/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10131133]

What's with liberals and science?

[Anonymous No.10131136]

>>10131133

[Anonymous No.10131138]

>>10131136

[Anonymous No.10131139]

>>10131133
humanitiestards being über-liberals not understanding that most scientists are moderate liberals already and making us all ashamed that humanities in academia are so fucking off the rails with their "yay trannies" shit

[Anonymous No.10131141]

>>10131138

[Anonymous No.10131142]

>>10131133
They replaced the Bible for Harry Potter.

[Anonymous No.10131143]

>>10131136
>>10131138
well these are more reasonable. i like the muh 50's one, bretty good

[Anonymous No.10131145]

>>10131141

[Anonymous No.10131146]

>>10131145

[Anonymous No.10131149]

all of the pictures so far except the OP pic and the nonsense cartoon one seem pretty based

[Anonymous No.10131150]

>>10131146
>i fucking LOVE science!

[Anonymous No.10131154]

>>10131149

[Anonymous No.10131158]

>>10131154

[Anonymous No.10131165]

>>10131133
i am science so i am smart
now i can say whatever i want cuz i am science
if u disagree u are against science which makes u dumb

[Anonymous No.10131174]

>>10131145
>it's true whether or not you belive[sic] in it

Bullshit. Science is not about truth but models and if nobody uses a model, it may as well not exist in the first place.

[Anonymous No.10131178]

>>10131145
>climate still
>change real
huh

[Anonymous No.10131186]

>>10131174
no, it's about saying things like "if you cool water below 32 degrees fahrenheit at atmospheric pressure, it will freeze". empirical facts

[Anonymous No.10131190]

>>10131186
32 degrees Fahrenheit is a model in itself. The problem is that lay people don't understand that science has produced physics that is 99.99999% accurate.

[Anonymous No.10131192]

>>10131186
Stamp collecting isn't science.

[Anonymous No.10131194]

>>10131186
Wrong, supercooling is a thing.

[Anonymous No.10131196]

Science has been politicized by the left in recent years (this is compounded with fact that more left wingers are atheistic, so the choose science to "worship"). That isn't to say it has never been politicized by the right
t. liberal

[Anonymous No.10131201]

This thread doesn't belong here

[Anonymous No.10131204]

>>10131201
yeah, report and sage

[Anonymous No.10131209]

>>10131201
Science related

[Anonymous No.10131222]

>>10131209
Tangentially, at best. More like an excuse to post sjw epic fails and [math]\mathbb{basedboys}[/math].

[Anonymous No.10131233]

Science is naturally left-wing. That does not mean that all left-wing people are pro-science, but certainly all right-wing people are anti-science.

For example take Ted Cruz. His parents are both mathematics graduates. But they chose to make their money in the oil business. That choice was certainly influenced by their philosophy of life and their political ideology. And now of course Ted Cruz lies about climate change.

[Anonymous No.10131317]

>>10131233
I'm right wing pro science more so than most liberals. There's a difference between believing climate change and scaring the shit out of and guilting the average person for your own ego complex

[Anonymous No.10131323]

>>10131233
Indeed Comrade Lysenko, Science confirms exactly to what The Party has decided it to say!

[Anonymous No.10131327]

>>10131317
You prove my point.

[Anonymous No.10131368]

>>10131233
Oil is anti-science? I am confused. Props for his parent doing the right thing, and not remaining dumb pure mathematicians.

[Anonymous No.10131371]

>>10131136
What's with that Einstein sign?

[Anonymous No.10131374]

>>10131368
the oil industry finances a bunch of shill scientists to muddy the waters of real science

[Anonymous No.10131386]

>>10131374
I guess it depends on what exactly they did in the industry

[Anonymous No.10131390]

>>10131138
>tiny hands

So these collectives have made a huge deal of why body shaming is bad and everything. Yet humiliating/disqualifying a man for having a small dick (because lets be honest, that's what the hand statement aims to do) is suddenly valid?

Fucking hypocrite roasties, I don't like Trump but I would never attack a man based on the size of his hands and the implications that conveys.

[Anonymous No.10131393]

>>10131390
it is mocking Ted Cruz and Trump for reducing the republican debates to sideways dick measuring references

[Anonymous No.10131397]

>>10131165
wamen aren't science!

[Anonymous No.10131398]

>>10131386
The point is that they put themselves in a situation where acknowledging mainstream science would directly hurt their profits. When you put yourself in that situation you can hardly claim to be pro-science.

[Anonymous No.10131402]

>>10131327
I'm actually a counter example

[Anonymous No.10131407]

>>10131133
At least the left isn't anti-science like the right.

[Anonymous No.10131413]

>>10131133

Serious answer:

Leftists are extremely extraverted and feel best when the Other imposes itself onto them.

[Anonymous No.10131418]

>>10131413
>t. never met introvert scientist who lives off federal research grant money

[Anonymous No.10131419]

>>10131133
reality has a liberal bias.

[Anonymous No.10131420]

>>10131413
>Leftists are extremely extraverted
wat

[Anonymous No.10131422]

>>10131374
But the scientists on the other "side" aren't shills?

[Anonymous No.10131423]

>>10131407
what about studying vaccines, true scientific inquiry dosent look kindly to individuals that ostracize people who want to study vaccines. There is basically nothing in terms of experiments that we have with regard to vaccines, yet if you try to set up an experiment you are shunned.

[Anonymous No.10131425]

>>10131418
Introvert scientists arent usually leftist.

[Anonymous No.10131427]

>>10131133
please don’t post here anymore retard

[Anonymous No.10131429]

>>10131418
>>10131420

Extraversion as Epistemology, in the roughly Jungian sense. Extraverts think truth is determined "externally", by how Empirical it is, how many people agree with it, how loud it is presented, how much it is repeated, etc.

[Anonymous No.10131430]

>>10131413
>and feel best when the Other imposes itself onto them.
That's literally the right-wing mindset, you want someone to dominate you and dictate your life.

[Anonymous No.10131432]

>>10131423
What are you talking about? Researchers are always trying to find new vaccines.

[Anonymous No.10131434]

>>10131422
well they're not getting paid by people who have a vested interest (billions of dollars) in the scientist producing the result that they want. the "other side" are people working in academia or national laboratories who won't get fired if they don't produce a result desired by their corporate boss, so they just publish unbiased science.

keep in mind that there are anti-oil industries, like clean energy industries, who hire their own shill scientists who are biased too, but in the opposite direction. likewise they suck balls

the reason academic scientists are not shills is because unlike the corporate "thinktank" science people, they're not taking money to push a preordained message that the corps want. but shills are out there because corporations want more monies. so just discredit anybody who's "acknowledgements" section of their publications references grants from corporations or from corporations' shady "foundations" or "thinktanks"

[Anonymous No.10131435]

>>10131425
No. They are usually full blown communists.

[Anonymous No.10131437]

>>10131429
>Extraverts think truth is determined "externally", by how Empirical it is, how many people agree with it, how loud it is presented, how much it is repeated, etc.
This describes the conservatives i.e. people who uncritically hold beliefs which have been held by their ancestors.

[Anonymous No.10131441]

>>10131429
that’s stupid.
>>10131430
Leftist systems have only ever been authoritatian. The catalan and ukrainian anarchists had slave labor and concentration camps and organizef themselves militarily. Every other Left leaning gov that’s existed was a one-party dictatorship. In Liberal societies Capital, social status determine your freedom and currently because of the natural course of development of inheritance laws, and corporate subsidies which create oligopolist gov by private sector this is getting worse every decade with google being one of the apertures of the State now. Lolbertarian belief is not even possible because of social cheating and finance being a plague on productive industries

[Anonymous No.10131443]

>>10131432
He's saying, "science"=="NAZI experiments" so therefore because ethics exists leftists don't like science.
It's a very HIGH IQ post. That's why you didn't understand him.

[Anonymous No.10131450]

>>10131141
muh hollywood movies that always show a distorted view of mathematics and science, but lets have double standards and use those garbage movies to re-affirm my position

>>10131145
muh pop-sci idol who is nothing more than an overrated pseudo-intellectual prick, but hey lets use him as a reference despite being actual scientists I could reference because he is what the media has sold me as an unquestionable figure

>>10131154
Do I even need to say it?

[Anonymous No.10131451]

>>10131441
Ideologically, right-wingers think being dominated is good. Left-wingers think it is bad.

[Anonymous No.10131458]

>>10131441
That is a very disingenuous retelling of history. The communist countries were previously authoritarians right-wing regimes and communist was relatively more free than what it replaced. You cannot compare it to western liberal democracies and pretend like that was an option.

[Anonymous No.10131463]

>>10131451
Ideologically, right supports social hierarchies, which isn't about "dominating" someone but about organising society for a common benefit.

Left is against social hierarchies but it effectively means destroying and actually dominating anyone who wants to build them. And this is just ideology, you also have pragmatic problems with leftism always sliding into authoritarianism.

[Anonymous No.10131465]

>>10131458
> Russian empire was less free than the USSR
We got to THIS point of historical revisionism already, nice.

[Anonymous No.10131467]

>>10131465
he's right though. ever heard of "serfs"?

[Anonymous No.10131471]

>>10131434
But oil companies don't deny anthropogenic climate change, and are invested in green energy companies so are set to profit from it too.

And how do you know government funded scientists aren't paid to produce results that support climate change, and would get fired for not producing those results? If you research the models they are using, it certainly seems like they've been tweaked to produce projections in favour of climate change.

[Anonymous No.10131472]

>>10131467
I am Russian, dont try to educate me on Russian history.

[Anonymous No.10131477]

>>10131233
Facts and logic have a liberal bias. It's no accident that the vast majority of thinkers and high IQ intellectual elites are leftist.
Yes, some high IQ's end up right-wing, not because they can debunk leftist logic, but because they can nullify it with cynicism or nihilism, which is why most high IQ right-wing are autists or schizos.

[Anonymous No.10131493]

>>10131471
>But oil companies don't deny anthropogenic climate change, and are invested in green energy companies so are set to profit from it too.
well, sort of by definition, oil companies are based on oil. oil prices will collapse if we e.g. invent a clean, cheap, renewable energy, and it will put them out of business, or at least will require them to do like you're saying and move into the replacement technology

>And how do you know government funded scientists aren't paid to produce results that support climate change, and would get fired for not producing those results?
because they are employed by universities. and the way the grants work is that once a grant is awarded, then it's set in stone; they can't go back and take the research money away after that (i.e. after seeing e.g. your results). the people reviewing grant applications are usually experts in the field and don't have elected jobs, so they're in principle apolitical, and usually the deciding factor on whether they approve a grant proposal is stuff like looking at the researcher's credentials (like publications and number of citations and what faculty/postdoc positions they've done), the university where the researcher works, and stuff like that.

of course you could argue that government funding of research might not be as ideal as i've described it, nothing is, but it's for sure a heck of a lot better than corporate-funded thinktanks where everybody knows what the boss wants to hear and can be fired at will

[Anonymous No.10131503]

>>10131493
>and the way the grants work is that once a grant is awarded, then it's set in stone
And you think once they have gotten a project financed they'll never need funding again?
Universities are one large shitshow of power struggle and selling your workforce to the highest bidder

[Anonymous No.10131504]

>>10131458
>communism was more free
>literally stripped of your basic rights to own property
Imagine being this low IQ

[Anonymous No.10131507]

>reality has liberal bias

I'd argue that liberals have shifted far to the center, and conservatives have swung way far to the right. So far to the right that they're borderline delusional. This wasn't always this way. It's almost as if conservatives are under direct attack. I'd be willing to bet the USSR has been manipulating things very long term for this end goal.

During the cold war it was the Republicans who where their biggest critics. USSR takes long term plans to undermine and destroy them. The soviet unions falls, but their agents are still in play, and long term plans can't be halted. Even with no communication these agents continue to act and function. Even with no USSR they continue their goal of destroying the republican party from the inside.

>but, Trump is friends with Putin and Russia
True, but trump isn't a true repubican. He was a democrat, and switched so he could run. Now the runs the entire republican party and will do long term damage to the party.


TL;DR
it's not reality is liberally bias, but conservatives are being steered away from reality into delusions and crazy conspiracy theory town to undermine them

[Anonymous No.10131518]

>>10131493
Oil won't go away, even if we discover cold fusion tomorrow. Everything is made out of oil. Your computer, your clothes, your furniture. Your food is grown with oil, shipped with oil, packaged in oil. Hell, you probably even pay for it with a card made out of oil. Every material or substance invented in the past one hundred years is probably made out of oil.

[Anonymous No.10131519]

>>10131477
>liberals and leftists believe theres 40 genders
>they think populations of humans seperated for hundreds of thousands of years have no evolutionary differences except the pigment of their skin
>facts and logic have a liberal bias
My sides

[Anonymous No.10131527]

>>10131493
>well, sort of by definition, oil companies are based on oil. oil prices will collapse if we e.g. invent a clean, cheap, renewable energy, and it will put them out of business, or at least will require them to do like you're saying and move into the replacement technology
I thought oil was supposed to be running out anyway? So surely they've always been interested in funding the next generation of energy to make even more money.

>because they are employed by universities. and the way the grants work is that once a grant is awarded, then it's set in stone; they can't go back and take the research money away after that (i.e. after seeing e.g. your results). the people reviewing grant applications are usually experts in the field and don't have elected jobs, so they're in principle apolitical, and usually the deciding factor on whether they approve a grant proposal is stuff like looking at the researcher's credentials (like publications and number of citations and what faculty/postdoc positions they've done), the university where the researcher works, and stuff like that.
Universities are left-wing, so it seems impossible to be apolitical in such an environment. I imagine denying climate change would threaten your position or at the very least alienate you from everyone.

>of course you could argue that government funding of research might not be as ideal as i've described it, nothing is, but it's for sure a heck of a lot better than corporate-funded thinktanks where everybody knows what the boss wants to hear and can be fired at will
I think this applies to scientists being inclined to support left-wing ideology to keep their position secure.

[Anonymous No.10131535]

>>10131413
back to >>/x/ or >>/pol/ you go

[Anonymous No.10131539]

>>10131477
>Africans and Latinos have HUNDREDS of failed countries, cities and towns without a single one that is successful, but if we import more of them, America will be better

The intelligence of leftist professors is zero

[Anonymous No.10131542]

It is unironically the new religion and form of people control. They can wield around "scientists say" as a tool and form of authority where it used to be "God says".

[Anonymous No.10131543]

>>10131519
>all that strawmanning

>>10131539
>((($ucce$$ful)))

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you: low IQ right wing brainlets.

[Anonymous No.10131552]

>>10131477

Politics don't have a "right" answer. With that said, race and IQ denial is retarded, socialism support is retarded, as both have heavy empirical and logical backing.

[Anonymous No.10131554]

>>10131542
This is, in itself, a correct statement, that if science says something then this is correct. But today leftists managed to coopt science and also convince people that social science is science.
>>10131543
You can't be serious.

[Anonymous No.10131555]

>>10131186
Nature is probabilistic, even if you freeze water down at absolute zero. Still, quantum fluctuations remain which could possibly combine to water in liquid or even gas state.

[Anonymous No.10131560]

>>10131402
If you recognized the validity of modern climate science models you’d come to the same alarming conclusions that we’re absolutely fucked and being scared is a completely rational response. Instead you live in your own little pretend world of moderation whilst denying the infrastructure of our fragile civil society starting to crumble before our own eyes. Once the foundation is gone the building topples shortly after.

[Anonymous No.10131561]

>>10131519
>>10131539
>>10131552
>>10131554
>falling for obvious b8

[Anonymous No.10131564]

>>10131542
>new
Nihilists, such as Nietzsche in the 1800's, have been making that argument for millennia. You can even find it in the christian bible.

>>10131552
>p-hacking and dishonest data collection
>empirical backing
Choose one and only one

[Anonymous No.10131566]

>>10131504
>>10131472
What is that supposed to mean? Are you going to deny the existence of serfdom? This is the problem with you people. You think so highly of yourselves that you only ever empathize with the aristocratic classes. You completely forget about the 99.999% of the population that were not in any position of power. Then you come up with this twisted understanding of history where "rich 0.001% owning property" == "there was freedom".

[Anonymous No.10131569]

>>10131543
It’s not a straw man. He didn’t accuse you of believing it, he accused leftists of believing it, which they do

>>10131543
I didn’t say success was only based on money. Quality of life, income, good treatment of women and minorities, education, scientific achievement, only happen in white and Asian countries.

[Anonymous No.10131574]

>>10131566
>people own property, but rich people own more than poor people
VS
>only the government can own anything

Which is more free?

[Anonymous No.10131576]

>>10131477
>Facts and logic have a liberal bias.

Liberal bias is not leftist bias. Most thinkers and high IQ intellectuals (actual ones, meaning only STEM fields count) are centre-left by US standards, centrist elsewhere. Leftists do not like liberals.

[Anonymous No.10131579]

>>10131569
By that logic conservatives and right wingers believe a magical sky fairy will solve the worlds problems.

Just because the most outspoken ones believe in 40 gender nonsense doesn’t mean a vast majority of people who are liberal or lean left do.

[Anonymous No.10131584]

>>10131569
>he accused leftists of believing it, which they do
I never said that leftists tend to have high IQ. I said those who have high IQ tend to be leftist. Do you understand the difference?

[Anonymous No.10131589]

>>10131584
If you have ever set foot in a university you should know why high IQ people lean left because of the culture of academia, they don’t actually think through their opinions

[Anonymous No.10131592]

>>10131560
What exactly do climate models suggest? I am genuinely curious.
>>10131564
> IQ is just p hacking
> I believe in science but only if it is left wing
>>10131566
You know shit. Serfdom was cancelled and everyone was doing ok in the early 20th century Russia. There were problems with some people not having much land, but this is just incomparable with the USSR.
> rich 0.001% owning property
Even if it is true, and it is not, this fact is not bad in itself.

I mean I start to understand Hitler, leftsis are so ignorant you just want to kill them.

[Anonymous No.10131593]

>>10131574
economic slavery is pretty not-free bro. if you compare it to stalinism, that's a pretty low bar; it's like saying "what's more free, jews living under oppresive egytian pharoahs or jews living under oppresive babylonian kings". it's a matter of taste/ideology

[Anonymous No.10131595]

>>10131574
The second of course.

[Anonymous No.10131596]

>>10131576
Liberals form a subset of leftists.

[Anonymous No.10131600]

>>10131593
> economic """slavery"""" is pretty not-free bro
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.10131601]

>>10131574
There is no point in debating if you are being disingenuous.
People did not own property. They were serfs and later tenant farmers. Do you even understand what that means? They worked to subsist. They had nothing of their own.

[Anonymous No.10131609]

>>10131596
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_liberalism

Liberalism is a broadly centrist ideology

[Anonymous No.10131611]

>>10131576
That is horse shit. All the faculty in my department are pretty solid leftists and I'm European.

[Anonymous No.10131615]

>>10131592
You are clearly not Russian. Stop pretending you fake shit.

[Anonymous No.10131616]

>>10131600
the level of socratic argumentation here is stunning; i'm now highly convinced

[Anonymous No.10131618]

>>10131611
And how many of these professional scientists know anything about political theory, public policy, or economics. They comprise a social group with its own set of socially acceptable opinions and their political opinions have absolutely nothing to do with their intelligence

[Anonymous No.10131621]

>>10131609
Wat we today call liberals is actually left liberals. Right left and center is relative anyway. Europe, for example, is so far to the left Macron, May and Merkel are center-right, lol.
>>10131601
> People did not own property.
Farmers did own some land, some moved to cities to become workers.
> Do you even understand what that means?
Yes, I understand that you believe in a Marxist economic theory where property owners "steal" from workers and employment is slavery.

[Anonymous No.10131625]

>>10131615
Я мoгy нaпиcaть oтвeт нa pyccкoм, нo ты жe вce paвнo нe пoвepишь, лeвaцкий мyдaк.

[Anonymous No.10131626]

>>10131611
Your faculty is? Also, people in academia do have a leftist bias due to being paid by taxes, I interact more with privately paid researchers in the industry but they all seem quite centrist to me and certainly no less intelligent than academics.

[Anonymous No.10131627]

reminder to people jabbering on about how academia is liberal:
keep in mind while this is generally true, there are conservative universities. academia is not one big echo-chamber organization; there are institutions and faculty within all institutions with a whole spectrum of political ideas.

[Anonymous No.10131628]

>>10131589
And there's the rebuttal from cynicism, right on time. It certainly couldn't be that the culture of academia values carefully validated ideas and methods, thereby attracting high IQ people.

[Anonymous No.10131631]

If you think economic inequality is not a problem, then you should agree to this arrangement: you get your wealth doubled and everyone else in society gets a billion times as much wealth as you have. Clearly a fair arrangement since your wealth is doubled.

[Anonymous No.10131634]

>>10131626
Math.

[Anonymous No.10131637]

>>10131631
Wow, just wow
You are smart, anon.

[Anonymous No.10131647]

>>10131628
That’d be nice if that were the case but it’s just not true especially in the case of STEM academics. People just don’t have the time to carefully or scientifically construct a sociopolitical worldview and they defer to trusted colleagues and people they associate with. Also the humanities are wildly anti science in their own way in case you didn’t know that