/sci/ - Science & Math

>>5867640
It was always there...like God.

>>5867644

The universe is god.
---spinoza

>>5867644
>>5867655
/sci/ you can do better than this

It didn't. Matter is an illusion.

>>5867640
Does matter matter? If so, why does it matter that matter matters? I would like to suggest that perhaps the thing in life with matter, don't matter, and that those corporeal entities and emotions which make the monochromatic stain of experience colorful do matter. Therefore, dear friends, let the origin of matter (which does not matter) not matter, as the matter matters not which does not matter in your life, and instead seek that which,, lacking substance and, yay, matter, matters indeed.

Your dearest friend, Aanon

>>5867640

the big bang

never happened

I think to answer that question we need to know what matter is.
How is matter matter? If we changed matter would it still be matter?
Why matter? Does matter exist?
Why does matter exist and why doesn't existence exist?
Why why why why

It doesn't matter

Can energy turn into matter?

>>5867640
>how did matter come into existance?

>come into existence

This is such a stupid idea. Things don't come in or go out of existence. It isn't observable, not even theoretically.
It also doesn't make sense rationally, a priori.

Things change over time depending on the conditions that structure them.

>>5868998
so you're saying that matter has been around since the beginning of time and everything. Or perhaps there is no "beginning" at all?

>>5867640

>>5868976
Yes. E=mc^2.

Shit, sorry. Need me to stop?

We don't know.
Therefore God.
Therefore you will go to a heaven when you die to live forever with your waifu for all eternity.

That's the answer you wanted, now back to /b/ or /x/.

>>5869011

sort of..

I'm fond of the notion that the big bang and and black holes share much of the same physics in order to occur

What came first? Consciousness or the Universe?

Is this the answer to your question?

>>5869332
.......Oops.
Sorry, accidentally downloaded the wrong size.

>>5869333
Here we go, hopefully.

>>5869329
What came first?
The atoms that make up water or the water?

What are your opinions on the theory that black holes create new universes, that our universe may exist inside a black whole within a larger universe?

My position is, first off, if there was any force of creation that initiated the formation of the energy that eventually came to be the universe, it is not sentient and furthermore is incapable of judging the nature of the decisions made by self-described sentient beings within the confines of the energy that it helped create. Second, that more than likely there were energy strands on quantum levels that have always existed in a form and for a time and nature that our brains, with a limited number of neurological states and connections could possibly comprehend, being but a small part of the total energy in the totality of existence (i.e. the theory that no computer could ever simulate a human brain with the same number of cells and connections and a computer program could never fully emulate the universe without being the size and complexity of a universe, rendering the theory moot) so to try to do so and draw any conclusions here within is a flawed position from which to begin any ontological argument and at best is an exercise in self-examination and at worst is ego inflating.

tl;dr There is no 'god', 'gods', 'creators' or 'higher powers'. It is impossible for us to comprehend the universe because we're part of it and trying to draw conclusions one way or another is a flawed and meaningless exercise.

>>5869427
tl;dr tl;dr Don't worry about it.

>implying I'm not god

I hate Stephen "gimp" hawkings

one question if I were to go to space and bring back a air tight jar of space what would I see when I get back to Earth

>>5869366
With time reversed with respect to that universe? So that matter falling into the singularity at the center looks like it came out?

>>5869538
the jar would probably explode from the pressure, but otherwise it would just look like an empty jar

>>5869548
my question is why would the jar look empty and not dark like the vacuum of space

>>5869552
I'm not falling for this. You can't be this stupid, right?

>>5869011
>Or perhaps there is no "beginning" at all?
I believe that eventually the whole universe will turn into a huge black hole which will cause another big bang and the cycle will continue infinitely.

>>5869576
completely serious and stupid

There is no proof that matter didn't exist. We just cannot measure it before the big bang.

>>5869594
exactly I've always said that our universal laws were created with the beginning of our universe and the death of another

>>5867640

how did existence came to be?

>In the beginning God created the heavens and earth.

Ill dissect this with a /sci/ approach.
Our bing bang theory suggests that our cosmos had one atom go boom. This event is gods coming, a light filled with love for what matters and what doesn't (god being a gravitational pull that not one photon, neutron, electron, quark or even an atom can avoid). A split in this atom, our cosmos as of now, could be with others roaming around a world much similar to the one we presently reside in. One that has a heaven and earth similar to ours and possibly the same or different god. Back to the point; a coming to what we know now did not take place within an instant (this is where i feel god has been given too much credit (just an opinion (im allowed (its fukn 4chan)))) but over the course of 15 billion years. As far as humans have come to find this to be so, Eintstein gave us what we know to be E=mc^2. So ill rewrite the question, how did light come to be (matter, probability, love, elements of sorts, anything that does exist in this realm=mass=mc^2)? By the strike of a hand writing a novel, by the hand to another hand for a greeting, from the mind to lead another, from a destiny bound to a mans soul God has given us this chance to repeat what God has done. We do it with each step, each breath, each fuck we give life to new opportunities to create more opportunities. Our free will opens up more doors than we can imagine to create something that does matter. The consumption of this matter is within the confinements of how much space is given and where a gravitational pull resides to either once again consume or conserve. This pull could be Gods will, your own, a feeling, a happening, a movement of the mass, whatever it is that could inspire ones (one equaling one atom) negative or positive charge, or neutralize it and set everything back to zero, where nothing matters.

>>5869218
What he said.

>>5869329
Universe and then consciousness, of course. Wut you sutpid bra?

Per the laws of physics as we understood them, energy can never be created or destroyed. This includes the beginning and the end of the universe. The universe started out unbelievably hot, and ever isnce then all that heat has been slowly cooling, condensing into matter. So the answer to the question "how did matter come into existence" is simply that it started off as energy.

As to energy, the answer could possibly lie in the eixstence of virtual particles. tl;dr, according to quantum mechanics a teeny tiny particle can spontaneously pop into existnece, something out of nothing, completely violating every known physical law, for the tiniest fraciton of a second before it pops out of existence again. Perhaps an accumulation of events liket this resulted in the creation of all that energy.

>>5869552
The vacuum of space is dark because there aren't particles for the light to bounce off of. If you brought a jar full of nothing onto Earth, and that jar was somehow strong enough not to collapse, then because light can pass through glass it would just look like an empty jar.

>>5870386
>and then consciousness
Where did it come from?

>>5871419
It was created in the big bang.

>>5870410
>there aren't particles
What about the virtual particles?

Matter was "created" when radiation from the very beginning of the Universe was converted into Hydrogen and Helium. These formed stars and those stars used Nuclear Fusion to create the other elements. Where the radiation came from is unresolved and likely won't be resolved until we know how the Big Bang occured.

>>5869584
The breathing in and out of God
or her heartbeat
pick a poetic metaphor

>>5867640
God created the universe. 95% of the scientists we interviewed agree with this.

Ordinary matter (neutral hydrogen atoms) came into existence during the recombination epoch, before photon decoupling. But if you mean fermions in general, I'm not sure you will find a satisfying answer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recombination_(cosmology)

>>5873980
lolno

>>5873980
That does not make it true.

How does energy turn into matter? Have we figured that part out yet?
Like how did the radiation turn into an atom?

>>5876190
>How does energy turn into matter?

E = mc^2

>>5873980
How many scientists did you interview?

read genesis faggot

>>5867640
Quantum Fluctuation. Isn't it obvious faggots???

OFFICIAL SCIENTIFIC ANSWER: we don't know.

/thread

>>5867640

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John is using "the Word" as Energy and "God" as the matter, the same way as Spinoza ( >>5867658 )

[; E=mc^2 ;]

In the beginning was the Enegery, and the Energy was with the Matter, and the Energy was the Matter.

>>5879000
so the word is a property of god?

>>5879014

No, the Word and God are the essential properties of the system we call Universe, but as the Mass-Energy equivalence, there is a Word-God equivalence. Genesis suck. Read John 1.

Answerign OP's question, the beginning of the matter is when the energy became matter in the first millions of years.

>>5878979

How did quantum field come to existence .. You didn't really answer anything ..

The world existed before I live

Think that

>>5878994
>we don't know.

Yes, we do. Do you even cosmology?

>>5879100
It has always existed in the Platonic multiverse of all mathematical structures.

>>5880681
>the Platonic multiverse of all mathematical structures.

Is this actual math or just philosophy?

>>5879100
this thread hasn't even defined existence yet.

>>5870405
what would make it cool? especially if it's everything condensed. What would out in the darkness. What would it expand into and why.

big crunch isn't happening, sooo

>>5882470
We do not need to do that. It is self-evident.

>>5882470
>"define existence"

Why do philosophags always resort to this fallacy when their beliefs are proven wrong?

>>5884166
>fallacy

I don't think you know what that means, Jim.

>>5869329

Why did you warp an image of a light fixture?

>>5881953
Neither. It is real science.

>>5884817
What are the implications of a Platonic universe?

>>5879014

It means our reality is informational.

>>5886144
There is a unification of pure mathematics with theoretical physics.

>>5887313
I don't think that's possible.

Someone has been keeping at least 35 threads alive
by bumping them twice a day. Compare the post times of
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to the post times in other threads.
It's clear most of these are the same person.
The threads being bumped:
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Write to moot@4chan.org if you want it to stop.

>>5888683
Why do you think that?

>>5889532
Because math is only an approximation of nature.

>>5890576
Is it a social construct?

>>5891306
No, it is a logical construct.

>>5889289
Well, that's what I call a re... aspeger's...

>>5867655
dubs confirm

>>5889289
Wow, you found a time to check all of this. Nice autism

>>5892963
I thought logical constructs were social constructs.

>>5869584
But how did the first universe or big bang came to be?
How can you create something out of nothing?

>>5893802
>How can you create something out of nothing?

I guess this is still an unsolved problem in cosmology.

>>5893802
>But how did the first universe or big bang came to be?

It was probably an infinite cycle with no beginning and no end.

>>5867655
Wasn't Spinoza debunked by Einstein?

>>5868998
I think I remember reading that new matter is being generated right now. It's like generating electricity. It's a form of energy and is created because BANG BANG PARTICLES BANG BOOM!! We have been able to observe that already.

>>5893802
>How can you create something out of nothing?

Nothing doesn't exist. Everything is something.
Check fucking mate.

>>5896954
What about empty space?

>>5893802
>>5895745

Same here. It can't be tested but going by what we know of geometry and base physics, pic related is my best guess.

>>5897878
How does gravity affect time?

>>5899328
A gravitational field will make clocks run backward.

>>5899833
Would it work with anti-gravity?

>>5901037
It would allow us to stop time.

We are because because

>>5901853
If we add more anti-gravity, can we travel backwards in time?

>>5899833

citation needed

What if, instead of gravity being created by matter, matter is created by gravity?

What if dark matter is just gravity with no matter?

>>5903462

> what i used science terms that I know nothing about and put a bunch together to make a sentence?

>>5897878
>Actual shape of timeline due to gravitational curvature
This made my fucking day. My sides are in orbit.

I just watched Prometheus. Now you all might shush me to /x/, but I want to talk about the idea that we're either the first civilization (or one of the first) or that we're a later civilization and the ancient ones exist. Assuming we're the first, and we slowly spread out through the stars, do you think we have a responsibility to care and nurture any fledgling civilizations?

We've already played god here, what would stop us from playing god somewhere else?

>>5897798
>2014
>doesn't know about virtual particles
>ISHYGDIGY

>>5895745
>>5893802
>>5869011
Now you're getting it. The beginning and end are the same. Time is a closed loop and is a mechanic in and of itself. There is no beginning or end, because the cycle is closed, and outside of it lies the other cycles that lean and help push our time/universe in motion.

Like gears. Our universe is one, big cosmic gear. And the machine is God.

>>5903930

stop filling this thread with nonsense

>>5884166
>fallacy
Get a load of this fucking guy.

>>5869548
Implode.

>>5905066
No, explode.

>>5905066
>>5905562
When you are not looking, it is in a superposition of both.

>>5905562
Implode. Why would an empty jar under pressure from outside explode instead of implode?

Is that a picture of neuron-pathways in the brain or light matter in the the universe at a massive scale, not much difference after a decent amount of study. You can understand a great amount more than you'd think about this subject so don't fret take it as it comes. Don't think too hard it will be clearer with patience
I would read Drunvalo Melchizedek's book called 'The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life' for academic investigation, specifically the section explaining Genesis in the Bible, heck read it all. Changed my life, and much for the better.

Consciousness is all there was in what we comprehend as the beginning, many call it god but its is pure consciousness, it is god, self-organizing, self-aware energy patterns. Consciousness created space and time matter through a self reinforcing belief that created this illusion of matter to consciousness, its an illusion that is so reinforced that it is real. Essentially the universe is like the universal video game console we all log into in order to play the game, we all agree to the same rules coming into existence because if we didn't, the code wont match up and the game will crash because of inconsistencies. This one didn't...
Think about the absence of matter, there would be no time dilation and there are no different relative states of the Cosmos and no time and time and space would be one dimension. One point. When matter is made it pries the 1 point into 4 dimensions.

Anyway...there's much that i cant fit in one post (i tried, and failed to meet word count) look into these to get more info
Look up the Merkaba
http://www.in5d.com/holographic-universe.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_of_Life
http://universalmysteries.co/the-ancient-secret-of-the-flower-of-life-volume-one-chapter-six/
http://www.crystalsrocksandgems.com/Shopping/FlowerOfLifeEyeOfHorus.html
http://www.in5d.com/

How could what is perish? How could it have come to be? For if it came into being, it is not; nor is it if ever it is going to be. Thus coming into being is extinguished, and destruction unknown.

>>5906635
The pressure is inside.

>>5908029
How do we release it?

>>5908668
By opening the jar before it explodes.

What if I told you this was all an illusion?

>>5910267
I would be very surprised.

>>5903300

Its bullshit, back in time is not possible.

>>5896958

Citation needed

>>5912049
Not with that attitude.

What was that theory which proposes the entirety of our reality is composed of a single atom at different stages in time?

That's probably the most likely answer.

A single atom.

So it comes from wherever that one atom came from

>>5903930
Then what/who is God?
Who/what created God? Who/what created the God that created that God?

W-what if the Universe is a living thing?

>>5912087
Why need it a creator?

>>5877615
Not trolling at all. But how does matter convert to energy with the speed of light factored in? I don't really get this equation fully. Multiply the speed of light squared and mass and it equals energy? How?

>>5912087

On a sidenote: Is radioactive decay truly random? Shouldn't the atoms have some cause as to why they decay when they do?

I've had physicist after physicist tell me radioactive decays has no cause but everything has to have a cause right?

>>5912109
Ask a professor instead of an online chat board.
That question probably requires an answer that /sci/ more than likely can't give.

>>5912109

consider the momentum of an object

P = mv

m is mass and v is velocity

the largest velocity anything can posses is the speed of light

momentum is a a derivative of kinetic energy with respect to time. Integrating with repsect to time gives you mv^2

that's not how he came up with it, but it's one way to look at it

>>5912110

nothing is random. True randomness isn't even random, but the decay of atoms is random enough to call it random.

nuclei degenerate because there's too much energy in one place

>>5867640

I saw a talk at my school by a theoretical physicist on this very subject.

If you take some volume, and clear away everything, get rid of the protons, electrons, photons, etc., what's left? There's still quantum fluctuations/zero-point energy/the ground state.

Consider the ground state of a particle-in-a-box which has energy E. If you stretch the walls of the box, the energy of the ground state wavefunction decreases since this energy proportional to (1/L)^2. But you started with energy E. Since energy is conserved, you end up with a superposition which includes higher energy levels (which at up to E).

This is essentially what happened at the big bang. The universe had been expanding for all time in the ground state. Once it expanded a certain amount, the energy of the ground state dropped, forcing the universe into higher level wavefunctions. When these dropped back down, they emitted photons and other particles, and now we have matter.

So, according to the laws of physics, matter can come from nothing. I guess now the OP will ask how the laws came into existence, all this does is push "where did stuff come from" up a level, philosophically speaking. But I think it's a cool story nonetheless.

>>5869169
erm, actually:

E=Mc^2/sqrt(1-(v^2/c^2))

>>5869427
Also, the net energy of the universe is zero, indicating that it arose from some kind of quantum fluctuation.
And to accept facts without losing your impossibly insignificant mind, you have to abandon the idea of individuality and self preservation. They are irrelevant concepts to the universe.
You are not special.
You have no ego.
You will cease to exist.
That is the way it is.

>>5912701
I will believe Einstein over some anonymous shitposter.

>>5912701
>erm, actually:

You're a fag.
>>5912966
E=mc^2 is called the rest energy. There are other formulas that add in kinetic energy, or use relativistic mass instead of rest mass, but the original equation is fine. Adding new variables without explanations only confuses things.

>>5912966

>>5912701
That's a different kind of energy.

>>5914293
Is it the dark energy?

>>5914927
No, it is biofield energy.

In the big bang energy was condensed to matter and anti-matter.

is something can come from nothing can nothing come from something?

>>5917734

Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.
----Stevie Wonder

>>5917734
If you collide an anti-number such as -1 and a number such a 1 together they will create zero, which is nothing.

>>5882736
>being is self evident!
>god is self evident!
intellectual lazyness

>>5917734
"Nothing" didn't and will never exist as a thing.

>>5867640
Some possibilities.

1. There is no explanation for the existence of the universe (my favorite).

2. All mathematically coherent things exist. Every possible set of laws of physics and initial conditions are as real as every other. However, since our minds are "experiencing" living in this particular universe, we have the illusion that there is this one universe we are living in (not my favorite but I can't leave it out).

3. Something else.

4. What Christians believe (I can't do it justice as a summary, but I don't think it's entirely crazy).

>>5867640
google baryogenesis

>>5869336
he actually believes this.

we thought of it

>>5919261
no explanation implies no logical basis for the evolution of life which is against determinism gg no re get wrecked kid

>>5919316

so deep

so philosophic

so paradoxic

sooo mathematic

It never just magically "popped up" it's just always been here. It does not apply to the laws of physics, because it created them.

Matter is condensed energy, our energy probably comes from a higher dimension than we can comprehend. Think of it like this: Our lives can exist as a single picture in the fourth dimension but we spend every single moment of our lives in the third dimension.
Our infinity probably isn't any less hard to handle for a 4d being at all. For us, looking at a 4d picture would result in an infinite amount of 3d pictures. For the 4d creature, our lives would simply be one picture like any of the hentai pics you've got on your HD.
I think our universe is an event caused by hugely complex things happening in the dimensions above us (superstring vibrations?), which ripples down into our own little world.

>>5919374

>Our infinity probably isn't any less hard to handle for a 4d being at all.

I meant;

>Our infinity probably isn't that hard to handle for a 4d being at all.

>>5919329
To be fair, there's a principle in philosophy where something is real just because you thought of it, even if it's completely made up it still exists. Just not in the traditional sense.

>>5919380
There is no such thing as a "fourth dimension". Just a skewed look on 3 dimensions. Like saying a cube within a circle is different from the circle just because the circle doesn't directly correlate with it, it's complete rubbish.

Because matter essentially is a thing, 2 dimension doesn't exist, physically. You can think of it, which sortve makes it exist, but not physically.

>>5869724
I seriously have problems reading this post for all the "god is love, quark is shrek, electron is not shrek, or god, or love, like proton isn't, too, if it wants (gravity)"
so I'm going to have to abort even trying to understand.

>>5919405
>There is no such thing as a "fourth dimension".

Time?

>>5920421
Central charges are not real dimensions.

>>5921190
Time is a charge? Can we reverse the charge to travel back in time?

>>5867662
This, once you realize time and space are illusions. Only the process will matter.

>>5867644
Like god
You sir may suck a bag of dicks

>>5912077
Than what created that one atom

>>5919405
>there is !!! take for instance the vector space of polynomials

>>5922209
The CP violation will prevent you from doing such.

ANSWER: Name 1 factual reason why it matters.

God.

You can not comprehend that the universe because you are part of it. I.e what does a fish know of the water it swims in? Matter never existed. Mind creates matter, matter never created mind. It's all an illusion. We are the gods creating and perceiving our own creation.

http://www.missionislam.com/discover/who_created.htm
Read up OP, get educated.

>>5869724
Good that you've explained the bing bang, but what about the big one?

>>5923292
Because if I know that, maybe I can figure out how to end it.

>>5923292
Because if I know that, maybe I can find away take it out of existence.

>"Conjecture about [the origin, etc., of] the world is an unconjecturable that is not to be conjectured about, that would bring madness & vexation to anyone who conjectured about it."
>"It's just as if a man were wounded with an arrow thickly smeared with poison. His friends & companions, kinsmen & relatives would provide him with a surgeon, and the man would say, 'I won't have this arrow removed until I know whether the man who wounded me was a noble warrior, a priest, a merchant, or a worker.' He would say, 'I won't have this arrow removed until I know the given name & clan name of the man who wounded me... until I know whether he was tall, medium, or short... The man would die and those things would still remain unknown to him. In the same way, if anyone were to say, 'I won't live the holy life under the Blessed One as long as he does not declare to me that 'The cosmos is eternal,'... or that 'After death a Tathagata neither exists nor does not exist,' the man would die and those things would still remain undeclared by the Tathagata."
-Gautama Buddha

>>5923320
Hmmm....
It seems the jews were right.

I will figure it out some day.

>>5924301
No you won't asshole.

>>5924349
That's not nice. You should show more respect. I'm doing my best to advance scientific understanding of the universe.

Nobody knows the answer?

The universe is unity - complete, indivisible, and perfect.

>>5926591
You talk like a fag and your shits all retarded.

>>5926653
She is not wrong. Why do you insult her?

An idea of nothing.

>>5867640
what is existance?
>implying matter is in existence

>>5867640
God i love these threads.

I will use this example.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be transferred. Meaning singularity is either a bogus concept or our physics is completely wrong. As per the big bang people, all matter was compressed into a singularity 14 billion years ago and exploded into everything we see today. Then there is the battle between matter and anti-matter which eliminated most of the matter and the leftover from that 'cosmic war' is what we see today. Lets save that for another time.

What I am trying to say is, science is contradicting itself if it goes with the big bang model because the laws of physics will collapse.

The only reasonable explanation is energy is transferred, hence it was somewhere else and then it was 'moved' to our universe resulting in particles, waves and matter. So singularity will have to be neglected. If we input God into the equation who instigated the burst of matter and jump started the big bang by transferring his 'energy' into matter and then transmitting that matter to our universe, everything falls into place and we have an explanation. But this scares many scientists who hate the idea of a divine being responsible for anything.

I have another example of why life originated on earth and why the circumstances for it are so rare that they cannot occur elsewhere (correct size, distance from star, gas giant protecting from bombardment of meteors and asteroids, correct orbit, moon satellite, tidal effects, geological activity, tectonic plate movements etc etc list goes on). But lets save that for another day.

>>5928218
Energy is created all the time on the subatomic level, it just needs to be returned very quickly. And it's well known that a vacuum is inherently unstable and prone to fluctuations the result in the creation of matter.

This is probably copypasta, but saying "God did it" just seems like a lazy way to assuage your ignorance.

>>5928218

>>5928239
>>5928249
So much denial in this thread.

God theory has been consistent. Science on the other hand has been wrong and had to change its theories to 'adjust' and 'match' the situation. Literally ass pulling new concepts and shoving down throats of graduates giving them the illusion that the standard model can still be salvaged.

And they wonder why there are no geniuses or breakthroughs in our modern age. You keep feeding bullshit to people, they follow wrong ideas, no one gets anywhere. Science is important, but so is accuracy. It is only right to accept certain things and reject others. Most of the theories in science cannot be proven just like God's existence, so its fair game. But to disregard ideas and opinions of a vast majority and not allowing theist intellectuals to enter the fields of physics and mathematics is hypocrisy.

Lets call it for what it really is.

>>5928218
What made god lol

>>5928302
>consistent
Consistently wrong is still wrong.

>>5928218
>guaranteedreplies.jpg

>>5928302
>consistent
Missing the point of science entirely

>>5928308
Independent of the laws that govern the universe. The creator is not bound the laws he created to restrict and bound the universe with.

>>5928310
Neither can be proven yet, so keep crying.

>>5928311
>He talks of God
>Rustles my jimmies
>Must be trole

Maximum autism

>>5928312
Science is not all that grand that people make it out to be. Its just a general consensus of a handful of individuals who maintain authority over major scientific institutions. They can monopolize it anyway they want, most of the people are not smart enough to understand them anyway.

>>5928321
consistency != accuracy

How fucking hard is that to comprehend?

>>5928326
accuracy is subjective especially in dealing with things that cannot be measured or understood on a physical level. metaphysical is entirely based on perception of the individual and his experience.

worst case scenario, people stick with the most simple explanation available. big bang, m-theory, string theory and whatnot. how can you verify the accuracy of these theories? you can't they are just assumptions of how things supposedly function in the universe. so that does not make your opinion more legitimate than mine, we are both assuming.

>>5928338
The BBT simply states that the universe was once really small and is now really big

The evidence seems to point that way

>>5928338
>accuracy is subjective
Stopped reading.

>b-but you can't never know nuffin!
You have fun living in your delusional world, I'll stay here, where believe things based on evidence.

>>5928343
My point was yes there was a singularity, but that contradicts laws of physics. This contradiction cannot be removed unless a new field of study is invented which can bypass this problem.

>>5868976
No.

>>5928371
What is pair production

Matter is subjective; but it mostly doesn't matter

>>5889289
This guy.

My theory is that the Planck temperature and above is what causes the solidification of raw energy into mass, and the dissolution of mass into raw energy.

The only thing that proves this, is that the Planck temperature caused by the big bang did in fact (theoretically) produce mass out of energy.

>>5929655
I might add that what further verifies this as a possibility, is that we don't understand physics beyond the Planck, meaning this is a valid possibility

Quadratic chaos?

>>5869598
How did be came into.

>>5929655
So now where did energy come from? Something had to happen to release all that available energy. Who did it? What when where why? But I believe most importantly how.

>>5930115
There was no when, where, or why before the big bang

>>5930115
Energy manifested because it could. It's probably not even an eternal theme in the omniverse.

>>5867640
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkioT7isU8

"We are the universe experiencing itself." -- George Carlin

I think matter is kind of like bubbles in water.

The universe kind of folds in on itself and creates a separation

>>5930824
Matter is simply vibrations of a soap bubble. Look into Dr. Kaku's spring theory.

>>5932154
>thread has been alive for an entire month now. Still posts in it.
shiggy

>>5932154
>Look into Dr. Kaku's spring theory.

Thank you. I will do this.

>>5879000
There's actually been a reported phenomena of sound creating light, (sonoluminescence). Going into Gensis along with that verse, (in the beginning was the Word, on the first day light was spoken into existence) maybe our ancestors knew more, cryptically, than we do. Just a thought.

>>5933606
>sonoluminescence

This is interesting but also very spooky at the same time.

I find it really interesting that WIMPs are effected by the weak force, I would like to know more about that.

Also do the WIMP/MACHO models work with gravitons or non-Euclidean paths or both?

>>5934720
What do these acronyms mean?

Matter came into existance with the bing bang.

Because the god said so.

>>5912689
this is the most accurate answer, but then again
we have to explain why the void isn't empty........

>>5939258
But the void is empty.

>>5940533
It's NOT

>>5869329
Existence precedes essence, bro

>>5942167
But what IS essence?

>>5933606
the word was "yahweh"(god) or very similar, not pronounceable in our languages today. vowel-less, but don't ask me why or the constructs of this universe would be at the hands of you faithless 4chaners

>>5928321
>They can monopolize it anyway they want, most of the people are not smart enough to understand them anyway.

the most undeniable fact this thread has seen yet, thank you for the reminder. Seriously the shit people will defend to their grave cuz a TV said so

>>5928901

>>5928350
send me a postcard from the crime scenes

>>5928343
>>5928350
send me a postcard from the crime-scenes.
what scientist is making a profit from this Where did everything come from bullshit? id pay them for a new hi-tec penis pump or something useful u know like hookers. shiii-iiit, cmon ppl get ur head in the gutter, dayum.

>>5943625
>what scientist is making a profit from this Where did everything come from bullshit?

Lawrence Krauss

>>5943593
It wasn't vowel-less you stupid faggots.
Semites have abjad alphabets (i.e. only consonant letters) and we know about the phonology of biblical hebrew which has the exact same phonemes as classical arabic and proto-semitic. Arabic also has abjad alphabets but of course it still has fucking vowels; the same vowels as aramaic which are [a]. [u] and [i]. Stop spreading misinformation faggot.. Sure we don't know what vowels they used but they definitely did have fucking vowels.

>>5944437
The word "yahweh", written in hebrew, does not contain any vowels.

>>5946554
Um, you know that hebrew doesn't have any vowels?

but the spoken language has

>>5946561
Except that's wrong.

>>5946652
Every language has vowels.

Matter always existed.

>>5868507
>mailto:BAZINGA

I lol'd.

>>5889289

People are saying autism, I say you are schizophrenic.

I'm so sorry.

Energy hit Higgs Bosons and stabilized into quarks

/thread?

>>5867640
>how did matter come into existance?
>come into
>come

there is no evidence that things can come into or go out of existence.

you guys are all fucking idiots

>>5951902
We can observe that matter exists. OP is asking why.

>>5953376
Can we really at a subatomic level? What about when they start jumping around and changing places lol

>>5951902
>I cannot into virtual particles

>>5953510
What are virtual particles and why do we need them?

>>5879043
Genesis isn't that bad, it's just a metaphor for the flower of life/the creation pattern

>>5955041
Fuck, wrong image.

>>5955048
Explain the picture.

>>5867640
>/sci/, how did matter come into existance?

That's easy.

"It forgot."

The hard part is remembering.

shanti shanti

om

>>5956715
>The hard part is remembering.

The hard part is the transition from remembering to knowing.

>>5922564

>>5955048
"Its a miracle! A MIRACLE!"
- sheepish crowd, Life of Brian

matter is the a product of the mind.
which in turn, is composed by matter.
nice, isn't it?

what's matter?
- never mind

what's mind?
- it doesn't matter