/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14943443
What will the implications for psychedelic drug users be when it's proven that consciousness comes from the soul?

>>14943443
When everything is conscious.. nothing is.

>>14943443
If it has quantum powers then why is it susceptible to being hit? If you got brain damage your consciousness would change.

>>14943445
There is no good reason to believe in souls. Same question also applies here. If consciousness comes from soul then how come you can damage or break it by messing with a brain?

>>14943445
it's already being demonstrated that some drugs do affect microtubules, understanding exactly how will probably allow for the creation of a bunch of new drugs with new effects

>>14943445
>What will the implications for psychedelic drug users be when it's proven that consciousness comes from the soul?
They could argue that the psychedelics clear up biological obstacles that prevent you from fully interfacing with your soul. Even as it stands, it works as a metaphor even if you don't believe in a literal soul as a separate magic energy entity.

>>14943448
>When everything is conscious
you have an absolute observer... what are the implications for this in physics?

>>14943449
because the physical world is simply an illusion

>>14943457
Yes but when they're finally forced to understand that "oneness" is fake and they're experiencing a delusion caused by warped perceptions, how will people like the OP respond?

>>14943469
None of that actually follows from your premise.

>>14943469
>Yes but when they're finally forced to understand that "oneness" is fake and they're experiencing a delusion caused by warped perceptions
Reality is fake and you're experiencing a delusion caused by warped perceptions

>>14943443
quantum mechanics isn't random. Human free will is the source of the lack of determinism. Human consciousness causes wave function collapse.

>>14943475
I'm not a drug abuser.

>>14943479
But you have a body to perceive things with, without your senses there is no reality

>>14943449
>If you got brain damage your consciousness would change
you mean just like real life?

idk if you know this but Jesus was resurrected physically, believers will be too after the second coming

>>14943479
Nobody is suggesting any abuse. Think of it as harnessing a power that is available to you. Why would you not use every tool in your toolkit?

>>14943475
>Reality is fake
no

stop forcing your bullshit on my thread

>>14943501
Okay, anon, I'm sure you'll be posting on 4chan in the "afterlife"

>>14943503
and i'm sure non-sequiturs will flow from you like diarrhea

>>14943443
"phenomena" is plural
"phenomenon" is the singular
a phenomenon
multiple phenomena
and yes, consciousness is obviously a quantum phenomenon
one of the implications of this will be the acceptance of human cognition being nondeterministic, opening up a window for a real and measurable mechanism of true free will

>>14943529
You shouldn't be throwing around words that you don't know the meaning of

>>14943537
yea i shouldn't have put the "a" there and realized that after i hit post oh well

any time there's a collapse of a wave function it's an instance of limited consciousness, so there are likely many different forms of consciousness besides the kind humans are typically familiar with

>>14943540

>>14943543
https://eurekaseven.fandom.com/wiki/Limit_of_Questions

>>14943449
>how come you can damage or break it by messing with a brain?
because you just can ok. Geez

>>14943583
entanglement is fragile, it's not even known exactly how it's facilitated in the human body but the signs are there

>>14943495
>Nobody is suggesting any abuse.
You're the one who wants to take psychedelics to ruin your perception, thinking it's some sort of spiritual revelation.

>>14943448
>when everything exists nothing does
imagine being such a midwit you thought you were saying something profound when it was actually incredibly retarded

>>14943443
It has been accepted as fact all through as history. Just because retards dont know it doesnt change anything. Retards hardly know anything of substance which has also always been that way

>>14943443
Consciousness will probably not be a quantum phenomena, this is akin to saying Consciousness is an Aether physics phenomena a century ago.
>but muh microtubules
Yes quantum exists and life definably uses it to 'compute' things does not mean it is the end of the road for what consciousness is.

>>14943443
everything is a quantum phenomena from a materialistic point of view. Trees grow, birds fly, it's all quantum under the hood.

>>14943724
>Instead of consciousness causing collapse, wavefunctions collapsed spontaneously, causing a moment – a ‘quantum – of consciousness

>>14943795
https://www.ias.edu/news/in-the-media/2017/penrose-consciousness
>Roger Penrose on Why Consciousness Does Not Compute

>>14943443
Can someone give me a quick rundown on quantum bayesianism?

>>14944016
>>14944020
Penrose was only right about quantum processes being involved in conscious
objective-collapse hypotheses have all been disproven by the latest evidence
https://www.quantamagazine.org/physics-experiments-spell-doom-for-quantum-collapse-theory-20221020/

>>14943685
Don't be a hero. Just take the damn pills.

I don’t think OP has ever studied consciousness

>>14944217
Daily reminder that neuro"science" is 95% pseudoscience in general and 100% pseudoscience when it comes to explanations of consciousness.

x

you're just saying quantum research is stinky poo people crystal ball woo woo

Has there ever been an image board as incompetent and retarded as /sci/? I think not

Consciousness is unironically the prime mover and whoever hasn't got it yet is basically a moron. Idealism is the only ontology that works, everything else is illusion - maya.

>>14943443
Give a single piece of scientific evidence and collect your Nobel!

>>14944301
I don't trust those brain chemicals desu
they seem kinda sus

>>14944419
a hallmark study demonstrating beyond doubt that quantum processes are occurring in the brain, including in areas associated with consciousness, has literally been plastered all over the media lately
pay attention
https://scitechdaily.com/shocking-experiment-indicates-our-brains-use-quantum-computation/
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/2399-6528/ac94be

>>14944535
>hallmark
Laughable
>popsci posting a provocative title is proof
Read the article you lobotomite
>If the team’s results can be corroborated
And, even more concerning, IOP is **not peer-reviewed**. Corroborate the evidence in a peer-reviewed journal and stop posting crackpot quantum gravity bullshit as fact.

>>14943443
see
>>14943404

>>14944553
>Laughable
it's literally a hallmark study demonstrating it clearly, moron
>Read the article you lobotomite
read the scientific study it's based on, which I literally provided you with right underneath it, you ignorant dumbass
>**not peer-reviewed**
peer-review is the least scientific notion imaginable, retard
>quantum gravity
alright, you don't have to drive home the point that you're retarded any further now

>>14944608
>peer-review is the least scientific notion imaginable, retard
>quantum gravity
Go back to plebbit faggot.

>>14944621
you're the moron who started talking about quantum gravity, shitlord
put your Fedora back on so we don't have to look at the empty cavity where your brain is supposed to be

>>14944419
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1604855113

moron

>>14944096
>objective-collapse hypotheses have all been disproven by the latest evidence

latest evidence you linked: "Although physical-collapse models are badly ailing, they’re not quite dead."

this board is pathetic and you should be ashamed

is english even your first language?

>>14944910
you truly are one dumb moron
that's just something they write to make it clear that they're scientists, and that there's always that 0.000000001% chance of being wrong
could we suddenly get evidence for the existence of God tomorrow?
yes, we could
in your brain, I'm sure you go:
>"Although God models are badly ailing, they're not quite dead."
total misinterpretation of that, and one you're willfully making in order to avoid acknowledging that you're wrong and that you were savagely schooled
sad and embarrassing

>>14944927
>you were savagely schooled
>sad and embarrassing

>>14944939
no projection there at all, you were clearly savagely schooled on the facts, which is indeed sad and embarrassing
nice try with the armchair psychologist "no u"
even more sad and embarrassing

>>14943443
hm... if making circuits smaller already involves them being subjected to quantum fuckery, does the brain have stuff that is on that quantum fuckery subjected scale?

>>14944927
>>14944983
this is what happens when you don't read articles before posting them, take note lol.

>>14944301
>whoever hasn't got it yet is basically a moron
Yes

>>14945019
you mean to say that your sad and embarrassing display is what happens when you try to misinterpret part of an article to avoid having to admit to being savagely schooled
now that's what I call an actual projection

>>14945064
>you mean to say that your sad and embarrassing display is what happens when you try to misinterpret part of an article to avoid having to admit to being savagely schooled
>now that's what I call an actual projection

so good

>>14945066
yep, even when I savagely school retards on just how savagely they're being schooled I make sure to do it thoroughly

>>14945090
i'm sure mommy will be very impressed by today's impotent fit

>>14945097
the potency of my savage schooling is readily apparent to everyone who isn't scurrying away to avoid acknowledging how wrong they were, in this case you
sad and embarrassing

>>14945122
t. obvious child that falls for clickbait popsci headline

>>14945132
>t. savagely schooled retard tries to save face by willfully misinterpreting a statement in an article
also, I provided the study those findings are based on too
nice try, though
savagely schooled once more

if a receptor is a unit of consciousness, then neurotransmitters must be conscious in themselves.

>>14945181
>willfully misinterpreting a statement

not "ALL" collapse hypotheses have been disproven

you'd know that if you actually read the article lol

>>14945200
no one ever said anything about all collapse hypotheses, we're talking specifically about objective collapse hypotheses
and the articles is very clear that objective collapse is obviously false, only leaving that statement you willfully misinterpreted as a way of saying, "well, we're scientists, we're open-minded, even God can be real and gravity might reverse direction tomorrow, but probably not"
you, ever the dim-witted fool, tried to misconstrue this as "sO uR sAyInG tHeReS a ChAnCe?" in order to avoid admitting how savagely you were schooled
and right now you were savagely schooled once again
over and over again
don't you get tired of embarrassing yourself?

>>14945276
>don't you get tired of embarrassing yourself?
he still hasn't read it lmao

>>14945292
>he still won't admit how savagely he was schooled and how he fucked up trying to misrepresent a part of the article out of context
lol
lmao even

>>14945299
are you tripping or something? is this a bot? is this all your intellect can muster? i'm trying to break you out of the loop, i know you can do it

>The original GRW model lies just within this tight window: It survived by a whisker.

>>14945314
>gets savagely schooled to the point where you can literally feel the desperation oozing from his posts
>"u-ur high or a bot..."
poor little snowflake
I can only imagine how embarrassing it must be to be savagely schooled this hard over and over again
sad

>>14945314
>>14945352
>>The original GRW model lies just within this tight window: It survived by a whisker.
LOL
lmao even
thanks for proving my point
damn, couldn't have done it better myself
>survived by a whisker
if that doesn't encapsulate exactly how hard I schooled you on how you tried to misrepresent it, I don't know what will
absolutely rekt
KO

>>14945352
>>14945355

>>14945367
it just gets funnier and funnier the more you squirm
savagely schooled
totally rekt
embarrassing for you

>>14945407

>>14945355
>my point

>objective-collapse hypotheses have ALL been DISPROVEN by the latest evidence

>>14945355
>The original GRW model lies just within this tight window

>>14945423
rekt
>>14945433
yes, objective-collapse hypotheses have indeed all been disproven by the latest evidence
that's what I wrote, and those are the facts
the inclusion of a statement that's akin to "sure bro, maybe God exists, but prolly not" doesn't alter that fact
savagely schooled and rekt once again
feel like embarrassing yourself further?

>>14945472
'this model hasn't been ruled out' /= 'maybe god exists'

>>14945511
more like, "this model has almost entirely been ruled out, but just like God can potentially exist, so can such a model by virtue of some utter miracle"
nice try
schooled savagely yet again
embarrassing

>>14945546
actually the quote is right here "After carefully subtracting the remaining background signal — mostly natural radioactivity from the rock — the physicists saw no emission at a sensitivity level that ruled out the simplest form of the Diósi-Penrose model. They also placed strong bounds on the parameters within which various CSL models might still work. The original GRW model lies just within this tight window: It survived by a whisker."

now idk about you but "whisker" doesn't imply " 0.000000001%". your premise was proven false and that has been clearly displayed, you can't even articulate yourself beyond this mindless repetition. you don't pass a turing test.

>>14945570
sounds like I've found myself a real retard who doesn't even know what "strong bounds" or "a whisker" is
your misrepresentation has been thoroughly deconstructed, and you've once again been savagely schooled
still sad and embarrassing

>>14945615
>your misrepresentation
that's the thing, i never made any misrepresentation such as >>14944096
>objective-collapse hypotheses have all been disproven

not even your click bait did that

>>14945642
you did, and you embarrassingly continue to do so despite how I'm savagely schooling you over and over on it
>>objective-collapse hypotheses have all been disproven
correct
no, a "whisker" of hope pulled out of your butt doesn't change that
nice try, retard
savagely schooled again
embarrassing

von neumann discovered that? or is quantum just maths edge! :P

What does "quantum phenomenona" mean. It's a vacuous retarded statement.

>>14945652
>you did, and you embarrassingly continue to do so despite how I'm savagely schooling you over and over on it
>>objective-collapse hypotheses have all been disproven
>correct
>no, a "whisker" of hope pulled out of your butt doesn't change that
>nice try, retard
>savagely schooled again
>embarrassing

>>14946189
>the retard who got savagely schooled keeps trying to project his own retardedness by quoting the schooling verbatim and vapidly adding pictures of himself to it
oh no, it's retarded
anyway!
savagely schooled once again
still incredibly sad and embarrassing

>>14946270

>>14943443
Consciousness is an axiom.

>>14943443
You're admitting quantum computers are conscious.

>>14948364
i think if researchers had the computing power to run an extended simulation of the electrochemical aspects of an entire human brain and nervous system they'd find that no form of consciousness would arise, it'd be like a computer with no software to run it.

i also believe that the first sentient forms of artificial intelligence will undoubtedly be based in quantum computing, and while as stated before any collapse of a wavefunction would be a quantum of consciousness this doesn't mean it's a form of consciousness that resembles ours or that can be understood.

Wake up faggots, this is all a simulation.

>>14949057
I humbly request a better simulation.
One where I'm consistently eating prime rib whilst receiving a double beej from knock-out Swedish twins on a pile of gold coins.

>>14943448
What's the difference between sound, and music, harmony? Emergent Cymatic flower?

>>14943448
>When everything is conscious.. nothing is.
This is what happens when retards regurgitate points they don't understand based on their broken template matching algorithm.

Maybe Cymatic Cavitation blossoms and reflections at various resonances, intensities, and combinations
Each aspect with a corresponding anti aspect, amalgamated into the singular essence of all, the strength of which is symmetric and asymetric depending on your perspective, perspective inertia, and, memory, and future expectations... I'm gonna have an ice cream now...

What are /sci/'s thoughts on David Bohm and the Implicate Order?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wy9kS8ob2Y

^ This is basically the only working theory of everything/complete description of reality anyone has ever come up with afaik

>>14944892
>biophotonic activities in the brain

This has been known since the early 90s by the way thanks to Doctor Fritz Albert Popp, but the research into biophotonics has been criminally underfunded up to this point

Basically, all solid matter is condensed/frozen light in the explicate order

The proto-gnostic manicheans were aware of this too and based their entire religion around it in fact

>>14943449
>There is no good reason to believe in souls
>If it has quantum powers then why is it susceptible to being hit?
The double brainlet take is a strong opening position.

>>14943443
Its endless cope about humans having some kind of soul.

>>14943445
If consciousness comes from the soul, perhaps the body is limiting/dampening the experience of said soul and thus such physical phenomena as a drug trip can temporarily alter the souls experience within the flesh-prison we inhabit.

Now, that said, the fucking rampant misunderstanding of Quantum physics ITT is astonishing. There is no evidence from any competent physicist in the field suggesting that we are somehow a case of mind-body duality.

AT BEST (and this school of thought is quickly dying insofar as the most cutting edge information is concerned) quantum mechanics interact with the human brain on some level and may be involved with the existence of consciousness. No fucking physicist is thumping a bible believing god is real and Jeebus is on his way home for us. If anything it proves even moreso that the body is all consciousness is and that it ends the moment the neurons stop firing. Simple as. Any other interpretation is poor education or good ole' fashioned cope.

>>14943443
That bit on the left in your image looks really surreal and scary. I'd hope that isn't what awaits us when this life ends. Infinite sleep is much more acceptable and preferable imo.

who gives a shit if its a quantum phenomena

if it is then it's a result of our bodies anyway i.e. disproves god and afterlife even harder than materialism because materialism had hard limits lmao

>>14943443
>"consciousness is a quantum phenomena"
Define exactly what you mean by that. Spare literally no pains: Be as detailed as possible. I have an idea what you mean, but I want to make sure we have the same definition and understanding before we continue.

>>14943443
Implications are you’re being fondled by a 4d worm, that travels from one timeline to another not giving a shit if you live or die because it will just connect to your quantum fingerprint in another timeline.

>>14954901
He’s going off the notion that consciousness is not computational, it’s created by quantum interactions in the microscopic regions of certain cells. Possibly by spooky entities unknown. It’s a view that’s ok to subscribe to although recent AI technologies have proven that even computation can create some rather Human like creations and dream like experiences.

>>14954927
>>14954927
>Possibly by spooky entities unknown
Never understood why this is peferable to the generic "it ends when you die, it all was an illusion of your chemicals in your brain to get you to fuck".

Spooky entities and /x/ tier shit being real along with materialism being deboonked scares me :(((

>>14954934
The way I’ve always viewed it is that consciousness exists in a higher dimension and interacts with 3D meat sacks via quantum interactions. But then I think that if it’s a higher dimension would such an entity have access to browsing time, if so, what access to memory does it have, if any. Does it have access to timelines, do certain people not have a conscious connection because their consciousness is connected to some other times lines somewhere else. Who knows, does it even matter, it’s just nice to ponder.

>>14943449
>There is no good reason to believe in souls. Same question also applies here. If consciousness comes from soul then how come you can damage or break it by messing with a brain?
I'm not saying this is the case, but it's conceivable that what you lose from brain damage is not consciousness itself. To me, even thoughts and feelings are not essential to my "existence" as a consciousness. The brain provides things (thoughts, emotions, perceptions, whatever else) that consciousness experiences and interacts with, but I think my consciousness would still be here without those things.

>>14943490
>>14943490
>>If you got brain damage your consciousness would change
>you mean just like real life?
Precisely. Which means that, by extension, consciousness will be destroyed if the entire brain is destroyed.

Which means it all ends when you die. Which means it isn't fucking real and there are no souls. Absolute midwittery my god.

>>14954875
>the rampant misunderstanding of Quantum physics ITT is astonishing

It really isn't, when you consider all of the 4chan users who had anything resembling an 'adult-like' mind, and with a legitimate career in the sciences, left around a decade ago. All that's left are legitimate NEETs, unironic incels, and election tourists. Now, once in a blue moon, one of those will sync up and be an adult-like mind, and working professional. But almost never.

>>14954977
>consciousness will be destroyed if the entire brain is destroyed.

Your perception of consciousness will end. We don't know what will come after the body 'dies'. But we can't say it isn't "consciousness". Historically speaking, philosophers and theologians of all philosophical schools and religions agree that what we call 'life' currently is more of an unconscious state than what 'life' will be when we die, for what it's worth. Which is a pretty fascinating look at the matter, that they saw it the opposite way.

>>14945748
Of course any biological system is full of short-range quantum effects. For the brain to be "le quantum" would mean, to me, long-range entanglement on the scale of neurons. It is pretty far-fetched, physically speaking.

>>14954977
Unfortunately you must concede that you know nothing other than what senses allow you to see. You could be a meatsack, in a simulation, a fractal, a remote controlled puppet, in a coma, a dream. “Certainty is the calling card of the midwit”

>>14954875
https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgqygg/hard-science-of-reincarnation-past-lives

now obviously you can't communicate using entanglement but what if somehow a living person's consciousness is entangled with a quantum system that shares the same quantum state as the dead person's consciousness

would that person then be able to recall some of that dead person's experience?

>>14954903
quantum parasites as an explanation for "reincarnation"? something has to pass on the quantum state.

>>14955175
>People are unironically siting a VICE article to defend their "scientific" takes

The absolute fucking state of legitimate scientific research and study

>>14955212
look dipshit there's a crisis in science that can't be understated, retractions are out of control, replications aren't happening and it's clear there's a giant money grab ensuing if not outright military industrial academic complex obfuscation (of weaponizable sciences), but my posting of a vice article is no indication of that

i just wanted an easy to read rundown of the study of memories of past lives because it's a legitimately documented phenomenon

>>14954987
>Unfortunately you must concede that you know nothing
How do you know?
>“Certainty is the calling card of the midwit”
You seem quite certain of that.

>>14943443
meaningless thread
> consciousness - not defined, is a something process, don't know what that something is or means
moron
> microtubules
yes thats part of your brain, yes it's key to how the brain and consciousness works
>>14954927
> Possibly by spooky entities unknown
nothing spooky in quantum
have you ever washed dishes? that spooky?
> although recent AI technologies have proven that even computation can create some rather Human like creations and dream like experiences.
another meaningless sentence
>>14954951
>that consciousness exists in a higher dimension
hahah check out this faggot
he thinks that there's other dimensions
> but muh string equations
idiot
> meat sacks
OUR BRAIN IS A FUCKING MEAT SACK
CONSCIOUSNESS IS A FUCKING MEAT SACK
MEAT IS CONSCIOUS
GET OVER IT
jesus christ.
> "science people"
> don't understand something
> start talking about higher dimensions, spooky shit and spirituality
losers
>>14954977
> which means
that isn't an argument against any of that
and if you need that argument you are stupid
>>14954875
>he fucking rampant misunderstanding of Quantum physics ITT is astonishing.
i guarantee that someone who takes the energy to write something so tragic also has no idea about quantum
>>14954986
why would you specify biological?
>>14954986
quantum doesn't mean entanglement
you have no idea what you're saying eh
>>14954987
knowing or not knowing has nothing to do with consciousness
i could stab you in both eyes and you'd still be just as conscious as you were before, adding eyes or removing eyes has no bearing on consciousness so your comment is ridiculous, and you are ridiculous. why are you here? i don't mean Why are You Here. Why are you HERE, fuck off back to plebbit.
>>14955178
I can't say the words i want to say here because some janny will just delete it and ban me
sad
>>14955228
> look
lmao, this entire thread is full of morons and plebbits that destroyed their godforsaken forum and have come here to try to find some meaning

>>14955739

>>14955212
>tries to dunk on other people
>siting

>>14955739
>wall of text of moronic babbling

>>14943443
A new day is Dawning upon Earth. An era that has been prophesied and foretold for many ages past. The holographic pictures that have formed your realities are shifting and you feel vulnerable and no longer have an identity you can relate to or familiar parameters to guide you. This is perfectly normal. What is happening is thus you went through the process of releasing all that you thought was important in your third dimensional reality, surrendering your relationships, your possessions, your perception of what and who you were as you moved into Harmony and Attunement with your higher self gradually accessing more refined energy higher frequencies new information and greater wisdom. Then you eventually became more comfortable with your fourth dimensional reality as you worked through all of the negative emotional energies that came bubbling up from within your subconscious mind sweeping out and clearing out molded perceptions pulsating transforming light frequencies reverberated throughout the depths of your cellular structure and begin to break loose all the impacted energies that have accumulated down Through the Ages stirring them up moving them out to be released and replaced with Divine Light substance as you began to resonate to a quickened vibration. Your soul self, your higher self, your Christ self began to once again take up residency and Dominion within your physical vessel. You have a whole new set of rules to live by now, a wonderful plethora of exciting information and new wisdom to assist you in functioning in this new reality in which you now find yourself in. Joy and Bliss will become the norm and gradually you will begin to manifest your dreams and visions and come together with those who recognize you instantly as your soul family. You will begin to share teach and project this new vision, this new persona you have taken on and the new world will look much different much brighter it all rests with you.

>>14955782
These are times of great acceleration. The archangels and are infusing you with the maximum amount of Christ Light or Divine substance from the Creator that your physical vessels can contain. In doing so, it has jolted or sped you along the path of initiation or upward in the Ascension process. However, you wish to define it and so each time you lift your consciousness or tap into a higher frequency and incorporate it in any part of your being whether it is physical emotional mental or etheric, it permeates the very depths of your being and releases any corresponding impacted or negative energies that resonate at a lower frequency. Many of these energies were imprinted in your etheric and emotional bodies during these ancient experiences of your earliest physical incarnations on the Earth plane. They are very powerful indeed and have affected you in every lifetime you have experienced since by magnifying the negative energies until they held you in bondage therefore creating pain and suffering. Do not become bogged down or attached to any set pattern or modality as you gradually emerge from the Cocoon of physical Humanity into the crystalline form of spiritual Humanity. Allow yourself to ride the crest of the mighty waves of transformation, there is nothing to fear. Sense the aura of love in which we surround you. The archangels are oh so very near. Reach Out And Touch them, they will respond. You are not alone, you have never been alone.

>>14943443
i have no idea what's that supposed to mean

>>14945025

Yes.

>>14955790

Man I am reaching out but nobody's jumping from behind the corner; "HERE WE ARE! THE MIGHTY

ARCHHHHANGELLSSSS

!"

>>14943443
Another way to avoid truth about simple reality . You die -- your brain dies -- millions patterns die. You just huge data model that uses real world as dataset , nothing spiritual or quantum about it

>>14955782
>>14955790
It's so easy to read into these schizo ramblings and realize how cope-filled they are. So much desperation. So much desire for there to be more. So much need for a safe and comfy existence to continue and not only continue, but be FILLED with joy and bliss! What a thought!!

AND my family will not only get this warm experience, but I will be REUNITED with them?!?!? HOLY SMOKES this is heckin' TRUE!!! I LOVE CHRIST!!!!

fucking kys christschizos

>>14943449
What do you mean consciousness being changed? How tf do you change a consciousness? Consciousness is just you supremely sensing the world from your body, the out of body experience you experience every moment of your life, which I am describing wrong because it is indescribable.
Consciousness is not your personality or your memories. Memories change every second of your life since you get new info and forget stuff. Personality is basically just program in your brain. What is a changed consciousness?

>>14956349

>>14943443
>when this is accepted as fact?
there would have to be any evidence for it first instead of just evidence against it

>>14957111

>>14944535
>Experimental indications of non-classical brain functions

>>14957136
nothinghotdog

>>14957146
please try and articulate things in terms you don't use for your dick

>>14957203
nothingpenis

There will be no fewer implications than many schizos believe because it likely still doesn't prove consciousness exists after we die, in fact it likely has nothing to do with "life after death".

Now before anyone goes full autism and accuses me of being a materialist shill or whatever, I'm not. In fact the idea that Christ really did come down from heaven to save humanity and grant eternal bliss and happiness in the afterlife with your loved ones is a great and comforting idea to me. I simply doubt it beyond all belief and these conclusions, vague mumblings about microtubules and whatnot do little to assuage my skepticism on the topic.
>>14943445
What do YOU believe the implication will be? Because I assure you, no matter what the truth ends up being, psychedelic drug users will claim absolute victory for their perspective regardless of the accuracy if we can ever prove the "soul" exists. Maybe I'm misreading it but your post seems to imply some smug "gotcha" moment in the future and I assure you they will give you nothing of the sort.

>>14957570
>afterlife with your loved ones
that all depends how faithful they were

Matthew 10:34-35
[34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. [35] For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

>>14943476

>>14954970
there's currently no empirical way to show that what is lost is part of the consciousness itself or merely the access to that part when the brain is damaged - it's not really a good argument either way

that said, stuff like recovery of skills or memories after trauma suggests some level of access involved rather than a complete loss

>>14955372
NTA but i am certain of exactly two things

1. i exist
2. i truly 'know' nothing but that, and this

>>14943685
anon you don't have to eat ALL the mushrooms

>>14945200
>>14945181


Get a room you're gaying up the place.

>>14957744
Children of filial piety should not
leave their parents, even if a century or
a millennium should pass. You should
say, “I want us to be together!” If you
are not people who move the hearts of
your parents so that they say, “If possible, we would like to stay with you forever!” then you are not children of filial
piety. Parental love is such that no matter how bad the children are, the parents
think of being with them. This is why it
is called true love. What about impious
children? They dislike being with their
parents. We find stories of such people
in the Bible, do we not? Some did not
want to be with their own brothers. They
wanted to do and live as they pleased.
What kind of seed is this? It is the seed
of the unfilial. (147-292, 1986.10.1)

>>14943443
Is it possible that your premise is true but the afterlife is still not real?

Or are they inherently connected?

>>14943443
it's true, consciousness has been solved. good job, OP.

>>14960080
I saw you spam this shit on /pol/ earlier

>>14943443
Photosynthesis is a quantum process. Did that discovery radically alter how we see plants?

>>14944301
The Law of Causality is absolute. You will not find freedom in the material world. The material world is dead, a corpse, the stinking corpse of the great lion-headed snake, Yaldaboath.

The reason why deduction seems to sure to us, Platonic form so absolute, is because a part of us is from the Pleroma, the fullness of God. All being flows from the Entirety, the Monad. It's emanations were in perfect balance, each paired with its antipodes, flowing forth from the Barbelō, God's Forethought, until Sophia tried to fathom the ineffable depths of the entirety. Such a thing could only be get a partial creature.

That is Yaldaboath. No he and his Archons hold sway over US, a Godhand grasping the throats of our souls.

Reject the material. Fathom mathematics and the truth of Form. Reject Yaldaboath and war against the members of the body. Logos has taken on flesh and comes to our aid! Seek the Lost Books, climb like Zostrionos, ever upward into the towering abstractions, the reification that leads to the Pleroma, Jacob's Ladder. Only then can you obtain the Gnosis!

>>14961600
Why are gnostics always so narcissistic? Nobody wants to read your tripe, it was BTFO literally 2000 years ago.

>>14961609
Silence hylic! Or are you an Archon as well? Either way, your kind are as nothing to me. Begone meat husk, you are not master here.

>>14961609
>it was BTFO literally 2000 years ago
i think a lot of young people who were raised Christian have this fascination with gnosticism because they're spiritual but disillusioned with their upbringing and the Christians they see around them and gnosticism offers convenient, familiar 'hidden truths' behind the religion they grew up with that allows them to distance themselves from the ideas and people that they're disillusioned with while they attempt to elevate themselves spiritually and sort the world out. unfortunately for them gnosticism has little to offer other than self delusion.

>>14961660

>>14963458
or maybe they are just smarter than you and understand things you dont

>>14963543
>they are just smarter than you
maybe there's only a ~7% chance of that if you're sampling the entire u.s population...

height is the only area where i might not have hit the genetic lottery but judging from medical studies 5'9" is perfect

>>14943443
(((quantum phenomena)))

>>14963618
explain Gnosticism to me in detail and why they believe what they do, again, in detail

I'll wait

>>14963618
nvm we both know you dont know jack shit about it. So you are a person who knows jack shit about a topic while psycobbaling about why people think it and you think this can ever be mistaken as high IQ behavior? It is literally retard tier, no one should ever take you seriously on any topic. Pro tip: In the future if you want people to take you seriously, dont talk about things you know nothing about like you are some expert.

>>14963820
>dont talk about things you know nothing about
uhh i've read all the apocrypha and considered myself a gnostic Christian for years but w.e you say, enlightened one

>>14963842
ok then explain it in detail as I originally requested. Why didnt you do it? Why did you do skip that post and only reply to this one? Reading something doesnt mean you understand it, especially not in occult terms as everything is coded in metaphors and symbolism specifically to keep casuals like you from understanding it. Im not trying to insult you here, I am just trying to teach you something important about keeping an open mind and listening to people before you think they anything about what they are about. You dont know what that anon believes or why and deluding yourself into thinking you do is one of the elementary mistakes pseuds always step into

>>14964931
>Why didnt you do it?

because you're clearly retarded and explaining your misguided cult to you isn't the point of this thread. go back to /x/. maybe in 30 years you'll have meditated on it enough to move on but probably not.

>>14964969
>reeeeeeeeee
yep, figured as much. embarrassing you would resort to this in order to avoid admitting the obvious. pathetic

>>14964992
>embarrassing you would resort to this

lol /x/

go back

you and your ilk are the reason there's a stigma attached to the idea of quantum consciousness

>>14965875
you never even thought about this topic in your life until I spoonfed it to you. ROFL @ you newfag ego maniacs. The only thing any of you morons on this board know about this came direct from me. You are a hack and a psued

>>14943449
>>14956993
this

>>14965908
Wat je zegt ben jezelf, met je kop door de helft

>>14943475
>Reality is fake
Based

>>14943443
>human consciousness is a physical phenomena bound by laws of physics such as causality and thermodynamics, and it's predictable with probability distributions
You retards shove your head so far up your ass it somehow ends up being both reasonable and the opposite of what you are trying to say

>>14966520

>>14943443
0% chance.

>>14943685
Your perception is already skewed. How could it not be? Since your mind's representations of things can never be those things. Taking drugs just skews them a different way to what they already are.

What if human consciousness is maintained eternally in the structure of the universe after the brain forms but is then subjected to infinite agony after the body dies? Wouldn't that suck?

>>14966767
Terrifying thought indeed but it doesn't have any observable phenomena to suggest that as the case so worrying about it beyond some surface level thought exercises and curiosity is as schizophrenic and psychotic as believing in some perfect afterlife posited by religious dogma.

>>14966767
Well, you would have to not only maintain it but introduce the state-changes that add up to suffering. Really unlikely that after death you have anything approaching your normal varieties of perception. All of the suffering you know in life is mediated by a healthy neural metabolism that evolves over time. It takes time and lots of intricate brain work to feel pain or anything else and interpret it as such. Really your best shot at suffering is in the here and now, so you fill in the afterlife with more suffering just because its easier, its something you can understand.

Sounds unlikely, but hey, who knows? My guess would be if there were some continued state, it would be very unlikely to resemble anything we understand of this one.