/sci/ - Science & Math

>mfw my parents are rich and i could study anything I want

Bro has a masters in Econ and Poly Sci from a great school
Bitch doesnt have a real job

you'd have to be a fucking idiot to do that, so i'm sure there are plenty of folks who have.

>>2936383
u could always teach english overseas with a BA in anything

japan and skorea pay like 2.2-3.2k a month starting.

>>2936425
wouldn't you also need to know japanese or korean?

My ex- has two BAs, one in Fine Art, and one in Sociology.

She makes minimum wage doing seasonal labor on a nature trail. It's actually pretty fun work, from what I hear, except for the just barely treading water financially bit.

So I guess it's sort of a really mild horror story.

>>2936425

My bro is over in Taiwan doing just this. It's modest wages, but the overhead is so low over there that it goes really, really, really far.

Plus, the NT has been fairly steady against the dollar for the past few years.

I went to CC for 2 years before transferring and getting my BS.

A girl in one of my classes was 70k in debt and her fiance was 80k because they changed their majors so many times.

I personally know several people who majored in art history, philosophy, and psychology who can't get a job and had to apply to grad school to even have a chance at making their degree useful.

Ideally, you should have a job and career path planned out before you go to university. University is far too expensive to be going just for the sake of learning.

>>2936432
I've heard that teaching little kids doesn't really require the teacher to speak too much Japanese. Still, it would sound like a horrible idea to walk into Japan not knowing a word of Japanese is a terrible idea since you'd never be able to do anything outside of the kindergarten classroom.

All these people majored in something worthless, some from no name schools. But they all shit all over engineers (useful). You will never compete with entertainment people for LA/NYC type women. Besides where are you going to school, because an econ degree from Caltech will take you further than an engineering degree from Cal State Fullerton.

Les Moonves - CBS TV - Spanish
Jeff zucker - NBC TV - History
Roger Faxon- EMI Music - International Relations
Michael Bay - Director - English/Film
Michael Mann - Director - English
Samuel Ku - Fashion - AG Adriano Goldschmied
Bob Iger - Disney/ABC - Film/Television
Brady Dougan - Credit Suisse - Economics

>>2936513

This is called cherry-picking.

Statistics at large are what count, and they favor technical degree-holders.

Friend did a BA in creative writing. Now lives in York making minimum wage and doesn't save any of his money. But still tells everyone about how one day he'll move to New Zealand and work on this amazing apple orchard he knows about and never have to worry about things again.

He's in for a shock when he learns about how visas work.

>Can /sci/ provide me with horror stories of people who graduated from college with a BA in something totally useless and are now unemployed and tens of thousands of dollars in debt?
I can't because my countrie isn't a horribe shithole
But serioulsy, do chemistry, it's fun and you'll most certainly get a job

>>2936531

Seems like steps (n-1) and (n) in his plan are "????" and "PROFIT!"

>>2936513

That's 8 people out of the ~80,000 that graduate every year in the US alone.

The exemption proves the how few people will ever get to that level.

>BSci In physics
>Any teaching position I want
>minimum wage and no pension starting

Son what you're referring to is the philosophers paradox

>>2936383

yes its called anyone that goes to for profit colleges.

i work for a for profit college company, who's job it is to put stupid and ingonrant people into debt through government loans.

>>2936539
yep.

>CSI comes on tv in UK
>No. of people doing forensic degrees increased by 5000% since(literally), about 15,000 graduates a year
>900 forensic jobs in whole of the UK

>>2936554

I am still amazed that people even go to for profit schools.

All schools are for profit, but a school that out right admits it is already a major red flag.

The massive tuition, combined with how the for profit schools consistently score below state schools, makes me wonder why people continue to choose these.

>>2936559
Oh god this. This was on the news or some tv show a little while ago. I laughed so much.

And those 900 don't even do anything like in CSI.

>>2936571
>All schools are for profit
America, I am dissapoint

>Can /sci/ provide me with horror stories of people who graduated from college with a BA in something totally useless and are now unemployed and tens of thousands of dollars in debt?

http://studentloanjustice.org/victims.htm

enjoy, reading these stories further reinforced the decision to not go to a private schools and not major in useless shit.

>>2936573
There's probably like 50 jobs with an actual CSI unit, the rest is taking a spunk sample from the corpse's armpit

>>2936583

I'm a biochemistry major and I've actually done a lot of similar experiments/labs that they do in CSI. In the show, they run the tests and get results back within 5 minutes total. IRL, these tests can take a few hours to even a day or two to finish and obtain results.

>>2936583

FLAKY WHITE STUFF?!

>>2936598

Plus non-zero error bars, I'm assuming.

Something they almost always ignore on TV.

>>2936598
"Hey there's a skin cell beneath the victims fingernail, i'll just sequence the genome.........done. Looks like our killers genes....are a perfect fit."
>YEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>2936598
That and then the however many hours of going through the books to know where whatever chemical is found where. rather than just off the head remembering that chemical bihydroxide sulfricaly mumborymonoxate is found in the paint the suspect used on his car the week before.

>Go to decent Canadian school ($7000/year tution + books), study mechanical engineering
>Work 2 full time jobs over the summer, every summer, doing labour in the sub-arctic
>Pull $40,000 in those 4 month terms
>Manage to get an engineering degree, living on my own, without any debt or parental support
>Bonus of being ripped from labor jobs

>>2936605
To be fair, that would make for shit TV.

>>2936571

For profit colleges don't have admission standards.

We accept anyone who has a GED or Diploma, the reason the students come to for profit schools is because it's their only option. They come to us because standard colleges won't accept them.

>tv science

>>2936615
I was going to make a joke about a ripped gay engineer, but I'm actually impressed, so I wont. Good on you.

>>2936617

No, it would just make for harder-to-write TV.

How much more depth and conflict would there be if the lab technicians had to fret over whether or not their tests are accurate enough to really be pegging the right killer?

I mean, House dabbles in this pretty frequently. Even if it is still pretty off-the-wall in terms of accuracy, it gets the scientific method bit down better than most CSI shows.

>>2936631

There have been several cases on house where the doctors got false positives or a test was done wrong. It's always written as a focus point rather than usual testing error though.

I'm going to start studying pharmacy and be paying upwards of 40K per year for six years. Is this a good investment?

So I'm on prepaid college right now...but that's going to run out sometime during my third year and I'll have to take a loan (UCF) for computer engineering.

How much shit am I in for?

>>2936580

I love how most of the people posting these stories are either single moms or people from dysfunctional/poor families that went to for profit/trade schools for useless degrees.

Darwinism at its finest

>>2936672

Keep your grades up, and try to bag some grants. It could help a lot.

barak obama polisci

>>2936383

>>I'm going to start studying pharmacy...

no. no matter how much money you spend, you'll still be an illiterate idiot at the finish.

save your money and take narcotics. you'll be better served.

>>2936669

Depends

Do some research and find out what the job out look is like in your state and surrounding states.

Find out if the number of pharmacy jobs is increasing and decreasing.

Find out what the average salary is. Find out if you be making enough to pay off $240,000+ in a reasonable amount of time.

You don't want to be 50 paying off student loans, no retirement savings, and other debt.

And again, ask yourself what will you do if you don't do this.

>>2936675

You mean I can't make $100,000 my first year out of college with my philosophy/psychology/business/art/women's studies/african american studies/history degree?

That's not fair. I had a C average and paid $20,000 a year for it.

>>2936683

>implying a poli sci degree from Columbia (not to mention a J.D. from Harvard) isn't worth more than what you have

>study CS at UIUC (College of Engineering, obviously)
>one of best universities for my field
>$30,000 scholarship, plus some help from my parents means I graduate with minimal debt
>virtually guaranteed a good paying job

>>2936580

I'm so happy I'm not an american.

>>2936675
Some of them have legitimate claims though. These one lady apparently paid off her debt in full, but got a call 20 years later asking her to pay some six-figure value in full because of some accounting error she's struggling to deal with in court.

>>2936615
$40k in four months? wtf? why'd you even bother with the degree? And wtf did you do?

>>2936540

I am sure some of these people were told their majors were worthless. Besides only a few make it to the top of any career path.

The only thing an engineering degree is good for is to have something to fall back on. In California the highest paying jobs for new engineering grads are as analysts/consultants. These jobs go to the good looking non Gook/Curry-Nigger people.

>>2936580

>mfw Excel format only

God, my eyes.

>>2936725

I imagine even the lowliest worker in the sub-Arctic gets compensated at least that well just on hazard pay.

>>2936580
>Doctorate in psychology
>Found out she had 'math anxiety'
>Owes 250k with 7% interest
>Managed to drown her husband (MD) in her debt pit, too

This is absolutely brilliant stuff.

>>2936728

3/10

I am so happy that I saw you on TV. Now, I feel there may be some hope for me. My story is...

I attended the University of Kentucky. I earned an undergraduate degree in Social Work, & a two graduate degrees,one in Social Work & the other in Education. Since I earned all these degree, I thought that I would get a good paying job, and have a wonderful career. Needless to say, I owe student loans over $100,000, & I have a very low paying job making approximately $34,000 a year. I am so stressed out about this debt, because I don't even earn enough money to pay my mortgage. If I had any idea that attending school and earning a degree would cause this much hardship, I would have never gone! I tried everything to get these loans forgiven, however no such luck. I work with disadvantage youth in one of the poorest neighborhoods in Kentucky. The student loan people just keeps adding interest to the $100,000. I don't see any way out, and I feel like I'm drowning in debt!

> I am so stressed out about this debt, because I don't even earn enough money to pay my mortgage.
>mortgage

>I earned an undergraduate degree in Social Work, & a two graduate degrees,one in Social Work & the other in Education.

>>2936725
I did labour (they called us roughnecks) on the rigs in the Athabasca oil sands. Pay was about $35 an hour, but the work was tough. Lived on site, no alcohol allowed. Room and board covered. I worked one A-shift (9 hours a day Mon-Thurs) and one C-shift (12 hours a day Fri-Sun). It was backbreaking work and there's no way somebody could reasonably manage to do what they did if they weren't a fit 22 year old kid.

After the four months, and after taxes, I had about $30k to live / buy books and pay tuition with for the remaining 8 months of the year.

>>2936749

As someone else already noted, the majority of these are women-usually single mothers- and 99% of these people majored in social sciences, humanities, liberal arts, or business

>>2936677

Grants? How exactly do I know if I qualify?

>>2936807

A lot of them are situation specific. Grants for certain types of students in certain fields, and the like.

Google will help you.

>>2936782

Then they became single mothers after graduating because anyone with a child going to school is going to have the state pay for it.

That is how financial aid works here.

>>2936740

Gook or Curry-Nigger?

>>2936675
>>2936675


yup Darwin at his finest, weeding out the poor and ingorant people.

Think about it, for profit colleges make billions of dollars on poor ignorant simpletons.

Modern day Darwinism indeed, these corporate Lions survive by feasting on these poor ignorant simpletons that are there prey.

>>2936830

Curry-Gook.

>>2936853

>there

I usually let these go, but you'll have to admit, that's an ironic typo.

If you graduate with tens of thousands of debt, you're doing it wrong. Between working and scholarships/bursaries, unless your tuition is $40k/year, you should be able to make it through debt-free.

>AI was a young man struggling to complete my Phd. in student loan counseling. In order to complete the four years of graduate school, (six years in my case) I had to sign numerous student loans of my own. Of which accounted for more that $160,ooo. As it turned out, I found out after graduation that student loan counselors are not in high demand in my home town. Now I know your thinking, "why didnt he check the future of this occupation before he spent six years studying it?" Well I have a good reason for you, well the truth is I continuously forgot to plan for my future. As George Bush would put it "College is a time for parting and having fun." I blame this poor governmental example for all the debt. that the youth of america are suffering. It is truly the corporate CEO who have taken advantage of the innocence of today.

What the fuck? They have PhD's in student loan counseling?

There sure has been a big increase in libertarian and republican idiot posts lately.

If only these students had the bootstraps and the inheritance to make it like our great innovators, the people on wall street.

>>2937020

>Go into massive student loan debt
>To be a student loan counselor

Irony at its finest

>Have a good reason not to check future job outlook
>"I continuously forgot to plan for my future"
>"College is a time for partying and having fun"

>Majoring in student loan counseling
>Blame corporate CEO's

You can't make this stuff up

>>2937032

No one is forcing these people to spend tens of thousands at private schools for degrees that are not in demand

If you want to learn art, psychology, history, philosophy, or business, the library is free and you already have internet.

If you have the money, then do whatever you want, but for 99% of people, It makes no sense to spend a hundred grand to study something that will not be able to get you anywhere in life.

>>2937020

I'm doing a PH.D in physics and interning at CERN. This july I get to fly down to the HLC. I also met Dr. Brian Cox and Dr. Michio Kaku last February during a convention.

Physics doesn't exactly get you the pay but if you like what you're doing you'll do well.

Also most of my education was paid for with scholarships and since i'm in Canada a years tuition is about 6000$ minus the scholarships I paid 2 thousand roughly a year.

>>2937073
>>2937020

I think the guy is trolling

http://www.forgivestudentloandebt.com/content/share-your-student-loan-stories

>I am a college student, about to go for a 5th year of undergraduate.
I couldn't complete my degree on 4 years because I changed my majors after freshman yr. I started out as engineering major. But I had this passion to be an actor in high school. I transferred out and auditioned for the Acting program at my university. I was fed up with engineering. My grades were at a 3.0. I never wanted to do it.
I was accepted into the School of Theatre, 4 out of 70 auditions. I took this as sign to pursue my dream. They told I still need a full 4 years in the Acting program. So I said, sure why not! I'll be a successful actor someday!

>HOW STUPID WAS I?
I went on for 3 years as an Actor. I loved every second of it. My GPA became a 3.4...
But I took out 24,000 in FEDERAL LOANS!!!!!!!!!!! 24,000!!!!

>I still haven't graduated yet. Next May, I can graduate. But my debt will be $32,000. I have to decide. I regret my stupid decision. I COULD have pursued acting, without going to college! What was I thinking??? I was so afraid that I needed some real experience. Now I will have to pay for this for the rest omy life.

>Someone, tell me. Should I go back to school and graduate with a BFA and 32,000 debt?
Or should I drop out with 24,000?
Both roads sound like a disaster to me. I am 21 years old. And I feel like my life is over. What should I do?

hahaha oh wow

I feel bad for all you Americans man.

Your typical undergrad course here in New Zealand costs 700-1000 NZD. We get to use student loans that have no interest, and we can take the rest of our damn lives paying it off with monthly rates that are barely noticeable.

Fuck America. I'm so glad I left that shithole.

>>2937256
>mfw a 3.0 is well above average at many engineering schools

Question for the Americans, how much the average cost for a four year Bachelors program at a run of the mill state school? I'm a Canadian with a useless degree, but my tuition was only like 5000 a year, all these debt stories are absolutely crushing.

>>2937542
I think it's usually 10-20K, depending on things like board, books and whether you live in state or not.

>>2937912

Good fucking God!!!

>major in chem e
>work my ass off
>3.8 GPA
>find a job relatively quickly, 67k/yr
>pay off loans asap
>no problems

>>2937542

I went to a state school.

Each semester was about ~$5000, not counting rent, food, and gas.

There are two other major universities in my state that charge $10,000 per semester for the same degree. There are also some shittier ones and CC that charge less

For a state school of average prestige, you are looking at ~$60,000-$80,000 tuition for 4 years. Many go well over that, and these are just state schools we're talking about

Our system is fucked beyond repair because higher education has become a debt trap that is guaranteed money.

Our politicians even made laws that prevent students from defaulting on student loans.

I got lucky and had a scholarship that paid $4,000 of mine each semester. I only had about $2,000 worth the expenses each semester and I paid that in cash.

>full scholarship to USC, including tuition, room and board
>because of this, parents are happy to pay for everything else
>dont take out any loans

>join the army
>spend 3 years shooting guns and working out
>come back to 600 a month disability 1500 a month housing allowance with full ride for 3 years of school
>get looked about with more consideration for EVERYTHING due to being a veteran


hahaahhahahaa

>In an Aviation Diploma program
>$28k/year tuition
>Maximum student loans at $13k/year
>Currently taking out student loans and bank loans, as well as working and getting $6k of scholarships every year
>Not enough money
>Fuuuuuuuuuck

>>2936554
Sir you have earned the most evil person in /sci/ award

>>2937912
no way
I live in the US an pay a fraction of that
and I don't even have scholarships

>>2938184
lolfag

I have to pay 20k but I have full ride because my parents are too poor and my grade are too amazing.

>mfw everyone ITT is a materialistic douche

i earn min. wage and LOVE my life, i live with 3 of my bros and we just chill and smoke weed often. we have jobs very nearby, so no long commute. also we have no responsibilities. getting a 'good' job gets a lot of money, yes, but usually takes up most of your life

>>2937542
>all these debt stories are absolutely crushing.
How so? It didn't happen to you.

>Be British
>£3375/year tuition fees
>that and maintenance (read:booze) money loaned at zero interest in real terms
>pay it back from nearly-unnoticeable portion of wages
>average starting salary for a MechEng graduate: 24k/year
>rulebrittania.jpg

>Go to private school
>Study philosophy because it's my passion
>Take out loans
>Graduate with over $200k in debt
>No jobs
>Go to grad school
>More debt
>Run off to Mexico
>Join a drug cartel
>Kill my way to the top
>scarface.png
What could go wrong?

>>2937542
I went to UCSD for my undergrad degree, one of the best state schools in the country. Studied Poli Sci. No scholarships, just a reasonable aid package.

I graduated last year and my parents are paying down my debt, which is about 100 grand. I'm debating law school at the moment, but that's another 150 grand with job prospects that aren't great. I'll probably join the military now, most likely the Navy. I'll probably end up on a cold and lonely submarine.

This is what happens when you study the liberal arts.

>>2938303

24kUK£ = 40kUS$

>Rulebritania.jpg
>lol
>mfw you think thats money....

>>2938321
I wonder how much the discrepancy between average income in America and the UK means when Americans pay so much for health care and other things Brits pay for with their taxes.

>>2938338

You know... not all Americans pay outrageous sums of money for healthcare. How much do you pay a year for health insurance?

>>2938371
Uh nothing. It's included in my tax bill

I knew some one who was going to one of those "For-profit" schools (Art institute i think) for film. They were charging fucking $90,000 per YEAR. And it was all on loans.

So he's about half a million in the can right now, could be doing well with his job for all I know but I doubt it. He was only there cause his parents demanded he go to college.

>>graduate in Australia

>>student loans are interest free and you don't have to pay them off till you're earning big bucks

mfw we have been freed from the shackles of capitalist tertiary education, jelly?

>implying tens of thousands is alot of money

sure is poverty in here

>>2938416

So how much comes out of your taxes for healthcare.

>>2937032
as someone with a supposedly lucrative major* and high GPA I'm just as worried about financial hardship as anybody else because I'm rather keenly aware that there are much bigger factors when it comes to financial success such as

A) Race (I don't pass for white or asian)
B) How much my parents make (not much)
C) Networking/nepotism (I have to schmooze to fit in and go to stupid events and make friends with people I don't particularly care for and name drop the right buzzwords)

I know shit tons of EEs and MEs and ChemEs and CS people working minimum wage as well

* Double major Computer Engineering/Computer Science

>>2937032
In America they send you to prison if you even dare to try 'bootstrapping' your way up. The American Dream and social mobility is a myth. This is no longer, and perhaps never was, the land of opportunity.
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/7fd436bb46b54b2192bc07354d1950f5/CT--School-Residency-Arrest/

Just getting this off of my chest:

These threads always turn into pissing contests where people tend to greentext their situation and brag about it.

The worst kind of people, like the first poster in this thread ( >>2936385 ), are the ones that think that just because they got financially lucky or are lucky because they were born smart, that they are better than everyone else.

This is the internet.

Good for you. It takes a very immature and insecure person to boast over the goddamned internet.

>mfw parents are rich and im going to Harvard
>got in because I went to prep schools my whole life
>you all must be shitty people for not being born into such a good situation
>mfw mfw mfw mfw mfw mfw
>making 43857294k while only paying 0k dollars lol
>my weinzor is so big

Go fuck yourself.

>>2938540

That's actually false. My family moved here from Czechoslovakia pre WW2 and made 50 cents a week coal mining in Illinois.

Today, we have stable jobs paying six figures and I have the opportunity to attend and afford a top-20 undergrad education.

I'm not saying that its easy, I'm saying its possible. My dad had to work 40 hours a week all throughout his public high school education just so he could afford college.

It doesn't come easy, and the rich sure as hell aren't going to give it free. But its possible.

>>2938591
trolled hard

>>2938661

Not really trolled at all actually. Its just stupid that when the point of a thread is to discuss problems at large within education/community, people feel the need to gloat about their situation. Obviously anecdotal evidence like that has nothing to do with the problem at hand.

>>2938653
>pre-WW2
>Czechoslovakia
>your parents were white as hell
>totally different economic climate
>despite all this, it took 2-3 generations and a great deal of luck for you to be well off

>>2938540
>mfw a black woman attempts to educate her children and ends up in jail for this
god damn, america

>>2938694

I would really argue with the "great deal of luck." We worked hard, and beyond that we were wise with money instead of blowing the paycheck on booze like so many other people.

People like you say that its impossible to pull yourself up from poverty because in your head, you are expecting some rich person to just drop out of the sky and offer you a college education, a six figure job, and a huge house.

How the fuck do you think class changes even work?

Have fun being a nigger.

>Always wanted to do art when I grow up
>Friends halfheartedly supports me, parents all for it
>Graduate High school, lost and without direction
>Parent's friend informs me of weekly Calarts life drawing workshops
>Do life drawing for a year
>Faculty member notices my work, urges me to apply
>Go into Character Animation, 30k/year tuition
>Make student film in sophomore year
>Asked to work for a company doing animation and other odd jobs during summer vacation
>$21/hour
>Get ready to go back to school
>Company asks me to stay for 50k salary, decline
>Make another student film
>CN scout asks me to work on a show for 70k salary
>Drop out of Calarts, work at CN for three years
>Present own idea for show, rejected but...
>Asked to become lead animator for a new show
>100k salary
>Loans paid off first year working at CN
>Pumped for month long vacation traveling around Italy
>Probably going to tour around all the art museums
>Living the dream

Fun fact, pedigree is everything.

>>2938722
>Living the dream
>Posting on 4chan: specifically /sci/

>>2938700

Yeah because that's exactly what is going on behind this case. Let me just play this out for you so you can see how ignorant you are.

*Secret Illuminati Chapter Meeting*

"Guys, how do we handle this. This innocent, loving, kind, poor mother has enrolled her son in school using a different address. It's because she's homeless."

"Is there any other reason reason that this lady may be a problem? Drugs? Criminal activity? Is she abusing this child?"

"No sir, she's a model citizen that is hard of luck."

"Charge that woman for all she is worth. We will not stand for a poor woman trying to send her son to school. I'm glad that she didn't go through the numerous, easy avenues to do this legally. The poor must be kept down. Put this bitch in prison."
Oversimplifying bastard.

>>2938084
Canadian education

Shitty community colleges:
$5000 a year

Low-tier universities:
$5000 a year

Mid-tier universities:
$5000 a year

Top-tier universities:
$5000 a year

McGill / Waterloo / Toronto-tier universities:
$5000 a year

>>2938672

>No wai guize, im not actually mad at all, heres a three paragraph post on why i'm not mad actually.

>>2938722

Wow, this is so enlightening. You have found the secret to breaking the system!!! Get a shitty art degree, stupidly turn down many good job offers, and get lucky in the end.

You are right. The system isn't broke.

>>2938591
Read that post you filthy cunt. It's easy to succeed when you have a huge fucking safety net.

>>2938711
Explain this bullshit.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30437468/
http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873
http://www.jobbankusa.com/News/Hiring/hiring100803a.html
http://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/06/12/some-facts-about-racism/

>>2938732
That sounds about correct, yeah.

>>2938745

I am mad. But it's not because I am being trolled, its because of the hundreds of posts like this I always see on /sci/ or anywhere else.

I'm assuming you are one of the people I was addressing. The whole point was to tell people like you that you're ignorant twats.

Mad? Yes. Deal with it.

This is /sci/ and I know how much you guys love charts, graphs, and maps.

Here's a map

>>2938672

You clearly must be extremely jealous (and mad) when you read posts such as >>2936385.
It happens; life isn't fair. Some have much more than you and they didn't sweat a drop for it. Quit crying.

>>2938757
and here's a graph (note the sharp cliff around 1980)

>>2938746

Success is entirely determined by which school you went to. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

oh and how about some links none of you will read

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2006/04/b1579981.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/06/opinion/06herbert.html

>>2938757
>US is only one in dark blue

That's depressing.

>>2938747

Actually, you explain to me why blacks and hispanics don't take advantage of free schooling, scholarships for fucking college just because of the color of their skin, and affirmative action employment. Instead, they are running the streets and are obsessed with a culture of drugs and degrading women.

Many blacks and hispanics DO actually pull themselves up and become the first in their family to graduate college. Money is hardly ever an issue. Grades are, however, because niggers don't value an education.

I agree that the opportunities are not always the same, but don't you dare say that there is no avenue for blacks and hispanics to succeed.


You are an extremely ignorant individual. Go pick up your welfare check and buy some crack.

>>2938303
Average starting salary for a Mech Engg here is $65k or so (42k sterling). Mid-career is in the $120-150k range

>>2938773
And like half of it is nonviolent drug crime convictions.

>>2938764
It's true. I've never heard about anyone on /sci/ succeeding with a degree from a run of the mill state school.

Especially not last night.

>>2938764
>Success is entirely determined by which school you went to.
also your race, appearance, what kind of friends you have, and how much your parents make

>>2938759

The funny thing is, my parents are wealthy and are sending me to a top 10 school.

I'm just not an arrogant twat that can't see past my own ego (like you.)

>>2938773
The United States doesn't just imprison more people than any other country. They imprison more people than any other society in all of recorded human history.

>>2938782
>appearance
The vast majority of people who are arrested for some sort of sex crime or end up on the sex offender registry have a certain look to them. Look at that Louis Theroux documentary on pedophiles. It's all a certain type of slovenly middle-aged white man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFLiuaEtvdo

>>2938764

I went to a public school filled with fucking nigger monkeys, graduated in the top of my class, and got accepted to a good state school.

If the niggers would have worked hard like I did, they could have done the same. Same classes, same everything. Riddle me that, cunt.

>>2938757
>>2938762
>>2938769

So we're playing this game on a Saturday night, huh?

>>2938819
It's the same story every week.

I hear there is good money and career opportunities with a Chem E. major.

Any Chem E. majors have any thoughts to share? At the moment it seems the most appealing to me. What kind of strengths just one need to excel as a Chem E. major? Is it more chemistry (and the math that goes with that) or engineering?

Any and all thoughts would be useful.

>>2938829
It doesn't matter. You just need to join the right fraternity.

>>2938782
>also your race, appearance, and how much your parents make

Actually yes. If you're a minority and do great in high school, if you enroll at a college you'll always be picked over Caucasians. Especially at prestigious school thanks to affirmative action.

Parents can't pay for tuition? The government and even the school itself will do anything it can to pay for that shit just to keep their ethnic quota.

>>2938838

THIS!!!!!!!

Read it and weep, angry niggers.

>>2938829
Get your Chem Engg degree and move to Alberta. Starting wages are at about $70-80k if you're willing to rape the planet. That is to say, work at a major Canadian oil company.

>>2938800
FUCK YOU, NO ONE ON /sci/ GOES TO A TOP 10 SCHOOL!

THAT'S A LIE!

A LIE!

>>2936383
I got an undergrad in something extremely interesting and useful to me but not practical in 'real life' but I didn't get student loans to do it. I worked pretty much the whole time I went to college and paid for it out of pocket by saving up.

Now, I won't do that for my Grad school because that degree will be useful and should get me a good job that pays well so I don't mind going into debt for it as I should be able to pay the school loans off.

>>2938838
>>2938850
racist samefag

I am a minority that goes to a UC dominated by asians. Affirmative action simply does not work that way. It's like you live in a world where the sky is in fact green and not blue. Stop reading stormfront.

>>2938868
Ever since Hopkins stopped asking for race on their applications, the school is like 80% Asian.

>>2938860
I graduated from University of Michigan (Ann Arbor).

>>2938722

Do you work on Adventure time?

>>2938737
McGill is about 3200$/year if you're a Quebec resident, that is one of the best university-quality/$ deal you can get in the world!

>>2938877
UCI (where I go) is the most asian at around 50%, and around 23% white. I'll be honest and say that's why I wanted to go. Not because I like asians, but because I didn't wanted to be surrounded by the kind of white people that look and behave like this
http://www.theonion.com/video/thousands-of-girls-match-description-of-missing-so,18302/

but seriously, kill whitey.

>Go to local University in Canada for ~$5500 a year (tuition + book + any other incidental fees) nearly all of it ($5200) covered by grants and scholarships
>Live with parents so save a shit load of money
>Get accepted to Pharmacy school after first year of science undergrad
>Move to new school now fees are ~$10 000 a year
>new school is so Jew with scholarships so now my grants + scholarships = $3500
>but it offers 4 month summer co-op that pays $6000 a summer
>Have awesome 4 years living in single room dorms (fuck roomates)
>Incur ~ $ 2500 of "debt" after becoming licensed Canadian pharmacist, parents gladly pay that off immediately (even though I had enough in savings to pay off for myself)
>lowest starting Salary is $40 000 and I'm 22 at this point
>drive a beamer and have a nice apartment at 23
>mfw

Laugh at so many people from highschool that though "college just puts you in debt after years of studying and doesn't guarantee a career" and they work at $13/hr jobs.

They were probably thinking of American colleges and liberal arts degrees.

>>2938880
Michigan isn't top 10.

>>2938899
beemer*

>>2938868

Protip: Asians are minorities. Your anecdote is only an exception to the rule.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/11/10/too-asian/
Stupid white people.

>>2938737
lol yeah sweet isn't it

this: >>2938898 was me
went to University of Ottawa high-mid tier science program and jumped to University of Toronto god-tier Canadian university after 1 year of an awesome GPA and raping the joke PCAT

>>2938899


oh god I cannot even fathom the life of a pharmacist.


I am a chemist and good lord I would kill myself.

>>2938930
>Be black
>Go to school with majority Asians
>Asian people more racist than white people
I can't win.

The thing I hate the most about Student Loans is that it's nearly fucking impossible to dischage them in bankruptcy. Some conservatives/republicans might say "YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO BORROW PEOPLE'S MONEY AND NOT PAY IT BACK." Well what about people who get a serious illness, get into a car accident, and can't work due to those circumstances? Nobody has the foresight to see that random shit happening to them. You might as well make mortgages and credit card debt not dischargable either.

This is one of the reasons why I'm glad I fucked up in high school and went to community college instead. Not only did I save a shit ton of money my first three years of college, I managed to transfer into a top university (UCLA). Received a nice aid package due to my good grades at CC and will only be graduating with 6k of debt. My other friends who went to UC's or private schools straight out of high school are fucked over with 60k+ of debt and a majority of them graduated with shitty social science/humanities degrees.

>>2938980

Elaborate on 'aids package'. And no I don't mean a package of AIDS.

>>2938952
I experienced less hostile racism in Japan outside of Tokyo than I do in southern california.

>>2936531
New Zealand can't export apples to Australia. The industry is fucked.

This thread is balls. All you faggots need to know, is that success comes from who you know. Fucking networking and being a likeable person. Academic credentials and experience are important, but not a deal breaker, not the way being an autistic faggot is.

>>2939005

The UC's a lot of scholarships and grants for the most random stuff. For example, I was invited for and received a "regents" scholarship for transferring to UCLA as a physics major with a 4.0. I basically get a nice "discount" off tuition (around 4k) and receive priority registration/parking. This also qualified me for other grants and scholarships that covered around 10k total.

>>2936383
Wait people in the US actually take loans? How fucking stupid are they? If you aren't wealthy enough for your parents to pay and you plan on going to a half decent university you should start saving yourself through summer jobs or you should get the grades and test scores for a full scholarship.

Protip: Don't go to a University that is 40k a year if you aren't getting a full scholarship. Fucking idiots.

I got accepted into every school I applied because I wasn't a fucking dumbass including UCLA, USC, Berkeley, Irvine, Davis, Cal Poly, Stanford, Michigan, and Northwestern.

I wasn't an idiot and actually bartered with schools for my aid.

Cal Poly offered me a full scholarship, then Irvine, then Davis, then USC, then UCLA, etc. etc. and I played all my offers against other schools until finally Michigan and Northwestern offered me Fulls.

Stanford was the only school that wasn't going to cover my education so I said fuck them and went to Northwestern.

So many idiots ITT.

>>2938785
>You are an extremely ignorant individual. Go pick up your welfare check and buy some crack.

I'm pretty sure you're too stupid to get the irony of your statement.

>>2939163

So everyone on /sci/ is doomed to fail. Yeah...not how it works.

>>2939183

Thanks. How did you find out about these scholarships and grants if you don't mind me asking?

I don't have a 4.0 but it's pretty high and I'm sure I qualify for something transferring as a comp. engineer to a major comp. engineering school. I just wouldn't know where to look.

>>2939302
>look how smart and wealthy I am

>>2939302
>This entire post
Fantastic anecdote, sibling.

>>2939072
Dude, it's a well known fact that Asians are more racist than whites/blacks, japanese people might be the exception.
Also the weird thing is that Asians tend to be more racist against blacks than whites.

>>2939302
>mfw you think a summer job will cover college costs and think everyone has stellar performance in HS

>>2939334

The Japanese?! Are you fucking kidding? They're probably the worst out of the bunch. Go play FFXI for a few years. Good lord. 外人ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

>>2936383
An opposite but equally motivating story:

I got a 4-year technical degree and I made enough money in the first year after graduation to pay off ALL my student loans before the interest-free period ended.

>>2939337
A summer job in high school as well as in college can surely cover a majority of college expenses.

>>2939438
Not if the best job you can find is only $8/hr.

Also if you try to work over 15 hours a week while a full time college student, your grades will drop considerably.

>>2939438
$8 an hour full time for 3 months will get you grand total of $4000. For a "smart guy", you sho can't do simple maths.

>>2936749
Dude I went to UK. Financially I am a bit better off than you... sorry things aren't working out so well.

>>2939488

Haha you're chastising him for 'simple math' when you think you get the entire $3840 at 40 hours a week (you won't get a full time job like this during the summer) for 3 months without applying tax.

Kids...FFS

>>2939334
It's true. They're surprisingly civil considering the vast majority of white guys who go to Japan tend to be this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXeO1fXsbcQ

>>2939504
Read the tax laws dumbass. If you make less than $5000 a year you're entitled to tax exemption.

>>2939488
Engineering school: minimum of $7000/semester.
Apartment(no engineering school are close to where I live): minimum of $500/month

>>2939512
Not for SS and medicare. If you parents claim you as a dependent you won't get anything back from the feds.

>>2939512

You so dumb. And you apparently passed through college? See:

>>2939527

>>2939544
Yea let's count pennies when I rounded my figure to $4000 in the first place. Troll someone else.

>>2939626

Hey dummy: not only are you rounding that figure up to $4000 without accounting for tax, you're also assuming you are going to get a 40 hour work week for 3 months during each summer as a teenager.

You aren't going to be working the first two years of high school due to age. You might be able to turn that into 40 hour work weeks for TWO summers at $8000 of your estimation.

Haha I don't know any place that actually hires minors at the moment and if they do, they aren't giving them 40 hours. You're very delusional.

Barring that, do you think $8000 will cover college fees (before tax, assuming work hours = 40 for 3 months and you can get a job during the summer)?

Oh lordy.

>>2939626

I gross about $80 per week. I loose $14 a week to taxes. Losing %17.5 of my pay to taxes is not just pennies.

Yeah, my gf. Masters in film and media, £25,000 in debt.

>>wtfman.jpg

>>2939520

>>Cranfield University
>>MSc Aerospace
>>£9001 per year

>>2939736
You fucking dumbass I was saying how $4000 isn't nearly enough.

>>2936624
I'll do it for you.

>Bsc in Engineering
>Any cock I want
>7 inches starting

LOL nubs

>I went to college for an education
>spent 3-5 years learning degree
>someone must have lied to me about pay for graduates for 3-5 years
>now broke

stupid fags

If you're looking to feel better about yourself by surveying the misfortune of others, turn your gaze to the mentally ill. Schizophrenia is far more terrifying. I can attest to that much.

>>2940086

Love you too.

>>2936598
yeah the tests are similar but your in no way related the case other than if you for some reason you were called as an expert witness (which is highly unlikely)

IRL the chain for CSI is a group of unrelated people doing mundane tasks.

>>2939302
way to leave out hidden costs, student fees, dorming, and cost of living.

way to assume everyone went to an awesome high school and was born naturally gifted.

well

I think we can all agree the american university system, financially, is basically an absolute piece of shit compared to almost all other first world nations

>>2940144
Add to that health care and schools.

>>2938722
Wait you went to calarts (the disney factory) and you got hired by CN?
confused and jelly, im uartsfag here and i got myself lined up for an animation internship at id.
tell me is calarts just as obvious about it being a disney factory?

But our universities are considered top tier compared to the rest of the worlds.

Considering how shitty our system is, your system must be horrid. Which is nothing to celebrate over.

>>2940185
>>But our universities are considered top tier compared to the rest of the worlds.

>>Considering how shitty our system is, your system must be horrid. Which is nothing to celebrate over.

lolwut

>>2940209

It's simple.

<span class="math"> 0.01x10^{-67} < 0.01x10^{-66}[/spoiler]

One is greater than the other but they're still pretty close to zero.

>>2940113
>If you're looking to feel better about yourself by surveying the misfortune of others, turn your gaze to the mentally ill. Schizophrenia is far more terrifying. I can attest to that much.

This is the part where I resist the urge to worry that I might have schizophrenia.

>>2940250
I don't think I have schizophrenia, but I do think that I might be mentally retarded and people don't want to tell me since it's mean to tell retards of their crippling mental disability.

>>2940262
Oh god, do I ever know that feeling. That was my entire highschool experience. Only got rid of it with an IQ test. Not an internet IQ test, mind you, a real formal IQ test administered by a psychiatrist. I managed to get 117 - not that great, but it's higher than average, and certainly not in the retarded range.

>>2936708
Why didn't you go to MIT chris?

>>2940169

Calarts student here, its true that its a Disney/Pixar factory by and large, but a lot of movie/TV/video game companies go to the animation open house to scout out potential hires. Only the top animators are granted Pixar internships/recruited outright while the rest are head hunted. They accepted ~40 students my year and the last graduating class was only 12 because by junior year the students drop out to persue lucrative jobs offers.

>>2940250
Don't worry, it's fucking stupid to think you're crazy. If you were really crazy, you'd think the government was tracking you with an implant in your dick that they put there when they abducted you in their UFO or something like that, and it'd never even occur to you to think that you might be crazy. Silly.

>>2936554

And you are thus an asshole, which is why I will point out you don't even know basic grammar.

Meanwhile in Australia, the government pays for us to go to university. If we are studying something our country needs , like mathematics it only costs us $4k per semester. We only have to pay back our loans once we are in a full time job earning more then 52k a year.

Problem shitty American education system ?

In Denmark you are paid to take a higher education.
We receive student-support from the government (around $1k a month) to pay for our living expenses.
We pay nothing to attend university or any other form of education.
Almost everyone ends up with more money after taking their bachelors and candidate (6 year) than when they started.

The American system sounds horrifying

I study math here in America. I receive something like 10,000 a year in grants to do it, all federal. Therefore I know that anybody else in America studying math could get the same thing if they also had a 3.0 or higher GPA (as I do). The problem in america isn't that it's impossible and that support isn't there; I get enough support to make it. The problem isn't that America doesn't support education at the moment. If you study something reasonable and get good grades, the financial situation is, if maybe not quite as good as, at least comparable to European institutions.

The problems that do exist are, first, that the American college experience lasts a year longer than the European one (generally). That's 33 percent more cash right there. Second, the idea that "everybody" needs to go to college has created huge swarms of kids who go, get terrible grades, etc etc, and in the meantime they're NOT living like the starving college student stereotype, they're living pretty well. This drowns American students in debt.

>>2940538
A bit fanciful there, champ. HECS debt follows you around. The govt doesn't pay for us to go to uni like they do in northern Europe. They loan us money that has to be repaid, which makes universities favour international students who only have the option of paying in full up front, which reduces the places available for local students.

But it's a slight better than the US I guess.

>>2940454

did he hit close to home?

>>2940262
you're not retarded. retards don't have that kind of self awareness.

BUT, you may be ignorant or unskilled and it never hurts to do a bit of self analysis and skill building.


if you really want to know if you might be retarded, or just want to waste 30 minutes laughing at stupid shit, go on youtube and search for "opie and anthony bobo vs ira." it's a highly educational video;

bobo is an autistic, ira is a retard.

ironically, the retard comes off as a much more successful and tolerable human being.

Saving this thread

What can be done with a Hon B.Sc. in Biology, good grades, and a M.Sc. in Environmental Science / Animal Physiology, with two published articles

I'm not in financial ruin, thankfully, but now I'm just moving world, working labour, tutoring, odd-jobbing.. anything, usually for about 20/h. It's decent, but it's not a career. I'm just spinning my wheels. The six years spent in University were a complete waste as of now.

I want to get onto something fruitful while I'm still young. What to do with those pieces of paper?

>>2938898
>>2938898
you've got to be shitting me. those girls actually thought they were the missing girl?

>>2942085
0/10

Oldest joke in the book.

>Go to a french national engineering school
>Be paid for studying