/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15789150
>>15788119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg3Z0wj9xDI

40min until it should start

two more weeks

>>15789467
China punches far below it's weight in spaceflight, that is all.

SpaceX's Elon Musk to give big Starship update today: Watch it live

https://www.space.com/spacex-elon-musk-starship-update-iac-webcast
> "As the most powerful launch system ever developed, SpaceX's Starship and Super Heavy launch vehicle is a fully and rapidly reusable transportation system designed to carry satellites, payloads, crew and cargo to a variety of orbits and Earth, lunar or Martian landing sites," the IAF wrote in a description of the event, which will be moderated by Clay Mowry, the organization's president.
>"SpaceX's Chief Engineer Elon Musk will provide an update on the design and development of Starship as SpaceX strives to fundamentally change the future of space transportation and help make life multiplanetary," the organization added.

https://www.iafastro.org/events/iac/iac-2023/plenary-programme/highlight-lectures/creating-a-more-exciting-future.html

>>15789467
Cancel MSR

>>15789471
I guess its this stream then, in 20 minutes

>>15789471
Does anyone have Musk speech bingo?

>>15789491
whats that thing they are destroying?

>>15789471
Clay MOWRY

Dall-e 3 sucks. It thinks "Elon Musk" is contentious content, and it doesn't know who Krystal is.

>>15789510
Hopes and dreams

>>15789510
looks like a fullsized space shuttle mockup

Wonder where its from

>>15789515
That's not Dalle-3 idiot. Also there are waste dumb threads for AI spam over /g/ or /trash/ or /b/

Titan bros , its so over ...

"Titan's atmosphere keeps getting stranger.

Here we discover a giant vortex at its poles filled with frozen hydrogen cyanide: a toxic storm below -148°C rising to 300 km off the surface."

>hydrogen cyanide

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/swirling-cloud-at-titans-pole-is-cold-and-toxic

lol this music reminds me of Disco Elysium

>>15789515
kek

>>15789515
AIslop sucks, take it with you when you go back to rebbit

>>15789473
most places do, at least china is closing the gap with where they should be

>>15789491
Shittle is crying. It's all Anon's fault for blaming everything on it.

Is Musk even awake, he hasn't posted anything about this on X and it should start now

introvideo started

>>15789538
not really, they're trying to close the gap with cheap, disposable rockets and a homegrown private launch industry, but it isn't really bearing fruit, and I don't think it ever will with the way they're doing things.

IT'S HAPPENING

>no facecam for Elon

https://twitter.com/Iac2023/status/1709925296194126134

Stream on X

This is kind of anticlimatic, I thought there would actually be a lecture and not just random talk

nevermind they should have kept Elon's facecam off

>Elon drawing direct comparisons to the N1
BASED

I think Musk just woke up

>>15789562
Is he using some kind of AI noise remover crap while someone is vacuuming his house?

talking about the previous stage separation system

>>15789562
did he just woke up?

>>15789568
Might be some kids running around and shouting too

>>15789518
I *think* it's at kennedy space center? They still have the tanks and booster mock-up standing (at least they did last year)

>>15789572
probably
zero new information at this point

>>15789567
It's 9AM in Texas, 7AM if he's in Calicucknia.

>>15789566
>>Elon drawing direct comparisons to a late 50s rocket
FTFY

>>15789568
I think it's feedback from the auditorium's speakers being picked up by the hosts mic

>>15789582
that's just how stagnated the launch industry is
ULA and the rest have been riding on 50s tech for 50 years

>want to land it precisely in the water before we will attempt to catch the ship
>booster flights we have done many times, we have much higher confidence
> depending on how the licenses go, there is a decent chance we will catch the booster in the next year or less than a year
> catch the ship towards the end of the next year

>catch booster in less than a year
Yes, first launch this one in less than a year

>Clay embarrassing himself
unsurprising

>>15789578
There never is.

I don't enjoy watching him speak. Man should take some classes.

>>15789593
Considering it's been like this always I don't think you can fix it.

>Aiming for 1.3-1.4 TWR
>propellant is 3:1, but trending towards 2:1, shifting more of the dV to the Ship side
>Booster uses propellant very quickly, about 100s
> booster will immediately boostback and land
>Booster back on the site in about 4-5 minutes

While Elon is speaking, they're destacking Starship, again.

>>15789515
>ai retard
retard

>>15789593
yeah, he's a terrible orator

>>15789598
it still needs the FTS and flight recorders
if they get installed it's a clear indication they're close to launching

>>15789598
They will equip FTS now and then at the end Elon will say WE GAAN

>>15789593
>I don't enjoy watching him speak
you are in sci and expect a technical talker to be "enjoyable?"
wtf?

> ship can come back in 1.5h, theoretically can come back after one orbit
> there is a good chance we start deploying starlinks next year in about a year from now
> the hardest part about this is solving for safe ship re-entry and landing
> before we solve that we can still launch satellites

>>15789602
>>15789603
Birds are saying it's for safety reasons, beacause S26 may do a static fire.

>>15789602
The fish already delayed by 135 days minimum it's over

> Falcon 9 still takes a few days to refurbish even after RTLS
> The reason for Starship is because they want to create a city on Mars

>>15789604
I like it more when a person doesn't stutter.

>>15789607
we don't really know when they can get a license

>>15789608
reason for the size of Starship I mean

>ground satelite
his brain is a mess

>>15789610
h-h-his job is to is to is to b-b-build the r-r-rockets. he he doesn't ha-have to spea to speak well

> one of the exciting projects we are working with is a Telescope with Berkeley, 7-8m diameter lens
>meant for ground observatory at first
> very excited what it can do for space science
> fundamentally the reason [Starship] is so gigantic is because it would be uncomfortable to be cooped up in a minivan for the journey [to Mars]

>>15789615
yeah, because he just woke up

>>15789610
who the fuck cares?

>>15789615
He's clawing his way out of a k-hole it's obvious.

>>15789598
You put the starship on
you take the starship off
you put the starship on
you take the starship off
you put the starship on
you take the starship off
and you shake it all about

>>15789619
I care.

ORDER OF MAGNITUDE

> we are building a giant rocket factory
> the engines are still manufactured in California
> what is required to have a self-sustaining city of mars? You have to think about a very large tonnage
> I think we should probably aim for a million tonnes of useful mass to Mars landed
> to get 1 million to surface of mars, you need about 5 million tonnes into LEO
> hopefully 1 million tonnes is enough to create a self sustaining city on mars

3-4 years starship on mars

Don't ask Elon for date

>>15789625
then go back to whatever place you came from maybe?

>>15789633
No, thanks, I like it here.

>>15789635
then stop being a fucking faggot

Q: when is first human landing on mars?
> 3-4 years
> I would have to check the transfer window
> I think its feasible within the 4 years to do a crew landing on Mars

Q: you didn't have enough on your plate with the Moon?
> with a general purpose propulsive landing rocket you can land in places with atmosphere, no atmosphere, it doesn't really matter
> A propulsive system should generalize to land anywhere on a solid surface in the solar system
> I am optimistic we can take a Starship that is mostly unmodified that we land on the earth or mars on the moon
> when you have a propellant plant on Mars you can go anywhere

>>15789636
Stop being rude.

>>15789639
where do you think you are?

>>15789637
>four more years - X

Q: Why is propellant transfer necessary?
> Propellant transfer is a similar problem to just docking
> we have gotten pretty good at docking with the ISS with dragon
> it is far more difficult to dock with the space station than it would be to dock with our own ship

> There will be a future tanker optimized version of starship where we stretch the tanks and have little to no cargo space
> but you don't have to do that, you will just increase the propellant amount
>but you can do it with a generic cargo starship

>>15789637
this is what HLS was always about. NASA wants a moon lander, SpaceX wants a mars lander. NASA pays to develop a moon lander and spacex makes minor adaptations to land the same thing on mars

>2600 viewers
yikes

>>15789647
all the real og are watching on X

Q: Where will you be launching?
> We will have a launch pad in both Florida and Boca Chica, building/modifying pad 39(?)
> we will probably have a greenfield location for starship in the cape
> we may end up doing ocean platform launches
> we will need to do thousands of launches a year
> 1000 launches per year-> 100k mass to orbit, but you would like to get 1mil tonnes to orbit per year
> Falcon 9 will do about 16k tonnes this year, perhaps 25k tonnes next year
> but these are small launches if you want to get enough mass for a city on mars

>>15789611
says whom

>>15789651
everyone
it could arrive tomorrow or next year

Q: You are working on a Polaris mission. Can you talk about the spacesuit for that?
> SpaceX spacesuit will evolve to something that can be a EVA suit on the moon and mars
> initially it will just be a pressure suit for emergency situations
>for an upcoming flight we will want to do an EVA, but it will be tethered EVA this time

Q: You put an Tesla in Space. Are you thinking making a Tesla rover, cybertruck on the moon?
> It would be cool
> Nice things about EV is that they don't need to ingest oxygen from the ambient air
> Tesla could make a Cybertruck Lunar variant
> the reason we launched a car was because we wanted to launch something that was a exciting payload but would not be dangerous
> we weren't sure if the first launch of the falcon heavy would fail or not, and we didn't just to launch a block of concrete

>>15789653
hogwash

>>15789627
Kek it was inevitable

Q: Can Starship be used as a spacestation? How long could it stay in orbit?
> The volume of the Starship fairing is roughly equal to the ISS, 1000 cubic meters

Q: and would have the power to run a lot of laboratories
> there is no limit how long you could run it

Q: How about point-to-point transportation?
> we would have to check if its economically viable
> our back of the envelope calculations seems it may be viable
> the fuel costs are quite low, liquid methane and liquid oxygen
>its the lowest cost propellant you could get on earth
> the rocket is moving so fast you could theoretically use it 10x as a plane
>an order of magnitude more trips with a Starship vs an airliner, need no pilot (can't use a pilot)
> don't have the pilot costs, don't have food costs, don't have any bathrooms
> it would work at to be lower cost than a long distance flight
> you could technically have breakfast in LA, lunch in London and dinner in Singapore but be back at home by bedtime

>>15789664
seems like it would beat the shit out of you to get launched that many times in a day

Q: What do you see for starlink used as a relay for the moon or mars?
> For Mars you would want basically a laser relay system, depends on what bandwidth
> for continuous coverage you would need to have a relay system due to the sun obviously
> ultimately we would want terabit, maybe petabit bandwidth
> you would want some relay satellites
> its about bandwidth, a laser would widen too much so you need satellites in between if you want very high bandwidth
> starlink already uses lasers for inter-satellite communication

>41%
lol

>>15789664
>1000 cubic meters
Is that....

welp

finally a timeline that is realistic
>When can we hold an IAC in space?

>Less than 10 years

Q: Do you have a message for young engineers and scientist?
> I am interested in that which furthers civilization, to expand the scope and scale of human consciousness, to understand what questions to ask
> In hitchhikers guide to the galaxy the message is that asking the right question is the hardest thing
> I'm just curious
> this tiny candle of consciousness is the only thing that exist

Q:We would love to have you back next year in Milan, maybe land with a Starship.
>that would be quite an entrance to launch on the roof
When will you host an IAC in outer space?
> Quite a question, less than 10 years.

>>15789674
4 years for first crewed test landings on mars

>>15789593
it is what it is, I don't mind it too much

>>15789593
clearly doesn't affect his success rate

>>15789608
>F9 refurb takes a few days
doomers btfo yet again, but they will simply say elon lied

>>15789600
he's pretty eloquent when talking technical about raptor

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1709942294164729927

seemed more like an interview to me

>>15789664
> Elon still shilling e2e
Until he has a magic noise suppressor its a pipe dream
>muh offshore launch/landing platforms
lol no

>retards ITT don't know the difference between 1 cubic km and 1000 cubic meters
/sci/ - Science & Math

https://twitter.com/DrChrisCombs/status/1709932678286590237

>>15789707
the funny thing is that Starlink is going to make plane travel so much more bearable that there probably will never be a market for e2e just because the value proposition has shifted

>>15789715
>retards ITT don't know the difference between 1 mile and 5280 feet
that's what you sound like

>>15789721
>comparing linear distances to volumes
seriously... you could have googled it, RETARD

>>15789718
Why post a shitter?

>>15789721
Starship has an internal capacity of one square mile, unbelievable but it's true

>>15789718
>traditional rocket development timeline
Did he miss the part of rocket being on a launch pad already?

>>15789720
There's a market for hypersonic travel but it has to use standard airports with minimal modification. The Black Horse could do it.

I really struggle to see the use case for point to point rockets outside of ICBMs.
what are you transporting that is so time sensitive it justifies the cost over a traditional airplane?

>>15789738
People are already terrified of airplanes despite it being demonstrably the safest way to travel. I don't think many people will ever get over the fear of being strapped to an ICBM even if it's a proven, safe technology.

>>15789616
people who have lisps and/or stutters are deranged. Just pronounce the words correctly, and just spit the words out. Can't do it? Wrong.

>ship getting destacked
ITS OVER AND I TOLD YOU ITS OVER. NO LAUNCH IN 2023, FUCK YOUR FTS COPE NO FWS APPROVAL MEANS THEY HAVE NO CLUE IF IT LAUNCHES.

>>15789707
The USSF is who is interested in e2e transport.

Would global thermonuclear war delay IFT2 or would the reduction in regulatory burden offset the other delays incurred?

>>15789649
Ocean launches still possible? Make sure to keep track of SpaceX purchases again.

>>15789665
People go spend all day on thrillrides at theme parks idk
I feel like the forces experienced by crew during launch are way overblown. I've been spun at over 4 g and honestly, it's pretty comfy. It's no risk at all unless you're sitting upright in the G load direction, which only fighter pilots need to do.

>>15789749
Told you the WH was sabotaging SpaceX starting in 2020, you told me to take meds.
I was rightest.

>>15789677
Lol. 2 weeks.

>>15789725
why not?

>>15789715
Newfag

>>15789743
people
sitting in a plane for 14h sucks

>>15789749
They're going to do a static fire.

>>15789756
That might be two dozen launches a year and you have to solve the problem of getting the Starships back from wherever you sent them. It's not the mass passenger transport Musk is talking about.

>>15789718
Moon surface EVA suits are the long pole for Artemis human moon landing.

>>15789763
yes but it sounded like a long term plan and he talked about a green field development launch pad
so they will finish the pad modification in the Cape, build a new one from scratch at least before looking at sealaunch, its when you need thousands of launches and basically because
they only do it when they are basically forced to do it

>>15789777
>government
>reason
HA

>>15789775
test the newly installed water tank for the deluge system too

>>15789775
This is cope

i'm now firmly in the oldspace camp
spent the last few weeks studying the US Atlas,Titan,Jupiter,Saturn programs and I think oldspace does it best. Sure we can allow some firms to produce cheap LEO lifters for us but the 'real' missions I only entrust to oldspace.

Dont reply to bait

>>15789800
dude got groomed

Did Elon just say go to the oort cloud with Starship during the conference? Thats 0.03 lightyears away, unless you're strapping a nuclear pulse drive to it you aren't getting there.

>>15789804
Read >>15789803

>>15789806
pluto is in the Oort Cloud, but wasn't it about first starting a fuel depot in Mars, then you could do one on a Jupiter moon and so on
not launch a crewed Starship there right away as a one shot

>>15789806
lots of destinations are possible when you stop doing pussy shit gravity assists. or better yet, use chemical rockets to line yourself up for better gravity assists faster

>gravity assists bad
>chem propulsion good
/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15789812
Pluto isnt in the Oort Cloud you stupid fuck its in the Kuiper Belt, the Oort Cloud extends way further than you fucking think. The Oort Cloud starts at 2000 AU, guess where Pluto is?? 34.5 AU. We havent EVER directly observed the Oort Cloud, its only theoretical because it explaine where comets come from. Dont talk if you dont know what youre talking about.

>>15789819
Yes

>>15789819
Its one double digit IQ faggot shitting up this thread right now thinking he's smart.

>if only they would admit that they know things are as bad as they are
>because the Israelites have been in rebellion against me for thousands of years

>>15789812
No pluto is in the Kuiper which is only 39.5 AU from the sun. It'd still take years to reach even Pluto with perfect 4 planet gravity assists and fuel depots.
>>15789815
The Oort cloud on the other hand is 2000AU away. Voyager, a probe that got a once in a century gravity assist will only reach it in 300 years. We need far future propulsion tech to ever get there. If you can get to the Oort in a reasonable time span, you have the propulsion for interstellar travel.

>goal is to set up a starship refueling depot on Mars
>with a Martian starship you can take humans to the moons of Jupiter
Based Elon. Earthers and fishes seething

>>15789819

>>15789821
>Oort Cloud extends way further than you fucking think
It's so stupidly exensive, in fact, that it's 3/4th of the way to the Alpha Centauri system (3.2 ly to 4.2) and other stars regularly cross into it.

>>15789827
>with a Martian starship you can take humans to the moons of Jupiter
With transit times and synodic periods longer than from Earth. Wow.

>>15789831
>implying Raptor 6 won't be a fission fragment engine
Ngmi

>>15789627
You hear this a ton when you're talking with anyone who does analysis

"0th order"
"1st order"
"order of magnitude"

>>15789642
Kek, I'm taking this to mean they aren't going to do anything like ISS traffic control

Are they going to crash a tanker

>>15789819
I like missions to arrive in orbit of outer planets while the principal investigator is still alive

The PI for Lucy is going to be in his late 60s when it finally gets somewhere

>>15789467
>>15789474
Another day not leaving ball earth. Golem bros..

>>15789637
>when you have a propellant plant on Mars you can go anywhere

>>15789812
>>15789821
>Oort Cloud
It's not real

>>15789677
right after 4 years of FAA, FWS, EPA, FCC, DOT, NTSB, etc. license reviews

https://twitter.com/SeanKD_Photos/status/1709946112931664105

> Cybertruck VS. Drone

>>15789867
isn’t that more like an RVac taking out a drone?

Kek that’ll be a 2 year grounding for an FAA/NTSB investigation!

>>15789867
it's over...

>>15789854
Never said it was real, thats why I said theoretical.

>still no license
>destack with road closures right after
yeah theyre getting transported back to the build site. it is OVER

Why is he so obsessed? Is it because it gives him views?

>giving attention to literal who again
cut off the (you) supply

>>15789522
hydrogen cyanide is uhhhh pretty toxic
like at least a seven out of ten

>>15789854
>It's not real
Then where is this coming from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C/2014_UN271_(Bernardinelli%E2%80%93Bernstein)

>15789887
Not giving you a (you) but the serious answer(s):
1) He’s genuinely stupid and has EDS
2) Look at those views. He’s getting money from ad revenue / patreon. This is likely his full time job now

Now stop fucking spamming this shit, you’re a fucking retard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX5YyEIrQeE

>>15789522
It never even began

>>15789904

who cares

>>15789908
You have to drive past that building every time you visit KSC, and nothing's happening there

Imagine all the people arriving for the (SpaceX) Psyche launch later this week and wondering what that stuff is for

>>15789914
lol

>>15789867

>>15789914
hopefully the new CEO gets stuff rolling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_planets:_1%E2%80%931000

there's so many asteroids. damn near every rock on this list is bigger than phobos, yet I'd challenge anyone here to name more than 10 without checking.
it's just too many.

>>15789761
yeah for sure

>>15789899
my ass

>>15789887
He makes money. And he feels like Musk is hogging the limelight from people like him who are the real genius

Lmao lol

>>15789957
Oh, this is a wrinkle I hadn't heard about. It's not for the xEMU the Artemis astronauts will be using. I'm not sure why they're using language that implies that the AxEMU is an Artemis suit.

>>15789961
Oh, I see what happened. Missed the press release that NASA picked Axiom to make the suits for the Artemis III mission. They're xEMU suits but actually intended for people to wear.
https://spacenews.com/axiom-space-reveals-design-of-artemis-spacesuit/

>>15789957
this isn't that weird—Rolls Royce made rocket engines. If you think about it, a high-end fashion designer is going to be the highest concentration of people with knowledge and talent in understanding materials, fabric manufacturing, etc.

Guys.... Elon said it will be four years until test flight of starship to mars. That means in reality it will be 10+ years. Im so upset.

Mass manufactured space telescopes that are integrated into Starship

>>15789973
Better than the timeline with just NASA/Boeing so whatever. I’ll take what I can get

>>15789973
yeah, shockingly conservative from him 2bh which makes me think it's going to be a very long time
maybe he doesn't want to ruffle feathers at NASA by implying he's not 100% focused on lunar starship, but that would be even more out of character

>>15789974
Literally fuck off and never come back you troon

>>15789974
are they actually pointing to space or to earth?

>>15789978
Space, I've never heard these were about earth imagining

>>15789974
>>15789978
>>15789982
wait, nvm, I was confused and thought they were talking about starlink sats lmao

>>15789978
https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1443010725069430785

a bit over 2 years ago, I guess I haven't seen the denial of this (or these) being used for earth imagining, but isn't the word "telescope" used just for looking at space?

>>15789987
this is even earlier, july vs september

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1412846722561105921

>>15789978
Definitely space. We don't need any more fidelity in Earth observation than we already have unless you're trying to read sticky notes on Putin's desk or whatever.

>>15789989
>unless you're trying to read sticky notes on Putin's desk or whatever.
what do you think starlink actually does?

https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1709933108462801189

> Thrust on booster is trending towards 50% more thrust than it currently is. This would be thanks to further improvements from Raptor. Wild!
> The upper stage is continuing to grow and will take on more and more of the delta V load. This means the booster doesn’t have to do as much work and they think the booster will end up doing as little as 100 seconds of burning! Not much time compared to their current rockets
> Elon predicting 3 to 4 years to land a Starship on Mars. In my opinion, Mars (and the moon for that matter) depends on SpaceX proving out orbital refueling. This will be the long pole due to the need for rapidly reusable / re-flyable tankers.
> Elon is still thinking about ocean based launch platforms saying “3 or 4 times a day would even be too much for the cape”. They intend to launch Starship 1,000+ times a year. A hard number to fathom currently, but seeing the trend of Falcon 9, you can begin to imagine this
> Now talking about the @PolarisProgram and the space suit. No new information, but fun to be reminded of how exciting SpaceX's first EVA (extra vehicular activity / spacewalk) will be!
> Going back to launch pads, he did sneak in a "greenfield" launchpad at the Cape in Florida. This tracks with what we know about SpaceX trying to expand their presence at the cape. I think this is all hinging on SpaceX "figuring out" the full stack flights from Starbase
> Some talk about point to point transportation of Starship. The most notable thing said was that you wouldn't need bathrooms since it's only a half hour flight
> Elon thinks we're less than 10 years from being able to have an IAC in space. That's certainly optimistic, but technically they could host it now with a very small number of people if they wanted to, just hard to get attendance at 50 ish million dollar barrier of entry.

>>15789994
we're talking about telescopes built into starships

>>15789996
sure, and I was the one asking >>15789978, but, see >>15789985
and yeah, a telescope on starship that points to earth wouldn't make much sense, I guess. on starlink, otoh

>>15789997
there might be a use case for some rudimentary cameras tacked onto starlinks, but definitely no telescopes

Rocket Lab opens engine facility in former Virgin Orbit headquarters, LMI gets $98 million contract for space wargaming software, NASA expands purchase of commercial Earth-observation data with latest award
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https://spacenews.com/rocket-lab-opens-engine-facility-in-former-virgin-orbit-headquarters/
> LONG BEACH, Calif. — Rocket Lab has opened a new engine development center in a building that, six months earlier, was the headquarters of a competing launch company, Virgin Orbit.
> Rocket Lab held a ribbon-cutting ceremony Oct. 4 for its Engine Development Center here. The 13,400-square-meter facility will be used for production of both the Rutherford engines used on its Electron rocket and larger Archimedes engines it is developing for the Neutron rocket.
> The new Rocket Lab facility also benefits the city of Long Beach, which has made a concerted effort in recent years to attract space companies to the city, including Rocket Lab as well as Relativity Space, SpinLaunch and Vast, under an initiative called “Space Beach”. Virgin Orbit had been the first, setting up that facility when it was still a division of Virgin Galactic.
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https://spacenews.com/lmi-gets-98-million-contract-for-space-wargaming-software/
> The contract is for LMI’s Rapid Analysis and Prototyping Toolkit for Resiliency, used by national security space agencies
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https://spacenews.com/nasa-expands-purchase-of-commercial-data-with-latest-award/
> The maximum value of the contracts is $476 million over five years
> SAN FRANCISCO — In a dramatic expansion of the Commercial Smallsat Data Acquisition Program, NASA announced Oct. 2 that seven companies will compete for contracts with a maximum value of $476 million over five years.
> Airbus DS Geo, Capella Space, GHGSat, Maxar, PlanetiQ, Spire Global and Umbra were selected under the fixed-price, indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity contract to provide Earth observation data and services

When will Elon Musk be talking at the International Astronautical Congress

>>15790027
he already did >>15789558

>>15789987
Damn this has already been a year ago?

>>15790028
no mention of telescope project? :(

CesiumAstro, Hughes and SES demonstrate active phased array terminal, China wants a lunar satellite constellation to support deep space missions
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https://spacenews.com/cesiumastro-hughes-and-ses-demonstrate-active-phased-array-terminal/
> SAN FRANCISCO – CesiumAstro demonstrated its latest Ka-band active phased array terminal with the help of a Hughes software-defined modem and an SES geosynchronous satellite.
> “It was quite an accomplishment for our team to go in 18 months from essentially a sketch to building a product that connected the first time to a GEO satellite,” Sabripour said.
> In addition to in-flight connectivity, CesiumAstro plans to offer phased array terminals for military ground vehicles and, ultimately perhaps, cars.
---
https://spacenews.com/china-wants-a-lunar-satellite-constellation-to-support-deep-space-missions/
> BAKU, Azerbaijan — China’s space authorities want to build an expansive, three-stage communication, navigation and remote sensing network to facilitate deep space operations.
> The constellation would consist of spacecraft stationed in circumlunar space and Earth-moon lagrange points, expanding to form interplanetary staging stations and orbiting spacecraft.
> Version 3.0 envisions a basic deep space communication and navigation system. This system would provide a Mars and Venus network in addition to the lunar infrastructure. Connectivity would be provided through high-speed laser links.

>>15790032
He did, that's why people are talking about this in this thread.

>>15790032
yes he mentions it >>15789618
should be about 20minutes in

PLD Space Prepare for Third Attempt at Maiden Miura 1 Flight (suborbital rocket), Russia blames Luna-25 crash on computer glitch
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https://europeanspaceflight.com/pld-space-prepare-for-third-attempt-at-maiden-miura-1-flight/
> Spanish launch startup PLD Space has announced that it has kicked off a launch campaign to perform the maiden flight of its suborbital Miura 1 rocket.
> The company’s first attempt to launch the maiden flight of Miura 1 on 31 May was abandoned due to high winds. The second on 17 June was automatically aborted just 0.2 seconds before liftoff. According to PLD Space, a delay of 0.1 seconds in the release of one of the rocket’s umbilicals was the cause of the last-second abort.
> The flight will be launched from El Arenosillo Experimentation Centre in Huelva, Spain. The company has reserved launch windows in October and November, with the exact date of the launch expected to be announced approximately 24 hours prior to liftoff.
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https://spacenews.com/russia-blames-luna-25-crash-on-computer-glitch/
> WASHINGTON — Russia says its first lunar lander mission in nearly half a century crashed in August because of faulty commands in an onboard computer during a maneuver.
> Luna-25 was the first mission to the moon by Russia or the former Soviet Union since the Luna-24 sample return mission in 1976. Luna-25 encountered years of development delays, and the European Space Agency dropped out of participating on the mission after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.
> Yuri Borisov, head of Roscosmos, said the agency would continue its lunar exploration efforts. “No one is going to fold their arms, and we are determined to continue the lunar program,” he said in a translated statement. “Moreover, we are considering the possibility of shifting the Luna-26 and Luna-27 missions to the left in order to get the results we need as quickly as possible.” He did not offer a revised schedule for those future missions.

>>15789618
>meant for ground observatory at first
REEEEEEEEE

>>15789973
>>15789976
Never mind, later on in the interview he says "in 4 or 5 years, when we are launching once a day..." lol. Still kind of strange for him to expect a mars mission 4 years out if he expects daily launches 4 years out.

>>15790049
cheaper to just plop it on a Starship instead of designing something specially for it

>>15790052
why?

>>15789974
>space telescopes that are integrated into Starship
everything old is new again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXsLK9q0tSI

>>15789901
TSMT

>>15789887
Elon has this strange effect where people are either delusional against or in favor of him.

>>15789934
Im assuming this is dwarf planets and dwarf planet candidates so heres my list.
Ceres, Vesta, Pluto, Eris, Haumea, Quaoar, technically Charon since they orbit a barycenter, Gonggong, Sedna, and Orcus. That would be the 10 I can name off the top of my head, and most of those are KBOs

>>15789974
Kys redditard. YWNBAW

>>15790056
why would they be able to launch once a day in 4 years yet not do a mars mission?

>>15789629
So we're looking at 12-16 years

>>15790071
Not so much a strange effect as a battle over cognitive dissonance.

Elon doesn't need public support to either succeed or fail. He's a billionaire and so far removed from any of our considerations we're basically plebs of Rome (based Roman town crier poster) hearing the whims of nobility. Elon's personal failings are hard to ignore for some people while others are willing to ignore them as long as he keeps winning (i.e. being a visionary and spurring his companies on to develop new technologies).

You can cheer on SpaceX without having to cheer on Elon if you so desire. Gwynne is by all accounts incredible at her job, as well as many of the people working for her.

>>15790087
different parallel problems
launching daily is a logistical problem that depends on how the factories are running, do you have other infrastructure to support that
developing crew stuff, propellant manufacturing for a mars mission you don't need daily launches or vice versa, developing ISRU propellant manufacturing for Mars isn't going to help with Earth logistics for launch
on top of this you have a mars transfer window every 26 months, so that is going to limit when you can do the mars mission

>>15789974
That's just poorly written fan-fiction. I don't believe for a second that they actually have an inside source. Because what they've said is exactly the same ideas that /sfg/ and twitter and everywhere else came up with. They're fucking obvious ideas, and completely useless without an actual energinerring concept.
Yes he has a friend, but instead of saying something new like "it's undergoing a design review" or "6 meter off axis" he just teased stale vague ideas. Providing nothing to prove real inside information.

>>15789987
>>15789988
The reality is the idea seems to have fizzled out. There has been nothing new said about it in years.

>>15790106
> The reality is the idea seems to have fizzled out. There has been nothing new said about it in years.
Musk just mentioned it in the talk, the lens diameter and the lens originally being for a ground based telescope was new info to me at least

>>15790106
I like your realistic take, however if the idea has fizzled out, why did Elon mention it today? Picrel is JWST inspection day

>>15790133
Women were a mistake. Never treat them as an equal because they are children

>>15790133
Spaceflight?

>>15790133

>>15790133
b-b-b-based!

>>15790110
That's not new either.
https://www.universetoday.com/153339/orbital-launch-in-january-elon-musk-updates-his-vision-for-spacexs-starship/
“This is taking a ground-based lens — a lens that was intended for a ground-based telescope — and creating a space-based telescope with it,”
From 2 years ago. He also even mistakenly said lens instead of mirror again.

It also puts a pin in the whole idea of making loads of these, as there is only one lab making them regularly and they each take years. There are so few mirrors at this scale you could figure out which one it is claimed to be.

>>15790116
I don't know, but repeating the same vague statements from years ago doesn't convinced me that it's alive. The fact that nothing seems to progress doesn't seem to be compatible with a real evolving project. I suspect it's more of an aspiration.

>>15790133
She isn't wrong. Every meme he tweets, every tweeter he retweets is from the right. He should stop pretending and come out of the closet already.

>>15790133
Women are not important

>>15790149
They aren't far right positions.

>Transporter-9 is now NET November
Space jannies fear the aethersail.

>>15790136
correct

Spaceflight? Science?

>>15790164
I wonder what will get it bumped this time.

>>15790174
government shutdown blocking launch licenses (the current CR runs out in November and the House can't pass a new one until they elect a Speaker)

one day starlinks wont burn up in the atmosphere. they'll be re-usable and upgradable. x-37b's but starlinks.

>>15790164
Source? Why can't the glowies just let us have this.

>>15790184
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/6810

The FWS can't keep getting away with it

>>15790185
I do wonder where they're getting this info, but still, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>15789974
NOOOOO YOU CANT JUST DO THAT!!!

IT NEEDS TO BE ONE OFF TELSCOPE COSTING TENS OF BILLIONS PER TELESCOPES!!!

Holy fuck the russians finally beat the chinks at something
https://x.com/bsf42069/status/1690789859902767104

>>15790164
Fuck, it's never gonna launch is it? I wanna know what the next cope is gonna be when it doesn't work.

>>15789995
>Elon is still thinking about ocean based launch platforms saying “3 or 4 times a day would even be too much for the cape”. They intend to launch Starship 1,000+ times a year.
B-B A S E D

>>15790144
god damn it

>>15790133
Elon posts on /sfg/, Elon is /sfg/ related

KEK

>>15790133
>Yes Grimes in fact I post on /sfg/ between every meeting

>>15790213
>Elon who is Krystal and why do you have 3GB of pictures of her on your phone?
>uhhhhhhhhhhh

>>15790214
>why all of the sudden do you keep talking about total earther death and why you can go anywhere with a Starship? Elon?

>>15790201
wow, crazy shit lmao

if Elon really posted on /sfg/ he would support total zigger death

>>15789831
You aren't doing a minimum energy Hohmann transfer from Mars to Jupiter dumbass, you're using your spare delta V to overburn and do a fast transit.

>>15789899
Formed between Saturn and the ice giants and got kicked onto a wide orbit in the early solar system

>>15789934
we need to reduce the number of asteroids to something more reasonable

>>15790261
Just drop them on Venus and Alabama.

>>15789957
Playtex made the Apollo moon suits

>>15790144
>He also even mistakenly said lens instead of mirror again.
I, as a Musk critic, will have a field day with this little mistake he made

>>15790144
Guess he found it ain't that easy is optics after all.

>>15790273
your picture depicts a bizarre technological device

>>15790268
Musk is a retard. I hate him.

>>15790275
It would appear to be some manner of mechanism.

>>15790281
some kind of contraption?

>>15790052
humans to Mars needs to wait for high confidence that Starship can do Mars EDL reliably, which means at least one sinode needs to happen before the first Mars mission with crew. Ideally Starship will be doing Earth EDL very reliably and SpaceX will be able to send 10 or more Starships to Mars at the next window. If an acceptable number of those Starships land with no issues, the crew mission could follow up one sinode later.
Next window is late 2024, and the window after that is end of 2026. Probably won't be ready to blitz Mars with unmanned Starships by next year though, so likely first landing of people in 2028, only 5 years away (I felt a sensation of sand falling out of my hands when I considered that 5 years is an entire 20th of my optimistic life span as I wrote this, lol lmao).

>>15790281
Mechanism indeed

>>15790060
>Everything that made objective sense to engineers who cared about getting things done still makes objective sense to engineers who care about getting things done

>>15790136
does that make me a pedo?

>>15790289
stop making sense. We need SLS and Lunar Getaway

>>15790268
2 videos definitely, 3 videos maybe

>>15790253
The trajectory Mars-Jupiter is still longer than the Earth-Jupiter one so the latter still has a shorter transit time. And Earth still has the shorter synodic period. There are advantages to being closer to the sun.

>>15790149
being right of the extreme left isn't being far right.

>>15790294
This is why colonizing LVO as a waypoint is still valuable. You get a combination of cheapo transfer from Earth and fast transfers everywhere else.

>>15790299
If ISRU was available there you'd be right but....

>>15790294
It's not a longer trajectory if you're planning to overburn, because you let the "ideal" window pass you by, allow the planets to get closer, and then do your overburn to get your intercept.

Sinode is longer but Mars doesn't have Earth's industrial base or population so not being able to ejaculate 1000 Starships at Jupiter every 2.5 years isn't a real problem.

>>15790305
It still sort of is if you can import hydrogen from somewhere (maybe in water or methane form) and then use the atmospheric CO2 and cheap electricity. CO2 is a big heavy molecule and Venusian solar electricity is retarded cheap so you can still arbitrage it with the right infrastructure.

>>15790305
Total Venus Surface Imager Dirigible Probe.
NOW.

>>15790308
Sounds like a lot of logistics bullshit to fuck around with. Pass.

Wind power

>>15790309
No one gives a flying fuck about Venus and it depresses me

>>15790312
>Sounds like a lot of logistics bullshit to fuck around with.
It's useful for the longer term for colonizing the whole system (assuming we don't just get QI aethersails first lol) but yeah, not near term.

>>15790314
I need a nuclear powered hot air balloon not these 10 minute missions

>>15790306
>It's not a longer trajectory if you're planning to overburn, because you let the "ideal" window pass you by, allow the planets to get closer, and then do your overburn to get your intercept.
True, but that goes for Earth too. I doubt that Jupiter will be reached by chemical rockets from either Mars or Earth anyway, it needs something that can make the trip in a year or less for crew health.

>>15790313
Lunar wind power
Pluto solar power

>>15790314
pecause it sounds like penus.

>>15790319
I think NASA should name their next mission proposal My Venus Weanus just so people shitposting about the name raises awareness.

>>15790316
Seriously. DAVINCI is cool because something is better than nothing but come on. The scientific gain of the mission could be literally doubled (if not tripled) by making the thing survive at least 24 hours instead of “might not even make it to impact XD”

>I have to imagine Gene Kranz is on his way to Alabama about to go full John Wick on some folks
https://twitter.com/DrChrisCombs/status/1710016803684888649

>>15790326
TOTAL SOUTHERNER DEATH
SHERMAN DID NOTHING WRONG

>15790326(((you)))
Quit posting this fag already

>>15790316
ENTER

>>15790327
To the airlock with you, nigger.

>>15790326
>CSS alt account
Fuck off

Twitter baiters get the airlock.

>>15790341
I truly didn't know it was that looneys alt account :(

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1710030818897281290

Somewhat related (SEC is suing Musk over Twitter/X, DOJ has also sued SpaceX and both the SEC and DOJ and other entities have gone after TEsla), but if some kind of overhaul into agencies happens and a punitive commission on top of it, could those measures be taken against the FAA, FWS and FCC too?
the FCC has acted weirdly in some cases with respect to Starlink if I recall, first giving subsidies through some program that is for giving internet access to underserved rural areas, but then kind of arbitrarily withdrawing it
100% sounds kind of certain, but who knows

>>15790354
its not, its just a EDS prof that shitposts about Musk a lot
people having EDS isn't exactly rare these days, though the likes of CSS and thunderfoot were on that wagon before the latest opinion shift of the public or normies due to Twitter/X and Musk being more outspoken politically

>>15790359
FTC is also suing.

All the agencies are being weaponized against him right now.

>>15790365
for what? I'm losing track

>>15790366
For talking to journalists who released the twitter files. Its all political shits.

>>15790369
lol

We are in the future now.

>>15790372
This happened a day ago. We're in the past now.

Musk is collecting lawsuits from 3 letter agencies like Pokemon

Stokes rocket is called Nova, announced new 100 million funding round

>>15790359
>>15790365
Also dont forget Boring Company, which was founded in CA but due to politics, they would not allow Boring Company to build tunnels and the company was put in regulatory hell for years.

Good thing they moved the company to TX and built their loop in Vegas. Now thats expanding to 50+ stations and 40+ miles of public transport station.

>>15790359
Yikes his comments are concerning, here he is asking for punitive action against individual people that work for the government and wanted to sue him,

>>15790377
https://www.stokespace.com/stoke-space-series-b/

>>15790372
Weirdest camper I've ever seen

>>15790384
> We intend to use the funding to finance the development of our first stage rocket engine and structure, the orbital version of our reusable second stage, and new construction at the historic Launch Complex 14 at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, Fla. Launch Complex 14 is most well- known as the launch site of NASA’s Mercury-Atlas 6 flight in 1962, piloted by NASA Astronaut John Glenn as part of NASA’s Project Mercury. Glenn was the first American to orbit the Earth. Stoke has been granted dedicated use of Launch Complex 14 by the US Space Force for its orbital flights.

> In addition to announcing new funding in Stoke, Lapsa revealed the name of the company’s rocket: Nova. The term “nova” refers to an astronomical event in which a new star is born from the combination of remnants of old stars, “Our vehicle designs build on the ideas and achievements of prior generations. The name Nova is a way to honor that past heritage while looking ahead to a very exciting future,” Lapsa explained.

cool

>>15790387
It's a hardshell teepee with a built in methane heater.

>earth is 70% water
No Elon, you fucking liar, it's not

>>15790372
> destroys your drone

>>15790392
time to debunk it, 30min video minimum

Elon Musk should reach out to Joe Biden

>>15790354
Kys aitard.
>>15790393
Whats with the spacing after arrow.

>>15790397
Wait... do you actually think the astronaut suicide pictures are AI?

AI bros..... we're winning.

>>15789846
Tesla self driving module will handle the docking

>>15789995
Sheetz has some notes as well

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1709929256376271255

> Musk says he doesn't want to set expectations "too high" for the second Starship full-stack launch, noting the new hot-staging separation approach.
> Musk: "If the engines light, and [Starship] doesn't blow itself up during stage sep, then I think we've got a decent change of reaching orbit."
> Musk: "I think there's a good chance we start deploying Starlink V3 satellites next year, roughly a year from now."
>"Hardest about" Starship is landing successfully, so "we can start launching satellites before that."
> Musk, on the lunar Starship variation for HLS, says he's "sort of optimistic" that the rocket can land on the moon "with minor modifications" compared to landing on the Earth or Mars.
> Musk, on using Starship as a space station: "The volume of the Starship fairing is roughly comparable to the volume of the International Space Station."
>"You could do what you're doing on the space station on a Starship, if you want."

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1710048360793776224

New post. 70 launch so far this year.

>>15790405

>>15790405

>>15790387
Id try it

>>15790406
>make space more accessible and ultimately life multiplanetary

Is it just me or does this seem like a worrying toning down of the ambition. It used to just be 'making life multiplanetary', but this new thing infers it will happen maybe at some indeterminate point in the future rather than as THE primary objective.

>>15790413
The point of contention isn't SpaceX. Its the 3 letter agencies targeting Musk and his companies that are intent on slowing down, harassing, delaying, stopping his companies, and henceforce the future of humanity is put into jeopardy by petty local politics.

>>15790413
its PR speak

>>15790359
>I estimate the probability at 100%
That's a remarkable degree of confidence. What's ole musky cooking behind the scenes?
>>15790383
Yes, and?

>>15790383
Good. Making bureaucrats take personal responsibility for their crimes is the fastest way to make them stop committing new ones.

>>15789867
I hope the faggot with the drone gets a hefty fine

>>15790437
it was probably a SpaceX (or Tesla) employee for the photoshoot
flying drones around there is illegal for the general public

>>15790144
>>15789974
So it seems some astronomers and engineers have done some work on the concept, a few presentations were given at SPIE a month ago. But the progress is not much to behold. It's mostly just a collection of random ideas and few choices, they have an optical design (6.5 meter TMA) but no spacecraft or instruments. It's very basic, the only element actually designed is the mirror. All the technical work seem to have been focused on whether or not active optics could get one of these mirrors to diffraction limit.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.04934

There's also no implication I can see that they have funding, there is no timeline. It seems to be just calculations so far and not hardware envelopment. Lots of mission concepts are proposed similarly in this journal, most do not happen. It's more of a white paper than a mission proposal. There is no cost study, but the goal statement in the introduction would suggest they believe costs could be driven down to hundreds of millions to a billion.

>>15790443
damn that is a long list of authors

>>15790446
>>15790443
Paul Perlmutter is there as well and this was submitted on Sep 10, so its very recent
I think you could call this somewhat active?

>>15790451
As a study, yes. But it's not a mission without funding. Sadly there are many more great concepts than slots. This one is also a bit of an ugly duckling in that it is too big and too risky to fit remaining ESA or NASA opportunities. Private funding is possible, but it's not easy.

>>15790458
Musk could fund one and then mass produce 10 of them just to show what is possible
maybe SpaceX could even do it to show the business case

Thunderfoot debunks elon musk so hard. Im personally waiting for the adults in the room to take over like jeff bezos.

>>15790383
>Yikes
>concerning
Why do you talk like this?

>>15790471
He thinks it's funny instead of gay

https://twitter.com/NASA_Orion/status/1709939559101084033

> The engine to push us to the Moon!
>Teams at @NASAKennedy are completing final inspections of external insulation on the service module that will propel astronauts on the #Artemis II mission around the Moon.

Good morning /sfg/. How was Elon's presentation? What did I miss out on can't be fucked to read the thread.

>>15790493
underpowered, puny piece of shit

>>15790497
S25 was destacked, and scaffolding returns to the OLM. In summary, its over.

World’s largest space conference succeeds in making a Starship update boring, India hopes reforms will make it a global space hub
----
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/10/worlds-largest-space-conference-succeeds-in-making-a-starship-update-boring/
> In a much-anticipated Starship Q&A, no one asked about the stuff we all want to know.
> It's unclear whether there were any ground rules for Musk's participation in the IAC session on Thursday. But Mowry's questions missed the mark at a time when the Starship program is at a critical point, and he didn't probe with follow-up questions to tease out more insightful answers.
> In August, the NASA official who oversees the Artemis program said the space agency might look at diverting the Artemis III mission to pursue other objectives if the Starship lander isn't ready as it nears the current target launch date at the end of 2025.
> Despite these concerns, the Starship Moon lander barely got a mention Thursday. "Obviously you need legs, but I suspect you can land the ship with minor modifications on the Moon," Musk said. This would have been a good place to ask a follow-up.
> Six years later, we're a year closer to Mars
> At that meeting six years ago, Musk said he hoped to launch the BFR to Mars as early as 2022, five years in the future. Now, Mars could be four years away, according to Musk.
> It's also not unrealistic to assume attendees who traveled from around the world to a space conference in Baku on the Caspian Sea know about Starship. It would have been more meaningful to use a conference that describes itself as the "world's premier global space event" as a platform for something new, not another high-level Starship overview.
---
https://spacenews.com/india-hopes-reforms-will-make-it-a-global-space-hub/
> BAKU, Azerbaijan — The Indian government is continuing a series of reforms aimed at increasing private involvement in the space sector and attracting global capital.

>>15790493
just read the greentext posts from here >>15789586 down about 50 posts

>>15790506
meant for>>15790497

>>15790497
I don't think there was any new information other than some vague guesses for timelines, in retrospect almost pointless
Stephen Clarke wrote a pretty long and comprehensive article about it>>15790504
Everyday astronaut has some notes>>15789995
As does Sheetz >>15790404

and I tried to write some stuff down while listening, a lot of the info is the same in all of the summaries
>>15789586
>>15789597
>>15789605
>>15789608
>>15789618
>>15789628
>>15789637
>>15789642
>>15789649
>>15789654
>>15789664
>>15789667
>>15789675

tl:dr nothing

>>15790503
>>15790510
>>15790515
ty bros

Washington reusable rocket startup Stoke Space raises $100 million, Vector Atomic Delivers Atomic Gyroscope to DIU
---
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/05/reusable-rocket-startup-stoke-space-raises-100-million.html
>Washington-based startup Stoke Space raised $100 million in new funds, the company announced Thursday, to develop a fully reusable rocket called “Nova.”
> “The priority is to be able to keep the pedal to the metal and continue to develop in order to get to market as soon as possible and really fortify what is still a very fragile commercial space economy,” Stoke co-founder and CEO Andy Lapsa told CNBC.
> Stoke’s fresh backing comes weeks after the company successfully completed a low altitude flight test of its prototype “Hopper2.”
> Founded in 2019, Stoke had previously raised $75 million to date. A company spokesperson declined to comment on Stoke’s post-money valuation.
> “The priority is to be able to keep the pedal to the metal and continue to develop in order to get to market as soon as possible and really fortify what is still a very fragile commercial space economy,” Stoke co-founder and CEO Andy Lapsa told CNBC.
> Stoke is developing Nova to be a “medium” class rocket that can deliver 5,000 kilograms to low Earth orbit. That puts Nova in the middle of the launch market, between Rocket Lab’s “light” Electron and SpaceX’s “heavy” Falcon 9 in terms of capability.
> “We’re trying to position ourselves to provide the best value to the satellite industry, in order to really shorten the time from factory to revenue,” Lapsa said.
---
https://payloadspace.com/vector-atomic-delivers-atomic-gyroscope-to-diu/
> The most accurate clock in the world will pass 50B years before it falls a single second behind.

>>15790493
$110 MILLION to refurb what was literally one of two Shuttle OMS engines, because yknow, reusing hardware will lower costs :^)

https://twitter.com/BellikOzan/status/1710046617762668603

What did he mean by this? Is this going to be cheaper to run than Starship?

>>15790533
If it's fully reusable and smaller? Potentially.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub-Tgb3FIUY

Nobody watches these Mars Society proceedings. It's really fucking sad.

>>15790394
>seethe about the hyperloop 11 years later

>>15790359
Someone in that thread posted that this is because there's an SEC rule that says that if you acquire more than 5% stake in a company, you have 11 days to disclose it to the SEC and also not take any actions that will upset the value of that state related to the market (push it up or push it down). He was subpeonaed because he bought a 9.2% stake in Twitter and inside that disclosure period, tried to make an offer to Twitter for acquisition. Which is blatant market manipulation. It's also one of the most basic rules of stake acquisition that SEC has, apparently, like within the first 10 things you are required to do by law when you buy 5% or more of a company.

So they subpeona'd him, expected that he'd show up at the court date to explain "wtf Elon?" But he didn't. So now they're suing him for essentially both cases. Their case here is legitimate, and him trying to paint how its an overreach is entirely in bad faith.

>>15790548
lol

>>15790504
>didn't ask any follow up questions
WELL OBVIOUSLY, the existence of the platform is such a massive threat to every government space agency on the planet, that any extra details about how it will function, is going to further fuck with their plans already. Better to not know anything and get caught afoot, then screw the tax payer later in how you need even more money to get to the reusability milestone you set out than to find out now, and learn that everything you've done is fucked anyway and you can't make the tax payer hold the bag as easily.

It's going to take the better part of the decade for the world this platform to succeed, but its obvious that everyone is fucking scared. They're struggling to compete with where SpaceX was with Falcon 9, 10 years ago and their vision to compete with SpaceX and Falcon 9 from 8 years ago won't materialize until 2030 minimum. And now this autist is like "yeah, we're going to make a reusable Saturn V class vehicle where all stages are recovered, costs in the ballpark of a Falcon Heavy, and our goal is to launch it 1,000x every 2-3 years." The cost and regulatory challenges aside, in the off chance this succeeds even 10%, that's 100 launches a year which gives SpaceX the upmass capability of 10,000T to orbit.

That kind of upmass capability would bankrupt nations if they tried to do it using expendable hardware.

>>15789718
What a retard

>>15790554
All government actions are political. There is no point whatsoever in playing by the "rules" they have set for you.

how the fuck does stephen clark write 5000 words a day

>>15790524
WOW YET ANOTHER LAUNCH STARTUP
we need payloads not rockets

>>15790582
I don’t know who that is but that’s not hard. Do you have honest to god autism, OCD, ADHD or something? I write probably 8,000+ words a day alone for my shitty wagie job I’m not even exaggerating
2,000 words was considered a “short daily article” for my college newspaper

>>15789819
I'd drive over there and kick your ass but I'm waiting for favorable topography so I can coast downhill the whole way.

>>15789637
>Q: when is first human landing on mars?
>> 3-4 years

>>15790591
i ask because i do 500 words a day on a subject i know in depth and it takes all day

>>15790613
What’s the subject? If it’s math or chem or bio or something I would maybe understand. I would only get like 700-1000 for my geochem studies on an average day, to be fair to you

>>15790613
normies write bullshit unfiltered and it comes naturally to them so its easy for them to fill any word count. Its hard to write the expected amount if you actually carefully pre plan what you are going to write and assemble it in your head. its best to bullshit and fillibuster like an average normie.

>>15790610
its elon time so you need to 10x any numbers he gives. Thats the blackpill. Unironically humans on the moon by 2037 and humans on mars by 2065

>>15790591
stephen clarke is the newish space reporter on arstechnica alongside eric berger
writes about half of the articles now

>>15790548

>>15790626
better just to write and edit it than try to think it through in your head
writing it out will help you think of new things simultaneously as well, the piece will be better

>>15790627
I don't think elon time is 10x, 2-3x maybe

>>15790618
music industry

>>15790629
Oh kek I knew that I’m just an idiot
As an aside. I hope the other anon who mentuirk r they had a 10/5 birthday is as drunk as I am right now

>>15789867
that drone is fucking expensive as hell btw
if its the model i think it is, its like 20k

>>15789718
Chris Combs (known homosexual)

>>15790585
Stoke is important because they are doing R&D on a unique method.

Vega chan flies tomorrow.
She still hasn't got an anime girl.
Can some skilled anon please make something quick with Dall-e or SD?

>>15790729
All I’m saying here is that it would be fucking beyond hilarious if it failed and I would be so, so, SO entertained

>>15790737
It carries some thai sats, so no big loss.

>>15790756
It’s the implication. Yet another year+ grounding and complete loss of domestic euro launch capability

>>15790737
Friday is going to be wild. Europe might be about lose it's last working launch vehicle, a load of rich people are going to risk death with Virgin Galactic, and Amazon is going to burn an Atlas V to get a pair of Kuiper prototypes into orbit. This is going to be one of the most eventful days we've had in a while.

>>15790761
how many atlas v bodies are left?

>>15790729
I tried*

*the computer tried

>>15790764
NTA and idk off the top of my head but it’s well documented on wikipedia
Look up atlas v and just check the scheduled flight list. Let me know what it is, I’m curious too!
P.S. I find it hilarious that oldpsace rockets are so gay that you can document each flight like 10 years ahead of schedule. Meanwhile Falcon 9 (and eventually starship) can’t be bothered to have a manifest launch table because they fly so often / so fast

>>15790764
It looks like seventeen, unless I'm dumb at counting.

>>15790372
how much do shills get paid to post these pics in this thread? I want to know because I wish I got paid for shitposting and for some esporadic shilling

>>15790790
$0 because there is no reason to shill in the elon fanclub thread.
That was sarcasm by the way.
(It's important to communicate subtle social cues to the learning disabled.)

>>15790767
The average delay between a commercial launch getting announced and lifting off the pad is about 24 months. Most of that is because it takes a while to build a big custom telecommunications satellite and the operator will want to get a press release out as soon as they can to fluff their stock price. NASA missions take forever because it's impossible for JPL to build something quickly. I think JWST was assigned to an Ariane 5 in 2006. Starlink doesn't need to appease shareholders and the earliest they need to alert anyone is a NOTAM a week or two ahead of T-0.

>>15790792
so, do you come from reddit or some shit? I feel like you do. you write like a fag and your shit is all retarded

>>15790317
Martians have the advantage of much less gravity to accelerate away from, which means higher speeds and bigger ships, big enough to have significant spin gravity. Toss a 10Mwe fission reactor in there and a water propellant electric thruster and there's your Jupiter pioneers.

I just asked Elon (I work at SpaceX and took this picture of him today) if he ever posts on /sfg/ and he said yes. Also he says anime is gay and Krystal is based.

>>15790761
I’m sorry to use the lord’s name in vein but god damn, it’s CRAZY looking at this rocket and knowing my first reaction is “holy shit it took so much effort to get this thing ready” when it would otherwise just be an average manifest for a Falcon 9
The difference between SpaceX and everybody else is simply astounding

>>15790830
>the lord’s name in vein

>>15790833
i’m unapologetically phoneposting and refuse to fight apple’s gay ass autocorrect

>>15790533
Cheaper than Falcon 9+Dragon at least. Don't exactly need a whole ass Starship every time just to carry some supplies to the ISS.

>>15790820
quit lying, the froyo flavor is coffee and Elon thinks anime is based even though he hasn't watched shit for anime (because he hasn't watched shit for anime, everybody knows all anime is trash)

>>15790850
Again, people confuse Starship. Starship launch will be cheaper than Falcon 9, not just on cost per KG but as a whole vehicle launch

>>15789675
Nice work anon

>>15789743
Airliners run in the 100s of millions
Need up to 8 crew
Four shiters
Can only make one 24 hrs flight a day

StarShip can cost less then 100 million
Zero crew
Amortize cost 4x faster
Claims cheaper fuel

Both need expensive landing areas

>>15789974
Glad to see people wanting to use StarShip correctly. Why bother with permanent LEO junk when you can land?

>>15790179
Dope, already growing in size, can use atmosphere to maneuver too like X-37.

>>15790388
Should merge or work with another soon to be obsolete small rocket manufacturer.

>>15790493
Artemis 2 is such a waste. Cost and deep space communication disruption is criminal.

>>15790763
Kill yourself.

>>15790868
speaking of which, cheap global (earth) flights with rockets when?

>>15790770
Boeing is going to get raped on those last ULA flights. Keeping the line hot for that long....