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>>15964295
KEK

TOTAL AMERICAN FAILURE

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with the
VIBRATION
CONSPIRACY THEORIES!
IMMEDIATELY!

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Vulcan BE-4 killed Astrobiotic

Total old space death

https://x.com/breadfrom/status/1744439790852833729?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>15964311
lil bro is upset :skull:
>>15964312
you will never launch a payload to cislunar space

>>15964317
Are they the ones who made moon lander that was too fat to function?

It's over for ULA.
It's over for Blue Origin.

>>15964317
This isn't even true. Frontier provided the engines, but Astrobotic hasn't indicated if it's a failure of the engines, tanking, valves, etc...

https://spacenews.com/frontier-aerospace-talos/

>>15964317
Could Dianetics and Blue Origin be working in cahoots? They dont want Astrobotic competing with their lunar lander so they killed it with vibrations and worked in plausible deniability jnto their plan
...

>>15964317
Remember the self proclaimed aerospace employee ranting about shoestring budget and fixed price.
Yet you outsource core components of your spacecraft like you're Boeing.
How much did they pay Dynetics 10$M? 20?
KEEEEEK

>>15964325
>>15964317
>proposal had components with negative mass

>>15964330
Topkek

>>15964328
It's over for old space.

Eventually the actual engineers will leave the thread and all we'll be left with are the unemployed SpaceX retards

Can't wait

>>15964347
All engineers left months ago

>>15964347
anti-anime fag drove them all out last year

>tfw Shaken Payload Syndrome

Someone make a Peregrine gijinka girl with a ruptured asshole and a blue used condom in her asshole

>>15964347
Engineer in training YWNGTS fraud

>>15964347
>>15964350
>>15964351
seething so incredibly

>>15964351
im still here. what kind of engineering questions do you have?

>>15964360
Who are you and where do you work?

Idiots opened the wrong valve with their emergency sun pointing command

>>15964360
Samefag fraud that will use ChatGPT to answer questions so that he can try and change public opinion about his awful spam

>>15964365
>activate propulsion system
>lose sun-orientation immediately after

its clear there was some explosion or something

>>15964364
I'm Paul Wooster, SpaceX
>>15964366
Afraid to ask me a question? Strange reaction

Engineers moved to X and/or boomer forums
The same applies to creative people, like drawfags.

>>15964347
>implying /sfg/ wasn't anything more than a cheerleading platform

>>15964359
>green frog holding beverage.png
bruh look at this dood

>>15964369
Someone find his LinkedIn

>>15964369
Prove it.

>nobody cared all that much about the Vulcan launch
>the payload is floundering even
Just kill ULA off already. It's clear that nobody gives a shit.

>>15964375
I love wojacks and basedjaks. can you make a cobson one? Gem!

>>15964375
gem

>>15964374
i can prove it if you ask me an engineering question

Wasn't Europa Clipper moved away from SLS to Falcon Heavy due to SLS having a too "perfect delivery" (read: shaking the shit out of the payload)?
I remember reading something about that

>>15964286
loitering without having to use propellant is probably pretty good

>>15964383
That was a complete and utter lie by the scientists who wanted to launch their payload but didn't wanna wait until after the artemis launches. Because sls cadence was low and waaa waa waaaaaaaaa

>>15964347
>the actual engineers

>>15964350
ok

Imagine what will happen blowbackwise when Vulcan kills the Aretemis astronauts haha

>put dogecoin on the lander
>Anomaly hits and critical propellant loss
Like pottery it rhymes

>>15964390
>random ula mousepad i got from one of their stands at a convention is totally proof that i work at ula
fuck off

"That's one small step for Chan. One giant leap for Chankind."

The other guys just won the social media Space race:

> More than 150 mementos are flying in the Peregrine Mission One (PM1) DHL MoonBox containg individual MoonPods. Reddit user Adam Brodin filled his MoonPod with the best replies to his post on the website about what to send to the moon. Dogecoin, a digital currency themed around a meme that first went viral on Reddit, is sending a physical coin that was underwritten by its fans.

>>15964396
you think a dogecoin punctured the tanks??

>>15964399
Do you want me to post my badge? Eat a dick

>>15964387
sure bro

>>15964317
uhhh

>>15964317
Better to crash this thing than Alpaca-chan.

>>15964325
yes

>>15964403
A simple timestamp on a mouse pad would do.

>>15964403
>doesnt actually post it in response
KEEEEEEEK KNEW HE WAS FAKE ITS SO EASY

>>15964390
Galileo or Einstein? Vulcan MD or Upgrades?

>>15964354
lmaooo

>>15964225
Ashes of the deceased count as a dead payload.

>>15964354
you could repurpose "russia strong" for this

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1744352879601717592

It seems like there's no paper at ULA.

>>15964415
Einstein, MD is upgrades.

are any of yall going to the astra awards? hosted irl show by tim dodd everyday astronaut?

The current state of caucaso-mongoloid spaceflight
>Russian lunar probe: crashed
>Japanese lunar probe: freefallen
>Murican lunar probe: not even reaching the moon

Meanwhile India succeeded on a budget without redeeming.

>>15964413
Yeah because posting a time stamp on the mousepad I got from the tech show means something

>>15964431
its called Chandelier 3 for a reason

>>15964403
Fake ass twat

>>15964433
Then take a selfie and post it here.

>>15964429
>software
Nerd.

>>15964436
Be jealous bitch my rocket worked perfectly

>>15964433
post your anime folder

>newfags dont know about ULAnon
cringe

>>15964441
>rocket worked perfectly
>shook the payload to death

Choose one

Stop larping as ULA employees, it's cringe

In other news, hypersonic space plane startup Venus Aerospace tested a rotating detonation engine

https://x.com/venusaerospace/status/1744447645215572099?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

Navajo codewalkers killed the lander
Ghost of the ancestors

>>15964448
I saved all the Vulcan girl pictures I could

>>15964450
Cope harder

>>15964451
Trust me if I was going to larp it'd be as someone else. You faggots hate us

>>15964457
>Cope harder
I'm not the one coping, the poor moon lander team is.

>>15964457
Do you even know the history of ULA?

>>15964457
Yeah you and that astra nigger tooootallly work at your companies and definetly arent trying to fake it as hard as possible for attention on /sfg/.
>Look you guys hate these companies I definetly work at that means Im not lying!
Youre such a transparent liar.

>>15964295
Former Astrobotic employee here. Feeling a little wistful that my shit isn’t going to the moon but I’m not 100% surprised. It’s a pretty small company, and the only thing they’ve made that’s actually gone to space is a tiny drone on the ISS.
Fingers crossed that the theory about this being Dynetics fuckup is correct

We need TND (total namefag death)

>>15964476
Take your meds, schizo

>>15964475
>another free convention knick knack for proof
lol this shit doesnt work stop pretending to be an actual engineer fat basement dweller

>>15964470
Why do you find it so hard to believe that I work at ULA? Its a weird thing for you to be so butthurt about

>>15964480
>NOOOO STOP CALLING ME OUT FOR FAKING SHIT BECAUSE.... YOU JUST CANT OKAY!?!
You still have yet to post actual proof nigger. Lets see that badge

>>15964475
post your old role and your favorite conference room

>>15964480
just stop taking the bait man this general is full of retarded spacex kiddies

>>15964476
do you uhhh…. know what a namefag is?

Would you ride on a Vulcan?

What is wrong with this place?

I dont work for space
AMA

It seems like in 2023 NASA can't even build a pressure vessel that doesn't fucking explode. LOL...

>>15964488
everything

>>15964486
I consider it any recognizable form of posting on an anonymous, especially if it revolves around a noun i.e. 'astranon' or just a name like 'b*rkun' or 'anon that works at ULA' so yes he is a namefag and he needs to be thrown out the airlock

This didn't age well!

>>15964487
if they stuck a dragon capsule on it, sure. not in a starliner or dream chaser

>>15964497
Stop posting this awful wojak

>>15964475
>>15964479
>>15964484
Not gonna jeopardize my career by posting proof, believe whatever you want. Is it really hard to believe a couple of us would be lurking here? Most of the employees at new space companies are millennials, and for all it’s faults this place is a really good aggregator for breaking news

>>15964497
>RDT
kys

I missed this whole or deal. I have 2 questions:
1) What is the significance of Vulcan launching (other than it finally fucking happening).
2) What was the payload?

>>15964502
Yes it fucking is show proof or youre a lying bastard and should never bring this up again.

>>15964497
Kek
SpaceX stans BTFO by ULA Chads

>>15964311
在干嘛?

>>15964506
>What is the significance of Vulcan launching
Shows that the BE-4s work and that's about it. Prepare for BO buying up ULA in the future probably.

>>15964502
Nobody is asking you to break ITAR, lol

>>15964502
Why don't you go fuck off any play engineer somewhere else?

>>15964484
>favorite conference room
enceladus was comfy

>>15964502
no i do believe you and work at Astrobotic and am trying to find out who you are (i have a hunch, software man)

>>15964517
based enchilada respecter

>>15964347
There are probably many employed engineers but significantly fewer actually in aerospace

>>15964502
>Most of the employees at new space companies are idiots
that was already self evident based on your results, but thanks for admitting it. Whats your schedule for paying back the billions you're wasting through your incompetence?

By my count there's 2 ULA engineers and 2-3 current/ex- Astrobiotic employees.

The Astrobiotic employees are more impressive, considering there's only ~260 of you.

>>15964502
C'mon man it's just a career, it's gonna be worth the (you)s you'll get

>>15964521
>>15964517
>samefagging replies too
I can notice these messages type the exact same. Get your samefagging game up lil bro

Can someone give me a QRD on why the last thread had so many replies?

Jessie posts her revealing pics on instagram and you're afraid?

>>15964525
Kek, tempting

>>15964528
Something happened in space.

>>15964528
Vulcan maiden launch that was literally it

>>15964527
i want to strangle you

>>15964528
Starship got Btfo by Vulcan and all the underage posters were seething about it

>>15964536
>Starship got Btfo by Vulcan
How exactly?

>>15964537
By destroying its payload.

another prediction of mine comes to fruition, I said at the beginning of 2023 that Vulcain will not launch in 2023 and it did not.

15964537
By working

>>15964527
4chan is one person
>>15964528
Something big happened shortly after we hit bump limit so we got all the bump limit posts plus all the happening posts

>>15964541
Kek

Does someone know a site where I can bet on rocket launches?

>>15964536
you're right, starship isn't as good at shaking it's payload to death. vulcan wins.

>>15964541
Starship is far superior to Vulcan at destroying payloads, I will concede that W

>>15964535
What is inspect element? Wouldve been more believable if you phonefagged

>>15964550
you didn't read his post right, vulcan is the one that destroyed it's payload, starship hasn't held any payloads yet because spacex is responsible enough to only launch payloads when they're sure their rocket won't shake it to death, unlike ULA.

>>15964550
I read that Vulcan also destroyed its pad.

>>15964537
because glowniggers have to send hired shills to promote their mediocrities as worthwhile, otherwise everyone would be pointing out how worthless and lame the glowniggers mediocrities are

she's so pretty
she's so popular

>>15964537
see this meme >>15964497

>>15964559
Bad design, should be wearing a skirt.

>>15964559
YWNBAW

>>15964559
stalin was popular too, he was still a fucking commie.
and look, she's wearing red too, probably shook that little lander to death on purpose to spite capitalism.

>>15964563
IWABAM

>>15964559
Why dont artists start a patreon and include naked versions of these girls

>>15964317
Should've contracted the Russian priest to counter the Injun heya-heya shamans.

What's the similarity between a pitbull and a Vulcan rocket?

>>15964559
Too bad she delivers parcels like a parkinson patient on speed.

>>15964560
the meme that aged like milk because vulcan destroyed it's payload?

>>15964562
She’s sporty and tomboyish. she needs the shorts for activities

>>15964568

>>15964553
Go back

>>15964568
they both shake things to death?

>>15964550
Payloads on IFT-1: 0
Payloads on IFT-2: 0
Payloads on Vulcan Cert-1: 1 primary payload, 1 secondary payload, 20 secondary payloads on the primary payloads and if you start dicing that up (some of those secondary payloads on Peregrine had multiple daughter payloads as well) you are north of 22 payloads

Vulcan 22 - Starship 0

I'm hearing on L2/X that Vulcan pogo oscillations and fluid hammer caused the damage to the payload. What do you guys think?

>>15964565
Yes you will, fat nigger troon

would peregrine fair better under her?

>>15964573
i already came back, where do you want me to go next?

>>15964576
Vulcan is more comparable to Falcon 9 than Starship.

>>15964556
>Everything I don't like is inorganic glowshills
>>15964562
We informally refer to the engine heat shield as "the shorts" so that's on brand at least

>>15964568
both should be put down permanently

>>15964579
A troon artist would have a western tumbler artstyle doe and she would be black and fat

>>15964576
payload success rate:
starship: 0 attempts, 0 failures
vulcan: 22 attempts, 22 failures
starship success rate: 0
vulcan success rate: -22

Vulcan CERT-1
Falcon 9 Zuma
Which was more successful?

So is there any actual proof that the lander was damaged by Vulcan or is this all just antagonistic shit posting

>>15964585
I'm not the one that brought up Starship

>>15964591
no proof, just muskrats seething as usual

The first mission of Falcon 9 was a full success, including the Dragon.

>>15964580
If youre gonna spam rocket girls, can you stop spamming the same 3 or 4? There are 100s to choose from

>>15964597
My collection is limited.

>>15964595
>he's still seething that his favourite pork rocket is as stable as a jackhammer
idk what to tell you anon, starship hasn't destroyed any payloads, vulcan destroyed its very first one.

>>15964590
>The Wall Street Journal reported that the design was very sensitive to vibration and sudden shocks, and had a development cost approaching US$3.5 billion.
> The fate of the spacecraft is not publicly known.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuma_(satellite)

>>15964597
I only have the ones from sbarky
If i type rocket girls on google, all i get is some Chinese idol group
>>15964600
if star, then only ship! :fire:

>>15964596
>The rocket & payload designed by the same company functioned better than the payload designed by (((literal whos)))
Suplising

>>15964602
> an unnamed government official said that it had re-entered the atmosphere over the Indian Ocean,[10][22] possibly due to a failure in the payload adapter provided by Northrop Grumman in detaching from the second stage.

oh, old space at it again I see

Boing strikes back
>United has found loose bolts and other parts on 737 Max 9 plug doors as it inspects its fleet of Boeing jets following the rapid depressurization aboard an Alaska jet, according to three people familiar with the findings.
https://theaircurrent.com/feed/dispatches/united-finds-loose-bolts-on-plug-doors-during-737-max-9-inspections/

They warned us bro.

They are right you know? Now someone is in space forever his soul to wander the total emptiness void.

>>15964577
Pretty sure that will destroy your engines too if it's that severe

>>15964604
In 2010 SpaceX was literally who.

>>15964607
OLDSPACESISTERS, HOW DO WE KEEP LOSING?

>>15964608
If successful, the commercial mission scheduled to launch Monday — dubbed Peregrine Mission One — will be the first time an American-made spacecraft has landed on the lunar surface since the end of the Apollo program in 1972. But Navajo Nation President Buu Nygren said that allowing the remains to touch down there would be an affront to many indigenous cultures, which revere the moon.

“The moon holds a sacred place in Navajo cosmology,” Nygren said in a Thursday statement. “The suggestion of transforming it into a resting place for human remains is deeply disturbing and unacceptable to our people and many other tribal nations.”

>>15964611
And had way more to the lose than the company given a free pass by NASA to "take shots on goal"

>>15964607
What the is going on with this company?

>>15964607
How the fuck do you fail to torq bolts to their spec?

>>15964620
Ask the DEI department.

>>15964618
Diversity.

>>15964618
Corporate greed

This thing was cursed never involved human remains!!

Two different companies, Celestis and Elysium Space, are launching space memorial missions on board Peregrine. That includes DNA from legendary science fiction author Arthur C. Clarke, as well as the trace cremated ashes of the creator of Star Trek, Gene Roddenberry, and several members of the cast, including Nichelle Nichols, best known for her role as Lieutenant Nyota Uhura. The mission will also endearingly include longtime Star Trek fan Gloria Knowlan, a mother of eight from Vancouver who died 12 years ago, and whose family wanted pay tribute by including her remains on the flight. Hair containing DNA samples that are believed to be from George Washington, Dwight Eisenhower, and John F. Kennedy will also be on the flight.

The Moon burial starts at $12,500 for Celestis, while Elysium Space’s lunar memorial service costs $11,950.

no refunds

>>15964608
>>15964613
the whiplash these retards will feel when they are relieved of this affront to their retarded, primitive culture only to have people drawing dicks on the lunar surface with rovers in the future is going to be delicious.
if space travel get cheap enough that i can someday go to the moon, even if i'm on my deathbed, i will personally steal one of these navajo relative's bodies from a morgue, take it to the moon, burn it up, then throw it on the surface and piss on the ashes, videotape all of it and then send it to every navajo connected to the internet.
the moon belongs to the white man, fags.

>>15964536

>BTFO
>none reusable

Huh?

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/daily-telescope-the-wizard-nebula-captured-above-germany/

>>15964630
you bring up a good point
starship:
destroys itself, doesn't have payload
vulcan:
destroys itself, also destroys payload

Update

https://x.com/astrobotic/status/1744467156366991843?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

> (1/4) We’ve received the first image from Peregrine in space! The camera utilized is mounted atop a payload deck and shows Multi-Layer Insulation (MLI) in the foreground.

> (2/4)The disturbance of the MLI is the first visual clue that aligns with our telemetry data pointing to a propulsion system anomaly.

> (3/4) Nonetheless, the spacecraft’s battery is now fully charged, and we are using Peregrine’s existing power to perform as many payload and spacecraft operations as possible.

> (4/4) At this time, the majority of our Peregrine mission team has been awake and working diligently for more than 24 hours. We ask for your patience as we reassess incoming data so we can provide ongoing updates later this evening.

>>15964638
Is it supposed to look like that all bent up?

>>15964638
lol they made a bunch of separate posts

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/ulas-vulcan-rocket-shot-for-the-moon-on-debut-launch-and-hit-a-bullseye/

I wasn't too far off. Depending on the trajectory there's still a possibility it could crash into the moon at some point. Regardless this is still a win for Vulcan even if the payload was fucked up.

So AB confirmed it was a prop anomaly that caused their issue? Or was there leakage reported in telemetry prior to them doing whatever they did

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/astrobotic-says-there-has-been-an-anomaly-with-its-lunar-lander/

>>15964627
no the moon belongs to asians

China has won...

>>15964650
the anomaly was caused by excess vibration inside the payload fairing.

This really feels like the “end” of Delta and Atlas :(

>>15964403
Do it. No balls

>>15964403
if you could've you would've done it already, this is a bluff and you're a nigger.

https://www.astrobotic.com/lunar-delivery/manifest/

>>15964661
no it belongs to white people, everything does.

>>15964691
Not anymore

>>15964694
You can have it when you land bugmen on it

>>15964687
>>15964685
Seethe more

https://twitter.com/ThePrimalDino/status/1744454886551441867

>>15964701

>>15964701
Whats the approximate cost of those two Space Dildos?

>>15964706

>>15964701
So what other rockets can successfully launch before starship makes orbit? I'd say Ariane 6 but even I know that won't happen

>>15964710

>>15964714

>>15964717

>>15964719
what is the ranking of these best to worst?
assuming they will reach orbit

If anything, Japan lost today.
a) H3 was just proven to be a POS junkie rocket
b) Japan lost yet another payload headed for the lunar surface. This is like 8 times in a row now kek

>>15964721

>>15964640
It's mylar sheet.

>>15964724
SLS
Vulcan
Starship
New Glenn
Ariane 6
H3
Neutron
Terran R

>>15964727
>The disturbance of the MLI is the first visual clue
>It's mylar
You are a nigger

>>15964729
Oh I'm sorry, a fucking blanket wrapped in mylar then.

>>15964709
2.1 billion?
SLS is basically more expensive than all the other rockets on >>15964728 combined

>>15964730
Hint: it's not supposed to fucking look like that

>>15964731
The only current configuration of SLS costs 4.2 billion

>>15964732
Yeah well rockets aren't supposed to shake payloads like beaten babies either.
It's still a blanket wrapped with mylar, or "Multi-Layer Insulation" if you want to go full AeroSpace Grade(tm) retard.

>>15964712
Starship could launch before the end of January and reach orbit
New Glenn is aiming to launch sometime in the first half of this year, H3 is in february I think, Ariane 6 in June or something
Neutron who knows, doesn't seem to be anywhere near launching, haven't even tested the engines yet
Terran R might launch before end of year?

>>15964599
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>>15964638
https://twitter.com/astrobotic/status/1744469638640005538

>>15964735
The Anon originally quoted asked if it should look like that. It should not. Your assertions that it is mylar imply you intended to tell the Anon that mylar folds and should look like that, implying they were somehow lacking in observation or knowledge.
We both know that's about how things went.
The implications we both left out are that photo shows physical damage of the lander -- with the 2nd stage still in view. This means the damage happened either before separation, or somehow during separation.
BO engines beat the payload to death, your only correct observation.

>>15964735
>PLF failed to vent properly and peregrine experience sudden rapid decompression when the PLF separated
I'm calling it now, this is what fucked their prop system

>>15964747
I'm not mylar-anon (he is a retard) but no part of the image they showed has Centaur or any part of the 2nd stage in it.

Peregrine wasn't even powered on until after separation, so it wouldn't have been able to take a picture.

So no - that doesn't prove Vulcan did anything.

I wanna drink coffee on a Moon base and look at Earth

>>15964757
what kind of coffee

>>15964721
Constellation launch: Vulcan>A6>H3
Comsat launches: Vulcan=A6>H3
Medium launches: H3>A6=Vulcan

>>15964453
>4 minute test
Cool

>>15964762
any that doesn't taste like shit. also wanna have a fucking smoke with the coffee. that should be fine.

>>15964770
We need smoking rooms in space, fuck the danger

>>15964757
I wanna shit a house out my colon and scream

>>15964330
Astrobotic is part of National Team's architecture so Blorp has no reason to kill them.

>>15964774
when the colony is large enough and oxygen or scrubbers aren't a scarce commodity anymore

cmon is that so fucking complicated, having a fucking smokeroom on the Moon? kek

>>15964780
Astropussies don’t even bring alcohol to orbit these days

>>15964453
Cool. We need more rotating detonation engines.

>>15964762
>>15964757
Is coffee good for you?

I'm still skeptical of the announced 25 Vulcan launches a year goal, I know they say that it'll be faster with one production line but the sum of peak AV and DIV launches in a year is 13 rockets - or 15 cores. They may eventually break in the 20s of launches a year sometime down the line, but biweekly Vulcan launches?

(Note that I also share this skepticism with Ariane 6's announced 10-12 launch rate; I only believe in H3's 6 launches per year goal because it's frankly modest and already achieved by HIIA)

>>15964646
> Then there are Celestis and Elysium Space. These two companies gathered human ashes from families paying to send the remains of their loved ones for an eternal stay on the lunar surface. Celestis says it has the cremated remains or DNA of 66 people onboard Astrobotic's lander. This is a separate set of remains from those that remained attached to the Centaur upper stage heading into interplanetary space.
so where are the ashes going to end up now? assuming Peregrine has no propellant etc left now
some elliptic sun orbit?

>>15964325
>>15964334
i worked this program last year (the appendix P proposal). the mass story was excellent actually, but what was in the proposal sucked and if i could have improved it i would have.

that said, jeffy won because he paid 3.5BB for the award, not because he had a better mass story

>>15964787
Its “risks” are pretty well-balanced with its benefits, as opposed to something like tobacco

>>15964784
smoking a spliff and having coffee while looking at the Earth from the Moon is one of the most human things we can do. we have to accommodate for it. for spiritual/religious reasons or some shit

>>15964755
ok then whats this? because in my next post i will show you the camera that took this photo and its orientation and show you how it cant be a lander leg

FYI: this bread is 50% ULA insiders

>>15964802
Congratulations on the successful failure

>>15964755
>>15964800
Here you see the camera that took the photo, including the red logo, sideways. This camera cannot view the legs from this orientation as they're blocked from view. You can also see the large struts that occlude some of the view.
So if it's not the centaur what is it?

>>15964805
We did our part, nobody can fix boing but boing

>>15964683
It pretty much is. All the remaining launches are booked and there's now no reason to restart production.

>>15964755
>>15964808
Unless you're saying Vulcan broke the fucking legs off the lander because that's the only way you see them from that camera

>>15964712
Love the goalpost moving people did during the SLS delays.
>SLS will beat F9 FT
>SLS will beat FH
>uhhh... SLS beat startship! We win!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ptPdlVAwFg

>SLS
Don't need
Vulcan triple core + SRBs can do the job

>>15964814
I love that image

>>15964816
The staging events would be amazing on this thing. Shit flying out in every direction

How to achieve asparagus staging?

>>15964813
>Vulcan broke the fucking legs off the lander

I mean... Maybe

>>15964638
Holy shit it's mangled to hell

>>15964822
Oh fuck I think I see what happened.
>Astrobotic designs crush core legs capable of handling Earth gravity or lunar descent partial lithobraking
>Astrobotic does not retest the legs against peak launch acceleration
>SNAP
>legs pull propulsion out of place
>valve stuck

>>15964826
>The disturbance of the MLI is the first visual clue
For context, what was it SUPPOSED to look like at this phase of flight?

Every other CLPS mission is riding on Falcon 9/H
Let that sink in

>>15964835
So it confirms: Vulcan is at fault 100%. WOW

>>15964836
See
>>15964808
Flatter and contour hugging. No atmosphere to wrinkle it. No engines running to wrinkle it.

>>15964816
Is this even feasible

>>15964808
Do you understand how the lander is positioned on Centaur? You literally cannot see centaur from where that camera is pointing. The images you're posting literally show how wrong you are
>>15964813
The legs "deploy" after it separates from Centaur

>>15964835
the legs arent carrying the load dumbass, the fuselage is clearly bolted down

>>15964844
You're saying the legs "deploy" up into view of the camera.
Up
Away from their needed direction where they already were situated.
Your skin is darker than the blackest night in the south Atlantic.
You immense fucking moron.
Gorilla ape shitskin idiot.

Those are blatant lies. Vulcan did its job perfectly.

>>15964800
>>15964808
So where is the big piece of centaur that you're allegeding the camera can see? Because it's not on any of the encapsulation photos.

See >>15964751
&
>>15964660

Pseudo-related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqZ0wvIr3hQ

>>15964788
Michoud was originally planned to crank out thirty Delta IV cores per year. None of the EELVs came close to their original estimated flight rates because of the late 90s constellation failures. Kuiper doesn't seem ready to die yet so Vulcan might have enough payloads for that many launches. The real limiting factor is going to be how quickly Blue can produce BE-4s.

Ariane 6's rate is a lot more reasonable. 11/year is the peak cadence of the Ariane 5 (7) plus the peak cadence of the Soyuz-ST (4). Normally I'd say they don't have a chance of reaching that with Falcon 9 dominating the market, but they've built up a pretty impressive backlog of payloads.

H3 is the easiest success out of all of the new vehicles since it's only real goals are "be domestic so the JSDF can launch its own payloads," and "cost half what the H-2A did."

Seems most likely that Astrobiotic didn't test their spacecraft adequately to the environments it would encounter. Not even margin against predictions or poor testing/analysis methodology

And if anything - it would be a shock even that would cause structural issues like this, not vibe. Possibly the PLF separation system

what happened

Why don't you guys just wait a few days or a few weeks before trying to make a final conclusion on the failure?

How the fuck are we already about to pass bump limit I posted this thread only 3 hours ago. THE VULCAN LAUNCH IS OVER GO HOME TOURISTS

>>15964457
I don't hate you, I just think you're fighting the last war
flying a rocket designed to compete with nonreusable Falcon 9 in anno Domini 2024 is kind of a faux pas
banking on Congress trying to support the SRB industry or whatever to keep up their competency is a losing bet as the Minuteman fleet is edging closer to retirement

>>15964880
It turns out that a lunar lander was a bigger technical risk than a new upper stage or unflown main engines.

>>15964753
> >PLF failed to vent properly and peregrine experience sudden rapid decompression when the PLF separated
What is PLF?

>>15964882
>Why don't you guys just wait
NO

>>15964889
is something going to replace SRB based missiles?

>>15964893
is main mission still possible or is it fucked?

>>15964867
God you remind me of the late 90s launch predictions.

>>15964900
fubar

>>15964900
It's probably fucked. They had a propulsion anomaly.

>>15964900
Depends on what you mean by main mission, its in space which is technically half of the job done already.

>>15964867
>H3 is the easiest success out of all of the new vehicles

Except -- it doesn't actually work. That could be a problem.

>>15964900
>what alternative mission profile may be feasible
landing is fucked.

>>15964889
So, it turns out that they're going to replace the Minuteman with something called the LGM-35 Sentinel, and would you guess what kind of rocket it is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30_Minuteman
>The Minuteman III will be progressively replaced by the new Ground Based Strategic Deterrent (GBSD) ICBM, to be built by Northrop Grumman,[13] beginning in 2030.[14]

interesting, LGM-35 is a SRB too somewhat unsurprisingly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-35_Sentinel

>>15964906
It's a bit weird to declare a rocket nonfunctional after one failure on its first launch. The part that didn't work last year was the upper stage which was imported over stock from the H-2A. Everything new worked just fine.

>>15964915
>It's a bit weird to declare a rocket nonfunctional just because it didn't function.

>>15964907
>what alternative mission profile may be feasible
Depending on how fucked the propellant system is, it might be possible to crash it into the surface

>>15964889
You realize that the engineers who work for these companies aren't the ones who decide what direction the entire company goes? And that decisions on something like a rocket's basic architecture are made so many levels above my hand that there's nothing I can do about it?

Vulcan is a fine rocket with a targeted mission set that SX has to expend a FH to accomplish. That positions ULA well in the market for at least the next decade. It's a poor vehicle for Kuiper launches, but "not being SpaceX" seems to have a value all its own. You should ask SX why that is (hint: hyperaggressive capitalism).

I work on the Reuse - I like the program and see it making bigger strides faster than anything else ULA is doing because we're allowed more off the leash than anyone else has before. But even with that - making the rocket even semi reusable has huge compromises to mission performance (mostly inclination & trajectory - you're limited on how fast the reuse part can re-enter the atmosphere). I think F9's architecture has advantages, but I'm also not a faggot who pretends that F9 and SS are the best do-all rockets ever made. They aren't. They're good at putting things in LEO - SS especially will dunk on any other constellation provider. But they're both trash at the sorts of orbits that Vulcan was meant to dominate in. Explaining away SS's inability to do anything outside LEO without refueling is just cope for a rocket that was designed to do one thing well - put 100 tons in LEO.

>>15964914
>somewhat unsurprisingly
No shit. Easy to store, low maintenance, fairly long shelf life, no toxic/corrosive fluids that eat through parts or storage.

>>15964920
ram that corpse dust deep moons ass

>>15964894
Payload fairing

>>15964920
why not use it as a wifi router instead of crash it

>>15964907
they could run the mission as planned until they run out of fuel to find what other weaknesses they would have had down the line

>>15964898
Laser Anti missile systems will generally lower the volume of missiles most probably, they'll still be used, but more situationaly.

>>15964914
>>15964922
solids are the only option for the reaction times a nuclear exchange requires

>>15964921
without refueling? but the point is to refuel it, so taking it out of the conversation is pointless
what matters is cost in the end, is the customer going to care SS had to refuel before moving on if it costs 1/10 as much?

>>15964933
>what are temperature room hypergolics
They're just harder to stock for longer durations.

>>15964548
your local pub
>>15964591
pretty blatant shitposting, you can tell because they're trying to blame vibrations on a liquid rocket engine instead of SRBs or something
>>15964640
yeah bro that's MLI, it always looks like shit
although Astrobotic twitter seems to be claiming it's not supposed to look that shit, so what do I know
>>15964791
very interesting thanks
>>15964898
>>15964909
yeah, new SRBs, why the fuck would Congress pay ULA to pay Morton Thiokol for SRBs when they could just pay Morton Thiokol for them straight
Sentinel Program or whatever, I haven't been keeping up because milproc is really boring
>>15964921
the engineers who work for these companies choose who to work for and what to work on
if you had any integrity you would tell your boss to get stuffed and go design coffee mugs or 3d printed machine guns

>>15964921
SpaceX has already launched more rockets in the first week of 2024 than ULA did in all of 2023.

Bezos also already cucked and ordered Kuiper launches on SpaceX rocketd.

>>15964939
>please give me 30 minutes to fuel my missiles before nuking me

>>15964921
>SpaceX hyperaggressive capitalism is bad
read: we give our congresscritters buttbuddy bux as a reacharound while we fuck them
being more corrupt and communist than your competitors is not a good thing

>>15964938
No - if it stays in LEO, it doesn't get refuelled.

If it has to go anywhere but LEO, it has to be refuelled.

"Cost" is always the quoted factor, but considering that again and again Elon's promises about $/kg don't materialize, I'd prefer to use actual facts. And actual facts are that SX quoted almost the same price as ULA for the NSSL phase 2 missions.

And that's still entirely ignoring performance or operations problems like launch slots - if SX is spending all their time launching Starlinks they don't want to give you a slot.

>>15964927
See
>>15964923

>>15964882
I work for Astrobotic and I'm cracking up at how far off some of these stupid fucking armchair engineers are. Keep the guesses coming retards

>>15964941
>>15964940
So glad that you retards came back after I started posting again. This thread was quiet for a while.

>>15964944
it adds 3 minutes tops to retaliation

>>15964295
Peregrine and the US Government spit in the face of the Dineh People and against their wishes and against the promises of the white man they launched human remains to land on the moon, a sacred place to the Dineh People.....They fucked around and now they've found out.

This should be a lesson to you white devils...but you never learn.

>>15964955
Fuck you we'll do it again next month, get fucked.

>>15964927
> why not use it as a wifi router instead of crash it
The Terrain Relative Navigation payload on the perigrine was designed to test out autonomous landing capability for future missions.
There are also a lot of other scientific payloads that were designed to operate during landing rather than on the surface of the moon, so potentially you get a lot of good data on the ride down.
Hilariously, the lander actually included WiFi capability for the cuberover payload, so you are correct that you can use it as a WiFi router, but that probably wouldn’t be very useful in a translunar orbit

>>15964946
they are the same price because that is what the military is willing to pay, has nothing to do with cost to SpaceX
this is some turbo cope man, you seriously think Vulcan will be able to compete with Starship? lmao

>>15964953
>3 minutes to fuel an ICBM

lol, lmao

>>15964945
Your schizo post is hard to read - what point are you trying to make? Because mine was that SpaceX is implementing anticompetitive practices to avoid enabling any real competitors for Starlink. Hence their attempt to strongarm other satellite companies to give up frequency & bandwidth allocations to Starlink for a SpaceX launch. Guess what? They decided to launch on Vulcan instead.

> The spacecraft is encapsulated in a 5.4-m- (17.7-ft-) diameter payload fairing (PLF), a sandwich composite structure made with a vented aluminum-honeycomb core and graphite-epoxy face sheets. The bisector (two-piece shell) PLF encapsulates the spacecraft. The payload attach fitting (PAF) is a similar sandwich composite structure creating the mating interface from spacecraft to second stage and payload fairing. The PLF separates using a debris-free horizontal and vertical separation system with spring packs and frangible joint assembly and immediately destroys your payload.

> Oppsi daisy!

>>15964955
It's just more proof that we were too lenient on the tribes the first time around. I curse your casinos with IRS.

>>15964944
you can leave kerosene/peroxide rockets fueled in their silos for months, aerozine/NTO rockets for years, and SRBs for decades
you could probably keep peroxide rockets for a similar duration to the SRBs if you condition or refresh the peroxide somehow but it's REALLY not worth the trouble if you're not going to be moving them out of their silos ever

>>15964955
Someone's in the kitchen with Dineh
Someone in the kitchen I knooooow

>>15964955
Total Chugger Death

>>15964953
3 minutes is fucking unacceptable for nuclear exchanges. You got to go practically instantly.

>>15964963
> Hence their attempt to strongarm other satellite companies to give up frequency & bandwidth allocations to Starlink for a SpaceX launch.
this is getting more and more unhinged, do they add LSD in the water at ULA?

>>15964963
do you have proofs that SpaceX are engaging in monopolistic and anticompetitive practices like that? you should go to congress and the DoJ with that shit, see if you can get the trust-busting machinery working again
shit would be fucking kino, let's collapse the tech sector

>>15964959
If SpaceX was so price completive why did ULA get more launches? Cope harder & I'll believe that your imaginary rocket can do anything but deploy Starlinks when it stops washing up all over the south texas shoreline

https://techcrunch.com/2024/01/08/regulatory-filing-reveals-abl-space-systems-targeting-100m-in-new-funding/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS9zZWFyY2g_c2NhX2Vzdj01OTY2OTIzNDEmcmx6PTFDOUJLSkFfZW5VUzEwMzdVUzEwMzcmaGw9ZW4tVVMmc3hzcmY9QU05SGtLbnlhOElKd0UtR0hVckpyWU9OTFlpb1N6TkdSQSUzQTE3MDQ3NTU0MDIyOTImcT1hYmwrc3BhY2UmdGJtPW53cyZzb3VyY2U9bG5tcyZwcm1kPWludnNtYmh0eiZzYT1YJnZlZD0yYWhVS0V3aUx3YnJoOU02REF4V1dNVmtGSGZ3S0Fkb1EwcFFKZWdRSURoQUImYml3PTgzNCZiaWg9MTA3NSZkcHI9Mg&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAC73Up5suDMZUqqYu2BoC16Vmn1OuInTOkUeTp0wiqvp-HedT-6GNlRIxM8RKeEykCgYM0R7D1twGXtbfbA0SVn7P-RCcffrAo6M7ui6274TzOELUOhDEAWU_8XHcosXLB6fMxI0M97S3LxFW1v6yjYO6n8abm7e6Z6oe528Ve22


ABL looking for monies

>>15964946
>SX quoted almost the same price as ULA for the NSSL phase 2 missions

Why would SpaceX give up literal millions in profit when the USSF isn't awarding launches based on price?

>>15964950
>I work for Astrobotic and I'm cracking up at how far off some of these stupid fucking armchair engineers are. Keep the guesses coming retards
Just tell us is it an Astrobotic fuckup or a ULA fuckup?

>>15964921
>I'm also not a faggot who pretends that F9 and SS are the best do-all rockets ever made. They aren't.
well you're retarded then

>>15964963
anticompetitive practices such as launching multiple competitors sats

>>15964971
What part of this unhinged? The statement that a company owned & operated by one of the most insane CEOs on the planet, who is famously hyper libertarian, would.resprt to drastic anticompetitive actions to avoid enabling his competition?

You shills really are stupid

>>15964973
Starship has nothing do with Kuiper launches lmao
and in fact Amazon did order a couple of launches from SpaceX
why didn't they get more? because they see SpaceX as a competitor and in general it seems like Bezos has been seething towards Musk for a long while now, not getting into orbit and all

>>15964958
so like it can't get in lunar orbit even?

ULA, moments before completely destroying Peregrine's propellant system with their payload deploy mechanism:

I honestly believe musk doesn't see big enough with Starship production rate for mars colonisation

737 production rate is an ordah of magnitude too lowe at least

>>15964972
It happened outside the US so the DOJ doesn't care.

And no, I am not going to post contract negotiations on 4chan

>>15964985
you are insane
SpaceX has never done anything anti-competitive, you having EDS does not matter

>>15964973
>If SpaceX was so price completive why did ULA get more launches?
Non-market factors (bribes, choosing to prop up an uncompetitive second source, butt hurt about Elon's personal politics).

>>15964796
>meme non-appreciator
it's ogre

>>15964973
>why did ULA get more launches?

Because there were an odd number of launches.

>>15964976
I will tell you... as soon as the appropriate public press release has been posted

>>15964986
Nothing about Kuiper in my post

For someone who spends all their time on 4chan, I'm surprised you can't read.

>>15964985
your EDS is showing, anon
>>15964991
he'll be fine as long as he gets the failure rate down, the biggest limit is going to be bureaucracy anyway
will the FAA even let him launch and reenter that often? They basically refuse to license reentries without human lives on the line (stuck in space)
>>15964993
based, keep your infosec and opsec tight

>>15964993
sure buddy, DOJ doesn't care as they simultaneously go after Musk for stuff on par with using two different colored socks

>>15964995
>SpaceX has never done anything anti-competitive
Lol, lmao even
>>15964996
>Everything I don't rin was rigged/a bribe/ we didn't want it anyways

>>15964800
Why would Jeff Bezos do something like this?

And thus the snake continues to slither.

>>15964996
ULA had some advantages like a more proven vertical integration system (their incumbent bonus, basically)

>>15964699
don't have to, you're already doing it.

>>15965007
SpaceX had to literally sue to have the chance of competing

>>15964985
>one of the most insane CEOs on the planet
So you're one of THOSE.

>>15965000
can you post a unique identifying code from the unreleased prepackaged press release just to flex on us

>>15964983
>Monopolistic behavior is good when Elon does it
>Why am I paying $600/mo for Starlink internet

>>15965020
fear of losing ones job translated into visceral hatred of the CEO of the company undermining your company's existence

>>15965000
>t. cringe larper

>>15965024
who the fuck gets charged that much for Starlink? it's just martime, right? that's significantly below market price there

>>15965024
its cheaper than the competing GEO offerings retard
usually significantly cheaper

>>15965000
>I will tell you... as soon as the appropriate public press release has been posted
Assuming you actually work for them & you’re not a filthy liar, the fact that you’re on here gloating rather than preparing your resume makes me think it’s not an Astrobotic fuckup

>>15964996
There's also the fact that ULA had vertical integration for the Vulcan right out of the gate. SpaceX would have had to build a big mobile integration building at LC-39A if they wanted to do the same.

>>15965016
In 2015? For NSSL Phase 1? Yes

When was NSSL Phase 2? 2022? When SpaceX was an order of magnitude larger than ULA and launching more rockets than ever before? And they still can't beat ULA on price? Wild

>>15965020
I don't care what side of the fence you sit, Elon is objectively a crazy person. Having a 4chan personality in the real world is not normal.

>>15965031
or maybe corporate planned for at least one or two fuckups worth of runway
space is hard afterall

>>15965038
they can, but they don't need to in this case
it would just be leaving money on the table

>>15965030
And I'm sure it'll stay that way once they're all run out of business and Starlink has crushed the terrestrial offerings

>SpaceX is being anti competetive/ monopolistic

Can I see an example?

>...no

>>15965027
I hope he gets the help he needs or dies
>>15965038
Fuck outta here fag

>>15965040
SpaceX basically already did that with launches and they haven't increased the prices monopolistically
arguing from something you imagine might happen does not make it true, it just shows your massive bias

>>15965038
>And they still can't beat ULA on price?

I wasn't aware ULA was awarded all 21 Phase 2 launches.

>>15965041
So then they're motivated by profit, like every other company on the face of the earth, and their $/kg doesn't matter because at the end of the day all they're going to do is just barely beat the next offering?

>>15965045
>it might be real in the future in my mind

>>15965040
Starlink is ALREADY the only game in town for most of the country by land area. Terrestrial >=1Gbps internet doesn't exist in the sticks.

>>15965035
And ULA's vertical integration facility was paid for by EELV subsidies.

>>15965027
Elon was a crazy person long before I started working for ULA

>>15965045
>>15965054
>I.. it.. it can't be real unless I see a signed document from Elon himself!

>>15965035
>LC-39A
Their recently leased SLC-6 is more likely, if they wanted to go it LC-39A they would have done it long time ago.

>>15964946
>SX quoted almost the same price as ULA for the NSSL phase 2 missions
yes and if you were an actual engineer and not a seething schizoid you'd possibly remember why that was.

but you don't, because you probably weren't even here when those contracts were announced.
because you're a newfag.

>>15965053
of course it matters, they get more profit due to having lower costs
and in general they can start bringing prices down when it is more clear that launching payload has price elasticity
it doesn't right now because it takes time for new space industry to spool up, but I'm pretty sure Starship would start lowering prices even if there was no competitors
and this can be modeled by purely profit motivated reasons again, total profit and revenues going up with high price elasticity

>>15965064
you are going to have to produce something more than insane ramblings yes

>>15965059
SpaceX wouldn't exist if Musk wasn't somewhat crazy

>>15965065
See, they just need to refurbish the facility instead of building a brand new one.

>>15964985
and now we reach the core of the problem.
you have elon derangement syndrome. i'm sorry but it's terminal, you can't solve this level of delusion. you're doomed to remain confused about why reality isn't lining up with your fantasies for the rest of your existence.

>>15965064
Why would you need a signed document by Elon himself to give a single example of SpaceX engaging in anti competetive behavior?

>>15965067
to add to this, monopolistic price chocking might be good for short term profits but in the long term if it kills the industry its going to hurt you as well
and musk is nothing if a long term thinker (unlike lets say the penny pincher MBAs at boeing)

>>15965067
They aren't going to bring them down altrusitically. They're going to milk everyone they can for as long as they can. If ULA goes away, it would get exponentially worse.

>>15965069
I don't disagree - SpaceX wouldn't have been able to do what it did without an investor like him behind them. Doesn't change the fact that he's nuts.

I'm still not going to post proof for you. Believe it or not I don't care if you believe me.

>>15965065
But back in 2020 SLC-6 still had years of Delta IV Heavy launches to carry out. I think SpaceX getting a new launch complex with a nicely sized vertical assembly building was more the NRO getting nervous about Vulcan than SpaceX thinking they needed a new Falcon 9 pad.

>>15965000
Don’t be a pussy, just drop something from #general, they’ll never figure out it who it was

>>15965024
>person with EDS intentionally misrepresents reality to further his crusade
i could tell you that it doesn't cost that much for a normal subscription, but you already knew that, didn't you.
don't you feel any shame? embarrassment? these are healthy human emotions that keep you in touch with reality anon.

>>15965080
not altruistically, but for profit
did you not read what I wrote?

>>15965073
Buddy pretending like Elon is like anyone else on the planet isn't going to do you any favors.
As >>15965069 states - SpaceX could not exist without a crazy person behind them. No one else would be that stupid to lose their money on the huge risks he was taking. Even now I can't imagine how much money goes up in smoke each time a starship blows up.

>kills your mission

>>15965056
do they even offer >=1Gbps internet? I thought they offered like 20Mbps or something

>>15965093
fucking based

>>15965082
SLC-6 basically became free after DIVH was retired and seemingly ULA didn't want to launch Vulcan from there. It looks more like SpaceX initiative since it allows not just for vertical integration but once operational, it would increase rate of F9.

>>15965090
>implying i think elon musk is a normal or even good person
hey man, i'm not the one who brought him up and continues to drone on about how just because he's not an average person and has a sizeable ego means he's EVIL and MUST be up to something.

you really don't realize how schizophrenic you sound right now do you? you've been asked multiple times to provide a singular example of spacex employing anticompetitive strategies and have not given a SINGLE one, the only thing you've done is whinge and whine
>H-HE'S TOTALLY GOING TO DO IT IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE HE'S ELON MUSK AND I KNOW IN MY HEART THAT HE'S EVIL
i know words like schizo get thrown around a lot on this site, but you are definetly in a different reality from everyone else friend.

>Allegedly Richard Branson is on secretly recorded tape on the pedo island
Now what?

>>15965108
Nothing will happen, people don't care.

>>15965106
Vulcan's designed for Atlas V GSE and they were already planning on keeping SLC-3

>>15965090
>i can't imagine how much money goes up in smoke each time a starship blows up
that's the magic of building a giant assembly line for your prototypes dummy, each of those costs way less than you think, the engines alone are probably the biggest cost and we know how far below the market price those are.

>>15965097
many tiers now, not sure if there is a guaranteed 1Gbps tier though

We hit bump limit in 4 hours.
/sfg/ is back

https://twitter.com/wendyp4545/status/1744377345421562348

lol, what the fuck is FAA doing?

>>15965064
I believe you, anon

Still waiting for this anon to actually give an example of SpaceX acting in an anti competetive manner.

>>15965107
I am not going to provide contract negotiation details you stupid nigger. Why is that so hard to understand? What do I have to gain from 1 throwaway fact in the mountains of shit that's been said in this thread? Is it really so surprising that they'd do it? So hard to imagine that they aren't le heckin ebic gud goiz you all thin they are?

>>15964921
>hyperaggressive capitalism
You're either literally retarded or living in a 100% copium atmosphere

>>15965126
just mention his EDS again he'll flare up to defend himself and explain how elon musk simply must be evil he just can't prove it.

>>15965131
yes it is

>>15964950
I'm your boss and you're fired.

>>15965131
>HE'S A DEMON JUST TRUST ME AAAARGH I SIMPLY CANT SHOW YOU THIS SECRIT INFORMATION THAT SHOWS IT TO YOU WOE IS ME
you're not an engineer or even in the industry lol. this is getting really desperate little buddy, i hope you get better.

>>15965124
So everything is fine. it's not a safety hazard

>>15965124
Acceptable risk is something difficult to communicate to an airplane passenger when the door falls off midflight

>>15964955
White devil is a calque of 白鬼. You can't just culturally appropriate Chinese anti-white racism like that!

>high school lets out
>Elon shilling intensifies
Really makes you think

>>15964963
actual gay retard

>>15965133
high % copium atmospheres have not been shown to cause adverse health conditions in humans

>>15965143
>so everyt*ACK*

I woke up from a nap AND YOURE STILL SHITFLINGING???

>>15965147
4chan is an 18+ website anon, best not be admitting to being underage

this is getting really desperate, what is he even trying to accomplish.
if i had dark hidden conclusions but no way of revealing it without ruining my career through the breakage of NDA contracts, i would either fucking do it because i think it's worth it or never mention said conclusions especially on a fucking imageboard, because that would be begging to get bullied.

so from this we can draw two paths, either this individual here with us is a retard not fit for his position, or he's lying about literally everything, full of shit, and filled with an irrational hatred that drives everything he does.
either one is bad.

>>15964985
Is Elon Musk in the room with us right now?

>>15965147
what timezone are you in that schools get out around this time?

Cybertruck bros…