/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15960571
Moldy ass tanks. Get those rusted pieces of shit out of there.

>>15960571
forbidden marshmallow

>>15960575
Get this teddit shit out of here

>>15960579
Teddit: Ideas worth upvoting

POV: you're on the Starliner CFT, circa 2027

>>15960582
qrd?

>>15960607
Brand new Alaska Airlines plane took off then the window came off and the plane had to turn around and land again.

>>15960610
uh oh, lol

>>15960607
Boing being boing

>>15960607
>>15960610
The 737-Max 9 has four exit doors designed into the fuselage. Alaska Airlines doesn't use a seating configuration that requires all four of those exit doors, so one of them gets blanked off at the factory. The blanking panel blew out on this airplane.

>>15960607
Cost optimization

>>15960582
The bolts are still in their attach points.

Have we come to grips with the tyranny of the rocket equation and realized our false idol Elon Musk is the anti-christ yet....or is the brain rot terminal? No, no. Don't answer, I know what you'll say.
>It's terminal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkU85zKxK-s

>>15960582
captcha: JJOOY

>>15960543
Astronomy has a serious problem with how they publish images.
There is nothing wrong with doing false colors to highlight something or mosaics, but they always do a terrible job in being clear that this is not what you would see there.
Because of this we end up with people thinking Io is pineapple yellow, even worse like how people keep using that Magellan topographic render of Venus, most people have no idea Venus is an almost featureless white ball.
Some astronomers get angry if you point out this but they can't realize this just feeds conspiracy trolls and set people up to be disappointed.

>>15960607
>>>/n/1971671

does Bezos buying ULA means that he will be 1st to land on moon befoe Musk?

>>15960643
http://launchloop.com/LaunchLoop
We can choose freedom at any time once we allow ourselves the courage.

>>15960691
Dunno. Is Bezos actually buying ULA?

>>15960694
who else would want to shackle themselves to BO using that engine

>>15960697
dont ask me how i know but there are some serious contenders and biden is involved.

>>15960701
Is Biden strapping himself to the Vulcan/

>>15960656
Astronomers are ivory tower retards who have spent decades poisoning the public perception of space.

>>15960697
Were it not for the bad blood between Tory and Elon, I'd think Raptor would be a good, or possibly even better choice.

>>15960704
basically he's worried about China buying ULA through the back door and using it to destroy American national security launches for the next decade, because most of those launches are slated to be on Vulcan.

>>15960728
Is there actual bad blood or is it just twitter banter

>>15960747
Elon Musk holds long grudges and starts entire enterprises to spite people who tried to screw him. Tory Bruno tried to screw him.

>>15960728
It wasn't the better choice back in 2014 when the decision was made and it's debatable if it's even the right choice now. At the very least it would require completely reengineering the first stage.

It doesn't matter because there's no circumstance were SpaceX would sell raptors. They don't want to have go to through the hell of making sure that one engine can work for two different rockets. That's an overlooked reason of why the BE-4 has been so delayed.

>>15960759
it would also make ULA less desirable for NSSL
less dissimilar redundancy if there is only one provider for the engines, though I guess SpaceX could continue using F9 and Merlins for the NSSL launches

>>15960759
>It doesn't matter because there's no circumstance were SpaceX would sell raptors.

SpaceX accepted Air Force money to develop Raptor, in exchange, they're legally required to sell Raptor engines if a launch provider for NSSL payloads wants to buy them.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/heres-a-first-look-at-united-launch-alliances-new-vulcan-rocket/

> CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla.—United Launch Alliance's first Vulcan rocket emerged from its hangar Friday for a 30-minute trek to its launch pad in Florida, finally moving into the starting blocks after a decade of development and testing.

>>15960804
https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

30h to go

https://www.space.com/peregrine-lunar-lander-mexico-colmena-micro-robots

>>15960809
they will be yeeted with a small catapult
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h8ACvOjVac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQcFuIGVhJ0

>>15960809
These are going to sit in the dust spinning their wheels

>>15960793
That money was for the development of an upper stage raptor for national security use on the Falcon. That's a dead project with no relevance to the engines SpaceX is currently producing. There's also no mention anywhere of a legal requirement to sell them to another company.

>>15960299
https://spacenews.com/nasa-adds-funding-to-blue-origin-and-voyager-space-commercial-space-station-agreements/

> Blue Origin, which is developing the Orbital Reef space station with Sierra Space and other companies, received an increase of $42 million to its original $130 million award. The increase includes additional milestones for subsystem design reviews and technology maturation, as well as work on the station’s life support systems.

So upcoming, CERT-1 will feature
>Never flown rocket
>never flown engines (who’s developer didn’t inform ULA of its production issues)
>never flown second stage
>commercial lunar lander from a commercial company

Idk bros

>>15960867
you forgot the lunar lander has 20 payloads, 5 of which are from NASA
lol
kind of like if F9 new revisions were tested with a rideshare mission

>>15960867
Normally, there's no way in hell that I'd be up at two in the morning on a Monday, but there is no way that I am going to miss this one.

>faster than light travel (warp drives) is a theory built upon other theories that have yet to be proven and still would require an absurd amount of energy
>even going faster than light would be fucking wrong because it would break causality
>accelerating to near-light speeds would still take an absurd amount of time and/or energy and it would still take decades, if not centuries, to reach most other star systems in our sector then an absurd amount of time/energy to decelerate enough to navigate the star system
>cryonics still hasn't been figured out and might not be possible with the biology of humans
>vastly expanding the human lifespan still hasn't been figured out
>scalable net positive fusion hasn't been figured out yet and might never be
>necessary organic material is a lot harder to come by outside Earth
At best we're going to just be able to colonize the adjacent star systems unless some miracle breakthrough happens in the next century or so. I thought we were supposed to build a galaxy-spanning civilization, human bros...

>>15960656
>Some astronomers get angry if you point out this
Bullshit.

>>15960867
I'm expecting multiple srubs but no issues with the launch

>>15960656
>they always do a terrible job in being clear that this is not what you would see there.
Because the answer is no unless it specifically says otherwise.
>Is this nebula picture true colour?
No.
>How about this earth image from a weather satellite
No.
>How about this electron microscope...
No.
Even your phone camera changes the contrast and white balance to make pictures look better.

>>15960879
Build generation ships, you coward.

>>15960867
How do you seriously think the first flight of any rocket goes?

Any questions about Vulcan?
>t. knower

>>15960920
Nervously with a dummy payload

>>15960924
Peregrine literally is a dummy payload. Cert-1 was going to fly with a mass simulator if they hadn't made it in time. They're getting a huge discount to launch

>>15960926
Lunar landers are not dummy payloads.

>>15960929
Do you understand the point I'm trying to make here or are you going to keep being a faggot

>>15960932
I'm sorry your wrongness caused you unrest.

>>15960867
this is not spacex
meticulous simulations and planning followed by methodical execution WITH diligent oversight guarantees across-the-board success at first launch

>>15960937
>guarantees
lol

>>15960807
>>15960804
Calling it: it'll scrub.

>>15960924
https://spaceflightnow.com/delta/d310/
Ironically, out of the Delta II, Atlas II/A/S, Atlas III, Atlas V, Delta IV, and Delta IV Heavy, the only one that failed on their first launch was the Delta IV Heavy which was also the only one that launched with a dummy payload.

>>15960954
That is hilarious, I now accept that putting a real payload on is a good-luck ritual.

>>15960936
Got it, going to keep being a faggot then. Thank you for your contribution.

>>15960950
> If the rocket doesn't take off Monday, ULA has backup launch opportunities Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. Then, the company would have to stand down until January 23, a gap in launch availability constrained by the trajectory of the Vulcan rocket's payload.

How many years do you think it'll take before we can observe spacetime expansion at the quantum or atomtic level?

>>15960950
Rockets scrub prior to launch all the time. You aren't smart for guessing that'll happen

>>15960966
But it can't be a perfect launch if there's a scrub. A scrub means there's a system anomaly.

>>15960969
Ill repeat myself, it happens all the time.

What point are you trying to make here? That if ULA doesn't hit some unobtainable "perfect" goal on 0 problems that it's a bad rocket?

>>15960867
it must be a 100% success or else ULA will lose theur perfect record. Theyve never failed and never will

Bro ULA isn't going to let you fuck it

>>15960907
Eric Weinstein says this is a fantasy. Either break the physical laws and kill Relativity or go home

>>15960923
is Vulcan canonically a flatchested rocket?
>>15960990
you dont get to decide

>>15960996
Eric Weinstein can lick my taint

>>15960996
Eric Weinstein is a pretentious faggot

>Featuring a special, red paint job as well as the slogan "Love and Freedom and TENGA" painted on the side, the rocket was named TENGA Rocket after the sponsor, sex toy manufacturer Tenga Co., Ltd., which was also the first ever single sponsor received by Interstellar Technologies.[26] It carried out payload release and recovery mission (unknown if it was successful), the first time for a private entity in Japan. A special masturbator outfitted with sensors was launched along the rocket, aiding development of TENGA's namesake series development for use in space.[26]

>>15961011
>>15961003
And yet he's still right and you're a scifi fantasist.

>>15960999
Vulcan is a very photogenic rocket

>>15960999
>is Vulcan canonically a flatchested rocket?
Vulcan canonically has huge tatas filled with LOX and LNG.

>>15961021
she is very beautiful

>>15960907
Fucking leech
>>15961022
>>15961021
>>15960999
YWNBAW

>>15961017
who is the scifi fantasist here? the faggot you are talking about wants to literally create FTL spaceships by your own words

>>15961017
>And yet he's still right
Wrong

>>15961025
Geometric unity unlocks pinch to zoom. The only one living in fiction is you. You believe in the fiction of Relativity

>>15961033
>crank calls other people fantasists for believing in the currently prevailing scientific consensus
wew

>>15961024
Seething ;)

>>15961023
I like that there's at least one rocket in America sensible enough to use rail to get to the pad

>>15961047

>>15960999
She's got alabamy tits and she's a huge whore

>>15960867
for sake of national security, the US government should not allow ULA to be sold to Blue Origin

>>15960999
reasonably titted

I like the contrast of the blue engines with the red livery

https://archive (dot) is/O6a3f

new hitpiece just dropped

>>15961071
> n 2018, for example, he took multiple tabs of acid at a party he hosted in Los Angeles. The next year he partied on magic mushrooms at an event in Mexico. In 2021, he took ketamine recreationally with his brother, Kimbal Musk, in Miami at a house party during Art Basel. He has taken illegal drugs with current SpaceX and former Tesla board member Steve Jurvetson.
based

>>15961021
It's only the first couple that get painted like this. We save a few hundred pounds not painting them so real missions won't have paint.

>>15961071
didnt we already do this with the joe rogan joint smoking? and the usg deployed random drug tests and investigations at spacex? lol i guess sleepy joe is gonna go on another fishing trip

>>15960582
>16000 feet
If an air mask drops in front of me at this altitude I will be personally insulated. Fucking pussies.

>>15961047
It won't use rail at SLC-3 - it'll be assembled on-pad like Atlas was.

For LC-41 long term - there's going to be two separate rail transporters once the Kuiper program finishes up - so they'll roll one rocket out to the pad, launch, roll the pad back, then roll out the other pad with an already stacked rocket from the other VIF out to the pad.

>>15961078
Shut the fuck up incel

>>15961078
yes, seems like a pretty weak attempt of a smear but perhaps this is to have a pretext for some investigation from the biden admin yet again, not sure what it would be though
they can't require more than random drug tests that are already happening can they?

>>15961092

>>15960656
On the other hand, the terrae of Venus are hot enough to glow faintly in visible red light, and you could see them through the clouds on the night side in low orbit, without the daylight side to blind you.

>>15960879
>>even going faster than light would be fucking wrong because it would break causality
How about just don't do that? This isn't some ultimate gotcha. If you violate, causality, it's not the universe that breaks, it's you.

>>15960571
The discussion about the use of SpaceX's Raptor engines by other companies raises interesting points about collaboration and competition in the space industry. Given the unique challenges of space exploration, do you think the future of spaceflight will be more characterized by competition or collaboration between different companies and countries? Also, how might the increasing involvement of private companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin influence the direction of space exploration, particularly in terms of lunar and Mars missions?

>>15961112
Expecting competitors to altruistically help each other is folly. For Raptor to realistically be used on anything other than SpaceX's rockets, the entire engine division of SpaceX would have to be split off. And that obviously won't happen.

I know for a fact that Vulcan has won contracts for Satellite Internet provider launches because SpaceX tried to strong arm the satellite company into giving up part of their frequency allocation in Canada to Starlink to launch on a Falcon.

After SpaceX, expendable rockets will never be impressive ever again.

>>15961126
Your point about the competitive nature of the space industry is well-taken. The scenario you described with Vulcan winning contracts over SpaceX illustrates how competition can drive business decisions in this sector. It seems that while there's potential for collaboration in certain aspects, like shared technological advancements or joint missions, the drive for market dominance and proprietary interests might continue to fuel competition. This dynamic could shape how technologies like the Raptor engine are developed and utilized, influencing the pace and direction of space exploration.

>>15961071
>When he finally took the stage, Musk was strangely incomprehensible at times ... and referred repeatedly to SpaceX’s Big Falcon Rocket prototype, which was known as BFR, as “Big F—ing Rocket.”

They're so falcon dumb

chamath says starlink will go public in 2024

>15961264
What's with all these fake rumors

https://twitter.com/Free_Space/status/1743786261297463388

>"This has been the smoothest development experience I've ever had," @ulalaunch
CEO @torybruno
tells @AviationWeek
some 36 hours before fueling begins for the launch of the first Vulcan rocket. Credit: @AviationWeek

>>15961264
Bullshit

>>15961273
>3 person capacity
>900lbs total
Are Americans really...

>>15961273
how many gallons is that hat?

>>15961280
Do turdies not really get enough to eat? How do you expect to be able to build a rocket if you can't even get enough calories to reach 300 lbs.

>>15961273
I love it when he has the mustache.

>>15961280
3 people plus a payload, what's not to get?

>>15961153
The problem with such a well vertically integrated like SpaceX & Starlink is how they can use that influence to bully smaller competitors out of the market. Even now, were likely to see that happen with future LSAs - if spacex is just that much cheaper than what anyone else can do, what's the point of competing. It can be seen best with the European launchers - they're porked to fuck and back and they cannot compete with SpaceX at all.

>>15961280
>suits
>food and water for a few days
Hmm......

>>15961273
Smoothest in terms of shit going sideways unexpectedly. Delays are different - really the biggest issue was the Centaur exploding, that totally fucked a ton of people up.

>>15961300
>Exploding
Sorry "deflagrating" in case I get some other nitpicky faggot

>>15961298
Your concerns about SpaceX's market dominance are quite valid. Vertical integration does give SpaceX a significant competitive edge, potentially leading to a market where they are the dominant player due to their cost-efficiency and technological advancements. The situation with European launchers is a prime example of the challenges faced by other entities in competing with SpaceX. This scenario raises important questions about the balance between fostering innovation and preventing market monopolization. It also highlights the need for a diverse space industry where multiple players can contribute to and benefit from the advancements in space technology and exploration.

>>15961047
Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy also use rail

>>15961328
Thanks chatgpt

>>15961280
100 pounds per person worth of tools

>>15961333
You're welcome! If you have any more questions or need further discussion on spaceflight or any other topic, feel free to ask. Enjoy the conversation on the thread!

>>15960582
Talk about timing.
>>15957404
>Elon needs to build starships as fast as Boeing builds 737s
Uhhh what exactly did Steven Clark mean by that?

i want to jump into one of the ionian volcanic plumes

>>15961353
So you want to kill yourself

>>15961359
only aftter a long life

>>15961374
You bring shame to your people ya mumblin devil

>>15961377
Why? Because I don't want to die rotting away on life support?

>>15961082
I would have been more worried about hypothermia. 16k ft with with a stiff breeze im winter isn't something I want to do in street clothes

>>15961378
Yes. Suicide is a sin and brings shame to your family.

i want this shoved up my ass

>>15961071
(((journalists))) obviously write alot of this crap because its ragebait for alot of people. imagine being obsessed over a guy trying to make the world a better place.

>>15961273
>That wrinkled suit
Shamefur dispray.

>>15960996
hold my non-Einsteinian beer

>>15961487
We're a week into 2024 and no news on the drive test. Sounds like a sign of failure to me.

>>15961472
Imagine (((thinking))) that musk is anything but a capitalist out for himself

>>15961522
Imagine building your entire world view around the idea that capitalism is some ultimate force of evil that steals people's free will and that evil is not a product of human choices and human nature.

when is ift-3

imagine giving those things any (you)'s at all

>>15961535
2 months

>>15961550
or later

>>15961273
kek literally a space cowboy

>>15961575
why the fuck is it eating a burger, whats that analagous for?

>>15961616
Heavy

>>15961616
Why not? Not everything has a hidden meaning.

#hey look, it's the rocket from the previous thread!
o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o ooo><>
#rocket? that's a missile
#a what?!
||||||||||||||||||||||BOOOM!|||||||||||||||||||||||
#the missile has been detonated with success, /sfg/ has been destroyed.

>>15961455
>buying engines designed specifically for reusability
>only to throw them away
>a sound business model
Both ULA and Blue are retarded. Makes sense then, that, Blue would buy ULA.

>>15961650
ULA is getting paid for each rocket wasted, and BO is getting paid for each engine sold to ULA, so it makes a perfect business model. Not perfect for anyone who just wants to get a payload to orbit, but if they want cheap and reliable transportation, then there's SpaceX.

>>15961047
Think about the Alabama river rocks anon

The UAE will officially provide an airlock for Lunar Gateway

https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-united-arab-emirates-announce-artemis-lunar-gateway-airlock/

>>15961632
Everything in art should have a meaning otherwise its not art. thats why the Vulcan girl was barefoot.

>>15961660
that was supposed to be russia

>>15961661
What is this, highschool art appreciation?
Sometimes a tree is a just a tree.

just one day left to peregrine mission 1, what are your odds? will everything go smoothly or will the vulcan fail leaving the entire Navajo nation vindicated by the moon goddess?

>>15961663
well, too bad

>>15961666
Relatively confident in vulcan working, but really doubt the moon lander will get there intact

>>15961246
>When he finally took the stage, Musk was strangely incomprehensible at times
That's just his normal autism level.

>>15961664
you have black skin. god was definitiely embedding meaning in that one...

>>15961521
TWO
WEEKS

>>15961663
so now we'll get one that doesn't leak or throost unexpectedly

>>15961013
yeah, I remember that launch well. Most iconic rocket livery ever. I still can't decide if it was based or clown world.

Welp, so much for NASA Mars Sample Return. That big a cut means it's delayed until it no longer matters. Elon lands first.

JPL has no one to blame except themselves for screwing up yet another program.

>>15961753
It's better for everyone it got cut

I'm making Vulcan in KSP that has similar performance in KSP as rocket in real life.

What interesing should I make? Put 12 solid boosters, or make Vulcan Heavy?

>>15961753
>lawmakers
in reality it was a bunch of politicians that worked in the state JPL is
direct self interest

> NASA has ordered JPL to cease operations at the end of this month on a key project within the mission. Work on Mars Sample Return’s Capture, Containment and Return System will be paused while an independent review team analyzes the overall design.

So, down tools on -- the entire part of the project that returns.

>>15961753
Just who had the bright idea to do a sample return this way anyway? Land a rover, get some samples and cache them, then land a second rover and a lander/ascent stage and have the second rover go get the samples?
This was a retarded idea when first proposed and I want to know who stayed silent instead of shooting it down at the meeting table.

>>15961760
seems like its going to get cancelled slowly

>>15961765
it was complicated on purpose so JPL can get extra funding, I guess they thought they were the golden boy and could keep doing this forever
but with starship now and private companies increasing doing stuff for less, putting 10 bil on something like this doesn't seem so smart anymore
10 years ago it might have gone through

>>15961769
>thought they were the golden boy and could keep doing this forever
They'd already managed to keep the scam running since at least the early 1990s, so with NASA's Mars missions being perpetually twenty years into the future it really wasn't the worst plan anyone's ever had.

>>15960879
>argues that FTL is a theory built upon other theories
>Uses the chronology projection conjecture in post
>An unproven theory built upon other theories
Really anon?

>>15961765
we know too much about mars for it to be worth doing the traditional "land and scoop up a sample from there" style of sample return.
they wanted high quality samples and in typical JPL fashion they designed a mission that got the highest quality samples possible, all else be damned

>>15961756
Vulcan Heavy with SRBs

>still no flight
see you in February

>>15961786
They still could have done it in a much more cost efficient way. A Falcon Heavy has enough TLI payload to fit a collection rover, a launch system lander, and a earth return orbiter onto a single flight.

>>15961789
Normal Vulcan can carry 11 tons to LEO, With 6 boosters it can carry 25 tons to LEO. By Kerbal estimations Vulcan heavy would be able to carry 31 tons to LEO

>>15961802
It's launching tomorrow, though.

>>15961789
After adding third engine to second stage, addging two additional cores and strapping 6 SRB boosters payload to LEO is 45 tons.

So when is the Starliner crew flight happening, Boe-bros?

>>15961833
Why the fuck aren't the second stage engines centred?

>>15961846
April 14th.

>>15961846
2

>>15961300
>really the biggest issue was the Centaur exploding
Bro never heard of BE-4 engines.
ULA literally had to ship one back (after years of delays) because it broke. The BE-4 has arguably been the largest issue with Vulcan.

>>15960996
>Eric Weinstein
No relation? Oh wait

>positive ULA posts
i smell shit stinking rotted axe wound itt

>>15961734
From the UAE? lmao

>>15961847
There are three engines, They are centered, but at this very angle they look like they weren't. Third engine is right behind left one.

Here catch Vulcan Centaur Heavy Heavy with two SRB motors. 62 tons to LEO.

>>15961875
maybe you should stop sniffing yourself

https://twitter.com/SenBillNelson/status/1743991352763809906

>>15961890
>nasa's gateway program will establish humanities first space station
>and it will be around the moon
come on bill. couldn't have done a second take?

>>15961885
projecting much troon? YWNBAW

>>15961890
Fuck me I forgot Ballast Bill was still alive

>>15961901
to be fair, it's a bit hard to tell

https://twitter.com/StephenClark1/status/1744047287775404150

oh no navajobros

>>15961967
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/navajo-objection-to-flying-human-ashes-to-the-moon-wont-delay-launch/
> "The sacredness of the Moon is deeply embedded in the spirituality and heritage of many Indigenous cultures, including our own," Nygren said in a statement. "The placement of human remains on the Moon is a profound desecration of this celestial body revered by our people."

>

“I think being able to consult into the future is one of the things that they’re going to try to work on," he told reporters Friday. While Nygren said that was good to hear, "we were given no reassurance that the human remains were not going to be transported to the Moon on Monday."

how about you just fuck off? and no, no 100 dollars
fuck off

> “I think being able to consult into the future is one of the things that they’re going to try to work on," he told reporters Friday. While Nygren said that was good to hear, "we were given no reassurance that the human remains were not going to be transported to the Moon on Monday."

how about you just fuck off? and no, no 100 dollars
fuck off

what if there's a culture where leaving your remains on the moon is the endgame

Well I certainly want to be buried up there. I want to die up there, if at all possible.

>>15961890
https://spacenews.com/uae-to-build-airlock-for-lunar-gateway/

>>15961979
only works if you're even more of a minority than Indians. doesnt work for white people

>>15961978
Of course he's fat

>>15961985
its over. when i first heared about this I knew there was going to be explosive decompression killing an artemis crew. will probably happen during starship docking

>>15961985
It will be built by Thales, Airbus or Boing anyway

DragonXL is still contracted to resupply the gateway, but it doesnt exist. Does anyone who what the situation on that is? Will SpaceX use starships for Gateway resupply?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aulMR_o3jEo

>>15961789
The real big slider, imagine this thing taking off

>>15962001
Just because you personally haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist

>>15962022
it doesnt exist.

>>15962023
You don't exist.

>>15962001
Dragon XL and the Falcon Heavy VIF are both things I expected to see progress info on once in a while but you could think they don't even exist anymore since I think we've basically not heard about them since the original announcement. Long fairing too, there was just that photo a while ago that allegedly showed a test article. Dragon XL showed up in NASA press releases for a while but I think even those have stopped. it is a mystery

>>15962001
just stick a stretched cargo dragon on falcon heavy. it's that easy in rocketry

>>15961661
She has shoes now bitch

>>15962047
The resemblence is uncanny

>>15961786
>>15961765
The fundamental break was that JPL's design did not take advantage of Artemis or commercial capabilities in anyway. So it was a one-off boondongle that would have negatively impacted Artemis or caused delays in Artemis due to funding conflict. This pissed off a lot of people across the government.

It's one thing if the proposal you're putting up allows for some level of redundancy for your mission vs another or allows for synergies. It's something else when you basically act like old school Microsoft, where your mission design sabotages others within the same organization; and since NASA's Artemis program (SpaceX HLS aside) is distributed across all 50 states and now over 140 signatory countries. That simply will not be tolerated anymore.

So JPL got reamed because decades of favored preference made them forget to read the room before they submitted their proposal which embarrassed politicians. It's entirely possible that the Artemis Accords signatories got on the phone with NASA and were like "ayo, what the fuck?!" Which trickled up to Congress, and the rest is history.

>>15961879
Make it the Vulcan Centaur Ultra Heavy.

>core stage with 2 boosters strapped
>tall fairing with 2 boosters strapped to payload as kick stages

>>15961999
Hopefully Airbus or Thales. Boing can't be trusted to make a door that opens when they couldn't be bothered to bolt down a door on a plane that's supposed to remain closed.

>>15962032
its literally impossible to strech out cargo dragon due to the drag coefficient.

>>15961472
>(((journalists))) obviously write alot of this crap because its ragebait for alot of people
Yeas ago, I would have agreed with you. Today, I'd say you're missing a big chunk of the reason. The elephant in the room. Politics. Its all a political ideological driven narrative. They see Musk as a threat to their politics. The marxist politics.

>>15961985
https://www.russianspaceweb.com/imp-shm.html

RIP Russian module.

>>15960937
see starliner for proof of this!

Gorgeous

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2024/01/vulcan-launch-peregrine-inaugural-flight/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai-AVMJdzVQ

Flight Profile

ULA will likely begin to load the liquified natural gas, liquid hydrogen, and liquid oxygen propellant onto Vulcan late Jan. 7 preparing to be fully loaded by Jan.8 at 2:18 AM EST (7:18 AM UTC) when the window opens for flight.

>>15962151
ula is so cool. this video is really informative

>>15962151
>2:18 AM EST
damn I thought it was PM. am I gonna stay up tonight to watch this thing scrub?

>>15962164
You should. I am not going to miss this for anything.

>>15962164
the explosion is going to be kino

>>15962164
First flight of BE-4/Vulcan, first CLPS launch. This is really big, I'm almost as excited for this as SLS first launch. Imagine if it blows up

>>15962174
first time BO hardware goes into actual orbit?

>>15960582

>>15962180
>honey, its time for your morning commute

>>15962180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxGLDtA8Bgc

>>15962180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulohYRUazyg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzTtOw4XNUg
T-58:00 until you thrice-weekly starlink launch

>>15962177
no it's only on the first stage

>>15962126
>They see Musk as a threat to their politics. The marxist politics.
Take meds

>>15961970
>>15961967

You cant go to space because GOD!!111!!11

>>15962216
Get out of your bubble

Imagine being /sfg/ in 2024, and all these zoomers getting horny of an expendable rocket.

>RS1 is gonna get an extra engine, 20% more thrust and propellant just like that for flight 2
uh, based?

if Clear is excited for a rocket, I'm excited for the rocket

>>15962226
there's nothing more pathetic than seeing an old man who thinks hes hot shit just for being old. Like, well done.

>>15962226
I just wanna see a pad explosion like the good ol' days.

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1OdKrjMvjyeKX

>>15962226
imagine not wanting to make love to vulcan chan

>>15962226
I'm going to expend YOU motherfucker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ6KTFMHenA

It's gonna go boom right?

>>15961978
>le 30% native faec

>>15962268
can you post the broadcast on X? i dont watch youtube

>>15962226
vulcan w
millenial/gen x/ boomer L

another happy landing

>>15960937
I agree. I'd stake your life on it.

I love living in Florida as I can see the launches and RTLS landings from my backyard

And I can just drive down to the beach if I want to hear them aswell

>>15962286
Can I go be homeless there or is that not cool

>>15960980
No,it's a bad rocket if it's obsolete before it launches...

looking at vulcan pics, cock in fleshlight
THE ANTICIPATION IS KILLING MEEEE

>>15962289
yeah, she's pretty bad alright ;)
>>15962290
this anon gets it

>>15961055
I recognize that bulge

>>15962296
So Vulcan has the best one. Wow. Not something you'll hear on the SpaceX subreddit

>>15962289
no one tell them

>>15961280
3 people or just 1 american
t. americhad

>>15961078
Elon has been moving a tad too far off the plantation the last few years. Of course they need to manufacture bullshit.

>>15961978
as a compromise they should send the corpses of his whole tribe to the moon

>>15962180
with starliner this is a best case scenario

>>15962304
Vulcan is a completely new rocket, Falcon 9 is over 10 years old at this point
but yes, if SpaceX didn't do a successor for Falcon 9 they would probably get outcompeted eventually

https://twitter.com/eager_space/status/1743826246604382253

>SpaceX Explosions: Engineering Done Right
New video from Eager Space

>>15962315
I dont see how Vulcan cadence or cost/kg can ever match Falcon since it's not reusable

>>15962318
it can't but the larger fairing would mean it could launch some payloads that Falcon 9 or heavy couldn't yet (maybe SpaceX might be able to create a new fairing I guess)
the whole question is moot with Starship though, SpaceX has not in fact just sat on their ass for 10 years

>>15962296
>terran r vs neutron
holy mogging. tiny peter beck from hobbitlab simply can't help building things that are too small for regular people.
has anyone seen archimedes?
>photoshopped piece of chamber
vs
>full duration static fire
LMAOOOOO

>>15962316
its not new, he posted it on youtube some weeks ago
good video though

>>15962324
not looking god for hobbitlab
are they even going to be able to compete on cost?

>>15962326
Havent used youtube since the forced ads/banwaves started. Been youtube free for few months

>>15962329
>forced ads/banwaves
pebkac

>>15962322
SpaceX is already contracted to build an extended fairing for Falcon Heavy, which I think is equal to or slightly larger than Vulcan's extended fairing

Do people care about Vulcan? Feels like the general public response is muted compared to anything SpaceX does. Then again, Vulcan is a waste of money of a rocket anyways so there's that.

>>15962324
Peter beck is way too boring to ever build a heavy lifter

>>15962329
nigga, firefox + ublock and keep it updated
haven't been adcucked for more than perhaps 12h and seems like youtube is kind of giving up with that lately

>>15962334
I care about BE-4, not much about the rest of the rocket

>>15962329
youtube tried to stop adblockers for like a week and then gave up

>>15962334
Followers are more curious if BO buys ULA then anything else about ULA.

When is the Moon getting Luna as its official name?

>>15962334
I'm really looking forward to it. There's bound to be lots of interesting innovations in rent seeking and litigation as ULA fights desperately to continue its meaningless, leech-like existence.

>>15962334
This launch determines whether space-x lives or dies by the hand of Bruno

>>15962329
>forced ads
lmao retard

>>15962329
Hello Rėddit!

>>15962352
>meaningless, leech-like existence
So like everyone else that isn't SpaceX?

>>15962360
Stoke is doing a fully reusable system right from the start, BO and relativity might both develop a reusable first stage as well

https://youtu.be/FAr_8cNL1nk?si=JTtRtizY2XIiQsYu
did you see this? amazing future

>>15962366
>a bunch of useless copy companies when you could just put more money into SpaceX to expand production

>>15962371
Eesa is building organic carbon neutral rockets powered by waste plastic

>>15962371
You know things are bad when ESA is actually acknowledging the existence of non-Arianespace European launch companies.

>>15962371
>ESA

>>15962371
I hate being European. I wish my family left when they had a chance.

>>15962375
Without competition SpaceX will eventually get complacent. It's hard to see how anyone but state companies and [designated non-SpaceX launch provider] can survive if Starship really manages to be fully reusable, but someone needs to at least try.

>>15962371
ESA? More like
ESL

>>15962395
if nooglen meets its goals it will be legitimately better than falcon 9 and heavy. I don't think it's fair to complain that the designated non-spacex company can't match starship if they outperform falcon by that much

it's OVER! starbase is getting demolished! hack fraud musk will be in jail by this time tomorrow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHQ_J2tpW48

>>15962404
>If
lol

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1744119247289073687

>>15962442

>>15962442
did they remove the dented tank?

gen alpha launch commentators be like
>we have liftoff of the sigma rocket fr fr
>we are going through the period of maximum rizz on the sigma rocket
>adin ross reports skibidi trajectory
>we have SECO fr fr no cap
>we have a skibidi insertion into ohio orbit fr

>>15962445
>13 years
Elon, I...

>>15962447
They should have done it after IFT-3, in case it blows up the pad and they need to crane everything out anyway

>>15962452
just the insulation on it i think. you can see the tank on the left of >>15962447

>>15962459
starship v2 unveiled, they were hiding it under the cladding all along

>>15962285
kek

>>15962453
millennial launch commentators be like
>the swag rocket just YOLOed off the launch pad

>>15962472
Millennials are so cringe

>>15962454
Still not a complete 14 years, dumb dumb. He's correct.

>>15962459
>>15962465
Insulation and the tank itself.
It's the old methane tank that didn't pass regulations and was repurposed to store water.

We are going

>>15962465
Could they just straight up repurpose one if these as a Starship? Just weld in a downcomer etc

>>15962484
you're not going to believe what they were originally repurposed from

>>15962484
Are you retarded?

>>15962328
No lol. Terran R is selling for $60m, and Neutron is targeted at $55m but half the size
I invite you to look and laugh at the timeline on the Neutron website. At this rate, they'll still be saying a 2024 launch is possible next year.
https://www.rocketlabusa.com/launch/neutron/

>>15962234
A year and counting is a bit longer than "just like that".

Stupid anti-NASA incel chuds.

>>15962495
Hating NASA is common sense. They waste billions and kill people.

https://twitter.com/Ctowna/status/1744154499797717249
2nd stage of that starlink mission making some cool looking lights in the sky over texas

>>15962494
uhh, shouldn't all of those be green

>>15962511
Terran R engine Aeon R had a full hot fire 3 weeks ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDXc4YeiIoc

>>15962513
I guess the yellow means its on-going or something?

>>15962513
I thought of posting a month ago, when I'm pretty sure "first hot fire" was to the left of 2024, so I guess it's supposed to be up to date

>>15962480
He looks fucking badass

>>15962507
lol so many retards freaking out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ6KTFMHenA
Six hours remain

>>15962527

>>15962480
This pirate crackdown's a go

>>15962526
We gonna get a launch thread or just do all our shitposting in here?

>>15962536
there is a launch thread already

>>15962494
just like that is more in reference to adding engines in a block upgrade without much fanfare, I don't think that's very common.

>>15962537
Damn I wish I knew how to check the catalog

https://twitter.com/TurkeyBeaver/status/1744146732865278451

>>15962371
>ESA
>future
okay, I laughed

>>15962329
>Been youtube free for few months
Based stay clean, king.
If you do go back, I’d highly recommend at least checking out Freetube.
Lets you subscribe to channels and actually see their new videos without them getting blocked out by SEO algorithm slop.

>>15962386
lol you can still leave

NEW VULCAN JUST DROPPED

ANOTHER ONE AAAAAAA

hey opec!

>>15962593
>Lets you subscribe to channels and actually see their new videos without them getting blocked out by SEO algorithm slop.
the subscription tab is going to blow your mind

The guy seething about Starship gets access to ULA Vulcan launch

>>15962639
dont hate the player

>>15962657
We are perfectly capable of simultaneously hating both The Player and The Game

>>15962657
he is on the wrong team

T-4 hrs till vulcan launch

>>15962657
>>15962612
>>15962610
YWNBAW ULA troon

https://www.nasa.gov/general/mars-aerial-and-ground-global-intelligent-explorer/

Mars exploration platform , Mars Aerial and Ground Intelligent Explorer (MAGGIE). MAGGIE is a compact fixed wing aircraft with ultra-high productivity efficiency powered by solar energy to fly in the Martian atmosphere with vertical take-off/landing (VTOL) capability, which is enabled by advanced deflected slipstream technology with CoFlow Jet (CFJ). The cruise Mach number of MAGGIE is 0.25 with a cruise lift coefficient CL of 3.5, nearly an order of magnitude higher than conventional subsonic aircraft to overcome the low density of the Martian atmosphere. The ultra-high cruise CL with CL/CDc of 9 is made possible by CFJ that overcomes the low Reynolds number effect on Mars. The range of MAGGIE for a fully charged battery per 7.6 sol is 179 km at altitude of 1,000 m. The total range of MAGGIE per Martian year is 16,048 km. The representative mission for MAGGIE presented would conduct three atmospheric and geophysical investigations, all supporting different timescales of the Dynamic Mars science theme. These include a study of the origin and timing of the Martian core dynamo from the weak magnetic fields found in the large impact basins, a regional investigation of the source of methane signals detected by the Tunable Laser Spectrometer on the Mars Science Laboratory in Gale crater, and mapping of subsurface water ice at high resolution in the mid-latitudes where it has been observed from orbit.

>>15962689
The conceptual MAGGIE system study indicates that the concept appears to be feasible, but need to be further investigated, designed, and verified under Martian atmospheric conditions in Phase I. MAGGIE would be able to perform the first global-scale atmospheric mission at Mars and revolutionize our capability of exploring almost the entirety of the Martian surface. It is the first concept to enable ongoing exploration of this region of Mars and would provide a substantial leap in capability for NASA’s exploration of the Red Planet. The attractiveness of airborne missions on Mars has been amply demonstrated by the Ingenuity helicopter. MAGGIE would be similarly engaging to the public, both in its audacity, and in the variety of environments it could explore, study, and image. The technology would also enhance VTOL aircraft technology on Earth and other planets.

>>15962680
time for a Taco Bell run

Reminder the first methane rocket to reach orbit is the Chinese one. Will the Vulcan be the second?

ULA niggershills out in full force I see.

>>15962689
this is much better than some gay sample return

only a few hours for kino ULA explosion
I want to see Tory Brunos face lmao

>>15962699
just imagine the pre-recorded failure video

>>15962699
I hope this happens so they can finally kill the waste of money that ULA is.

>>15962211
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb2r-Brnq6s

>>15962722
the absolute state of oldspace

>>15962730

>>15962730
luv me some orthogrid

>>15962722
It's pretty graceless how he dances around the fact that Boeing was found guilty of industrial espionage in the lead up to the formation of ULA. And how he just ignores how Elon said that creating a launch monopoly would be terrible for launch prices.

>>15962734
> this is a very mass efficient method

taking a block of aluminium and then machining 95% of it away doesn't seem very efficient to me

>>15962739
Mass efficient, yes. Cost efficient, no. Mass autism strikes again.

>>15962730
>>15962734
>>15962739
>>15962740
I get that /sfg/ hates isogrid/orthogrid. here's what it does: it's thin panels with welded stringers, but more tolerant of temperature shifts at the expense of being harder to manufacture. It's not *that* hard to make, and a lot less risky than welded ribs and stringers. if some random welders apprentice could make something as robust as a cnc can make orthogrid oldspace would do it. it's just too prone to cracking

>>15960879
Why do you faggots think space travel is only worthwhile with FTL?
There is enough raw resources and energy in the solar system alone to allow for a civilization of trillions of people to exist for billions of years.
And even without FTL interstellar travel is still possible it would just take a long time, and guess what we have a lot of time.

>>15962740
You remelt the shavings and make a new block of aluminum there's very little waste

>>15962507
I live around there, any websites that will let you know when these kinds of viewing conditions will happen again?

>>15962748
energy is not free

>>15962743
A Falcon 9 has 20x more flight time than any other rocket. It experiences the largest temperature variations from cryo to reentry. It has welded stringers that don't crack.
>hard to manufacture
no just insanely expensive

>>15961967
>>15961970
I'm going to piss on the moon just to annoy them

>>15962751
And just because you've got a giant CNC milling machine doesn't mean that you've also got the equipment to melt down a few tons of aluminum shavings and recast them into an inch thick sheet that's at least a dozen feet long

>>15962763
just mail them to someone who does

LET’S GO TO THE MOON!!!!!

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LET’S GO TO THE MOON!!!!!

>>15962751
I'm going to guess that running thousands of feet of welds isn't very energy efficient either

>>15962765
What is this? Is a beverage company launching their product to the moon?

>>15962764
The thing is, that someone is going to want to get paid, and huge sheets of aerospace grade metals aren't cheap when you want them shipped back. Grids are mechanically superior, but the small increase in strength isn't worth the increase in cost. Welding and stringers can be vertically integrated a lot more easily.

>>15962766
probably an order of magnitude difference
just think how much material you are melting down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHUJ3m_xEb0
SFN is live with light commentary

>>15962768
Yeah

>>15962775
Centaur LH2 loading has begun.

>>15962775

>>15962783
Jesus fucking christ

wait its launching now? i need to sleep

>>15962784
Weather is 85% go tonight. Tomorrow's is only 35%, and Wednesday is 45%.

Who's liking some rain delays?

>>15962786
No, you need to stay up and watch history in the making as ULA destroys their perfect launch record

>>15962787
FFFFFFFFF

and then the Navajo might start shit if its this long too fuuuuck

It got even whiter

>>15962795
frosty!

>>15962795
damn she dummy thicc

>>15962754
Honestly, isogrid is fine even if it's expensive BUT ONLY IF you actually reuse it.

reminder that oldspace pretends to care about mass efficiency but then doesn't even superchill their cryogenics nor pushes their one time use engines to 300 bar chamber pressure

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1744217382229278997

he mad

>>15962801
they can't afford to push anything to the limit because they want perfect reliability but don't have the 96 launch per year cadence to work out all the kinks

https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1744213130438205789
>Standing down from tonight's Vulcan Cert 1 launch to remove the shameful payload that will desecrate the moon as ordered by the Biden Administation on orders from the Navajo Nation, next launch attempt will be announced soon.

>>15962682
>ban evasion
>>15962730
isogrid is based. spacex is retards for not using it

>>15962809
Tory Bruno is a cowboy he don't give a fuck about no injun

>>15962804
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1744217018126012746
california is a joke

>>15962813
based space cowboy fires missile at sacred native american land

>>15962812
seethe
>isogrid is based
you're retarded

>>15962813
>BREAKING! We have reports of armed Navajo attempting to storm SLC-41, ULA CEO leading the defense of the complex from horseback and firing a revolver like mad at the indians, the rocket countdown has not stopped at this time, we will stay with this story and keep you updated

>>15962795
Never wanted to fuck a rocket more than this, so smooth and pretty

>ULA CEO Tory Bruno last seen mounting cavalry charge at a group of Navajo guerillas that crossed the security perimeter, ULA Vulcan Cert 1 rocket in final countdown sequence

>>15962820
>>15962822
horrible chatgpt story fuck off back to teddit

>>15962825
nah chatpgt would be like
>I'm sorry I'm unable to complete your request, it's important to be respectful of other cultures and this story may cause offense to some blahblahblah

>>15962769
One requirement of "Aerospace grade" aluminum is virgin material, as it needs certified from mine to final application. Any shavings could be recycled but could not be used for Aerospace applications.

>>15960867
It will be a stunning success and everyone will seethe

>>15962840
I just hope it looks good before it explodes

>>15962844
can't wait for these doubters to get btfo

>>15962822

>>15962822

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1744203205007876494

https://youtu.be/gHUJ3m_xEb0

https://twitter.com/StephenClark1/status/1744124961776689336
>Mark Clampin, NASA's astrophysics director, says at this week's AAS meeting that the agency is still deciding on a path forward for Hubble after receiving SpaceX's feasibility study on reboost and servicing.
>"I will emphasize that we’re primarily looking for reboost.”

https://twitter.com/rookisaacman/status/1744152047534964859
>With Hubble orbit decaying there is only a limited time to plan, train & fly a mission. I am a bit concerned that the 'clock' is being run out on this game.
>As for the crew, we would bring together people to give the mission the best chance of success. I am just concerned at this pace, there may not be a Hubble to save.

Ominous

I'm not going to make it anons, go on without me

>>15962863
Same. Post "it's over" for me if it goes boom.

>>15962862
so isaacman thinks just reboosting is a waste of time, he wants to actually install some shit on it to get experience in that I guess? and the NASA bureucrats don't want to do that for some reason

1h 30min waiting until 45min waiting until scrub

>>15962866
Maybe because it's a repurposed NSA spy sat

>>15962866
A reboost would be easy and straightforward. Actually servicing hardware would be a lot more awkward than it was for shuttle, and that's even if NASA can find hardware that's comparable with a late eighties era satellite.

>>15962874
I'm pretty sure they have everything ready to go, they are going to install some new thing as an addon with propellants, computers etc
it just needs a way to communicate, you don't actually need to use hardware from that era