/sci/ - Science & Math

astroshit is for dumb fukkin niggers

Apparently the hue hue BRs have copy struck Jeff's rocket launch? Anyone else seeing this?

these were a few months ago, the newest pic was even worse but couldn't find it by quickly scrolling, it was in the previous or the thread before previous lol

https://www.space.com/nasa-mars-rover-curiosity-wheel-damage-photos

>>14543473
lazy fuck

>>14543475
God damn those wheels are fucked

>>14543477
its a feature https://spectrum.ieee.org/if-necessary-mars-rover-curiosity-could-rip-its-own-wheels-off-to-stay-mobile

I don't understand this reusable wheel meme...

>>14543479
That'll be 4 billion plus tip thank you
t. JPL

>>14543473
>aluminium wheels
Muh gram autism, it's honestly just fucking tedious desu

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-mars-colony-delusion-1848839584
https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/v4qvum/elon_musks_plan_to_send_a_million_colonists_to/
>In a recent interview, Elon Musk repeated his stated goal of wanting to transport one million people to Mars by 2050. The SpaceX founder says the future of humanity is at stake, which, okay, but the timeline he offers is ludicrous, and here’s why.
Gizmodo debunked mars colony, and reddit confirms

go back

>>14543503
i've contributed more to this thread than you (i posted all the AI starships)

>>14543498
It's over, defund NASA, take Starbase apart and give the scrap metal to Africa, it's the least we can do

>>14543505
No that was me.

>>14543511
Wow, that's incredible. AI can literally do concept art better than any human artist. Game over.

MOON HOP WHEN?

>>14543513
Maybe with Dalle 2, this one has been pretty disappointing so far, except for this funny thing

>>14543498
I expect to see this republished in 2050 when there are ONLY 999,999 people on Mars and felon huskrat is finally deboonked and jailed for his lies

>AI making rovers

>>14543527
can you do one with cute anime moon rabbits?

>>14543498
>i'm a astrofaggot and i fucking love reddit
why do you people insist on forcing yourselves on us here at 4chan

>>14543498
gawker/gizmodo/verge/etc

same tabloid shit

>>14543498
>one million people on Mars by 2050
realtalk: a thousand man base would be optimistic for 2050

>>14543531

>>14543544
aim low and you'll always fall short of your dreams

>>14543467
>>14543473
>>14543475
b-but probes could explore more on a smaller budget than stinky manned missions

>dumbfuck ignorant retards on twitter and in news articles calling SpaceX NASA contracts "subsidies" to SpaceX

tiresome

>>14543550
^_^ adorable!

>>14543556
>ignorant retards on twitter
Stop getting mad at AI-generated articles and bots. 90% of the internet content is not human-generated

>>14543471
Do not besmirch the memory and honor of Ham, sir.

>>14543544
A thousand doesn't seem that difficult assuming a small one can get started early enough. The growth rate for a million would take nothing going wrong and everything being ready as soon as first needed.

>2022 will be the year of the falcon heavy!
Still fucking waiting…

>>14543560
No many of the bad takes come from humans who may as well be bots but regrettably are very real people.

>>14543564
yeppp https://twitter.com/JohnnaCrider1/status/1532861692702609411
just read the comments

>ai image posting
>tranime rabbit
/sfg/ is dead, isnt it?

>>14543533
>why do you people insist on forcing yourselves on us here at 4chan
Attention seeking behavior. It's fundamentally against their nature to leave others, or well enough, alone.

The Space force is a completely pointless as a branch of the military. They do not need a boot camp seeing as they have no need for grunts. They do not have rockets they even a maintenance crew for. The over seeing of satellites should have been kept under the air force since they would be the ones actually using them or moved to a non military branch similar to something like the NSA.
They are the biggest joke of a branch, if you hate the SLS for its wasted time and money then you should hate an entire branch of the military that is the embodiment of the SLS project.

So when will Spacex finally be kicked out of RGV

>>14543583
The Space Force makes sense to the exact same extent that creating the Air Force as a distinct entity from the Army does, and anyone who says otherwise either doesn't have a clue or is actively malicious.

>>14543583
Air Force doesn't care about cis-lunar space

Space Force thinks beyond just recon sats and earth imagery, space force thinks for the future and about the broader space domain, read this, educate yourself

7 hours until launch

>browsing page full of retards in order to get angry
Why are you like this?

>>14543554
>implying a manned mission would've cost less
lol, lmao, rofl even

>>14543594
That woman looks fake.

FFWWOOOAAARRRRRSSHHHHH

>>14543599
in the balls

>>14543599
lunar module heavy

>>14543594
Republic of Formosa

>>14543592
This shit is so flowery and over the top just to say china going to space is a military strategic advantage. Like some college essay meeting the wordcount shit.

>>14543594

>>14543611
Its to shake the air force way of thinking about space I think it does that well, makes a case for expanding space force domain awareness beyond the LEO region, and now that's exactly what space force is doing

https://www.airforcemag.com/article/cislunar-space/
https://www.independent.co.uk/space/us-military-nuclear-spacecraft-propulsion-b2083285.html

That's how Space Force will differentiate themselves further from Air Force, just like Marines and Navy are different despite operating in the same medium

>>14543594
arr rook same

>>14543611
You'll never make colonel or general thinking like that.

>>14543619
Could be done in 5 or 6 pages describing the economic significance of all the different orbit points and why control of them is important and why first mover for permanent settlement gains compounding strategic advantages in space.

>>14543623
Then you do it

>>14543627
I ain't workin for free if I bothered I would have to make future scenarios for each area and actually do a bit of math to show how much the US could be fucked if SpaceX collapses and China gets there first. A fun exercise but I'm writing other things atm.

>>14543588
The air force wasn't created until many decades after air planes were used in the military. The space force could maybe become a legitimate branch once they have a whole fleet of SpaceX starships to use and maintain as well as equipment in space that requires man power. Which would require a grunt work force similar to the maintenance crews in the air force, but that seems decades off at least.

>>14543618
So what are you trying to prove here?
That chinks can use photoshop?

>>14543618
Maybe they photographed her separate with better lighting to look cuter, then composited the images? Seems like a publicity thing they'd do.

>>14543467
>>14543473
>>14543475
If only you knew how bad things are

>>14543643
Recently leaked DOD reports indicate that for years that the Chinese have a new form of hyper-sonic image editing technology that far outstrips Photoshop.

>>14543576

>>14543518
Its mini dalle

>>14543641
The Space Force was created after many decades of orbital operations, and accelerated with the perceived need for a more capable orbital presence. The rationale for creating the two branches is not distinct.

Can't wait to see what rovers are like when payloads to Mars are measured in tons and not grams.

>>14543498

>>14543708
mobile pressurized lab with bunkbeds on wheels, with a toilet and enough food for missions that can last weeks.
Doing more science in a few days then all the mars rovers combined did ever.

>>14543641
The USAF has had satellites since 1958.

>>14543725
toilet will be rubber tube connected to the outside. when you are finished you just plug it up

>>14543586
When the interplanetary war starts

>>14543743
When there's someone on another planet to fight.

>>14543518
tried Gwynne Shotwell in a bikini and it was terrifying

>>14543754
Terraformed mars bush wars when?

>>14543498
>his goal of wanting to transport
>his goal of
>his goal
>GOAL

I HATE PEOPLE. GOALS AREN'T DEADLINES. MY GOD. THEY'RE ASPIRATIONAL TARGETS.

>>14543765
>ummm sweaty
>goals aren't aims
>and aims aren't targets
>and targets aren't deadlines
>and deadlines aren't final
>mmmkayyy?

Oh look who's chiming in now, suddenly everyones an expert on the launch industry and satellite business

>>14543498
>>14543765
Does anyone have that fake pic of Boring Company only covering half the planet of Mars with tunnels instead of all of it? That basically describes this situation lmao

>>14543776
>screencapping your own tweet
dude...

>>14543779
thats not how twatter works

>>14543776
>going to twitter
dude…

>>14543782
it ain't that easy in twittery

>>14543776
The US militairy is very interested in starlink.
And intelligence agencies around the world want starlink to be a thing for obvious reasons, just look at how starlink is getting used in ukraine right now.
CCP China is litterly shitting it's pants right now that soon chinese could completly skip the great CCP firewall and find out really how much bullshit the CCP party members are doing.
The impact of internet constellations is revolutionary in so many ways and a lot of people are only now waking up to the realisation how big the impact will be.
CCP chinks are seriously thinking about ways to blow starlink out of the sky, not that they can.

>>14543795
You're retarded

>>14543800
Good day to you to, lee.

>>14543776
I can't believe Anonymous would do this, the faggot.

>>14543776
$1000 ($1500-$500) x 1 million subscribers = 1 billion subsidized cost
1 million subscribers x 12 month x $110 = 1.32 billion
In 1 year, $320 million net positive cash was made. Lets say $320M is used to maintain the network.
But you need Sat launches as well. So that's 2000 sats @ 250K a pop = $500 Million
2000 sats / 50 sats launch = 40 launches
40 launches x $30M a launch = $1.2 billion
Launch cost + sat hardware = $1.7 B
2nd year of subscription = $1.320B-(.320 maintenance) - $1.7B = $0.7B net loss
3rd year of subscription = $1B - $0.7B = $300M profit
4th year of subscription = +$1B, with $1.3B profit
5th year of subscription = +$1B, with $2.3B profit

Ofcourse the Starlink isn't a static number, but if it were, SpaceX would be profitable, not very profitable, just "few billions" in profit. With more launching coming and growing customer base, potentially outscaling the launch cost, eventually the ROI will come down closer/closer until net positive cash flow outpaces net investment. Starship will only speed up that process.

Protip: Most people are retards and you can just ignore them and their opinions posted on social media. I've even ignored most of the people that have posted in this thread.

>>14543832
I noticed that for some time now we have a low quality shitposter here on /sfg/ that almost always uses "retard" in every post.
i love it how transparent you are.

>>14543832
I like to read what retarda post from time to time to see what the current political climate/opinion is
But I think it might change substantially whwn starship starts launching frequently
And if tesla actually gets fsd working soonish
There will be retards still whining sure, but these are quite large accomplishments so people might start ignoring elons inflammattory side again

>>14543832
>>14543850
>>14543800
samefag.

>>14543807
What are these?

>>14543776
they wont pay for themselves

>>14543851
Thanks for the free (you)

>>14543855
Clickfarm.
Want to push your shitty product on social media?
Use a clickfarm.
Want to create a new influencer overnight who shits out your propaganda?
use a clickfarm.
It's how most CCP influencers get a blue checkmark on twitter too.

>>14543865
I always wondered why they cant just run some android emulator on computers

>>14543869
>just run some android emulator on computers
You can't. They know what real traffic looks like much better than you do. You'll get caught very quickly.

>everyone who says retard in /sfg/ is the same person
Damn, how'd he know?

>>14543869
It's unironically sometimes cheaper to just get a warehouse in china, put it full of these smartphones stations and hire chinks to click on all the smartphones then hire capable coders who can do what your saying.
Chinese wages are that low, also it looks more "natural" this way.
Supposedly there are thousands of these kind of clickfarms in china&india.

>>14543850
>it might change substantially whwn starship starts launching frequently
I hope, right now nobody fucking knows about the Artemis program, it's like some obscure and very niche knowledge that normies haven't come across. Still, many will just change the goalposts though, with spacex's goals going from "delusional and impossible" to "already been done before", never changes lmao

>>14543876
Thanks for verifying i'm right.

>>14543889
No problem, retard.

>>14543727
Yes but satellites aren't people, for the same reason you don't operate NASA as a military branch just because they operate satellites you don't need a space force. You don't create an entire branch of the military just to have people sit around at desks. There needs to be an actual reason behind the need for a military structure, which given the current capabilities they make more sense as a sub branch rather than a whole branch to themselves

>>14543889
There is only me and you here, I made the thread and samefag every post from different IPs and then there is you whining about retards

>>14543641
The space force was made after many decades of use of satellites by the air force

>>14543904
The USSF is a sub branch of the USAF just as the USMC is a sub branch of the USN.

>>14543904
NASA isn't operated as a military branch because its purpose is not to conduct warfare in space.

>>14543544
a thousand people is literally 2-3 crewed transfer windows
Starship production is already fast right now, and they're only getting faster at it, while also building more fucking factories

>>14543926
it will take years to solve the tile tps issues, patience little muskrat

>>14543776
s/nasa/spacex/

commercialization of the css when?

Future gonna be lit fr fr

>>14544004
lmao

>>14543765
Thanks Teddie

Why does china suck at propaganda so much? They don't even have a simple youtube stream prepared for their space station mission today.

>>14544029
while they have really improved on the succes rate the CCP still dont want to broadcast to the world when they blow up rockets by accident.

>>14544029
youtube is banned

>>14544029
I assume that the propaganda is carefully edited together after the event itself and distributed within the country exclusively

The WRIGGLERS are revving high as I type this

>>14544058
scuse me WHAT

>>14543514
moon rabbit wife

>>14544065
everyone you know and then you

>>14542607
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Orion,
is in fact, SLS/Orion, or as I've recently taken to calling it, SLS plus Orion.
Orion is not a launch vehicle unto itself, but rather another multibillion dollar component of a partially functioning pork system made useless by the SLS subcontractors, shitty designs, and Alabama river rocks comprising a gigantic scam as defined by the GAO.

Many taxpayers fund a small part of the SLS scam every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of SLS which is widely mocked today is often called "Orion", and many of its victims are not aware that it is basically the SLS scam, developed by the SLS lobbyists.

There really is an Orion, and these people are seeing it blow up, but it is just a
part of the scam they fund. Orion is the capsule: the payload in the system
that allocates the government's resources to other districts that need pork.
The capsule is an essential part of a launch system, but useless by itself;
it can only incinerate astronauts in the context of a complete launch system. Orion is normally used in combination with the SLS boondoggle: the whole scam is basically SLS with Orion added, or SLS/Orion. All the so-called "Orion"
debris fields are really distributions of SLS/Orion.

>>14542607
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Orion, is in fact, SLS/Orion, or as I've recently taken to calling it, SLS plus Orion. Orion is not a launch vehicle unto itself, but rather another multibillion dollar component of a partially functioning pork system made useless by the SLS subcontractors, shitty designs, and Alabama river rocks comprising a gigantic scam as defined by the GAO.

Many taxpayers fund a small part of the SLS scam every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of SLS which is widely mocked today is often called "Orion", and many of its victims are not aware that it is basically the SLS scam, developed by the SLS lobbyists.

There really is an Orion, and these people are seeing it blow up, but it is just a part of the scam they fund. Orion is the capsule: the payload in the system that allocates the government's resources to other districts that need pork. The capsule is an essential part of a launch system, but useless by itself; it can only incinerate astronauts in the context of a complete launch system. Orion is normally used in combination with the SLS boondoggle: the whole scam is basically SLS with Orion added, or SLS/Orion. All the so-called "Orion" debris fields are really distributions of SLS/Orion.

>>14544029
Why does NASA not have a bilibili stream for every ISS mission?

>>14544083
is this some new meme, Im getting old

>>14544087
https://itsfoss.com/gnu-linux-copypasta/

>>14544087
>new
the only thing new here is you newfag

>>14544029
China will not livestream when the potential for failure is greater than zero.

>>14543519
lmao at believing even one person will have been on mars by 2050

>>14544092
projectus maximus.

>>14543848
That’s where you’re wrong retard
I’m the one who just calls people retarded - usually because they are and I can’t be bothered to put in the effort to prove someone wrong when they have such an elementary understanding of the topic that I’d have to re-explain the basis of the premise to them.
That anon is right tho care less about twitter. Retard

>>14544107
I've already been there, it sucks

samefag.

>>14543472
Did they copyright pad RUDs?

>>14544122
Mad.

Reminder, 4 Falcon Heavy launch in the next 6 months

>>14544128
You only keep confirming my theory is right.

>>14544001
youranonnews is 420chan owner kirt.

>>14544149
meds

>>14544137
Reply to all the posts you think are the same anon and I’ll prove you’re not.

>>14544161
(you)

They should change the name Boca Chica to Bow Chica Wow Wow ;)

>>14543736
>wasting precious fertilizer

>>14544196
finally a based post

>>14544198
I'm not eating your shit muffins, you fucking bitch

>>14542775

>>14544258
holy shit

God I hate crows, the other day I was walking with with my red toolbox in hand ready to fix some shit in my shed and they suddenly decided it was too much so they started cawing like a rape victim and dive bombing me. Now I keep a shotgun handy in case some faggot wants to start shit but I'm within city limits so I refrained from shooting their ass and sending them back to the deepest pits of hell. This has nothing to do with spaceflight, I just really hate crows.

>>14544288
Based

I think this one is cool as hell and basically needed to explore the solar system.

hour and a half till launch

stream
https://www.youtube.com/cnspace/live

>>14544288
>considering shooting at a government asset
death wish

>>14544296
Give me a weapon to surpass Metal Gear

>>14544327

Starlink in France once again re-approved

https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/02/anti_satellite_weapons/

I watched the Netflix I4 special but for some reason they didn't include Haley demo'ing the dragon toilet..?

https://youtu.be/3zQjoM_cBko

T-1 hour

LIVE

>>14544337
Toilet isnt interesting for MSM

>>14544330
>A man with a gun
Legit desu

>spaceplanes
why did boing make starliner and x-37b instead of just x-37c for both programs?

>>14544331
BAN EET AGAIN

>>14544339
Based

Raw comms stream: https://youtu.be/nDe2-fXQaMg

>>14544347
>>14544339
>ch*na
no one cares

>>14544342
That would save money

Always remember kiddos: Steel is exceptional in its possession of an endurance limit.

>china decides to add a gateway-like propulsion module to their space station and turn it into a lunar cycler instead

>>14544353
Based and Buzz Aldrin cyclerpilled

why is he talking to himself?

>>14544353
Would you need a heavy lift vehicle to intercept the lunar cycling station from earth's surface?

Interesting

>inspiration 4 splashes down
>Isaacman's wife breaks down muttering "I never want to do this again."

Well guess what's next? Lmao

>>14544363

>>14544339
This unfolding VAB thing is pretty cool, seems like a convenient mix between NASA's giant crawler autism and SpaceX "I only do it RAW" autism

>>14544363

>>14544339
love it they are talking about moving the studio to the launch site.

>>14544376

You know, I think maybe I'd be willing to literally pay moderators to monitor these threads. Even if this is the only place they moderate, something tells me it'd go a long way to cleaning up the rest of this board.

Even if your reply to this post were literally, "Based," it'd still be pointless off-topic chatter. Just don't.

>>14544376
The size it appears to be is not based on its current distance from us, but the distance it was to our position when the light was emitted.

>>14544390
oh look, pointless off-topic chatter

>>14544390
"Based,"

>>14544369
I can only hope that when one of the Polaris missions results in loss of crew due to some envelope-pushing procedure or technology they're testing, Isaacman has enough time to give a kino "don't let this hinder spaceflight, don't let us die in vain" speech

>>14544339
T-15 min

>>14544400
Am I going crazy or did they just not fucking bother putting a countdown on the stream overlay?

>>14544390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJy0-nIiftc

>>14544405
They had one about an hour ago and it got removed. Now they are just updating to say 10 min to lift off. Maybe they need their internal checks and they don't want to reveal any delays

T-5 minutes

>>14544390
Cringe. We already have jannies, they cleaned up the 'everyone who says retard is the same person' posts earlier but as this happened after the fact it changed nothing. 4chanX users will see every post regardless of how fast they are at deleting shit and the end result is the same.

You should get over the fact that /sfg/ sucks because there is little currently happening in in spaceflight and most people here, including myself, aren't intelligent or knowledge enough to contribute anything beyond topical shit like when Starship will launch and the constant stream of low effort shitposts scares the autists away from effort posting.

enough orbiting laboratories, give space stations real functions, like orbital shipyards

>>14544415
or fuel depots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icHAjS6ZaDc
Clear live

>>14544417
chinese shelby is going to throw you into a re-education camp

>>14544418
Based

>>14544415
>>14544417
Make orbital laboratories required to have commercial use for shipyards and fuel depots. The science can be done in one section and the day-to-day work can be done on another.
Hopefully the blue-collars bully the nerds.

>>14544415
>>14544417
As soon as I have a home workshop I'm going to start putting together some demo systems to raise interest for an atmospheric scoop test satellite that fits in a 12u cubesat form factor or something like that.

china is still in 1980s spaceflight

>>14544424
It's basically a copy of soviet era spaceflight

>>14544424
just werks

It's an UGLY language, a BUG language!

RIP villagers

>chinese x-37c on a chinese falcon 9

THIS SHIT iS SCARY

>>14544425
except using extra spicy hypergolics

A booster just flew over my village

>>14544428
Yes, German too.

This one fucking guy has a flawless American accent but still speaks like a bad translation, I'm cackling

>>14544432
NASASpaceFlight

>>14544438
lol
Compared to Mandarin, German is soothing.

>>14544428
>>14544438
>>14544443
filtered

>>14544425
It's a franchised McSoyuz riding on top of an Ariane 4 with Chinese characteristics.

>>14544288
They hate you too, anon

who is this posh speaking bugwoman?

>>14544444
I want to disagree, but the digits have spoken.
Still sounds weird to me, though.

>>14544353

stop posting ai cringe

How did Jeff's penis do today?

>>14544296
If you like AI fusion reactors you'll love this paper:
"Magnetic control of tokamak plasmas through deep reinforcement learning"
Also why are nature articles getting blocked by the spam filter on /sci/

>>14544472
mods are too lazy to fix it, its been a problem forever

Does anyone else want space stations that look like ramshackle dogshit? Like clusters of emptied propellant tanks welded together with old command capsules used as storage spaces or viewports, and layers of scrap metal heaped on to block micrometeorites, radiation, and provide handholds

>>14544479
Bro that's literally what the ISS is except for the welding part

>>14544479
Why not? Save/reuse every bit of mass you can. Hoarding in Space.

>>14544461
An embarrassing amount of wobble and hover time on landing, as usual

>>14544481
reminder that nasa has never tried welding in space

>>14544485
That's the planned landing trajectory muskrat

>>14543776
>tens of billions in accumulated debt each year
I am deeply confused by this retard's ability to math

>>14544481
>noooo ISS is muh space station and i fukkin love soience!!!

>>14544479

>>14544488
Yeah you cant really weld inside zero-G plane or underwater basins... would be too obvious.

>Obnoxious AI posting returns
might as well jerk off to porn right now

>>14544424
you aren't insulting them by saying they're closer to 1970s spaceflight than anyone else.
>those dumb chinks are so backwards, they probably don't even have Linda Ham and diversity

>>14544505

might actually make a /sfg/ discord
schizo is getting old

Why does this thread periodically get spammed by some unfunny AI text/image generation thing? It’s happened enough to be a pattern now

>>14544513
Report function exists. Spam cannot be tolerated.

>>14544519
its the collagefag
he loves it since its an automatic collage

>>14544519
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_media

>>14544518
we already have a /sfg/ discord
https://discord.gg/pbeTjs6f8m

>>14544519
dalle-mini has been making the rounds on the whole of 4chan the past day or two

do not expect AI generated content to slow down in the coming years

>>14544518
goodbye and good riddance, you were never welcome or wanted here on 4chan to begin with. how many years did it take you before you caught the drift and decided to do the right thing and leave forever?

>>14544519

>>14544523
I'm not the collage fag tho

ai auto generated media is not relevenat
stop fucking posting it

relevenat

>>14544527
Npc-tier response

>>14544533
i was using 4channel before you were born. kid

>A U.S. Navy fighter jet crashed Friday afternoon in the Mojave Desert, killing the pilot, military officials say.

>The F/A-18E Super Hornet involved in the crash was based out of Naval Air Station Lemoore. It crashed around 2:30 p.m. near Trona, in San Bernardino County.

Boeing bros I am really not feeling so good

>>14544258
THE COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN

>>14544568
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>>14544505
spaceflight??

>>14544258
>ほう、向かってくるのか?

https://www.inews.mn/a/27244

SpaceX in talks to build Starlink stations in Mongolia

>>14544581
UH OH

>>14544581
They are also planning to build stations over Niger. So what?

>>14543467
>>14543473
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>>14543479
It's 8 years over it's expected operational lifespan, not surprising it's coming apart.

How do you play KSP RO/RSS late game? The (((rocket equation))) prevents me from doing anything fun, the NTP tech tree is practically worthless, and I downloaded a mod to speed up ion thruster burns but it doesn't work.

>>14544594
ISRU propellant production

>>14544594
Orbital refueling, send a fuckload of fuel / supplies to LEO and then send it all to your target body before launching the crew.
I had such a huge station in Martian orbit it allowed a single crew to land on all the moons and Mars.

>>14544594
>The (((rocket equation)))
curse who ever invented this

What's the point of Lunar Gateway? If all they wanted was a fuel depot, they could have just asked Musk to park a Starship there. Worst part of it is that we don't even know how to mine the Moon yet to replenish the depot, and NASA didn't even plan to transport the necessary machinery for the task. If NASA was in charge of mining, it will probably take ~25 years to just get started. It's so fucking depressing to even think.

>>14544594
the only thing playing it past the moon landings is good for is giving your cpu a workout

>>14544602
The good news is that I found the grave of the motherfucker, the bad news is that I would have to travel all the way to Russia in order to shit on it.

>>14544604
1) Pork
2) Political Symbolism
3) No real plan

>>14544604
they needed a permanent station to study the asteroid they were going to bring into lunar orbit

>>14544581
Mongolia with internet may be too powerful

>>14544604
If NASA was more exploratory goal oriented, they would have SpaceX do everything on the cheap. But NASA has other directives, like fostering a commercial industry, which means giving the rope to other companies so they can hangon as Starship blasts off into space.

>>14544623
I just hate the fact that they decided to bring back their traditional alphabet instead of just continuing using cyrillic. That shit is almost impossible to render correctly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_script

>>14544630

>>14544620
fucking depressing

>>14544621
Was this really ever going to be a thing? I mean Gateway has a real fucked up orbit...

>>14544625
>If NASA was more exploratory goal oriented
I feel like this is what is so lacking. I can only hope that some of these startup companies can make space profitable so I can forget that NASA exists.

>>14544630
It sure does look cool, clash with the digital age aside

>>14544630
Let them do what they want, there’s what, 2 million of them?

>>14544630
Its cool and way to revive their culture which has been near death bed due to soviet cultural genocide

>>14544570
reported. enjoy your vacation

>>14544665
>announcing your reports
reported

/sfg/ is [within] bed.

>>14544604
>What's the point of Lunar Gateway?
it's a space station with a big engine on it. that's the point.

>>14544702
good night anon, gonna dream about little starships

I'm going to kill the moon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs2QmUKivl8

>>14544743
I'm going to make sweet love to the moon

>>14544743
Dont even fucking joke about that shit

>>14544754
You can't stop me

>>14544764
No but the 15 km/s kms of delta-v required to reach the Moon will. Have fun being stuck on the ground, loser.

That's what I thought, you rocketless piece of shit.

>>14544743
I'm going to get the moon pregnant with myself

>>14544745
What a clickbait way of framing this. NASA is going to purchase suits for missions unless I grossly misunderstood their contract

>>14544766
I've bought a trampoline and am going to put it on top of my existing trampoline, which will multiply its power. I figure I only need three or four more before I can reach the edge of space. A few more than that and I can break free from Earth's gravity well and be on my way to the Moon.

Reminder, Starship 24 on suborbital pad for possible static fire test in coming days

>>14544630
Not impossible, it's just not a big enough market to bother dedicating the resources to making it correct. The Unicode folks have screwed things up but that's correctable if they actually give a shit. Until the recent push by the government for it to be more widely used, most saw it as something of interest mostly to cultural historians, which placed it low on the priority list. If usage becomes widespread on Mongolia, support will get better.

Wtf

>>14544851
Not what you want to hear

>>14544854
So thats a few bil down the drain, what about axiom?

>>14544851
>>14544854
At least there's Axiom.

>>14544861
At least they don’t get any money without any milestones beyond the initial development investment which realistically can’t be more than a few hundred million. Can’t wait to see the contract

I miss Big Jim.

>>14543583
You expose your partisan politics with your image. Seperating Space Force increases their funding drastically and saves them from the 8 months here. 8 months there. Working culture of the Air Force. It also makes them able to work more smoothly interacting without bias between the other branches. That shouldn’t be a thing but it is.
Its mostly money.

Your Trump hate is dumb anyway as it would have been implemented by the Dems anyway you only fell for Trumps rhetoric that he was intrinsically involved. He wasn’t he just signed what hit his table just as Clinton would have. Its been a long time coming.

The whole Guardians thing is gay tho.

>>14544884
Real Gs know that space force as an idea and name predates trump by decades. I think the first call for it as a seperate branch were during nixon’s presidency, I’d have to check the year again.
>TFW no one has even heard of Colin S Gray

>>14543583
Air Force acquisition was a problem. You can't change legacy organization. So Space Force was created from scratch to emulate more of the commercial acquisition strategy.

>why didn't they change air force acquisition
You can't change old organizational mentality due to extreme momentum they carry, their heritage/bloat. You need to start a new and fresh and discard all the baggage.

>>14544630
Mongolia was always peculiar to me because nothing ever seems to happen in there. Maybe I just don't/didn't watch news enough, but I don't recall ever hearing Mongolia be talked about anywhere in the context of resent (at that time) event. Does anyone else feel this way?

>>14544884
So what will space force actually concretely do in a nutshell? I dont want to read some 20 page pdf

>>14544921
My mother went there once
It’s basically entirely empty with a single modest city. Nice people. Fair bit of poverty and about two centuries of being a bit of a tension point for the Russians and Chinese to flex over. I’ve heard the Chinese are basically just crossing the border and stealing resources

>>14544921
Small population, just 3.2 million in the middle of nowhere

>>14544921
they're the Spain of Asia

>>14544923
radars and desk jockeys but good instead of bad because they aren't being held back by the fighter jocks

>>14544944
siesta and hot girls?

>>14544950
nothing fucking happening

>>14544921
They fell under Soviet sphere after the Russians saved them from Chinese annexation. However the Soviets did a purge of Buddhists and destroyed nearly all the Buddhists monasteries and historical customs. After the soviets fell, Mongolia became more of a free nation. They don't trust the Chinese for certain because of historical animosity and ties with Tibetan Buddhists, but its an economic necessity. So nothing much has happened there other than light economic exchanges. Mongols still have somewhat friendly/neutral relations with Russia due to Soviet past/heritage.

>>14544921
90% of all foreign news you get is about Israel, so it is no surprise that you have heard a lot less about other regions.

>>14544958
ok, schizo

>>14544745
Making spacesuits is hard

rde

>>14544745
>too old
didn't they go to le moon in those?

>>14544993
the future of propulsion. They can also be used on planes

>>14544973
whos the guy in the suit?

>>14543937
was the monkey okay?

>>14544029
CCP are out of touch, and out of time.

>>14544745
Wish there was more information regarding Axiom's and SpaceX's EVA spacesuits. I can't find anything about either. Can't wait for Polaris Dawn to find out more.

>>14545036
axiom has nothing and will deliver nothing. collins has less than nothing. spacex has a goofy ass repurposed IVA suit, and that's the best you're gonna get

>>14543544
Has nobody in this thread played with rimworld? People are vastly overestimating human mental resilience under prolonged stress in a hostile environment

>>14545041
I thought Axiom had already begun constructing AxH1, but I haven't really been following closely. I have no clue about Collins, honestly. I agree with you on SpaceX, and judging by the press release pictures for Polaris Dawn. The suit looks like an IVA suit with an umbilical, probably no good for serious EVAs. I wonder if SpaceX will build proper EVA suits for Moon and Mars.

>>14545047
>and Mars
lol

>>14545049
let me dream, please

>>14545047
That anon is just making shit up. Axiom signed a contract with Thales Alenia to build two modules and they're showing progress.
https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/space/news/step-closer-axiom-commercial-space-station

>>14545044
Lol, muh video games

>>14545069
Sounds great, do you know what the final orbit of Axiom station will be? Will it occupy ISS's current orbit?

>>14545074
Lol, muh mars colony

>>14544590
My confusion is coming from the short range causing this much damage.

>>14545077
I don't think it has been revealed yet, but it would make sense to keep it in the same orbit as ISS, or a bit higher.

>>14543467
>>14543473
>>14543475

Wow. Total failure. The damage is very exponential at this point. Mission over. RIP

>>14545099
Yea, I couldn't find anything on it the last time I checked.

New Mars Guy out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbxgZzgmaxM

>>14543467
It's nearly ten years old, those wheels did a fine job

>>14545164
This guy came out of nowhere and instantly became an S tier spacetuber. Does anyone know if he is working at JPL or is he an outside observer?

>>14545171
"Mars Guy is Arizona State University associate research professor Dr. Steve Ruff, a Mars geologist with decades of experience exploring the red planet. This channel follows the exploration of Jezero crater by the Perseverance rover and Ingenuity helicopter, presenting science, engineering, and the search for life on Mars using a novel in-person experience.

This project was initiated in part with collaboration from the NASA Infiniscope project.
"

Given the recent news about spacesuits. What is the main thing holding back mechanical counterpressure right now? We have been experimenting with the technology since the 1940s. Is it simply thermal issues?

>>14545170
>those wheels did a fine job despite only traveling 28 km
You don't know what you're talking about, even by JPL standards this is premature and this shouldn't have happened.

>the wear on the wheels kept increasing at a higher rate than JPL had planned for, and by early 2017 (after about 16km of driving), the rover had experienced the first breaks in the much thicker structural elements that hold its wheels together, called grousers.
>Their latest predictions, based on how much more driving the rover is likely to do and incorporating driving strategies that have substantially reduced wheel wear, suggest that 14 broken grousers won’t happen until somewhere around 2034.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/if-necessary-mars-rover-curiosity-could-rip-its-own-wheels-off-to-stay-mobile

>>14545175
Such a great informative channel. There is something in his videos for everyone. I often send these videos to my grandpa, who works as a mechanic and never went to college, because he loves them so much.

He could easily pull a Marcus House/What about it, and stretch these videos to 15+ minutes with 20s long transitions, merch plugs, vpn sponsorships. He chooses not to because he knows it makes the video better, and he does it because it is what he loves. Truly commendable.

I would donate $1000 dollars to his non existent patreon page before I would give a single cent to Estronaut, Hullo, NSF, House, or What about it, who shill there patreon pages incessently.

>>14545180
iirc, it's the joints

>>14545186
They did more than what they were supposed to do so yes, compared to previous rovers they're under more stress and had tighter mass constraints. Them wearing down slightly quicker than anticipated means the anticipations were a bit optimistic

>https://www.ursamajor.com/media/press-release/ursa-major-announces-heavy-launch-rocket-engine-arroway

Interesting. So this company is making a fuel rich staged combustion methane engine. So now we have full flow, fuel rich, and ox rich methane engines in development.

>>14545194
From the wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_counterpressure_suit


>A number of problems also turned up, primarily related to the problem of keeping the suit in strong mechanical contact at every point on the body. Concavities or small folds in the fabric could lead to fluid pooling in the gaps; the groin area proved extremely difficult to tailor successfully. To correct this, small pads of polyurethane foam were inserted into concavities and were successful in most problem areas. The suits had to be tailored to each individual, although the same was true of all space suits of the era. The largest difficulty was donning and removing the suit. In order to effectively provide the minimum pressure of 0.3 bars (4.4 psi) necessary for human physiology, the suit had to be extremely tight-fitting, making donning and doffing a highly strenuous task.

with modern technology, could we weave into the suit some of those muscles that contract with electricity. the idea being that you could apply a current to the fabric and it would expand, allowing the wearer to egress or ingress without issue, once the current was removed the suit would contract and become skin tight.

>>14545180
it's the most optimal solution, which means less opportunity for pork and embezzlement. Established EVA suits are manufactured by oldpsace conservatives who can't entertain the idea of any non-iterative improvements. SpaceX might be able to do it but they don't have anyone with the right kind of autism, everyone there is a roggetsperg and nobody cares about clothes (have you seen the wrinkled tshirts elon wears for non-mainstream interviews?). New companies probably have a better chance than SpaceX at making something competent at least, but MCP is too radical for anyone else.

>>14543475
soon Curiosity can become a weather station. Shame that it happened just when it entered this cool landscape.

>>14544993
Exactly how rich do I have to be to make this cool shit like this? Not full scale, but smol thruster like this one

>>14545000
>anon can't even tell the EMU from A7L
The absolute state

>>14545195
>They did more than what they were supposed to do so yes
The wheels did less than what they're supposed to do, which is to outlive the rest of the rover as to not jeopardize the mission.
>tighter mass constraints
You cannot blame a bad engineering decision on the mass constraints. Wheels are so high up on the list of shit that should work flawlessly it should have came before the science payload, not that they couldn't have found like 200g elsewhere on the 900 kg rover.

>>14545242
>not jeopardize the mission
the mission was supposed to last two years

>>14544921
Gonna shill the Top Gear Mongolia special, which is kino compared to what they do now.

>>14544745
Axiom's space suit is literally the xEMU

>>14545269
it's still kino, just not on the level that it used to be when it was top gear.
Fuck the BBC for destroying top gear.

Starbase update from the big man himself.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1533408313894912001

>>14545280
Starlink dispenser

>>14545308
Raptor 2 installed on Booster 7

>>14545311
Starfactory

>>14545308
Am I the only one who thinks that the V2's look like razor blades?

>>14545313
Starship factory in Florida

>>14545316
Kek I was thinking RAM chips

>>14545280
So this is what that big meeting was about

>>14545266
Two years was a minimum to help justify the 2.5 billion spent on the rover. In reality everyone with the exception of old space sycophant boomers expect the wheels not to fall apart after traveling only 28 km.

>>14545308
That's a lot of empty space.

>>14543618
meds, take them

>>14545228
you would have to spend a few days worth of salary to get all the parts. If you make a functioning rotating detonation engine expect to get much more money in return though

>>14545313
>>14545317
proonter's gonna become a suer
pretty neat though

>>14545044
there's a difference between carefully selected and vetted volunteer colonists and random unhinged fucks dropping from an escape pod in a video game

>>14545280
That starbase factory looks really good

>>14545044
> implying space madness is a bad thing

>namefag
I see you have confused this place for Reddit but no one here cares who you are.

>>14545401
You clearly care

>>14545330
The purpose of the mission was to find out wether Mars once had conditions compatible with life on its surface and it did that. All the science obtained since then is a nice plus but nothing too important. It is now on its 4th extended mission and its wheels are far from being the only parts that show signs of fatigue or failure. 28km is a very long drive for a martian rover.

>>14545025
>Vande Hei
I thought that's Senator Administrator Ballast

I hate how all martian missions are focused on life. They should just be looking at the geology of the planet

>BEEP! "Post that BE-4 pic!"
>hmm wut... oh yeah... it's that day...

>>14544258
the KKK is now into spaceships?

>>14545280
L2 SAID LAYOFFS

>>14545429
>28km is a very long drive for a martian rover.
The record is 45 km and the wheels were fine by the end of it. It's almost like Curiosity was deliberately designed to fail and help JPL get funding for a new toy. Oh no, that's just a conspiracy theory, right? Just like why JPL has never designed any solar panels with dust mitigation despite that the long periods of reduced power have greatly impacted science operations.

>>14545490
>The record is 45 km
Yes, and Curiosity comes in the second place behind that, mostly because it had to drive over rougher terrain than just a flat sand-covered desert with no rocks in sight
>schizo rambling
Oh ok then, that explains your retardation

>>14545280
Why would anybody ever want to buy this place

Today I will remind them

>>14545508
I sincerely hope you're getting paid for this because it would be quite pathetic to do all that shilling for free.
>mostly because it had to drive over rougher terrain than just a flat sand-covered desert with no rocks in sight
Or it could just be a terrible design which has since been updated. No, it must be that they're infallible, I didn't understand until some faggot pointed it out.

>>14545536
Some people here shill for rovers and JPL. I don’t know why

>>14545536
Is aluminium the best material for that task, or was it chosen because of autistic mass-cutting?

>>14545536
Yes, they were so very terrible that to fix them they had to do tiny tweaks most people wouldn't notice, you sure showed me just how flawed these were, probably purposefully so by the illuminati jews at JPL

>14545544
>A redesigned wheel is a tiny tweak
Okay, no more (you)s for you.

>>14545538
Pointing out to twitter-tier retards overreacting over dumb shit that this is what they are is not shilling, you're allowed to have nuanced opinions about complex topics and not sperg out over it

>>14545551
>>14545544

>>14545550
It's less of a redesign than changing your car's tires. But if they make them suck on purpose shouldn't you instead be arguing that the design is essentially the same to keep the scam going or something?

>>14545536
I hope they also made Perseverance wheels thicker. There are some interesting targets near Jezero which Perseverance could visit after the sample mission is over

would it not be simpler to design some small electronic part to fail after 15 years

>>14545044
you're right, one day a mars colonist might have to eat without a table, and all hell will break loose

>>14545568
Yes but the failures must relate to the weather or wear and tear for the sake of their reputation and PR. The whole wheel thing is really too obvious to use again, they're going to have to get creative in order to kill Perseverance.

>>14543467
No one has ever been to mars. We have never sent a satellite past low earth orbit. Ever. No one has ever been on the moon. Ever.

>>14545203
Who do they think is going to buy this engine? NG after RD181 doesn't make sense because they need to find a whole new rocket.

>>14545069
Got damn are Euros so far behind that they are just now getting to friction stir wilding?

>Jezero’s dust lifting has been more intense than the team would have wanted: Sand carried in whirlwinds damaged MEDA’s two wind sensors. The team suspects the sand grains harmed the thin wiring on the wind sensors, which stick out from Perseverance’s mast.
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasas-perseverance-studies-the-wild-winds-of-jezero-crater

It's ogre. How could they have ever known Mars has grains of sand?

>>14545614
Imagine a world free of mass autism.

>>14545550
Some anons just get off on being negative 24/7 while never doing anything in their own lives. You just can't change it unfortunately.

FH booster spotted

>>14545635
Some say it's the last booster for Psyche.

>>14545635
BBC

>>14545614
>“Perseverance is nuclear-powered, but if we had solar panels instead, we probably wouldn’t have to worry about dust buildup,” Newman said. “There’s generally just more dust lifting in Jezero Crater, though average wind speeds are lower there and peak wind speeds and whirlwind activity are comparable to Elysium Planitia.”

>>14545614
>The team suspects the sand grains harmed the thin wiring on the wind sensors, which stick out from Perseverance’s mast
but /sfg/ told me Martian dust storms were harmless?

>>14544344
>Run

>>14545614
Looks very fragile. But the sensor was only meant to work for $SMALL_AMOUNT_OF_TIME, and did its job for more than expected, so it's fine. Good work, NASA!

musk is finished

>>14545715
Well then, wipe it off your forehead and get back to work.

>>14545685
>everything is either complete and utter garbage only worth laughing at or absolutely amazing technology that deserves the highest amount of praise
grow up

>>14545313
I really hate Elon's smooth low-poly minimalism

>>14545518
this guy is a proper, certified, aerospace-grade schizo
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Rhawn-Joseph

God bless him

>>14545782
It's like a PS1 game on 4K resolution

For me, it's the gratuitous amount of Cybertrucks in the factory renders

>>14545830
not a fan
it's not a complete eyesore but still pretty cringe

>>14544923
Everything the United States does that involves the military and space.

>>14545203
>So this company is making a fuel rich staged combustion methane engine.

With no customers, it will end up like the AR1.

>>14545885
Basically. They're even taking the "RD-180 killer" angle, which is odder here since it's by no means plug and play.
Their customers for their smaller engines include Stratolaunch, Phantom, and maybe a couple other even less reputable startups. They had ABL at one point but then lost them. They're fucked.

I'm enlisting in the Space Force, am I retarded?

Seems like a good opportunity for a mid-20s degreeless borderline NEET

>>14545920
eh, there's much worse things to be doing
like being a tranny

>>14543583
Space Force is a good idea, they just fucked up the name and titles for members. They should be United States Space Command, for one. And spacemen/women, not fucking "Guardians"

>>14545782
It's because Elon was big into gaming in the 90's and early 2000's. No joke. His favorite games are Deus Ex and chrono trigger and he talks about it a lot.

>yfw a few video games inspired one incredibly disciplined autist to conquer the stars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS1ksHh3P88

>sharp regolith on Moon pain in the ass
>sharp sand grains in the winds of Mars bigger pain in the ass

great

Lets just focus on Venus
>sulfuric fucking acid clouds/rain

asfjkdshjkgcddf

>>14545981
>Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids, in fact it's cold as hell
>And there's no one there to raise them, if you did

>>14545999
based faggot elton john debunks mars before musk ever born

Would it be sensible to create an orbital station around Mars to help newer generations grow up in a normal 1G environment and letting them go down to Mars every now and then, as long as they spend more time in 1G rather than 0.3G
Use the stations as a depot too, so that import and export materials can use it as a checkpoint