/sci/ - Science & Math

Admit it, you're going to die before people fix aging.

admit it, you're a kike who's afraid to die

>>1748602
FULL IMMERSION VIRTUAL REALITY WILL EXIST BY 2010 HURRRRRRRRRRR

>>1748630
I don't really think he's afraid, he thinks he's dad is still alive because he remembers him. And Kurzweil is more famous than his dad.

>>1748643
his dad of course

I'm a fan of Ray Kurzweil, Robert Hanson and Elizier Yudkowsky.

I think their current goals at the moment are to create a friendly A.I. and find viable life extension measures rather than the cessation of death and disease entirely.

Dr. Aubrey de Grey seems to be the only noted transhumanist celebrity attacking the latter issue full-tilt.

>>1748648
I also think he's right about most things. He comes across a shitton of critics but responds to them openly. And apparently he has an army of researchers working to find these trends.

see: http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/01/ray-kurzweil-responds-to-issue-of.html

>>1748665

My major issues with the "Talking Heads of Transhumanism" is that they generally fail to elaborate on the immediate, mid-term and longterm social, economic and political issues that have and may arise as a result of their research.

Almost universally, their response to issues seems to be to eventually plug problems into an advanced A.I. to receive solutions for them.

The Future-pundits seem to succumb to the Geekiest of failings --- Awesome technical ability, terrible social intelligence and awareness.

The Future may need a dedicated Public Relations and Marketing Team, or it may find itself impotent to emerge from the present.

5^90 7^3 i can't

I just read about that faggot he's such a fucking sellout lol

>>1748727
you're so fucking edgy brah

>>1748743
Having an understanding of AI that is above average is enough for anyone to figure out that this person is just spewting appealing keywords. Just look at this figure I found (accordingly to wiki, it's from his "magnum opus" literature work). Can anyone explain wth is it meaningfully measuring?

Somebody hand this person a NOBEL! Of stupidity!

>>1748768
It's a plot of past computer speeds on a graph comparing the speed requierd for estimations of full brain simulation of various organisms.

>>1748768

lrn2logarithmics

>>1748773
Wait, real-time simulation of the brain? Or would they have to slow it down a bunch?

>>1748773
Who counteth the sum of computational power so many times through a century? What does it mean for a brain to be fully simulated by a computer?
>>1748775
What's 'logarithmics'? I know of logarithms.

Just admit it, he's a fucking clown

>>1748783
Another dumb question. Assuming it were possible to simulate the brain at all (DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE), it'd only be a matter of more computational power (thus a matter of resources) for the simulation to be sped up.

Why are there so many clueless fans of this farse? Hint: because he's a clown.

exponential graphs

they level out

one of the possible timelines:

>>1748803
So it's impossible to simulate a physical system? That's what you're suggesting? I think physics would like a word with you.

>>1748825
And what word would that be?

>>1748832
Oh now that shit got technical you all scare away? What the fuck anons, you haven't got a fucking clue on physics, do you? Well NEITHER DOES THAT GUY.

>>1748768
That you're a dumb fucking homeschooled christian who is entirely detached from reality.

>>1748832
Any quantum system may be simulated EXACTLY by a quantum computer possessing enough qubits.

>>1748872
Straight from wikipedia, so that dummies like you get it:
> Quantum computers don't allow the computations of functions that are not theoretically computable by classical computers, i.e. they do not alter the Church–Turing thesis. The gain is only in efficiency.

learn what Turing completeness means. Then come back and suck my big fat cone (or you can keep sucking kurzweil's)

>>1748917
Your penis is cone-shaped?

>>1748698
>they generally fail to elaborate on the immediate, mid-term and longterm social, economic and political issues that have and may arise as a result of their research.

Duuuude....are you me?

Been saying this shit for years, and I'm always met by the same blank stare and inability to grasp the fact that technological innovation isn't some end-all magical solution to everything.

His shirt is stained.

>>1748940

This has been an issue near and dear to many trends watchers and forward thinking policy makers in the last 25 years or so.

The "Elephant in the Room" that all parties are aware of but are not talking about is that Transhumanist and Singularist research will only survive monetary and resource constrictions if it is given government or corporate sponsorship.

Going down this route will more than likely lead to a force and coercion heavy "Technology Race" with many, many unintended consequences...

>>1748991
Nothing to look foreward to, but it sure as hell seems to be the inevitable future we can come to expect.

Unless, the unlikely happens and the social relations between the scientific community and the rest of the world at large becomes a far more intimate one and the average citizen becomes (at the very least) scientifically literate and schooled something fiercely in the potential and very real technological possibilities that could come to be.

Being 20, I recognize that there is going to be rapid technological advances in my lifetime, and I am fucking excited. We will probably be able to enhance the pleasure in some way that could give us something similar to heroin except without the negative effects. FUCK YEAH SCIENCE HEROIN

>they generally fail to elaborate on the immediate, mid-term and longterm social, economic and political issues that have and may arise as a result of their research.

SUCH AS? give example or stop pulling arbitrary undefined obstacles out of your smelly unwiped ass.

>>1749074
Woooo~!

Widespread Hedonism!

Woooo~!

>>1749074

except that the negative effects of heroin use are almost completely related to it being illegal. if it were cheap, clean, readily available in repeatable purity it would be quite safe.

there are even heroin clinics opening up in various countries for this very reason.

>>1749104
What about dependence? I assume there's a reason people start needing ten shots a day just to function.

>>1749087
Sciencefags: "Woo~! Widespread gene-manipulation! No-one needs to be a sickly faggot now! Woo~!"

Richfags: "Hey, this could be used for <insert stupid shit here>, right?"

Sciencefags: "Well, yeah, bu-"

Richfags: "Woo~! Genetically superior upper-class! Woo~!"

Poorfags: (just as filthy and stupid as ever) >:(

>>1749074
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it's a small world. watch what u do

>>1749125
Until you've actually filled in that blank, you're back to the post you quoted.

>>1749087

Are you fucking serious?

A significant amount of the western science-fiction canon has been devoted to the narrative exploration of this theme.

Hell, even Jules Verne in 1895 was worried about disparities and abuses arrising due to selective positive application of scientific principles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Machine

Read the following Wikipedia article on "unintended consequences":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintended_consequences

This is the guy that thinks the brain is reducible to silicon isn't it.

The things that atheists think... Oh lawd...

>Having enough transistors in the same room = AI >:3

Some explain this to me. Not that I have read his books, just stuff I heard.

>>1749125
And your solution to that is what? Pretending gene theraphy won't work? Bomb all biotech labs? Claim transhumanists are wrong because you can't afford gene-therapy?

Oh and btw, you seem to belive transhumanists are doing all the high tech research: you're wrong, it's normal people doing their daily living in various high-tech professions.

Also: too expensive patented gene-tech turning people superhuman would lead to genetech piracy. DNA construction and DYI gene therapy is not really that expensive or hard to do. Perhaps hard to do perfectly safely.

Anyway, nice strawman "Ray kurzweil doesn't give a solution to high tech injustices/problems that can arise so therefor all transhumanists are wrong"

>>1749087

Examples:

Malignant A.I.

Grey Goo Phenomenon

An Accelerated Arms Race Leading to Uncontrollable Political Conflicts Involving Doomsday Weapons

Genetically Engineered Super Viruses

Malignant Nanotechnology

Genetically or Technologically Enhanced Humans Potentially Becoming Hostile to their "Lessers"

And ultimately, over 100,000 years of human advancement being fueled by and leading to conflict.

>>1749174
>The things that atheists think... Oh lawd...
The things christians will think when hunter-killer AI robots descend upon their post-apocalyptic hideouts... Oh lawd...

>>1749186
He didn't say they were wrong in the sense that their technological predictions wouldn't come to fruition, only that it would lead to a dystopia.

>>1749186
>And your solution to that is what? Pretending gene theraphy won't work?

Of course not. The point to that none-too-serious scenario is that although the innovation and continued scientific growth is welcome and very much needed, the lack of a serious socio-cultural "buffer" to hinder any potential abuse of the tech will have incomparable repercussions on the nature of the basic disparity between the various classes in our world.

In todays world, the poor die early, eat laughably bad food, and are manipulated to ridiculous degrees on a daily basis. In a world were some hypothetical new finding can instantly propell the capitalist "over-men" of the modern day beyond human, what do you think will remain of the poor and more vulnerable members of humanity?

Do you honestly believe that, in the current social climate of today, that the technology to, say, render an individual "immune" to old age, would come to benefit the average citizen of the world?

>>1749125

Poorfags: (just as filthy and stupid as ever) >:(

Ignoring that technologies get cheaper, when gene therapy becomes a reality then you could go to a bank, ask for a loan for gene therapy, then with you're new found intelligence you could generate enough wealth to pay for the loan.

>>1749298
How would your ideas be groundbreaking when everyone is smart?

>>1749298

You're forgetting that if intelligence and life extension therapies become so cheap as to be afforded by everyone, you'll be competing with EVERYONE to exploit your newfound longevity and IQ, thus scaling the disparities between various peoples along class and wealth, anyway.

>Do you honestly believe that, in the current social climate of today, that the technology to, say, render an individual "immune" to old age, would come to benefit the average citizen of the world?

Do you honestly belive that high tech portable communication devices would come to benefit the average citizen of the world? No? Well, guess what mobile phones are doing right fucking now?

>>1749308

It doesn't have to be. You're labor would be worth more. Are surgeon's ideas groundbreaking? No, they are just really smart mechanics.

>>1749298
Why are you so sure that the technology would even become free for all to enjoy to begin with?

What's to say that certain laws to "maintain a certain number of vital individuals" wouldn't spring forth, that limit the number of people who are allowed to undergo the procedure, or somesuch nonsense.

Either way, this reality could look foreward to undying Rupert Murdoch's, eternally youthful celebrities, and one hell of a funky workplace dynamic ("Oh boy, only 50 more years for that raise!").

>>1749319
>Well, guess what mobile phones are doing right fucking now?

Being used primarily as expensive toys that get thrown out for even more expensive models every other mother, and allow individuals already prone to stress go up a few levels?

>>1749314

Competition equals disparity? Even when anyone will have access to the same intelligence enhancing techniques? This technology would make everyone more equal?

Even if there was disparity, are you making the argument that because some people are rich other people's lives suck ass?

>>1749314
Well: when everyone can build their own solar desalination plant and hydrophonics vegetable garden, you may not have to be exceedingly competitive to survive and thrive.

When everyone is a polymath with 100 years of knowledge you'll suddenly realize that any village can build a chip fab or start their own space program.

>>1749348
>every other month*

Oh wow, fix'd.

http://www.klick-game.gauss.livando.com/joke-21.html
nj

>>1749350

That... Sounds perfect.

inb4 unconsidered problems.

>>1749348
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_mobile_phones_in_use

I'm sure 60% of the world owns an iphone or equivalent latest model smartphone.

>>1749323
Again, in a society filled with geniuses, why would someone hire me specifically?

>>1749349
>are you making the argument that because some people are rich other people's lives suck ass?

>Again, in a society filled with geniuses, why would someone hire me specifically?
I think you mean: why would anyone need to work when we've built robots that do all the chores? Need food, text instafood delivery service: robot-made-pizza, delivered by a robot, made from robot farmed products.

Your day wouldn't consist of going to Work, your day would consist of going to Fun. You'd be writing books, taking photos or building concrete dicks or whatever you find stimulating.

>>1749349

>>1749350

O.k., these are fallacies that many Transhumanists seem terribly prey to.

I call it: "IF WE CAN JUST REACH THAT POINT, THEN... ~o/~ Every lil' thing's - gonna be alright! ~o/~"

I'm simply stating that it has NEVER worked that way in the precedent of human history and that it probably won't in the future.

Singularity and Transhumanism will require extensive oversight and peer consensus to be used responsibly.

We can't assume that these two "events" will be used responsibly and positively simply because ECONOMIC FACTORS may allow the majority access to them.

>>1749359

Geniuses handles all labor by themselves!!! Amirigte?

>>1749361

wow man. seriously? sigh...


ok, lets start from the ground up. what are you trying to say with that picture?

>>1749359
Sweden is currently having issues along this line.

People are being randomly selected for the chance to enter certain lines of education ("doctors", psychologists), because there are just too many people with the highest possible grades. Furthermore, there are more than a few people with 3-5 years of (work-related, not purely academic) education working in convenience stores and suchlike.

http://www.klick-game.gauss.livando.com/joke-21.html
jio

>>1749373
>lolethanol.jpg

What do you think he means?

>>1749372
Okay, you're right and we'll all die from airborne-nuclear-goo-plague.

Good riddance.

>>1749384

>> Implying that concession through mockery is a valid counter-argument.

>>1749373
So the bank is gonna finance me being a laborer? Why would they do that? Sounds risky.

>>1749389

You won't necessarily be a "laborer". Even a doctor work is labor.

Loans to a genius risky? No.

Scientists keep compulsively stripping the world of its delicious secrets, and remain far too socially retarded to even consider what happens when normalfags find out about this new shit.

So what else is new?

>Singularity and Transhumanism will require extensive oversight and peer consensus to be used responsibly.

>Singularity
Is just runaway positive feedback of improvements improving themself. We will be severely transhumanised by the time this happens.
>Transhumanism
Is just taking our current technology use a further step, it's not a grand paradigm shift, it's just a business as usual paradigm shift, due to heavily matured technologies(IT & Biotech)

>>1749392

A troll who is not worth engaging in dialogue with.

>>1749392
You're still dancing around the fact that there are too many people for a society like the one you have in mind. We can't all be doctors, there would be no demand. And I wouldn't be a genius if everyone else were geniuses too, I would be a regular person, with a lot of debt.

>>1749398

You're right, of course; I am simply stating that both "Transhumanism" and "Singularity" are technological advances that affect the entirety of humanity and that such advances rarely manifest and proceed without issues,.

>>1749402

Yes, because if everyone was equally smart no one would be able to afford anything...

I am done talking to you.

>>1749402
And then there's the thought that there's no guarantee whatsoever that such an outright miraculous procedure would be treated just like any transaction, rather than being held under a completely different set of laws and criteria for who can make use of it.

Meh, this whole thread has descended into "Peopl are dicks no matter what" vs "People would be nicer if they were smarter!" polarization.

>>1749402
>>1749374

I don't feel like looking it up to cite, but the welfare and unemployment debates from whenever that shit was pose solid arguments, or at least questions for this. Eventually, and especially in a technologically advanced era, there flat out wont be enough work to go around.

We, as a people, need to deal with the fact that some people just aren't going to have to work. It's unecessary. Eventually we start manufacturing industry just to assauge some guy's ego, so the top tier doesn't feel like it's just working for the bottom rung that "wont do for themselves". When in reality, the bottom rung has been working for the top tier since inception of society basically. It's going to be a large paradigm shift, and we can either deal with it, or fail as a society because we can't get past the entitlement of "what's rightfully ours".

>>1749411
Your response to my concerns that non-wealthy people would be left behind was "go to the bank, lend (a lot of) money for a complete mental and physical overhaul, ????, profit". The ???? was vaguely explained as "generating wealth". How, I asked, would I be more able to generate tons of wealth if everyone were twice as smart, than I am now? "Become a doctor lol" was your response. 6 billion doctors won't generate a lot of wealth.

>>1749417

I'm simply stating that faith [and that is what many Futurists are engaging in --- not logic, but "faith"] in some distant future state does not mean the very real logistical and social, economic and political factors along the path to that theoretical future state are immune to the Law of Unintended Consequences.

>>1749402
>We can't all be doctors, there would be no demand.
Here's what will happen: THERE WILL BE NO DEMAND FOR LABOUR: Why let a slow, imprecise fucking human do it when a robot can do it faster, better and 23/7(1h maintenance/day).

Go to a modern car production line, not much demand for welders or assembly teams there. Go to a bottling plant: No demand for people pouring liquids into bottles.

Read up on AI diagnosis software, you feed it test results and perhaps some other parameters, and it tell you that you have diabetes, or cancer, or something else. without needing any input from a doctor.

It's happening everywhere. Eventually we'll reach a point where so few people work and earn money that we can no longer maintain a monetary system by the same principles as we do today: You'll not have to work, slaving to earn money is not a physical law, it's a necessity of life that almost everyone hates.

>>1749457
I hope the technology will be made available for everyone to take the leap, free of charge, but I'm not sure I believe it.

>>1749473
When it happens it will happen on a large scale. The start will be fucking terrible though as everything will grind to a halt due to lack of liquidity and demand but a massive surplus of production capacity.

Transhumanism/Singularity Q&A:

Q: The Government/Society will not tolerate advanced AI.

A: If any technology had the potential to be profoundly disruptive to social order, it's the internet. The information is so decentralised that it's impractical to police absolutely. Society will not resist AI, because it will be a slow development, and people will not suddenly sense a barrier that is "one step too far". For instance, we are perfectly happy about planes going on auto-pilot. Soon we will trust our cars to do this (Google: "Driverless" and "General Motors" or "Volkswagen"). Everybody entrusts their lives to AI already, this is set to increase without any resistance because the convenience and safety it will afford us will be too good to resist.

Q: What if it creates a polarised society?
A: Society is already polarised. There are people who can afford better medicine, better doctors, better food, better houses. All of these impact our survival. This technology will not make this problem any worse. In fact, out of all technological developments it has the greatest chance of resolving these problems through replacing the profoundly unfair system of natural selection with genetic engineering.

Transhumanism/Singularity Q&A continued:

Q: I don't want to live forever/We're supposed to die/What about overpopulation?

A: If you think death is perfectly natural, acceptable and inevitable, then why would you accept treatment if you suffered illness? Medical treatment is a form of life extension technology and you willingly began to accept it the moment you were born. Overpopulation can easily be attenuated through birth control programs. Genetic engineering will make traditional human reproduction obsolete in any case, and the cognitive dissonance suffered by those wishing to have children will be resolved through neurological treatments that remove destructive biological urges and inefficiencies. Did that sound like bullshit? Pornography is an unsophisticated method of deploying this in males and let's face it, it's working very well. If people can satiate their desires with a pill, they will.

>>1749587
>cognitive dissonance suffered by those wishing to have children will be resolved through neurological treatments that remove destructive biological urges and inefficiencies
>neurological treatments that remove destructive biological urges and inefficiencies

what could go wrong.tiff

>>1749596
>what could go wrong.tiff

Anything could go wrong with any technological development and we cannot progress as a society if we are to obsess over the nuanced and unforseeable paths of causality that stem from any action we make.

We already manipulate our minds against depression with medication. What if that depression is caused by an unfulfilled desire to have children? Then this process as already begun.pdf

>>1749587
>. Genetic engineering will make traditional human reproduction obsolete in any case, and the cognitive dissonance suffered by those wishing to have children will be resolved through neurological treatments that remove destructive biological urges and inefficiencies.

Combine Overlords.

>>1749587
Sounds a lot like fascism.

>>1749491
>>1749473

Q: What about when humans become obsolete for the workplace? They will not be needed anymore and will starve!

A: Are you currently living in a Welfare State? The reason for an increase in the amount of unemployment is simply because production has reached a level of efficiency whereby we can sustain the population from a limited base of workers. We can support the elderly, the sick and the just plain dumb already. Eventually, more and more people will fall into the dumb category.

In many Western countries, starvation has effectively been solved. Being poor now has nothing to do with survival but has instead been replaced with the idea of "quality of life". Our lives are not about staying alive, they are about achieving aspirations, even at the bottom rung of society.

That was the biggest hurdle. The rest will be a slow and smooth transition towards a complete Welfare State.

I think we will see spectacular technological change within our lifetimes, and by our I mean those of us who were born in the 80's and 90's especially, where I disagree with Kurzweil is some of his more outlandish predictions contained within his book.

For instance, replacing your lungs, and heart and virtually all your major organs with a nanorobotic system that can perform all of the functions of these organs. This is too much for me. Maybe I'm closed minded but I can't see this happening within this century.

Same with Mind Uploading. I doubt it will happen in the 21st century.

>>1749652

Perhaps true, but bare in mind that the artifical growth of organs is today's technology. I predict that given the insane investment returns potential in this technology, that we will see mainstream organ replacement within two decades.

It is simply a case of scaling the production.

http://onthewards.com/2010/01/ted-talk-creating-artificial-organs/

Transhumanism/Singularity

So, likely first adopters will have to pay a hefty premium for anything transhuman. So there will be a time when there exists a superhuman elite who doesn't need the ordinary humans for anything.

Before, there was always the selfish need to keep the underclass around. What happens when you got super intelligent elites with no such selfish needs. What if the underclass is to them what apes are to us?

>>1749725
>what apes are to us

Apes to us are protected and cherished by the developed world.

There is nothing to say that the transhumanist technologies will not be socialised to some degree.

i'm constantly amused by people who are willing to consider the possibility of hyperadvanced technologies but who insist there will be no effect on social realities.

tell me, the working class, have they the same:

life expectany, educational levels, quality of life, average income, political freedom (or not), freedom of movement, leasure time and opportunities

...as they did in the 17th century? Well?

What people are failing to take into account is the very real possibility (yes, only a possibility) that a funcioning uberawesome AI might well be able to solve the energy shortage (that isn't some global warming shit, that's a move to a total energy surplus for the entire planet)... with a total energy surplus, the gathering and refinement of resources becomes non-profit driven because everyone and anyone can do it, food production ceases to be an issue (because you can build, plant and water as many tower farms as needs be, anywhere - don't forget the energy surplus would enable desalination of seawater)...

what I mean is that the head-in-the-sands INSIST that no ocial changes will result. That's not to say social change will definitely happen, but it won't definitely not.

Come on you /sci/ dreamers, don't let the bastards reinforce the status quo out of sheer lack of imagination! The status quo is FUCKED (or at least, it should be any way because it's inherently exploitative of the majority of the population...)

>>1749859
I imagine that when the status quo gets fucked, as you say, then everyone with the robot bodies and ability to do so will fuck off to Mars or something while Earth goes apocalypse on itself.

thread needs moer:

>>1750327

>>1750327
fixed

>>1750327

Such a righteous beard. I only hope one day I can be so awesome.

>>1750337
I sense potential

>>1748630
KNOCK KNOCK

>>1750352

I am curious about helping the transhumanist movement, but I have no idea what I need to study in order to do so. Any idea?

>>1750394

Cheerleading is good enough.

Alternatively a career in nanotech, genetic engineering, you know, stuff like the emerging technologies or anything with "bio" in the name.

>>1750394
tell people about it (normalfags get pretty excited about this stuff too)

study something that will be relevant to the future (any science degree really)

donate to SENS/methuselah foundation/manhattan beach project and many other organizations looking to promote this idea. They can do a lot with just a small amount of money just through publicity

>>1750426

>tell people about it (normalfags get pretty excited about this stuff too)

Yeah, this. You would be surprised.

>>1750394
Start with physics. This should give you a firm grounding in hard science, experimentation and how to think, and is useful for everything.
Then move into bio and chem. This will help you understand your own body, and will get you started thinking on what needs to change.
I should be taking more compsci classes, since everything is computers, but whatever. I don't like programming. I don't have the patience for it.
Instead of bullshit art or English classes, take psychology and HARDCORE PHILOSOPHY, with emphasis in logic and bioethics. The logic and psychology will help you think CORRECTLY. We fool ourselves all the time, and being aware of this is the first step towards fixing the problem - something that can't be done in the foreseeable future with machines or medicine.
You might also consider more medical classes, or political science classes, especially near the end of your college years. One will help you actually work on some of the more biological related problems, the other may come in handy in moving the whole project forwards.
My goal is to become a mentat, thus all the psych and logic. If you know what subject you want to go in, just LEARN IT. If you don't, then start off with physics, and keep going 'till you find something you like.

Bumped for interesting thread on /sci/.

>>1750466
>think CORRECTLY
I lol'd there is no such thing.

>>1750773
right, because 2+2=5 is just another equally valid opinion.

>>1750804
For very large values of 2, yes.

>>1750773
Your proposition is without proof or grounds. It is without self-evidence, so state your case. Aristotelian logic will be tolerated, bonus points if you can construct a proof using a paraconsistent logic.

There are rules to reality; therefore, there are rules to thought.

sure is idealistic in here

meanwhile i'm preparing myself for some kind of chaotic apocalyptic scenario because of technology abuse. We're too dependent on technology and when that runs out, the food runs out, and anarchy reigns. Start stocking up on canned foods, bug-out bags, and shotgun shells...

>>1753037
>We're too dependent on technology and when that runs out,
>technology runs out

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