/sci/ - Science & Math

this is a frog thread now

>>16132352
You forgot the name field Barkun

>>16132354
Did I?

>>16132352
Why does sci have the most frogs

NOpe! We're not gonna post pictures of the new suit! trust us, polaris dawn is launching MEGA soon folks! No pics of the suit tho, HAHA

Oh great another one of these threads. Everyone, start criticizing Artemis.

>america is the only country in the western hemisphere that tries when it comes to spaceflight
30 countries and only one tries despite it's proven value for power projection and boosting the economy

>>16132361
China has a space station at least

>>16132361
>>america is the only country in the western hemisphere
Yes. Everyone else are subhuman retards.

>>16132361
Europeans are members of fundamentally broken societies. The only thing saving them is a war, in which they must lose

I'm going to kill myself

>>16132370
Good. See you in hell.

>>16132370
what about mars?

>>16132370
I don't give a shit. I'm just a rubbin and a TUGGIN my FUCKIN NIPS!

>>16132370
bye loser

>>16132375
It's called NeurIPS now chudbigot

SPEHS

>>16132384
>fluorine 2nd and 3rd stage
what the fuck

Really? this is what relativity is going with? Really?

>tfw we will never have relatively safe, easy and cheap access into space

>>16132388
looks like LED light decorations you see in the background of titty streamers on twitch

>>16132388
It's weird cause you can have a nice circular arrangement of 13 engines see Super Heavy

>>16132390
we are relatively close to space

>>16132388
Yeah wtf, why isn't it a hex grid

>>16132394
Picrel inner 13 is superior layout
>>16132396
>hex grid
equally as retarded
the tank is circular so you want a circular engine footprint

>>16132388
Falcon9 v1.0 Plus

>>16132401
the terran R diameter is too fucking small

>>16132403
what fastener would you use to keep that panel on he's screwing in? it must be resistant to extreme vibration and temperature changes

>>16132387
fluorine is good for you, that's why they put it in your toothpaste

>>16132427
Fluorine/LOX toothpaste would certainly solve the problem of you having teeth.

>>16132388
it's a tribute to america!

>Raptor 2 SL engines 230tf
>Raptor 3 SL engines 280tf thrust
>Booster engines aiming to reach +330tf thrust
Holy moly rip BE4

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1780398103738392956

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/04/russian-space-chief-says-new-rocket-will-put-falcon-9-reuse-to-shame/

>>16132436
based, where's the /k/ommandos when you need em (for zigger hatred)

>>16132434
There is a reason SpaceX doesnt share specific impulse of raptor. It's because it's not that good. Before you point to a figure, thats a musk claim not a real figure. Starship v1 was designed to do 100t to leo and only does 40 which should tell you something.

>>16132436
awfully big catch

>>16132444
It tells me that I like eating diarrhea and shitting all over the walls

>>16132387
>he doesn't know
Anon, if you are brave, there are oxidizers that far surpass liquid oxygen...

>>16132370
why?

>>16132442
at the range

>>16132436
Russia strong. ZVO

https://youtu.be/3LToevABm4k
You watched this yet?

How tf is starship v3 gonna have enough t/w

>>16132444
You're retarded. Specific impulse is determined by the cycle and expansion mostly. Film cooling will only take off a second or two.
There is no reason raptor would have particularly low isp

>>16132471
9 engines on the ship instead of 6

>>16132469
>NSF
no i don't watch soi boy youtube

>>16132469
it was pretty shit

>>16132473
it can have a perfectly respectable ISP and still be underperforming compared to the 380s elon wanted in vacuum

>>16132480
>muh ISP
go use hydrogen you dumb nigger

>>16132489
If you're comparing thrust to weight or thrust to area ratios the Raptor spanks the BE-4 like a disobedient avocado.

Can't help but notice the moon almost directly above right now 9-10pm EST. Kinda wonder about how its there now and how it could also have been not far off in place of the sky for last weeks eclipse to have occurred. About a 6 hour time difference and the moon is still in about the same spot?

Point being I'd heard something about some company putting satellites in space to test something that could block the sun.

>>16132480
I mean they've opened up the throat for V2 for more thrust which reduces isp.
Seems like they've thought about it and decided that gravity loss is a bigger concern than a bit of isp.
You know these are the really easy calculations to make and performance can be determined accurately on the test stand.
You're likely grasping at straws to rationalize the 40 ton on flight 3 comment.
It's likely excess mass, maybe fuel load, maybe trajectory inefficiencies

>>16132489
my buddy Jeff uses exactly that, for a sounding rocket of all thing.

>>16132496
take your meds

>>16132496
based noticer and conclusion drawer

>>16132358
because, unfortunately, science is based

>>16132370
>>16132457
>>16132374
he's probably european :-(

>>16132436
I, Johnny Rocket from Florida Oblast, think it would be more honorable for SpaceX to yield to mighty chess master Putin now, they have no hope now that everyone understands everything

>>16132387
>>16132448
We don't need LOX where we're going-
https://youtu.be/KX-0Xw6kkrc?si=t8hZ0gx8A6XSl8qA

Hey space fags. Been away for a few years, what do we think is the new mars timeline?

Back on /sfg/ after a couple weeks. What's new?

>>16132539
As with all things, the closer the technologies are to being available, the more uncertain the timeline is. There's an extensive chain of technologies that need to be developed and demonstrated before we can actually make a good answer to that question.

In no particular, but possibly this order:
>Starship guidance, navigation, and control
>Starship entry, descent, and landing
>Starship inter-spacecraft propellant transfers
>Starship V2 to get the payload capacity up to a respectable level
>Broad Starlink deployment to raise the cash needed to pay for everything that will follow

>>16132541
Elon gave a presentation on Starship so new visuals of V2 and V3 Starship (V2 only starting production right now), Airbus is making a space station now too, and Shartliner flight on the 6th (for real this time) AND Vast gave a full Tesla style drone tour of their offices and some more manufacturing from them (very cool). SERIOUSLY check out the Starship presentation though, lots of new info and Starship is as long as the Boosters for V3, this is a summary but still recommend watching full thing
https://x.com/labpadre/status/1778525585951928787
Oh and also picrel is a really fucking cool looking satellite

>>16132464
>/k/
>actually having guns
>actually shooting gun

Im trying to find interesting topics to discuss but its hard :( All the ones I had questions on before like how would an underice Europan colony stabilize itself from melting or hydroponics Ive either already had discussed or nobody wanted to discuss.

>>16132358
avatarspamming niggers, unfortunately
also many many stupid people

>>16132556
currently lying in a pile of my own filth cuddling my guns to make the ghosts leave me alone rn, AMA

>>16132544
Honestly doesn't sound bad

what would happen if they just strapped some falcon heavy boosters to starship
is it now reusable to GEO or lunar transfer?

>>16132550
that satellite bus looks really heavy

>>16132550
>high-resolution imagery
So can this thing replace those huge Keyhole recon satellites the US currently depends on?

oldspace magic reminder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemispherical_resonator_gyroscope

>>16132631
Anon, real life isn't KSP. You cam't just attach struts everywhere and expect the integrity to hold.

>>16132631
I need a space ship. I've only got 13 carrots.

>>16132678
freaky

>>16132390
stupid frogposter

I don't see the value in mars sample return as a science mission. Either bring samples back as part of sending people there or pick a different mission.

>>16132390
Then let me introduce you to the space shuttle

When is the next Starship launch projected?

>>16132704
>safe
>cheap

https://www.flickr.com/photos/spacex/
It's been exactly a year since they uploaded anything to Flickr. It's so over.

>>16132631
I can see some hypothetical future payload (without a doubt a nuclear reactor or a hab module for a mars mission with water shielding) that might require more thrust than even a Starship can do

But you have to understand that because it stages so early, the second stage spends a huge part of its fuel reserves just making it to orbit. It would be a colossal waste to just make the second stage bigger just so you could pull off a mission in one launch

>>16132698
NASA should just offer a $2 billion prize to anyone who can get the Mars samples back to Earth orbit or lunar orbit. No money will be paid up front. No offworld safety restrictions. Anything goes outside of low Earth orbit. Retrieve the samples and you win $2 billion in cash.

>>16132736
Imagine six SLS SRBs strapped to Super Heavy. Ship separates at 4km/s instead of 2km/s.

>>16132768
It doesn't guarantee it will ever happen though. Google's lunar X prize went unclaimed for a decade before it ended. Still hasn't been accomplished either way.

>>16132768
>No money will be paid up front.
oldspacebros... we need to stop this lunatic before it's too late

>>16132777
x prize was only a few million if I recall

>>16132777
>Google's lunar X prize went unclaimed for a decade before it ended
There's more venture capital floating around these days and the private space industry is larger and more capable than it was back then. If nothing else we'd be guaranteed to see some very entertaining failed attempts.

>>16132784
It was 20 million. For something orders of magnitude easier than MSR.

>>16132786
True, but the risk is also much greater. It's one thing to waste 10 million on a failed lunar rover, it's another to put 1 billion plus into a project that could return nothing.
The space industry has developed massively but look how much the private landers are struggling with step 1. Then consider how much more complex MSR is. There aren't many companies who could seriously consider it.

>>16132370
Can you just fucking chill instead of overreacting (Not going to ruin your life)

>>16132370
Kill some jews or niggers on your way out or you will go to hell.

>>16132852
>>>/pol/

>>16132556
It’s basically just glowies and the most pathetic Israel worshipping boomers alive that inhabit that board. Real sad state of affairs.

>>16132539
mars is a meme. A few trips to get the boots on the surface after which the shine wears off and it turns into a distant wasteland research/prospecting outpost until basic resource extraction begins for early space industrialization efforts. For latter moon is much more important then mars.

Cheap cost to LEO for tonnage is where the real money shot is. Send as many massive probes you want to all the major planets in the system to get as many pretty pictures as you want. Cassini will look like a alibaba DIY drone compared to whats coming

>>16132904

hey /sfg/ are you going to buy the new oldspace pork lego set?

>>16132914
>Saturn V is just the rocket
>SLS gets both the rocket and tower
messed up

>>16132914
I was wondering why it was so much more expensive than the Saturn V.
That launch tower is cool, but I'm not really interested in a rocket that's only launched once and hasn't even launch any humans yet.

>>16132915
Send SLS to Mars to retrieve the samples. Problem solved.

>>16132914
I have come to realization I am too old for legos
also I hate SLS too much

>>16132914

>>16132914
Hello fellow redditchad! Nice to see fellow kin here.
Narwhal narwhal bacon, amiright? Hahahaha

>>16132918
Because it is not designed to launch shit into space. It's designed to be a jobs program and extract money for old space companies.

Are any of you familiar with the company "Beyond Gravity"? They are a composite manufacturer for the space industry. I think it would be interesting to dig more into these spaceflight suppliers, but what do you all think? Do suppliers fit with /sfg/?

>>16132914
If you play with legos past 14 you should be tuned into a eunuch by the state

So ... why not just forget about Mars for about 10 years to allow various space technologies to mature? Why does NASA need these small tubes of Mars dirt so quickly? Can't this wait a bit? If they need a quick propaganda victory to beat China a simple sample grab could be done for a lot less money. Call it a risk reduction demonstration or something to prepare for the full scale sample return mission a decade from now.

>>16132556
>>16132904
nah, there are still oldfags around on /k/ and israel shilling boards get a lot of hate there. You still regularly see 'post guns'.

>>16132994
*threads

https://twitter.com/ISROSpaceflight/status/1780567346287161604

Elon taking a bit of time to review some Indian space startups and talk with the founders/engineers

https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1780410441316901003

Starlink in India now. Yesterday's talks with Modi must have been very fruitful

>>16133002
this is probably a courtesy visit more than anything
SpaceX is going to get starlink approval in india now and tesla is going to start some operations there as well

there's nothing positive about even more indians getting access to internet

>>16133011
>more telecommuting means less train death videos
You may be right.

>>16133003
how will this affect the shitting street design envelope in india's crew module?

>>16133014
but more indians posting, this might mean more videos in net even then

>>16132994
>You still regularly see 'post guns'.
Does it have to include your serial number also?

blundersnot posted another video about spaceflight

>>16133062
post it then nigga

>seething this much about a smart guy debunking musks 101 IQ claims

>>16133064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxG0WAwwrGk

>>16132991
>If they need a quick propaganda victory
NASA absolutely needs propaganda defeat as a wake-up call

>>16132904
it's only gotten worse since the ukraine war thing, the board is full of brown thirdies and their western contrarian fangirls desperately trying to shill for whatever product their shithole came up with.
i visited a few days ago and the top 3 threads were just sandnigger mudslimes and jews yelling at eachother about the recent incident.

>>16133062
>>16133064
>>16133070
>he thinks samefagging will prevent people from telling him to buy an ad
buy an ad, homosexual.

>>16133070
i thought you meant blue origin and not thunderfoot

>>16133072
>i visited a few days ago and the top 3 threads were just sandnigger mudslimes and jews yelling at eachother about the recent incident.
and yet one (1) post about organizing against US gun law gets you jannied from /k/

>>16132343
Is having a "space force" really necessary? Why not give those rolls to the Air Force they already deal with non-atmospheric things like cyberspace anyway.

>>16133092
>Is having a "space force" really necessary?
yes
>Why not give those rolls to the Air Force they already deal with non-atmospheric things like cyberspace anyway.
cyber command is a combatant command across all branches

>>16132544
>the closer the technologies are to being available, the more uncertain the timeline is
That can't be right.

>>16133096
The last 20% of the work is always 80% of the work.

>>16133098
>1 days of development
>more advanced that Teslabot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ECwExc-_M

>>16133092
>rolls

>>16133107
nuskniggers will be killing themselves over this one.

>>16133107
Neat

>>16133113
lol
lmao
The only one upset here is you, about some imaginary figure you've crafted in your mind.
You should try some positive thinking now and then. It'd do you good, believe me.

>>16133107
Very cool. Hydraulictrannies btfo and I'm glad they've seen the light.
Seems stronger than Teslabot and better controls code. Elon's a bit autistic for making his intentionally weak.

>>16132906
Elon sees a self sufficient Mars colony as an offsite backup for Western civilization. It has dick all to do with the economics of selling things to Earth.

Reminder that this thing was a probe send to observe our solar system, and the alien armada is coming.

>>16133152
If aliens want to kill us, they'll drop some shit going at relativistic speeds on us before they arrive

>>16133154
why would you go out of your way to meet an alien species but vaporise them before you get there?

>>16132401
>>16132394
>>16132388
The rockets diameter is too small for its engine size and count which is why you have the ones making it square.

>>16133154
Why would they want to kill us?
Maybe they are just as perverted as we are and just want to fuck us.

>>16132444
Flight 3's 'only' 40-50 tons to LEO is a product of Raptors not being run at full throttle, Starship/Superheavy not having a full propellant load and excess dry mass that hasn't been optimized yet.

>>16133161
God pls

Thoughts on USCRPL’s Aftershock?
Launching this weekend to an apogee of 149km
http://www.uscrpl.com/aftershock
https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_1196.html

>>16133135
its not intentionally weak, its optimized for cheap mass manufacturing and low power consumption
this is yet another "see what we can do" from boston dynamics, its probably going to be very expensive to manufacture, use more power and thus have lower uptime and the extra range of motion means it can't be trained using imitation learning in the same way but conventional robotics mostly again
perhaps its a good bet, but boston dynamics has been at it for over 20 years and don't really have any compelling products yet

>>16133164
incoming EDS response from trannies that desperately want starship to be a failure because they have a crab bucket mentality.

>>16133154
Or maybe Oumuamua was their killshot and it malfunctioned during acceleration and missed.

>>16133164
The propellant to dry mass fraction and overall thrust is still higher than they like; Raptor 3 is supposed to fix some of it, but given their payload targets, it seems like a system that really wants to be 12m in diameter.

>>16133185
it was an artificial hydrogen iceberg, all part of the aliens' master plan to make avi loeb look silly

>>16133185
That's the plot of the expanse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsVgUpf6by8
>Starbase Prepares for Fire | SpaceX Boca Chica

>>16133209
I remember those flame diverters from a few weeks back. So theyre upgrading Masseys then huh.

https://twitter.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1780659948134752754

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1780661200818200921
Looks like getting more engines wasn't as much of a problem as getting their next payload

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T66s2p9PBX4

two more vertical tanks getting removed

>>16133251
Hory shit, theyre going to literally make an entire private town just for SpaceX Starbase employees. FUUUUUCKKKK NOW I REALLY WANT TO WORK THERE

>>16133251
Lyndon B Johnson Boulevard?

>>16133259
I’m literally söyfacing at the thought of living in a company town rn.
I hope elon pays me in starbase-bux that are only valid at spacex owned shops. That would be so heckin epic!

>>16133003
Honestly a big deal. India has stricter local ownership laws than China. That and the Indian bureaucracy has no fears of falling behind decades to follow said rules.

>>16133265
clearly NASA shenanigans at work

>>16132556
The problem is I get shit on for having "meme guns"

>>16133266
https://www.udio.com/songs/57EqWNqWUSiBMwmurf7cQn
commence seething

>>16133268
Modi is from a state that he ran on economic growth, lenient foreign investment, etc. So it makes sense that Modi is seeking more foreign investment

>>16133172
Student built... good for them

>>16133273
>commence seething
you already did by posting this low quality EDS
can you imagine being so obsessed with one man that you make multiple entire AIslop songs dedicated to seething about him?

>>16133290
Well considering Modi let there air force completely fuck up the MRCA competition, I want to see proof of your statement.

I mean who turns down basically free factories.

>>16133297
>relentless seething from the weird nerd
On cue! Defend him some more!

>>16133298
There are no such thing as free things in life. This is life protip #1. Its very important to understand this deeply. All things have costs

>>16133302
back to r*ddit fag

>>16133304
Rubbin my nips to you right now. Wooo!

>>16133273
pretty catchy. that smarmy song on the sidebar is really good.
>>16133297
making fun of you != EDS

>>16133310
thank u, which one, the dropkick murphy one? theres a folk version too. wrote that song last night. contributions welcome on the /g/ aislop audio thread. i have another banger but if i publish it i'll get banned for sure

>>16133302
>>16133310
>more samefagging
embarrassing behaviour, does your mother know you hate-worship a CEO on the internet?

Fags
And if you agree with this you're a fag too

>>16133333
you said i made another eds song, but i cant find any. can you link me?

>>16133336
the one you just posted
it contained some weird derangement syndrome
you characterize everyone who likes spacex like this, because it is a reflection of your own demented mind.
your idea of
>making fun
is basically dumping all of the EDS FUD that reddit fed you into a machine learning algorithm and hoping that it comes up with something catchy.
i don't have to do anything other than call it out and you get all defensive.

>>16133070
Kek these people can't stop seething

imagine making people so butthurt by making fun of their obsessive lying about spacex that they spend the time and effort to make an entire song seething about you.
it's pretty impressive how EDS has hollowed these people out, at this point i wouldn't be surprised if they spend 5+ hours per day thinking about and fuming over elon musk.

>>16133339
it's a proclaimers song called i'm gonna be and i changed like 6 words

>>16133331
>X/Tesla
where SpaceX? Too irrelivant for normies?

>>16133161
>I'm now reminded of the Fluff-Kevlar version

>>16133346
it's kind of irrelevant to the point, the point is someone went through the effort of doing that and now wants to pretend to be all aloof and uninvested about it.
no normal person makes content like this, you need some sort of mental disorder to consider making stuff like that and obsessively spamming it and THEN also samefagging literally everytime you post them.
literally every time he has done this, right afterwards there is one (1) post congratulating him on how cool and ebin the song is, he's not even trying to be subtle, he's that desperate for validation.

>>16133273
>>16133297
>>16133302
>>16133333
>>16133339
>>16133345
>>16133353
SHUT THE FUCK UP. BOTH OF YOU ARE HUGE FAGGOTS

Newfag mass replying to bait kek

>>16133358
>hurr i'm retarded
>stupid retard
>haha you fell for my clever ruse
"bait" is just the new form of pretending to be retarded, it deserves nothing but mockery.
pretending to be retarded is always the result of being actually retarded.

>>16133303
Bruh dont @ me with mantras. Boeing was willing to move the entire F-18 line to India.

>>16133353
technically my friend made it but his version didnt sound enough like proclaimers so i took the words and made it sound much closer to the original. the art is pretty funny too

>>16133363
but it's not, it sounds like something a retard made because he's upset.

>>16133364
it's actually pretty close to be fair

Ukrainian satellite TV got hacked to broadcast Tucker's Putin interview
https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1c6e1d2/ua_pov_ukraines_broadcast_satellite_has_been/

it's been so long since satellite broadcasts have been hijacked that i figured it was no longer possible. not exactly spaceflight and definitely not novel, but it's notable because for the longest time the best examples of space warfare that we had were signal hijacking and gps jamming. now we have missiles getting shot down in space as better examples, so nobody really cares about minor fluff stuff like this anymore.

>>16133359
Moron none of it was me its just obvious bait

>>16133365
that it is, it's just not something you make unless you have some weird political hangups.

>>16133367
i didn't say it was you, that message was meant for the retard, if he really is merely pretending to be a retard.

>>16133368
not really, i'm a cybertruck reservation holder

>>16132914
its not even to scale with the lego Saturn V
massive L

>>16133366
do people still use satellite tv

>>16133370
why on earth would you buy that piece of shit? at least wait until tesla's figured out the teething issues?

>>16133373
It looks cool and i like being the center of attention

>>16133273
I sound like this and I sing this while posting.

This is canon. This is actually canon.

>>16133251
you dont build stuff like this for welders. they're moving engineering, programming, and other white collar jobs to the area.

>>16133268
supposedly tesla got approved to build a car factory in india

>elon on the verge of getting approved of the $56 billion tesla stock payout
he better throw it into spaceflight. the $44 billion on twitter/x has been a huge distraction.

>>16133195
There could totally be captured interstellar objects floating around in the Oort Cloud. Could we intercept Sedna when it is at its 76AU perihelion in 50 years?

>>16133386
it was nuts. Especially considering that SpaceX has to do funding rounds to cover its costs and is trying to milk a few hundred mil here and there from the measly 3 billion contract for HLS. That 44 bil would bankroll the start of the Mars colony for christs sake. Exit scamming Tesla is a moral good provided it gets us to Mars.

>>16133386
He's likely gonna throw it at X.ai. They need to buy a fuckton of GPUs

There is approximately nobody on the entire planet who has a mission profile that requires 200+ tons to LEO in a single launch.

>>16133394
...yet

>>16133372
in underdeveloped shitholes like Africa and Europe yeah

>>16133394
Do you know what propellant is?
>he still doesn't understand orbital refilling
GEEEG

>>16133394
Hey, uhh your Mom called ;)

>>16133391
should throw it at power production instead...something that tesla already has experience with

>Electricity supply is becoming the latest chokepoint to threaten the growth of artificial intelligence, according to leading tech industry chiefs, as power-hungry data centers add to the strain on grids around the world.
>Billionaire Elon Musk said this month that while the development of AI had been “chip constrained” last year, the latest bottleneck to the cutting-edge technology was “electricity supply.” Those comments followed a warning by Amazon chief Andy Jassy this year that there was “not enough energy right now” to run new generative AI services.
https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/04/power-hungry-ai-is-putting-the-hurt-on-global-electricity-supply/

>>16133398
Europa Clipper weighs six tons. Six. What the fuck are they going to put on Starship that weighs 200 tons? I'm genuinely asking. The entire ISS is 450 tons. If 200+ means 225, it could put the ISS into orbit in two launches. What is the market for this? Who is going to buy launches?

>>16133394
>200+ tons to LEO in a single launch
isnt that vast's future plan?

>>16133408
I never knew the ISS was that heavy.

>>16133408
>What the fuck are they going to put on Starship that weighs 200 tons?
oxygen and methane
>he still doesn't understand orbital refilling

>>16133266
It's my understanding that SpaceX employees are paid in USD

>>16133408
Now imagine how much cheaper Europa Clipper or JWST would have been without the mass autism.

>>16133408
Mostly it benefits tankers see >>16133413
Also Starlink can use the entire payload capacity.
Also it translates to higher direct GEO insertion.

>>16133419
>imagine the budget cuts at lockheed and jpl without the mass autism

>>16133408
I want her to fucking eat me

>>16133408
>What the fuck are they going to put on Starship that weighs 200 tons?
Mars colony supplies and also propellant see >>16133413

Best ballpark estimate I can find for total payload mass, that's the total mass ever launched, is 10,500 tons, which works out almost perfectly to a single Starship launch per week putting humanity's entire payload mass across history into orbit in one year.

>>16133398
>>16133413
Nobody has a mission profile that uses that much propellant.

>>16133380
yeah the solar panels are the same ones used on Starlink that we saw in the eclipse footage so it probably is canon

>>16133427
>Nobody has a mission profile that uses that much propellant.
Artemis 3 HLS does.

>>16133382
well they are building a office building

Reminder that Starship will not have a big payload door.
The biggest is the HLS elevator door which will work for Mars also.
Starlink gets the slit.
Elon doesn't fucking care about launching space telescopes or the twentieth NASA methane detector or the cubesats from the Burundian amateur radio club.
Making an extra variant is not worth the market that can't be serviced by Falcon 9.
There's exactly three uses: Starlink, Moon, Mars.

>>16133386
its just re-voting on a package that he got in 2018
so getting back something that was in the air for a while
this is options, not cash and he can't sell the stock for 5 years after getting it anyway

>>16133390
absolutely clueless lmao

>>16133435
Vast is working on a starship class size inflatable station. Surely they have at least had a discussion with someone at spacex about payload dimensions

https://techport.nasa.gov/view/116758
>Cryogenic (H2/O2) Smart Propulsion Flight Demonstration (SmartProp)

>Project Description
>Demonstrate a smart propulsion cryogenic system, using liquid oxygen and hydrogen, on a Vulcan Centaur upper stage. Test precise tank pressure control, tank to tank propellant transfer, and multi-week propellant storage (i.e., passive thermal control).

ACES bros we are fucking back

>>16133443
>Vast is working on a [...] inflatable station
wrong

>>16133386
that's enough money to give every space startup on the planet $56 billion

>>16133427
>Nobody has a mission profile that uses that much propellant.
Elon has. He wants to colonize Mars and put a base on the Moon.
You think he was kidding about this?

>>16133443
Retard thats not Vast learn your CSS companies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FATmc8aW4Uk
Starlink launch in 40 min

>>16133445
Sierra Space, sorry I have brain damage. Vast is working on a 7m diameter station though.

>>16133448
>>16133450
There's a lot of them, not even counting the Chinese

>>16133444
checked and based

>>16133380
>not going for electrolysis power like Apollo and Space shuttle

why?

>>16133389
A Project Lyra type could maybe do it. Does anyone have the full .gif?

>>16132436
At least it's an indication that they're now taking reuse seriously

>>16133394
why would they? there isn't a cheap launch option available for it yet

>>16132914
Space Shuttle set was more kino

>>16133470
>>16132914
Why aren't they using this version?
https://ideas.lego.com/projects/a6f7f649-a68d-450b-bdb6-0bd07e26f5da

>>16132436
Is Eric Berger capable of writing about Russia without two thirds of the text being snark? Some of the snark in the article is even quite disingenuous.

https://ideas.lego.com/projects/4f27a76f-0da7-4399-9e33-d9adedc376f8#&gid=1&pid=1

Badass. Too bad le bad man Felon Husk is in it.

>>16133474
Nobody in spaceflight has any sympathy for Russians when they have wasted everything they had from the Cold War era.

>>16133474
yeah i understand wanting to do it given his history with rogozin but it's still unprofessional and unserious as journalism

>>16133386
Is it still worth $56 billion? Tesla's stock has gone down in value a lot

>>16133470
Nice pillow. Took me a second to realize what the blue blur was.

This broadcast is not available in your location.

Elon, I'm not in fucking China or Russia. What the fuck, man?

>missed the barge

fuck, restart the count

kino

>>16133478
The breakup of the USSR was followed by an economic meltdown. Russia's economy almost halved in the 1990s. It only recovered past the 1990 level in 2007. Also, the former Russian SFSR was close to breaking up even further during the 1990s.

>The dissolution of the Soviet Union resulted in great difficulties for the Russian space industry. Over the years 1989–1999, the country's space budget dropped by 88%[10] and established production cooperation chains disintegrated.
(from the wiki article on Krunichev)

Russia is not the USSR. Soviet industry was spread across the USSR, and the Russian SFSR only had about half of the USSRs population. Russia has spent the last three decades repairing broken supply chains. An illustrative example is how the Il-76 and Il-114 used to be built in Tashkent (in Uzbekistan). So Russia built a new factory for Il-76 production in Ulyanovsk that only started deliveries in 2015, and Il-114 production in Voronezh that started production in 2016.

The most obvious example of broken supply chains in terms of space are how Tsyklon, Zenit and Energia boosters were built in Ukraine, and how the Baikonur launch site is in Kazakhstan. They managed to keep the cooperation going for a while, but no one wanted to depend on cross-border supply chains that everyone involved realized were extremely fragile. As we've seen, that was indeed prescient. So of course the Russians wanted to move away from most of the Soviet space legacy.

HOLY SHIT

Why so off-axis? Strong high-level winds?

it's over

THE PERFECT FLIGHT STREAK ENDS NOW!!

Speaking of Sierra, I have been saying it occasionally for years now:
Dreamchaser will NEVER launch.

>>16133509
this whole mission is sus

Starshield

>>16133509
it lost control.

>>16133515
>>16133517
Skynet confirmed

it's ogre

welpp

>>16133509
somebody realized mid-flight that they were using the periapsis from the last launch in mechjeb and had to change it

>no further posts

hide your shame SpaceX

>>16133386
>he better throw it into spaceflight
He's going to need much of it to cover his loans that use Tesla stock as collateral before he gets margin called

someone make a webm

>>16133507
>It only recovered past the 1990 level in 2007
And by that I mean recover to the 1990 levels of the Russian SFSR, not the USSR as a whole

>>16133529
Of what?

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1780713397249880096

Yeah they lost it, gg

>>16133482
Rogozin was shuffled away from Roscosmos almost two years ago, though. The reason is clearly not Rogozin

>>16133538
>landing confirmed
>they lost it

:(

>>16133544
"landing confirmed"

Common Sense Skeptic will be sure to include the Falcon 9 crash (or Failed-Con 9 as he likes to call it) in his next video. I've dmed the news to him. It's just like watching Shitship explode. Musks projects are nothing but failures. Approaching 8 eyars and he STILL can't stick the landing reliably. meanwhile airliners take off and land thousands of times every day..

>>16133507
ESA has arguably bungled things worse than roscosmos in the last 20 years but they also haven't been run by embarrassing oafs who get fired because they can't quit running their mouths
>>16133542
the former head of roscosmos going on unhinged rants and making polonium jokes at him may have soured his opinion of roscosmos

>>16133544
Preemptive
>stupid fairyposter
because I know its coming

>>16133538
>>16133525
>>16133521
>>16133520
sci needs flags

>>16133564
gay

>>16133564
Newfag from /pol/ detected. Tell me what this equation is right now.

>>16133394
"Invention is the mother of necessity" - Thorstein Veblen

spacex quality control is so bad.

>>16133557
boeing was making pictures of an airplane that could put 400 tons in orbit with 1970s concept art technology. if elon understood what he was doing THIS is what starship would look like.

>>16133372
That's a crt TV they are using. Of course they don't have anything better

>>16133394
Of course not. No one has a rocket that can lift that much, so it would be a waste of time to design such a mission.

>>16133564
meme flags at most

>15 minutes
>no answer on what the newfag filter is
told you he was from /pol/

>>16132448
>flourine is such a great oxidizer that it oxidizes oxygen
lol

>>16133164
Is Raptor not being run at full throttle or is full thrust not actually as high as Elon likes to claim? The liftoff thrust figures in the recent presentation certainly confirm that thrust is below the claimed maximum for all engine versions at that point.

>>16133601
The thrust figures for Flight 3 in the presentation were below the demonstrated thrust of Raptor 2.

>sweden joins artemis accords
just sign up europe as a whole at this point

>>16133405
The two AP1000s at the vogtle plant cost $34 billion, originally supposed to be only $14 billion. If Musk was the head of the construction it would probably get built much faster and closer to initial costs. At 1117 MW each it could power around 50 of the top super computer, OLCF-5 at 22MW. I bet future AI is going to consume an insane amount of power soon with everyone wanting to integrate it in some way. Or it could end up like the dot com bubble

maybe nasa should mainly focus on space and atmospheres and let another organization take over surface science

>>16133601
>>16133609
they might be running raptor below its rated thrust just so both stages have easy engine-out capability. if you run all 6 engines at 83% and one goes out then you can ramp the remaining 5 up to 100% and you're still good.

>>16133435
>t.

>>16133405
I remember arguing about this with some retard here I think and turns out musk was right
curious how that works out
maybe musk isn't stupid?

>>16133408
new payloads specifically designed for starship-class launchers

>>16133610
most of Europe already is

May we see the landed booster?

>>16132343
space is trump country

>>16133609
>demonstrated thrust of Raptor 2
What thrust are you referring to here? If you mean the tests Elon occasionally posts remember those aren't flight thrusts.

>>16133504
Where?

>>16133629
>durr hurr it's a special invisible booster for uhh... a starshield test! yeah!
the walls are closing in for elon

>>16133628
I wonder if these are going to become some future space alliances beyond just the moon

>>16133630
I wonder how scared the crew were inside.
Any minute they could have been hit by a boat or captured and raped by a fanatical trumper

space force will be getting $4 million for ukraine operations, the second smallest amount after the marines ($3 million)
https://twitter.com/QuiverQuant/status/1780648308085608791

that wont even pay for starshield

>>16133563
Good frog poster

>>16133164
Okay this thing is so dumb looking

>>16133640
nvm im blind, its $12 million

>>16133636
That's really what this is about. The economic case for any commercial activity out past geostationary orbit is dubious, but that's not going to last forever. Establishing a permanent presence on the moon means you can start to write and enforce treaties about deep space economic activity that actually mean something. The current space race is about whether a Western or Chinese economic model is prevalent for when space mining finally becomes viable.

>>16133633
kek.

Felon lost his booster. And to put icing on the shit cake they pretended it landed lol.

>>16133148
elon says a lot of shit and will long be dead before anything resembling a sci-fi colony is on mars. Its a wasteland as cold as antarctica and dry as sahara with 1% of earths atmosphere. Outside some piss poor Dunc larp sitting under the blue sky and breathable air will remain the overwhelming preference for a long, long time.

All shut ins dreaming off going off world to escape their soiboy pseudo problem filled life can emulate the experience by signing up on oil rigs in the north sea

Gib IFT-4 now Elon

>>16132991
NASA doesn't want to get humiliated by the Chinese, which is still third world in the China countryside.

>>16132991
bug hands wrote this

>>16133651
I practice the wim hoff method so it will be fine.

>>16133660
i practice forming nitrogen bubbles in my blood

Reading the recent comments in this thread after waking up, I unironically believed that a Falcon 9 failed

Nothing ever happens. Is there room on board for a secret national security payload or is this a starshield launch?

https://youtu.be/qZvV7FDXYnM?si=Ojsv1jdIfGWKfDrA
Alarm going off on ISS (this is back when Rubins and Glover were on board. They should both be the ones to go back to the Moon first btw)

https://on.soundcloud.com/gxCugHeXMESBuBFV7
ISS alarms. Sorry for the source; I couldn’t find it anywhere else.
I find this fascinating. I was trying to see what type of alarms the Space Shuttle orbiters used. I couldn’t find anything

>>16133670
cool

>>16133670
black people and ignoring alarms
coincidence?

>>16133690
*chirp*

>>16133670
>official ESA account
>“This emergency alert is the last thing astronauts on the ISS ever want to hear as they work 400 km above Earth in the vacuum of space”
Holy shit. So this is what you would hear before you died on the ISS huh.

>>16132906
Mars could serve as a propellant manufactory for the whole solar system. Easy production of methalox, boosters not required for launch.

>>16133651
>cold as antarctica and dry as sahara
Neither of those things are exactly true, especially the water assertion.

>>16133632
All over the world. SpaceX seemingly neglected to say it was partial spooksat launch.

>>16133640
It looks like most of the money is just going to the US military, glowies and MIC rather than Ukraine.

>>16132906
>get as many pretty pictures as you want
When I was 6 I naively thought we had 24/7 eyes on the outer gas planets, with the occasional manned trip. I knew about how long ago Apollo was, and took for granted that there must have been many since. I wondered how many astronauts must be up there right now. When some gay charity marathon with some guy crossing a continent or whatever would be on TV I wasnt interested, I wondered who the first person was to jog around the moon on foot.

>>16133640
>Energy Programs - Science (isotopes): $98M
That sounds ominous

Why was shuttle orbiter so gorgeous?
There is a timeline where SpaceX went bankrupt on the 4th falcon flight and /sfg/ worships americas former shuttle prestiege compared to its present ula soyuz debacle

>>16133751
the internet had already turned on the shuttle by then, especially after mike griffin trashed it https://aviationweek.typepad.com/space/2007/03/human_space_exp.html
but if f9 never happened and we were still waiting on starliner to fly maybe there'd have been a counter-contrarian backlash

>>16133460
Why the FUCK can't we make cool shit like this.

>>16133759
the oberth-kuiper maneuver is actually real?

>>16133751

>>16133759
>Intercept in 2054
Show me what it looks like with a direct burn without a solar-Oberth maneuver using the full Delta-V of a fully refueled Superheavy, Expendable Starship, and a second Expendable Starship (also all refueled) as the primary mission propulsion system.

>>16133768
where is this from

https://twitter.com/Harry__Stranger/status/1780743305309159651
>Planning to go live in about an hour to begin processing declassified spy satellite images that were scanned with the help of the community!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-IcA7Z25H8

>>16133768
FUCK I WAS ABOUT TO POST THAT
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20230013972/downloads/CrewLogistics%20Lander%20for%20Common%20Hab%20Architecture.pdf

>>16133772
what fucking abomination is this

>>16133770
saw it on twitter but the source is good ol' NTRS

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20230013972/downloads/CrewLogistics%20Lander%20for%20Common%20Hab%20Architecture.pdf

>>16133694
Luckily it will queit down a lot once the atmosphere vents

>>16133765
>The mismatch on those old and new tiles and heat blankets
>the fact that it's comically large
So much reusability kino it's unreal.

>>16133773
2slow

>>16133653
_ T W O _
W E E K S

>>16133776
oh my..

>>16133768
this is so confusing.

>>16133764
Lyra is not the first one to propose that. The Hopkins proposal for Heliophysics Decadal Survey did so too before. And chinks too a few years ago, apparently.

>>16133782
The janky shape of starship makes me appreciate even more the perfect proportions of this girl. It's just so good. I tried to replicate it in KSP so many times. I had the autistic goal of making it aero stable during reentry without RCS and that's how I found out that the real one wasnt lol

>>16133794
just add canards to the front and slide them internally using the translate tool

gen alpha in 20 years: spaceflight is so slow *watches multiple buildings get built on mars every year* we should have massive cities by now its 2044.

>>16133782
The ass is so chunky. Buran is only good for anal but Shuttle would give you children.

>>16133783
trust the plan

>>16133791
>>16133759
>>16133766
skip all the extra shit and do the intercept in half the time instead

>>16133798

>>16133796
Yeah I know you can cheese it in all sorts of ways but I was trying to make a replica. For years I thought it was spinning out on reentry because I didn't build it like the real one.

>>16133759
We could if there was someone to fund it. People have flown much more complex trajectories with multiple gravity assists just to get to the belt or even mars because if muh mass autism. >>16133766 has the right of it. Depending on how big of a probe we want to send, we could easily yeet something on a fast solar escape trajectory using a refueled starship as the primary stage and maybe a hypergolic kicker stage on top. Hell if you applied some mass autism to your probe you could maybe bring along enough juice to perform an insertion burn into orbit around pluto or sedna or eris

>>16133803
>upskirt
nasty

>>16133768
>>16133772
keek wtf is this. it's not HLS it's got a heat shieldthrxs

>>16133772
Looks like a speculative way to get a Starship lander crew back to orbit after the end of a surface mission (on Mars?) without having to depend on ISRU propellant production being available yet.

>>16133772
>>16133768
>>16133773
>>16133775

This doesn't make any sense. whats the point of all that volume in SS if you don't take advantage of all that room.

>>16133821
Eh its just some Nasa trade study.
This won't happen they will instead deliver propellant with more Starships if you don't have ISRU yet

>>16133772
>Flame diverter
so that little bit on the top of starship has a flame diverter but the actual superheavy does not? absurd

NASA's goals (pbut) are beyond you're understanding

>>16133768
Can someone explain why they would have a giant payload door on the heatshield section?

>>16133848
>>16133846

>>16133848
I guess it's structurally better. To not have both on the same side.

>>16133848
Cause you have so much mass margin can just put another larger heatshield covered inner door behind it

>>16133768
why would hls have flaps or a heat shield?

>>16133907
its not hls doe

>>16133821
Escape system for Starship. If things start to look sketchy you all pile into the Dragon in the nose and blast away to safety.

>>16133922
>Dragon

has spacex demoed the starship elevator yet
will the moon lander have a backup ladder

>>16133848
lunar starship wont have a heatshield

>>16133907
>>16133910
>>16133922
it's just a stupid study. this shit's not happening

>>16133927
It will have 2 elevators
And they have shown pictures of astronauts testing some early version

this dude is maxxlarping. not sure if cringe. algorithm recommended me the channel (not me I swear). https://www.youtube.com/@ArenzSpace/videos

>>16133950
the roblox nasa kids were better

>>16133794
Humanity's aerospace crew vehicles will always look shootly to some degree. Maybe with V tail instead of vertical to reduce the RCS dependence on entry, and Starship definitely has the right idea of integral methalox tanks refilled on orbit... but the double delta is so good.

>Sweden is the 38th country to sign the accords and the second in as many days, after Switzerland signed on April 15 in a ceremony at NASA Headquarters. With Sweden’s accession, 14 of 22 full members of the European Space Agency have joined, along with 13 of 27 members of the European Union.
Stop slacking, yurp. Join up already.

Bros... theyre not gonna scale are they...

>>16133977
>history of failure
>sanpaku eyes
>management position
Her pussy must grip like a galactic core and one of her supervisors is hiring her to enjoy that.

>>16133979
Its so sad... I still have really high hopes for Vast since all their previous announced hires have been great and theyre posting good progress but this bitch just isnt it.

>>16133979
>>16133981
chud fags. reminder that SpaceX has lots of women in management

>>16133982
Gwynne is actually good at her job though. This bitch is a hired hole.

>>16133982
Women in management isnt the problem, if she had worked at SpaceX on Starlink for Falcon it would be the best hire you could get and nobody would question it. But Sierra, Blue and Orbital ATK that went to Northrop??? That is not a good lineup for scalability.

>>16133985
She's probably good at her job too.
>hired hole
touch grass. this never happens

>>16133962
the original rockwell delta wing concept had split wingtip stabilizers to deal with the yaw problem too. i'm not sure why they ever went away from it.

>>16133987
>Women in management isnt the problem
Technically, no, it isn't. A lack of dedication to the mission in favor of playing politics and personal gain is. Women, as exemplified by the new CEO of NPR, are generally a lot more inclined to pursue politics over and at the expense of the organization's mission.

$500,000 STARBASE SUSHI RESTURANT
https://www.mysanantonio.com/business/article/spacex-recreation-sushi-projects-19407660.php

>>16133992
Im telling you bros, theyre making a town just for SpaceX employees on Starbase so they never have to leave. I NEED to work there I MUST, I HAVE to and I WILL.

>>16133993
how are the starbase hookers

>>16133996
Wouldnt care to know.

>>16133988
Her resume literally proves she's not. She's just job hopping (into bed).

>>16133794
I love the meme shape of Starship, it's a giant autism rocket

>>16134023
Cock

A launch provider launched 100 times in 1 year. This is What Happened to his Body.

>>16134028
you didnt just say that

>>16133993
Based SpaceX, they know that work sets you free.

>>16134034
Damn right I did

MECHANICAL COUNTERPRESSURE GLOVES
NOW!

is there an orbit that maximizes the amount of time spent in earth's shadow, other than Sun-synchronous orbit
would it be useful for storing cryogenic fuel

>>16133265
We loving naming roads after presidents
We have the President George Bush Turnpike and the LBJ express, which is a 6-lane express-freeway built underneath I-635 in Dallas
https://www.texpresslanes.com/current-projects/lbj-texpress-lanes/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_George_Bush_Turnpike

IT'S UP IT'S UP IT'S UP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1u6J8aZi-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1u6J8aZi-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1u6J8aZi-g

>>16134153
Let's fucking go

>>16133923

>>16134153
Sweet.

>>16134293
>copyright claim on public domain footage
oy

>>16133161
This is legitimately infinitely more likely than aliens coming here to kill us. The only reason to come to Earth is for the life on it. And if you only want to kill the life then there's countless trivially easy ways to do it. So if aliens came to Earth they'd only ever be doing it for friendly reasons.

>>16133473
Cost and playability. Might also use build techniques that are considered cheating.

>>16133962
SpaceX has the right idea when it comes to entry, but their slap it together apprach means the vehicle has horrible proportions compared to the bespoke design of shuttle. 2016 ITS was beautiful and the vehicle has gotten uglier with time. Would be funny to see how final shuttle would look if it was developed by SpaceX

>>16134392
SpaceX isn’t known for aesthetics. The IVA suit is ugly. Dragon is kind of ugly. Falcon 9 is pretty inoffensive; not ugly but not iconic looking.

>>16134497
after seeing falcon so much its easy to forget how thin it is. it will be hilarious when starship is just as thin

>>16134497
I think dragon looks pretty cool. Much better than starliner. And soyuz and orion look the same as capsules did in the 70s