/sci/ - Science & Math

Dr. Robert Zubrin

Cyclohexylhydrazine and polymer-bound nitrous oxide using a full flow staged combustion cycle engine is the way to go. Imagine this, but safe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RD-270

Total Plover Death

>blocks your path to being a multiplanetary civilization

I want to be the first person to fuck an alien

>>15757783
You came to the wrong neighborhood motherfucker

>>15757778
I'll raise you: Edwin Eugene Aldrin Jr
>Apollo 11 astronaut Buzz Aldrin stated that he is "quite opposed to the Gateway" and that "using the Gateway as a staging area for robotic or human missions to the lunar surface is absurd". Aldrin also questioned the benefit of the idea of sending "a crew to an intermediate point in space, pick up a lander there and go down". Conversely, Aldrin expressed support for Robert Zubrin's Moon Direct concept which involves lunar landers traveling from Earth orbit to the lunar surface and back.

>>15757779
It will get worse performance across the board compared to methalox FFSC and we already have the latter so fuck you for trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist

>>15757792

>>15757792
>t. Elon Musk

>>15757797
was this after Tesla stopped taking payments from bitcoin?

>>15757814
and sold their BTC holdings yeah

>>15757820
they didn't sell all of them, just a bit to test the liquidity
they held for a number of years before they sold some recently I think

It's immoral to provide these remote tribes with Starlink, why would you expose them to the shitfest that is modern internet. It's going to ruin their societies when they see all this modern discourse

>>15757844
There's only one good place on the Internet. Sci and news.

Longer SpaceX keeps NASA out of "human rating" StarShip the better. Allows to much government strangulation. Lets partition to make the requirement to use a NASA astronaut on every flight not pass.

>>15757868
there might be multiple versions, the crew rated one being frozen and then the LEO payload version getting iterated rapidly

>>15757860
what fucking law? what the fuck?

FCC requires satellite constellation operators to mitigate effects on optical ground-based astronomy, CNBC article about SpaceX seeking to dismiss asylee lawsuit,
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https://spacenews.com/fcc-directing-more-satellite-constellations-to-mitigate-effects-on-astronomy/
> FCC directing more satellite constellations to mitigate effects on astronomy
> KIHEI, Hawaii — The Federal Communications Commission is requiring more operators of satellite constellations to work with astronomers to minimize the effects their satellites will have on ground-based astronomy.
> Both licenses now include provisions requiring the companies to coordinate with the National Science Foundation (NSF) “to achieve a mutually acceptable agreement to mitigate the impact of its satellites… on optical ground-based astronomy.” The companies are required to report to the FCC annually whether they have reached a coordination agreement with the NSF and what steps they have taken to mitigate the effects of their satellites on astronomy, unless the NSF concludes they have no concerns about those spacecraft.
> While the individual constellations of Iceye or Planet don’t pose risks to astronomy, given the small number of satellites compared to megaconstellations like Starlink, astronomers are concerned that large numbers of such constellations could, combined, interfere with astronomy.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/20/spacex-countersues-doj-in-hiring-discrimination-case.html
> SpaceX countersues Justice Department, seeking to dismiss hiring discrimination case
> Elon Musk’s SpaceX sued the U.S. Department of Justice in a Texas federal court, as the company aims to stop the DOJ’s hiring discrimination case on constitutional grounds.
> “SpaceX wants to hire the very best candidates for every job regardless of their citizenship status, and in fact has hired hundreds of noncitizens,” the company wrote in its complaint.

Chinese to launch Hubble clone

https://orbitalindex.com/archive/2023-09-20-Issue-236/#xuntian-a-readily-serviceable-space-telescope

> Xuntian, a readily serviceable space telescope. The Chinese Survey Space Telescope (CSST), also known as Xuntian (which translates to ‘survey the heavens’), is a 10+ ton, 14 m tall / 23.6 m wide spacecraft planned to launch in December 2024 to co-orbit with China’s Tiangong Space Station at a 340-450 km altitude.
> The telescope, with its 2 m diameter primary mirror, will image in the visible-ultraviolet wavelengths (255-1,000 nm), imaging galaxy cores, investigating the influence of dark matter, and studying the evolution of the Universe.
> It is an off-axis (Cook-type) three-mirror reflective optical telescope with carbon fiber housing components. Utilizing techniques demonstrated during the Tianzhou 3 cargo ship port relocation test in April 2022, Xuntian is equipped with multiple thrusters allowing it to autonomously rendezvous and dock with Tiangong’s core module’s forward hatch for repairs and refueling—making it just the second space telescope designed to be serviced in LEO after Hubble.
> It’s also comparable to Hubble in spatial resolution of about 2.43 gigapixels (thirty 81-megapixel detectors), but promises a 300-350x greater field-of-view, taking images of roughly 17,500 square degrees. When science operations commence in 2025, 70% of the telescope operation time will be dedicated to sky mapping. Xuntian is predicted to image 40% of the sky over its nominal operational lifetime of 10 years, which will likely be extended through maintenance and upgrades.
> Mounted on the Xuntian platform are 4 instruments: an integral field spectrometer, a multichannel imager, a terahertz receiver, and an exoplanet imaging coronagraph. Xuntian may also be tasked with Earth observation.

>>15757906
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xuntian

>>15757807
>the eternal coomer

>>15757906
The interesting thing is that it's going to co-orbit with their space station, which is obvious in hindsight (Hubble existed long before the ISS)

I wonder if the proposed Hubble boost will move it into the same orbit as any proposed ISS follow-on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHgrXKLTBR0

>>15757868
Human-rating is generally an addon to an already functional rocket and not a consideration in the original design, so I'm not worried NASA will want to meddle

All they need to do at this stage is monitor vibration and g-forces. Manual abort is going to be a shit show on a rocket that big

>>15757946
Hubble probably would have been co-orbital with Freedom before we had to involve the Russians.

>Load Up, Lift Off! We are excited to introduce Argo, our heavyweight cargo service to the ISS and future commercial space stations!
>Argo is the ship on which the Argonauts of Greek mythology sought the Golden Fleece. But we don't want to read too much into it...so: Argo is Cargo, but without the C-osts
>Stand by for more details about Argo in the coming days!

https://twitter.com/rfa_space/status/1704525834218881314?t=23w6q45G2BVlvos-3HiNzQ&s=19

>>15757963
Where’s the required 1 ton return capsule

>>15757968
Required by whom?

>>15757963
Is that some sort of docking adapter protector that doubles as a comms dish or something? You typically only see that in reusable capsules like Dragon and Shitliner, so I’m confused here

>>15757952

>>15757968
Oh shit that explains >>15757979
White part probably separates and re-enters

>An 'astro-stationary' starshade working with ground-based telescopes to detect exoplanets:
https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2022/Hybrid_Observatory_for_Earth_like_Exoplanets/
>The HOEE concept would block the light from an exoplanet's host star, leaving only the 10^10x weaker planetshine to filter through.
https://twitter.com/ToughSf/status/1704525830632984974

>>15757963
Launched on Ariane Sex or Falcon 9?

>>15757963
Is RFA planning on a bigger rocket? Because RFA-1 can only lift about 1300 kg to the ISS's orbit and that's not really what I'd call "heavyweight."

>>15757981
>>15757972
By ESA
>Candidates submitting CCTI bids will be working towards a demonstration mission that will need to be launched by 2028. Candidate vehicles will be required to deliver a minimum of 2 tonnes of cargo to the ISS and return at least 1 tonne back to Earth. If a company successfully completes that objective, the agency will follow up the initiative with actual service contracts.

>ESA is where NASA was 15 years ago
Jesus, I hate this place

>>15757984
Rfa is planning RFA one max with a ~2t* payload to LEO, used to be planning some reusable variant of rfa one a couple years ago, and is studying a New Glenn to Starship-class super heavy reusable launcher for ESA (protein). It seems they are also studying a medium launcher in light of this

>>15757986
The real question is what ESA's plans for a station are going to be after 2030. I doubt that they're going to be giving out commercial cargo contracts just for the last year and change of station operations.

>>15757963
I laugh every time I see a render like this because the ISS exterior cams are awful, grainy and old

>>15758002
If they were super silly they could just use Gateway as their replacement ISS and buy rides on a transport variant HLS. For LEO, though... Axiom using Thales to build their modules sure looks like a future-looking bet now

>>15757980
>6666

>>15757963
I thought germs were supposed to be the kings of industrial/graphic design. Their logo SUCKS

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1704541473830572515

This shit is so gay

>>15757779
How storable is it, and how does it compare to green monoprops? Weird ass propellant combinations are useless for launch vehicles, but may have some value for spacecraft. HAN-based monoprops have some flight history and theoretically solve the issues seen with hydrazine, but considering how badly Lunar Flashlight shit the bed, there may be room for more reliable alternatives.

>>15758133
he's saying use that for a starship sized vehicle lmao
proton is the largest rocket that uses (extremely corrosive) hypergolics and its not scalable to heavy or super heavy

>>15758089
>orders or magnitude
That’s a bingo!!

>cold as antarctica
>dry as sahara
>less then 1% of earths atmo
>no magnetosphere
is mars the ultimate reddit trap? Only thing better would be loading up every soiboy on earf (starting with musk) and send them straight on a one way trip to "colonize" venus surface

>>15758155
Said it before and I'll say it again: 'Mars' is just to inspire young people to work in the space industry. We're not going there in our lifetime or ever though.

>>15758134
>the proton isn't scalable
Not with that kind of an attitude it's not

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1704547991682527731

>>15758178
https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/19/doj-investigates-elon-musk-perks-at-tesla/?guccounter=1

One of them has to potentially do with this. Even if Musk never went through the plans involving it, if Tesla had procured large glass panes that cost more than $10k and cumulatively more than $100k, and not reported in their SEC filings, that's a violation. Just because you ultimately choose not to build something doesn't eliminate all the origination steps that occurred until you made that decision. This is made worse by the fact that Zach Kirkhorn was one of the people who raised objections, years prior to his recent stepping down.

It's true that Biden admin is hostile towards Musk, but it can also be true that Elon playing fast and loose is biting him in the ass again; a Twitter 2.0 situation wherein he signed away due diligence and couldn't get out of his purchase deal as a result, and any attempt to avoid it could have led to massive discovery on his phone which would have unraveled a lot of his plans for SpaceX, Tesla, Neuralink, etc.

>>15757804
Not it wouldn't. Some retards on here for some reason think of methalox as this god tier fuel in terms of performance and forgot it was chosen mainly based on factors that weren't tied to direct performance. You could get better across the board performance with plenty of hypergolic fuels. Problem there is reactivity, production and human health risks rather than performance. You could get an FFSC engine with both higher thrust and ISP using a denser and more energetic hypergolic fuel. Both nobody sane would want their reusable rockrt using a relatively expansive fuel that kills everything around it.

>>15758188
working with something toxic that explodes randomly will make iteration much slower as well but I think the main reason is basically just ISRU on Mars and the choices there are either hydrolox or methalox, working with methalox is easier so it was chosen

>>15758187
buying 100000 dollars of glass panes is the biggest nothingburger i've ever heard.
tesla literally buys billions of dollars of equipment for their gigafactories.
even if it wasn't properly filed this is less than nothing

>>15758194
>buying 100000 dollars of glass panes is the biggest nothingburger i've ever heard.
Faggot, the SEC disclosure is for when CEOs do it towards some personal pet project. You are required by law to disclose it if it goes above a threshold. It doesn't matter what you think, that's the law. If you don't like it, go change it.

>"Put down the $100k worth of glass panels RIGHT NOW! You are NOT permitted to procure those GET DOWN ON THE GROUND!"

>>15758188
>You could get an FFSC engine with both higher thrust and ISP using a denser and more energetic hypergolic fuel
Three times the thrust of a Raptor for only 75% of the chamber pressure. The isp does suffer a bit, but that could be improved.

>>15758199
>You are required by law, if you don't like it, go change it.
and yet the law is enforced only when the people in charge feel like it.

>>15758215
>SEC regulations require public companies to disclose those perks and other personal benefits provided to top executives if the total value is $10,000 or more. These can include reimbursement for housing, private security or airplane use.

Yes, the US GOV is infamous for selective applications of the law. That's not new.

Perhaps a little bribe will help the process at the FAA get along.

>>15758241

>>15758089
Connecting human brains to computers seems like exactly something which would raise the potential danger of AI. It's still an amazing piece of technology and I expect the next true technological leap (i.e. aerospace from 1900-1970, computers from 1960-2030) will come from the biotech sector as stuff like Neuralink and CRISPR go from niche to ubiquitous.

So Elon spend 100k of Tesla's money for himself and didn't report it?

>>15758264
>himself
Did he build a literal glass house?

>>15758260
NEED bicameral hivemind crew connected through neuralink controlling Starships and executing manual mars landings.

>>15758268
based

>>15758268
>bicameral
That word, you keep using it, it doesn't mean what you think it means

Kys now

>>15758260
To be a console cowboy jacking in to the matrix. It’ll get really crazy when things like rockets get their own sentient AI and you can interact with the actual “soul” of your vehicle in a conscious sort of way. This is obviously a long-term thing and will remain popsoi for a long time, but it can’t be written off as impossible

>>15758260
>Connecting human brains to computers seems like exactly something which would raise the potential danger of AI
I can personally guarantee that it'll lead to the greatest catastrophe ever experienced by mankind. That's alright though, because the results and reforms following that disaster will essentially guarantee your long-term survival.

https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1704563625413783912

>>15758297
You WILL be shown advertisements in your mind.

Reminder that meteors and nukes aren't existential threats, but AI is.

>>15758301
You have a very stunted imagination

>>15758304
you will be tortured for infinite subjective time

>>15758300
Man, Starlink sounds awesome for people who want to make their summer houses into more permanent living spaces.

>>15758274
I know the actual meaning is a mentality sepperating emotions and desires into the consequences of a god's actions. I'm just using the sci-fi term retard

>>15758308
You're too retarded to read properly and understand that we were on the same side of the issue, and you're essentially a chatbot that can only output memes

>>15758322
starlink is enabling urban flight, and that's good

>>15758350
I mean isn't that the worst possible situation that people are scared about? or getting mind controlled or something

>>15758354
Well yeah. Human-AI integration will rapidly lead to disaster, even before it's a widespread thing. ~90% of humanity dies, you get a watered-down butlerian jihad, and humans do well after that.

isn't this the singularity that scifi faggots talk about

>>15758365
youre retarded bro. suck my toes.

>>15758380
no singularity concerns superhuman artificial intelligence (artificial superintelligence, ASI)
or more specifically, after humans create AI that is about human level, usually called AGI (artificial general intelligence), then when that human level AGI can improve itself recursively, it will be exteremely difficult to forecast what will happen next i.e. we get technological singularity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
> The technological singularity—or simply the singularity[1]—is a hypothetical future point in time at which technological growth becomes uncontrollable and irreversible, resulting in unforeseeable changes to human civilization.[2][3] According to the most popular version of the singularity hypothesis, I. J. Good's intelligence explosion model, an upgradable intelligent agent will eventually enter a "runaway reaction" of self-improvement cycles, each new and more intelligent generation appearing more and more rapidly, causing an "explosion" in intelligence and resulting in a powerful superintelligence that qualitatively far surpasses all human intelligence.[4]

>>15758395
This may happen soon. We're at the end of history

>>15758408
Fuck off, Francis. You have been proven wrong enough times already.

>>15758275
>brb hacking the gibson.jpg

>>15758169
kek are those strap-on SRBs on the 3rd stage?

Do you guys prefer aerospike or RDEs?

>>15758456
personally, virtual aerospikes

This is the Canopée, the first sail propelled cargo ship. It's designed specifically to carry pieces of Ariane 6 from Europe to South America.

>>15758469
>Ariane 6 on board
Are there pirates that operate in the area? I hope the French Navy is escorting that thing.

>>15758421
The UR-700 was based on massively overgrown Proton architectures, so those would be lateral fuel tanks just like the Proton's first stage. I'm actually pretty sure that the third stage was supposed to be a version of the Proton S1 that had been cut down a bit, probably because six RD-275s would have been too much thrust to deal with. The size looks about right for that.

>>15758469
meme ship for meme payload
>>15758473
they gon steal aerospace grade materials I guess

Aerospike

>>15758478
commie aethestics aside, soviet rockets looked weird because of the size limitation imposed by their rail transportation system, same thing with the segmented SRBs the space shuttles use

>>15758473
Pirates operate mainly in the coast of Guinea and near Indonesia.

>>15757771
How much longer before we gaaaan?
Don't say "two weeks" give me a solid date and time

>>15758501
2 months, at least

>>15758501
https://polymarket.com/event/will-spacexs-starship-reach-outer-space-by

>>15758501
336 hours.

>>15758492
>transport
Is SpaceX the first to actually solve this problem with Starbase?

>>15758501
FWS has 135 days to finish their review so the worst case scenario is January 2024.

>>15758491
Mmm

>>15758501
sometime in october at the very earliest, but more likely december or january due to a new environmental review

>>15758501
please be patient we shan't put pressure on federal regulatory agencies.

>>15758517
Did you forget about Saturn V and VAB?

>>15758178
>look like mafia tactics
the "mafia" is a meme from jewish hollywood goyslop movies
the jews produce those movies to distract people from their own kosher criminal activities

>>15758529
Yeah, who cares. Nobody is gonna do anything about it anyway.

>>15758469
>first sail propelled cargo ship
This can't be real.

>>15758501
November at the earliest, April next year if it drags on as long as possible
so 5-25 weeks

>>15758549
Rediscovering ancient lost technology

>>15757844
for the funny
if our kids are on it, little niglets in africa should be getting addicted to tiktok too

>>15758518
135 days is 4.5 months so that would be february, not january
and you have to add time for the assessment that FAA has to do before it even sends anything to the FWS, FAA has to look at the report FWS gives, SpaceX has to apply for a license after that

>>15758555
Technically, they act more like wings, not sails.

>>15758456
Aerospikes. RDEs are objectively shit.

>>15758564
Oh God, it's so over.

>>15758491
why is the white part serrated like that?

>>15758568
best case scenario is that it could happen in november if FAA has already sent the stuff and FWS is quick about the assessment
November because FAA has said that they hope to finish a separate parallel process (safety stuff or something) by the end of october, which probably means its going to be just at the end of october, so the actual launch could be in november

>>15758469
Wow wind powered boats! Technology is amazing. What about steam-powered cars on tracks that would be so innovative

>>15758587
lol

https://twitter.com/JackKuhr/status/1704586423431561534

>>15758611
Literally how many of these fucking tests is Sierra going to do? This is like their 800th one

>>15758187
that cursed ""biography"" and that Isaacson goblin strikes again
https://twitter.com/sokane1/status/1701746851534524755/photo/1

>>15758630
> he put off building it
so it didn't happen (clearly, as we see no house)

>>15758575
To mix the the exhaust gas to reduce noise

>>15758630
Straight to jail for that one

>>15758623
801 isnt going to hurt.

>>15758521
But what if there's a budget shutdown?

This morning the crew for @NASAArtemis II suited up and traveled to @NASAKennedy to practice launch day procedures. During #Artemis II, the SLS rocket will send four astronauts inside @NASA_Orion on an approximately 10-day mission around the Moon.

What could they be up to?

>>15758611
I love inflatables

EARTHER (derogatory)

>>15758187
what is due diligence and how could have a lawsuit revealed the contents of his phone?

>>15758268
Peter Watts fanboy detected

>>15758700
Gawd damn they look fucking cool

>>15758751
A drive that runs off antimatter quantum teleported from Mercury would be pretty sweet though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-bP-sS8c2A

the robot in action

>>15758830
fuck wrong thread, ignore this

>>15758700
>we're wasting $2 billion dollars to send these 4 around the moon
Is NASA actually proud of this?

>>15758836
It gets Victor Glover out of the running for Artemis III. He's "diverse," but he's the type who'd pull an Apollo 8 reading from Genesis, so he's not the right kind of diverse. When NASA lands on the moon they want a guy who looks like a thug but talks like a white woman from HR.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1354862567680847876

>>15758821
>pop-science.jpg

>>15758836
Cheaper than Apollo (because this doesn't come with a lander)

Get in

>>15758721
By waiving his right to due diligence, his attempt to pull out of the deal with 2x the value of the company failed when he started complaining about how there were too many bots on the platform and therefore the company wasn't worth the $54 share price he said he'd buy it at. Regarding the contents of the phone, the Delaware Chancery court basically gave him two choices:

1. Shut the fuck up and buy the company
or
2. Fight it in court and all the contents of your phone become public in discovery and whatever that leads to for you downstream is on you.

Literally the Monday following that decision, he said he'll buy the company for the agreed price and closed the deal the subsequent end of week. His phone getting blown up and shared with the world and all its text messages and ideas and plans scared him so much, he bought Twitter for 25Bn more than it was worth. Regardless of what Elon says publicly, Twitter is his single biggest fuck up ever.

It almost ruined him completely.

>>15758921
Fortunately for Elon, most of the money wasn't even his

>>15758921
25b is 3% of Tesla market cap. It's not a big deal.

>>15758836
$4 billion

>>15758921
Twitter's soft power is worth far more than $44 billion.

>>15758954
That is the fucking orangeiest orange my eyes have ever seen. A medeival peasant wouldn't even be able to process these photons

>>15758958
>he doesn't know
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_orange

>>15758954
Damn Glover's lookin kind of THICC.

>>15758965
They must have put their space diapers on

For the bit, you know

>>15758965
I think they pad the asses for comfort reasons

>>15758969
watch this without crying: https://youtu.be/LEb_7e66rVM?t=619
>Having fired the imagination of a generation, a ship like no other, its place in history secured, the Space Shuttle pulls into port... for the last time. Its voyage had an end.

>>15758981
A lot of nice words for a vehicle that killed 14 people in preventable ways

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samefag

why is spinlaunch still a thing

>>15758984
faggot

>>15758984
the funny thing is you could be right

>>15758984
Least insane /sfg/ schizo

>>15758989
??????????????????????
>default light mode
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>>15758985
For the memes

>>15758981
oldspace intended the shuttle to be the last reusable rocket ever. thank elon the bastards were foiled.

>>15758985
Why is Moon Express still a thing? They took over management of the old Delta II complex at SLC-17 back in 2016, demolished the launch towers, and then spent the next seven years with a double digit number of underpaid employees telling everyone that they're totally designing and testing revolutionary new lunar landers.

>>15758985
it's what america's all about

Mag-launcher, a startup founded by an eccentric billionaire, is developing a railgun launch system!
https://nitter.net/andercot/status/1668019251733762050

>>15759009
What stops the vehicle from crashing into the sides of the tubes?

>>15759002
lol what's the source on that quote?

>>15758992
>not using the superior theme
pathetic, weak even

>>15759009
Behold! Spinlaunch but instead it's kinda sensible!

You're limited to a single inclination but the launch forces are a lot more reasonable than trying to get a payload to survive Satan's fidget spinner.

>>15759009
This animation is beyond popsci slop. I am prepared to never hear about this company again.

>>15758984
please remember to get mugged, raped, and hit by a car while you're on vacation

>>15758992
I use the default yotsuba themes despite having dark mode on everything else because I think 4chan should be unpleasant to look at. I want it to hurt my eyes at 3am.

>>15758985
It’d be a pretty good moon sample return architecture. it’s just marketed wrong and 20 years too early.
>>15759011
magnets

>>15758998
Seriously, why IS Moon Express still a thing?
Nobody's given them any money in years, it hasn't tweeted since 2021, no news in literally five years

>>15759002
how is this relevant to space exploration?

>>15759028
>It’d be a pretty good moon sample return architecture.
how the fuck would you have a moon rocket big enough to bring spinlaunch to the moon, but simultaneously not big enough to do a sample return itself?

>>15759026
4chan is already exceedingly unpleasant to look at. Give yourself a break man

>>15758215
it's also a significantly larger engine
even if that image is a vacuum nozzle, the turbomachinery is almost the same size as the bell's exit diameter meaning you couldn't cluster them nearly as well as raptor. 3x the thrust but only ~1/2 the engines at best; and now you have to deal with hypercancer murder death kill megasatan turbo anal rape holocaust toxic clouds of giganigger demon poison every time you fuel it, also you probably can't reuse the rocket

the only rocket fuel that actually has volumetric density impulse terrible enough to really matter is hydrogen, ESPECIALLY for fuel rich combustion. Methaloggz isn't amazing, but it's really not that hard to just stretch the tanks a lil bit as long as you don't have hydromeme insulation bullshit to worry about

>>15759031
I guess when you only have a couple dozen employees and not much in the way of expenses a few million dollars of award money can go a long way. I just wish they'd get off of that real estate. I know SpaceX isn't interested in putting up another Falcon 9 pad but with how Cape Canaveral was talking about how they were at capacity not that long ago I'm sure someone would want to do something with the space.

>>15759039
Why waste a whole rocket just to send back a handful of cool roggs you found? plus you don’t need to send up any of the vacwm creating hardware because the moon is already a vacwm. at that point it’s an arm and an electric motor.
you would not do this before you have a long term moon base.

>>15758611
thought shiggyelow made a comeback when I saw the thumbnail

>>15757984
In the replies they say it's "not necessarily an RFA rocket", so take out of that what you will.

>>15757995
>studying a New Glenn to Starship-class super heavy reusable launcher for ESA
Neat, but I don't know how they could make the leap to such a rocket. Building both a smallsat launcher (if they stick with it) and an ATV clone is more than enough on their plate. Those kind of funds don't exist over there.

>>15759152
Probably looking to get some cash out of ESA's FLPP program (submissions close in 10 days, 4ASS bros)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Launchers_Preparatory_Programme
Which while outrageously optimistic is still at least a sign ESA knows how far behind they are in nearly every engineering field they need for their own super heavy

>>15759037
It's a lot in Boca Chica where the owner is demanding way too much for it

>>15757771
Personally they already reached this threshold a while back with Falcon
When did Falcon launches become more common than showers for you anons?

>>15759257
SpaceX already launches more often than most people here shower.

>>15759257
>When did Falcon launches become more common than showers for you anons?
Probably around 2011 when I moved back in with my parents.

>>15759270
More than me for sure

*Astra has a mishap*
FAA has an investigation to ensure safety.
*Firefly has a mishap*
FAA has an investigation to ensure safety.
*ABL has a mishap*
FAA has an investigation to ensure safety.
*Blue Origin has a mishap*
FAA has an investigation to ensure safety.
*Starship has a mishap*
>THE FAA WAS SENT BY BIDEN, TRUMP, AND XI JIPING TO HALT ELON'S NOBLE MARCH TO A KARDASHEV TYPE I CIVILIZATION!!!
<plebbit space>
Many such cases.

>>15758985
speen to spess

>>15759296
Yeah. Wish all the schizo Musk cocksuckers would choke to death already.

>>15759296
Nice strawman you built yourself there. Good show knocking it down. Bonus points for making sure to throw in a derogatory le reddit reference for those Other points.

>>15759296
The FAA already finished the investigation for IFT-1.

>>15759296
the other ones don't have launches held up over it, since they have other bottlenecks. when the slowest part of spacex's launch process is waiting on the fucking Fish and Wildlife Service, then something is going wrong.

>>15759308
And note: The FAA closed that investigation in mere months. New Shepard, Terran-1, and Alpha are still ongoing according to the FAA.
>>15759304
It isn't a strawman if I'm calling out a specific group of people (Musk fanboys) who routinely give that exact argument.

Which is this rocket?

>>15759318
Atlas V

>>15759318
F9 block 5

>>15759318
This is a fun concept but this one is too easy. It’s ze block 5. The greatest rocket ever flown

>>15759257
It already is itt

>>15759330
I take that back, second greatest rocket. No one can bump my beloved Saturn V, except maybe Starship someday very soon hopefully

>>15759257
I shower every night so they have some catching up to do

>>15759333
>Skylab variant
ma nigga

>>15759296
FUCK THE FAA

>>15759317
>New Shepard, Terran-1, and Alpha are still ongoing according to the FAA.
Alpha is launching.

>>15759333
they killed her in her prime and gave us 50 years of death trap spaceplanes and hydromeme grift launchers in her place

>>15759333
Even then
There's something poetic about hundreds of thousands of gallons of fermented dead dinosaurs powering a fuck you to gravity

>>15759354
NON-CONSENSUALLY

>>15757783
You can see them if you're driving. You just run them over. That's what you do.

>>15757807
This is fake. No human has ever attempted to mate with me.

>>15759317
New Shepard's next flight is in October and Firefly Alpha literally just launched a couple days ago.

>US Fish and Wildlife officials have yet to begin a formal review of SpaceX’s upgrades following Starship’s first launch in April. This could push back the next launch window by months, which I know none of us want to hear... 1/3
>The agency still needs to review SpaceX’s plans to operate a water deluge system during the next launch of its Starship rocket — this process could take anywhere from 30 to 135 days, the FWS said in an email to Bloomberg News on Monday.
>However, that review process has yet to formally begin, the FWS said, which could further delay SpaceX’s plans to launch Starship on its second test flight from South Texas. The US Federal Aviation Administration cannot give SpaceX a new launch license until the consultation with the FWS is complete, the FWS added.
aint no way. this is on top of a looming government shutdown. at this point the government is an existential threat to civilization.

>>15759408
>135 days
>yet to formally begin
Just load the next prototype up with enriched uranium and drop it on DC. For fuck's sake.

>>15758549
>>15758469
It's gay bullshit, like everything from France, and would be more accurately described as partially sail-propelled or "a normal ship that gets some assistance from the wind occasionally", or even more accurately as "a way to get money from stupid people."

>>15759408
This guy is an insurrectionist and a threat to Democracy™

>>15758700
In the year 2023 mankind will finally achieve our ancient dream and go kind of near to the moon, but not too close. What an accomplishment!

>>15759422
I want to buy him a beer

>>15759408
And then they will cry how starship is late for Artemis missions

>>15759439
of course they will. we might even see more government lawsuits to slow spacex even more.

>>15759443
Changing name to Harrison Bergeron when?

Total fish and wildlife death now

*fixes your wildlife problem*

>>15759408
CHINA WON

>>15759408
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1704673463976304831

> That is unacceptable.

> It is absurd that SpaceX can build a giant rocket faster than they can shuffle paperwork!

>>15759408
I like how the reddit cocksuckers are saying the deluge system is a threat to the wildlife. Bitch, the beach gets almost three foot of rain a year and the occasional hurricane on top of that. The only hope for US spaceflight now is the GOP coming in and gutting these fuckers in 2024.

>>15759408
SpaceX should move to China

>>15759422
It's not "Democracy™", it's "Our Democracy™".

We are unironically not getting off this rock at this rate. Sorry tax slaves, rockets are racist and you have to stay on the prison planet.

Spaceships made of thousands of tons of insulated ice
http://www.neofuel.com/ICESHIPS/index.html

>>15759825
Basado

>>15759825
uh, but how do you leave?

>>15759848
temporarily thaw the pisslocks

Varda denied re-entry license for drug factory capsule, Maxar reorganized into two separate businesses after acquired by a private equity firm
----
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/09/permission-denied-for-reentry-of-vardas-orbiting-experiment-capsule/
> Permission denied for reentry of Varda’s orbiting experiment capsule
> The FAA says Varda launched its vehicle into space without a reentry license.
> "Varda Space Industries launched its vehicle into space without a reentry license," an FAA spokesperson told Ars on Wednesday. "The FAA denied the Varda reentry license application on September 6 because the company did not demonstrate compliance with the regulatory requirements."
> The FAA spokesperson said Varda formally requested that the regulatory agency reconsider its decision two days later. "The request for reconsideration is pending," the FAA said.
----
https://spacenews.com/maxar-technologies-to-reorganize-under-two-separate-businesses/
> Maxar Technologies reorganizes as two separate businesses
> Maxar Space Infrastructure and Maxar Intelligence have separate CEOs. The company also is making an unspecified number of job cuts
> WASHINGTON — Maxar Technologies, a space technology firm that operates imaging satellites and manufactures spacecraft, has reorganized and eliminated executive positions, the company confirmed Sept. 20
> Maxar is being restructured as two separate businesses: Maxar Space Infrastructure and Maxar Intelligence, a spokesperson told SpaceNews.
> Maxar Space Infrastructure will oversee spacecraft manufacturing. Maxar Intelligence will be responsible for the satellite imagery business, which was previously known as Earth Intelligence and led by executive vice president Tony Frazier. The company declined to comment on Frazier’s status or whether he has left the company.

>>15759856
Varda seems to be competent. Wonder why they didn't get the loicense?

Virgin Galactic to take Pakistani "to space" for the first time, Chinese growing vegetables on their space station, Welsh startup completes full duration hot fire test of their bi-propellant satellite thruster
----
https://www.space.com/namira-salim-virgin-galactic-first-astronaut-pakistan
> Virgin Galactic's next flight will take a Pakistani to space for the 1st time
> Namira Salim will make history Oct. 5 on the 'Galactic 04' mission.
----
https://www.space.com/china-astronauts-space-garden-tiangong-space-station
https://videos.space.com/m/3zR1fkb8/chinese-taikonauts-harvest-space-vegetables-aboard-tiangong-space-station?list=9wzCTV4g
> China's astronauts have been tending a 'space garden' in orbit (video)
> The Shenzhou 16 crew have been growing vegetables aboard the Tiangong space station.
----
https://europeanspaceflight.com/smallspark-completes-hot-fire-test-of-thruster-prototype/
> SmallSpark Completes Hot Fire Test of Thruster Prototype
> Welsh space tech startup SmallSpark Space Systems has completed a long-duration hot fire test of a prototype of its NEWT-A2 thruster.
> In December 2022, SmallSpark received a £76,000 grant from the UK Space Agency to assist with the development of its NEWT-A2 thruster. The company describes it as “the world’s simplest bi-propellant satellite thruster.” The engine utilizes a proprietary fuel and a high-test peroxide oxidizer. Once operational, the company will offer the thruster with thrusts ranging from 5N to 300N.
> From their website: "The S4-NEWT-A2 is the world's simplest bi-propellant satellite thruster, using non-cryogenic propellants it is ideal for long duration spaceflight that needs high performance, without the complexity. NEWT-A2 runs on SmallSparks' proprietary fuel and High-Test Peroxide Oxidiser (HTP)."
https://www.smallspark.space/products/s4-newt-a2

>>15759858
maybe they didn't want to wait and thought this would pressure the FAA

>re-entry licence
Bureaucrats have gone too far. Why can't they drop it off in international waters outside of anyone's jurisdiction?

>>15759862
>If it's U.S. owned (even in part) or operated on U.S. territory, it needs authorization.
Tough luck bucko.

>>15759867
Or what nigger
In space nobody can stop me from retrofiring and lowering my orbit into the atmosphere

>>15759825
How do you thermally manage this thing? I assume you need some pretty fucking propulsion and power systems utilize this thing as a ship, let alone an effective and fast ship. Giant liquid droplet radiator?

https://www.space.com/scientists-test-submarines-saturn-moon-enceladus

> Next stop, Europa? Nano subs to get test beneath Antarctic ice in 2026
> The German project aims to explore beneath Earthly ice as a test for space exploration.

>>15759894
if starship doesn't work I don't think we will be alive to see an europa submarine happening

> During a good storm the river rises and washes out the Matamoros bed. From there the river channel overflows into the south bay and fills it on occasion, turning it into sort of fresh water seasoned with several thousand tons of trash and sludge. Other times storm surges turn it into sea water. About the only fish that can survive are mullet. Vegetation is mostly invasive since thing like mesquite and prickly pear couldn't exist before river dams and ship channels prevented yearly flooding. Combined with climate change, anything remotely resembling a historical natural state there is long gone and isn't coming back.
>All coming down to, the FWS/EPA/FAA goals in what they want to achieve with these rules aren't exactly always clear or precise or realistic.
>Being more blunt wouldn't really help.

So they really are slowing things down on purpose. Schizos were right.

It's coming home.

>>15759897
nano submarines, 50cm x 10cm that are put into a drillhead
I don't think you would strictly need starship for a probe that uses these?

> The nano-AUVs will be very small — 19.7 inches (50 centimeters) long and 3.9 inches (10 cm) in diameter — allowing them to be contained in an ice-melting probe. These will be supported by a Launch and Recovery System (LRS), which will act as an underwater docking station for AUVs, allowing them to transmit their collected data and charge their batteries.

>>15759898
so it is a wasteland like musk said

>>15759907
I don't see any space agency pushing for something like this before they do quite a few missions before (orbiters, landers, rovers) and it takes forever to get there through current means.

>>15759894
Wow, billions of dollars to maybe find some anaerobic bugs. What a good use of resources

>>15759914
what would be a good use of resources?

>>15759858
I wonder if they followed procedure as written, like some FAA document somewhere states that requests for reentry should be submitted so many days or weeks prior. And Varda followed this, but industry practice is to request much earlier and prior to launch. Poor documentation of industry practice often trips up newcomers, and the worst thing is the incumbent players don't want it to be made better because their competitors then waste time and money figuring these things out.

I could also see this being from lobbying pressure being put on the FAA. The government has been in bed with the pharmaceutical companies as of late and if they feel threatened by Varda testing new drug making tech, they may have called up politicians who in turn pressure the FAA to find reasons to delay and deny.

>>15759918
industrialization of cis-lunar space and the rest of the solar system

>>15759914
Much better than waisting it on welfare and salaries

>>15759898
Actually, CHUD, it's a UNIQUE wasteland!

>>15759317
and yet firefly was allowed to launch again, how strange...
how many of these other mishap investigations have actually grounded the rocket in question, vs the people launching them simply not having the cadence to launch a second time before the glacial pace of FAA work actually wraps up?

Firefly wasn't grounded, Astra wasn't either - even after their sideways pad slide, which arguably posed a similar risk as that of a starship that's already multiple miles in altitude and several times that distance out over the coast

Blue Origin made the decision to halt flights themselves, that was not imposed on them by the FAA, despite Glenn being a human rated system.

The FAA isn't actually overstepping their theoretical legal boundaries with the way they've been handling spacex, but you only need to look at how other incidents with non-elon companies have been handled to recognize the bias within the agency. They're doing due diligence in the case of starship but there's an obvious lack of such strictness in other cases, where the FAA does not take nearly as much of an active role.

>>15759825
>Idaho National Engineering and Environmental Laboratory

>>15759933
Jesus Christ. Why are those "people" such bootlickers? They will defend everything that government does, no matter how retarded it is.

SpaceX really should pursue a sea launch capability. Pic related cost only $1 billion to build.

>>15759933
They have to be bots, or five year olds.
Anyone who’s ever been to a beach longer than a day knows how much fucking rain hits coastal areas.
The gulf is one of the most visited places in the country.
They are either the most laughable shut-ins ever or are bots following a script.
I refuse to believe otherwise.

Do you faggots generally hate nature or is it just because you cry every time spay sex faces some kind of obstacle?

>>15759948
or just assume anything the government is doing, there has to be a good reason for it

>>15759956
a saltflat wasteland right next to a shipping lane is not "nature" and even if it was, sacrificing that small bit of land for what SpaceX is a fine tradeoff

>>15759862
>Deorbit burn like 2 minutes later
>Entry and landing into Mexico
>Smuggle the drugs across the Rio Grande

>>15759959
>is not "nature"
>No, it’s beyond the environment, it’s not in an environment.
You'll make a fine comedian one day.

>>15759965
its not some pristine natural landscape, you know what i meant cunt
by your definition city centers are "nature"
everything is nature, so the word is pointless

>>15759956
There is no sound moral argument for slowing down space travel development for any level of safety regulation. The faster we get to sustained space the better and longer everyone's lives get for a large variety of reasons.

>>15759961
>That engine exploding 10 seconds into the video
Kino every time

>>15759968
>The faster we get to sustained space the better and longer everyone's lives get for a large variety of reasons.
Name 1 (ONE) solid reason.

>>15759856
>"The request for reconsideration is pending," the FAA said.
fucking hell, the gov can just sentence any innovation to death by filibuster

>>15759968
>for any level of safety regulation

>>15759968
SFG says the dumbest shit I've ever seen

>>15759984
Shut the fuck up, retard. Everyone will live longer without safety regulations. Especially the people in the rockets, or around where rockets take off and land/crash.

>>15759977
I'll name a few because fuck off retard
>Space living presents problems that will need to be solved through technology, and colonists will be the customers providing the incentive for technological leaps
>Space living will (in time) allow independent or detached polities to form (likely by rich ideological spergs at first) that will eventually become more effective, free, or livable states then the ones on Earth.
>Earth because of various incentive and technological factors is doomed to millennia of rot, feudal squalor, and authoritarianism by entrenched organizations and no method of cleaning or removing poor performing ones.
>The aforementioned polities that breakaway and are filtered through the stock of space colonists will both be morally, technologically and socially superior than earth ones, leading to better human life in general.

>>15759980
>>15759984
You may not like it but objectively if Ukraine and all its inhabitants were reduced to dust, there would be less effect on the course of human history than any process of the cutting edge of human spaceflight.

>>15759988
Notice how you couldn't even provide 1 (ONE) solid reason. You just sharted and farted out a bunch of vague sci-fi rhetoric about how it will le make technology and politics better therefore everyone will be happy.

>>15759980
just start blasting

>>15759988
>Random pivot to ukraine for no reason
Dialogue tree is bugged. Devs! The /pol/ bots are broken!

>>15759992
Maybe he's referencing the way Biden's regime doesn't hesitate dumping ridiculous amounts of money and risking direct confrontation with a major nuclear power. Since they have infinite money and no concern for the welfare of humanity, why pick fleas in Comrade Elon's trousers?

>varda is kill
biden did this

>>15759989
Anon if you don't see the encroaching corpo-gov AI surveillance state and it being extremely terrible and gay I can't help you. There is no voting out of it, its just the natural conclusion of technology and the people in charge. Life on Earth will become very nasty and annoying. There is no more land to settle, there is no frontier for risk takers to go off and get a clean start, a frontier alone is of immense valuable to humans and human life even only psychological ones. Besides all the sustainable in situ living tech that will help the poor, space manufacturing, medicine etc it will simply create a better and new incentive structure for life and humans. The current incentive structure is get dabbed on by oligarchs and bureaucrats using bigger boots year after year until you die a dog's death.

>>15759944
kekt and checkt

>>15760000
>the encroaching corpo-gov AI surveillance state
How are your cute little rockets gonna fix that one?

>>15760004
By putting physical space between the colonists and the gay overlords and the eventually political freedom of said colonists from them.

>>15759999
Because 150 M-777's are just what SpaceX needs to finish starship.... How do people this retarded even find this general?

>>15760005
>By putting physical space between the colonists and the gay overlords
That may or may not (almost certainly not) fix the issue for your imaginary space colonists, but it does nothing for me or the billions of other people on this planet.

>>15760004
didn't you read the previous post? they aren't, its unfixable
humanity has to create alternate societies in space to prevent a dark age while earth devolves into a dystopia for some time
think something akin to western countries becoming brazil/south africa, so everything halts to a stop pretty much or goes backwards
chinese might keep things going but they are facing a massive population decline

>>15760007
Your rhetoric generator is buggy. Signal your handlers.

>/sfg/ once again on a schizo politics rant

>>15760008
gives them an example of a polity that is run well and hope that they might be run similarly

>>15760010
Sorry, I don't care about your retarded sci-fi. Your colonists can die for all I care. I'm only interested in how meme rockets will benefit the absolutely overwhelming majority of humanity that's stuck on this planet.

>>15760001
My space gpus

>>15760012
>Points out obvious flaw in your logic
>Deflects with /pol/ babble
Just go away. We want to talk about spaceflight, not thinly veiled R agenda posting.

>>15760008
the "people" that choose to remain in Hell deserve the flames

>>15760018
What's the flaw in my logic? If it's acceptable to dump ridiculous amounts of money into useless causes and to put the whole of humanity at risk for no reason, why not give Lord Elon a big cheque and free reign over his rocket wankery?

>>15760007
>>15759992
>Missing the point

I chose Ukraine because it was a current event but you can pick any small country, and the point stands. The faster humans get to space the faster the fundamental technological and economic structure of the world changes into a better direction. It's perhaps a bit of a nuanced point that a middling poor low GDP country has been rendered as little more than a serf in the global system with no effects on politics or the future of human life.

>>15760008
>>15760015
Because if you can get space flight cheap enough you, yes you, can leave with your genetic line and leave a good life? Or at least your grandkids maybe.

>>15759956
I love the plants and animals of Earth and that's why its imperative we spread them throughout the galaxy before the sun incinerates every living thing

>>15760021
>if you can get space flight cheap enough
Can your purely imaginary space colony and flights get the majority of humanity off this planet?

>>15760020
Fighting Russian imperialism is quite an important cause.

>>15760020
They aren't dumping money, they are dumping military equipment. If you can't tell the difference and understand how it makes your argument of "WHY GOVERNMENT NO SHOWER ELON WITH MONEY????" completely retarded. Not to mention believing any of russia's nuclear saber rattling makes you are retarded as Hasan piker.

I'm done replying about ukraine. Keep it on spaceflight or I wont repond.

>>15760023
Why would you waste spaceflights getting 4,000,000,000 africans and south asians off this planet?

>>15760023
of course not, why would you even want that?
lmao

>>15760024
The potential payoff for your "fight against Russian imperialism" starts at a negative vaglue and only goes down from there. The same isn't true for the space agenda.

>>15760023
The incentive and cost structure will never exist to get the majority of humans off the planet, shit will be just like the Expanse where much of humanity lives in squalor and filth on earth. The best Earthers can hope for is that a breakaway colony civ comes back and cleans up all the trash and institutes a more advanced society. Greatest good for the greatest number is gradeschool cope (that does not survive contact with human behavior), get your genes well situated and hope for the best.

>>15760020
>Hey that guy is selling his old military stuff for profit and influence....
>BUT WHY WONT HE FUND MY PERSONAL PET PROJECT THEN????
Leftist level brain function.

>>15760026
>They aren't dumping money
You mean aexcept for the $110 billion authories by US congress to "aid" Ukraine? And that's just the money they're telling you about. lol

>>15760031
>get your genes well situated and hope for the best.
"Anon has never even touched a woman in his 25 years of life"

>>15760033
See >>15760034
Not gonna reply to any more psots from your kind since you're either literally 80 IQ, or, more likely, paid a few cents per li

>>15760030
How about their shale gas reserves or grain?

>>15760015
>you have to save every filthy, starving and stupid person on earth first
5000 years from now Earth will still have savages living in mud huts and worthless urban criminal populations

>>15760034
Most media literate American.

>>15760031
>The incentive and cost structure will never exist to get the majority of humans off the planet
Or even a non-negligible fraction of them. So again, why should anyone care? Muh colonists are obviously not a valid answer.

>>15760037
What about them? You're obviously not getting it, though I would love to see you try and get nuked for the good of the rest of humanity. lol

>>15760034
Anon....

Good job ruining the thread, you retards

>>15760039
Hundreds of billions of dollars sounds like good money to me. I wonder how much more they're getting in black funds.

>>15760046
Can't help it with retards like this who can't even read beyond a news headline and think a big number with a dollar sign = BIG CHECK

>>15760042
>get nuked
Come up with something new, that joke is already stale.

>>15760045
Notice how you're losing your mind with rage over simple facts. I don't think the 3 cents per post you're getting are worth the permanent damage to your mental health.

>>15760051
You're just a retard anon, I don't know what else to say. Now leave and stop shitting up the thread with your retardation.

>>15760041
Well obviously if people understood the picture and the rather bleak future ahead of them they would all pitch into the space train for a chance to GTFO. As I said greatest good for greatest number is dumb shit, I just want off this rock. And even if I don't get in or fail, I would rather contribute to a better breakaway civilization down the line than the current one we don't very much enjoy. It is also possible that petty bureaucrats and mud hut midwit twittards cripple space flight and we all devolve into 80IQ retards ruled from ivory towers and no one gets to space. I don't want to see that occur personally.

>>15760037
>How about their shale gas reserves or grain?
Paltry and irrelevant compared to going K-2

>>15760049
What does it mean when your congress authorizes over 100 billion in "aid" to Ukraine? Please explain.

>>15760055
If I give you 100 apples worth 1$ did I give you 100 dollars?

>>15760052
What does it mean when your congress authorizes over 100 billion in "aid" to Ukraine? Please explain. Notice how your job forces you to reply to my post, but your impotence and stupidity force you to ignore its content. They should've hired better shills.

>>15760051
YOURE A FUCKING IDIOT OKAY. .

>>15760057
>>15760058
What does it mean when your congress authorizes over 100 billion in "aid" to Ukraine? Please explain. :^)

>>15760060
you should just shut your fat mouth about something you know nothing about.

>>15760054

Mods, take him out back

>>15760061
>>15760063
What does it mean when your congress authorizes over 100 billion in "aid" to Ukraine? It's hilarious how much your crew of paid shills gets riled up by this simple question.

>>15760060
Just read past the big number in the headline and you can figure it out yourself :^)

>>15760000
checked

>>15760066
What does it mean when your congress authorizes over 100 billion in "aid" to Ukraine? Please explain. Isn't it odd how your crew of low-level shills is shitting out dozens of incoherently raging posts but not one of them refutes this?

>>15760053
>if people understood the picture and the rather bleak future ahead of them they would all pitch into the space train
If they understood that picture, they'd kill off their so-called elites, which would solve the problem and also end your space fantasy.

>>15760072
Well yes, which I don't believe will ever happen after the rather grim results of the global pandemic and every "developed" country in the world pissing and shitting over their ethics and institutions for a few bucks. Space flight is the option we have that is still allowed to develop and has some chance of changing things for the better.

>>15760074
>Well yes, which I don't believe will ever happen
Then your post is null and void.

>>15760041
they will be free of the constraints and will thus develop much quicker than earth most likely, people on earth will benefit from the technology developed and it will give people the possibility of going to live on the colonies or perhaps even start new colonies

>>15760076
Maybe I should have qualified "in my lifetime" but I think its a pretty safe bet that the modern peasant will take any beating now, plenty of experimental results to back that one up.

>>15760078
Ok, but you still haven't explained how your space fantasy helps anyone but a miniscule amount of imaginary people.

>>15760062
its simply about scaling

>>15760079
Why do you care about this losers delusional fantasies about the future? He can't even go outside, he has no idea what positive effects space colonization will have. He doesn't even know what real people are like.

>>15760079
Anon did you lose your ability to read. I already described the hypothetical wherein eventually even centuries after my death, thanks to the natural competency filter of the kind of people who end up in space colonies a better human civilization develops down the line, as opposed to the grim one that by all accounts seems fated as things stand.

>>15760082
Anon what's got you seething so hard? Care to enlighten me about the great things on Earth we have to look forward to and how based we are for inventing TikTok, and TikTok viewing bricks?

>>15760082
Do you have any idea what positive effects space colonization will have?

>>15760087
>thanks to the natural competency filter of the kind of people who end up in space colonies a better human civilization develops down the line
1. Pure, irrational fantasy.
2. Even if it were true, I don't care about your alt-humanity. They can all die. Makes zero difference to me. They might as well be aliens.

>>15760076
you are confusing two different things happening
space tech can clearly be progressed still by individuals that are smart and driven enough, you don't need everyone to pitch in, you just need the gov agencies to stop progress (at this point some are helping and some are slowing it down, but not too bad right now)
people are too dumb to pitch in to go all in on phase, but also too dumb to stop the decline or don't even think its going to happen or be a problem
but if/when things continue to decline, starting and running something like spacex will not be possible for a number of reasons, some examples being: not enough smart/educated workforce, regulations are so stifling its not possible, tax laws that siphon away the control of companies from the founders (such as taxes on unrealized gains) which prevents single smart and driven individuals from doing stuff that seems crazy to most people

>>15760088
https://youtu.be/1S6k2LBJhac?t=135
Challenge creates growth. A space colony would require new and better materials, energy, food production, etc. then we currently have, which would benefit people on earth. Probably the most general argument, but also the most potent.

And you don't need to get into schizo poltiics to make the case

>>15760079
its about helping humanity/civilization in the abstract, not singular people
retard

>>15760091
Sorry, I'm still waiting for you to explain how space memes benefit me, my family and my friends.

>>15760096
He literally can't. He's stuck in the schizo fog.

>>15760095
>it's about my sci-fi fantasies and imaginary abstractions, not about reality and real people
Ok, now we're in agreement. Protip: "humanity" doesn't exist. You've been lied to.

>>15760090
>1. Pure, irrational fantasy.
no, america is an example of this filtering happening during the colonial era, and still is somewhat with the strict immigration laws (allthough there is a lot of unfiltered illegal immigration happening too at the moment)
only certain people became colonists, its going to happen for mars and other space colonies as well

>>15760093
>A space colony would require new and better materials, energy, food production, etc. then we currently have, which would benefit people on earth
How do we know it will be a net benefit and not a net harm? Given the current state of affairs, you can reasonably surmise it will be used to produce more deadly weapons, more harmful goyslop and to power bigger, more intensive police state programs.

>>15760101
>america is an example of this filtering happening during the colonial era
America is an example of everything that can go wrong with people and their systems. Try again.

>>15760104
>you can reasonably surmise it will be used to produce more deadly weapons, more harmful goyslop and to power bigger, more intensive police state programs.
1) Im not a /pol/ retard so I don't surmise that
2) Weapons and goyslop don't help you breathe on mars.

>>15760106
They're still better off than the rest of the world, so the filter works.

>>15760096
how does technology developing help you and your family and your friends
there are benefits but those are incidental to why we need to colonize mars
some mundane examples would be space tech in general getting cheaper due to an economic incentive of getting mass to mars being cheaper, such as starlink

>>15760107
>>15760093

>Le economist bugman bentham value set because "educated" people don't read books in the modern day

lmaoing at your life my guy, you may not be a /pol/ tard but seem to be just a regular old tard who can't form a coherent spine or ethical world view.

>>15759862
FAA jurisdiction extends to the entire atmosphere. There are two solutions, either remove the FAA or remove the atmosphere.

>>15760106
are you serious?
compare the standard of living of america to the rest of the world
look at how much technology is developed there
and the point was more about the initial colonial filtering which was the subject of the discussion
the filters have not been there nearly as much during the last 100 years or so and the demographic changes are starting to show in the decline of the society (but still, as far as western countries go USA is still up there as similar declining effects have happened in most other western countries)

>>15760114

Wait wut Dream Chaser has more pressurized volume than Orion?

>general about space is obsessed with countries on Earth
Obviously.

>>15759988
Can we go for total zigger death (TZD) instead?

>>15760096
a visual example from an analogy: you and your friends and family are the people in vanuatu and africa getting a starlink delivered to you
now replace starlink with some other tech and the hut dwellers with you

> Sorry, I'm still waiting for you to explain how developing Falcon 9 will benefit me, my family and my friends.

>>15760004
I misread this as "how are your cute little rocket girls going to fix this"

>But how does this affect me personally?
Don't waste your time on that redditor

>SpaceX is going to remove the hot staging ring

https://spectrum.ieee.org/lattice-confinement-fusion
USA WON
CHINESE FISSION GARBAGE CAN'T COMPETE.
FINISHED AND BANKRUPT

>>15760142
what

>>15760144
https://twitter.com/VickiCocks15/status/1704847480922468422

>>15760147
Took so long to launch that they already simmed a better version.

So Biden admin is going to slow walk the entire process because Musk didnt kow tow to him?

>>15760149
I won't be surprised if they have a third stack ready before they receive a launch license for second launch.

>>15760152
we'll see, but that is certainly a possibility

>>15760039
I highly doubt this derailer is American.

>>15760108
>They're still better off than the rest of the world
Intense, full-blown delusion. I guess we can stop this "discussion" here. You can't even accurately evaluate the present in front of your eyes. Your takes about the future are irrelevant.

>>15759988
>>15760021
>objectively if Ukraine and all its inhabitants were reduced to dust, there would be less effect on the course of human history than any process of the cutting edge of human spaceflight.
Yeah, famines worse than WWII would not leave a mark in history books but a company being mildly inconvenienced by local regulations will. Nevermind the fact that not even you will remember the latter a week after the matter has been solved.

I now share your enthusiasm for humanity becoming multiplanetary. We must get you off the planet ASAP at any cost.

>>15760152
Yes. Biden is a senile old man, but is also pulling all the strings to personally hamstring musk. He's got a master plan that culminates in musk coming out as trans at the white house.

>>15760101
this is true. speciation events make humans smarter and we need to get to mars quickly because there are no new biomes on earth (apart from antarctica) to speciate into

What's the deal with the fucking brownoid zigger trash posts? America can both go to space and finance the death of every single Russian.

>>15760116
>compare the standard of living of america
America is abysmal in almost every way. Third-world-level.

>>15760164
biden admin, can you not read

>>15760152
You think otherwise the process would be swift and the license already issued? This tweet was 8 days after Biden was inaugurated. Looks like staying hands off is enough to "slow walk the process"

>>15760171
I thought that was his last name. Mr. Biden Admin.

>>15760173
it is, the guy you are replying to is just retarded.

>>15760167
Interesting of /sfg/ is the only thread on this board and one of the only generals on 4chan where you can find people talking about how 'Murica is the best country in the world. Almost like this little reddit enclave is infested with literal US State Department shills.

>>15760116
>compare the standard of living of america to the rest of the world
It's mid. Low compared to most first world nations.

>>15760178
Fucking ZIGGER shill, we will kill every single one of you, you fucking uncivilized mongol rape baby. America is the best country in the world. Look at our fucking GDP. Our military is amazing. Kill all ZIGGERs.

>>15760173
how did I not know this, fuck

>>15760177
>Implying reddit isn't the most "America bad" website on the internet.
They are just left wing. It's horse theory at it's finest. They even blame state department shills for any positive sentiment too!

>>15760178
false. im from europe, americans complain about gasoline prices being high which are less than 2 thirds the the price of gasoline in europe.

>>15760178
maybe in aggregate
but if you are something like an engineer or a doctor in the US, your standard of living is much better than in other first world countries
if you are unemployed, then maybe not

>>15760177
Yeah, I'm thinkin I fucking love this country

>>15760167
America should have glassed Moscow and St.Petersburg when ziggers got uppity.
It would have minimized human suffering and been far more cost effective than slowly boiling the ziggers alive.

>>15760177
reddit is a far left enclave and its spread to other sites as well. Most of 4chan seems to consumes far left content. The kids raised are trained on marxist doctrines at every level of education. So When they grow up, they post their propaganda channels content online.

This is te great reset. This happened ~2010.

>>15760177
>>15760178
It is great. Either you are swayed by low quality data or it is some partisan thing where if your guy isn't in office the end is nigh.

>>15760177
Shut up, you're brown

>>15760177
The rest of the world is simply worse. You faggots keep complaining but you never leave. I wonder why.

>>15760182
Based. Gonna kill ziggers from the moon

>>15760177
LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT JACK

>>15760182
>>15760204
>zigger
/k/ is in the other direction, onions and weed are complementary