/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15518936
Off topic edition

>>15518936
>radio edition

Elon bout to get thrown around by Zucc in the octagon

>>15518949
Fr fr uncle musk needs to train hard with the cobra

>>15518949
Fpbp and tpwp

>>15518949
Zucc doesn't have a chance

SpaceX might pull off 100 launches this year

>>15518941

https://youtu.be/REqMeOa7wNQ
new video

>>15518965
Why doesn't sfg have videos

>>15518966
sfg has pdfs

>>15518969
No I mean why don't we make them

>>15518954
Elon is going to get rekt. Dude is fat on the Tex mex while the reptiloid is actually fit as fuck.

>>15518977
Fat nigger

>>15518936
/sfg/ I come to you with an important and timely question: What is the future, if any, of composite materials in spaceflight?

>>15518987
tiles

>>15518977
Mass > fitness
Every gram counts

>>15518936
Thoughts on gravity control using electromagnetic principles?
https://www.oocities.org/electrogravitics/

Does anyone itt work in the space industry field?

>>15519004
There are a few anons but they dont usually show their power level because of NDAs or nobody ever believing you since its 4chins

>>15519008
I believe every post I read. Especially the contradictory ones. I am the most gullible man alive.

>>15519027
I'm Elon Musk and this is my second favorite shitposting ground after Twitter. Maybe I should buy 4chan.

>>15519031
LAANCH THE BLOODY ROCKET BENCHOD

>>15519031
>Maybe I should buy 4chan.
Do it. Couldn't possibly be a worse option than anyone else who would buy this shitheap

>>15519027
I believe you.

>>15519031
for the last fucking time mark, stop impersonating me on 4chan.

>>15518957
>my feet hurt

>>15519031
>>15519043
Both me btw, also Apple CEO Steve Jobs, yep I am still alive

>>15519072
Shut up, you're dead and no more than a zombie.
Jobs wasn't nerdy enough to become a lich. And even if he did, his phylactery would've already hit planned obsolescence.

>>15518987
Reminder that concrete is a composite material.

>>15518999
Trips of truth. Rocketlab in shambles.

>>15518949
>>15518952
reminder that elon has a fucked back

>>15518987
>composite
>adjective
> 1. made up of several parts or elements.
>noun
> 1. a thing made up of several parts or elements.
Everything except pure elemental fuel/oxidizer is a composite, no?

>>15519100
Yeah but so is steel

>>15519102
from carrying the entire space industry

>>15519072
How did you cure your ligma?

>>15518977
Fit manlet will die when facing medium fat bulk lord. Twinklets think they can cardio their way to victory, but they must learn about helplessness, about pain, and they must know fear.

>>15519102
and a broken mind from autism

>>15519119
Excuse me, what is Ligma?

>>15519133
Fatoid cope, a five foot hoe could roll Elon if she was in shape. Just look at the dude.

>a five foot hoe could roll Elon
she already did

>>15519133
>medium fat bulk lord

He is based for sorting out the launch system disaster mess but will get fucked up in the ring. It doesn't matter if you are 6 inches and 50lb over your enemy. If you are a slob that does pretty much 0 exercise or hand to hand training and is overweight you will get fucked up.

>medium fat

Check

>bulk lord

At least present something resembling reality.

>>15518972
We did.
(Past tense.)
(By "we" I mean one anon.)
https://youtu.be/5vB9vzE-qy0

Final Ariane 5 on July 4th. Dependence Day.

>>15518936
For me, it's Honeysuckle Creek

YouTube video idea: chatgpt vtuber reacting to sfg posts

>>15519238
“She” would pretty quickly devolve into just screaming ‘two weeks’ at every post

>>15519100
Neutronbros I'm not feeling so good

>>15518999
Nice

>>15519224
I didn't realize that Yuros could be so patriotic.

>>15519119
I'll let you ligma, that might cure it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GanrexRyVY

Kid on youtube lands model rocket after 4 years of R&D. Will the industry want to hire him, what do you think bros?

>>15519282
Landing a solid fuel rocket on its ass is an incredible accomplishment. Not being the first to do it doesn't make it any less impressive.
Hopefully his potential employers won't be limited to Utah.

>>15518949
Which one of them even started this retarded show? The whole thing reminds me of Uwe Boll.

>>15519282
A lot smoother than Joe Barnard's landing too

when was 2 months ago?
when will 2 weeks start?

>>15519381
It's already started.
According to russians, 2 weeks is the time period between 2022-02-24 and the heat death of the universe.

>>15519102
Had a fucked back. He got it fixed. That's why he has that scar on his neck now.

>>15519396
would you also happen to know how many wrinkles his asshole has

i dont get why some people want to be or even enjoy being a celebrity, you just get some weird fucks obsessing over your personal life down to medical history and everything

>>15519401
He mentioned it on Twitter after someone asked why he had a big ass scar on his neck. That's literally the one and only reason I know this. Hell, I didn't even go to his account someone posted it here like eight months ago.

>>15519401
8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lwAP91Y7Cs
starlink launch
live in ~20 minutes

GM you cranky muskrats what's wrong did he not tell you anything interesting in his REDDIT ROGGET interview wednesday?

Spaceflight is an elitist LARP that wastes massive amounts of resources that could be used to feed people. Imagine if all the money given to Elon was given to normal people in the rust belt.
Nobody nobody he rooting for something as foppish as space travel until they have solved real problems encountered by normal people.
Elon also keeps banning right wingers like Mike Enoch from twitter

ISRO's Chandrayaan-3 launch window: July 12.
India goes back to the Moon.

>>15519477
Don’t care space is cool

>>15519466
live

>>15519494
Space settlemen will never happen. It is an escapist fantasy to allow upper class college boys to ignore the collapsing west and delve into a techno utopian fantasy. It's a cowardly and disgusting escape hatch from defending your civilization.
Spaceflight worship is unhealthy and is harmful to all parties involved except the super rich.

its crazy how nobody makes reusable satellites

>>15519505
X37B

>>15519466
>All that talk about fags and nogs
Starship isn't going to succeed is it?

Good morning friends :)
Clear is live!
What a nice morning

LIVE
https://youtu.be/51sFHeJvsuo

>>15519477
>Elon also keeps banning right wingers like Mike Enoch from twitter
And this is supposed to make me hate Elon?

>>15519501
lmao commie

Is Starlink a good ISP

Max Qute!

>>15519525

>>15519509
>>15519505
Starship class too in the future. Imagine starship floating up there doing missions for a years and then coming down to land

>>15519512
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>>15519525
>>15519530
Rope up now.

>>15519521
Its OK. Don't have a choice in my location but half chance you can get bigger deal from another company.

>>15519521
Good if you live in a remote area with bad or no internet

>>15519466
tenth reuse of a fairing half, for the first time. $1m saved per reuse, right?

>>15519521
It's the best if it's your only option.

>>15519554
how many reuses do other rockets get out of their fairings?

Russia spying on NASA from Cuba
https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672212457777946631?s=20

What are they looking for?

>>15519575
Kys off topic nigger. You spent 40 hours looking for one tweet about your off topic niggardry with the word NASA on it to post it here. Pathetic

>>15519575
Anything and everything. Every embassy for every country is glowie central by design.

>>15519579
Baiting discussion by replying to his own post. Worthless faggot

>https://www.youtube.com/@ellieinspace/videos
ugh even the booba tubers are getting on the space train. LEAVE US ALONE.

>>15519584
She been getting access to key people and interviewing quite a few people. Also a former news reporter who quit her day time job to go full throttle on Starship reporting.

>>15519590
imagine quitting your job to be a booba streamer

>>15519592
Do you know how much Amouranth makes? Like its off of degenerate coomers but holy shit

Axiom station windows

https://twitter.com/commandermla/status/1672236877259104258?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

Kinda big, won’t it be a problem with micrometeoroids?

>>15519597
the russian orbital segment has windows

>>15519477
>Elon also keeps banning right wingers like Mike Enoch from twitter
Must be a special kind of right winger if even twitter bans it LMAO.

Extremists 1% of the both edges, should not be platformed imo.

>>15519597
Tons of low TRL shit goes up in one of the first ever commercial space stations? Yeah no thanks.

>>15519582
Really wish they'd put per thread IDs on every board except for /x/, so you schizophrenics could be contained there with your epic theories and calling one another samefag.

>>15519604
>everything I dont like is a conspiracy

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>>15519575
All me btw :^)

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/06/the-mars-sample-return-mission-is-starting-to-give-nasa-sticker-shock/

>>15519611

>>15519603
windows are low trl? we've had them since mercury

>>15519612
>"If the answer is this is not the decade to do it, my heart breaks because I put so much effort into it," he said. "But it is better to not do it than to torch the whole science community. We have to have the courage to say no. That’s the only way we earn the right to say yes."


damn

But 10 billion dollary doos just for a sample return mission? Jeez

>>15519622
10 B for the lander itself. Not for the launcher, which is likely designed around SLS cargo or something.

>>15519622
and that's just $10 billion in today's dollars, right? with inflation over the next 10 years before it finally launches, we could be looking at $20 billion in costs

>>15519494
>more hydrogen
>bruh more hydrogen
>I don't care, more hydrogen
>you gotta add more hydrogen
>you don't seem to understand, you need more hydrogen

>>15519612
>>15519622
It's only expensive and difficult because JPL is making it so.
>we need 2 helicopters
>we need 2 rovers (one just to pick up the tubes from the first rover)
>we need to transfer the samples to another container in an awaiting satellite
if they just sent a lander with a coring drill on a robotic arm and a hypergolic rocket that would make a direct return to earth they could get this done in <3 years for a billion dollars or so.

>>15519679
It's a conspiracy to let the Chinese do it first (with like 1/20th of the mass and much less variety of samples), so Congress freaks out and opens the floodgates for funding.

The freemasons and the powers behind them lied to you about literally everything. Either half-truths, false concepts, or blatant lies to confuse you and give you a false understanding of the world, mankind, time, history, and your place in it so that you dedicate your life, soul, and energy to their doctrines in which they have full authority over every aspect. They control Science™, they are the priests that ex-plain and ex-plane the earth for you, they wield that trademark, and that means they control our space in life (if we give them authority over the earth).
Right from the start this world lied to you about the very ground you stand on, the 3 dimensional reality you live in. A fundamental lie, and everything people derive from this false reality will consequently be some kind of falsehood. We are now at the point where mankind believes they are mutated animals, and they are spinning around themselves on a perfectly spherical rock in random space that exploded once. A psy-op, mental conditioning. Do not underestimate the spiritual life-guiding implications of this godless concept. Most people are not level-headed, they are not stationary, they are not based, they are incapable to see physical truth at this point. Common sense isn't really all that common anymore. They rather believe in jewish mysticism like space-time and relativity, which leads to everything being "relative". No distinct up and down, which leads to good and evil being "relative", male and female being "relative", all empty space and imaginations in our mind. Let that sink in, the majority of people ultimately don't even know what is UP and what is DOWN. In other words, there is no absolute truth in this universe.

>>15519612
Just ditch the samples on the ground and wait on some future human mission to come collect them, like damn. They can stay there for 30+ years and be fine

>>15519690
> le 'Let the chinks score points and then the US wallet will shower $ on space' theory
Won't happen

>>15519701
they're already doing that unfortunately

>>15519704
There's votes in sticking it to Chyna

>>15519701
>future human mission to come collect them
Why even bother with these samples then?

>>15519694
You are correct, anon. If it's not in God's Holy Perfect Word (the Bible), it's a lie!

>$10 billion for a mars rover
is nasa too fat? is it time to trim it down? maybe we should spin some of it off instead?

>>15519729
the rover was only half that

>>15519729
Maybe you should trim down first, tubby.

she's back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdlLYNhmzbA

>>15519710
Well their justification is that they can be 100% certain these samples have zero human contaminants. Idk it seems like a grift excuse to me either way
Also pretty retarded of NASA to even send up a sample collection/cache system without first having set a plan up. Ever since Apollo ended NASA hasn’t been planning shit. They’ve just been doing it by ear

>>15519788
imo the sample return has been in the plans for a long time

>>15519002
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>>15519604
>>15519694
>>15519729

Einshtein Cumguzzler theory of subhuman travel
(The chinks are developing the limpdick theory variation)

>>15519602
tranny commie faggot kys lmao

>>15519797
He's right. And the right wing needs to figure it out before the next election.

>>15519694

>Ingenuity hasn't flown since april
It's over.

>>15519517
If nothing else you should hate Elon because he wastes his money on giant model rockets rather than helping his Boer nation in their time of need.
Space travel, like the Titanic dive, is a decedent hobby for the rich.
Besides, why should we root for SpaceX when it's controlled by the neoliberal establishment that hates us? We should root for their progress to hit a stand still and for nobody to advance, because Starship is an enemy rocket, not our rocket. And it's also a giant useless model rocket that's a pale mockery of what Dr Von Braun had in mind

>>15519894
It lasted a number of years as predicted here

>>15519898
/sfg/ is a neoliberal general. See yourself out.

>>15519898
Elon is not a boer though.

>>15519894
is it still in front of percy or has it fallen behind?

>>15519898
Please kill yourself and go back to lefty /pol/. We dont need you faggots here.

>>15518936
IOIIIOIOIIIOIOIIOIIIOIIOII

>>15519913
It's close, but still behind the hill

>>15519917
We're gonna go back to this but for drones

>>15519921
why

why is ESA afraid of manned spaceflight? 15T gdp and no crew capsules in real development.

>>15519477
Anyone straight up incapable of feeding themselves isn't worth wasting money on.
Imagine where we could be if we stopped wasting money on Africa

>>15519945
space is hard

>>15519945
Dream Chaser is supposed to be compatible with Ariane 6 I think

>>15519945
27 member nations, only 1-4 seats per mission. There's just no political way to satisfy everyone.

>>15519945
Check the bottom of the ocean around the titanic and you'll find your answer.

>>15519679
The MSR architecture is asinine.

>>15519701
>2033
>rover comes to pick up samples
>can't find them because they got buried by the wind moving regolith

>>15519945
>>15519971
The really weird thing is that the ATV went through the trouble of getting a human rating. They just never did anything with that

>>15519898
XD EPIC. We need SpaceX to be sold off for parts so that we can feed the poor.

>>15519945
Hard to get funding when you can just get told to use baseduzes instead, which might be financially great short term but with severe implications long term and in geopolitical contextes. I wish Hermes kept going.

>>15520032
>baseduzes
I thought 4chan had fixed this filter specifically for soyuz

onions
soyuz
baseduzes
baseduzs

>>15520050
>>15520044
looks like you can't do anything but Soyuz

Say.. have anyone heard from rogozin lately

>>15520044
There is a special exception, although not when you try to pluralize it
>>15520056
I’m still cracking up at the anon who called him the “eunuch of donetsk” a couple of weeks ago lmao

>>15520079
KEK

I will admit, it seems Launcher may not have been the best acquisition if they cant get their spacetug down, though if they were looking to buy them out to move Max Haot to President of VAST then maybe its worrh something? Still not looking pretty for the subsidiary so far, hopefully we see more progress from VAST itself.

>>15520103
all of these money burning pseudo startups piss me off

>>15519776
theres something off putting about her

>wagner and russian troops are now engaged in fierce fighting
>many believe that russia is falling into a civil war
the final nail in russia's space program or a phoenix about to rise? are we going to get russian space assets fighting each other? the first shooting war in space?

>>15520125
Doesn't really feel like there is a civil war in here. Also, space flight.

>>15520127
space fight

does jpl still have a hate boner for spacex?

>>15520125
What space assets?

>>15520175
unfathomably based
i love orthodoxy

space spaces shortly
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1672349490710302721

>>15520176
The blessing ceremonies are full of sovl, I wish the united states had the balls to publicly bless its rockets and crews

>>15520179
hi finnanon

>>15520179
who's the lucky friend?

>>15520179
Kek I hope it has nothing to do with SS and is instead an autistic stream-of-conscious monologue about why space is cool

>>15520190
Come on man!

>>15520179
>sorry your mom couldn't make it this year
>I guess it's just us

>>15520182
I'm not finnish tho

>>15520182
Hi :)

You fags will let me know if Starship space starts right?

could we adapt the human body to function at 0atm the same way deep sea welders can adapt to like 20 or 30 atm?

>>15520220
Happening tomorrow now

>>15520235

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1672365973129527297

13 gimbling internal engines now for superheavy vs previous 9

>>15520268
I didn't know so many people were traveling to Proxima Centauri with how behind the times they are.

>>15520243
Two more weeks bros we're back

>>15520249
lips that grip

>>15520310
Disgusting coombrain

>>15520249
vacuumorphs always looked cute.

so voyager 1 is just going in a random direction away from our solar system? Can we send something that is aimed at the closest star?

I wonder if aliens find our probe thousands of years from now, would it just look like a comet from all the dust and gas it collects in interstellar space?

>>15520322
>he actually believes this
Anon do you know how little mass there is in deep space. And how short a time frame is of thousands of years.

>>15520358
>do you know how little mass there is in deep space
Not him, but do you? No you don't.

>>15520313

>>15520268
Are the extra 4 going to in the the outer ring? Have they said what the layout is?

>>15520395
Hasn't specified. Might have been part of today/yesterday's original space talk but due to internet issues, was delayed to tomorrow.

>>15520395
they're in the central two rings, they were there as of booster 7

Blazars basically castrate their home galaxies, which is kinda sad

>>15520395
>>15520400
Guys, the entire inner cluster of 13 engines has always been on gimbals since they switched to the 33 engine arrangement.

Can you give me a quick rundown on the JWST?

I see dumb shit on social media about how JWST found evidence against big bang and expansion of universe but evidence for god. But I assume JWST has discovered fuck all otherwise I would have heard about it from a credible source.

>>15520446
>I see dumb shit on social media about how

Here's the quick rundown. Dumb shit on social media is dumb shit

>>15520446
JWST found a bunch of high-redshift (high-Z factor) galaxies that are much more developed and more numerous than expected. This is straining the current lambda-cdm big bang formation of the universe theory a little bit, but not enough to overturn it.

>>15520446
Something about galaxy formation got upended. This got interpreted to mean that all cosmology is wrong because clickbait.

/space faggotry general/

>>15520472
>WST found a bunch of high-redshift (high-Z factor) galaxies
Did it really though? Everything I've read says that the redshift was "estimated" based on brightness or something of that type, not actually measured.

>>15519898
>what Dr Von Braun had in mind
You mean worthless expendable crap?

>>15520563
They've confirmed galaxies up to Z 20 with Lyman spectroscopy I believe. Could be mistaken about the actual redshifts they've seen that way.

>>15520567
We need expendable astronauts, not expendable ships.

Anons that are working towards or are already in the space industry, how are you doing so far? And how are you personally.

>>15520599
applied to about 35 space companies. so far 2 interviews and that's it.

>>15520411
I cannot stop thinking of the F-35 belly

>>15520555
>tfw no spacefag bf to cuddle with while watching lab padre livestreams

Canada really grifted a fucking arm over the course of 20 years and now they get a free ride to the moon? Day of the rake is soon

150 billion dollars
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-23/spacex-tender-offer-said-to-value-company-at-about-150-billion?srnd=premium

https://twitter.com/ashleevance/status/1672421607745421313

Elon interview tomorrow with Ashley Vance

>>15520657
Where can I get in on this action?

>>15520675
you need to be part of a huge-ass investment firm

>>15520673
I think this is different from the Starship space, so two-in-one combo tomorrow boys, looks like it will be good.

>>15520681
Yep. Two different spaces event. One for Starship by elon and one with Ashaley Vance.

>>15520181
>Yenta wiping her nose on a crucifix
pottery

Is this /leftypol/?

>>15520715
Yeah. Its trannypol trying to promote their censorship platform on 4chan lmao.

https://twitter.com/CaseyDreier/status/1672295102612635648

So is commercial fixed price Mars lander a "fantasy" now?

>>15519840
How bout if you figure it out a bullet in your head kek

>>15520719
>>15520730
Why are you two ESLtards fighting over my throwaway joke post. Nobody can understand your broken english, now get back to welding those rings together.

test

>>15520753
I too hate janniggers.

>>15520724
Lets be honest. We don't have a commercially available Mars Lander.

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/app/uploads/2023/06/0623_USSF.pdf
>UFO
>4(FOUR)
Ayybros, we won

>>15520724
Spaceguy5 seething in the comments lmao

>>15520775
Those dogs in the background... what planets are they

goodnight /sfg/

>>15519705
Absolutely dumb. Should have at least kept them on the original rover for centralized location.

>>15520876
goodnight

>>15520623
Chad
>>15520889
>>15520876
Night

>>15520884
R/C cars are hard, think how that extra mass of sample would have affected the performance

>>15518936
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnvDz-wD7WQ

Since when did Rogozin run his own PMC?

>>15520918
>ywn be a russian space warlord
i guess spacex is a good consolation prize

>>15520918
Idk, but I heard the current guy has started an incursion

>>15519565
in case you weren't memeing, falcon 9 is the first and currently only rocket to ever reuse fairings

>>15520937
Oh haha, tis really popped off eh?

>>15520918
since about a year ago
when the war started he ordered the great OneWeb heist and did some posturing
then he ordered the most gucci gear he could get his hands on, got SRS'ed by a shell
last time I've seen his photo, he was barely recognisable to a point I'm not sure it was actually him

>>15520599
I had a ton of personal failures in the years leading up to it, but I'm finally working on spacecraft. My first project hopefully goes up this year. It feels incredibly satisfying to look back on how bad things used to be and see how far I've come.

If you want to work in the field bad enough, just keep trying. Things will get better, and it'll all be worth it.

>>15520657
https://archive.is/S8Szj
Elon Musk’s SpaceX is offering to sell insider shares at a price that would raise the closely held company’s valuation to about $150 billion, according to people familiar with the matter.
The most valuable US startup is initially pursuing a $750 million tender offer, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the information wasn’t public. SpaceX is offering shares at more than $80 apiece, they said.
A $150 billion valuation would compare with $137 billion reported in January when SpaceX raised $750 million from investors. SpaceX has around $5 billion of cash on its balance sheet, the people said.
Representatives for SpaceX didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment. The size of the tender offer could change depending on interest from both insider sellers and buyers, the people said.
The Hawthorne, California-based company dominates the market for commercial space launch. The company sends payloads to orbit for private sector customers, as well as for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration and other government agencies. It also ferries astronauts to and from the International Space Station for NASA, and has run the first private space tourism mission for civilians to orbit the earth for several days.
On Friday, SpaceX successfully deployed more than 50 additional satellites, adding to a constellation it uses to beam broadband internet coverage to the Earth below. Investors are watching closely to see whether Musk will spin off Starlink, having suggested he would do so when cash flow became more predictable.

>>15520983
>150b starting valuation

Maybe a fair price but still a dogshit way to invest in space. You would be far better throwing your VC cash around at a few dozen different small market cap penny stock space start ups (not launchers) that look promising.

Things are heating up in you know where
Come join us >>>/pol/

>>15520991
Kill yourself

>>15520876
where did you find that video? I've slogged through what feels like every NASA video archive and can barely find any on-board cam footage that isn't just from the launch livestream. please don't tell me that's originally from twitter or something

>>15520918
I'm pretty sure that's a joke account.

I still think rogozin will come out on top _somehow_

how long til we have warp drive?

Is KSP 2 worth it for 40€?

>>15521065
No

Currently it’s just a shittier version of ksp 1 so better wait until they actually add some new content to justify buying.

>>15520446
JWST observations are not consistent with what mainstream cosmological theory predicts

>>15520991
Why go to pol when I can discuss the mutiny happening in Russia right now here??

>>15521066
Ok then
But didn't they say it will get more expensive as it gets more content ?
Hmmmm...

>>15521076
If that’s the case then I guess buy it but maybe wait for a sale or something because it really isn’t worth the price currently.

>>15520590
We just need to figure out how that OceanGate guy got people to pay to ride his experimental submersible.

>>15520884
They're doing that too? These ones it's dropping off are just in case something happens to the rover.

>>15521065
>>15521076
check gg and see if you can get it cheaper from a key reseller.

>>15520987
>a few dozen different small market cap penny stock space start ups
They'll probably all go bust.

hmmmmmmmm

>>15521129
>early access
>no innovation, just mods from ksp1
>performs like crap
>looks like crap
>will be in early access for five years

>>15521144
It won't ever get out of early access. The release to early access flopped completely and KSP1 overtook it in days. They've already dialed down development and it will be abandoned long before completion.

>>15520182
Did he died? Where did he go?

>>15521065
check pirate bay sites and see if you can get it cheaper(free) from a torrent.

>>15521153
He's in the army now.

>>15521153
we called him a tranny and then he went and practiced the juhannus tradition of drowning in a lake

• Sergei Pavlovich Korolev (Cepгeй Пaвлoвич Кopoлёв, translation: Sergey Pavlovich Korolyov)
>The man is known in English as ‘Korolev’
>The city named after him is known as ‘Korolyov’
Where’s the consistency englishsisters

>>15521172
https://youtu.be/kC6IM8h2-Is

>>15521172
your mom levs it when i kor her out

Who is this and where is he going?

>>15521224
A stranger in a strange land I reckon

So what was it?

shit's going down

>>15521104
Ah your right.

>10 billion for the mars sample return mission is fine. Don’t kid yourselves
>We spend 2 billion dollars every time we send one of those rovers over
https://twitter.com/ThePrimalDino/status/1672453183174500352

Hope you guys are following the developments in Moscow

spaces is starting https://twitter.com/ashleevance

I uhhhhhh I thought ashlee vance was a chick lmao

>>15521344
holy shit what
damn andro names

>>15521330
Sure but remember you're in /sfg/ not /rcwg/

>>15521344
>>15521346
Ashley and Meredith are both men's names.

>>15520182
>>15521153
>>15521164
I still lurk, lots of free time for a few weeks
>>15521170
I’m stuck on guard duty for Juhannus, family’s off on vacation so I didn’t have much planned anyways

0/10 spaces so far

>>15521358
Which one my negro

>>15521358
>>15521341

>>15521364
Did he just leave the meeting?

>>15521013
Good morning friend. Here is that twitter video you were looking for :^)
https://nitter.net/SpaceX/status/1611024931348959232#m

>>15521368
Clear is doing it wrong

"less progress on mars than expected" when looking back on the last 15 years

>>15519494
>You never got to experience the oldspacekino world where NASA responded to Challenger by ordering Shuttle 2.0 and the one on the bottom left first flew in 1992 and served for nearly 15 years until it too was replaced by the one on the top right which first flies in 2006 and today we're about to watch shuttle 4.0 (with RTLS strap on boosters and Vulcan-style recoverable engines on the core tank) and there are currently 9+ retired shuttles on display around the country including Columbia, which was retired in 1994 and is now on display at the Smithsonian.

ONE THOUSAND changes on the new starship
60% chance of orbit on the 2nd attempt
significant change of stage sep - HOT STAGING

N1 BOYS WE'RE BACCKKKKKK

>>15521389
Where did you hear this

"probably... 6 weeks"

>>15521295
Name a space movie with better costuming I'll wait

>>15521392
>>15521341

maybe 3 billion invested in starship so far

annnddd that's it for the new info. great fucking job Ashlee

>>15521400
iirc last time the number he pulled out of his ass was 2 bil
wasn't it?

>>15521341
Holy cringe that ending

rip vulcan https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1672587310423244800

>>15521368
Clear, noooo! You'll burn your hands!!!!

>>15521389
Damn is it really hot staged I thought the vents on super heavy were for abort

no more speeeeeennnnn :(

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1672633628738883585

hot stage gives 10% extra payload performance

Okay so on top of Raptor 3's bringing 50t more payload mass to the table, hot staging will also bring 10% more. So we were up to 200t reusable and now we're at 220t reusable. Bros thats almost a 50% total increase in reusable payload to LEO. And remember these same payload numbers apply for any other off planet transfers. So 2 Starships will do the same job as 3 to Mars now.

>>15521433
it's not that simple. The starship thrust numbers are the same. So if starship has more mass onboard, that simply reduces the distance you can throw the payload / increases refueling needed dramatically. There is a point where the mass onboard starship is 'too much' and the perf gains should be spent on fuel instead

>>15521436
Ok then whats the actual numbers

>>15521442
what actual numbers

>>15521427
how

>>15521460
you don't stop thrusting

>>15521389
Is elon allergic to ullage rockets or something? First spin separation and now hot staging?

Rooshia bad! Poutine bad! Roscosmos bad!

Elon wrote a tweet about the off topic thing

>>15521069
>JWST observations are not consistent with what mainstream cosmological theory predicts
in what way?

>>15521487
galaxies are too developed at a distance(time) where they shouldn't be as I understand it.

>>15521487
In a way that is only documented on the journal of YouTube.

>>15521492
Correct. This either means the model of how galaxies evolved after the Big Bang is wrong, the date of the Big Bang is wrong, or McCulloch's crazy hypothesis is true and redshift is not equal to distance.

Women on Mars deserved to be blacked. Mars is for everyone, not just whites.

>>15521516
Negroids get Venus, they like it hott

>>15521508
how could they have gotten it so wrong and what's the correct theory?

>>15521516
>Women on Mars deserved to be bleached. Mars is for everyone, not just whites.
fixed

>>15521527
JWST was built specifically to verify these theories so I think people have had doubts for a while.

>>15521487
https://www.space.com/james-webb-space-telescope-earliest-complex-organic-molecules
>"It's remarkable that the universe can make really large, complex molecules very quickly after the Big Bang," Spilker said

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2022/nasa-s-webb-draws-back-curtain-on-universe-s-early-galaxies
>These galaxies would have had to have started coming together maybe just 100 million years after the big bang. Nobody expected that the dark ages would have ended so early

Daily reminder that the Moon is a planet and Pluto is not

>>15521529
Youre a faggot and a coal burner? God damn

>>15521532
something ain't right with our physics theories it seems. Not that easy in modeling soups

>>15521538
Nope, because if the Moon is a planet it has to have cleared its orbit which it clearly hasnt. That also mean Earth is not a planet

>>15521542
"cleared its orbit" is a bad parameter or even Jupiter wouldn't qualify with the Greeks and Trojans

>>15521542
>That also mean Earth is not a planet
the real redpill

>>15521542
Read nigga, read

>>15521542
uh-oh

>>15521545
Jupiter is a bubble of gas not a planet

>>15521460
Every second matters during ascent.

nothing ever happens it seems

>>15521581
Two more weeks

>>15521527
>so wrong
You realize this could be solved by something as boring as assuming a different distribution of small and massive stars?

>>15521532
>"It's remarkable that the universe can make really large, complex molecules very quickly after the Big Bang," Spilker said
>early universe
>Redshift 4
Pick one.

>These galaxies would have had to have started coming together maybe just 100 million years after the big bang. Nobody expected that the dark ages would have ended so early
JWST hasn't actually pushed up the limit by much. Before the highest redshift confirmed galaxy was 11, now it's 13.

>>15521581
>he says as Russia threatens to collapse
I wonder if the ISS cosmonauts have any standing orders in case of a power conflict like this?

>>15521601
drill holes

>>15521508
>or McCulloch's crazy hypothesis is true and redshift is not equal to distance.
Redshift being proportional to redshift is an empirical result. It's not going to go away. And reminder that Mike's ideas are based on an expanding universe.

>>15521589
then that would've been in the range of existing theories. The scientists say this isn't exactly what the theory predicts

>>15521601
Seeing as what happened with the USSR cosmonaut that got stuck once they collapsed, not much other than whatever guy is up there will be claimed by the next.

>>15520971
>tis
join 41% of your friends

>>15518936
Every day you are becoming the meme.

>>15521608
Only frame-local expanding. The overall cosmos in QI is steady state with periodic new matter creation from the quantum vacuum burping out stable particles.

>>15521279
Don't post that faggot ever again

>after the test flight, I asked here why they didn't just use hotstaging and expressed my opinion that it was the most elegant solution.

Ok what else do you guys want me to change about starship?

>>15521504
It's peer reviewed (I and some of my friends (also schizophrenics) reviewed it)

>>15521619
Hoylechads rise up

>>15521624
Make it 300t to orbit reusable.

>>15521624
Higher thrust and ISP
Working transpiration TPS
Optional HE payload
Lower cost

>>15521609
>The scientists say this isn't exactly what the theory predicts
And when they say that they implicitly assume dozens of things, like the distribution of stars.

>>15521619
Cite where Mike claims this. It's not true Note that if Mike believed that it would invalidate dozens of his other claims.

>>15521624
Hotstaging is really nice if you don't give a shit about reuse.
And that kind of throws a bit of a spanner in your "most elegant solution".

>>15521667
Rocket fuel can't melt steel beams.

>>15521675
Sure it can, especially when couple with copious amounts of oxygen.

>>15521630
NERVA isn't real Anon

>>15521667
hot staging isn't a hindrance to reuse, the extra mass needed to shield the top of the booster is minimal and is likely made up for by the more efficient staging

>>15521675
it unironically can't. The exhaust temperature is like 700 C after expanding. And Stainless melts at like 1300 C.

>>15521715
Do you know what happens to the structure of steel that gets repeatedly heated up?

When Starship space?? Also remember to hot stage for next thread.

>>15521239
Balloon

>>15521619
Better educated schizos always gravitate to Steady-State Theory. It's one step above flat earth.

>>15521651
https://twitter.com/memcculloch/status/1669648985462538241

>>15521808
Wth is young matter?

>>15521808
That statement is so vague it's also true in standard big bang cosmology. At early times the horizon is smaller and matter is younger.

Please provide a better source. Note that Mike references the horizon scale everywhere, that size is not a measurement but a calculation from standard expanding cosmology. If there is no expansion, that number is meaningless and so is QI.

>>15521814
opposite of old matter

>>15521814
loli atoms
very cute and uguu

>>15521795
Just stop being a Lemaîtrecuck and join the cyclic cosmology chads

>>15521814
McCulloch claims that new matter is generated over time since space itself is eternal. It's the only way a steady state universe doesn't decay into an entropic bath. He's proposed that large scale objects with uniform redshift consist of matter that was created at the same time rather than at the same distance from us, and cites an example of high and low redshift objects (a galaxy and a quasar) sharing what appears to be a physical connection of gas streams, which would be impossible if redshift equaled time.

His proposed mechanism for matter creation appears to be like Hawking Radiation, particle pairs that lose their partner to a cosmic horizon, but he hasn't proved it mathematically or provided a hypothesis for why matter dominates over antimatter.

>>15521847
>or provided a hypothesis for why matter dominates over antimatter
tbqf thats goes for conventional theories too. no one has a good answer

>>15521847
>but he hasn't proved it mathematically or provided a hypothesis for why matter dominates over antimatter
has anyone? I was under the impression that even ardent big bang believers didn't have a good answer as to why matter is more common than antimatter

>>15521847
>>15521808
>>15521619
This is not what Mike claims.

https://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com/2016/10/a-test-using-redshift_30.html?m=1

>Galaxies further away from us, are moving away much faster than close ones, and therefore the light coming from them is red-shifted. So the redshift of star light is a measure of its distance, and of increasing age, since when we look far off we are also looking back in time since the light has taken aeons to reach us. Like an ice core in climatology, this gives us a record of the distant past.

>The minimum acceleration predicted by Quantised Inertia / MiHsC is given by: a = 2c^2/CosmicDiameter, and 'CosmicDiameter' varies with time as the cosmos expands. This means that as we look at galaxies further away, and further back in time, the CosmicDiameter was smaller and the minimum acceleration was bigger (This might also explain the inflation of the early universe, but that's another story)

QI is based on an expanding universe. Please stop spreading lies, Mike has more than enough shitty ideas of his own.

EARTHER (derogatory)

Glad they decided to hot stage. That rocket acrobatics shit was fucking retarded

>>15521746
slap some TPS tiles on that bad boy and bob's your uncle

>>15521721
slap some TPS tiles on that bad boy and bob's your uncle

>>15521923
It's not that easy in rocketry

>>15521927
It's not that easy in replyetry, either :-(

>>15521931
works on my machine

still no flickr

still no spaces

>>15521972
it happened already

>>15521977
Nigger the second one

>>15521981
yeah we got it

>>15521346
like andrea!

>>15521406
That little performance convinced me to never read his shitty book

>>15521406
What happened?

>>15521992
Musk asked Vance to stay on topic and that he only had a few minutes left for the interview. Vance kept asking off-topic questions. Musk said "This call is terminated" and dropped the call faster than Vance could ask "Are you sure?"

>>15522001
Fucking retarded interviewers. The only way for us to get quality information is if theres a private space.

>>15520683
Nope, the Starship spaces IS the Ashlee Vance interview. You got played

civil engineers of /sfg/ how much time do you have to let concrete cure for before you can launch the most powerful rocket ever off of it?
If they don't pour the concrete in the next few days I don't see them making the 6 week launch estimate

>>15522020
it depends on the concrete, but this stuff just exists to be a boat anchor for the steel plate so it should be fine? I'm sure they've got it figured out

>>15522020
They take few weeks really, not that much of a big deal.

>>15522020
The rocket is launching in 8 weeks, silly.

>>15522020
Starship OLM isn't concrete anymore, its extra thicc steel plated with billion pylons holding onto the ground below for a robust foundation

>>15522001

>>15522020

>>15522020
>If they don't pour the concrete in the next few days I don't see them making the 6 week launch estimate
Starship wont launch again this year. We know this because it tumbled and exploded out of the fucking sky

>>15522035
The before/after rebars is incredible.

>>15522040
Musk-1's think there's going to be crewed Starships on Mars before 2035 lmao

>>15522050
It's weird. /sfg/ used to be hypercritical of Musk timelines, but now far from it. Are they newfags? Born yesterday? I spit my coffee laughing when Elon said "8 weeks" during the oft aftermath twitter spaces. It's been 8 weeks since he said that. and now it's 6 weeks. From the day OFT 1 happened, it would be reasonable to assume 4 months MINIMUM. likely closer 6-8 months. F9 had 6 months between it's first and second flights, and F9 didnt obliterate the pad or blow up

>>15522075
Blatant hyperbola doesn't help your own case either. Falcon 9 took months between flights because of the significant vehicle evolution and a shitload of iteration and repeated replacement of the propellant umbilicals, which kept bursting into flames and getting completely destroyed every flight.

>>15522086
>significant vehicle evolution
>shitload of iteration
>repeated replacement of the propellant umbilicals
All of which plague Starship far more seriously than they plagued F9

>>15522094
SpaceX also had a lot less idea what it was doing in the early days of Falcon 9 and had a lot less budget, manpower, and aerospace expertise to call on. The existence of difficulties alone isn't enough to set schedule, they also need to have little idea how to address the problem and the time needed to implement the solution must be considered. Falcon 9 ended up solving things in large part by completely rebuilding the strongbacks from the ground up.

FAA will not be granting OFT-2 license any time soon. With this extra time SpaceX can add new features. they just need to implement hot staging into B9, not hard. We already know B8 failed due to stage sep, nothing to do with Raptors (confirmed today)

>>15522104
>We already know B8 failed due to stage sep, nothing to do with Raptors
What was the exact quote?

>>15522104
booster 8 failed? first I've heard of this

Hot staging is cringe. Where is my backflipping rocketship?

Staging is cringe. Where is my SSTO?

Starship HLS isn’t going to be ready in 2026 is it

I’m not an engineer but wouldn’t this just waste some fuel in the first stage if you are going to hot fire starship?

>>15522156
On a planet with a far less gay gravity well.

>>15522156
Reusable first stage makes SSTO unnecessary.

>>15522192
It's just a matter of specific impulse. Chemical rockets are kinda cringe.

>>15522125
>"so yeah [incoherent rambling] raptor [incoherent rambling] mars [tangent about best part is no part]"

>>15522201
Specific impulse is nothing but a measurement of mileage per weight of fuel. That's not how you beat gravity wells.

>>15522218
You need sufficient thrust and sufficient specific impulse to realize efficient launch vehicles.

>>15522020
They haven't even started the booster static fire campaign, you can allot a month or two for that alone, and apparently they now need to add the hotstaging ring, too. It's not going to happen in six weeks, you should know by now to not trust his timelines.

>>15522211
EDS patients always expose themselves

>>15522104
Booster 8 was scrapped, Booster 7 failed to reach orbit because of engine outs and lost TVC.

>>15522104
There's no delay from FAA. Its just SpaceX is not ready. They need everything, including all the new things before FAA approves it.

>>15522187
it's a net gain because you never turn off your engines and slow down

>>15522232
adding a ring to B9 can be done in days, long before the OLM is ready to testing

>>15522297
I'm worried about the hot staging

>>15522297
why would the arcs be on the bottom?