/sci/ - Science & Math

>>15374669
Nope, SpaceX Starship+Superheavy is

>>15374703
does he know?

Artemis I launched with no issues (amid several scrubs and can kicks).

>>15374703
just 2 more decades :)

>>15374739
The test? Yeah it went pretty well. Tower is intact so testing pace will increase

>>15374860
the FAA is likely pissed they didn't terminate the rocket as soon as it went bad they just let it fly around for like several minutes like a giant ballistic missile with unknown trajectory

it's over anon

>>15374935
It's the most indestructable rocket I've ever seen.

If the space shuttle did a dozen flips end over end over the speed of sound it would of shattered into popcorn

>>15374669
>>15374703
The new New Glenn will make us an interplanetary species, screencap this

>>15374935
the FAA can suck my nuts for all i care

>>15375147
Based

>>15374935
You mean 20 seconds?

>>15374964
Is it recoverable or nah

>>15374935
FAA does range safety.

>>15374935
you don't know what you're talking about

>>15374669
Are Chinese going to just add boosters as they go up in tonnage? lol Rename to Kerbal Mush.

Long March 9 was supposed to look like Starship, so if Starship fails - then LM9 will get redesign, because Chinese won't want to risk it.

>>15375408
Do you think he cares?

>>15374669
Based
>>15374703
Cringe

>>15374669
The test failure is a bummer, but it's not like it's the first and it certainly won't be the last.

>>15375490
spaceX beta testing for China was this always part of his plan?!

>>15374669
it is

>>15374669
>Chinese technology
lmao

>Falcon 9 had like 30 crashes at the start
>last year it did 60 launches, averaging at more than one launch a week
>meanwhile Starship has undergone it's first actual launch test

>>15374669
You mean, after the Saturn V and SLS? Yeah, I guess.

>>15374669
>>15375923
So you just ignore that this thing launched without an issue?
And that unlike the Long March 9, it actually exists instead of just being drawings on a paper?

>>15376004
Don't rub it in too much. That fucking schizo from /x/ will show up and start claiming that its launch was a globohomo hologram.

>>15375977
stage 1 landing fails don't incinerate the crew and expensive cargo desu

>>15376067
The Falcon 9 flew plenty of times without human cargo before it was deemed safe to ride on. Why would Starship be any different?

>>15376067
I guess its good this test launch had no crew or cargo then.

>>15376004
We cheering for Long March 9 because Chinese have a different approach to building. If China builds superheavy rocket, they would build it in a sterile and controllable environment with German nanometer precision, they would test everything extensively and only then launch with 99% probability of success.
Musk on the other hand build his rocket under the open air, in some strange place, without a fire trench, had uneducated mexicans with hammers fix everything, the rocket was battered by the elements for months, who knows what got wrong with it inside and Musk himself gave his rocket 50% chance of success on a suborbital flight with very very shy goal.

When Chinese LM9 rocket will be standing on the pad and countdown will begin, it will be a very different deal compared to Musk and his Starship joke.

>>15376094
at least F9 has an abort system to save lives unlike SS, and what if SS needs to come in and land anywhere on Earth in an emergency lol good luck with that.

>>15376116
> they would test everything extensively and only then launch with 99% probability of success.
That's literally what NASA does, and the reason why it got caught up by SpaceX.
The most efficent way to test is testing to failure, it's literally blowing rockets up.

Look at the SLS, that's a product of your "test to death before even daring to launch", a rocket that's literally the same as the Saturn V, that took almost 20 years of development and that, despite this, is twice as expensive as the Saturn V.
The best way to test is to launch it.
Running tests on computers is the most time consuming approach, and it's only taken by politicians precisely because of retards like you that think that because a test goes wrong it means everything is wrong.

Not to mention that this thing can land already.

>When Chinese LM9 rocket will be standing on the pad and countdown will begin, it will be a very different deal compared to Musk and his Starship joke.
Yes, I'm sure it will go without an issue, just like I'm sure that the first launch won't happen before 2035 and that each mission using the LM9 will cost no less than a billion dollars.
Meanwhile by then Starship will be even more reliable than the Falcon 9 while actually costing even less than a Falcon 9 launch.

>>15376121
>land anywhere on Earth
Do you know how few crewed space vehicles have fulfilled this?

>>15376121
>at least F9 has an abort system to save lives unlike SS,
It's almost as if the rocket it's still in development and F9's development ended ages ago.

>>15376116
>literally advocating for what every government space agency does
>same governments that haven't advanced rocket technology in any way since the Apollo program

>>15376154
capsules can literally land anywhere other than the Himalayas or something SS literally needs a landing pad or it will go boom

>>15376156
cope abort system for SS is not in the plan

>>15376166
Yes, and a capsule is a shitty, tiny little thing that can only transport 4 people.
Meanwhile, if Starship works, it will be able to transport dozens and tons of material.
Good luck building anything on the Moon when this is all the space you have to carry stuff.

>NOOO, WHY DO YOU ADVANCE TECHNOLOGY, WHY DON'T WE USE THE SAME FLYING COCKS WE'VE BEEN USING FOR 60 YEARS

>>15376166
bush planes can literally land anywhere other than the Himalayas or something 737s literally needs a landing strip or it will go boom

>>15376177
Retard never heard of skylab.

>>15376177
could have made a 7m diameter Super Falcon that was capable of 105t to LEO that was safe and almost fully reusable instead desu

>>15374669
The Earth is flat with a dome.
God exists.

Aliens don't exist.
Space isn't real.
Gravity doesn't exist.
Never went to the moon.
Asteroids don't exist.
UFOs are a psyop.
Nukes don't exist.
Evolution is a lie.
Germ Theory is a lie.

The world is ruled by secret societies that worship Satan. Jews/Jesuits/Freemasons/Illuminati are Gnostics and Kabbalists. Masters at deception. One satanic philosophy is inverting reality.

They make you think you live on a spinning ball.
They make you think you're just an animal.
They make you think there's a deadly virus out there.
They make you think you are ever leaving this plane alive.

>>15376211
Skylab wasn't a capsule, it was a hollowed out second stage of a Saturn V.

>>15376226
That's my point, the tech was already there in the '70s.

>>15374964
>>15375324
It was 40 km up and tumbling were slow. Also dont bring SS here, yes it was a giant disasster overall but picking a launch system which giant, heavy fuel tank strapped into a lifting surface isnt fair. Most rockets would survive this, they are just range safy'ied.

>>15375958
Anon, in recent years CNSA had a streak of massive advancements, including moon sample return missions and lunar landers/roves plus a space station. If you are to hate China, do it for a valid reasons because you make other people who hate China look like retards.

>>15376146
How much do they pay you for shilling this retarded and obvious?

>>15376281
> including moon sample return missions and lunar landers/roves plus a space station.
Congrats, you are at the level of 80s US and Soviet Union.
Or maybe not, considering by then the US had landed on the Moon 6 times and the Soviets had the Energia rocket that could have put people on the Moon if they wanted.

>>15376303
How much do you pay for your English classes, spic? Because anything above 1 cent sounds like a scam to me.

>>15374669
Question out of ignorance, not trolling: why does going to space seem so difficult after more than half a century of practice?

>>15376329
Yes Anon, them moving from fist manned soyuz copy capsules to lunar sample returns, mars rovers and big, modular space stations means they advanced a lot.

>>15376347
Because a rocket is literally a continuous, controlled explosion.
The environment on the combustion chamber of a rocket is of 3000 degrees and 100 atmospheres.
On top of that, those 50 years do not include super heavy lift rockets, just rockets capable of putting people in Low Earth Orbit.

>>15376343
Why do you think you deserve me putting any effort into my replies?

>>15376347
>why does going to space seem so difficult after more than half a century of practice?
It requires alot of specialized knowledge and there was a huge brain drain across all the major aerospace agencies over the years. It's like if all maritime travel was scaled back, neglected for decades, and new engineers have to relearn basic stuff like salt water corrosion or temperature resistant welds.

>>15376347
it's easier than ever actually we solved rocketry in the 60's with Saturn V multistage design, since then we deviated with designs that are retarded like Shuttle and Starship. SLS is a return to form form for humanity and I am happy that it is actually happening, looking forward to returning to the Moon and going to Mars on a NASA rocket.

>>15374669
On the account that CNSA has so many cuties as engineers I wish them luck.

>>15376368
>>15376382
>>15376368
>>15376382
Thanks for answering. So I take that to mean that we still can't guarantee astronauts' survival. Might as well bet on AI then to perform experiments for us in space.
>>15376397
On a positive note I guess we learned a lot from failed designs. There are worse ways rich people can spend their money.

>>15376466
half of that bugs face is covered, you don't even know what she looks like simp faggot

>>15375958
Chinese tech stopped being a joke 15 years ago and started becoming a major contender 5 years ago. They've already outpaced the US in several fields. I see you're still living in the past, anon.

>>15376004
>So you just ignore that this thing launched without an issue?
A mere ten years behind schedule and a mere thirty billion dollars over budget.

>>15376501
>So I take that to mean that we still can't guarantee astronauts' survival.
No, why do you think rocket engines aren't used for aircraft or cars?
They are fucking dangerous, even though they are, ironically, the most environmentally friendly of all combustion engines.

>>15376537
Yet I'd still rather ride the rocket that DOESN'T blow up

>>15374935
No way, they had telemetry and contact 100% of the time. The fact they didn't terminate it immediately indicates they were beyond sure that they could terminate it safely at any time.
Remember the rocket follows a ballistic trajectory, you can calculate how long it needs to reach the ground pretty easily. Even if they got an inquiry it would be trivial to dismiss, especially given the rocket was supposed to perform a turn as part of its launch.

>>15376146
>webm
kinoest moment of the 21st century so far.

>>15376177
China already testing their next generation capsule that could have 5 people inside of

Starship never had any internal engineering done, or life support even tested.

>>15376303
Look at how much time it took to land the Falcon 9 booster reliably, and now and now it is so common that aint even impressive anymore.
Why do you think that SpaceX, if things go right of course, cant do the same again?

>>15376563
Thats why rockets have LES. Which starship doesnt have. Just like space shuttle. And everybody knows how it ended

>>15376639
>next-generation
>capsule
That's an oxymoron.
Capsules are 20th century tech.

>>15376643
>33 engines
>33 REUSABLE engines, even
That's why. Even if you forget literally everything else, anyone with even the tiniest engineering background can tell this is a disaster waiting to happen.

>>15376682
Well, China also has parallel works on Space planes, but this highly classified field and i am not at freedom to elaborate. Lets just say that "Works are ongoing".

>>15376643
Because costs of testing scale with price of the rocket. And this thing is supposed to launch so reliably that it can ensure survival of 100 people on launch

>>15376684
Im sure that stage with 33 engines placed next to each other, put under repeated stress, on a human SH rated rocket with overly complicated fuel system, will not result in a total loss of crew and vehicle. N1 was very successful design which proved that you can just put more engines on!

>>15376684
the engines were purpose-built from scratch for this, it was their goal from the start

>>15376563
Well I thought astronauts visit and leave the space station quite often. The station needs supplies too, so I assumed we mastered short distance space travel, like a recent graduate could engineer that just following protocol with senior guidance. I guess I overestimated what we can do.

>>15376720
Short distance travel is "mastered", but that's done with far weaker rockets.
Starship is twice as powerful as the Saturn V.

And rocket engineering in general we have pretty much the grasp of it, the SLS is a Moon rocket and it launched without any issues on it's first flight, it's just Starship is brand new in almost every way, even the fuel it uses is something rockets have never used before.

The Falcon 9 can land, but otherwise it was a simple mid-range rocket.
Starship is all new tech, it's why it looks so different from every other one.

>>15376718
How many engine failures we had on this launch before the stage failed completely?

>>15376717
and, as was said before in this thread, this way of testing is cheaper and faster than the way NASA does it.
it took years for Falcon 9 to be human-rated, and it was a way more conventional design

>>15376754
they were showing 4 turned off in the live feed, i dont know what happened around the time of separation though

>>15374669
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>>15376742
I see. Thanks for explaining. Awesome that humanity is pushing boundaries again.

>>15376845
A lot of people are pushing tech forward, is just not much of it is advertised to the public since this is tech that only governments can afford to use.
There's things like Skylon, pic related, a spaceplane capable of reaching space on it's own without the use of a rocket, that could theoretically carry more weight than a Falcon 9 to orbit.

Though it is true however that if we had wanted we could have done things like put people on Mars in the 70s, it's just governments need a reason to spend the billions it costs to do such a thing, and just gathering rocks isn't for them.
Now everyone's talking about going to the Moon precisely because we can build something there at a price that the government is comfortable to pay.

>>15376906
yeah people are quick to call others shills, but many of those "shills" are just average spaceflight fans excited to have actual progress after years of stagnation, regardless if it is SpaceX or not

>>15376639
>Starship never had any internal engineering done, or life support even tested.
Why on earth would you assume that. The structural design of the Starship is not likely to go through any major changes in the future which means that a separate team is already working on internal engineering. You didn't see it on this launch as this rocket was designed to be destroyed and they are not ready to send up a manned crew. Why you think life support has never been tested is even more baffling considering the Crew Dragon has been a thing for a while.
If you're building a car you can test the engine and frame while another team plans our the internal furnishings.

>>15377958
>which means that a separate team is already working on internal engineering.

Can you show me?

Expect many good news on 24th of April from China, its the Space Day and many people will release plans and updates.

>>15374853
That would still make it the first fully reusable heavy lift rocket to BTFO all of old space.

>>15374935
If the FAA is pissed about not blowing up the rockets in time they got only themselves to blame. It's literally the FAA pushing that button.

China is literal technocracy. One day some of the CNSA leaders will become the leader of the whole China.

>>15376166
It needs a flat spot. The booster needs a catcher.

>>15378123
>China is literal technocracy.
lol, no - they're a bureau-autocracy. all the claims about how the country is run by scientists and engineers completely ignores that the people who actually run shit are the people who squeaked through undergrad, worked a year or two on some token contract job, and then spent 10-20 years as career bureaucrats climbing the Party ranks.

Hu Jintao worked as a contractor on a hydro dam for 8 months before moving to a ministry office job. Xi Jintao graduated with a chemical engineering job and walked into a secretary job for father's political office. They're all like this.

>>15378462
Yeah, that sure sounds better than what we have. Check their other positions in the government, merit played a big role in people getting them.

>>15376692
Stop larping on a science forum...let's just say we can tell.

>>15378123
No they're not, every single retard on 4chan pretends china is some based place where they would be the leader for x reason and all thr liberals who shun them will be proven wrong. It's really pathetic.

>>15378676
>Check their other positions in the government, merit played a big role in people getting them
Lol no. Pulling strings because of your position in government to ensure your children land positions in top schools and universities shortly before using your position in government to land them positions in the bureaucracy that will start their climb up the ladder to leadership is not merit.
Remember that these same meritorious leaders were the ones ordering people welded into apartments during the coof.

>>15378897
>were the ones ordering people welded into apartments during the coof.

And based on the information they had at the time it was reasonable decision. I don't care about some weirdo's freedom if there is an epidemic that causes people to collapse on the street. Chinese government legit the only ones who could stop zombie virus, because they would have no sentiments for zombies, while in Western countries they would pretend that zombies are normal and can be cured, hugging and kissing them.

>>15378870
CHYNA NUMBA 1 WYBOI. WATCH THE SKIES AND SEE

>>15378040
Ah yes, a reusable super heavy lift rocket, for all those massive payloads that need to get into space.

>>15378123
I hope you live there and get mega-dosed with nationalism and propaganda to believe this. If you think this way as an outsider you are mentally deficient.

>>15376528
Lol, lmao. They still just copy paste american or russian designs for everything.

>>15376116
>they would build it in a sterile and controllable environment with German nanometer precision, they would test everything extensively and only then launch with 99% probability of success.
Yeah, like that one time one of their rockets landed in a village right?

>>15376303
Shill or not, that nigga is right and you are the retard here.

>>15379094
Why the fuck do you pretend to care? They evacuate villages and give warnings to them, same as in Boca Chica. You don't care about Chinese villagers more than you don't care about birds and sea turtles in Texas. You don't give a fuck so stop pretending like a faggot.

>>15379123
So the village incident was part of the plan all along? Wow, chinese precision is truly unprecedented.

>Starship is just a tool to get dumbass VC money
ALWAYS HAS BEEN
Anyone who has ever taken it seriously is part of the "dumbass" genome that coincidentally overlaps with nearly all VCs.

>>15379123
If I didn't care about Chinese villagers why I do allow them to freely come to my country and criticize the CCP?

>>15374935
there's an oldspace cheerleader in one of my discords who is convinced of this narrative

>>15377972
I think there is done truth that SpaceX is not putting in the personal necessary for this. That said it isn't that hard to scale up a Dragon life support system to a Starship one. Where SpaceX is failing is their Martian equipment design. At the rate they are going they will have a rocket ready to land on Mars in 3 years, but no equipment that will allow people to live and work there. Even a 30 day life support system in Starship which is part of the NASA contract is not yet ready.

>>15379252
>it isn't that hard to scale up a Dragon life support system to a Starship one.
Yeah, I don't think it would actually need much research and effort to do that.

>>15379282
I mean the ISS does it already. This isn't new, just needs to be much larger and more efficient. The expired SpaceX job posting for life support says the same.

>>15378999
Or just any payload since no other rocket will be able to compete.