/sci/ - Science & Math

>>9823835
>You guys told me emotional intelligence means nothing and only hard basic IQ is the truth in the universe.
So you not only listened to /sci/ and somehow believed that emotional intelligence was less important than IQ, but also bought into the "IQ is super important" meme without actually coming to the logical conclusion that obsessing over it is a waste of your fucking time?

In response to your question:

>What could be the reason for this?

Purely spitballing here - highly intelligent people tend to be an antisocial lot and thus are ineffective at managing more extroverted individuals. That, or they just get fed up with how fucking retarded people are and stop bothering.

>>9823835
Brainlets set too complicated instructions

"less effective leadership"

Look at Musk. High IQ billionaire who does not give two shits about leadership, but about rockets, flamethrowers, banking and electric cars.

All of which he is pretty effective at.

>>9823846
>Just a bachelor's degree
>High IQ

>>9823855
>college = high IQ

Who is Bill Gates?

>>9823862
They're both outliers desu. Not representatives for all leaders

>>9823868
Fair argument. Just saying that plenty of "geniuses" have either dropped out or not attended college to begin with, just as there are plenty of bumbling retards with degrees.

>>9823855
>IQ = spending your life in uni

>>9823862
>>9823846

Do we actually have hard evidence for Elon Musk's IQ? I see only estimations and nothing concrete like Bill Gates SAT scores.

>>9823862
A man with a perfect (or was it 1590, can´t remember) SAT-score who attended Harvard´s Math 55 class.
>>9823873
> Just saying that plenty of "geniuses" have either dropped out or not attended college to begin with
Both zuckerberg and gates attended college, and gained admission with stellar credits.

>>9823889
He was accepted into a PhD program in materials science (applied physics) at Stanford.

>>9823835
That would actually explain a lot of history.

>>9823835
Low IQs are not logical therefore a high IQ doesn't do much to understand them. What you need is knowledge on how to lead them which is probably something high IQs aren't very interested in obtaining. A high IQ person would almost certainly be better at leading other high IQs though.

>>9823896

Okay then, fair enough.

>>9823835
news articles:

http://bigthink.com/philip-perry/why-highly-intelligent-people-make-the-worst-leaders

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/11/being-too-intelligent-can-make-you-a-less-effective-leader/

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/most-intelligent-people-worse-leaders-study-university-lausanne-iq-a8055846.html

https://digest.bps.org.uk/2017/11/13/very-intelligent-people-make-less-effective-leaders-according-to-their-peers-and-subordinates/

https://www.zmescience.com/science/psychology-science/smart-leaders-poor-leaders-0432432/

https://www.inc.com/marcel-schwantes/a-new-study-reveals-1-surprising-fact-about-leaders-with-high-iq.html

>>9823916
desu these are feel good articles to make brainlets who drop out of high school think they can achieve something

>ZUCKERBURG DROPPED OUT

Yeah he dropped out of Harvard (where he'd have probably got a solid GPA if he stayed).

>>9823923
Zuckface isn't a very good leader. He doesn't even respect the senate. If he didn't have Jewish perks he would have been destroyed for his info stealing

>>9823924
> If he didn't have Jewish perks he would have been destroyed for his info stealing
They didn´t steal anything - you consented to everything when agreeing to their terms and conditions, retard. Furthermore, the government views facebook and similar platforms as ideal channels for enacting mass surveillance and disseminating propaganda. Nobody in government has any real interest in making themselves obsolete or weakening the government apparatus, and as such, nobody in government has any real interest in preventing Zuckercuck from carrying out his ethically questionable business practices.

>>9823835
Communication gap. Dumb people simply won't understand the decisions of a smart guy. So someone with an IQ only slightly above the average is better at leading a bunch of normalfags because they are closer to their level.

It may be that you can only meaningfully communicate with people that are 1-2 standard deviations away from you in terms of intelligence. If that's true, it's not surprising that someone with an IQ more than 2 standard deviations above the average won't get much out of a horde of brainlets (who probably just want to have sex with each other instead of completing the task anyway).

>>9823835
>What could be the reason for this?
In order to lead people effectively you need to be able to understand their limitations so that you can make the best use of them without overloading them. Higher IQ people will tend to project more ability to solve complex problems onto their subordinates and thus give them too much work to handle, or alternatively underestimate them and seem like condescending, micromanaging twats - maybe even go as far as doing it all themselves.

Source: my ass, but I've seen this happen a lot.

>>9823934
>nobody in government has any real interest in preventing Zuckercuck from carrying out his ethically questionable business practices.
>implying social media hasn't been an arm of the US intelligence deep state ever since it took off
Why the fuck do you think the chinks and vatniks are so adamant on forcing parallel search engines, video hosting and social media sites? It's a CIAnigger's dream come true.

>>9823835
>Low IQ are better leaders?
there's a 28 point iq gap between low iq and 128 you fucking brainlet

>>9824752
t. 128 IQ brainlet

>>9823893
while all of that is true about Bill, I think people consistently leaves out his most impressive feat of solving a CS problem in a very "Eulerian" way (it was homework, 2 days later Bill comes with a solution that improves over the best available until then) and it being unbeaten for 30 years until a team of phds used months and a supercomputer to improve efficiency for a measly 2%.

That sends shivers down my fucking spine.

>>9824790
Yeah, I read about that. Gates is almost incomprehensibly intelligent.

>>9823835
>Where is the sweetspot for leadership then?

enjoying talking about normie shit.

>>9823855
got into Stanford for a physics PhD, making him smarter than (you) by your own autistic metric

>>9824773
Idiot, you can give any type of meaning to the word "brainlet", but the word "low" is already defined, and a person with an iq way higher than average is not in any way low.

>>9825800
I could get to Stanford maybe...

>>9823835
How were these "effective leadership methods" measured?

>>9823976
>implying that´s not exactly what I was implying
Brainlet.

PS. The chinks and vatniks force their own shit, which is monitored by their Maoniggers/FSBniggers.

>>9823835
it's literally me. I can logic out if i should be more lenient or strict towards workers, but how do i actually do and start a friendly conversation.... HOW, I do not have anything to talk about.

>>9826095
Probably by diversity quotas and other shit.
Stop believing literally ANY study with any possible temptation to falsify data. I'm serious about this statement and this is why you should study math.

>>9823835

you can't be a good leader of people you don't understand

I do not understand sub 120 IQ brainlets which means I'm a poor leader of anything that isn't a small group of like minded people, which of course is a group that doesn't even need a leader at all

>>9823835
In order to be a good leader you have to constantly convince others to buy your ideas. You have to sell ideas to them. The most effective method of selling anything to someone is to have things in common with them. This is basic sales 101. Establishing commonality with someone will be difficult if you have barriers such as a sense of superiority.

>>9824818

Bill Gates is amazingly intelligent but his achievements don't seem that great given his upbringing. He had all the best schools, teachers, and a strong family that encouraged and could afford a curious mind. Bill Gates is almost a perfect example of what a solid upbringing can do.

>tfw to intelligent too lead men into battle

>>9824790
Incredible how that did not make them feel threatened and needed to put him in place. Wait, was that the reason for him dropping out?

>>9827710
If only be were an oppressed gay refugee, then we could find his work impressive.

>>9827710
> Bill Gates is almost a perfect example of what a solid upbringing can do.
He is a perfect example of the heritability of IQ. His father was a lawyer, his mother a board director, and his grandfather a banker; he clearly inherited their intellect and made good use of it.

>>9823835
>iq
iq is not science, sorry. iq is pseudoscience.

>>9823855
I have an associates degree and an IQ of 141. I probably make more money while working less than you do, too. Keep telling yourself that your college education matters.

>>9823835
Easily solvable by just imposing a hierarchy
>160 IQ CEO
>145 IQ minions
>130 IQ R&D division and middle-managers
>115-100 IQ office drones and low-level managers
>85 IQ wageslaves

Nobody communicates directly down to anyone two steps down the ladder. Done.

>>9823835
Because of a side effect of the burden of nescience. The old saw that the more you know, then the more you realize how much you dont know. If you're a brainlet the ratio of known unknowns and unknown unknowns gets skewered. This means you can be confident in ignorance, which is one of the more important aspects of leadership. Being able to delegate and actually knowing anything come in distant second and third place.
It's not surprising that psychopaths make the best leaders because they're programmed to only give a shit about results and can treat the human element as mechanical pieces.
So the trick to being a good leader is to pretend like you know what you're doing and let everyone else do the work.

>>9828818
>145 IQ minions
My IQ is 146 - w-why can't I be CEO ;_;

also what does it mean to be minions?

>>9828818
>first generation: things work well, everyone is happy with his or her station in life and appropriately stimulated by its demands and privileges
>second generation: the rich and powerful cheat, abuse, and reform the system for the benefit of their idiot kids who they want the best (hierarchical dominance) for, at the expense of any and all general societal welfare, systemic efficiency, and moral justice
>third generation: the system becomes a hollow sham, its cynical apologists cannot merely claim "anyone can succeed, so long as they are good at succeeding" as they do today
>fourth generation: revolution, blood on the streets
>fifth and beyond: fascism or communism

>>9828818
>Avg fortune five ceo 130 IQ
Fuck you nigga.

>>9828859
fuck off PLATO

>>9828800
What do you do, out of curiosity?

>>9828899
Industrial electrician.

>>9828818
No, you have the 130 IQ generalists act as the hub between the big brain specialists and the brainlit drones workers.