bird sings long melody - is this real?

[Anonymous No.10021823]

In the video a bird is shown repeating a long sequence of tones with rhythm that it cannot possibly have acquired in any other way than learning. Is this fake or can birds really do that?

Pretty sure this takes quite a bit of short term memory to pull off. I don't think you can teach a dog to do a task like this, it would need external cues.
https://youtu.be/UKEPkDvfyz0

[Anonymous No.10021841]

Cockatiels are relatively vocal birds, the calls of the male being more varied than that of the female. Cockatiels can be taught to sing specific melodies and speak many words and phrases.


Don't get me started on ravens.

[Anonymous No.10021844]

>"WE WUZ DINOSAURS N SHIEET"

[Anonymous No.10021867]

>>10021841
Does their intelligence generalize or is it highly task-specific. As in, can they use that fairly impressive short term memory to solve puzzles and such?

[Anonymous No.10021889]

>>10021867
>>>/an/
But parrots in general are smart birds. Grey macaws are some of the smartest critters in the animal kingdom that are capable of problem solving, communication, empathy, and good memory.

[Anonymous No.10021900]

>>10021889
Well I'm not really interested in it out of any interest in animals, just the intelligence they possess - which is more AI related than anything. In particular what interests me is whether or not the ability to pick up a long and complex sequence of actions is directly linked to vocal processing in these things or not, because this shit is pretty impressive.

[Anonymous No.10021901]

>>10021841
What's the thing with ravens?

[Anonymous No.10021918]

>>10021901
Go look it up, the corvids are wicked smart in general. Ravens can work out complex puzzles and problems in their head, as opposed to just trial and error. It can look at a knot and figure out how to untie it, and can even use and make tools, like breaking a stick so its just the right length.

[Anonymous No.10021937]

>>10021918
Ravens would drop hard shelled nuts on roads so cars would drive over them and crack them, and then when they would go and get the nuts only the traffic light turns red. Smart animals for sure

[Anonymous No.10021955]

>>10021901
never piss off a crow, they will remember your face, and follow you to where you live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOkj7lJpeoc

[Anonymous No.10021963]

>>10021955
I remember some anon telling a green text story about how he started a tribal war with the crows outside of the place he worked.
He always gave mcdonalds french fries and food to one group on his lunch break, while he would constantly antagonize another group.
The group he started shit with would hold a grudge and try to fuck with him, but the crows he had been feeding saw this, and would swoop in to defend him, then the other crows would get mad they were getting in the way and started fighting with them.

[Anonymous No.10021966]

>>10021963
I remember that thread

[Anonymous No.10021993]

>>10021963
I suspect that story was fictionalized to a significant degree

[Anonymous No.10021999]

>>10021993
Why would you say that?

[Anonymous No.10022004]

>>10021966
Was it 2 years ago? Old ass thread.
I mentioned how in school we met a Native American crow talker who demonstrated her skills and taught us a few words in crow. I can say ‘Hello’ “Hey check this cool thing I found” and “danger” in crow.

[Anonymous No.10022006]

>>10022004
I really doubt all crows have the same vocalizations with the same meanings.

[Anonymous No.10022042]

>>10021844
Lmao

[Anonymous No.10022088]

Cockatiels are cute!!!

[Anonymous No.10022111]

>>10021900
You don't need AI to record a song.

[Anonymous No.10022121]

>>10022111
But the parrot is not recording an audio signal directly and playing it back. It's detecting patterns with a significant time delay component and reproducing them (on cue) with an entirely different implement than the one that was used to record or produce them in the first place.

You don't need an AI to record a song but getting an AI to reproduce a song tonally after very limited exposure is not trivial at all.

[Anonymous No.10022191]

>>10021823
Magpies and New Caledonia crows have better working memory performance than young humans, and old world primates.

[Anonymous No.10022220]

>>10021900
Its definitely not directly related to speech or vocal processing. Lots of animals can do pretty complex things without vocal ability.

[Anonymous No.10022305]

birds may have physically small brains, but they're more evolved animals. Both their respiratory systems and brains are more evolved than us. Their neurons are closely tightly packed together so they can be highly intelligent with a light weight brain capable of flight.
>I don't think you can teach a dog to do a task like this
despite their size, they're probably smarter than dogs

[Anonymous No.10022325]

>>10022305
>more evolved
Uhh ok whatever you say
>smarter than dogs
Quite possible, because I sure as hell have never seen a dog do more than 2-3 sequential steps in response to a stimulus.

[Anonymous No.10022343]

>>10021823
What if song birds have language? We just don't know it yet. Think those whistling languages in places like turkey where they can have relatively complex conversations just by whistling.

[Anonymous No.10022346]

>>10022343
Persistent culture and cross-generational specific information exchange has been noted in crows. This pretty much necessitates some form of language.

[Anonymous No.10022363]

>>10022346
I don't think it does since you can learn by observation.

[Anonymous No.10022370]

>>10022363
The study parameters used stimuli that would be incredibly uncommon, and offspring weren't born yet.

[Anonymous No.10022392]

>>10022370
The study you haven't linked?

[Anonymous No.10022396]

>>10022392
http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2011/06/20/rspb.2011.0957
A follow up of this one. Can't find it and don't really care enough.

[Anonymous No.10022458]

>>10022396
>don't really care enough.
good to know

[Anonymous No.10022466]

>>10021867
corvids are legit smart. they put dogs to shame for sure.

[Anonymous No.10022469]

>>10021993
and yet the science behind it is real.

[Anonymous No.10022477]

>>10022458
But you'll never know why. ;^)

[Anonymous No.10022481]

>>10022343
most song birds don't have that many calls. prairie dogs are more likely than robins.

[Anonymous No.10022489]

>Spoiler
Many corvids are telepathic

[Anonymous No.10022496]

>>10022481
Praire dogs?
I mean this mother fucker over here, not robins. The parrots and sheet.

[Anonymous No.10022519]

>>10022496
robins are songbirds.

praerie dogs have warning signals for multiple predator species, complete with adjectives.
https://www.treehugger.com/natural-sciences/researcher-decodes-praire-dog-language-discovers-theyve-been-calling-people-fat.html

closest to a human language we've seen in animals, excluding teaching human languages to them, like talking parrots or monkey signing.

[Anonymous No.10022520]

>>10022343
>[screeching intensifies]
It's a Corvid, not a song bird, but any Texas fag can tell you about the vocal range of grackles, especially in south texas where they flock by the hundreds and just all start squawking, screaming, clicking, and buzzing at eachother. It's hard to imagine they're not saying something to eachother.
They've also got some evil looking demon eyes.

[Anonymous No.10022521]

>>10022519
well obviously I don't mean songbirds but singing motherfucking parrots doing pirates of the west indies.

[Anonymous No.10022528]

>>10022520
It's not a corvid either.

[Anonymous No.10022529]

>>10022520
ohhh i see what youre saying nevermind.

[Anonymous No.10022532]

>>10021823
>can literally talk
>you're surprised that it can whistle
ploooob

[Anonymous No.10022533]

>>10022519
eh, dolphins, monkeys, and japanese great tits seem to have words too, so...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/12/magazine/can-prairie-dogs-talk.html

[Anonymous No.10022536]

>>10022521
then say parrots not singbirds. or at the very least say corvids so we know you mean the smart birds that talk.

[Anonymous No.10022541]

>>10022528
I'm retarded. I meant It's *not* a corvid, and not a song bird, but that's still wrong since they are actually song birds. The Industrial Metal side of the songbird family.
Everyone considers them pests, but I've always thought they were pretty. The iridescent black feathers, that weird voice, and those velociraptor eyes, it's just an aesthetic bird.

[Anonymous No.10022545]

>>10022533
>you will never turn your back on society to hang out with orangubros in the jungle for the rest of your life

[Anonymous No.10022609]

>>10022536
Do I look like a motherfucking ornithographist?

[Anonymous No.10022612]

>>10022545
birbs>primates

[Anonymous No.10022667]

>>10022612
whats your fave birb

[Anonymous No.10022673]

>>10022612
Orangubros>Eveything Else

[Anonymous No.10022684]

>>10022673
Theres a cool tv show on called orangutan jungle school about rehabilitating orangutan children. You would like it.

[Anonymous No.10022986]

>>10021823
Here's a good article about exactly this. Interesting as it just came out
https://aeon.co/essays/why-does-keeping-a-bird-in-a-cage-make-people-happy
We eat these things, never mind keep them as pets, which seems also wrong.

[Anonymous No.10024170]

caw