/sci/ - Science & Math

Nuclear war on all of the other continents

All I know is that somebody needs to fucking assassinate Mugabe in Zimbabwe

>>3435538
wars and Islam will slow down any progress that would have happened; same with most of the middle east except israel

Stable governments, non asshole leaders, and economic independence.

>>3435545
pretty much this. This entire idea also implies that every country in Africa has the desire to progress beyond huts and spears. On the other hand, Africa will prob always get exploited

>>3435595
You are ignorant and silly.

DR Congo would have to NOT be the rape capital of the world any longer.

>basically an entirely new government in 90% of the countries
>better education and information spreading (just shower and the aids come right off!)
>get china out of Africa to stop them just fucking up the place
>governments should stop being so respectful because of the fear of being called racist. they let the native rulers/kings do what ever the hell they want (in their own country or naboring countries) such as kill children if they arnt virgins at marriage and so forth (because its their culture, and we cant interfere with their culture).
>teach then how to not fuck the environment up, they are doing it at a much larger rate than developed countries.

Kill all niggers and sandniggers and put let white people take over.
It's the only way.

>>3435604
that worked out well in the past

/sarcasm

>>3435538
Africa will not develop with so many Black people there. An average IQ of 70 is not high enough to maintain any sort of civilization.

firebomb the whole thing down to the ground let nature reclaim it (about a month) then let the rest of the world divy it up

For Africa to become a first world, you would literally have to kill off the overwhelming majority of the population.

All the dictators, people with HIV, people who believe HIV can be cured through rape, Tribes still living in mud huts that birds can build better, etc.

The good news is that China is actually slowly buying land in Africa and may one day own most of the continent.

Not only will they enslave the Africans, they will allow the world access to the resources of the continent.

>>3435626

It actually worked really well until they went soft from political correctness

Once you get Islam out of Africa, it should at least progress into a second-world continent if you give it a century.

>>3435647

>implying catholicism isn't responsible for horrors and increased spread of aids in Africa

>>3435639
>The good news is that China is actually slowly buying land in Africa and may one day own most of the continent.
>good news

thats not good news, they are doing it because there are almost no laws against shit like population and fucking up the ecosystem. of the coast of Mozambique they are fishing so much that all the fish there that we can eat will be gone in 10 years. and the government dosnt give a damn because they are getting money for allowing it.

>>3435715

I thought those wacky Christians just enslaved the Africans and blacks having sex with monkeys (as well as being equipped with the aggressive African libido) helped AIDS go worldwide?

>>3435720
*pollution

>>3435720
this is good news.
we call it development.
they sell their natural resources for money, and once they have enough money they realize they want to protect their remaining resources.

The US went from entrepreneurial-industrial to "Not In My Back Yard" in less than a century. Now we spread the madness...

Economic freedom, and a functioning justice system.

A 50% population reduction and urbanization. That and some good leadership.

I remember in my supply chain class we talked about reputation of unskilled labor around the world.

Like, China is a pretty good place for unskilled labor, but they arent reliable. Also they dont respect copyright laws, so if you hire a Chinese company to many your name brand sneaker, they are likely to just leave the factory running off the clock and produce identical rip off sneakers.

India was supposedly very good, but the infrastructure is very poor. So if you hire some indian workers to make your sneaker, they likely wont be able to ship it out of the country, because they dont have functioning high ways or anything.

Mexico was good, but the workers require higher wages.

The reason I remembered this was because africa just had any bad trait you could imagine. They have no infrastructure. The area is politically and socially turbulent.

If you are going to face the facts, no one is going to make Africa a better place besides Africans. So the question becomes "Are Africans going to do anything about it?"

Okay, first off, it will never be a first world country.
That's fine, because some developed countries are third world countries.

Lets make sure definitions are clear here.The different "worlds" came about during the cold war.
First world-America and its allies
Second world-USSR and its allies
Third world-everything else
Fourth world-indigenous peoples

Developing country-makes less than $935 GNI per capita
Middle country-$935-11456 per capita
Developed country-$11456+ per capita

So for Africa to be developed, there would have to be jobs. Lots and lots of jobs. And also a stable currency that was worth anything.

However, are you asking what can be done to make Africa not a total shithole?

I'm too lazy to type up an answer...

>>3436097

>The different "worlds" came about during the cold war blah blah blah guys listen to this

Yes we all know that, even your grandmother knows that. We're using the modern meanings of "first world" and "third world", not the 1960s meaning. Language changes.

Education
Spiritualism
Brotherhood

And most importantly: Zero influence from the Western Empire which feeds Africa guns and ammo.

ugg, most of these theories fall under the presumption that if you average the population of any region, the IQ has to be the same, and all data indicating otherwise is the result of oppression.

If africa is ever to be a first world country, there will either have to be genetic engineering, or controlled breeding/euthanization in order for the Intelligence of it's population to increase and the countries to become more prosperous.

Giving them what they lack won't simply fix the problem, because they will lack the smarts to handle it properly.

>>3436250
except intelligence is largely a result of environment rather than genetics, so you need to feed them and educate them before you can expect intelligence to rise.

but you already knew that, you intelligent monkey you.

>>3436250
>>3436253

Shut up both of you. Intelligence is the result of cute animal based consumer goods. Which is why asia is so smart, and America and Europe are sort of smart.

South Africa hasn't done too bad....but that's probably down to considerable outside influence and management

>>3436258
and the largest single gold deposit in the world.

>>3436253
>>3436255
intelligence is very much genetics, Do you honestly believe that people just become stupid as a result of not having money?

>>3436272
You realize that your genes are pretty similar to a caveman's right?And that the only difference is your environment?Yeah,suck it and lurk more,fagget.

>>3436272
yep.

lack of nutrition and lack of education have been found to be far more detrimental to development than genetic heritage.

I think genetics are important, just not AS important as environment.

Actually I don't think that just because of my experiences, but because almost everything we know about human development supports it.

but you know that, don't you?

>>3436272
agreed. This is why Europeans and Asian were so advanced compared to Africa and North America centuries ago.

>>3436273
you realize that that statement is completely false, right?
learn to science.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2004/dec/29/evolution.science
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/science/08cnd-brain.html

the fact of the matter is that the human brain is constantly evolving, and that the rate at which it is evolving is increasing due to societal pressures.

>>3436275
agreed, but that doesnt mean environment is the sole cause of it. sure it is better that someone is dumb but educated than smart and uneducated, but there is a difference between smart and educated and dumb and educated.

>>3436279
links to press articles rather than journal abstracts.

ah, the irony.

>>3436273
What do you mean by caveman? Our species, Homo sapiens arose about 200,000 years ago, but were still pretty different from who we are today, even accounting for cranial plasticity. They had the stereotypically large brow-ridges and a lower skull, Neanderthals didn't even have chins 28,000 years ago, and were certainly cavemen of the same species.
Environment important. Genes also.

>>3436283
of course.

however if we can raise IQ say 50 points by feeding and educating them as children I don't think we should worry much about the ten or twenty points they genetically won't ever have.

>>3436284
fine
http://www.hhmi.org/news/lahn3.html

>>3436292
it's ok, I googled the abstracts myself.

I was just enjoying the irony of someone advising science and then going about it from the ass end.

>>3436287
of course, but the problem is feeding and educating them isn't going to be 50 IQ points higher, to be perfectly honest, i doubt it will get their IQ above 90. While it will make them do better, I really doubt it will make them do as well as everybody who would be willing to pay for that would hope it would.

>>3436300
americans are the wealthiest people I know, and their IQ is rarely above 90.

>>3436301
its about 98, and the average working American makes 30k a year.

>>3436301
and to put IQ in perspective, 5 IQ points can make the difference between voting for Bush the 2nd election. And not one state (including Utah and Mississippi) are below an average IQ of 90.

>>3436307
yes, averages...

which is wealthier, the northern liberal states or the southern conservative ones? where is IQ higher?

does wealth raise IQ, or are southern americans of inferior genetic stock? if inferior, how did they degenerate in less than 200 years?

http://whitelocust.wordpress.com/morality-and-abstract-thinking-how-africans-may-differ-from-western
ers/
Interesting, albeit anectodal story about African thinking.
They won't be first world unless you replace the black population with someone else.

the US is choking on its own legal system

I don't want anything to do with it

>>3436324
we don't make anything anymore, we need to move money around somehow.

>>3436317
To be honest, they were probably always genetically inferior. Even in the beginning days of America, the north and south were different. It probably had to do with the smart ones going north because they could earn more money with industrialization, while the dumber ones moved south because they didn't need smarts to make a living farming.

The problem is realizing that it's not so much that money causes people to be smarter, as it is that being smarter causes people to earn more money.

>>3436318
As much as I agree with some of this, it isn't going to convince anybody due to the biased nature of the site.

Africa's got it made but africans are fucked.

Intelligence is inborn. You can't educate someone to be more intelligent.

>>3436326
>it's not so much that money causes people to be smarter, as it is that being smarter causes people to earn more money.

I think both are true.

however I had relatives in both the north and south during the civil war, as did many americans.

I suppose we could have a case where the dumb kids move south and the smart ones went north, but that argues against the heredity of intelligence itself, doesn't it? at least within the context of race...

>>3436337
not really, smarter people tend to have smarter children, dumber people tend to have dumber children, this doesn't mean smart people don't have dumb children, and dumb people don't have smart children. The case actually does support the heritability of intelligence because it demonstrates how one population can branch off into a slightly dumber section and a slightly smarter section.
And what is race but one population branching off into separate populations which are noticeably different. The only difference is that the difference in populations is more distinct and noticeable depending on the length of time they are separated.

>>3436351
I wouldn't consider the northern and southern states separated though. I've often made road trips south to get laid. Good looking women down there, but dumb as shit.

but I don't know that they're actually dumb, they could just be imersed in a culture that doesn't reward displays of intelligence...

that seems likely since they seem to become several standard deviations more intelligent as soon as you drive them across the state line.

>>3436356
No, they actually are dumb. The fact of the matter is that smart people tend to move to where other smart people live, and dumb people tend to either stay where they are or move to where other dumb people are so they have a better chance at competing for a better job.

Think about it, when is the last time you ever heard of an Ivy league educated person moving to a dumb hick town?

The populations simply seperate themselves based on intelligence. It kind of brings us back to the article that said how the human brain is evolving fast for society related reasons. This trait is shared uniquely among humans, I have never heard of an animal that moved destinations based on the intelligence of it's species in the population.

Really, the only reason to think culture is the cause of a difference in IQ, is a need to give an explanation as to why there is an observed difference in intelligence.

>>3436372
Except we can point to explicit genetic and environmental reasons for extreme loss of intelligence in many cases, so we can't say that one or the other is the sole cause.

examples: down syndrome- genetic and dumb
infant hypoxia- environmental and dumb
chronic lead poisoning- environmental and dumb
vitamin b12 deficiency- environmental and dumb

less obvious links have been found to general nutrition.

clear links have been found to type and time of education. Example, protestant christian children tend to do better than average on linguistic portions of IQ tests presumably because they're taught and encouraged to read at a much earlier age than other groups.

given so many causes and correlations I'm not sure how anyone could honestly settle on either nature or nurture as a gestalten conclusion.

>Intelligence is inborn. You can't educate someone to be more intelligent.

Regardless of whether that's true, there are a thousand ways to make a child stupider, all the way down to 'vegetable'.

Malnutrition is the number one most reliable way of ensuring a child grows up to be mentally retarded. Guess what Africa has a lot of?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/11/041117005027.htm

We need to kill all the niggers and replace them with humans. That'd be enough.

>>3436388
populations being just being different intellectually is the main problem, because that is the cause of all the other problems that lead to a population being even dumber.

Agreed that yes, malnutrition will cause severe differences in intelligence, but, that as an explanation as to why the populations are different doesn't explain why they are subject to malnutrition to begin with.

So yes, in severe cases, like ethiopia in the mid 80's, malnutrition would be the main cause of such a drastic difference in intelligence, but even with that issue being fixed, the intelligence gap isn't closed.

Intelligence can be learned just like any other trait. If you believe you are born intelligent or it´s some thing inate which can´t be learned you need a reality check. Using this same logic people are born proffesional athletes, chefs etc.

In general, the people of Africa do not have the same level education most of us had. Even those who go to school every day are very likely learning at a level below what were learning at the same age.

Intelligence is not some thing you are born with, you learn just like you would learn any thing else and if you dont have access to schools or books or the internet then you are doomed to be dumb. That is the problem Africa has, its not because niggers are inherently stupid its quite simply that they dont have the same oppurtunities most of us have.

>>3436418
I think we're agreeing in different terms.

I agree that once environmental and cultural factors are removed we'll still see variations in the intelligence of populations, and that those variations are genetic in nature. I just don't know that we can look at a race, which is often also a culture and socioeconomic group, and examine it's intelligence without considering other variables that also contribute.

works for individuals, and works brilliantly for twin studies... but not so useful for populations such as nations or groups of nations.

>>3436426
i've met some blacks that didn't fit the 'socioeconomic cultural whatever' bill and they were still pretty stupid

>>3436426
well, you can't judge the capability of a race based solely on it's performance. For that you do need to take into account environment and such. However, for IQ tests, the culture and environment is much less of a factor for performance.

Of course, that being said, the standard deviation of intelligence within a race is actually quite large, so even though the average intelligence between races is quite noticable, it isn't uncommon for a member of an unintelligent race to be smarter than average compared to a member of a more intelligent race.

So, I think we can compare races, we just can't use that to compare individuals. only when comparing large populations

>>3436425
Im going to ignore the majority of flaws in your argument and just focus on this one, What makes you think intelligence isn't something you are born with? If that is true, then why can't chimps be educated to the same level as humans?

>>3436437
again, examples of individuals, not an entire group.

you give me a population of blacks that have assimilated entirely into white culture, enjoyed the same education and nutrition that whites do, and are still fucktarded without being exposed to gangsta ghetto culture and I'll agree that's a genetic fault.

I'm not saying it isn't a genetic fault, I'm just saying people you've met don't constitute a significant sample, and haven't been nearly as isolated from destructive influence as you'd like to imagine.

also, since you're looking for reasons for their inferiority so you can feel better about yourself instead of trying to help them, you are...

a worthless nigger.

sorry. it's probably because of your education, nutrition, or maybe just bad genes. Not entirely your fault.

>>3436445
maybe, but environmental effects on cognitive ability exist, and disproportionately affect some races because they're predominant in some environments.

controlling for that fact is as far as I know currently impossible.

>>3436453
true, there will always be an environmental factor that will distort the gap so that we will never actually know the difference in intelligence between races, but until that is minimized, I feel it is more accurate to put the gaps at the IQ test results of blacks 85, hispanics 90, whites 100, asians 106, Jews 113. While It isn't going to be 100% accurate, I think it is much more accurate than saying there is no difference at all.

>>3436451
how about lack of sleep faggot.

also, the carribean. every black there ive met is fucktarded

>>3436472
>>3436453
fyi, i feel the need to clarify that that blacks in this case are american blacks, subsaharan blacks scored an IQ of 70, with the difference probably being explained with a combination of environment and being more fullblooded african than their american counterparts.

>>3436472
since that's essentially measured averages without correction, I'd agree it's the best we can do.

I'd like to see American IQ's broken down by race, location and income, because we have people of all races falling into certain subcultures, and the comparison would perhaps indicate better actual racial differences.

but then again we have the problem of dumber people choosing dumber groups, and the questions of does being dumb make you poor, does being poor make you dumb, does being dumb attract you to other dumb people, does being attracted to dumb people make you dumb... etc.

I doubt it matters though, we're too PC to go after actual results that could confirm what people actually fear.

>>3436472

Jews 113 my ass, look at Israel

>>3436477
the caribbean is an interesting culture.

I've only spent a couple months in Nassau, but I met a lot of fucktarded blacks there... as well as some highly intelligent ones.

I think walking the streets you mostly meet the fucktarded kind. You have to search a bit to find the intelligent ones. I don't think they like hanging out with the tards anymore than you or I.

>>3436490
yeah, its a shame politics gets in the way advancement in knowledge.

I have this pic saved though, which is some indicator. I don't have sources though, so I cant verify if it is 100% correct. Still, it seems plausible

>>3436493
look at the winners of nobel prizes. Honestly, after a systematic killing like the holocaust, you tell me the remaining Jews aren't going to be more intelligent.

>>3436503
I don't know that it's an indicator so long as stereotypes exist and people suffer under confirmation bias in their own performance. also of course there's the problems of self-reporting of race.

if true though the trends would seem to fit other data.

>>3436510
herpity fucking derp.

>be an jew
>be in a concentration camp
>be lined up with 50 other jews next to trench
>be intelligent
>survive machine gun fire because of intelligence

i don't think it works like that bro. you'd think some /sci/ nerd would at least know that intelligence points don't affect evasion.

>>3436521
the ability to flee the country before it went to shit or be protected as a necessary scientist or simply hide from patrols for years on end all require intelligence.

>>3436524
>the ability to flee the country before it went to shit
>mfw you're still living in the USA

oh you

>>3436542
>>3436524
>>3436521
>>3436510

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4373437/Maus__A_Survivor__s_Tale
dl, read, it's quite good also based on real events

>>3436279
You imply that human brain got better in 14,000 years. That is impossible.You can simply go 14,000 years back,take a baby and he will function as good as you,and will be as smart as you.
People are still believing in IQ. Oh god. IQ is not scientific.
Genetics is a factor in intelligence.. Environment is a greater factor.
By that logic,you can imply nobody can be a bodybuilder. It has a genetical factor.But training and nutrition is a greater factor.

l2science

>>3436595

you l2science
lactose tolerance has developed and spread to the majority of western population in a few 1000 years
body building is al steriods and otehr chemicals and don't even try to deny it

IQ may not be 100% accurate to determine intelligence but it is the best that is available and it does show a correlation between higher iq and school results
http://www.lrainc.com/swtaboo/taboos/apa_01.html

>>3436127
Maybe you could use the real definitions...like the ones people who actually know WTF they're talking about use.

But you won't, because you're a basement dwelling neckbeard who has a billion "great ideas" on how to improve the world. You probably watch Fox news too.

>>3436622
>>3436595

genetics is what sets apart professional bodybuilders from regular ones. They all work hard, use drugs and have the best routines and diets...the one factor that decides the winner is genetics, in the end.

>>3436622


like 83% or more of humans are lactose intolerant to some degree....so genetics takes longer than a few 1000 years to do anything

>>3436577
Yes, I've read it before and it is quite good.
The main thing about intelligence being good for surviving the holocaust isn't so much for once you get stuck in a concentration camp, but rather avoiding it.
It wasn't exactly like how it is portrayed as every Jew got rounded up except the few lucky ones who fled before the the holocaust. There was actually alot of wealthy, higher up Jews bribing concentration camp gaurds to escape. Being sent to a concentration camp was mostly only a death sentence for someone who had nothing to offer the nazis.

>2011 and still believe niggers are a worthy cause.

Give it up man. These degenerate bastards will never amount to anything other than staring on the national geographic channel.

>implying religion is the problem

All the religious states are in north africa and decent countries while subsaharan africa is a massive shithole.

Nigeria has fertile land, many rivers for irrigation/transporation, minerals and oil. It also has a relatively stable government and a decent leader.

Unsurprisingly, their economy is growing at 8% per year and they are one of the most successful nations in Africa.

Were there people that donated food and free education to Europe in order for them to pull themselves out of the muck?

For Africa to become a first world continent it will need third world countries to steal-er... buy resources from; a vast military-industrial compl-er... infrastructure, and starting capital equal to roughly twice the US GDP.

>>3436287
>food aid
>good

>>3438364
Yes, they were called arabs.

http://www.ais.org/~bsb/Herald/Previous/95/science.html

>>3437497

83% a number clearly pulled out of your ass but lack of sources

also learn to read was posted western

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0100-879X2007001100004&lng=en&nr
m=iso&tlng=en
from article in western europe only 5 to 10% of the population is lactose intolerant in contrast to asia or africa with up to 90%

seems to me argument still holds

>>3438331

Their population and inflation is growing faster than that.

So technically they're becoming poorer with more worthless money.

Learn2economy

>>3436326
The reason the south has very low IQs is because of their extremely high black population.

>>3438393
and who donated to the arabs?

>>3438411

the jews.

And the egyptians donated to the jews, and africans donated to the egyptians.

Everything goes in cycles

When they get more rocket launching facilities.
large scale nano tech.

But the trash heap cities and the people inside do need to not have babies...

It's hard to see news about Africa and not get depressed. It's like nothing good ever happens there. They've always been poor and starving and seemingly always will. War, famine, drought, corruption, disease. Fucking million children are facing death by famine because of some tribal muslim extremists. Since the end of colonialization things have just gotten worse. A lot worse in some cases. Why are Indians dragging themselves out of poverty and not Africans? They used to be just as poor and colonized.

1: Let them fight it out, let nation states form with evil totalitarian dictators, let them exterminate the opposition and restore stability.

2: Send in our evil corporations to do deals with the evil dictators of all the stable nation states, because all the guerillas are dead and the totalitarian dictator wants money shit will get done, bridges, dams, road, ports, rail, light industries will get set up, plantations will kick subsistence farmers off their land and they will go to work in the sweatshops in the city.

3: As the economy becomes more sophisticated the population will have to be educated, eventually a middle class will develop and dense populations in the cities, the dictator will also have more money to spare and when he looks at his cost-risk assessments and balance sheet he will see that paying soldiers to keep order is more expensive than the meager wage increases the poor demand, slowly political liberalization will occur in tandem with economic growth.

4: After several decades the countries will pretty much be developed, they will have their own corporations and a plutocracy of businessmen who will be on par with the dictator's generals, many of whom also have business interests, eventually the middle classes will demand some new political right and the dictator will test them to see if they really mean it and as situation will arise where soldiers are pointing guns at the sons and daughters of the friends and neighbours of the plutocracy, the dictator will decide "alright, I'll retire with my millions, we had good times didn't we, I did my duty for my country, I knew this day would come, you're welcome democratic republic of Congo".

>>3438426
and where did the Africans get it from?

Which came first intelligence or an increase in food production?

>>3438426

>And the egyptians donated to the jews

by making them slaves?
anyway, the arabs didn't get their knowledge from the jews but from the Greeks after alexander conquered them.
then Islam came along and it was okay at first, but then they started hating free thought and Europe was ready to quite being stupid so they got the knowledge again (from India actually).
anyway, you could take the money food and power of every nation in the world outside of africa and give it to africa for a hundred years and it will still be in the shit.
when 25% of the population believes in magic and raping virgins is considered a valid cure for aids you can't progress until your entire culture changes from the ground up.

>>3438441
I don't think muslims are the cause of the plight in most of subsaharan africa. What even more ironic is how south africans are murdering any immigrant from zimbabwe.

I don't think /sci/ knows how important religion and their strict rules about monogomy are to civilization. Look up pair bonder and tournament breeders.

>>3438529

they didn't.
farming was never common in Africa.

>>3438574
Thats my point.