467418 File: 2.70 MB, 5184x3888, IMG_0375.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10467404 I wonder if Roscosmos will tell their astronauts to say bad things about Dragon to spread FUD...

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 16:39:46 2019 No.10467427 >>10467418 Already started. Apparently Dragon "smells bad" on ISS

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 16:40:18 2019 No.10467431 >>10467412 Where did you source that pic?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 16:50:08 2019 No.10467444 File: 138 KB, 960x636, TM6445546465.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10467427 Source on this? I wonder if it's true

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 16:51:44 2019 No.10467450 >>10467444 https://sputniknews.com/world/201903101073097626-russia-iss-space-alcohol-smell/

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 16:52:25 2019 No.10467453 >>10467431 A CIA black-budget surveillance project called "Project Nomad".

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 16:54:40 2019 No.10467459 >>10467453 Other than twitter and NSF, I'm not sure where people are posting OC starship pics. would appreciate the source, thanks.

Anonymous Thu Mar 14 16:56:51 2019 No.10467464
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>>10467450
This seems like it could potentially be true. Still, it's obviously a poor attempt at propaganda.

>Sir, the Americans are developing spacecraft to replace us. how do we respond?
>tell everyone they smell bad

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 16:57:29 2019 No.10467468 >>10467459 boca chica FB group also

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 17:15:14 2019 No.10467504 >>10467468 Thanks!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 17:16:35 2019 No.10467506 >>10467464 I totally can imagine that Russians refuse to fly on Dragon because of their muh national prestige.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 17:20:51 2019 No.10467518 >>10467268 >t.butthurt russian

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 17:25:46 2019 No.10467533 >>10467506 Unlikely. With nasa money drying up supporting their own launchers will become more difficult. A regime change in the coming decade is also quite possible.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 17:31:08 2019 No.10467545 >>10467533 Well Putin is supposedly out in 2024, he'll probably be replaced by a handpicked successor/puppet but there's no certainty this guy will be accepted and many anti-Putin people will choose this as their time to strike...

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 17:31:14 2019 No.10467547 >>10467533 I wonder what happened if Russia will not be unable to support ISS anymore.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 17:33:31 2019 No.10467549 >>10467545 >Putin is supposedly out in 2024 Why? He was in power for almost 20 years.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 17:37:49 2019 No.10467557 >>10467450 Would there be any legitimate source from where that alcohol could leak?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 17:40:11 2019 No.10467564 >>10467549 I read an article that quoted him saying he'd abdicate after this current term ends.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 17:44:42 2019 No.10467580 File: 3.16 MB, 5184x3888, IMG_0377.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 17:46:21 2019 No.10467584 File: 3.12 MB, 5184x3888, IMG_0378.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 18:05:24 2019 No.10467630 >>10467564 Even if he really said it, I doubt he actually will do it. Maybe he will switch places with his prime minister, he did it before.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 18:12:00 2019 No.10467646 File: 13 KB, 480x360, STINKS.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10467464 >>tell everyone they smell bad IT STINKS, AND I DON'T LIKE IT

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 18:13:46 2019 No.10467649 https://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/local/county-approves-authority-for-road-closures-for-rocket-testing/article_ef6a2fd4-466b-11e9-aa6e-1b3a1be10f5a.html one step closer to the first test

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 18:35:24 2019 No.10467696 File: 686 KB, 1373x742, IMG_0379.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hmmm...

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 18:39:06 2019 No.10467702 File: 2.57 MB, 400x200, Smokin.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10467572 >>10467580 >>10467584

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 18:44:19 2019 No.10467716 >>10467696 Igniting the methane vs engine firing. Sound?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 18:47:03 2019 No.10467725 File: 943 KB, 1558x930, 4803458b21e4f2260eff17f75b7fe4be.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] dae tweetdeck god please help me

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 18:49:12 2019 No.10467731 File: 159 KB, 236x224, fire.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] webm

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 18:50:36 2019 No.10467737 File: 492 KB, 314x219, 1352842866446.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10467731 wow

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 18:51:00 2019 No.10467739 >>10467737 blame the compression gods it's a screen cap of a youtube stream

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 18:51:49 2019 No.10467740 >>10467739 we need some archeologists in here asap, I just found a load of artifacts!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 19:02:04 2019 No.10467759 >>10467731 That doesn't look a video of a spacecraft. It looks like a video of some cryptid that you'll find on some conspiracy blog.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 19:03:39 2019 No.10467762 >>10467759 Like some sort of tall-shelled, firebreathing tortoise in the distance.

Anonymous Thu Mar 14 19:04:22 2019 No.10467764

>>10467371
Ironically, keeping Roscosmos ufloat is in US interests.
If Russian space industry collapse it will encourage them to sell technologies and hardware to countries like Iran or North Korea.
Also countries like China can employ jobless russian engineers and so on.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 19:08:24 2019 No.10467776 >>10467762 So some new evolution of the Shuckle?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 19:11:28 2019 No.10467779 >>10467776 Confirmed for Poke'mon movie leak

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 19:47:31 2019 No.10467859 File: 1008 KB, 375x304, AEowGhy.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10467545 Putin in 2024

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 20:03:54 2019 No.10467889 File: 21 KB, 323x323, asdf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] whats the best evidence of round earth and apollo mission!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 20:05:15 2019 No.10467893 File: 313 KB, 1920x1080, 15321_eve_online.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10467889

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 20:05:20 2019 No.10467894 >>10467889 >Round Earth South Celestial Pole >Apollo If it were faked, then the Soviets would've figured it out and exposed the whole thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 20:08:21 2019 No.10467901 File: 761 KB, 800x1029, 1552240592450.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10467889

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 20:09:16 2019 No.10467903 >>10467450 No worries, just a bit of moonshine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 20:51:51 2019 No.10467992 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WKs3B2pX6E Docking in under 30 minutes, I'm also gay btw if that matters.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 20:53:39 2019 No.10467997 >>10467992 >I'm also gay btw if that matters. do you have a nice ass?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 20:55:23 2019 No.10468004 >>10467997 Not so good. I have nice eyes though haha.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 21:11:12 2019 No.10468043 I guess it is a couple hours until the crew enters the station.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 21:12:30 2019 No.10468047 >>10467992 That was nice to watch. Thank you, anon. >I'm also gay btw if that matters. I don't that does matter unless you were trying to make a "docking" joke.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 21:15:06 2019 No.10468052 File: 321 KB, 500x641, w9fUL.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 21:25:51 2019 No.10468072 >>10468047 You're welcome, anon. And I was referencing a /ck/ meme if that matters.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 22:04:07 2019 No.10468149 >>10467450 wasn't that from the Russian air systems that had a catastrophic failure during the docking?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 22:09:33 2019 No.10468159 File: 1.12 MB, 680x582, starshipstainless.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >"starship" >doesn't travel to other stars

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 22:12:03 2019 No.10468166 >>10468159 I agree. I think it's a silly name too, but hey whatever pleases the stockholders and the hype machine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 22:14:48 2019 No.10468173 >>10468159 To be fair, it says "star" ship, not "stars" ship. Its a single star system ship trapped to single solar system.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 23:30:09 2019 No.10468320 >>10467363 It wouldn't have to go all the way to orbit. If Hopper can reach 50 miles altitude it has technically entered "space". A suborbital flight like that shouldn't need a heat shield either.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 14 23:56:18 2019 No.10468372 File: 39 KB, 127x206, tomars.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Tesla will be on Mars in 10 years

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 00:17:24 2019 No.10468407
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>Defense officials want to test a neutral particle-beam in orbit in fiscal 2023 as part of a ramped-up effort to explore various types of space-based weaponry. They’ve asked for $304 million in the 2020 budget to develop such beams, more powerful lasers, and other new tech for next-generation missile defense.
https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2019/03/pentagon-wants-test-space-based-weapon-2023/155581/

Looks like Star Wars is back on the menu

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 00:23:06 2019 No.10468420 File: 1.40 MB, 2553x2910, whereweare_20190401.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] current locations of science spacecraft

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 00:29:14 2019 No.10468430 >>10468420 If nothing goes wrong, there will be three rovers operating on Mars silmantaniosly in 2021. Sad that Opportunity died too soon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 00:31:28 2019 No.10468435 >>10468430 battlebots 2021

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 00:37:04 2019 No.10468442 >>10467564 Oh how _generous_ of him.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 00:41:14 2019 No.10468450 File: 62 KB, 500x678, pWyXCZl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10467901 That's nothing, do you know there's an entire NATION run by JEWS?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 00:42:24 2019 No.10468454 >>10465698 Unexpected.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 00:44:45 2019 No.10468458 >>10468435 The winner gets to catch a ride home on the sample return mission, whenever that may be.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 00:50:22 2019 No.10468467 File: 18 KB, 494x494, man.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10468450

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 01:01:01 2019 No.10468474 File: 115 KB, 480x270, 45gf4g4.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10468430 >Yay, more rovers. These government efforts are so disappointing. Especially the american consensus and the politicians they appoint.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 01:09:13 2019 No.10468481
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/sci/ what do you think will be the ISRU spacecraft propellant of the future?

Obviously for the immediate future the choices would be either methalox or hydrolox. But maybe there's other options that you feel is worth a consideration? For nuclear engines the answer might seem to be hydrogen only, however nuclear engines (like all thermal rockets) could in theory be able to use just about any fluid as a propellant as long as the turbo machinery can handle it. So maybe a propellant which is easier to make/store/sell/use could be viable.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 01:22:17 2019 No.10468497 >>10468481 of the far future? metallic hydrogen and antimatter that they will produce on the spot with their nearly magical powerplants

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 01:27:25 2019 No.10468503 >>10468474 they will run for decades and then some jackoff with a shovel will surpass their scientific output in the span of an afternoon

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 01:35:39 2019 No.10468524

>>10465501
It's the superior formatting style. Apparently reddit does something to force spaces between paragraphs or something.

>>10465509
Yea. Some people over-use it. Sometimes you do have to use it to seperate independant, unrelated ideas which consist only of a single sentence.

Grammar. Is it even real? I'd hate to be a future archaologist trying to decode acroyms, slang and lingo from somebodies facebook chat record found on a rusty two thousnd year old HDD.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 01:35:47 2019 No.10468525 >>10468503 To be honest, going to Mars itself is folly, when almost nothing has been developed between it and Earth.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 01:42:59 2019 No.10468535

>>10465522
Russia plans to claim their pieces. The rest will fall into earth orbit and disintegrate.

It has been exorbitantly expensive over its lifetime. Scientific returns were low. The scientific returns peaked long ago and are in decline.

The next real space station will have microgravity and it will be mobile. It will probably be owned by a company not a government. It will probably orbit the moon a short time before heading to Mars where it will support industry there while recieving a makeover and gaining substantial upgrades.

Russia and China both have plans for ramshackle tin cans in space orbit.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 01:52:01 2019 No.10468544 [DELETED]

>>10465522
Push it outside the range of every single "field" and run tests on humans. I know one of the main reasons they keep funding that thing is for human-guinea-pigs, but that thing floats within some of the limited fields that Earth emits. Why not push that fucker out? If somebody is actually going to Mars or where-ever-the-fuck else, why keep that shit in LEO? Let me guess, because it keeps logistics cheap?

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 02:06:10 2019 No.10468568

>>10468524
>Grammar. Is it even real? I'd hate to be a future archaologist trying to decode acroyms, slang and lingo from somebodies facebook chat record found on a rusty two thousnd year old HDD.

Yeah that's very chaoshi. I can easily draw up some history dwarfs trying to pick away and being all pyrro about it. They'll definately be like keanu as they try to repuzzle our biemdubluu speak. Sowing machine.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 02:09:26 2019 No.10468574 >>10465376 China has only orbeted taikonauts a few time with a copy of soyuz. They have their work cut out building their next space station.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 02:22:14 2019 No.10468585 >>10468535 >The scientific returns peaked long ago and are in decline. Science on the ISS is growing, not in decline.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 02:44:57 2019 No.10468608 >>10468420 just to save the googling if any other anon is interested: NH is going 14km/s while voyager 1 is going 17km/s so it will never catch up

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 03:01:39 2019 No.10468626 >>10468420 Huh, its been so long since the STEREO craft launched they've now completely swapped places with each other. Speaking of which, isnt one of them offline?

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 03:29:31 2019 No.10468644

>>10468481
Electricity generated from locally fabricated solar panels to power a mass driver on the lunar surface. A mass driver will allow payloads to be launched quickly and cheaply from the moon back to Earth or to Mars or wherever. Spacecraft will still need locally manufactured propellant, probably hydrogen and oxygen made from lunar water, but they won't need as much if the mass driver gives them the initial boost into space.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 04:07:02 2019 No.10468672 >>10468568 wow, what a profound statement

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 04:21:13 2019 No.10468688 >>10468481 ethane, propane and butane could make sense because of their higher density

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>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 04:47:39 2019 No.10468705 >Am hearing varying ranges as NASA assesses new dates for first SLS flight. Median is around November, 2021. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OHOHOHOHOHOOHO BUWHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 04:49:28 2019 No.10468708 >>10468481 Carbon monoxide/lox from Venus.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 05:16:01 2019 No.10468729 >>10468173 That's retarded. That's like calling air plane "planet ship" because it travels around one planet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 05:17:47 2019 No.10468730 >>10468481 It's going to be hydrogen. If we won't solve something as simple as hydrogen storage we won't be able to solve the much bigger technological standards that come with space colonization anyways.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 05:22:55 2019 No.10468737

>>10468730
it's not that hydrogen storage and use isn't solvable, because it is, it's just that you need to make compromises in material choice when you use hydrogen that you don't need to make for methane
hydrogen resistant alloys are not as good as alloys that don't need to be resistant to hydrogen impregnation

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 05:24:43 2019 No.10468740 File: 882 KB, 1600x2000, V1KQRFQ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10468705 link

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 05:25:18 2019 No.10468742

>>10468481
The moon seems to be the next big destination for the major spacefaring nations. For the near future that means ISRU fuels will likely be hydrogen/oxygen because the moon has no carbon. Carbon based ISRU fuels won't happen until we go to Mars or an asteroid.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 05:31:40 2019 No.10468746 >>10468742 >For the near future that means ISRU fuels will likely be hydrogen/oxygen because the moon has no carbon. Do we actually know that? There may very well be methane frozen along the water ice on poles.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 05:44:36 2019 No.10468750 >>10468737 Liquid hydrogen doesn't brittle per se, what you need to solve is how to prevent it from boiling off. Liquid methane and oxygen boil off, too, so you are going to need to solve that problem anyways.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 05:45:07 2019 No.10468751

>>10468746
There could also very well be carbon from asteroid impacts deep within the moon's surface. We don't know though because well, we've never done any in-depth prospecting on the Moon.

Digging that shit out and purifying it enough to be used as feedstock for methane production is going to be an interesting (read: pain in the ass) experience. I can all but guarantee power for it is going to require gigawatt-class reactors

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 05:49:43 2019 No.10468754

>>10468750
Liquid hydrogen does brittle, and especially at higher pressures such as in the engine. This is not something you want if you desire your engine to be reusable indefinitely. It also has cryogenic temperatures that are low even by cryogenic standards. Nasty stuff.

Methane and oxygen boil-off is much less significant than hydrogen due to their larger molecules.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 05:57:22 2019 No.10468759

>>10468746
There was that mission that slammed a rocket stage into the moon to look at the spectra of the debris cloud to detect water. I recall reading there may also have been trace amounts of methane detected but not much. If methane was found on the moon in significant quantities like water you'd think it would be big news.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 05:58:50 2019 No.10468763 >>10468754 No, it doesn't. In the engines the hydrogen is gaseous so it does brittle there. Liquid hydrogen doesn't brittle. Liquid methane boils off about half as much as liquid hydrogen, liquid oxygen about 70% as much.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 06:03:10 2019 No.10468767 >>10468497 gay

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 06:04:23 2019 No.10468769 >>10468525 luckily there's almost nothing between Earth and Mars which means we are go for Mars surface missions as soon as the lift capability and payloads exist.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 06:06:51 2019 No.10468770
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Reposting my space colonization plan here for critique, other thread is dead:

**0.** Establish an Equatorial Launch Ring. No, not that sci-fi nonsense you are probably thinking about. What I mean is a string of launch platforms on the equator, around 150 of them encircling the Earth, spaced ~250 kilometers apart. Then have SpaceX style reusable methalox rockets continuously hop around the ring in the direction of Earth rotation, launching payloads with every hop and landing on the next platform to be immediately reused again. It should be possible to cheaply orbit hundreds of thousands of tons of payload per year with this system. No need for RTLS also increases payload mass and reduces wear on the engines. Optional upgrade: use carbon neutral nuclear power or renewable electricity to manufacture propellant (oxygen and methane) directly at the launch pad, from seawater and CO2.
Another crucial step is to develop closed loop life support systems that can function almost indefinitely with the only input being energy. This should be possible because there are sealed bottle gardens thriving for over 50 years and counting. Biosphere project also worked well after initial problems were solved, and failed mostly due to crew conflicts, not the technology.

**1.** Build large spinning (for gravity) space stations in equatorial low Earth orbit. It is the only place where galactic cosmic rays are significantly reduced due to our magnetosphere, while at the same time with low inclination to avoid radiation from the South Atlantic Anomaly. This leads radiation levels that almost approach Earth-like ones, in space! Coincidentally, it is the easiest orbit to launch to from Earth. Some prime real estate indeed.

http://space.alglobus.net/

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 06:07:58 2019 No.10468771
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>>10468770
2. Optional: space station with a propellant depot in frozen lunar polar orbit. These are rare low lunar orbits that are stable, and we need a polar one to easily access lunar poles. Fortunately there is one at 86° inclination.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_orbit#Lunar_frozen_orbits

3. Settle lunar poles. There is solar power available constantly at peaks of eternal light and also valuable volatiles frozen in permanently shadowed craters (hydrogen, and maybe nitrogen and carbon). ISRU produce propellant and many other things.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 06:08:36 2019 No.10468772 >>10468767 What? he did say the future. It's absolutely plausible and metallic hydrogen is super dense

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 06:09:03 2019 No.10468773
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>>10468771
4. Establish Mars surface base. See SpaceX plans for details. Here comes a crucial fork in our space colonization plans. Either Martian gravity is enough to support human life long term, including pregnancy and growing children. In which case Mars colonization will become the focus of our efforts at this stage. Or Martian gravity is not enough and then we merely establish a modest base on the surface and go to the next step.

5. Colonize Martian moons Phobos and Deimos. Put a spinning space stations around retrograde (for stability) orbits around them. Use local resources and ISRU as much as possible, especially for construction materials and radiation shielding. Availability of volatiles on these moons is a big question mark here.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 06:10:37 2019 No.10468775
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>>10468773
6. Colonize the asteroid belt (Ceres, Vesta, Pallas..), again with rotating stations in low retrograde orbits around the roids. Apply what we learned on Martian moons here, this time with plentiful volatiles available.

7. Expand to outer solar system, here you will probably need large rotating city-sized spaceships with heavy radiation shielding, or alternatively very fast propulsion systems.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 06:13:59 2019 No.10468777

>>10468775
I think we should skip 5, and work on NEO exploitation in that step instead. Venus also has potential, and is a much easier target than the outer solar system. You could possibly do space Las Vegas in the upper venusian atmosphere to service Belters. If you were willing to put up with Earthgov shenanigans you could maybe do lunar space casino.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 06:15:25 2019 No.10468778

>>10468763
>Liquid hydrogen doesn't brittle.
Okay, but hydrogen vapors are going to exist in the tanks and plumbing anyway so your point is moot.
>Liquid methane boils off about half as much as liquid hydrogen, liquid oxygen about 70% as much.
No, the idea is that while all three will boil off if simply left in an un-insulated tank, stopping boil-off of methane and oxygen completely is much more feasible than doing the same with hydrogen, because hydrogen requires much lower temperatures to keep it stable. This means therefore that a stored-hydrolox vehicle needs a much bigger refrigeration and radiator system than a stored-methalox vehicle, on top of the fact that it would also need a much bigger tank to hold a similar mass of hydrogen anyway. It's a double whammy on mass fraction, which negates a lot of the advantages of the higher Isp even for an expendable stage. Once you start looking at reusable systems the advantage of hydrolox pretty much goes out the window. The exception is for nuclear thermal rockets, which can get high enough Isp to make up for the mass fraction hit, at the cost of literally being much more pricey than a chemical engine. Reusable hydrogen propelled NTR vehicles would be most useful for their ability to actually get to Jupiter from Earth, whereupon they can refill using hydrogen or if the engine is designed for it, water. While water gets a much lower Isp of around 380 in an NTR that gets 1000 Isp using hydrogen, if the water is also being stored in the hydrogen tank they can carry ~14.3 times the propellant mass and get a way better mass fraction, making up for it especially once you consider that water needs t be simply melted and filtered before use while hydrogen needs to be produced via slow and energetically intensive electrolysis.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 06:22:44 2019 No.10468781

>>10468777
NEOs are smaller compared to Martian moons, dryed out by their proximity to the Sun, and have no atmosphere for aerobraking (contrary to Mars, and you can use it even to achieve orbit). Additionally, you have a Mars base anyway, with all the associated infrastructure and regular flights, so you can use it to kickstart the colonization of Martian moons, too.

Phobos and Deimos are really the most promising "near Earth asteroids".

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 06:27:25 2019 No.10468784

>>10468772
The 'antimatter they will magically produce' bit is gay, why do you need it if you have power plants capable of making it? At that point you have access to enough energy that you can make vehicles that can achieve 20% light speed anyway and going much faster means you're pretty much guaranteed to be vaporized on impact with a piece of cosmic space dust. Also antimatter looks good on paper but in reality the energy released is mostly in the form of gamma rays which makes it really difficult to capture that energy and redirect it as thrust.

Metallic hydrogen would be nice as long as it's stable enough to not completely detonate instantly if you tap it with a hammer, ideally it'd take something like a very high power electrical pulse to start the reaction, sort of like how C4 needs a detonator to set off and can be burned in a fire without exploding. Also we need some way of producing it that doesn't also make it so expensive per kilogram that it can't compete with nuclear fuels. Otherwise why use a metallic hydrogen rocket when you can just use a z-pinch fission rocket that gets 50% better Isp and potentially better thrust overall? Sure it's more radioactive but in space everything is radioactive anyway and the exhaust is moving so fast it won't concentrate in any one area, it's just get blown into interstellar space by solar wind.

IMO the rocket fuels of the future are U-233 and Pu-239. Both would be formed into roughly 1 gram massed hollow spherical pellets and surrounded by a neutron reflector (for extra kick put a pinch of tritium inside the hollow pellet to boost the fission reaction). In operation the pellets are shot into the reaction chamber where they encounter a very strong magnetic field and are quickly crushed, forming a critical mass that then sets off a chain reaction and blows up the pellet in a tiny nuclear explosion (a few hundred kg's of tnt worth). This process is repeated several dozen times per second.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 06:30:13 2019 No.10468785

>>10468778
negatives towards performance of hydrolox stages:
>hydrogen resistant alloys are worse than nonresistant (engine performance isn't as optimal as it could be) (this is a minor quibble desu)
>hydrogen has terrible thrust/hardware weight and area (only affects stages that need a high T/W ratio to minimize gravity losses, minimally impacts mass fraction otherwise)
>hydrogen has a low density requiring big tanks (impacts mass fraction)
>extremely cold cryogenic storage requirements and quantum phase change settling shenanigans (significantly impacts mass fraction and/or boil-off losses)
>leak-proofing hydrogen storage is essentially impossible (basically boil-off losses but impossible to stop instead of difficult)

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 06:55:14 2019 No.10468806 >>10468771 If you built a big pressurized dome over one of those ice craters would the ice thaw out and become a lake? A lake on the moon would be cool.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 07:08:28 2019 No.10468814 >>10468740 >https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1106337152177180675

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 07:10:47 2019 No.10468815 >>10468814 No wonder they are considering divorcing the orion from that disaster.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 07:33:50 2019 No.10468836 >>10468784 Hmm you're right might as well just blast light / particles out the back instead of making AM Could always pump it out as reserve fuel i guess Interesting idea with the mini nukes though

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 07:35:40 2019 No.10468839 >>10468785 Thanks for that. Sometimes seems like hydrogen is more problem than it's worth as a cryogenic chemical rocket fuel Not him btw.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 08:35:23 2019 No.10468894

>>10468778
For ISRU you need a big amount of carbon for methane engines, while you need only water for hydrogen engines. Getting a lot of carbon on the moon is impossible, and on Mars very hard, plus, that carbon that you can mine is going to be needed for other stuff, too, on Mars. So I think that is a very big advantage for hydrogen. Of course storage is harder, but it is not impossible and the technology can improve. There is no way you are going to ever mass-produce carbon on the moon or Mars however.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 08:40:55 2019 No.10468907

>>10468894
>Getting a lot of carbon on the moon is impossible, and on Mars very hard

It is not hard at all on Mars, as you can readily use atmospheric CO2 in a Sabatier reaction. Certainly it is much easier to get carbon on Mars than mining and splitting water ice.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 08:42:41 2019 No.10468910 File: 147 KB, 1200x900, D1syGN_WsAIXB4J[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Raptor just pulled up at Hopper

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 08:45:34 2019 No.10468913 [DELETED]

>>10468907
It's extremely difficult to get big amounts of carbon out of Mars' thin air. There is actually going to be an experimental ISRU on Mars 2020. That will produce 22g of oxygen in 50 days. Of course it's only a very small facility but it should give you an idea about how difficult it is going to produce, let's say 10 tons of carbon this way.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 08:47:48 2019 No.10468916

>>10468894
>For ISRU you need a big amount of carbon

Only 20% of propellant by weight is methane. The rest is oxygen. It could actually make sense to produce only oxidizer on the Moon, and dont bother with fuel ISRU. WIth a Starship, you can do a round trip from LEO to lunar surface, offload full 100 tons of cargo, refill oxygen only and get back to Earth. Amout of refueling flights would still significantly decrease.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 08:48:15 2019 No.10468917 >>10467572 >>10467580 >>10467584 God damnit, the hopper vapes, what a fag

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 08:52:58 2019 No.10468922

>>10468913
It is not difficult at all. Carbon capture for fuel production is borderline feasible even on Earth. Martian atmosphere, while thin, has an order of magnitude more CO2 pressure than Earth has. Also the process is exothermic.

If you can mine and split water on Mars, then converting it to methane will be a piece of cake. In fact it could make sense to convert hydrogen to methane purely to store it in a practical manner, regardless of methane rocketry.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 08:56:36 2019 No.10468930 tf misogynist firstly how will they make enough money to buy enough wood to build a ladder that big

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 08:59:12 2019 No.10468933

>>10468907
Splitting CO2 is actually really hard, it requires a lot of energy, and after you done that you first only have O2 and CO, so you need to split the carbon from the oxygen again, again requiring a lot of energy. Massproducing carbon this way in the thin atmosphere of Mars is nearly impossible. If anything, you will search for carbon-rich ice and try to mine it out of that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 09:01:55 2019 No.10468938 >>10468922 >>10468907 Well, since you think it's the Sabatier process that splits CO2, you are obiously illiterate, anyways.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 09:03:38 2019 No.10468942

>>10468933
That is not how this is done at all. You directly react carbon dioxide and hydrogen to get methane.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabatier_reaction

>The Sabatier reaction or Sabatier process was discovered by the French chemist Paul Sabatier and Senderens in 1897. It involves the reaction of hydrogen with carbon dioxide at elevated temperatures (optimally 300–400 °C) and pressures in the presence of a nickel catalyst to produce methane and water.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 09:05:22 2019 No.10468944 >>10468942 ? What does that have to do with splitting CO2? CO2 does precisely NOT have a catalyst reaction that makes it easy to split them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 09:10:28 2019 No.10468949 >>10468910 >yfw the nightpic "fires" were simple projectors

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 09:14:27 2019 No.10468951 >>10468944 Lets get one thing straight. You claim you need "carbon" to make methane, and since there's no known (pure) "carbon" on Mars you say it is very hard to make methane there?

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 09:21:36 2019 No.10468960

>>10468778
Developing storage technologies for hydrogen are not as challenging as you think, since it doesn't need to be that lightweight for interplanetary travel like it needs to be for rocket launching. You can put a big spaceship into space, than fuel it, and off you go. You have a net gain of payload capacity that is correlated positively with the size of the ship. Only for really small ships you wouldn't have a net gain of payload capacity.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 09:53:29 2019 No.10469001 >>10468778 >Okay, but hydrogen vapors are going to exist in the tanks and plumbing anyway so your point is moot. No, that gets vented off. The whole point of avoiding boil off is minimising the hydrogen you have to vent off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 10:18:20 2019 No.10469029 >>10469001 Holy shit you are dumb.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 10:22:22 2019 No.10469039 To get carbon to make lunar rocket fuel can't they just capture all the CO2 that humans exhale and extract the carbon atoms? If there is a big lunar colony with lots of people that's a lot of CO2 being exhaled.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 10:31:42 2019 No.10469055

Carbon can also be recovered from human feces and urine. Humans don't stop shitting and pissing just because they are in space of course. Even a small lunar colony will generate huge amounts of human waste and hopefully this material can be recycled to obtain carbon and other elements that are scarce on the moon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 10:33:47 2019 No.10469058 >>10469029 no u

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 10:38:21 2019 No.10469066

>>10469055
TANSTAAFL
Either you put that carbon into hydroponics to keep crew alive, or you bring up more weight in food. (The latter is probably easier on Luna, harder on a Mars transfer orbit.) Either way, it's going to be nowhere near enough carbon for even one launch.

>>10469001
Does it really matter if embrittlement eventually causes the tank to fail?

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 10:50:28 2019 No.10469084

>>10469066
You have a point. In space human waste will be very valuable for food production until mankind reaches Mars or goes out to the asteroids where organic chemicals are more abundant. Maybe NASA should require the ISS astronauts to save their poop for future use instead of dumping it back into the Earth's atmosphere like they do now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 10:50:49 2019 No.10469086 >>10468407 Good, can be useful against potential future NEO threats

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 10:51:59 2019 No.10469088 File: 745 KB, 1024x1024, 20180113_uvi_20160425_171339_283_l2b_v10_PseudoRGB.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10468420 Wow look at all the attention Mars gets, what a diva

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 10:56:53 2019 No.10469097 >>10469039 That carbon will already be used to grow plants and food. Any space colony must recycle waste, including CO2 from exhaling. You need additional carbon, and tons of it, to produce rocket fuel.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 10:57:22 2019 No.10469098 File: 510 KB, 1280x853, bigelow module.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10468535 >ramshackle tin cans in space orbit. Why is everyone ignoring the inflatable meme?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 11:53:18 2019 No.10469197 >>10467901 >>10468450 These nonspiracies are great.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 11:55:29 2019 No.10469203 >>10468052 The O-rings cannot sustain launch above 30,000 feet. Do not attempt launch if the weather is above 30,000 feet conditions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 11:57:05 2019 No.10469207 File: 193 KB, 432x1065, earth is sphere proof.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10469197

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 12:00:31 2019 No.10469214 >>10468910 Now kiss.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 12:13:56 2019 No.10469231 File: 32 KB, 294x436, 1547054752787.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10468814 >yet another two years to weld space shuttle engines to a metal cylinder

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 12:17:41 2019 No.10469239 >>10468497 >antimatter can't wait for one RUD blowing up a whole planet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 12:20:11 2019 No.10469247 >>10469231 For real. How the fuck can it take so long? They only need to build the first stage. The second stage is just the Delta 4 one, anyways. How long can it take to build one single stage?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 12:30:26 2019 No.10469263 >>10469197 I remember someone in /his/ made one of those to counter all the "holohoax"-threads, making ones about how the bombing of Dresden was a conspiracy by Nazi Germany. Used the same logic as holohoax-posters, triggering the fuck out of them

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 12:33:39 2019 No.10469268

>>10469247
Poor management motivated by the desire to keep jobs open I'd guess. Whatever the case may be, there should be an investigation on this. Nearly a decade of design work (this is ignoring the time spent on Ares V) and $7 Billion yet not a single launch. Imagine if Apollo was managed like this, we'd be lucky to have Apollo 8 happen by 1975.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 12:55:12 2019 No.10469307 File: 156 KB, 807x905, dragonscale.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Close up of recovered Dragon https://twitter.com/ShuttleAlmanac/status/1105955784733548545

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 12:55:46 2019 No.10469312 >>10469307 Holy fuck its a total write-off, SpaceX is finished

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:00:02 2019 No.10469327

>>10469268
>and $7 Billion

If only. As of the end of 2018, we are at $15 billion spent on SLS and $18 billion spent on Orion, inflation adjusted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_System#Funding_history_and_planning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(spacecraft)

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:01:53 2019 No.10469329
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>>10469312
>SpaceX is finished
How so? The capsule in the image just looks dirty. SpaceX has refurbished capsules before, so I'm sure that they can fix this one up. I mean, it would be silly of them to advertise that the Dragon 2 is reusable but launch it before they've figured out how to reuse it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:03:01 2019 No.10469332 >>10469327 Oops, I was reading the 2014 costs by mistake. My point still stands however.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:03:06 2019 No.10469334 >>10469329 Look at that salt-water corrosion and de-orbit burn marks holy shit its over, pack it up, spacex is done

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:06:42 2019 No.10469342 >>10469334 Even if that capsule was ruined, it doesn't mean that SpaceX has failed. It was a test flight after all, test flights are meant to look for faults that were missed in the design stage. And again, how is SpaceX "done" or "finished"?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:08:50 2019 No.10469346 >>10469342 >t. SpaceX damage control SpaceX is really done now, they can't recover from this

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:10:07 2019 No.10469348 >>10469346 >SpaceX is really done now, How are they done for? >they can't recover from this Why not? Can you please elaborate?

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:10:32 2019 No.10469349

>>10469307
>>10469312
>>10469329
You do know most of that isn't actually scorching right? The majority of the 'scorch marks' are just a layer of residue created by the ablated heatshield's products. You can see where the layer of residue has cracked off to reveal a pristine white outer-shell.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:10:40 2019 No.10469350 >>10469348 Press 'F' for SpaceX F

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:13:43 2019 No.10469353 >>10469349 I'm aware of this. I've personally seen how "dusty" ablation can be. Although I'm wondering how much damage the ocean water has done to the capsule.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:13:51 2019 No.10469354 File: 3.30 MB, 5184x3888, IMG_0390.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The LOX truck has arrived

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:14:32 2019 No.10469355 >>10469247 I'm expecting big things given how long it's taken. FTL drive? Anti-gravity drive? 1000t to GTO? Artifical gravity?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:16:50 2019 No.10469359 >>10469353 One of Musk's tweets makes it sound like SpaceX have done extra work waterproofing the Dragon 2, so it shouldn't be too bad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:18:22 2019 No.10469364 >>10468525 Would be cool if a decently profitable lunar business could be established first to pave the way. What options are there?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:19:29 2019 No.10469366 >>10469359 Hopefully that waterproofing was enough. I guess we'll see once SpaceX refurbishes it. It's just that with every mention of ocean landing I hear, it's made to sound like the spacecraft is landing in some horrific acid.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:21:02 2019 No.10469370

>>10469353
I honestly don't understand how a dunking can do that much damage. Err, perhaps just have a jetwashing machine on the deck and immediately blast it clean with desalinated water? Can a few minutes really cause that much damage? And why not build it out of stainless in the first place?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:24:35 2019 No.10469378 >>10469312 Crew dragon isn't supposed to be reusable iirc

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:25:18 2019 No.10469380

>>10468839
oh, no, it's still amazing and probably the future, but you don't strictly need it for inner solar system stuff and it might even be easier for that
maybe material science will improve and the gap between hydrogen resistant material and non-resistant material will close

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:25:44 2019 No.10469381
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>>10469312
Every single capsule with an ablative heatshiled that has ever been built has looked like that.
Apollo launched with a mirror shine and came back brown.
Your post is retarded.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:26:26 2019 No.10469386 >>10469381 Holy fuck its a total write-off, NASA is finished

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:31:34 2019 No.10469401

>>10469370
I don't know how long it took for Dragon 2 to be recovered, but I recall that it can take an hour for a ship to find the capsule and recover it.

As for saltwater damage, this article isn't in the context of spaceflight, it should give an idea of how nasty it can be: https://www.911restoration.com/salt-water-damage/

>>10469378
No. Dragon 2 is supposed to be reusable.
https://aviationweek.com/space/spacex-unveils-step-change-dragon-v2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_2

>>10469381
I think he's just trolling for that sweet r/EnoughMuskSpam upvotes

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:45:07 2019 No.10469426 >>10469312 That's why they say reusability is a meme.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:47:21 2019 No.10469432 >>10469370 What damage?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:48:37 2019 No.10469433 File: 427 KB, 900x900, Dragon capsule post DM-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Holy shit its completely ruined, how could Kraft recover?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:50:12 2019 No.10469438 >>10469432 Salt water is bad for capsules, mainly for the electronics due to the corrosive salts in it. Landing in water requires more refurbishment than on land due to this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:50:17 2019 No.10469439 >>10469433 tbf you cant eat a space capsule

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:54:09 2019 No.10469446 Arabsat 6A – the second flight of SpaceX's Falcon Heavy is scheduled to launch no earlier than April 7 at 6:36 pm ET (22:36 UTC).The static fire is set for March 30.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:58:24 2019 No.10469461 >NASA will still use Soyuz This is retarded. The whole point of CCDev program was to stop giving money to Russia for seats on Soyuz. Right now funding Russia is clearly not in US interests.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 13:59:24 2019 No.10469463 >>10469446 It suppose to be in full expandable mode, right? So no double boosters landing?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 14:04:01 2019 No.10469477 >>10469463 >>It suppose to be in full expandable mode, right? No

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 14:13:04 2019 No.10469499

>>10469461
It's just a way to maintain international cooperation in space between the US and Russia, Russia will also be using the Crew Dragon and Starliner as well. The idea of CCDev was to make America no longer dependent on Soyuz, not abandon Russia altogether. The American-Russian partnership in space has not been influenced by geopolitical tensions so far, so why would things change?

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 14:15:22 2019 No.10469505

>>10469461
There are some reasons why it's in US's interest to still buy some seats on Soyuz.
>Keep a good standing with Russia
>If by some terrible bad luck both CCDev options were unavailable, then Soyuz would still be an option
>Keep Russian aerospace engineers employed in peaceful spaceflight instead of them wandering of to make weapons for a questionable country

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Anonymous Fri Mar 15 14:25:58 2019 No.10469529

>>10469268
It's rather poor political decision "to make NASA use those old Space Shuttle and Constellation parts". It sounds good, like you are going to save money, but you actually don't because the modification is expensive. It's a typical bullshit political decision, like when laymen think that reusing rockets actually works.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 14:29:50 2019 No.10469537 File: 197 KB, 1345x683, Manifest-Direct3-062209-zoom.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10469529 wrong, read up on Jupiter, its what we should have gotten if Congress didn't interfere in order to keep jobs in their districts

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 14:34:06 2019 No.10469551 >>10469537 The SLS essentially is a Jupiter except it even goes a step further as it doesn't even have a new upper stage and instead just uses the Delta 4's one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 14:38:59 2019 No.10469562 File: 58 KB, 230x283, 1331695441937.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10469307

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 14:42:22 2019 No.10469573

>>10469529
>It sounds good, like you are going to save money, but you actually don't because the modification is expensive.
I doubt that. The 5 segment SRBs were already done. The RS-25s are sitting in a warehouse left over from Shuttle. Worst case scenario designwise would be that the core tanks would have to be redone, but that shouldn't take 9 years and $15 billion. Meanwhile the Saturn 1 was a similar concept of reusing preexisting rocket parts and it took ~3-4 years from initial design request to first launch.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 14:44:06 2019 No.10469577 >>10469307 that's one crispy marshmallow >>10469378 It is reusable, but NASA is insisting on a fresh one for every crew mission. So what can SpaceX do with a pile of slightly-used man-rated capsules?

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 14:45:44 2019 No.10469583

>>10469577
>So what can SpaceX do with a pile of slightly-used man-rated capsules?
Maybe hold on to them until NASA changes their mind like what they did with Dragon 1. Or maybe use them for crew transport for other projects where BFR would be too big.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 14:47:04 2019 No.10469586

>>10469551
>SLS essentially is a Jupiter
nope. Everything that was good about Jupiter was borked. New engines. No reuse of tank structures, just diameter. New SRBs, including TVC and propellant mix. Reworked and added upper stages. Not the same umbilical plates. Not the same software. In short, looks the same from a distance, is a totally different beast.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 14:49:24 2019 No.10469592

>>10469577
>It is reusable, but NASA is insisting on a fresh one for every crew mission. So what can SpaceX do with a pile of slightly-used man-rated capsules?

Tourism, the same Boeing wants to do with Starliners.

>>10469573
Yeah, it all sounds so great, but try to build a new car engine out of car parts from several different car brands and you will get a feeling of why that isn't actually a good idea.

But plebs don't want to "waste so much money on launching" meanwhile nobody cares the actual probes and space hardware is many times more expensive. If you want to save money on space exploration, drive down that cost.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 14:50:15 2019 No.10469597

>>10469461
There's talk that Boeing had to write off the capsule they were planning to re-use for an upcoming abort test (because of the previous test where the abort system spewed hydrazine all over), so now they're one capsule behind in their pipeline.
tl;dr: those Soyuz seats are to cover for Boeing not being ready on time

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:13:54 2019 No.10469661

>>10469597
Why is it that SpaceX cultists always need to shit on competition? Starliner like Dragons will always be new for NASA missions so that certainly isnt the reason. The Soyuz seats are bought for any unexpected delays in development by whomever.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:26:05 2019 No.10469694 >>10469661 I'm guessing you don't own a NSF L2 account...

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:28:10 2019 No.10469700 >>10469694 No, I don't own a cultist membership account.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:33:35 2019 No.10469712 File: 140 KB, 500x502, nervous-17662042.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10469354 >tfw standing next to 60,000 liters of liquid oxygen

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:39:39 2019 No.10469730

>>10469597
>>10469661
>>10469694
>>10469700

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1106637988979712000

Speak of the devil and he will appear, it's almost like the OFT-1 capsule will be closer to the final product, because it's actually the capsule originally designed for OFT-2...

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:40:30 2019 No.10469731 >>10469438 Yeah i know this, but what damage has been reported on the Dragon?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:43:24 2019 No.10469741 File: 208 KB, 858x2048, D1uSCvkWsAA5fN9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:50:57 2019 No.10469760 >>10469268 Zero time was spent on Ares V (aside from the 5-segment solid rocket motors, which are already done.)

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 15:54:35 2019 No.10469772 >>10469731 Nothing so far, Dragon is currently being analysed by NASA.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 16:07:11 2019 No.10469801 >>10469730 You really need to set up some filters. Also, inb4 some faggot decides to start a new thread before page 10.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 16:27:18 2019 No.10469853

>>10469098
I'm not sure but I often dream of constructing things in space and having a rigid body makes me a lot more comfortable. I've never really thought of an apropriate use for them.

I've assumed that brazing can be done in vacuum. This greatly simplifies manufacturing requirements. I want a design which is constructed from sheets and pipes. This way you can easily add extensions from remote locations.

Any inflatable design would take advantage of the advantages of that system. Unfortunately those advantages are largely irrelevant.

It's still food for thought and might be suitable as an initial structure which is built around.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 16:27:40 2019 No.10469856 File: 23 KB, 442x330, 7546474534623.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10469694 >he pays money to use an internet forum

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 16:29:03 2019 No.10469860 >>10469661 >Why is it that SpaceX cultists always need to shit on competition? Because they have worthless lives and are extremely insecure about it, so they project those insecurities and attach their "worth" to fandom of Elon Musk.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 16:32:23 2019 No.10469872 File: 123 KB, 629x1173, 1552497427913.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10469860 Forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 16:42:31 2019 No.10469900 File: 19 KB, 400x400, 1534190518671.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >responding to yourself this fucking transparently

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 16:44:44 2019 No.10469907 New Thread: >>10469855

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 16:46:37 2019 No.10469910 File: 26 KB, 353x272, wasnt me.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10469900 >It's the "every post against Musk is done by one redditor"- anon again

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 16:47:11 2019 No.10469912 >>10469907 Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 17:09:55 2019 No.10469992 >>10469247 Space is hard. Space is expensive.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 21:46:57 2019 No.10470607 >>10468777 >Venus also has potential no

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 21:55:10 2019 No.10470622

>>10468933
>Splitting CO2 is actually really hard
If you reduce CO2 to water and methane using hydrogen gas you actually release energy, enough that once you get the reaction going it keeps itself hot on its own.

The biggest energy input requirement is actually the electrolysis required to make the hydrogen used to reduce the CO2, and if your rocket burns hydrogen you need to expend that amount of energy anyway.

Anonymous Fri Mar 15 21:58:53 2019 No.10470630

>>10468944
A mixture of hydrogen gas and carbon dioxide in the presence of nickel metal catalyst causes them to react with one another and produce water and methane, releasing energy. You don't have to split any CO2, you only have to split water and use the hydrogen from that water to react the CO2 to make your methane. This is century old chemistry.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 15 22:44:42 2019 No.10470759 >>10469366 there's little difference between "salt water" and "horrific acid" in the context of steel and electrics

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 00:21:44 2019 No.10470996 >>10469364 A previous thread discussed the merits of exporting lunar basalt countertops and making bank because of the exclusivity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 00:22:20 2019 No.10470997 >>10469364 Same guy you're replying to. The means to mine, transport, refine, forge and build structures in outer space instead of having to rely on Earthside launches to get materials. Also, having a bonafide colony near Earth already.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 16 00:25:39 2019 No.10471003 >>10469856 Sounds like something awful.

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