pro-flat earth vs anti-flat earth arguments - the thread to end threads

[Anonymous No.10464033]

pro-flat earth:
>stars have not moved over thousands of years
>the earth seems to not have curvature (photographic evidence)
>Coriolis effect seems to be a myth
>Tides not caused by the moon (irregularity)
>cannot see Mercury and Venus in elliptical orbit
>the moon appears to be a hologram

anti-flat earth:
>planets as photographed by earth are round
>solar and lunar eclipses wouldn't work on a flat earth
>Mercury and venus transits validate round earth hypothesis
>ISS & moonlanding validate round earth
>gravity gets weaker as one increases in altitude (gravity is real) which is only possible on a round earth

[Anonymous No.10464037]

>>10464033
>>10463911
/thread

[Anonymous No.10464159]

>>10464033
Stars, do move, though. We'll collide with Andromeda while the other galaxies fade away

[Anonymous No.10464210]

>>10464033
Stars do move, do you expect to be able to see it, with the naked eye?
Also, a flat earth isn't possible because the gravity would be fucked up.

[Anonymous No.10464247]

>>10464033
I mean at this point you have to admit, that people who don't believe in flat earth are either trolls or paid shills.
The evidence is so overwhelming that it doesn't make any sense otherwise.

[Anonymous No.10464373]

>>10464033
Faking space: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCCLDG6crOs

[Anonymous No.10464375]

>>10464159
>We'll collide with Andromeda

[Anonymous No.10464383]

i found pic related post amusing

[Anonymous No.10464411]

>>10464383
If the earth is a globe you've got nothing to worry about globecuck - commercial space travel will truly put this to rest anyway. How's that going? Oh wait...

[Anonymous No.10464431]

>>10464411
oh wow, flawless argument. damn, roundearth debunked, turn out the lights guys

[Anonymous No.10464442]

>>10464431
What are you worrying about globecuck?

[Anonymous No.10464458]

>>10464411
Did you go comatose during SpaceX's DM-1?

Also. Its neat that you attacked the weakest point on the list while ignoring the rest of it.

[Anonymous No.10464460]

Pro: Planes don't account for curvature.

[Anonymous No.10464471]

what say you to this, flerthspergs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVxSFnjYCA

[Anonymous No.10464477]

>>10464458
>Did you go comatose during SpaceX's DM-1?
I was watching Star Trek instead - what's the difference?

[Anonymous No.10464479]

>>10464460
>Planes don't account for curvature.
Because the Earth is so large that the rotation needed in order to follow the curvature is very small. It's not even perceptable with all the other maneuvering the pilot needs to do (like adjusting for turbulence).

Do you want me to break out the list again?

[Anonymous No.10464487]

>>10464471
You'll believe anything. They were bouncing lasers off the "moon" before any "reflectors" were supposedly put there.

You seriously think they could hit such a small, moving target from so far away? You gotta be crazy.

[Anonymous No.10464493]

>>10464487
kek, so what, are Mythbusters and that lady with the high-tech telescope+laser setup lying?
is there a conspiracy? are the mythbusters part of the conspiracy?

why is behind the conspiracy? who else knows? what are the motives of those behind the conspiracy?

[Anonymous No.10464496]

>>10464493
*who

[Anonymous No.10464499]

>>10464479
How much curvature needs to be accounted for to maintain the same altitude in 1000 miles?

[Anonymous No.10464512]

>>10464033
>the moon appears to be a hologram
???

[Anonymous No.10464513]

>>10464493
>why is behind the conspiracy?
To a flattie, anyone and everyone is behind the conspiracy.
Here are some groups of people who have to be in on the conspiracy...
>Pilots
>Naval Navigators
>Cartographers
>Land Surveyors
>Artillery Crewmen
>Meteorologists
>Geologists
>Professional Astronomers
>Amateur Astronomers
>HAM Ratio Operators

And the list goes on and on and on.

[Anonymous No.10464526]

>>10464493
A TV show lying? No way!11!!1
>that lady with the high-tech telescope+laser setup lying?
Who owns the telescope you dummy!
>is there a conspiracy?
Of course, why is that so surprising?
>why is behind the conspiracy?
Vatican.
>who else knows?
Jesuits, freemasons, occult orders that dominate the highest ranks of the earth.
>what are the motives of those behind the conspiracy?
You'd have to ask them.

[Anonymous No.10464534]

>>10464526
>occult orders that dominate the highest ranks of the earth.
redpill me on these guys. evidence + logical arguments please.

[Anonymous No.10464541]

>>10464513
That's like saying that flat earth is a conspiracy by the CIA and that everyone who believes it is in on the conspiracy.

[Anonymous No.10464566]

>>10464499
Fine.
If we generalize the Earth as a circle with radius R with a plane (I'm going to use a Boeing 737) flying around it at an constant altitude of H, and the plane is flying so that it's velocity vector is always perpendicular to the Earth's surface, then the plane is moving around in a circle with a radius of R+H.

The plane moves a distance L across the circle. A circular arc can be made from this.
Since the flight direction plane is always perpendicular to the circle's circumference, the angle (theta) of this arc is the angle of which the plane needs to pitch down to maintain it's direction.

theta = L/(R+H) where theta is in radians
The mean radius of the Earth is 6371 km.
The altitude at which most commercial planes fly is roughly 13 km.
L is 1609.34 km.
The resulting theta is 0.2521 radians or 14.44 degrees.

The average speed of the plane is taken to be 0.26 km/s. Traversing L at that speed would take 6174.949 seconds or 1.7152 hours.

Diving theta by the flight time results in an rotation rate of 4.082e-5 radians per second or roughly 42 hours and 45 minutes per rotation.

Which is a very small amount and I doubt that most people would feel it.

[Anonymous No.10464579]

>>10464534
It's a huge topic - these orders have access to ancient knowledge and are masters of deception by creating false realities. They are sun worshippers (Lucifer the light bringer), hence why they put the sun at the center of the solar system and we orbit at an average of 66,600mph. I'm not religious by the way.

Why do you think the planets are named after ancient Gods? Why are so many NASA missions named after ancient deities? Who was Jack Parsons? Did Nazis practice the occult? Why were they brought over to the US in Operation Paperclip to work on the moon landings?

[Anonymous No.10464584]

>>10464566
So are you claiming they account for the curvature every second? When in actuality, they don't account for it at all, which is impossible if the earth is a globe.

[Anonymous No.10464590]

>>10464566
OTOH you can clearly see how airplanes either fly on a sphere or it's a giant conspiracy psyop that they fly curved routes just to fuck with flerthtistics

[Anonymous No.10464596]

>>10464460
they literally tell you its a composite image in the very paragraph you've highlighted, why are you supprised? if you want a real image find a real image

[Anonymous No.10464598]

>>10464579
ah okay, so is Trump also a satan worshipper? or is he too low-level to be in on the secret occult stuff? who are examples of known occult satanists who create false realities using ancient knowledge?

[Anonymous No.10464600]

>>10464590
Explain how a plane maintains the same altitude for 1000s of miles while flying above a curved surface?

[Anonymous No.10464605]

>>10464584
So you're going to completely ignore what I said in >>10464479 ? Fine, I'll reiterate.

>Because the Earth is so large that the rotation needed in order to follow the curvature is very small. It's not even perceptable with all the other maneuvering the pilot needs to do (like adjusting for turbulence).

THAT was what I have claimed and have backed up with math. The amount of rotation needed is very small and thus would get "covered up" by all the other rotations that the plan experiences during a flight.

Do you want me to break out the list of things that are impossible on the flat Earth?

[Anonymous No.10464607]

>>10464596
obviously fake, since australia doesn't real. it was cooked up by the occult masters of reality and the vatican, and in reality, everyone who thinks they're living in australia is really in Ohio. the kangaroos are decepticons

[Anonymous No.10464610]

>>10464600
uh, the (auto)pilot looks at the altimeter and adjusts if it drifts

[Anonymous No.10464612]

>>10464596
Is that the one they took through a circular window? The "edges" of the earth certainly look like it, kinda similar to looking through a keyhole.

[Anonymous No.10464614]

>>10464590
Yep, apparently airline companies are wasting very expensive jet fuel to not fly the shortest paths just to create the illusion that the Earth is a sphere.

If that idoit denies what he has been told one more time, then I'm pulling out the list and just refer him to it every time he opens his mouth on this thread.

[Anonymous No.10464619]

>>10464579
>we orbit at an average of 66,600mph.
Good thing the ancient orders didn't use the metric system.
FYI the speed changes between 30.28km/s and 29.3km/s.
>Why do you think the planets are named after ancient Gods?
Because they're big and in space.
>Why are so many NASA missions named after ancient deities?
Because it sounds cool.
>Who was Jack Parsons?
I don't give a fuck.
>Did Nazis practice the occult?
Yes, they believed in idiotic stuff, just like the hippies and you.
>Why were they brought over to the US in Operation Paperclip to work on the moon landings?
Because they had valuable engineering know-how that was useful to the US. Soviet Union did the same thing. Rockets make good weapons.

[Anonymous No.10464628]

>>10464614
PS: one time when i was flying from NYC to Germany, we actually flew over the southern tip of greenland, i was pretty psyched to be able to see greenland with my own two eyes.

flerthers: did the Vatican hack my eyes or something? or was it really the pilot trying to trick me into round earth by taking a huge detour?

[Anonymous No.10464635]

>>10464598
It's not quite the same as "satanism", but yes of course Trump is part of it. Do you remember when he decided to look at the sun without protective glasses on during an eclipse? It is symbolic. If you watch enough "science" documentaries you will notice that they will always do shots of people looking up into the sun, Carl Sagan did it a lot.

Musk is creating a false reality currently, not just with the simulation theory nonsense, but with everything space-related too. Find his tweet about joining the Royal Society (another occult group) - what did he sign his fellowship in?

There's also supposed to be a trip around the moon funded by that Asian billionaire who wants to take artists with him on the trip. Why artists?

[Anonymous No.10464639]

>>10464605
>The amount of rotation needed is very small and thus would get "covered up" by all the other rotations that the plan experiences during a flight.
You're talking about per second - can you show how planes account for this rotation per second? Mathematics only prove one thing, now show this in practice.

[Anonymous No.10464646]

>>10464610
>uh, the (auto)pilot looks at the altimeter and adjusts if it drifts
Can you provide documentation of this being done purely to account for the curvature of the earth?

[Anonymous No.10464665]

>>10464635
oh so Carl Sagan was also a satanist? hmmm. trump being a satanist makes sense though. is the average university professor in on the satanism too? they seem to reference round earth and heliocentrism a lot

[Anonymous No.10464666]

>>10464639
Do you not know how planes work? They can pitch down at a set speed by using ailerons.

>now show this in practice.
No. I have shown that the amount of rotation to account for the curvature is too small for people on a plane to notice. Which was what you have asked of me. I'm not going to chase another thing you brought up while you ignore the points I've made.

How about you bring up evidence that somehow pitching down is "impossible if the earth is a globe" in >>10464584 .

[Anonymous No.10464673]

>>10464646
no but for sure they automatically adjust to keep a stable altitude because of air currents. dead reckoning wouldn’t work that well for an autopilot or even a pilot in fog/clouds/night time

[Anonymous No.10464676]

Since flatties can't behave themselves and actually argue for the flat Earth, instead they'll ignore points against the flat Earth while continually asking for more evidence, here is a list of things that falsify the flat Earth notion.

>South Celestial pole don't real
>Sunsets and sunrises don't real
>Timezones don't real
>Ships sailing out disappearing bottom first don't real
> Eddystone Lighthouse don't real
>Australia don't real
>Eratosthenes don't real
>Hurricanes don't real
>Kelper Orbital Mechanics don't real
>Gravity don't real
>Earthquakes don't real
>Cosmic Microwave Background don't real
>Moon Landings don't real
>Maritime Navigation don't real
>Space don't real
>Alfred Russel Wallace don't real
>The Sun's near constant angular diameter don't real
>Gyroscopes don't real
>Euclidean geometery don't real
>Airlines don't real
>Perspective don't real
>Moon phases don't real
>Eclipses don't real
>Cartography don't real
>Galileo don't real
>Private space companies don't real
>Japan don't real
>Plate tectonics don't real
>Satellite TV don't real
>GPS don't real
>Soviet Union don't real
>Earth's magnetic field don't real
>Stellar parallax don't real
>Cassini don't real

These things exist, they're impossible on a flat Earth, ergo the flat Earth is falsified.

[Anonymous No.10464681]

>>10464619
>Good thing the ancient orders didn't use the metric system.
They preferred imperial.
>FYI the speed changes between 30.28km/s and 29.3km/s.
Yes, but what is the average speed in MPH?
>Because they're big and in space.
No other reason?
>Because it sounds cool.
What about it being symbolic to the occult?
>I don't give a fuck.
Why? He was a thelemite occultist who started JPL that later formed into NASA. But who cares right?
>Because they had valuable engineering know-how that was useful to the US. Soviet Union did the same thing. Rockets make good weapons.
Or maybe they were masters of propaganda and control? The rockets were only part of the equation, the moon landings still needed to be faked.

[Anonymous No.10464684]

>>10464033
>>10464159
>>10464210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0QRpid5_QU

[Anonymous No.10464688]

>>10464628
Was it flat?

[Anonymous No.10464705]

>>10464688
nah the part i saw (the southern tip i assume) had big mountain ranges

[Anonymous No.10464709]

>>10464665
>oh so Carl Sagan was also a satanist? hmmm.
A Luciferian, pic related.
>is the average university professor in on the satanism too?
Unlikely, which is why they're just an average university professor. Ones who have had success will be members of fellowships etc.

[Anonymous No.10464725]

>>10464709
ohhhh okay so when you get elected to the APS or something, that's when they initiate you? how do they prevent the initiates from spilling the beans? are they all under death threats or something?

also, what level in the satanism heirarchy do you need to be at to learn the "ancient knowledge"? do all members get taught the ancient knowledge or just the top guys? if just topguys, who would be an example of a top guy?

[Anonymous No.10464726]

>>10464666
>Do you not know how planes work? They can pitch down at a set speed by using ailerons.
I know brainlet, the point is they don't do this to account for earth's curvature.

Proof, skip to 50s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmjKRktNzVc

>How about you bring up evidence that somehow pitching down is "impossible if the earth is a globe" in
Not saying it isn't brainlet, I'm saying they don't pitch down to maintain altitude.

[Anonymous No.10464728]

>>10464673
>no but for sure they automatically adjust to keep a stable altitude because of air currents. dead reckoning wouldn’t work that well for an autopilot or even a pilot in fog/clouds/night time
Talking about earth's curvature, which is constantly causing the earth's surface to get lower and lower and facing a different angle. This should be easy to prove if the earth is a globe.

[Anonymous No.10464729]

>>10464681
>They preferred imperial.
The british statute mile on which the US mile is based upon was defined in the 16th century by methods that are very outdated by modern standards (it was re-defined on basis of the metric system in 1959).
Here's an overview of the gazilllion types of "miles" that existed during history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mile#U.S._survey_mile
>Yes, but what is the average speed in MPH?
If you can't figure that out for yourself
GET THE FUCK OFF /SCI/
>No other reason?
Half of the myths of ancient greece describe stories of guys being rewarded in a way that makes them appear as star constellations. Orion for example. Planets were thought of as more significant because they move, hence being named after more powerful figures.
Ancients had no idea that Uranus, Neptun etc existed; these were discovered in modern times. The naming convention was kept up out of tradition by the astronomers who discovered them.
>What about it being symbolic to the occult?
I don't give a fuck about the occult.
>But who cares right?
Exactly.
>Or maybe they were masters of propaganda and control?
Those were jailed executed. The ones in Paperclip were engineers and scientists.

[Anonymous No.10464740]

>>10464709
>A Luciferian, pic related.
Me saying "It made sense for people in the past to believe in God"
Doesn't make me a Christian. Stop dragging the name of a great scientist through the mud.

[Anonymous No.10464753]

>>10464726
>Proof, skip to 50s
I have already told you that the amount to adjust for to account for curvature is very small, imperceptible, for planes that are flying long distances and are flying very quickly. That pilot's plane seems to be incapable of doing either things so the amount to adjust by would be even smaller. Also one pilot's opinion doesn't outweigh the fact that the Earth's surface is curved. See >>10464676

>Not saying it isn't brainlet, I'm saying they don't pitch down to maintain altitude.
They do, it's just that the amount to compensate for is very small compared to everything else going on during a flight, and thus in compensating for those other things they end up making the TINY amount of compensation for the curvature.

This while "debate" also ignores that there is other evidence for the curvature.

[Anonymous No.10464757]

>>10464383
really need to add seasons to this list

[Anonymous No.10464763]

>>10464676
Clearly there's nothing to worry about is there globecuck? You're on a spinning ball flying through the infinite vacuum of space, I mean it's obvious!

[Anonymous No.10464773]

>>10464705
And they were curving around a spheroid, right?

[Anonymous No.10464774]

>>10464681
>muh occult

>Greeks discover planets and name them after gods
>Modern men see more planets and continue the tradition along with their space missions because it seems fitting
Wow that was difficult

[Anonymous No.10464800]

>>10464607
wait, but if all the aussies are in ohio, then where are the ohioans?

[Anonymous No.10464804]

>>10464757
I've thought about it, but flatties have an explanation that the orbit of the Sun above the disk changes it's radius. Which may explain the seasons on a flat Earth, but doesn't really explain anything else.

>>10464763
>I mean it's obvious!
It is obvious if you bother to look. If you look out on a sunset, then you can clearly see the Sun head downwards. If you look out on a sunrise, then you can clearly see the Sun head upwards. Another thing that you should also notice is that time-zones exist. So for you it may be sunset, someone further West of you would see the Sun directly overhead. Someone else even further West would see the Sun rise. How is this possible? The only explanation that can explain this consistently is that the Earth's surface is curved. How does the flat Earth model explain it? It doesn't, it just postulates that light bends on it's own in such a way that by an amazing coincidence it's exactly what one would expect if the Earth were round.

Yep! That's right! Even light is in on the conspiracy!

Do flatties ever explain how light bends in this way? No. They'll say perspective or atmospheric refraction, but when someone shows that both perspective and refraction don't work that way the flatties would just postulate that it's a special form of perspective or refraction. Do they explain this special phenomenon? No.

That's right! Flatties can't even explain how days and night occur! Meanwhile the "evil" and "fake" globe Earth model has made regular and accurate predictions of reality.

[Anonymous No.10464811]

>>10464804
But does it explain why the northern and southern hemispheres experience opposite seasons?

[Anonymous No.10464823]

>>10464773
well, they looked like mountains would look from a plane at normal cruising altitude.... i just googled for "greenland from airplane" and pic related is what it looked like.

you have flown in a plane and looked out the window before, right? does it look to you like a spheroid? no, obviously normal cruising altitude doesn't really get you high enough to see curvature

[Anonymous No.10464829]

>>10464811
Eh, kinda? Not really?
I haven't encountered a flattie attempt to tackle the seasons yet.

[Anonymous No.10464838]

>>10464800
they're in Indiana.

[Anonymous No.10464847]

>>10464725
More often than not you will be born into it, and you'll be sent to the same schools/universities as other families born into it. Hence why so many Presidents have been a part of skull and bones.
>how do they prevent the initiates from spilling the beans? are they all under death threats or something?
Brainwashing.
>also, what level in the satanism heirarchy do you need to be at to learn the "ancient knowledge"?
You'd need to be born into a particular bloodline to have access to the most valuable. Regular plebs can join things like the freemasons to get access to entry level stuff, and work their way up.
>if just topguys, who would be an example of a top guy?
They're smart enough to not stand out, the most senior likely aren't even in the public eye. But heads of religions will be pretty high up there, the Pope for example. The Dalai lama. Royal families (black nobility).

[Anonymous No.10464866]

>>10464847
lol okay. the pope. good troll, that was fun

[Anonymous No.10464875]

Why is it flat?
Not why people are lying about it, but why is it the shape of the Earth flat?

[Anonymous No.10464884]

>>10464729
>If you can't figure that out for yourself
>GET THE FUCK OFF /SCI/
What's wrong, don't want to type it? What was the year that Newton created the theory of gravity?
>The naming convention was kept up out of tradition by the astronomers who discovered them.
Because they're part of the same occult tradition.
>I don't give a fuck about the occult.
Yeah, just ignore it.
>Those were jailed executed. The ones in Paperclip were engineers and scientists.
Jej, Wernher von Braun sure wrote a lot of sci-fi for an "engineer".

[Anonymous No.10464889]

>>10464740
Are you a child of the sun and stars?

[Anonymous No.10464900]

>>10464753
You haven't actually proven that planes need to account for curvature - the further a plane travels above a sphere earth, the surface of the earth will curve away exponentially unless the plane is constantly adjusting for it.

So prove planes constantly adjust for it.

[Anonymous No.10464909]

>>10464774
Why have they been named as such for so long brainlet? You don't think other religions would have wanted to rename them?

[Anonymous No.10464910]

>>10464900
No. You're ignoring the points that I have brought up time and time again.

I'll refer you to >>10464676

[Anonymous No.10464919]

>>10464804
Aren't sunsets/sunrises optical illusions in your model? Hardly strong evidence.

[Anonymous No.10464925]

>>10464823
Are the clouds curving around a spheroid in that picture?

[Anonymous No.10464928]

>>10464889
It's a poetic metaphor.
We're made up from material that was created during the death of a star.

[Anonymous No.10464946]

>>10464829
>seasons
How about this:
The sun gets eaten by the great celestial anon, as if it were a really hot pizza. This makes it getting cooler on earth and causes winter. But he never really finishes it, and from the remains the sun regrows. It's full again in summer, when the sky-dwelling anon gets hungry again.
Should he ever finish the pizza, the world will end. For this reason, the aztecs sacrificed humans in a horrific way, to make sky-anon nauseous and lose his appetite.

You can not see it, because the sun is too bright to look into directly.

[Anonymous No.10464949]

>>10464884
okay, let's see if i can recap your theory here and compare it against round earth theory:
>you
First of all, the earth is flat. The fact that most people think it's round is because of a conspiracy of satanists who prefer heliocentrism because the sun is a symbol of lucifer. these satanists hold "ancient knowledge" that allows them to create false realities, and not only are trump and sagan in the cult of satanists, but scientists/professors are initiated into this group when they join scientific societies like the American Physical Society. upon initiation, they are brainwashed so that they don't leak the knowledge of the presence of the secret satanic society. the society is headed by elite bloodlines, and only these shadowy leaders from elite bloodlines know the ancient knowledge -- these leaders include the Pope, the Dalai Lama, and African Nobility. because the Nazis practiced occultism, the reason rocket engineers were brought to the US from Germany is because they knew how to create the afformentioned false realities using their mastery of propaganda granted by their ancient knowledge--Werner von Braun wrote science fiction, thus implying he was taking part in this mass propaganda campaign. Airlines fly their planes along curved routes as a psyop to trick people into round earth, which is simply propaganda by the satanist elite bloodline holders of ancient knowledge.
>roundearthers
airline pilots fly the quickest routes to save fuel and time. eratosthenes in 100 B.C. was able to deduce the diameter of the earth by comparing the lengths of shadows in two different cities and hiring a guy to make the journey to measure the distance between where the shadows were formed. there are two celestial poles in the sky, and you can ask an australian if they have any sort of southern polaris if you don't believe us. there is no shadowy society of ultra-powerful satanic people initiating established science and brainwashing them, led by the pope

accurate?

[Anonymous No.10464969]

>>10464919
By "your model" I assume you mean the "globe model"? If so, then no. Sunsets/sunrises are due to the Earth rotating about 15 degrees/hour.

This explains why everything in the sky that isn't an aircraft or a cloud moves across the sky at the same rate and doesn't change in apparent size. It also explains why rockets that go to space tend to launch eastward, they're taking advantage of the extra velocity given by the rotation of the Earth. It also explains the coriolis effect seen in hurricanes and typhoons. This also explains time-zones. This also explains the path of the Sun across the sky for differing latitudes.

Notice how round Earth explanations can provide regular predictions about the world. Not only that, but also the explanations can also be applied to things beyond the original observations. This is a sign that a model is valid.

[Anonymous No.10464979]

>>10464928
>It's a poetic metaphor.
Very scientific...
>We're made up from material that was created during the death of a star.
If stars can die, then they must have been alive. You are treating suns/stars as if they are deities. Sun = Son of God. You know what else was considered a son of God?

[Anonymous No.10464991]

>>10464884
>same occult tradition
Yeah, some call it "western culture"
>What was the year that Newton created the theory of gravity?
Idn. What matters to scientists is when was it published, namely in 1686. Anything mysterious about that number?
>Jej, Wernher von Braun sure wrote a lot of sci-fi for an "engineer".
So, what? Let me guess: Hubbard wrote SciFi, and he was bad, therefore anybody who writes scifi is bad. Is that so?

[Anonymous No.10465009]

>>10464979
I'm not the anon you're replying to, but I have a question about this conspiracy that you're proposing.

Why? Why lie about the shape of the Earth? Like what >>10464513 has said, such a conspiracy required millions of people to be in on it in some way. That is a large amount of work needed to not only keep the shape of the Earth hidden, but also keep itself hidden. So why go through that effort? You cite religious reasons, but if some cultists want to impose their worldview on to their followers, then wouldn't it be easier to do what most cults do an just isolate themselves from others so that their views won't get questioned? If the conspiracy is for some other purpose, then what is it?

[Anonymous No.10465012]

>>10464979
>Very scientific...
Yes, you can be a scientist and still have emotions.
>alive.
The same way we use the word "dead" when referring to a dead car battery. That doesn't mean the battery was "alive" in the way you describe it.
>You know what else was considered a son of God?
A million different figures from humanity's countless religions and myths. People like to make shit up.

[Anonymous No.10465013]

>>10464949
There's only so much that can be typed in a single thread. If you don't believe the majority of the population can be deceived into false beliefs then you will never be able to consider that the globe/universe you've been taught could be a lie.

I don't subscribe to any particular model of the earth, but I understand why the globe is accepted. I can't accept it until space becomes commercialised. It's taken far too long, so something is being hidden and spacecucks simply can't admit it, only make the same tired excuses.

[Anonymous No.10465022]

>>10465009
Not the anon you asked, but a common answer is "Why should I know? You'd have to as THEM!".

[Anonymous No.10465027]

>>10465013
>I can't accept it until space becomes commercialised.
It already is. Look into how the GPS system works.

[Anonymous No.10465029]

>>10464487
a laser would be multiple miles wide by the time it reached the moon

[Anonymous No.10465036]

>>10464579
are you suggesting that we used Nazi Space Wizards to put men on the moon?

[Anonymous No.10465043]

>>10465013
i like how you completely ignore the whole recap of your super-elaborate and breathtakingly evil conspiracy theory. sorry buddy, you are a paranoid schizophrenic

[Anonymous No.10465046]

>>10464969
>By "your model" I assume you mean the "globe model"? If so, then no. Sunsets/sunrises are due to the Earth rotating about 15 degrees/hour.
So explain what "advanced sunrise/delayed sunset" is.
>This explains why everything in the sky that isn't an aircraft or a cloud moves across the sky at the same rate and doesn't change in apparent size.
Do clouds curve around the earth as they move away from view?

Do you believe that the Foucault pendulum shows the earth rotating?

>Notice how round Earth explanations can provide regular predictions about the world. Not only that, but also the explanations can also be applied to things beyond the original observations. This is a sign that a model is valid.
Doesn't mean it's correct, and some of it is retarded.

[Anonymous No.10465048]

>>10465013
>If you don't believe the majority of the population can be deceived into false beliefs
I believe it, but you have to consider the scale of the falsity in contrast to all the evidence that points towards the opposite. Everything the Nazi or Soviet propaganda made up PALES IN COMPARISON to the stuff flat-earthers make up. It almost makes the Nazis and Soviet ideas look sensible.

[Anonymous No.10465051]

>>10465022
If that's the case, then the claim can be rejected.

And before a flattie comes along and uses the "detective denying that a murder had happened" analogy, motive plays a big role in determining who the murderer is, and it helps in the search for evidence. Evidence that the conspiracy theory doesn't have, and thus with no evidence and no motive the theory can be rejected.

And no, claiming that the "Establishment" are Sun worshipers isn't evidence either. There needs to be solid evidence such as leaked documents (which is inevitable considering how large the theory has to be). Or a flat Earth model which explains as many things as the "round Earth model" does, but better and simpler.

[Anonymous No.10465055]

>>10464991
>Yeah, some call it "western culture"
>Idn. What matters to scientists is when was it published, namely in 1686. Anything mysterious about that number?
Jej, why are you afraid of typing the number?
>So, what? Let me guess: Hubbard wrote SciFi, and he was bad, therefore anybody who writes scifi is bad. Is that so?
It's used to create false realities. Scientology being the most blatant example of this.

[Anonymous No.10465056]

>>10465029
>multiple miles
Just a few feet actually, it's still focused enough so enough light can be reflected back by the mirror.

[Anonymous No.10465068]

>>10465055
>It's used to create false realities.
ALL STORIES DO THIS. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
Btw Hitler was a painter. Is everyone who paints somebody with a secret agenda to control brains via made-up realities depicted in their paintings?

[Anonymous No.10465071]

>>10464946
>>10464946

[Anonymous No.10465075]

>>10465055
oh shit muh nigga 1666? foreal?

yo redpill me on reptilians

[Anonymous No.10465078]

>>10465046
>So explain what "advanced sunrise/delayed sunset" is.
This link provides an explanation.
https://www.slideshare.net/ednexa/advance-sunrise-and-delayed-sunset
What the phenomenon does is shift the expected time of a sunset or sunrise due to atmospheric refraction. It's modeled perfectly well on a spherical Earth.

>Do clouds curve around the earth as they move away from view?
Yes if you can see a cloud that far away, but you ignored the rest of my point. In fact, you've ignored my other points.

>Do you believe that the Foucault pendulum shows the earth rotating?
I don't believe, I know. Also gyroscopes show that the Earth rotates as well, as demonstrated by flattie Bob Knodel.

>Doesn't mean it's correct...
Sure, no model is absolutely correct. But models which take into account the curvature of the Earth are generally more accurate than models which don't. The usefulness of a model to make predictions shows how correct it is.

>...and some of it is retarded.
I don't care what you think. Reality doesn't care what you think. And the reality is that the Earth curves.

[Anonymous No.10465117]

>>10464800
South Carolina
- t. South Carolinian
>>10465056
wikipedia claims you're full of shit, pic related
here's the pdf that's linked http://tmurphy.physics.ucsd.edu/papers/rop-llr.pdf
I haven't read it

[Anonymous No.10465123]

>>10464949
Man, Occam's razor makes real short work of this one.

[Anonymous No.10465131]

>>10465009
It doesn't require millions of people - but the whole point is to create a false reality that everyone believes in order to control the world. As cliche as it sounds, people have always wanted to control the world, but they have always failed because the world fights back. It cannot be done militarily.

Instead, you have to control what people think the world actually is. This can be done under the guise of science, when it's actually a cloaked religion, theories instead of theologies, professors instead of preachers, forces and laws of nature instead of God. If you believe that billions of people have been deceived into believing Christianity or Islam, what makes you think you haven't been deceived into a religion yourself?

[Anonymous No.10465140]

>>10465123
This.
Flatties claim that there is a conspiracy which has millions of people working for it, and has been around since the 14th century, yet it has never been exposed.

If there were such a perfect all encompassing conspiracy happening right now, then how can one distinguish it's existence from it's non-existence? Any evidence that could be found to falsify the conspiracy theory is often explained away by "((they)) intentionally planted the evidence for their non-existence to cover themselves up". So the theory is un-falsifiable and can be rejected immediately.

If you are a flattie, then explain what would falsify your conspiracy theory.

[Anonymous No.10465141]

>>10465012
>Yes, you can be a scientist and still have emotions.
Sounds religious to me.
>The same way we use the word "dead" when referring to a dead car battery. That doesn't mean the battery was "alive" in the way you describe it.
Not the same because you don't consider yourself the child of dead batteries, nor do you worship batteries.

[Anonymous No.10465156]

>>10465131
>It doesn't require millions of people
Yes it does.

>a false reality that everyone believes in order to control the world
How is accepting a model which makes consistent and accurate predictions about the world somehow tied to world domination?

>Instead, you have to control what people think the world actually is... (etc)
Do you have evidence of this conspiracy? Do you have evidence that explains how the fact that the Earth curves fits into all of the theory? What would convince you that the conspiracy doesn't exist?

[Anonymous No.10465162]

>>10465027
>It already is. Look into how the GPS system works.
The whole concept of orbiting satellite GPS is absurd and mathematically impossible in reality.

[Anonymous No.10465164]

>>10465162
>The whole concept of orbiting satellite GPS is absurd and mathematically impossible in reality.
Really? Then show us these calculations.
We'll wait.

[Anonymous No.10465170]

>>10464247
>Tfw not a paid shill but still believe in a globe Earth
Feels bad being a brainlet :(

[Anonymous No.10465177]

>>10465036
They definitely helped to fake it. It was an occult ritual broadcast to the world. Freemason Buzz Aldrin did the honors.

[Anonymous No.10465181]

>>10464411
Flerfers don't believe/understand how commercial air travel disproves their shit; I expect the same reaction to commercial manned space travel.

[Anonymous No.10465194]

>>10464526
>what are the motives of those behind the conspiracy?
>You'd have to ask them.
So you have a theory, but you don't know what the theory is?

[Anonymous No.10465196]

>>10465181
Flatties don't even believe/understand how sunsets and sunrises work.

Think about that for a moment. They see the Sun setting behind the horizon, and they doubt what they can clearly see.