/sci/ - Science & Math

Reminder that smallsat launchers are fucked

https://spacenews.com/spacex-to-offer-mid-inclination-smallsat-rideshare-launches/

> During a presentation at the 37th Annual Small Satellite Conference here Aug. 9, Jarrod McLachlan, director of rideshare sales at SpaceX, said the company will start launching a series of missions dubbed “Bandwagon” that will complement its existing Transporter line of rideshare missions.

> The Bandwagon missions will deliver payloads at altitudes of 550 to 605 kilometers and inclinations of approximately 45 degrees. “It’s a way of meeting the demand for the second most commonly asked orbit,” he said.

> Four Bandwagon missions are currently scheduled. According to SpaceX’s rideshare website, those missions are scheduled for April and November 2024 and February and May 2025.

could this be used as rocket fuel?

Fuel for the V-2

>>15657355
No. It runs hotter but has less hydrogen so it's worse

>>15657359

>theres never been a lunar lander probe that observed the Earth eclipsing the sun
The japs got shots from orbit but that's not quite the same
https://www.space.com/3747-eclipse-moon-probe-earth-blocks-sun.html

>>15657355
>Behold! Übermenschium!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWzLFR7XtkM

Raptorbros... where did it all go wrong

Why is an entire Atlas V rocket being wasted to launch two tiny Project Kuiper satellites into low Earth orbit? Why not pay Rocket Lab to launch these things one at a time on Electron?

>>15657407
It's not that easy

when is luna 25 set to crash into the moon?

Which booster and ships do you think will use Raptor 3? Also wen raptor 4?

>>15657447
Just before india's lander crashes iirc.

>>15657421
Probably because if they don't launch SOMETHING soon, the FCC is gonna get pissed, and it's not that easy in launcher switching.
This is what happens when the EDS kicks in hard, it's a hell of a drug.

Guys what are some good youtube channels about Space, launches, future, past and so on?

>>15657503
Cost Plus Content is a good channel about the past of space.

(It's about the past because the guy who ran it no longer posts.)

>>15657503
Pressure Fed Astronaut
End of Mission and Know Your Rocket are genuinely great and I hope he keeps making these
that said, he's got a terminal case of EDS

>>15657483
why didn't they just buy a Falcon 9???

>>15657523
lol, I've seen a bit of his Starship whining video and not bothered to watch anything else
if there is bad judgement in one area, how can you trust there is not in some other unrelated area?

>>15657503
maybe Astronomy and Nature TV, examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgiMu8A3pi0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmTxAFY03fU

>>15657550
Seems like a risk having a body flap stick out like that underneath a piece you need to jettison

And are there channels that make space video for example every week talking about space news and launches that happened?

>>15657594
Scott Manley makes a video like that about once a month. Check out his deep space updates

>>15657525
And give them more money to launch Starlinks with?

>>15657594
The aussie Marcus does that I think

>>15657525
SWEATY "FALCON 9 IS TOO SMOLL" - Amazon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEBx-pw_Y-g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc6D6_OyK5A

>>15657594
Just read Berger's Rocket Report. Or lurk moar.

>Besides being a unique collaborative work of the world's foremost science fiction authors of the late 20th century, the Murasaki anthology tells several valuable lessons. First, it demonstrates how difficult it would be to find planets that could be truly colonized by humans. Genji and Chujo both are as terrestrial planets as one could reasonably expect to find, but the relatively minor deviations of their masses from Earth standard result in an atmospheric pressure gradient where unaided breathing is possible only at some places, even though the composition of gases is right for humans. Very few items from the alien biosphere can be safely eaten and/or provide nourishment. The intensity and spectral composition of the sunlight is wrong for humans. As a result, humans must bring their own food or produce it in artificial environments, and exposure to artificial earthly daylight is required to maintain physical and mental health. On Genji the gravity (although only half again as high as on Earth) is an inescapable factor that confers both acute and chronic physical risk, and appears to promote dysthymia. In summary this illustrates that even on the most Earth-like planets that might eventually be found, only outposts (but no actual colonies) will be feasible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murasaki_(novel)
wellfags, will they ever learn?

>>15657670
space colonies will be spun up to non earth gravities, be given 14 or 52 hour days (but never 24) and have their atmospheres pumped full of carbon monoxide just to keep the spin queers in line

Luna 25 will revive Russia's space dream. Energia Starship next.

>>15657681

>>15657711
I'll sooner believe in kiev in 3 days than in roscosmos becoming competitive. They might get lucky with Luna-25 but not even that will grant them enough funding to do anything superpower-worthy.

>>15657711
I heckin love the Energia 2 config. If I would propose an alternate fully reusable rocket architecture I would do this.
>fully reusable everything
>liquid boosters + sustainer stage
>horizontal landing which is safer, simpler, and gentler than Starship's flip shit
>a proper swing nosecone hatch for payloads
>if you wanted to launch crew, just stick a normal capsule on the end
>because the capsule is a drop in payload, launch escape can still be a thing
>lower aspect ratio so it has a wider launch envelope; wing-loading on ascent is negligible since the boosters are covering it
>make everything methalox so you get denser propellants, better specific impulse and thrust, and better for reusability

>>15657594
yes

NSF (mostly videos about tankwatching Starship, but also weekly roundups about space stuff in general like vid related, don't really watch the weekly roundups though as I find her voice annoying)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKxOjK04O5E

Marcus House >>15657406
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWzLFR7XtkM

Scott Manley (videos are about specific random space topics)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ngVl6iO94c

LabPadre (weekly updates from starbase)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKMvbvIlZWY

RGV Aerial Photography (starbase flyovers and a weekly 3h stream where they talk about what changed, perhaps the most autistic channel of them all)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpD-hxjPl8Q

Dongfang Hour (News from chinese spaceflight, might or might not be chinese propaganda)
https://www.youtube.com/@DongfangHour

Eager Space (videos about specific topics a bit like Scott Manley)
https://www.youtube.com/@EagerSpace

TheSpaceBucket (daily videos about some latest news so about a specific topic but related to something that just happened usually)
https://www.youtube.com/@thespacebucket

>>15657525
Unironically might not be available as quickly, SpaceX seems booked quite tightly, especially when considering payload integration, I imagine Atlas V and Vulcan both being ULA rockets have a lot of commonality there.

>>15657732
Yeah china should have gone with this for LM9 architecture. That way they wouldn’t have to fuck around with propulsive landing. They could have full reusability with flyback components

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4visV2dolQw
there are a lot of videos from this dude that I haven't seen apparently

>>15657552
>if there is bad judgement in one area, how can you trust there is not in some other unrelated area?
Even memefoot makes good videos when they're about his actual study area. You have a point that you should be aware of misjudgements when watching other content, but such blanket statements are just stupid. Otherwise suddenly noone should be trusted with anything because everyone makes bad judgements on occasion. Elon says plenty of stupid shit, does that mean his judgement on rocket engineering should be dismissed?

Thanks to everyone who suggested youtube channels

See? Now get over it.

>>15657421
Because even if Electron does have the payload capacity, it almost certainly doesn't have the volume in its fairing.

>>15657741
>might or might not be chinese propaganda
He's closer to shill PR than outright propaganda. He's not going to cover anything in an excessively critical or negative light. He's pretty informative overall if you don't mind that information coming in a form that feels like an advertisement.

>Luna 25 landing attempt (fail)
>Chandelier 3 landing attempt (fail)
>...
>...
>Peregrine Mission 1 landing attempt (fail)
>...
>2024
>IM Mission 1 landing attempt (fail)

The moon is a harsh mistress...

Eager space more like creepy face

>>15657807
True
>>15657810
Goteem. Eager beaver was shitting on new glenn the other day. /comfy/!

>listening to nsf's latest jewess video
>she reveals that their video editor is only 18 years old
wow they really out there getting cheap slave labor

>>15657594
Marcus House does that shit, and with a cool accent

coming soon: MOON-Transporter missions from spacex.
I assume. Buy a lot on the one per quarter moon lander mission.

>>15657807
>Artemis II orbit attempt (fail)

>>15657845
but how?

TLI burn fails?

imagine the disappointment

>>15657850
oxygen tank explodes when they stir it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5XEZfzoxvY It's over bransy boy. You've been buusted

>>15657847
rule 34 on this now

>>15657503
Scott Manley, Marcus House

Why is Gaganyaan orange?

Could you theoretically slap 2-4 side boosters on Terran R, slap Orion on top and have it be a alternative to SLS?

>>15657894
I'll do you one better, why is sls orange?

"Luna-25" corrected the trajectory of the flight
to the natural satellite of the Earth.
Today, the automatic station carried out the first
correction of the flight path to the moon.
The Luna-25 propulsion system has turned on at
16:00 Moscow time and worked for 46 seconds.

>>15657900
Trying to make a rocket into an impromptu Angara 5 is a lot harder than it looks. SpaceX had enough trouble bolting three Falcon 9 cores together. If you want a cheap and simple SLS replacement you'd be better off stripping the reusability systems out of New Glenn and using that, maybe in conjugation with the old three-stage idea that Blue had.

>>15657355
oh no! what happened to my 6000 kg of Judainium?!

>ruskies are about to land people on the moon for a mere $200m, while simultaneously fighting a war
gotta hand it to them desu
pretty impressive all things considered, assuming it doesn't crash on landing or something

>15657956(You)
here you go big guy

>>15657957
thanks, I'll cherish this

>>15657894
It's just the color of whatever they're using for the less demanding parts of the capsule's TPS. I'm not even sure if they're even using it. There have been few dunk testing photos that don't feature it, although it could be they just haven't installed the stuff yet.

>>15657957
>>15657956
oh wait, it's unmanned
nevermind, that's a bit disappointing

https://twitter.com/NASA_Marshall/status/1690407800407576576

>>15657974
>In September, @NASA's New Horizons spacecraft will turn its color camera toward Uranus and Neptune to get unique images from “behind” the two giant planets.
>If that wasn't exciting enough...the mission team is inviting amateur astronomers to join in >>

I can't wait to see uranus from behind

>>15657967
it wont succeed, none of them will
>>15657807

>>15657172
Inconel is used for rocket engine nozzles and combustion chambers. It can handle a few seconds of reentry plasma without deformation.

>>15657838
That would make testing the plasma magnet sail cheaper.

>>15658015
e-sail too, maybe this will finally stimulate some fucking motivation in those working on them

>>15657900
No because it's not designed to take the structural load of more boosters

>>15658013
>a few seconds
>reentry
>what is regenerative cooling

The OLM purged the outer ring ignition system. I'm pretty sure that this proves the 4 raptors shut down due to a QD failure since they were all on outer ring.

>>15658049
>I'm pretty sure that this proves
you're retarded plus a newfag twitterbrain. they pruge the RQD all the time.
they did it seven times in one day.
you simply do not know what happened

>>15657847
god damn falcon 9's big
the high aspect ratio makes it seem a lot smaller than it is

>>15658067
for real, everytime im reminded of its scale its always way bigger than I thought

they're landing skyscrapers from space

>>15657447
>>15657469
I'm hoping that they crash into each other first.

Would you guys be interested in a weekly podcasts where we spotlight founders from all sorts of space startups and get technical?

>>15658074
sneed

>>15658072
I'm hoping Chandrayaan poops on Luna as it passes by.

>>15658074
Kill yourself, fuck off the site or buy an ad.

>>15658074
who are "you guys"
who are "we"
who are "founders from all sorts of space startups"
what do you mean by "spotlight"
what do you mean by "get technical"
what do you mean by "podcasts"
what do you mean by "interested"
what do you mean by "weekly"

>>15657845
It would be unironically over for NASA. Imagine the outrage.

>>15657847

>>15658128
hot but Falcon 9 should be futa and OCISLY should have her pubic hair in the SpaceX logo

So im thinking, with a million bajillion new space stations in development, there is no way there are enough crew vehicles to be able to handle all the demand for flights?

There is only a handful of dragons available and the production line has been shut down. Would they have to bring Dragon 1 back into service?

It takes over a decade to make a new vehicle from scratch, Starliner still is not ready + it is expensive when combined with Vulcan

Dream Chaser crewed is still an idea, and although Rocket Lab and Blue Origin plan crew capsules its still going to be a long time before any are in service.

And lets not forget resupply, is Cygnus production big enough to resupply all of these?

We need more capsules

>>15658074
So basically the Payload podcast?

>>15658133
SpeX will just bring Dragon 2 production back

>>15658133
>There is only a handful of dragons available and the production line has been shut down.
Has it? I thought they were still making one and planning on it being the last. If demand increases they can just decide not to shut down production

>>15658133
all of these require a shit ton of dragons.
>no progress for resupply
>no Russians for baseduzes anyways
>Cygnus is dead after 2025
>shitliner is dead after its 4 flights or whatever
>dream chaser is never happening

>>15658133
The glowies don't want you to know this. But starship is an ssto space bus

>>15658133
>There is only a handful of dragons available and the production line has been shut down. Would they have to bring Dragon 1 back into service?
Your first sentence talks about the problems of a recently dead production line for Dragon 2, but then pivot to asking about a production line that has been dead for years

Also, didn't we think that the Dragon 2 line was cold before they announced they were building a fifth crew capsule? I wouldn't count out a sixth or a seventh just yet if it turns out there's a need.

>>15658141
An anon here said they actually didn't shut it down after saying they would. I dunno

>>15658152
NG-25 is launching in 2026, and there's no real reason why Northrop couldn't commission more Cygni if they get a good deal from a private party. It's not a great spacecraft but its pretty economical for what it does.

>>15658186
1 more dragon

>>15658152
stfu faggot Crewed Dream Chaser will fly

>>15658133

>>15658194
>no onboard toilet
>no windows
lel

If Starlink does an IPO, doesnt that mean the Mars colonization plan is dead?

>the year is 2067
>huge city-sized space station in orbit, massive launching point and depot for the mars base
>Zarya and Zvezda are still attached and critical components for the station

>>15658218
Yes. Felon should have had enough experience with public companies to know it is a bad idea.

>>15658216

What's the deal with Leif Holmlid, author of -
>Future interstellar rockets may use laser-induced annihilation reactions for relativistic drive
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0094576520303179
The wiki page on Rydberg matter has this quote -
>The paper of Holmlid and Zeiner-Gundersen makes claims that would be truly revolutionary if they were true. We have shown that they violate some fundamental and very well established laws in a rather direct manner. We believe we share this scepticism with most of the scientific community. The response to the theories of Holmlid is perhaps most clearly reflected in the reference list of their article. Out of 114 references, 36 are not coauthored by Holmlid. And of these 36, none address the claims made by him and his co-authors. This is so much more remarkable because the claims, if correct, would revolutionize quantum science, add at least two new forms of hydrogen, of which one is supposedly the ground state of the element, discover an extremely dense form of matter, discover processes that violate baryon number conservation, in addition to solving humanity’s need for energy practically in perpetuity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rydberg_matter
which seems a roundabout way of saying he's a fraud/kook. But that very same wiki page has a load of citations of Holmlid's papers, which have appeared in respectable journals.

>>15658068
>they're landing skyscrapers from space
on moving platforms hundreds of miles out to sea, and then filling them up with fuel and doing it again, and again and again and again, once a week or even multiple times a week, consistently for over a year, with no failures

... why do we still pay NASA? (rhetardical question)

>>15657967
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kav7tifmyTg

>>15658216
at least one of those has a simple solution

>>15658152
>baseduzes
i laf evri tym

>>15658216

>>15658074
maybe, how long would it be?
you should try it out at least, if it doesn't work out then whatever

>>15658133
Blue Origin wants to use LVM3 and Indian vehicles to resupply Orbital Reef
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/blue-origin-keen-on-using-lvm3-for-commercial-space-activities/articleshow/101352730.cms?from=mdr

Maybe they will use Gaganyaan too

>>15657741
>>15657594
adding to this

Fraser Cain, also does long interviews with various people on space topics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-wpbHns6Sc

I would add Angry Astronaut but he has really declined in quality with clickbait and tinfoil.

This time it's really over.

>>15657746
>SpaceX seems booked quite tightly

That is the crazy part about their current launch cadence, SpaceX still has excess capacity.

>>15658362
I'm tired

Elon's autistic chasing of MORE POWER will ruin Starship, ruin Artemis, ruin Mars, ruin everything

>>15658362
What are we supposed to be seeing, the tarp over the bidet to keep debris out of the holes?

>>15658362
EXTEDEND ZE PLATE

>>15658380
i see

>>15658378
the tape...

>>15658389
There is no tape in that image.

can we evacuate everyone from ISS and crash that shit into the ocean. I fucking hate that piece of junk
Uhhhh MAH SCIENCE. All science was already researched here. And that trash flies so low that humans stopped progressing because 1960s rocket can reach ISS anyway. Soon even North Korea will be able to dock ISS.
Politician thinks:
>You already have your station (piece of junk) on orbit. Here is your 20 billion so supply it and for fuel to constantly boost orbit
>F-35 yeah that what we need. 666 gojilion dollars here we go.

At least good that we started with private companies
I want world to be like in a Outer Worlds game. When corporations control entire planets and opress workers here

Anyways what is he even on about

>>15658423
MEDS!
!
!

>>15658457
it's spray paint doe

>>15658228
i mean starlink investors arent gonna want all their revenue going toward mars colonies

>>15658474
that's why there shouldn't be any, just leave it as a money printer for bootstrapping the Mars colony

>>15657984
NEAT! Although I assume we will barely be able to see anything

>>15658133
Redditard spacing. Go back now

>>15658245
Yeah wtf was up with this, anyways? Was some SNC artist high or something

>>15658457
Yes you should take yours if you think concrete is being taped together.

>>15658362
L2 says it could be another month for repairs

>>15658552
no

>>15658362
whats with the colored lines? are those cracks from the static fire?

>>15658537
It marks known cracks, and lets you see if they expand since it'll dislodge or tear the tape

>>15658565
if i thought do what i ought it would or wouldnt match. lets try this. it will match if meant.

I'm imagining a Starship pivot for SpaceX: the Falcon H2, with five boosters which would lift a smaller Starship into orbit

My only concern is that the central core wouldn't be powerful enough to boost anything bigger than the upper stage they already use

>>15658576
you need to be 18 to use 4channel

>>15658578
if u find its good . improve 18

>>15658565
Anon, those colored lines are not tape.

>>15658589
ill wait for you but quickly ill have something. i do

Does the 33 engine system got too many failure points? Is that the problem?

>>15658606
no, treating failure points as a simple numerical thing is silly.

>>15658610
33 engine failure points
vs
9 engine failure points

33 - 9 = 24 extra failure points. Its simple probability factor.

>>15658618
Alson on F9, with 9 engines, if 1 fails, thats 11% fail. On Starship, if 4 fails, thats 12%. The ~10% failure seems to be the common thing with the Starship engines.

>>15658606
>3 rings
>33 engines
>33 / 3 = 11
>11 / 3 = 3.666666667
>4 engines shut down last static fires

it is simple maths sirs

When is Johny Kim getting a flight assignment

>>15658651
he'll be the first colored person on the moon

>>15658660
Asians arent colored sorry. They're white adjacent.

>>15658606
wow that sure is a lot of failure points, there's no way spacex can make it work

DOOR

>>15658701
>a
>>15658701
>>15658701

>>15658706
is this the starlink shooter

>>15658706

>>15658706
human door?

>>15658781
nah it's made of metal

>>15658706
is that a earplug dispenser on the ring?

>>15658706
some1 compare this to LEM

>>15658711
Looks to small for Starlinks

>>15658789
it's the LM not LEM baka

approx

the flaps have got to go. Either make them fixed, or figure out how to land without them.

>>15658806
LUNAR EXCURSION MODULE

>>15658788
100%.
Makes sense. The ring is made for transport, which means you'll always have ground crew and loud-ass machines next to each other.

>>15658813
On what basis are you saying this

>>15658823
WHAT?

>>15658788
Lol looks like it. They probably got a violation at one point and decided to just throw it on the transport hardware

>>15658560
Yes.

>>15658693
This rarely flies.

>>15658576
>Needs double the ground infrastructure to handle two different types of fuel
>Using a reusably-optimized core with boosters that are designed to just barely be reusable with one or three cores only
>needing to keep F9 hardware online for longer when you’re already pivoting to a new rocket
Yeah no

>>15658806
are we getting
a) a long-ass ladder
b) a winch system to lower astros down
c) an elevator platform that you deploy
d) lmao just jump down and use a rope to get back up, 1/6g

>>15658851
rocketpack

https://strawpoll.com/BJnX8eXLLnv
Keep voting for which lunar probe will survive

>>15658851
elevator platform was shown in renders announcing the HLS decision, which makes sense considering the 25 ton cargo delivery capability

>>15658706
>>15658752
So why does it have a convex dome on the bottom? Is that on the transporter part?

>>15658999
It's a pressure vessel.

>>15657359
>Alkohol-Wassergemisch
I'm sure some of that rocket fuel was dunk by the guys working on that rocket

>>15658216
>>15658242
yes, the solution is to send Indian astronauts

>>15658851
e) trampoline

>>15659034
trampolines don't work in a vacuum

>Superheavy still blowing up Raptors

>>15658706
>>15658752
I thought the payload bay went further down, looks like it ends just below the flaps

>>15658693
The Merlins aren’t unreliable shits that blow up every other time they’re fired

>>15659051
Likely they'll stretch the tanks and shorten the pressurized volume for Artemis III HLS, they can extend it to its fullest potential for HLS SLD, even still it would be the largest pressurized volume ever on the moon, astronauts will be able to jump inside their module, actually feel and see lunar gravity working in their ship which none of the Apollo astronauts could

>>15659056
>HLS SLD
Okay a) i’m pretty sure those are two different things and b) I don’t even think NASA is referring to BO’s lander as ‘SLD’ anymore. And come to think of it, is BO’s lander also referred to as “HLS” now?
Whatever I’m not that anon by the way, just being autistic

>>15659048
>>15659053
None of the Raptors on B9 blew up during the static fire.

>>15659051
>I thought the payload bay went further down

It does.

apparently the large cakes they had on the recovery carriers for Apollo were always terrible

>>15659060
I'm talking about SpaceX's SLD for post Artemis III that NASA already requested for Artemis IV

>>15659067
because they're being made by Culinary Specialist Johnson, 19 year old highschool dropout who still has acne and has never operated a washing machine, let alone an oven before he got put in charge of making food for hundreds of people

>>15659037
Works on gravity dumbass.

new Eager, Shuttle C was killed because it was too good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPlYCezAKPs

>>15659067
Government MIC cooks, baybee. Worst food you’ll ever eat

>>15659099
I sometimes come back to this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0nkhgO1oto

>>15659101
A certified classic. Every war needs “combat” footage like this; just showcasing a day in the life. Similarly, I wish the apollo astronauts had taken the time to just set up a camera and film their private conversations within the LM or something. I guess they had mass constraints though.
I hope Artemis has lots of footage inside of gateway and starship the same way they currently do their little Q&As on ISSxanvyh

>>15658823
I read that as butt plugs with dispenser

>>15659099
Look at that CCCP /fa/shion, whew. I want those jackets.

>>15658706
Yup, first HLS

>>15659116
LETS GOOOOOOOOO

>>15659116
Very nice. Let’s see Blue Origin’s dedicated hardware

>>15659116
huh, they really just write that on the side of it I guess.
do we figure this is a proof of concept built on a ship they already had? I don't see them putting tiles and fins on it otherwise

>>15659116
WE.
ARE.
GAAN.
captcha GON2V

>>15658706
>someone knocks at your door
>be greeted with this in front of your house
>this is an order for [your mom's name]

>>15659135
>MOM! YOUR DILDOS HERE

>>15659132
Yeah that’s what I assume. I think SX are running so hardware rich right now that they’re just taking pieces and saying “ehh good enough let’s use it as a quick pathfinder for some other ideas”

>>15659142
Which is so much more information rich than running endless sims I bet

>>15659145
Oh they certainly do both. Damn I totally forgot the context but I remember SX was running starship sims on a NASA computer like a year or two ago. I think they were modeling bellyflop dynamics or something. Does this sound familiar to anyone?

>>15659132
Yes, it used to be Ship 22 but they cut off the nosecone and welded it to some special ring and "e-dome".

>>15659116
Well it isn’t the jumbo sized cargo door that I expected

>>15659159
NASA detailed some new “multiple independent airlocks” design in an update like a month or two ago. Can’t remember if it was a teleconference or a powerpoint or what

Whatever happened to the solar array ‘fans’ on starship. How does it get power now

>>15659168
Fuel cells probably. Apollo had em. Shuttle had em. Now it’s Starship’s turn
Of course, HLS moonship will have solar cels - at least according to the current renders, but that might change

>>15659168
LK99 mini particle accelerator producing negative pions which decay rapidly to muons allowing for room temperature fusion

>>15659185
which is then used to heat a kettle of potable water that then boils and produces steam which is directed to turn a turbine that then produces electricity

>>15659187
kek I can’t wait for us to start building antimatter reactors that work like this

>>15659187
I was thinking that as I posted lmao

>>15659192
>meet ayys with some advanced undiscovered alien power source
>they use it to boil water to produce steam to turn turbines

Fuck fiji water, real ones know where the best water in the known universe actually hails from

>>15659168
>How does it get power now

The current concept art shows the solar panels being on HLS itself like they are on Dragon capsules.

>>15659213

All hail the king

>>15659239
Fuck mass constraints, can Musk please randomly paint a new core with an interesting livery at least once? It would be kino

>>15659243
Artemis FHs better be decked the FUCK out or I’m going to be upset

>>15658133
>Starliner still is not ready
Starliner will launch any day now, it's only been one year away from crewed launch for the last five years.

>>15657381
I think I would have an existential crisis if I saw this with my own eyes while standing on the Moon

>>15659243
it would turn sooty immediately though

>>15659247
There are no Falcon Heavies currently planned for Artemis besides the initial Gateway launch.

That very well could change if there is an HLS or suit delay and NASA decides to expend the last Block I SLS doing something other than a landing. Block IB are a long time away.

>>15659239
not a rocket infographic I ever thought I'd see before SpaceX lmao

>>15659243
the color of something fancy, like a crystal for example.
maybe sapphire blue?

>>15659259
Expendable launches

>>15659264

>>15659261
Assuming it ever actually happens, isn't Dragon XL supposed to be launched on a Falcon Heavy?

>>15659243
>>15659247

>>15659091
> escape tower on Shuttle C

>>15659272
>hey guys what if we stick an Ariane 5 core on top of a Shuttle SRB.

Ares I made sense in comparison.

Yee olde COTS participants:
Andrews Space
Transformational Space Corp
Rocketplane Kistler ("RpK")
Spacehab
SpaceDev
Constellation Services International (CSI)
t/Space
PlanetSpace

how many of these could have actually done shit if they had money?

>>15659274
Kek what if musk did this just to rub it in

>>15658706
I already wondered if they would use a short Starship as HLS yet it still disappoints me to no end.

>>15659272
>>15659282
Fun fact! These weirdo rocket abominations are each almost as tall as a block 1 SLS.

>>15659282
I am willing to bed honest-to-god legal tender that at least one company seriously proposes a liberty with an A6 core in the next 5-10 years

The choice is Clear.

>>15659287
Hello Dr. Z!

>>15659282
Everything dies, baby, that's a fact
But maybe everything that dies some day comes back

>>15659290
I can’t remember which, but one of these unironically proposed just using their home garage as the facility center lol

>>15659296
yeah wtf did some of these literally who companies actually propose? >>15659290

>>15659300
Probably more just numbers, figures, hypotheticals, and vague pressure vessels more than anything
Pop quiz, anyone know what pic rel is??? It’s deeper iceberg stuff :)

this was QuickReach
ahhh glorious 2006 era private company space proposals

>>15659303
>Details have emerged of the UK's first commercially designed and built manned capsule that was delivered in 2005 to US customer [DELETED]

>>15658851
Magnet boots

>>15659304
you forgot to add the krystal porn page

>>15659290
>Constellation Services International
>Progress
>Soyuz
>RKK Energia
Holy shit, imagine an American privately funded Progress.

Digging around some more I found this gold.

https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-jay-patel-to-be-1st-indian-space-tourist-1236394

Patel, 29, who was born in the city and is set to be the first Gujarati to tour space, belongs to a diamond merchants’ family based in New York. He has interests in the hospitality business and is fascinated by aviation.
His 18-hour space flight may take place in November or by January 2010. Hollywood star John Travolta, Patel’s neighbour, is likely to be his co-passenger. Joining Patel and Travolta on the Space Van, a craft belonging to the United States-based PanAero Inc, will be Russian realty magnate Sergei Polonsky.
Space Van 2010 has secured an in-principle approval from NASA, and preparations are on for the November launch.
“I was informed by PanAero last week that the got approval from NASA,” Patel said. “This is a great feeling. Preparations for the flight are in the final stages.” His enthusiasm for the flight has been intensifying since 2005, when he paid the passenger fare of $2,00,000 (about Rs10,411,244).

holy shit lmao

>>15659304
>Proven Team of Industry & Government Partners
The poor thing never had a chance

>>15659305
Here's the acompaning suit

>>15659140
>>15659135

>>15659319
lol

>Advent Launch Services
>Exploration Partners
>Thortek Labs
>Triton Systems

>>15659334
Meanwhile, NASA has a call-to-arms for companies to design lunar landers in order to bring the country back to the Moon… and almost no one even bothers to bid in the first place

>>15659291
She is so beUtiful in this form

>>15659300
A lot of these look like fairly complete proposals, even if most of them boil down to "like Cygnus but with some extra capabilities."

>>15659291
how'd you do the nose cone on that?

>>15659292
who

>>15659291
nice dildo
but clear's dick is bigger

>>15659303
>>15659305
>>15659322
Oh right, this thing, thought it was the BO ComCrew proposal

>>15659376
Yeah I don’t know if BO ever made it to the hardware phase or not with their biconic thing. This is the arguably even dumber Falcon 5 Magic Dragon

>>15659383
Falcon 5 is peak sexo

>>15659386
Actually yeah you’re right. I’m only calling it dumb because they took a huge risk going with F9/Drafon 1/Drafon 2 and it worked amazingly. Musk has always had a long-term goal and stuck with it. Every other nuspace company is playing it by ear and sucking miserably

>>15659383
If they did they never told anyone about it. I don't even think they ever publicly released anything about it other than the name.

Since we talking about crew capsules, is Shenzhou really just a Soyuz? Did the Chinese do ANYTHING interesting with it?

>>15659396
They made it way bigger and, arguably, better. It’s still an outdated design. But in my opinion it’s cool. I have a photo somewhere that shows the true size difference of the interiors but my /sfg/ folder has gotten dangerously big and I can’t remember where I saved shit anymore kek

>>15659396
Interesting is equivalent to new and original, you are asking if the Chinese whi rip everything off did anything new and original with a Soyuz rip off. Figure the answer out for yourself.

>>15658133
Why are all these space stations needed after ISS? Why not focus development on permanent lunar bases that don't have to be constantly and expensively resupplied with fuel, oxygen and water from Earth?

>>15659187
>which is then used to heat a kettle of potable water
sorry, that won't work m8, US only uses 110V

>>15659413
That’s a huge technological leap dude. Ever since that anon said /sfg/ does too much hand-waiving, I’ve been considering this with every large proposal this general throws out.

>>15659419
You are equating the retards in this general that spit their shit ideas out whenever they pop in to their head to the entire general. Please do not compare the rest of us to them, they are literally spincels.

>>15659291
Much better than this one.

>>15659426
Fair enough, but it’s still retarded to ask why someone like roscosmos or BO or SNC or some literal who doesn’t try to just go “build a moonbase and ISRU fuel and oxygen” and skip a small LEO pressure vessel station. Like yes a lunar base is way cooler, but might as well be futuristic ayyy tech compared to rendezvousing and docking a few habs in LEO

I miss spacex Elon

>>15659413
>Why are we spending money on all of these planes? Shouldn't we be building a submarine that doesn't need a constant supply of jet fuel to keep working?

>>15659434
Can you go one second without being depressed, grimes?

>>15658218
depends on how much Elon makes in the IPO

>>15659317
Reminder that John Travolta has a jet pilot license and has many planes including a B727 and B707 which he flies.
>Space Van
never heard of it before
>Russian realty magnate
kek, but at this point a Russky that isn't pockocmoc is okay, I guess

>>15659434
Go visit Hawthorne or Starbase, retard. SpaceX is right there.

>>15659454
kek

>>15659463
in the future that will be pacific island
logo will be spacex logo
starship rapid battlefield delivery system

>>15659470
>logo will be x logo
ftfy

>>15659454
>>15659463
fucking kek

>>15659472
still can't believe the complete lack of fucks Elon gives for those around him

will /sfg/ anons buy starlink services in order to fund mars?

>>15659477
No

>>15659476
$4000 spent in "annoyance fee" = everyone in the world now knows X corp

>>15659480
For once I agree with you

>>15659480
star fox general actually

>>15659480
it’s impressive we’ve been going this long as a general while staying relatively on topic and tripfag free.

Is rocket lab hiring for crew neutron yet?

>>15659495
you mean the capsule they're looking into?

>>15659488
The future of spaceflight is Clear.

>>15659432
>a small LEO pressure vessel station
Starship will make all these tiny future space stations obsolete and useless anyway. It will be just as ridiculous as the giant Starship HLS docking with the tiny Lunar Gateway station to take astronauts down to the Moon.

Attention Bajoran workers, there's no way to sugar coat this. We face a genuine risk of bankruptcy if we can't achieve a Starship flight rate of at least once every two weeks next year.

>>15659543
>the giant Starship HLS docking with the tiny Lunar Gateway
he doesn't know

Not counting the bajillion 8 bit shooters that are just like galaga. Haven't played star citizen although it would probably be either an S or an F, no in-between. Also never played either elite dangerous but I have friends who claim it's based albeit a bit boring. Am I missing anything big or otherwise obvious?

>>15659550
believe in Elon

>>15659558
Stellaris

>>15659558
Atari asteroids and lunar lander are solid Bs.

>>15659558
What is this list? Space Related games? How are they ranked?
Consider:
>Space Station 13
>System Shock 1/2
>Faster Then Light
>Outer Wilds

>>15659564
Not shooter.

>>15659570
KSP and EVE are shooters?

>>15659568
Correct. And yeah I really need to pick up system shock one day. Also there are a million metroid games i’ve never played but I’m not itching to touch them anytime soon

>>15659570
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5zboV3_9KY

>>15659558
Humanity peaked with bungie’s halo trilogy

How are they going to utilize that space once in orbit? That’s like half the space station in volume there, seems like a waste to have most of it empty

>>15659588
It’ll be like skylab. Lots of space utilized for practicality, but also lots of space to roam around and not feel claustrophobic.
I presume HLS will be way smaller though with lots of space used for equipment and storage

>>15659558
Descent: FreeSpace and FreeSpace 2.
If you end up liking those check out the modding community at hard-light.net for updated game engine, graphics, and fan campaigns.

>>15659596
Will check it out thanks. Also just realized I left out 343s halo games but ehhh. Fun multiplayer, dogshit campaign (which is kind of the whole point really)

>>15659558
>no star fox
lurk more faggot

>>15659558
EVE is fun if you’re an excel autist who doesn’t have a job but somehow has infinite disposable income

>>15659608
FUUUUUCK yeah I totally forgot. They’re all fun. I grew up with the original SNES one so I’d put it right above 64

Russians returning Soyuz boosters to the caribou.

>>15659622
Wait wut? What the hell is going on here, how does this even happen

>>15659588
>>15659591
This is HLS though right? Isn't there an HLS label on it? Besides it's way too early to be protyping a crewed ship that's not the lander. The equipment and storage is probably going to go under the tie fighter window floor, as that's a good use for this round bottom that isn't as walkable. It would double as a radiation shelter too.

I think this pressure vessel is going to have openings underneath to access the two airlocks and the garage + elevator in pic related. I can't remember how much of this render is speculative and how much of it is sourced from spotted parts though.

>>15659588
roomy, for now.

>>15659622
imagine if they did falcon 9 style booster landing but they don't need barges

>>15659631
Even if this pic is from confirmed hardware it’s outdated now. Like I said earlier in the thread, NASA said they wanted five independent airlocks or something. Ugh let me go try to find proof and make sure I didn’t just dream this

>>15659627
Oh wait it just occurred to me that those vostochny boosters need to fall somewhere. lol this is neat

>>15659627
Soyuz launches are entirely overland until they hit the Pacific, and they have to go across Russia the long way first. The boosters always come down somewhere in an empty part of the Ural or Siberian oblasts that's been designated as a military testing range. There's actually a cottage industry among the very rural people in the area where they hunt down crashlanded rocket stages and cut them up for scrap.

>>15659645
N1 bootleg farm equipment vibes

>>15659638
Makes sense. Two airlocks sounds like what you would do for two astronauts going outslde. But that's what we did with a tiny lander. Maybe nasa looked at the giant spaceship and said why not design it for whole teams to EVA even if they don't do that on the first trip.

>>15659558
>no one wants to turd wrangle autistic UI of x4
Feels jerman man

>>15659657
Hmm yeah well I can’t seem to find anything. Off the top of my head this info was given out either during the BO announcement or during the IFT-1 broadcast. Idk. I think within the next year or two we will see more official renders and plans from NASA and SeX and I’m so pumped to see what they are working with
Also I’m a houston fag and I’ve been thinking of taking some time off of work and doing a paid VIP tour at johnson. They take you inside the vehicle mock up facility (which is viewable as a guest; but a VIP tour includes lunch with an astronaut and an actual tour of the facility and stuff)
If I decide to do this I’ll pool autism HLS questions from /sfg/ and try to get inside scoops if I can

>>15659638
this is hyperbole right? I get 2 for redundancy but 5 just sounds like wasted space

>>15659683
My hand on the bible I remember someone announcing this, relatively recently in fact. And my first reaction was “uhh what the hell why??”
I’m seriously starting to think it was just a dream and I’m going senile. I can’t find evidence for it anywhere

https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1690570684475600896
China launched a SAR satellite to geosynchronous orbit on a Long March 3B earlier today.

I was not expecting a 27 year old hypergolic rocket to launch with this sort of a soundtrack.

>>15659721
Kek the music caught me off guard. I guess rocket autism and hype music edits transcends creed and culture

>>15659721
Chink rockets are actually kino as hell. It’s just that they’re always shows in like 144p resolution so they seem more boring than they actually are

>>15659726
Someone in CASC decided that it should go full epic trailer music the moment CZ-3B slides into frame.

I'm also halfway convinced that there's an unofficial contest among the Chinese bystanders to see who can get the closest to a launch with their smartphone and survive.

>>15659668

>>15659749
rip queen, if only they paid attention in K-12

>>15659749
:(

>>15659645
>ywn make a living from your cabin innawoods repurposing rockets that have fallen from the sky

>>15659749
BAD END

>>15659749
And nothing of value was lost.

>>15659782
i’m trans btw, go Team Blue™!

>>15659753

>>15659789
NASA was just rubbing it in at this point kek, like I think they were genuinely disappointed

>>15659789

>>15659789
when that doc got released it was a glorious day for /sfg/

WE STAND FIRM IN OUR BELIEF THAT THERE WERE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES WITH NASA’S DECISION, BUT THE GAO WASN’T ABLE TO ADDRESS THEM DUE TO THEIR LIMITED JURISDICTION.

>>15659810
Is this just code for “NASA pulled a sneaky but also they sort of didn’t have any money to begin with”

>>15658806
whats with the military-esque security

>>15659813
Dianetics‘s bid was like 2x BO even iirc lol

>>15659813
I interpret it as “THE GAO KNOWS CONGRESS IS PISSED BUT WE AREN’T GOING TO BE TOO SPECIFIC BECAUSE IT’S CONGRESS’ FAULT TO BEGIN WITH”
But they can’t exactly say that lol

>>15659818
Oldspace management moment

>>15659749
Steal it lol

>>15659558
starfield with ai companions and multiplayer

>>15659645
If Luna-25 is a success they should save these and put them in a museum

>>15659274

>>15659588
Remember those rope net climbing days in gym class in elementary school? That.

>>15659813
Nah it's more like they think they had technical superiority but the GAO only cares about the contract and how it was awarded

Nobody at the GAO is a rocket scientist, and even if they were, they aren't going to judge an appeal on whether or not your bid was better

It’s insane to think about how a Delta II with an RS-27A launched as recently as 2018. That damn V2/H-1 engine lasted a long ass time

>>15659558
>no in-between
Autism

>>15659116
Why is it tiled then?

>>15659938
Because it’s S22 repurposed with new design goals

>>15659476
San Francisco deserves no worse.

>>15659979
*much worse

>>15659982
Yeah I'm still drinking my morning coffee.

its going to be 2 years beffore we get a real hls starship

>>15659053
not anymore. It took a long time to get them that way

>>15658851
I hope they go with "lmao just jump"

>>15658448
>not boosting it into a stable orbit as a museum piece
booooo

ffs musk quit it with the Russian apologetics
t. spaceflight

new pockocmoc upload https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euJl3jBE3zw

>>15659558
Where the fuck is Outer Wilds?

Went out to watch the perseid meteor shower with my dad. Saw maybe 1 every 5min. Still pretty neat though.
g'night /sfg/

>>15657732

What is the advantage of a swing hatch over a payload bay?

>>15660132
You meant Outer worlds

How the fuck is this acceptable? Boeing has those congressmen/senators in their pockets don't they?

>>15660164
It isn't acceptable, but yes, they do have those politicians in the right places in their pocket.
And that makes it acceptable, because continued jobs in districts held by said politicians.

>>15660171
this is why space command should've been in alabama, so they can get more gibs. instead its in colorado now and they wont get any additional gibs.

>>15657853
whypipio don't season they oxygen tanks

>>15660161
No he didnt faggot

>>15659588
>same pressurized volume as the international space st-ACK
Again, a convenient lie. Astronauts will reside in the cuck sphere, and they will be happy

>>15660164
The cost-plus SLS contract will surely cancel out these relatively small Starliner losses over the next few decades

>>15659749
love to see her spread those legs one last time

>>15660208
KYS

>>15660217
Indeed, many times. By suffocation, drowning, collision, supernova, anglerfish, crushing, electrocution, fire, ghost matter...

>>15657355
nazi fuel?

>>15660265
Übermenschium.

i love moon

>>15658152
>dream chaser is never happening
t. cuckpod midwit
The rest is true, too many cgi memestations

>>15658706
Thumbnail looks like Orion, he

>>15659789

>>15658067
Here's a good pic for scale

>some companies actually took the Zubrin pill and build hybrid methanol fuel cells
Based?
https://serene.advent.energy/

>>15659558
>space related games
>most of them are shooters
retard

CAM ON ELAN BASTARD
STATIC FIRE THE BLOODY ROCKET KINDLY

>>15660489
They already did, silly

>>15660494
We've had one, yes. What about second static fire?

>>15659622
Did that thing impale itself on a tree?

Imagine the sound

>>15660511
He doesn't know about second static fire, anon

>>15659789
>>15660389
Wait so her ass was canonically too fat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEyoqlzvf4k

There’s no way starship demonstrates multiple test flights, gets crew rated, demonstrates orbital refueling without boil off, launches multiple starships to refuel a demo HLS all by 20205-2026, there is no way right?

>>15660589
no
launch in 2030 at best

>>15660584
beaner video

>>15660589
Boil off is overblown. So you lose 10% of the fuel you stick in there in the 2 months it takes you to fill it? Big whoop.

>>15660589
Don't worry, literally every other part of nasa's moon strategy is gonna get delayed multiple times before then, it'll be interesting to see who actually finishes first.

>>15660589
Bet

>>15660589
probably not, but I get the feeling that once the first flight test succeeds, everything else will fall into place fairly rapidly

https://twitter.com/cb_doge/status/1690684441931239424

>>15660591
Starship is made by beaners

>>15660697
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1690747345674137600