/sci/ - Science & Math

>>16008519
FUCK CORRUPTION

Le based exposer of political harlots and their made up data.

>>16008519
Thank you, Tony Heller repost bot.

>>16008566
Better than hossengoblin spam

>>16008519
>Tony Heller
lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLjkLPnIPPw

Reminder that climate data cannot be refuted because Science is by definition unfalsifiable.

>>16008519
THERMOMETERS ARE RACIST!
They lie like all bigots do and you have to fact-check them by changing the numbers.

compelling argument

>>16008852
>potsmoker54
the utter state

>>16009224
BTFO by a lowlife pothead

>>16008852
That was fun to watch. Heller is clearly one of the lower IQ global warming deniers. Seeing his lies dissected like this is satisfying.

>>16009526
Yes midwit, keep following your hell cult

>>16009563
Give one (1) objective point of criticism to the video linked here: >>16008852

This board is flooded with shills and bots, It's tricky to unpick what their various agendas are.

But I have seen enough times where some data autist demonstrated fishy with official data, only for a hoard of debunkers to show up with seemingly credible answers or outright deny reality I had seen with my very eyes, what's worse is that day in day out it's the same mantra.

Trust the Science(tm) or trust the /sci/ autist.
Often both are just wrong though.

>>16009636
t. useful idiot

>>16009644
How?

>>16009636
When the same bot post is made dozens of times debunking it becomes pretty easy. The idea that a shitpost so bad that anyone can debunk it in 5 minutes must mean that it's actually true is so ridiculous you probably are off your meds if you actually think like that.

>>16009805
>if you can't debunk every single denialist OP thread made every couple hours on muh mongolian basketweaving board YOU LOSE
lmao ok.

>>16009816
That's not what I or the poster I responded said.
OP said that spam is true specially because it's easy to debunk which is ridiculous argument. Your reading comprehension needs work.

>>16009785
See
>>16009805

You are a useful idiot who has fallen for the very transparent propaganda that gets posted here.

>>16009900
No, you are retarded I just pointed out that shills, autists, and debunkers seem canall be wrong.
I'm a sceptical cynical git.
But you're just a retard.

>>16009906
Keep telling yourself that, cattle.

>>16009908
Okay sweetie.

>>16009908
you're incapable of addressing the scientific aspects presented in the video so you're resorting to slandering the source since you don't want to admit that you're wrong because that would be too big of a blow to your fragile ego

>>16009927
The scientific aspects are addressed in the papers he misrepresents.

>>16009908
>WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!!
right, everyone except you is a total moron who is tricked by DA JOOOOOS!!! evil psyop and you're some sort of unique special snowflake genius who is the only human smart enough to see through it. whats the basis for your self assigned super-intelligence that makes you so superior to everyone else?
is it this:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662

>>16008566
>>16008852
>>16009526
>>16010383
Another victory for Science, another defeat of climate cultists.

>>16009918
>>16009927
>>16010383
>>16010560
Take your meds. Science isn't whatever you decide you want it to be, it requires knowledge and understanding which clearly none of you have. You will never be a scientist.

>>16008852

>>16008852
rent free

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>>16012207
The butthurt is strong ITT

>>16009927
Tony does this to global warming zealots because Tony is right about everything and he researches all his topics thoroughly so he is irrefutable of mathematical and scientific grounds, which means that the only way to attack his arguments are on lesser bases such as petty name calling

>>16008519
how come the "adjustments" to the temperature record never result in a warmer past and cooler present?
if the "adjustments" were being done honestly you'd expect that half the time you'd get a warmer past

>>16013906
Because the global average temperature is increasing and newer stations tend to be built father North.

>>16008519
its worth pointing out that the original data showed temperatures decreasing because the current interglacial period is waning, which is why you see trends like the long term cooling of the greenland ice sheet

>>16015227
>He thinks ice in Greenland is the world
At least change the file name, shill.

our queen says the shedding of jewish blood is what ends climate change. is she right?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/8AHkAJrpAxd4/

>>16008519
What's his story?

>>16015323
He was in Quantum Leap in 1989 and then went crazy and decided it was his life mission to challenge climate science.

JK. This is actually him.
https://www.desmog.com/steven-goddard/

>>16008519
its worth pointing out that the original data showed temperatures decreasing because the current interglacial period is waning and the next ice age will soon inevitably be upon us due to milankovitch cycles

>>16016432
>Milankovitch cycle
Pseudoscientific nonsense perpetuated by oil shills.

>>16016432
Post the rest of the graph.

>>16016436
They're real, but the way they're presented as the cause of global warming is pseudoscientific nonsense.

>>16016443
>They're real, but the way they're presented as the cause of global warming is pseudoscientific nonsense.
They are not, shill.

>>16016453
Bruh, you cannot be this ignorant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

>>16016436
you're just too low iq to understand the complexity of planetary orbits, you probably think the earth circles the sun the same way forever

>>16016456
>pseudoscientific theory
Did you read your own article, shill?
>>16016992
Earth has a consistent orbit around the Sun, yes.

>>16017068
>pseudoscientific theory
It doesn't say that anywhere.

>Earth has a consistent orbit around the Sun, yes
No.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles
>The Earth's rotation around its axis, and revolution around the Sun, evolve over time due to gravitational interactions with other bodies in the Solar System. The variations are complex, but a few cycles are dominant.[3]
>The Earth's orbit approximates an ellipse. Eccentricity measures the departure of this ellipse from circularity. The shape of the Earth's orbit varies between nearly circular (theoretically the eccentricity can hit zero) and mildly elliptical (highest eccentricity was 0.0679 in the last 250 million years).[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_orbit
>Ignoring the influence of other Solar System bodies, Earth's orbit, also known as Earth's revolution, is an ellipse with the Earth-Sun barycenter as one focus with a current eccentricity of 0.0167.

>>16017556
>still hasn't read his own article
It's pseudoscience to claim that Earth's orbit have anything to do with climate change, which is human caused.

>>16017894
>It's pseudoscience to claim that Earth's orbit have anything to do with climate change, which is human caused.
This might be the most retarded statement I've read in a long while

>>16017894
Modern climate change is human caused milankovitch cycles are still real, they just aren't causing modern warming.

>>16017918
Nice goal post moving. They're pseudoscience, oil shill.

>>16018009
>proximity to the sun does not effect climate

>>16018017
Nope. Only atmospheric composition impacts climate, especially when Humans are throwing ever increasing amounts of carbon dioxide and methane into the atmosphere. You've long lost this debate, shill.

>>16018037
>proximity to the sun does not affect climate

Wait, are you a flat earther?

>>16008852
>>16009526
reminder that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas

>>16018009
>>16017894

>>16018059
No, but you are, shill.

>>16018059
nobody understands milankovitch cycles because understanding milankovitch cycles requires knowledge of math and physics, which the overwhelming majority of people don't have. that ignorance of math and physics shields them from understanding the dynamic nature of planetary orbits which in turn allows them to believe in television fairy tales such as global warming.

>>16018690
awww, it's retarded

>>16018690
Yes. physical chemistry is a fairy tale, while planetary Gaia magic is totally real science and maths

>>16010735
>Science isn't whatever you decide you want it to be
It actually is, the ancient greeks knew much more about the origin of the universe than we do, they had concrete exact answers while we only have questions upon questions, being right or wrong is merely a semantic difference.

>>16018803
>the ancient greeks knew
apparenly they recently decrypted one of the carbonised documents from a library in pompeii.
It was a previously unknown document.
Makes me wonder what else they will eventually find.

>>16018954
>>>/lit/23037121

>>16017556
You two fags are both wrong. Milankovich cycles affect the climate but not in the timescale global warming is happening. Regardless Milankovich forcing is trending towards cooling

>>16018993
That's what I said here, retard >>16016443

>>16018993
global warming isn't happening tho

>>16018993
>Milankovich cycles affect the climate but not in the timescale global warming is happening.
If you're going to make that claim then you should have some mathematical evidence to back it up. Do you have anything like that or do you have no idea whatsoever how Milankovich cycles function?

>>16021140
Milankovich cycles occur over billions of years, global warming has taken only a single decade to manifest.

>>16021140
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles
>Milankovitch cycles describe the collective effects of changes in the Earth's movements on its climate over thousands of years.

I'll give you three graphs to contemplate.

>>16021140
>>16021182

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>>16021186
>nasa.gov
government propaganda outlets are not science

>>16021144
>Milankovich cycles occur over billions of years
you have no idea what you're talking about, you have no education in the relevant underlying math and science which relates to the topic you're pretending to be an expert in

>>16021203
Take your meds.

>>16021205
Ignorance of science is what powers belief in global warming.

>>16021205
The ignorant one is you, oil shill. Ignorant or willfully duplicitous. Milankovitch cycles DO NOT explain the rapid rise in global temperatures, which even now threaten the gulf stream, photosynthesis, and all life on Earth.

>>16021685
There is no rapid rise in global temperatures, the appearance that there is one is fabricated by scientists, thats what this thread is all about.

>>16021685
>which even now threaten the gulf stream, photosynthesis, and all life on Earth.
Shitposting against a schizo is still shitposting

>>16022988
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests
https://cosmosmagazine.com/science/biology/climate-change-is-messing-with-photosynthesis-in-unexpected-ways/
https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2023-08-26/global-warming-could-cause-leaf-photosynthesis-to-fail
Shill elsewhere.

>>16022970
>first graph is US temperature
>second graph doesn't state where the data is from
these could literally be from different locations retard. also climate change was something they were reporting about decades before 1999, if NASA needed to fabricate data to prove climate change they would've done so for the 1999 graph as well. Also gif doesn't provide any actual links to view where these graphs come from and the means of data collection, so it is essentially useless.

How the hell is Margaret Thatcher's political manipulation tool still being discussed? And why is everyone still so afraid of the coal mining industry? Are the jews so eager to be thrown into ovens instead of the coal?

>>16023411
jews were never thrown into any ovens, thats just an old fairy tale, it never happened outside of hollywood movies and other fictitious media

>>16024277
It is the job of myths to remind men what should be, rather than what has been. This compels our higher nature.

>>16021186
We're going into solar maximum, hence why irradiance is going down. But the variation is on the order of a watt. It's basically constant.

>>16024320
>But the variation is on the order of a watt. It's basically constant.
And yet the temperature is going up. What could be causing this do you think?

>>16023051
>the rate of increase in photosynthesis has slowed down in some dry places because they are dry ie CO2 is no longer the limiting factor on growth, but moisture.
>this is the same as "All photosynthesis on Earth is at risk from climate change"
You doomsday cultists would be funny if your delusions didn't threaten our way of life

>>16024325
Your way of life deserves to be threatened.

>>16024331
Stop shilling for authoritarian totalitarian global communism.

>>16021144
A single decade? What the fuck are you talking about? Was the industrial revolution in 2010?

>>16024335
Communism is inevitable. Read theory.

>>16024335
Who's talking about communism?

>>16024277
I know. But they should be.

>>16024336
the global warming lie started to be shilled heavily in the 1980s, its 40 years old. the weather hasn't changed even slightly since the 1980s either, so global warming is clearly fake

>>16008852
See >>16008519 lmao

>>16024342
>>>/pol/

>>16024325
>CO2 is no longer the limiting factor on growth, but moisture.
plants require less moisture to grow in a high CO2 environment

>>16028394
Yes, that's true. But that doesn't mean all plants can survive in a zero-moisture environment given an arbitrarily high level of CO2.
The article insinuates that higher CO2 is somehow fundamentally altering photosynthesis, when actually it's been boosted, but the rate of that boost has plateaued in some arid regions where, previously, CO2 levels were the primary limiting factor, but now it is moisture.

>>16008519
>>16008852
Potholer54 (real name Peter Hadfield) has an undergraduate degree in geology. Tony Heller (sometimes uses the pseudonym Steven Goddard) has both an undergraduate degree in geology and a masters degree in electrical engineering. Clearly Heller is more qualified academically but not in the discipline of climate science. Neither of them are qualified to engage in this debate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hadfield_(journalist)
https://www.desmog.com/steven-goddard/

>>16028756
>its a big conspiracy!!

>>16028756
What's with geologists anyway?
A geology degree seems like the right wing version of majoring in gender studies with a minor in insectionality and political science.

Clueless clowntards who know ZERO math and do nothing but promote consumerism and environmental destruction.
The other side of leftists promoting LGBTQWERTY degeneracy and population growth via mass immigration.

>>16028720
>The article insinuates that higher CO2 is somehow fundamentally altering photosynthesis
>somehow
Yeah, its a total mystery.
Plants evolved in a very high CO2 environment. Anything less than 4 figures is starving them.

>>16030603
Its weird how the people who claim that they're concerned about the environment all want to starve plants. Imagine how much better off nature would be if every acre of wilderness were twice or three times as productive as it currently is. Plus if farm acreage were more productive there would be less need for so much of it and a lot of what is currently farmland could revert to being natural wilderness

>>16008519
Tony Heller has a bunch of excellent videos on climate science, that whole channel is fantastic

>>16031803
They don't care about that

>>16008519
"corrected" data is always corrected to fit a political narrative

>>16029556
How did you come to this conclusion about geology degrees?

>>16009636
Michael Mann sucks donkey dick. The extra N in Mann is for NIGGER!

My views are unASSailable.

>>16028756
I'll take their words over your any time faggot. Fuck you

>>16034730
They're at odds with each other, you fucking retard.

>>16034915
>you fucking retard

>>16028394
Thats one of the great things about enhancing the atmosphere with extra CO2. Anyone who truly loves nature should be ecstatic about increasing atmospheric CO2

>>16034728
Michael Mann is jewish