/sci/ - Science & Math

Vastchads rise up.

9 is the strongest rocket number.
>Falcon 9
>SN9
>LV0009

Did they stick the hotstaging vent on booster 9 yet?

Challenger was intentionally destroyed in 1986 because the next launch was scheduled to be HST, but NASA didn't have the software ready to operate HST. Instead of admitting that they couldn't put the software together in time, they bought themselves a 4 year delay by detonating Challenger. Once the software was completed, shuttle flight resumed, HST was the first launch after the delay.

New York Times, April 9, 1990
https://web.archive.org/web/20150525194741/http://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/09/us/telescope-is-set-to-peer-at-space-and-time.html?pagewanted=2

>When the project was officially begun in 1977, the goal was to loft the telescope by 1983. Technical problems, particularly with the optical systems and the guidance and pointing mechanisms, set the launching back to 1986. Then came the Challenger shuttle disaster in January 1986, killing seven astronauts, and the Hubble telescope and everything else were grounded indefinitely.

>But as it turns out, project managers acknowledge, ground controllers would not have been ready in 1986. The computer software for pointing the telescope and other complex operations was found inadequate and had to be completely revised, a task only recently completed.

So HST's launch was (((conveniently))) delayed by the Challenger explosion in 1986 and shuttle missions were then delayed until after the HST ground control software could be cobbled together, all without causing any public embarrassment for the NASA failures who couldn't get the HST software put together on time like they had initially claimed they could.

>>15567930
Yes, also the world is flat and stationary and you will never escape the firmament, all your rockets hit a wall and never come back.

How long will it take to build? August 2025 launch is optimistic

>>15567936
They already made a full scale prototype door. I believe they will stay on track for then.

We should build an orbital strapper station to recycle space junk. Lots of money to be made

>>15567936
Another literal who company which is going to underengineer parts that matter, overengineer parts that don’t, and claw to keep investors happy? I wouldn’t get too excited

>>15567943
Collecting literal scrap metal does not make money.

>>15567948
But the valuable metals in solar arrays, circuits and spaceframes do. Melting the metal into sheets for orbital construction would give you steady contracts

>>15567952
>hey lets make a literal blast furnace on a spacestation to manufacture massive fucking sheet metal and charge 10x what Starship would do pound for pound to barely make a profit
Do I even need to ask how you would dissipate heat, reduce safety hazards, or how the crew would live, how big this fucking station would need to be? Just peddle your fucking O'Neill cylinders already.

>>15567941
thats just an AI pic, they haven't built anything

>>15567936
I expect the cupola and dome area to be completed by year's end along with all external hardware such as the solar panels and mounting/unfurling/refurling elements. Then all of 2024 for the main cylinder, reinforcements, and integrated orbital maneuvering systems + all interior segmentation in the form of 2-3 decks, rooms, hardware, etc.

Expected launch Spring 2025.

>>15567973
>how the crew would live, how big this fucking station would need to be?
Just use remote operation, dipshit
Also, it’s mostly unscrewing solar panels and old circuit boards and brought back from orbit.
Read a book, nigger

>>15568004
Is it this one?

>>15568011
More akin to this

>ywn leave this planet
Why do boomers on this board bother living? Thank god I'll live on Mars.

>>15567917
>SN9

>>15568028
Sometimes I wonder how many messages in this thread are AI generated.

>>15568027
You clone yourself and send your kids into in demand colony industries. The Great Journey waits for no one but you can make genetic investments

>>15568028
SN9 was a baka. Cirnopost still applies.

>>15568028
>Anonymous (9)

If you take the mass out of the rocket you take the pain out of propulsion.

>>15567930
It's a funny theory, but doesn't it fall apart when you remember they fucked up the mirror and didn't catch that in the four year gap? Thus putting multiple crews at maximal risk by forcing them to go out and repair the stupid thing.

kek

>>15568215
kek indeed

Thoughts? Looks like an upper stage pressure vessel maybe.

>>15568308
Judging by the flange, it kinda looks like a tank dome for a fairly narrow composite rocket stage.

>>15568308
A reddit post said it is from an Indian rocket

>>15568349
And a 4chan post is telling you to go back

>>15568355
The fun thing about anonymity is that you will never be able to know if I went back. You might even talk to me again without knowing it was the reddit anon :)

>>15568372

>>15568372
Yeah, but that doesn't the fact that you are a redditor.

>>15568372
lmao
nobody will know I browse reddit as much as /sfg/

Spotted on a beach in Western Australia. What do we think it is?

>>15568429
ESL-chama... Your English reps...

Amazing track record.

>>15568477
Scroll up for two seconds you fucking nigger

>>15568037
> the female zoomernauts will post lewd zero g videos to their Onlyfans

>>15568488
Sorry I'm posting from Ceres

>>15567916
Why are we rising up today fellow vastchad?

I think we should reconsider spaesthetics and deorbit a bunch of space junk and not build gigantic ugly solar power bullshit

>>15567952
>valuable metals in solar arrays
recycling solar arrays isn't profitable even on Earth

>>15568477
they keep getting hit

>>15568477
lol random pressure tank suriving reentry. It really is that easy

What did the mysterious NASA cube that a Croatian fisherman found contain?

>>15568528
Yeah I've got a dude I know doing a postgrad in materials science. As part of some cucked greenoid shit he had to do one of the things was recycling of materials. He chose to do solar panels and the results were laughable. The things are so dogshit to recycle and they rank so low in profitability that you just throw then in landfill.

>>15568541
I remember someone on /sfg/ going on a road trip to try and collect debris after a Falcon 2nd stage or something reentered.

>>15568004
>unscrewing solar panels
Anon, you know that solar panels become less efficient with age, right? They just put up a bunch of new ones on ISS. The old ones weren't even worth removing, they just slapped the new ones in front.
>old circuit boards
For what purpose, a museum display? I've got plenty of old circuit boards here on Urf, only a few of them have parts worth recovering. And when you send them to be "recycled", they just end up in piles somewhere in China.

>>15568349
DESIGNATED
Your move now, Esperance.
>>15568308
>>15568541
and it floated there too, look at all the barnacles on only half of it, this is the power of corbon feebers

Seems a bit extreme, don't they normally dump these things in the Pacific?

>>15568717
obvious shoop is obvious

>>15568477
>Having non landing stages
absolutely embarssing

>>15568717
Why make the inclination change when it already goes over Baikonur? I'm sure we can bribe Kazakhstan to let it slide.

>>15567930
I assumed you were joking last time. Still a stupid idea. Challenger did far deeper damage to NASA's repulation than another delay to a difficult program.
Also this always happens with delays to missions. Some critical problem forces a delay and suddenly three or four unrelated problems emerge, because no one wants to be first to declare a delay.

I am starting a space tourism company. I've got a lead on some cheap NASA-engineered parts- A few carbon fiber fuselages, pre-STS-51 SRBs, and other off-the-shelf components. Only $20k to be a mission specialist on the first FRENSHIP rocket.

https://spacenews.com/u-k-parliament-committee-recommends-streamlining-launch-licensing/

>>15568802
that is the most /sfg/ rogget that I have seen in a while

>>15568816
I love old /sfg/ memes

>>15568717
caught me by surprise kek hearty chuckle

They’re gonna put him on Artemis III, they have to right?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1680904161640980481

>>15568830
No, NASA has way too many obligations to foreign partners. There needs to be room for hitchhikers

https://twitter.com/jenakuns/status/1680828001649577984

>Jeff Bezos, our founder and Executive Chair, owns Blue Origin, an aerospace manufacturer and spaceflight services company, and entities that publish The Washington Post, and we do business in the ordinary course with each company. In 2022, Amazon sold approximately $10.6 million of consumer goods to Blue Origin under a line of credit. In 2022, Amazon purchased approximately $1.8 million of advertising from, and paid approximately $9.4 million related to digital content to, the Washington Post entities, all on terms negotiated on an arms-length basis.

> As previously disclosed, in 2022, Amazon announced agreements with Blue Origin and a third party pursuant to which it expects to pay approximately $7.4 billion for satellite launch and related services through 2028, of which approximately $2.7 billion was expected to be paid to Blue Origin. The actual amounts paid to Blue Origin and the third party may be higher or lower based on various factors. Since the beginning of the last fiscal year, Amazon paid approximately $1.7 billion under the agreements, and approximately $585 million is estimated to have been paid to Blue Orig

Page 125 of Amazons 2023 shareholder meeting proxy statement under "Certain Relationships and Related Person
Transactions"
https://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001018724/d293bcf1-ac77-43c4-b69e-100eec50d28d.pdf

>>15568842
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1680939938869567489

Berger thinks the contract price includes factors unrelated to the actual launch price, i.e. the cost of launch per New Glenn would not be 100 million, but somewhat lower (depending on how much Amazon subsidizes stuff like infrastructure building)

https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1680591081283665920

>>15568847
https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1680593143685853184

Chinese spaceplane?

https://twitter.com/virgingalactic/status/1680895930961371136

>>15568845
NG clocking in at $100 mil wouldn’t be terrible. It could be way better, yes. But this price point gives BO more capability for cheaper than a Vulcan-Centaur

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCcTcmo5KkI

>>15568851
yeah 100mil would not be bad especially with 45 tonnes to LEO
that would beat F9 pretty well (67mil for 17.4 tonnes)

>>15568849
Oh will they be going on a actual rocket after a practice run with Virgin Galactic?

>>15568864
every other sentence being "going to space" was pretty funny
almost like they are trying to convince themselves
or maybe this is some normie/midwit marketing thing, you have to keep repeating it so they get it

>>15568802
Guaranteed to be a titanic success.

can you even request a new booster from spacex anymore if you want

>>15568849
>sending black people in deathtraps
Diabolical

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1680952620142264323?s=20

>>15568884
Yes but it’s your loss. It only takes SX two weeks to make a falcon heavy from scratch, INCLUDING a new capsule, upper stage, and all associated merlins. I figure they could make just a new booster in a week if you really wanted it that bad

>>15568886
how many launches till they have a mesh big enough for service? Have they even started building the ground stations?

>>15568886
Does vulcan even have a purpose? Should have just upgraded Atlas V to AR1s and done Atlas V Heavy

>>15568895
no purpose
just keeping the employees busy until ULA gets split up and sold Q2 2024

>>15567930
>gigachad 1980s NASA psychopaths kill seven astronauts to engineer a delay in their space telescope
>virgin 2010s NASA wimps ride out delay after delay on the JWST instead of engaging in reckless property destruction

Based Boomers.

>>15568886
Does this mean that the first production batch of Kuiper sats is going to be launched before the prototypes that were scheduled to be rideshares on Vulcan?

>>15568895
Atlas V uses Russian engines

>>15568961
This hurts my American pride

>>15568044
You wouldn't expect the rocket of 2050 to be made of normal materials.

> every Hubble pic is a product of mass murder
very arousing tbph

>>15568982
I don't see the LM on that chart. The moon does have an atmosphere

>>15568932
I wouldn't be surprised honestly.
Amazon has until the end of 2025 to put 1,618 satellites in orbit or lose the orbit/communication band held for them.

If each launch puts 60 sats in orbit, they will need 27 launches minimum to get there. Which is roughly 1 launch a month from now until the end of 2025 when the timeline is up.

Imagine ULA launching more than 1 rocket a month.

>>15568999
ONE of the 16-launch falcon 9 boosters could have provided ALL of the Atlas V launching needs going back to Feb 2020.

Could Honda potentially have enough capital to develop a small lift liquid fueled rocket?

They have a growing share in the aviation industry.

>>15568961
Hence why I said it should have been upgraded to AR1 engines, an American RD-180 copy that ULA ended up not going with

The Moon is a comet

>>15569044
The moon is a space plane

>>15569007
why would they do that?

>>15569044
DIVHTO

>>15569052

Honda is known for very bold and ambitious engineering projects, so entering the launch sector wouldn't be out of their league.

>>15569007
I think most sizable companies have the capital to develop a small lift rocket. As to why they would is another matter.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/former-astronaut-says-its-extremely-important-to-study-artificial-gravity/

> The "CAM" was the Centrifuge Accommodations Module, originally built by the Japanese space agency. It was intended to provide an environment for artificial gravity experiments, from just slightly above zero gravity all the way to 2 gs. However, NASA canceled the final development and launch of the centrifuge module in 2005 due to budgetary concerns.
lol

https://spacenews.com/china-sets-out-preliminary-crewed-lunar-landing-plan/

> The mission envisions a crewed spacecraft and lander segments launching separately on a pair of under-development Long March 10 rockets. The crew spacecraft and landing stack will rendezvous and dock in lunar orbit ahead of a moon landing attempt.

>>15569080
https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1679389559912648705

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/17/firefly-aerospace-close-to-announcing-capital-raise.html

> The Austin-based rocket builder and in-space services company is close to announcing the closure of an oversubscribed capital raise, its CEO Bill Weber told CNBC’s Manifest Space. The startup, now valued at over $1 billion, gained more commitments to invest than initially planned at a time when many space startups struggle with diminishing funds and a broader downturn in investments.

> The company will provide launch services to the U.S. Space Force next month for its Space Systems Command’s VICTUS NOX mission. Firefly’s lunar lander, Blue Ghost (named after the North Carolina lightning bug) will head to the moon next year. Weber told CNBC the company is also in talks with the intelligence community about classified payloads.

> Firefly’s client base has expanded to include defense contractors. Firefly recently inked an agreement to launch a tech demonstration for Lockheed Martin. Northrop Grumman has partnered with the startup to develop MLV, designed to replace the Antares rocket that is currently built in Ukraine and powered by Russian engines.

>>15568802
the Estes launch mount really pulls the propsal together

>>15568895
>>15569037
Vulcan has (some) reuse, is capable of doing D4 Heavy launches and is cheaper than Atlas V.

>>15568895
to keep the sweet, sweet govt EELV bucks rolling in after Delta IV is retired (too expensive) and Atlas V is retired (Russian engines).

If the government required reusable launch vehicles for future contracts
what would happen

>>15569194
They would stop launching on anything but falcon for the better part of a decade.

>>15569070
"When I was up there on the space station, there was still the sign that says, 'get KEKED,'" Reisman said in an interview. "But there's just a closed hatch. It was tragic. It was just kind of taunting me when I saw that because I think that could have been one of the most important scientific discoveries that we made."

What is wrong with nasa

https://youtu.be/eC5Q-iay4yU
the black guy does it again
fantadtic video

>>15569257
nice

Watercooled plate goes fwoosh

>>15569194
"Give us billions of dollars so we can develop a reusable launch vehicle. If you don't America will lose vital engineering experience."

>>15567978
For fuck's sake, stop putting words in my mouth and moving the goalposts, nowhere do I claim that it was a massive failure, merely that not all failures give you learnings of an equal amount/quality/importance.

This is what you get when you let Elon Musk make a rocket

>>15569292
cool. i think that's only the center part.
also reduced pressure very quickly.

>>15569292
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg
so about 7 minutes back
1:22:33

When naysayers said starship couldnt be ssto the raptor was still 2
Raptor 3 starship can definitely SSTO
I beliebe it

>>15569292
here's video
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1681007026556502016

>>15568717
A Modest Proposal.png

>>15569312
seems to be that is what happens when you make a rocket in general
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-c0J-g9Ppw

>>15569328
SSTO from Earth? No

>>15569330
that bird got fucked

>>15569295
billions is small potatoes these days, NASA is demanding $50 trillion to "fix global warming"

>>15569337
good

>>15569312
/sfg/ has been trying to bury this video for years

>>15569345
Lol it is funny that the only commercial payload SpaceX has lost was..... a Facebook satellite

>>15569347
that's where the animosity began. zucky knows it was on purpose

>>15569347
Why the hell did facebook need a satellite anyway?

>>15569355
Wasn't it to give facebook to africa

>>15569356
yes

>>15569355
>>15569356
>>15569360
I mean, if there is such a thing as “at least this one blew up and not a more important mission” then this is it lol

>>15569292
Do we know what pressure the water is at?

>>15569347
This and the Challenger distress were inside jobs

>>15569334
Proof?

>>15569376
it came to me in a dream

>>15569328
Speaking of Raptor 3, what do you guys think will be the operational thrust? Do you think it's going to be 270 tons-ish for the over 9000 tons of thrust (i.e. they're seeing a path to ~290-300 tons max thrust) or do you think the 270 tons Elon's been posting recently is going to remain the maximum thrust for this revision, so operational thrust would end up around 250 tons, probably just enough to beat BE-4?

>>15569401
There's more to engine revisions than just THROOST.
Namely reliability and TWR.

>>15569292
That doesn't look like that much water, especially not compared to 39a. A properly built pad not some billionaire's ego cost cutting pad

https://twitter.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1681018364410359809

>>15569257
https://twitter.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1680999098114101249

>>15569413
cope

>>15569430
This is only the center part of the plate.
It's obvious in the video.
That's why there's two separate water supplies.
Only one was used.

is there a practical speed limit for inflatable planes? Could they in principle go supersonic?

>>15569480
Yes they could.
No it doesn't matter.

>>15569480
They're going all the way to orbit

>>15569426
How is the lib left basedjak wrong though?
>inb4 I drew him as a seething basedjak so he must be wrong

>>15569519
if you can't immediately see how retarded those claims are you are the basedjak

>>15568215
kek but also anything is more effective than effective altruism.
God I hate rationalists.

https://twitter.com/RyanHansenSpace/status/1681017491173044224

Is starliner kill?
I think so. Boeing doesn’t do anything quickly (or competently) and the flammable wiring probably means taking the ships completely apart and reassembling them (assuming they actually were built to be disassembled! Otherwise it could mean throwing parts of it away and starting over) Boeing moves so slowly I don’t see this being done within a year.

From a short term business perspective, Boeing would be smart to cut their losses and cancel the program. Also, if they spend the money on fixing starliner but it still fails/kills a crew, they’re much worse off than just cancelling the project now.

But from a longer term perspective, cancelling means not being a contender in space anymore. So all future bids for space stuff will be harder to win.
I think they’re incompetent now and don’t show any signs of improving, thus starliner is dead. But one of Boeings super abilities is their delusional confidence so I bet what will actually happen is they do the starliner fixes and one of their launches fails.

>>15569545
what's the water pressure

>>15569560
Starliner is kill once its 6 contracted launches are complete.

https://twitter.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1681040477246685189

>>15569572
>>15569560
There’s a nonzero chance they stop their losses and end it early.

>>15568981
But not any kind of carbon composite, a rocket lab carbon composite.

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1681035389908185088

>>15569532
About half of those claims are true though

>>15569480
Wasn't this a Zubrin proposal or something

>>15569376
I have none, but my statement was more of a “it’s retarded to try it” more than “it could never work”
I believe SH has been estimated to be able to just barely SSTO for a while now. But you won’t get any meaningful payload into orbit

>>15569673
which ones specifically?
definitely a capitalist, but that is based

>>15569681
he's not covid-denying, working class exploiting, SEC-defrauding, Bitcoin manipulating, didn't invent anything and uses slave kids to mine cobalt.

>>15569688
>

>>15569690
none of those things are true.
he's union busting, a capitalist and apartheid privileged.
that's about it.
>inb4 redditor seethe

>>15569037
AR-1 can't be a drop in replacement because it was, unfortunately, designed as a worse engine in every respect than the RD-180. Atlas V was designed around the high specific impulse and thrust value of the RD-180.

Wait they just tested the water deluge? Why did none of you tell me?

>>15569693
apartheid priviliged? what the fuck
and union busting is perhaps a matter of perspective, certainly not fond of unions but I don't think he has done anything illegal with respect to unions
in the german plant they have a union for instance, its state mandated
in the USA they don't because UAW doesn't want their members taking stock based compensation

>>15569710
>apartheid priviliged? what the fuck
of course. he grew up white in south africa with his dad being at least a sort of rich guy at the time.

>>15569345
>>15569312
Why are you guys making shit up? I'm on SpaceX's side in all of this, and I've had this saved for years.

>>15569716
Delete this

>>15569716
It's Common Sense Skeptic or one of his acolytes posting in the thread.
He found it a few days ago.
Just ignore.

>>15569714
the whole concept is retarded
everybody had it better in south africa previously
both the blacks and whites
that would be like saying you have "swedish privilege" for growing up in sweden
thats retarded

>>15569720
Oh, that midwit dipshit. Great.

>>15569721
Exactly

>>15569681
>egocentric
>Apartheid-privileged (grew up white in SA so technically true regardless of what you say)
>union-busting (lost a union-busting case against the NLRB, I'm pretty sure that Tweet is still not taken down lol)
>Bitcoin-manipulating
>capitalist (lol)
He obviously hasn't defrauded the SEC, but he settled with them over fraud charges following something that was quite obviously fraudulent behaviour

>>15569710
He grew up white in SA, that makes him Apartheid privileged like whites in the US were segregation-privileged. Call it a technicality if you will but it's just a fact.
He has lost a case against the NLRB and had to explicitly announce in front of his employees that they are legally allowed to form a union because his actions were found to violate labour laws, thus even if you ignore all the union-adverse behaviour of Tesla he can legally be considered union-busting.

rocket scientists are actually rocket engineers

>elon cock gobblers out in full force

>>15569706
It was posted in the thread, not our problem if you can't read.

>>15567930
Utterly deranged.

>>15569729
>redditor seethe

>>15569725
>He grew up white in SA, that makes him Apartheid privileged like whites in the US were segregation-privileged. Call it a technicality if you will but it's just a fact.

>You were white therefor your success is not your own
This is the most pernicious, evil, and disgusting crap that ever gets pedaled, and its only purpose is to tell people that they should suffer and that they deserve to suffer and that they have no business being mad for the suffering that the Communist shitheels in academia are demanding of them. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, you disgusting, vile, racist, subhuman piece of shit.

>>15569736
twitterbrained.
learn to take words for what they mean instead of making things up.
or better yet, just go back.

>>15569725
>Call it a technicality if you will but it's just a fact.
Okay congratulations to him then. Wernher von Braun was a fucking SS officer who oversaw jewish people dying just to build his rocket, and when that rocket was under threat of being cancelled he went to Hitler and personally begged him to keep the project online. And I love WvB
My point is you are weak and gay

>>15569736
i hate black people so much it's unreal

>>15569755
I don't. I hate uncultured ghetto scum and violent criminals no matter what skin color.

>>15569763
Very noble of you, I recognize your virtue. That's what you want, right?

>>15569763
Nigger

>15569725

>>15569764
My morals compels me to not hate people based on race.
In saying the above I am neither lying to myself nor you.

>>15569748
He gets a pass because the V-2 was such a resource gobbler and useless as a strategic weapon the whole program might as well been intentional sabotage.

>>15569768
your morals are objectively incorrect

>>15569775
My morals and morals in general are axiomatic.
They cannot be objectively assessed.

>>15569725
that NLRB case was bullshit and was specifically about the stock options
it wasnt Tesla that said union workers would lose stock options, its that UAW doesn't fucking allow them like I said
losing in some kangaroo court doesnt mean anything, the UAW have been repeatedly shown to be corrupt
> He obviously hasn't defrauded the SEC, but he settled with them over fraud charges following something that was quite obviously fraudulent behaviour
bullshit, he settled so the company could move on

So Musk said their pad upgrades would be done in 2-3 months since the 4/20. Its almost 3 months now.

Is SpaceX gonna make it to the 3 month period of 7/20?

>>15569778
>They cannot be objectively assessed.
Wrong. We can see the subsets of moral values that cannot sustain civilizations and doom the societies that adopt them to extinction. The only way these can be good things is if you hate your fellow human being, and that is the most objective of evils.

>>15569693
>>15569710
Elon is "Union Busting" because non union Tesla employees are paid better than Ford/GM etc.

>>15569785
he said 8 weeks you dumb retard

>>15569785
No. It'll be 4 months or more.
Elon time as usual.
It's a prescription to do miracles and it worked out yet again.
The time from installing the plate to first is so short it's entirely unbelievable.

>>15569788
Correct. They literally call him a Tesla Union Buster because nobody wants to be a part of UAW, either in Tesla management or the work floor.

>>15569778
Sure they can, you can derive most of traditional morality as a minimizer function for murder of ingroup members.

>>15569785
its going to be close, but does it matter if its actually 3 months +2 days or something?
some retards were saying its going to take a fucking year or something retarded

>>15569791
>to first test

>>15569725
>that makes him Apartheid privileged like whites in the US were segregation-privileged

I pity zoomers so much for being taught to hate themselves.

>>15569785
As I said in April, you can expect another launch sometime next year. The only people who think otherwise havent been huffing Elon farts long enough to understand that he gives bullshit timelines for everything

>>15569768
I didn't say you were lying.

>>15569804
>next year
wrong.

>>15569811
Thanks for displaying your retardation all over this general, newfag

>>15569814
holy seethe. it's certainly launching this year.

>>15569736
>You were white therefor your success is not your own
Check your language parser Anon, that is not what the words I wrote mean at all.

>>15569748
If pointing out facts make me weak and gay then so be it. This is /sci/, not /fit/. I'm not even saying or implying it's a bad thing, I'm just pointing out it's true.

>>15569782
The UAW does not, in fact, forbid stock options. You're also missing the part where Tesla unlawfully fired an employee trying to organise a union and had to reinstate him.
>funding secured wasn't obvious fraud to anyone with a brain
lol, lmao even. It was a lie and he knew that it was a lie, this is now even legal fact, it's that simple.

>>15569803
At which point do I say he needs to hate himself for it?

>>15569803
>Zoomers
Aren’t millennials the ones that are angrily playing “Whitey on the moon” on their ukuleles every time Elon so much as shows up on screen?

>>15568885
she looks like one of those white chicks that lives at the beach and not a black person

>>15569818
holy delusional you're a brain dead elon cummie suckler

>>15569855
>elon cummie suckler
go back

>>15569841
>Check your language parser Anon, that is not what the words I wrote mean at all.
There's a concept called "subtext" you may want to look into.

>>15569859
>There's a concept called "subtext" you may want to look into.
you're a woman

>>15569841
Literally no one cares about any of this, you have to go back. He could perform human sacrifices and that would be a chill price to pay for getting us off this dump of a planet.

>>15569865
>You're a woman
>As he cries about gay shit

Can't make this stuff up

>>15569642
the real news for today. $8 billion in revenue is alot. that gives spacex 30% the revenue of boeing. we might see them reach the 50% mark this year.

>>15569865
>you're a woman
Linguistic, academic, and political context, dumbass.

>>15569859
Anon, I'm not trying to push any retarded SJW bullshit when I point out that he's privileged because of his upbringing, I'm just pointing out that he grew up white in SA during Apartheid to show that some of the claims in a stupid meme picture are true.

>>15569868
I'm just pointing it out because someone said it's not true. I want off this rock as much as anyone else here.

>>15569875
Try 10%. Boeing is fat.

>>15569875
That figure includes starlink though which is chewing through a tremendous chunk of that revenue while launching on f9. Still, good news though. Once they are launching on starship if they have a brain they will lower the connection fees and be fucking rolling in cashflow with the amount of starlink customers they will have. Starlink was such a genius move and will entirely bankroll Mars efforts if they do it right.

>>15569873
>As he cries about gay shit
i never did.
you're a nigger or woman if you can't take words for what they mean.

>>15569887
>Anon, I'm not trying to push any retarded SJW bullshit when I point out that he's privileged because of his upbringing, I'm just pointing out that he grew up white in SA during Apartheid to show that some of the claims in a stupid meme picture are true.
There is nothing legitimate about the idea of White Privilege in any context except for differences in culture that create ethnic disparities and brewed racial tensions. There is no external veracity to the idea that being a different race makes you privleged.

>>15569893
Nigger this isn't about race privilege it's about growing up in a place where at the time white people were advantaged over others by (effects of) law.

>>15569903
Have niggers tried not being inferior? That would probably help their situation

>>15569907
Every time some of them do the CIA steps in to fuck things up for them

>>15569903
Unironically what this guy said:
>>15569907
The reason why they "don't try being inferior" is because that's "being white" which their local culture apparently wants everyone to think is bad.

>>15569587
>incomprehensible nigger babble, doesn't have anything meaningful to convey

>>15569909
Did the CIA tell them to shoot each other and sell/consume addictive and dangerous drugs?

Lmao

>>15569587
>>15569918
but methalox rockets can't melt steel plates?

>>15569918
yeah that tweet is retarded.
for the force to reach the foundation it obviously travels through the plate.
also he was saying the pressure doesn't need to be above the stagnation pressure yet if it weren't then exhaust would go inside the plate which would defeat the point of the water.

>>15569917
I still don't fucking care about any of that, inferior or not, they were disadvantaged through segregation laws and that means whites were more advantaged, that's all I'm saying, I'm not commenting on any inherent culture that may or may not make them behave inferior. It's not about that, it's purely about the historical facts of the situation and I've never meant to imply anything else.

>>15569920
>but methalox rockets can't melt steel plates?
Liquid cooling helps quite a bit. It's the same reason why rocket engines don't melt, despite the combustion chamber operating at well above the melting point of the constituent materials.

>>15569716
The best part is at the end where you can see the payload explode as it hits the ground, knowing that it has a Facebook satellite on it.

>concrete and water pipes
how about some actual rocket progress

>>15569930
It's all part of the plan

>>15569930
We had some. China sent their new Methalox rocket into space and plan on launching another at the start of next month.

>15569841(((you)))
>This is /sci/, not /fit/
This is /sfg/ not /sci/

Reminder that you don't have the right stuff without a beautiful wife and children.

>>15569090
Victus Nox eternally one month away

>>15569961
Almost every apollo astronaut ended up divorced, hated by their kids, benevolent against commercial space, and schmitt has sold out for BO. I don’t respect them like I used to

>>15569980
Kek. Also I would be too scared to ever be “software QA” for someone as important as spacex. I’d be too scared to let humans fly on software I was in charge of

>>15568717
god if only this were true

Enron Brusque

>>15569992
>t. burger cannon fodder

>>15569909
is this cia in da hood with you now?

>>15569998
>t. mobnikcube

https://twitter.com/derekdotspace/status/1681091349674639362?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>>15570007
wtf is that

The oil barges idea feels like a fever dream. I was so hyped when Berger & other snoops first found out a random LLC under Elon made a purchase for two of them. The idea was exciting. Then it was radio silence before a slow death

>>15570010
Aerospike bros... we won

>>15569980
>four yes men paid to kiss his ass say nice things about how big his brain is
Pull the other one.

>>15570021
The idea is neat but the platforms always seemed a bit small for Starship, especially once you think about where to put propellants and stuff. At least they got the tower drawworks out of them.

>>15570027
truly delusional

>>15570021
I think it was a bad idea to drop them. They will never be allowed the kind of launch cadence they want from the mainland.

>>15570026
>1990s aerospikes are all first stage engines trying to be good at second stage work to make SSTOs happen
>2020s aerospikes are all second stage engines that do decent first stage work so they pull off propulsive landings for upper stages

It's like we had it backwards all along

>>15570010
>second stage with that much cosine losses.
bro idk about that. the stoke one seems more efficient.

>>15570035
That is not justification for why it's a bad idea.
They might want a bigger or a custom barge.

>>15570046
New Glenn's a big girl. If she could put any more payload into orbit she'd class as a super heavy lift rocket instead of just a heavy. Losing a bit of capacity in exchange for full reusability isn't a big setback.

>>15570059
If you think they will be allowed to make daily launches of starship from Boca Chica I have a bridge to sell you. Same with Florida.

>bigger barge

LOL. Do you really think they can fit all the infrastructure of the OLM, tank farms, etc... onto a fucking boat? By the time you want a boat that big and with the required stability you get an oil rig.

>>15570063
>If you think they will be allowed to make daily launches of starship from Boca Chica I have a bridge to sell you. Same with Florida.
Did I say that?
>LOL. Do you really think they can fit all the infrastructure of the OLM, tank farms, etc... onto a fucking boat? By the time you want a boat that big and with the required stability you get an oil rig.
No I meant bigger platform in general.
Something like phobos and deimos but bigger or something custom.

>>15570035
I believe they just put the idea on the back burner. It took them a good two years to just install basic tank farm and ground service equipment for a “normal” launch site. The rigs were sitting and taking up too many resources

moot should be on dearmoon

>>15570066
>Did I say that?

Pilpul

>>15570014
Some ukr*nian took a couple russian corpses and compressed then into a cube. Redditards saw the image and now think it's le funny meme instead of some african warlord shit.

>>15570059
A barge large enough to handle BASIC starship reusability (two or more flights in a short time span) would need to be of epic proportions. And I don’t even know how you would safely store that much methane and oxygen

>>15570071
*dearmoot

>>15570075
>Invades country
>”NOOOOO! YOU CAN’T JUST COMPRESS OUR DEAD INTO NUTRIENT CUBES! WHAT ABOUT LE HECKIN MORALINOS?!?!”

Please return to your designated containment threads on /pol/, this is the spaceflight general

>>15569841
>At which point do I say he needs to hate himself for it?

The part where you indulged in the white privilege fantasy.

Hobbit Lab live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA6WI05yKHM
Rocket Lab 'Baby Come Back' is live

>>15570071
faggots not allowed

>>15570110
18 bings

uhhh hasn't starlink proven that automated avoidance works? they do thousands of those each year

>>15570119
yes nasa is lagging technologically behind

If there’s a problem, the rocket is going to hold itself. Why does every rocket company do this phony ‘go no-go’ callout. Is it just a remnant from the early space flight days? Theatrics?

>>15570126
>Why does every rocket company do this phony ‘go no-go’
spacex doesn't

>>15570126
is the rocket the only thing that could need to call a hold? they asked RSO for go no-go. rocket doesn't know if there's a problem downrange or with tracking or whatever

will RL ever actually launch a re used first stage you think

>7 launches until the final reuse configuration
are you kidding me

>>15570135
in a few months
>we learned a lot in the electron reuse program and are excited to apply it to neutron :)

>gets cut off
F

Reusable electron reusability stock videos

>closeup footage of haste
cool

>impressive launch cadence
hm

>>15570147
compared to every other small launcher, yes

>>15569052
The same reason all these companies are getting into EVs even though its a dying market; fomo, competition, retarded CEOs thinking they can win.

>>15569984

Planned maiden flights
Ariane 6 – Arianespace – Europe (ESA) – late 2023
Gravity-1 – Orienspace – China – Q4 2023
Kairos – Space One – Japan – Summer 2023
Long March 6C – CASC – China – TBD
New Glenn – Blue Origin – U.S. – late 2023
Vulcan Centaur – United Launch Alliance – U.S. – late 2023

which will actually fly?

man those sheep were running

tracking camera man get your shit together

Max-Qute!

>>15570155
Would have been correct if they didn't throw in the crypto seethe line. How you going to defraud a blockchain? People would be minting BTC all day if it was possible.

>>15569007
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/honda-officials-detail-plans-to-build-a-small-reusable-orbital-rocket/
They've expressed interest in one

time for the splash

>>15570169
Blockchains don't solve voter fraud.

Everyone always jokingly refers to a rocket’s ass as the “business end,” but really the payload is the business end. Literally speaking.

>>15570169
Most people have no clue how money works, just because they understand the tech doesnt mean they have even a fraction of a clue why it exists.

>>15570169
>How you going to defraud a blockchain?
By running all the infrastructure, the way a voting machine company would.

>>15570174
rocket asses should be known as the fisting end

where is the 1st stage stream you fucks

We got chutes and meco

>>15570184
and splashdown

>>15570155
As if two females would ever talk about electronic voting, coding, or ever mention the word "blockchain"
Who does this artist think he's fooling?

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1681120022964604928
impressive live feed ya got there

>>15570221
nice!

>>15570208
It's to represent general public opinion, autism-kun.

is the boat stopping?

>>15570221
That's a nice booster you got there, it would be a shame if someone were to steal it
Yoink

>>15569984
I've had unattended software fail in the field, and that's how I found out that our watchdog circuit wasn't working right. (It accepted certain broken behavior from the CPU as being alive.) That's also how I found out that Roswell NM was like two hours drive from a normal airport, for some schmuck to turn it off and on again.
So I had a sort of babby-tier version of what it feels like to have a satellite fail.

>>15570247
is that the booster or just a random floater?

>>15570249
they didn't announce anything but it's painted like the booster and the ship stopped at it

>>15570182

>>15570249
that's the booster. Now I understand why they paint the top of it red, for visibility at sea.

>>15570253
spoiler that shit! this is a blue board!

>>15570208
>Who does this artist think he's fooling?
He's a guy who actually shilled for Killary in a mainline numbered comic. At the very least he's fooling himself.

>>15570253
>Capsule-senpai…

>>15569893
>dude being in an apartheid state in SA or being excluded from the GI bill that helped build the wealth of the white middle class in America has nothing to do with their current situation
>>15569907
>but we’re not racist tho ;)
Pathetic

>15570274
>but we’re not racist tho
I am.

>booster 9 is moving

where did it go?

>>15570274
>Muh exclusion from the GI Bill
Bitch the states implemented the specific authorites of the GI Bill and if the real estate agents in one state were dicks, that was on the realtors. Moving was still an option, even if it was an inferior option, but it's not like the GI Bill wrote out black veterans; it absolutely did not do that.

>>15570273
My brain inadvertently adds “whooshes” every time the suit rotates, and “rrrrrnt” sounds every time the camera pans or zooms

Oh God they’re ripping off Relativity now

Another private company & another reusable rocket!
"Nayuta Space" partners with "Aerospace Propulsion" to develop a methane rocket "Space Chaser 1":
D3.8m
H67.3m
450t liftoff mass
9 Canglong-1 metholox engines in 1st stage
1 Canglong-1V in 2nd stage
10t LEO capacity when reuse

There is now way all of these Chinese medium-heavy launch startups succeed

>>15570297
>Oh God they’re ripping off Relativity now
They've got spies in every company and hackers in every computer.
We need to wise up.

I hate how there are so many different metrics to measuring payload capacity.

I see Kg, Tons, Pounds, etc. used interchangeably and I do not have the patience to convert every fucking thing I see. PICK A DAMN STANDARDIZATION

>>15570298
>WISE ME UP INSIDE

>>15570302
holy shit would you shut up?
nobody cares

>>15570306
not true, i care

New Eager
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxjdT-MKmzQ

>>15570305
>CAN'T WISE UP

Cant wait for the next two weeks when SpaceX will unveil that it is two more weeks until the next two weeks extension.

>>15570297
>>15570298

>>15570302
megagrams

Did they show the booster being lifted from water in the stream?

>>15570129
They do, but before the webcast starts. You can hear it on early ones. Shame we don't get to hear it anymore really, it's fun.

>>15570137
It took SpaceX quite a lot of launches to get to a "final" configuration, too.

>>15570156
Vulcan maybe, no clue about the Asian ones.

is creativity illegal in china? why do they always copy?

>>15570156
this year?
none of A6, glenn, and vulcan.
A6 might fly as much as 3 times next year, at most
Vulcan could do slightly better depending entirely on the still unproven engines
who the fuck knows what's going on with glenn other than "it ain't happening quick"

STOP JACKING UP THE PRICES I just want to float in the air before I die, these zerog flights were 7 grand 4 years ago

>>15570097
Retard

>>15570467
That's less than overall cumulative inflation since then.

>>15570467
just become rich

>>15569007
I mean you take one look at how they're using automotive tooling to save cash on the H-3, and note that you have the same tooling, and come to a pretty obvious conclusion

ETA on next Starship launch?

>>15569007
Can Honda build a passenger jet so don't have to ride boing or some euroshit

>>15570553
Automotive tooling leads to unreliable shit rockets.
>Astra
>H3

>>15570576
t-minus 336 hours

>>15570576
See >>15570317. One fortnight.

>>15570154
>EVs
>dying market
what

>>15570669
congrats you replied to the troll
I was worried no one would

>>15570671
It was so obvious too... feels like summer.

>>15570576
The concrete curing doesn't seem to be a problem, I guess.
Water deluge test just recently took place
Oh yeah, and I think they might be testing booster 9 soon?

We don't know the exact time frame, but,
Elon is saying 6-8 weeks
Everyone here doesn't believe that because he's too optimistic
Knowing another attempt is just around the corner is exciting, either way
Stay tuned.

>>15570680
what does L2 say

>>15570681
I don't pay for that shit

>>15570683
Oink oink.

>>15570681
Two weeks

>>15569909
sure buddy

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20230211900A1

Blue Origin has filed a patent detailing a reusable upper stage!

Do any of you work in aerospace? Got recommendations for cool/interesting spacey places to work? I’ve done consulting at Boeing (commercial aviation, not the space side) and am currently at a non-space startup but am looking for somewhere that’s interesting (i.e not Boeing) but has reasonable hours (I.e not spacex). I’m in the seattle area, so blue origin would be perfect but I don’t have much faith that they’ll ever be successful.

>>15570716
Thank you Neptune poster very cool

>>15570302
1 metric tonne = 1000kg = 2200 lbs (roughly)
1 to 2.2 is pretty easy

>tharsis crust extends 90km deep
Bros, I've been dreaming of the martian geofront for a long time now: It's real.
Wellchads are so back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxjdT-MKmzQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgTqqGaU-Bg

>>15570748
holy shit I didn't know the parachute systems were this complicated

>>15570740
Running a 4G acceleration mass driver up the western side of Olympus Mons would allow sending engineless cargo or passenger pods to LMO, Phobos, Deimos, or directly to Martian escape velocity. This has the advantage over Starship in that it can also be pointed at places besides Earth.

>>15570761

>>15570768
soyuz has a full backup system if the first one does not deploy

>>15570748
The best parachute is no parachute

>>15570748
When will bouncy castles make a comeback?

>>15570775
fugg forgot pic

>>15570775
It doesn't scale well with weight. Maybe if for some reason someone wants to pepper Mars with cheap landers from Starship.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/for-the-first-time-in-51-years-nasa-is-training-astronauts-to-fly-to-the-moon/

> The Artemis II crew marked their first official training day on June 21. Like the start of many college courses, it began with a preview of the syllabus. Then, in the afternoon, the astronauts received a lesson on lunar orbital mechanics, according to Mahaffey.

> The Artemis II mission will last about 10 days, beginning with a launch from NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida that will place their Orion capsule into a nearly day-long high-altitude orbit around Earth for critical checkouts of the ship’s life support systems and a test of the spacecraft’s ability to approach another object in space.

https://spacenews.com/young-space-firms-are-driving-acquisition-activity/

>>15570776
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ajsXzTFLYAorxm2

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4621/1

> “If NASA is unable to provide the Committee with a MSR lifecycle cost profile within the $5,300,000,000 budget profile, NASA is directed to either provide options to de-scope or rework MSR or face mission cancellation,” the Senate report stated.

> It appears unlikely that NASA would be able to significantly rework or descope MSR.

> If NASA was forced to cancel MSR, the committee’s report even spelled out how the funding that it did provide to the program would be reallocated: $235 million for Artemis Campaign Development, $30 million each for the Dragonfly mission to Titan and the Geospace Dynamics Constellation heliophysics mission, and $5 million to begin studies for a planetary science flagship mission to Uranus recommended by the decadal survey.

so it is basically cancelled? In the end its probably good
you could do a large number of probes with the 10 billion

https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4620/1

>>15570010
thank you mr bezos
-chinky winky

>>15570796
>you could do a large number of probes with the 10 billion

Maybe around, hm, two?

Elonbros, how do we sugarcoat this?

>>15570812
Step 1:
>Don't give a fuck
Step 2:
>Go to Mars

>>15570810
20 at least

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1681035389908185088

WTF BROS!! I THOUGHT SPACEX WAS SUPPOSED TO GO BANKRUPT!!!

>>15570817
Lmao

>>15570828
Thank you Pluto poster

>>15570812
He's probably a pedo so yeah

>>15570793
thanks anon, this is cool.

>>15570740
https://essopenarchive.org/users/549578/articles/627343-global-crustal-thickness-revealed-by-surface-waves-orbiting-mars

>>15570793
For me its
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qAjxWV7Xdo

>>15570793
>>>/wsg/5188933
webm
1000 hours in ffmpeg

>>15569889
>They will lower the connection fees
I hope so, I want to drop the current company I use because their customer service is beyond shit and it's basically barely cheaper than Starlink right now
However, these things are always difficult to predict without having some real numbers from the company itself

donut rogg :DDD

Post your reaction to the phrase "we are going!"

>>15570961

>>15570961
>>15570964
>post your reaction!!!
go away faggots, we are gaan.

>>15570961

>>15570305
>>15570310
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSbKDLn6ZQQ
The future is now, old man.

>>15570967
Satania posters are much more based than you cringe NASA cocksleeve

>>15570967
>hop when becomes wen hop
>we are gaan becomes we are going
Why does everyone copy 4chan?

>>15570975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl6jn-DdafM

so uhh, did they recover electron successfully this time?

>>15570985
https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1681149809082896384

yes

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/168116770319592243

> Baby Came Back

https://spacenews.com/electron-launches-seven-smallsats-in-latest-step-towards-reusability/

> After an initial burn of the rocket’s kick stage, it deployed four NASA Starling 6U cubesats and two Spire 3U cubesats into a 575-kilometer sun-synchronous orbit. After two more burns, the kick stage deployed the final payload, Telesat’s LEO 3 satellite, into a 1,000-kilometer orbit an hour and 45 minutes after liftoff.

> “With this mission we’ve made big strides toward reusability with Electron and we are now closer than ever to relaunching a booster for the first time,” Peter Beck, chief executive of Rocket Lab, said in a statement. The company added that the recovered booster was in “great condition.”

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1681262592608677888

>>15570787
What are the chances that jews make up 2% of the population but 50% of the astronauts on this mission