/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14494466
FTS Archive
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=sharing

>>14494466
indeed

>>14494466
How is the Moon looking from where you live?
This is from the last full moon, but it's better quality

Where is Part 2 of Elon interview?

>>14494486

>>14494475
Occupy Mars.

Friendly reminder that Artemis is going nuclear.

>>14494544
That'll be a 20 year contract and $50 billion with interest.

>>14494544
>2 crew to Lunar surface
Why? Even Constellation aimed for a minimum 4 per mission, with Orion being hyped up as being capable of being able to linger in lunar orbit for extended durations with no crew aboard

I grow ever more concerned about elon getting suicided. Whatever he currently spends on security, it isn't enough.

>>14494561
>I grow ever more concerned about elon getting suicided
he already is, the current Elon is a double who is in bed with the Biden Administration and actively uses the Starship program to funnel money, real elon has been dead for 7 years

>>14494556
Especially with fucking Starship HLS its silly, is the XEMU shortage really that bad, its embarrassing, we should be seeing 3 and 4 crew on the moon as standard

Why is Elon Musk messing around making offers to buy twitter for tens of billions of dollars, when he could use that money to fund the development of mars colony technology.

>He's just building the rockets anon, he's going to leave the colony building for somebody else
He says he wants Mars colonies but isn't investing in them. Does this really pass your sniff test?

>>14494573
brainrot

>>14494573
banning psychotic flerfers and urfers from Twitter improves Starship's odds of successfully colonizing Mars

>>14493422
Man, you weren't kidding when you called this a fanfiction. This actually reads exactly like shitty fanfiction. It's got plot contrivances, nonsensical assumptions of how things would work, lack of understanding of how certain things work, stiff and awkward dialogue, and overhyped antagonists because they didn't know how to build a compelling story around the protagonist they chose. This shit is embarrassing.

>>14494544
I don't think the definition of sustained presence should be only 1 month out of a year.

>>14494573
because he rightfully identified the biggest obstacle to humanity to be the insidious action of those who control what the masses think. spacex can have 1,000 rockets ready to go but it will still fail if wokeism convinces the populace it all needs to be nationalized and sold to china so we can give plasma tvs to single mothers

>>14494585
A Mars rocket without a Mars colony is a bridge to nowhere.
>After I build the bridge, surely somebody will build the destination for my bridge
It makes no sense. The only way to make sense of this is to consider that Starship isn't for going to Mars at all. The raison d'etre of Starship must be rapid and cheap launching of massive satellite constellations.

What good is rapid booster reuse for a Mars colony anyway? Elon Musk is talking about mere hours of turnaround time before launching again. For what? It takes several months to get to Mars, probably several months to unload your cargo on Mars, then several months to get back to Earth to do it again. Who cares if the rocket needs a few weeks of refurbishment on Earth? Turnaround time of mere hours is irrelevant for the sort of schedules a Mars colonization would entail.

Rapid reuse makes the most sense if the purpose of Starship is to operate around Earth, not go to Mars.

>>14494597
SpaceX can have a thousand rockets ready to go, and have politicians and the populace under Elon's thumb by controlling twitter, and what good does any of that do if there is still no Mars colony in serious development?

>>14494573
Musk wants to reduce the risk of humanity's extinction.

Space is one hard avenue. So is energy.

But the biggest important is hearts and mind. Without which, nothing gets done. When the mass gets brainwashed by nefarious group controlled by few dozen social justice warriors, you get corruption of society that leads to its destruction and decay.

Musk's play into twitter should now be obvious. Remove the corruption, have a free platform where censored ideas can once again come to light.

>>14494608
Mars colony wont be had if politicians block SpaceX forever.

>>14494608
the non existence of a mars colony infrastructure has nothing to do with any of this. it is still in the early early conception phase behind closed doors. by the time it is advanced enough to go into a prototyping phase, the billions which got liquidated for the twitter deal will be a speck next to the gains over the next few years

>>14494618
Maybe you should try getting a job!

>>14494618
It can't be understated how important a platform for free speech which millions can engage in is. The immediate and violent reaction to what he is trying to do should tell you everything you need to know.

>>14494628
>The world will fall apart if I can't say nigger on twitter

>>14494630
Go back, nigger.

>>14494630
>the world is currently falling apart
>i currently can't say nigger on twitter
the evidence isn't in your favour anon

She's so cute.

/pol/-tards are so far up their own asses, I've never seen a more pathetic case of mental gymnastics. Go talk about how you are saving the world by shitposting on twitter elsewhere.

>>14494630
elon musk will not let you say nigger on twitter. or maybe he will, i don't really care, but it isn't likely. what he will do is remove the parasites which work there to influence public discourse in the interests of people who want to destabilize the technical and economic base of the nation for short term self interest.

>>14494639

>>14494639
>>14494630
Go back

>>14494639
>everything is /pol/
>free speech is /pol/

>>14494641

>>14494603
The point is that a launch window lasts several months so you can yeet thousands of Starships (hundreds of thousands of tons) at Mars per synod.

>>14494645
Anyone talking about twitter like it's the lynch-pin in the new world order is a /pol-tard, yes.

>>14494653
>elon musk buying twitter will bring WWIII
>elon musk buying twitter will mean end of democracy
>free speech on twitter will bring out the worst
Cry more with your garbage political hit pieces.

>>14494653
k

>>14494618
>Musk wants to reduce the risk of humanity's extinction.
This much I actually believe, but I don't think he means to do it with Mars colonization, which he hasn't invested in.

SpaceX has thusfar demonstrated very little interest in Mars. They talk about Mars a lot, but they haven't actually done anything that could only be useful for going Mars. They've put a whole lot of effort into making rockets, claiming those rockets are for eventually going to Mars, but those rockets can be used for other things too.

So what is he actually doing and how does it relate to preventing human extinction? I think he's building the means for comprehensive ballistic missile defense. To stop all missiles, no matter the stealth, decoys, maneuvering or other tricks a missile might use, you need boost-phase interceptors. Interceptors that hit the missile while the engines are still burning, since missiles are impossible to hide at this stage. Before a missile can take evasive maneuvers, before it can deploy any decoys. The problem with boost-phase interceptors is they need to be close to the launch site, and for launch sites spread across the interior of Asia, the only way to accomplish that is to put the interceptors in LEO.

To stop all the missiles, you need a LOT of interceptors. Thousands if not tens of thousands of them. Furthermore, the interceptors are expendable so your constellation of interceptors could be depleted if the aggressor throws enough missiles to waste all your interceptors. To counter this, you need a rocket booster that can launch hundreds of interceptors into LEO and you need to do it several times a week at least. Even faster is even better. This is what Starship is for. It's a means to rapidly launch and replenish a massive constellation of ballistic missile interceptors in LEO. It's not for going to Mars, it's for preventing nuclear war by rendering ballistic missiles obsolete and inoperable.

>>14494658
I never said any of this. I just called you a loser and a retard for thinking any of it matters.

>>14494653
>tens of millions of people being able to speak freely is worthless, a waste of time, and of absolutely no relevance

Are the Tweets aerospace grade?

>I never said any of this. I just called you a loser and a retard for thinking any of it matters.

Schizos are waking up

>>14494653
if that's the case, why is there suddenly a push against opening it up and introducing free speech? if twitter isn't being used to coordinate public thought then it shouldn't matter if people have the right to speak freely on it anyway

>>14494663
millions of people have been speaking freely on 4chan and SA for decades now. Do you really think twitter is the only place online to talk about stuff? How zoomer are you?

>>14494665
Yes

>>14494669
>we already have enough free speech
>stop caring about more free speech

>>14494668
Because journalists are just as big online losers as you, so they are think the sky is falling because their online echo chamber is getting possibly ruined.

>>14494544
>nuclear propulsion demonstration
They're going to demonstrate how big of a waste of money it is.

>>14494669
If we can already do that, then why are you crying about twitter having free speech?

>>14494675
right, the fact that it goes against the interests of journalists, people who have a job in shaping public thought, is proof that twitter is not a tool in the hands of people who coordinate public thought.

>>14494669
Come on now. Nobody is buying your pilpul. Everyone involved understands that your handlers are so pressed over this because they don't want 4chan-grade opinions to spread to the normies that use Twatter.

>>14494661
people would just switch to stealthy cruise missiles

>>14494678
I'm not, I'm making fun of the losers who think twitter is special somehow.

>>14494685
If twitter isn't special, then how come you're crying about twitter being bought by musk/opening up for a freer speech?

Again, your argument makes no sense unless you're in deep denial.

Stop focusing on twitter you spergs. Buying twitter is a vanity project for Elon, an amusement, a troll. It has no strategic significance. The only reason I brought it up is because it demonstrates that Elon's plans are not presently cash constrained, yet, he still isn't investing in the design of Mars colonies. If going to Mars is his real plan, then he should be funding rocket development and colony development at the same time in parallel, so that one is ready when the other is ready. At the rate things are going, Starship will probably be in serial production within a few years. Colony development is DECADES behind Starship development, and Elon is doing jack shit to rectify this. We know it's not a problem of money. He has more than enough money to spend a few billions on colony development.

>>14494684
That would turn the US into an even bigger hyperpower because nobody else does stealth right.

>>14494648
>tenor
go back to discord faggot

>>14494683
I don't think people are going to be allowed to start hating Jews in droves. Even if Elon would allow people to, the government sure as hell won't.
>>14494687
This is true.

>>14494686
I'm not crying about anything, I'm just laughing at you losers who have these huge dreams about how the world will change once musk buys twitter. Nothing is going to change, it's not going to cause the happening, or the mass waking up of normie or whatever. It's just going to be even more of a cesspool for """people""" who spend every waking day arguing with losers online about politics thinking they are making a difference.

>>14494661
>They talk about Mars a lot, but they haven't actually done anything that could only be useful for going Mars.
>besides building a rocket which is great for going to Mars, which doesn't count because it can also do other things too
anon that's dumb

>>14494695
>I don't think people are going to be allowed to start hating Jews in droves
No one is buying your pilpul. Everyone here knows they don't want normies being exposed to anything that contradicts their narrative. You also keep screeching about how Twatter is not special, and I agree: it's not special, the same concerns apply to any other normie platform. It is absolutely necessary to open every normie-centric platform so that your handlers could be undermined and you could be removed from society ASAP.

>>14494699

>>14494687
Colony development will be trivial with the mass budget of Starship. Musk is addressing the huge problem with the woke mind virus, that is responsible for the declining birth rates. You can't colonize Mars with no people.

>>14494696
>its not going to cause the happening
Its already happening.

Biden created a new Disinformation Governance Board to enforce a censoring of disinformation.
Tesla got excommunicated by ESG (environmental social governance) index, the list is now made up mostly of old fossil fuel companies.

If Twitter and free speech didn't mean anything to libtards like you, then you wouldn't be having this visceral reaction. Musk hasn't even completely the acquisition of Twitter yet, and already the attacks keep coming.

>>14494707
What?

>>14494684
They would try, but cruise missiles have numerous limitations. They're slow and their range sucks. They fly low and slow so they're easy to intercept if you can find them. Stealth technology has it's limits; first off it's not a binary, stealth is a matter of degree. Secondly, you can only hide in small portions of the EM spectrum. Granted, hiding from radar is a very useful trick, particularly since the atmosphere rapidly attenuates thermal and optical signals. However, sensors are becoming very cheap; spamming huge numbers of very cheap networked sensors will facilitate the detection and tracking of even stealthy cruise missiles flying nape of the earth below conventional defense radars.

>>14494707
>>>/pol/

>>14494707
Spaceflight?

>>14494712
SpaceX will be cancelled by Biden admin real soon. Give it time. They're building their case.

>>14494700
I accept your full concession. Free speech in the asshole of the internet is not enough. Free speech on normie platforms is necessary for free speech to matter, and your handlers know this.

>>14494714
Seek help

I warned you bros... I warned you about the pol

>>14494697
All of what he is ACTUALLY DOING can be explained as rationally motivated by something other than Mars colonization. Occam's razor is generally a meme, but you should seriously consider the fact that Elon Musk hasn't actually funded anything that would conclusively demonstrate his interest in colonizing Mars.

>>14494718
We must ban Musk and SpaceX. Too many /pol/tards from the Musk/SpaceX fanboys.

We should just continue with our discord.

>>14494725
ok, but who?

>>14494724
>but you should seriously consider the fact that Elon Musk hasn't actually funded anything that would conclusively demonstrate his interest in colonizing Mars.
>what is carbon capture sabtier x-prize $100 million

>>14494724
Other than the giant rocket capable of sending a hundred tons at a time to Mars?

REMINDER: If a post frustrates you, do not respond. They will go away if you stop replying.

>>14494718
Say what you will about the Shuttle, but it was kino

>>14494730
>a prize, which might never be claimed, which if claimed would only cost him 1/40th of what he's offered to buy twitter for
That amounts to jack-shit.

>>14494710
finding a small aircraft flying 500 knots, 100 feet altitude and getting something in range to shoot it down are different problems however

In California, they cancelled a huge desalination plant because it’d hurt the fish. They really do hate mankind and the Volk.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526997132858822658

>>14494745
We know, Zubrin.

>>14494749
>He totally cares about going to mars guys!

>>14494749
Cringy desu

>>14494749
It's Joever...

>>14494753
Cant go to mars with no license
Cant go to mars with a country thats being silenced by leftist party

>>14494749
>when you're the richest man in the world so you chase (You)s instead of money

>>14494749
Did you guys not see his tweet about how he and the right haven't changed politically but the left has gone farther and farther left, ultimately making him a moderate right when he used to be a slight left?

>>14494737
I have always hated it. It was a known boondoggle as far back as the bush era and no serious attempt was being made to divert the blackhole of funding into something more coherent. There was an x-prize or something but it should have been a singular focus of the nation's space policy to support private renewable platforms, not an afterthought while propping up that overweight spacewhale shitshow. We lucked out big time.

>>14494759
>we're being silenced!
>never shuts up
Curious!

>>14494753
I now ask myself
>but how will this help Mars colonization?
whenever I see irrelevant shit like this

Fun fact of the day: There are galaxies about 200 light years across that contain a hundred million stars. Imagine how that’d look in the sky. No real night

>>14494749
>Popcorn emoji

Hide bait, do not respond to troll. This is a spaceflight thread, gentlemen. We are supposed to talk about tankwatching, faa doxing, and the giant throbbing ballsacks hanging from mechazilla.

>>14494768
Politics aren’t irrelevant to Martian colonization.

>>14494769
>no you CAN'T send a generation ship to each and every one of them, we can ONLY take pretty pictures from my shiny expensive telescopes. PS that'll be $10billion plus tip

>>14494753
Yes, and this proves it. Only one Presidential candidate has ever made Mars a campaign issuw.

>>14494749
oh no no no crypto-democrat sisters not like this

>>14494778
Politics is a circus that keeps you placated, the politician is the face you see in front when others steal your money from your back pocket behind you. Martian state craft is important, getting yourself to Mars is important, earth politics is less so. You waste your time with politics, let this be a warning to you.

This general is shit now.

>>14494741
Even if we suppose some cruise missiles always get through, there are still several problems with that. The continental US is huge and the faster a cruise missile goes, the more it's range sucks. This is particularly true at low altitudes in thick air. But more importantly, America would not have this problem because it would be trivial to program a constellation of boost-phase interceptors to ignore American missiles. America would still have operable ballistic missiles, while nobody else would unless America decided to permit it. Anybody that used cruise missiles with nukes to attack America would be annihilated from space before their cruise missiles even had time to reach their targets.

>>14494749
partisanship is cringe hope he recovers and realizes the whole institution is against you and the only self interested move is to weaken it

>>14494765
>men can have babies
>censorship is good for democracy
>billionaires evil
>taxing corporations solves inflation
>space is for rich people to flee earth

>>14494790
I'm considering switching to the other one.

>>14494795
>space is for rich people to flee earth
Anti-space rhetoric has been promoted, funded and encouraged by the Chinese government, who understand the military/strategic implications of SpaceX's technology and want the American people to foolishly oppose it.

>>14494790
We desperately desperately need actual launches happening soon or it's really over

>>14494790
nothing is happening. i check maybe once every couple months now and i used to be active. it will be fine once something significant happens and people come back

Hey guys
Starliner OFT-2 is tomorrow

>>14494803
Boing is launching Starliner in 26 hours

>>14494810
i don't like stand up conedy

There's also a Soyuz going up tomorrow, carrying Bars-M n°3
>The Bars-M satellite is a new electro-optical area surveillance satellite to replace the film-return Yantar-1KFT (Kometa) series and the cancelled Bars series.
>film-return
They were still dropping film canisters from orbit?

>>14494733
This post frustrates me

>>14494816
>roscosmos

>>14494816
>They were still dropping film canisters from orbit?
Russia's post Soviet space program operates on the principle "if it ain't broke don't fix it"

>>14494556
because you literally cant get to mars without nuclear

Also also China is launching an unidentified payload tomorrow.
"nothing is happening" anon says. What a tool.

>>14494816
>They were still dropping film canisters from orbit?
Well, no.. The last of those launched in 2015, and they only lasted a few months each (three film returns each, I believe.)

So what they mean is they're finally getting around to replacing a capability they lost 7 years ago.

>>14494829
ah yes i cannot wait for the illuminating and engaging technical discussions around unidentified payload. unidentified payload, what an edifying thing.

>>14494791
no one would launch a first strike with cruise missiles, I'm thinking retaliatory attack with sea launched ones and most of the US population lives <500 miles from a coast

>>14494749
huh, I thought he would just vote blank or the Libertarian Party. maybe he's just shitposting

>>14494791
Don't worry. The future is now, and with SpaceX Starliner we will ensure the American dominance in space.

>>14494823
It's a shame they aren't fixing the broken shit either.

>>14494807
Is it bad that I actually want shitliner to fuck up again? My disdain for Boing outweighs any positivity of success

>>14494824
So all future Lunar surface exploration must have minimum possible crew until we achieve the means to reach Mars via nuclear propulsion?

I am legit worried that our Mars colonization will be delayed by several years because Elon is joining the political squabbling on Twitter.

>>14494843
it failing again would probably doom the project, which i believe is too interesting for the world to let happen.

>>14494749
Tesla will close California factory
SpaceX will move headquarters to Austin, Texas soon as FAA gives license.
SpaceX California space will be wound down to a skeleton crew following Starship's success.
Mark my words.

>>14494749
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1526975113597489154

>>14494843
inb4 it Nauka's and yeets the ISS out of orbit

>>14494852
china is already a dead end, they can't afford to replace two factories at once over the next couple of years

>>14494842
And of course, thanks to FailLiner I failed to link the right post >>14494766

>>14494844
we shouldnt even be going at all until we solve the problems on Earth

>>14494834
Inside the mystery box could be anything!

>>14494842

>>14494860
finally a sensible post

>>14494831
that explains how poorly it's going for them in the Ukraine

>>14494845
the back side of the moon is fucking cursed never show me that again

>>14494853
Oh boy.

>>14494860
if we kill all the earthers before we've invented spacenoids then humanity will die
this is an issue

>>14494840
Nah, he's using his influence to push a GOP win for the next election. Even if its only 1 million out of his 90+ million, thats strong enough vote to change the outcome.

The democrats have trying to stop Musk's companies for years.

>>14494835
>sea launch
That's what America's SSNs are for, we have several dozen of them. Russia and China only have a dozen ballistic missile submarines combined, and even fewer cruise missile submarines. America wipes the floor with Russia and China in every single aspect of submarine warfare.

Besides, preventing a first strike against America is the entire point. As for retaliatory strikes, I'd be more concerned about tactical warheads (plenty big to ruin a city..) smuggled into the country through other means. The KGB is alleged to have done this sort of thing in Europe during the cold war. (No firm proof, probably never will be, but there is testimony from defectors to this effect, and some KGB weapon caches were found in Germany and Switzerland based on intel from those defectors.)

>>14494842
Starliner has no strategic significance whatsoever.

>>14494867
Ukraine was always the brains of the Soviet Empire.

>>14494749
>>14494853
Holy shit he really is finished, isn't he?

>>14494878
please nuke the cities

>>14494845
At this point the government has no other choice than SpaceX, so they can't cancel them.

>>14494886
No. He's just beginning.

>>14494890
You think they care? They're perfectly willing to kneecap our capabilities if it's to prevent bad goys from stepping out of line. It's only specific parts of the military that cares. And unless they're willing to really step up and oppose Washington then it doesn't matter.

>>14494753
>REEEEEE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SHITPOST WHEN ON THE SHITTER

>>14494886
That spic faggot calling him "special needs" was probably the last straw. He's mad now

>>14494803
>>14494805
Starlinks don't count anymore?

>>14494890
This, he's untouchable. None of this twitter trolling actually endangers his plans, though it would have derailed anybody else years ago. Elon Musk could get away with cold blooded murder in broad daylight on national television and the government wouldn't even arrest him, let alone prosecute it. He's an irreplaceable strategic asset to the US government they know it. He knows it too, that's why he seems so cocksure with all his trolling.

>>14494894
They'll have to kill him to stop him, at this point

>>14494778
Mars colonization is just the carrot he needs to get modern American engineers to work on a weapons program.

>>14494886
Why do his tweets feel a lotmore unhinged recently?
Is he off his meds or something?

>>14494908
>muh meds
He's just having fun. Pathologizing a man's love for trolling is just dumb.

>>14494899
Only starships now. It's like witnessing an Heinkel He 178 and then going back to basic bitch planes while they spend years putting an actual ME 262 together

>>14494908
he just posts like a gen x dad. it's "unhinged" in the sense that most public faces hide behind prepped media statements and zoomer minders

>>14494910
its leftist tradition
anyone that has an opinion outside the orthodoxy MUST be as mentally ill as they are

>>14494908
>covid shutdown his only factory in california
>this almost caused bankruptcy for Tesla
>democrats punish all his companies (Tesla hit with multiple lawsuits, SpaceX with denying small funding, Boring Company/Neuralink/Starship hit with regulatory delays)
>democrats passing new EV credits
>Teslas are excluded
>Musk sees the problem as an ideologically driven one
>tries to buy twitter
>NOOO MUSK IS EVIL!!!!! WE HAVE TO STOP HIM BECAUSE UHHH TWITTER IS IMPORTANT!!!
>hundreds of MSM articles about how free speech is bad for our democracies
>hundreds of MSM articles about how elon musk will bring the end of democracy

Do you really think Musk is unhinged or is he acting fairly rational given the reality?

>>14494908
He's 100% correct though.

Sounds like Elon got the news early. EIS now required for Boca Chica. Should have played ball with uncle Joe

>>14494945
Source: ESGhound told me in a dream

>>14494945
Kow-towing won't happen.

Musk will use his influence to push for a next GOP president, which will greenlit his projects and we'll be going to Mars in that presidentship.

Imagine if a next moderate Republican president brings humans to Moon/Mars.

>>14494945
>t. ESG Hound

>>14494911
More like a 1920 International truck to a modern 18 wheeler. The former worked well when it first came out, but sometimes you just gotta HAUL

>>14494860
wrong
we should solve all problems on Theia first.

>>14494950
Moon landings only happen under Republican presidents

>>14494749
He should just defect to China with all the technology. USA is too fucking retarded for him.

>>14494749
Do you see what happens, Larry?!

>>14494718
>>14494737
I don't fucking understand it. If it was so expensive to make in the first place, why not say fuck it and go all the way with making the big orange tank reusable as well as other things?

>>14495033
The idea behind big orange tank was to make the Shuttle cheaper by using cheap drop tanks mass-produced on a production line rather than having in-line tanks that would make Shuttle turn-around longer and more expensive. Like most aspects of the Shuttle it seemed like a good idea at the time

>>14495033
OMB wouldn't sign off on anything more expensive than what we ended up with because they knew it was a waste of money but nixon wanted to give them their shuttle

>>14495010
China is WAY worse in every single regard
Stop drinking the Kool aid

>>14495042
>it seemed like a good idea at the time
That sums up most of human history

>>14494950
federal elections were abolished in the US though
they just appoint who they want to the presidency and crack down on anyone that raises a stink

>>14494466
Indeed, beeg

>>14494522
unbelievable how ole Musky could fuck up so hard. Reminds me of the time he though his car was in orbit around Mars

>>14494516
optics?

>>14494749
Based Trump voter

Zubrin

>>14494929
you're unhinged. schizos MUST go back and STAY

>>>/pol/

>>14495092
50mm diameter, 600mm focal length, 6mm plossl lens.

>>14495078
I know you're trying very hard to shoehorn an elden ring reference, but this is shamefully low effort.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_trans-Neptunian_objects

>>14495106
cope, seethe, etc

>>14495120
did you write this retarded shit?

>>14495120
Living in the Oort Cloud would be really scary.

>>14495120
im trans neptunian btw

>>14494908
He has fucked up with the twitter deal as we are about to enter another big recession, and he needs something to let off as much steam off it as possible. The whole hesitation about the actual percentage of bots on twatter is fucking whiny because he never actually wanted to seal the deal, just tank the platform. This man doesn't actually care about humanity or spaceflight at all, he's just saying pretty words to get nerds to overwork themselves for him thinking about some motive in the far off future that he doesn't give a shit.

>>14494790
It's such a shame. This place used to be so much fun. Hopefully its just a temporary slump.

Here's a cool PDF in hope of catalyzing some spaceflight discussion.

>>14494867
rumors also say that two of four important molniya sats are kaput, so they only have coverage 12 hours per day

>>14495154
>the 'small program' still had 10 space stations, a 12-man moon base and 5 mars landings by 1990

>>14495120
U2 suit is kino.

>>14495013
>no Shelby
Anon, I am disappoint.

NASA to take control of SpaceX "for the common good"

It's over. He's lost it. They won't let him get away with this.

>>14495178
>our wealth comrade

>>14495189
now SS wont launch after SLS because it wont launch at all

>>14495141
Why?

does someone have some Estronaut spreadsheets that we could graffitize

>>14495178
The co founders of Twitter just recieved billions each for their shares, I thought the UN said to Elon last year they could fix world hunger with a small loan of 7billion?

>>14495178
>48 likes
Please go away

>>14495189
He's not wrong, but dear god he needs to shut the fuck up. Twitter was a mistake, him buying twitter was an even bigger one.

>>14495010
Now this is a /pol/tard.

>>14495215
If they're making it painful, then it must really be worth something. Otherwise, they'd let it through without an issue.

>>14495195
the US military loves it too much to let it die to some jews seething

FFWWOOOOAAARRRRRRSSHHHHHHRUMBLERUMBLERUMBLE

>>14495222
what do you mean
/pol/ hates the bugmen, just like everyone else that isn't retarded

>>14495231
noe those are some big balls

>>14495232
Last time I checked /pol/ loved China. I guess /pol/ can improve sometimes.

Musk has completely embarrassed himself today

>>14495120
TRANNIES(non-derogatory)

ITS OVER!! MUSK HAS LOST IT! HE'S AN EMBARASSMENT TO LIBERAL AMERICA!

WE NEED TO NATIONALIZE TESLA AND SPACEX BEFORE MUSK FLEES TO CHINA!

Why do you losers defend a billionaire?

>>14494929
all true

Stupid /sfg/, go back to talking about tomorrow's OFT-2.

>>14495284
It doesn't feel real.

>>14494929
>democrats claim to be pro-ev/pro-environment/pro-income inequality
>forcibly shutdown Tesla
>forcibly shutdown nuclear power
>forcibly shutdown small businesses
>blame "big corporate"

>>14494816
>They were still dropping film canisters from orbit?
If it works, don't try fixing it. In all likelyhood it's because filmcanisters are immune to signal hijacking and tapping.
Vostok is still flying to this day, although mostly only in appearance

>>14495189
All he has to do is bribe these political retards and we can get back on schedule. It literally doesn't matter who's in office.

>>14495313
Better yet, all he has to do is kowtow to Biden and suck Biden's old smelly dick
Why won't Elon just do that?

>>14495154
The "small pessimistic" forecast would be considered foolishly ambitious today. Christ, this makes me sad.

>>14495010
>china cartoon says to come to china
lol

There is one single schizo derailing the threads into political discussion. He is the same person who thinks Zubrin is a Marxist and hates anime.

>>14495316
because Bidet is too busy getting sucked off by you right now

>>14495322
Zubrin was a communist. Isn't anymore.

>>14495322
Why stop there? Why don't you combine all the things that you dislike and attribute it to one person?

>>14495312
>filmcanisters are immune to signal hijacking and tapping.
Very fair point, that's a good idea.

>>14495316
It amuses me when bigger men like Von Braun clearly didn't let their pride get in the way, but Elon can't stomach it

>>14495329
Because it’s not true. But he (You) is the anti anime schizo and the Zubrin hater as he (You) made clear in previous threads.

>>14495312
They also launched a Vostok derivative back in 2013 carrying some animals on a research mission. I know its fun to meme on Russia for not innovating but a part of me thinks it's neat there are still living lineages of vehicles from the dawn of the space age

>>14495342
Tell me what happened to Von Braun? His program got cancelled, there's no Mars. There's no Moon. Von Braun's claim to fame lasted for 5 minutes for sending humans to the Moon. Then it was shutdown.

Elon's problem can only be solved by removing Biden and electing a moderate Republican. Someone that understands the reality of economics and of technological superiority capabilities.

>>14495357
So long as Biden stays in office, his posses wont allow Musk to proceed any further. Guaranteed. They've been waging a war against all his companies for years now.

>>14495357
Just don’t be senile and or a populist.

>>14495364
Is that so too much to ask for in current America?

Elon just shut the fuck up, just shut up
Go back to building rockets and making cars
Stop painting a target on your back
I want off of this planet

>>14495357
>Someone that understands the reality of economics and of technological superiority capabilities.
Abbo and DeSanta are both retards in their own way and are the likely front runners for republicans

>>14495377
Abbot winning President would be great news for Tesla/SpaceX for sure. But so would Desantis as well. Since Musk has friendly relations with both.

>>14495350
Imagine some derivative of the Apollo CSM being used on Orion

Oh no ESG bros we got too cocky!

>>14495351
Could you really blame him for dying 5 years after the last moon landing? Also, he was suffering from cancer from '73 onwards. I know that the Saturn program got shafted, but it's not really comparable to what's happening now. I don't think it was ever sustainable like SpaceX.

>>14495429
Von Braun was forced to quit after Saturn V was shutdown. Because he didn't put more of his pride/ego on line, and he couldn't because he was a Nazi at that point, we've been stuck on Earth for the last 50 years.

>>14495407
Still nothing concrete

>>14495407
Sissy hounds…

>>14495376
the best thing for him would be if there were someone even higher profile that could take the heat off

>>14495407
yeah, and lori garver is nasa adminostrator. you cried wolf too many a time, berger

>>14495472
SLS won't fly intil 2023

>>14495491
you're flat out wrong

>>14494749
YOU

STUPID

RETARD

UGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>14495053
China lets their big strategic corps do whatever the fuck they want.

>>14495232
last time I checked /pol/ was filled with bugmen praising russia and china

>>14494834 >>14494829

merely an ocean and weather observation satellite

>>14495242
absolutely every pro-chinese post on there is made by the chinese themselves in their innumerable astroturfing farms
they got sweatshops filled with desks, all holding 40+ phones a piece, all pretending to be different people, but all pretending china isn't a backwater shithole and paper dragon

It's finally happening. Boing is back.
https://twitter.com/BoeingSpace/status/1527061503442096130

>>14495537
Coool :)

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Poor%20Elon%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

>>14495561
Kill yourself

>>14495567
>Elon bought twitter to get the common folk on his side!!11
>the common folk:

>>14495537
wait, Starliner OFT2 is tomorrow? holy shit

what?
WHAT?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy6iam6NjsU

>>14495527
>Correction: China's big strategic corps do whatever the fuck the CCP tells them to do and absolutely nothing else

>>14495585
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO

>sfg going crazy
babby's first elon meltdown?

https://scitechdaily.com/a-simple-one-week-long-break-from-social-media-can-improve-your-health/

>>14494749
wow fucking great job elon

https://scitechdaily.com/a-simple-one-year-long-break-from-sfg-can-improve-your-health/

>The Biological Opinion is objectively garbage and the Service will get sued over it.
Uh oh...he's mad

im team blue now
gradatim ferociter

>>14495680

never thought id say this bit here it goes:

FUCK SPACEX

Reminder that architecture on other planetary bodies should be taking advantage of the lower gravity

>>14495537
All right! Thruster Boogaloo part 2!

>stream LIVE NOW!
>"Elon Musk Live ! SpaceX's Follow Starlink Mission !Starlink Mission Launch! Crew Dragon SpaceX !"
>totally not keyword spam
>started streaming 10 hours ago
>6335 watching now
>chat is subscriber-only
>channel named "SpaceX's"
>only video on this channel
totally not sus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEvgr-dVMQ8

>>14495537
>internal clocks incorrectly set along with shopping list of software faults
>parachute deployment failure
>valves corroded on the pad
>chopped someones legs off
How much more cursed can this thing get?

When is the next Russian launch? Haven’t heard much in the last month or so

>>14495572
A lot of young twitter lefties are facing their "Hans are we the baddies?" moment.

>>14495734
>chopped someones legs off
wat

Elon has commited political suicide today.
Expect ZERO starships approvals while the dems are in the WH.

>>14495734
Did you forget the bit where it would have failed to update the gross vehicle weight after detaching from the service module before re-entry? They only discovered that when all the other bullshit made them actually look at their fucking code.
We totally missed out on a fiery re-entry.

>>14495752
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/exclusive-boeing-clashes-with-key-supplier-ahead-starliner-spacecraft-launch-2022-05-11/
>In 2017, Starliner had an accident during a ground test that forced the president of a different subcontractor to have his leg medically amputated. The subcontractor sued, and Boeing subsequently settled the case.
I think Berger got a contact to spill that the pyrotechnics blew on a test stand and it hit the guy in the legs, not sure if that's 100% accurate but it's probably on his twitter feed somewhere.

>>14495757
>remove the atmosphere

>>14495764
Soviet tier blunder

>>14495764
what the fuck? why doesnt /esfeegee/ talk more about this everytime starliner is brought up?

>>14495757
This what a dumbass, they're gonna go after Starship and SpaceX now purely out of spite

>>14495770
*2222

>>14495704
I hope it does the RCS dance party AFTER docking, like Nauka before her.

>>14495783
>they are going to do something they are already doing

>>14495783
they were already doing that
Musky shitting in their cheerios changes nothing

>>14495779
It was covered up and the public only found out last week.

>>14495584
>Starliner
>tomorrow
No way!

>>14495764
Kinda but not quite. Starliner was planned to go up under a balloon so it could be dropped to test the parachute system. The guy was on a ladder making last minute connections when the pyros unexpectedly fired and shifted the capsule. He went off the ladder, fell 20 feet, and shattered his ankle. Then the ladder fell on him. The type of ladder that was being used was supposed to have been banned by Boeing several years earlier "due to risk of catastrophic injury". The damage to his leg was bad enough that it had to be amputated below the knee.

>>14495797
damn that sucks
fucking useless piece of shit capsule, atleast dragon hasnt wounded anyone (that i know of) besides setting itself on fire that one time

>>14495803
>setting itself on fire
You mean vaporized itself

>>14495805

>>14495803
I think this was less an issue with Starliner itself and more an issue with Boeing just having terrible safety culture in general.

Should be an exciting launch tomorrow!

>>14495816
>tomorrow
Almost guaranteed that it will scrub for """"an abdunance of caution""""

>>14495826
then another 6 months for finding the fault

launch thread when?

>>14495857
be the change you want to see

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/18/tech/boeing-starliner-scandal-recap-scn/index.html

starliner stream:
https://youtu.be/gy6iam6NjsU

live in 19 hours

Cool, so no elon interview part 2?

>>14495896
not yet, we should get 4 of them in total

I don’t think this will stick but if it does then the EPA, among other things, is dead as doornails. Hell it could strip power from the NRC

>>14495901
What's the fuckin hold up?

>>14495896
The silence and delays make me think that maybe spacex is reviewing and saw something they didn’t want to be made public. Maybe even stupid ITAR faggotry

>>14495906
dodd has to get them screen by spacex

>>14495896
The video hasnt gotten enough views yet. Each video must hit a certain count before the next upload

>>14495905
Or the ATF, who somehow get away with legislating via opinion letter

>>14495933
Yeah those are the two worst offenders. It might even affect the NRC. Shit it affects the TSA, possibly the FAA, it might even affect some national security agencies. It’s probably a bit too far reaching to survive as is.

a faggot, why does he wear the suit
https://youtu.be/Wfc-WYifpIk

>>14495905
Several justices on SCOTUS including Thomas and ACB explicitly favor that exact non-delegation doctrine.

Also making this space related: right now the FAA's leeway is such that getting a license is a process of negotiation, and that discretion can be exercised by random DC bureaucrats who have never seen either the rocket or the range in question. If non-delegation gets enforced the FAA is absolutely getting whacked.

>>14495013
needs a krystal

>>14495948
Whatever happened to their "rocket can fit in a container" gimmick?

>>14495948
retard here, is that good for spacex or bad

I really wish the E-1 had happened. I would have been at the perfect sweep spot for engine size

>>14495951
It still does. LV0010 is in one right now. LV0009 was going boxless because it got loaded on to a privately owned C-130 at Oakland International (which is like 15 minutes from the office) to fly north and the C-130 could fit the rocket but not the container.

>>14495905
What does this mean?

>>14495231
Propellant is stored in the balls

>>14495342
>>14495351
The von isn't capitalized, it's a particle or title or something

>>14495965
it's like Xenon, a noble particle

>>14495958
The unconstitutional Federal government is going to get taken out behind the shed and shot

>>14495952
daily launch good

>>14495968
Retard

>>14495958
If it stands it can become precedent for future lawsuits and rulings that basically any regulatory agency is A unable to have their own courts and B unable to write their own regulations. They would be forced to put all regulations through congress and while they could enforce violations they would have to take defendants to regular court
Congress and courts are both pretty backed up and slow. This is not wholly good for anyone desu as it could end up with decisions taking years because of how long the legal process takes. But it does mean that the following cannot happen
>congress appoints a National Cum Agency
>NCA creates regulations on the amount of cum one can expel in a week
>NCA goon squads arrests you for fapping to hentai and you go to special cumcourt without a jury

>>14495976
why isnt esghound freaking out then

>>14495965
Thanks, I didn't know that. So it's like Werner "of" Braun?

>>14495983
He's a dumb faggot.

>>14495985
No idea but something like that
I do know it's never capitalized

>"What is it that makes it possible for us to spend $20,000 million dollars of our tax payer's money to put some idiot on the Moon."
Amazing how nothing has changed in over 60 years.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio

https://spacenews.com/nasa-puts-iss-spacewalks-on-hold-to-investigate-water-leak/
>Susan Helms, a former NASA astronaut who serves on the panel, said that the agency is “no-go” for spacewalks, or EVAs, currently because the ongoing investigation.

absolute state of our EVA hardware

>>14495993
The foundring version turns the song into something that isn't just garbage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21iJFEceqng

>>14495982
Any other impacts it could have?

I have a theory that these currently unknown side mounted engines on SpaceX's lunar lander concept are Kestrel engines
Think about the engines used on the Apollo lander, pressure fed, high ISP, and vacuum optimized, the reason for this engine cycle is because of the importance of reliability in the lunar ascent phase of a moon mission with no abort possibilities
now compare the Lunar Module's Ascent propulsion system to the Kestrel, same pressure fed cycle, and similar ISP, and vacuum optimized
The size of the engines in this picture also match up with the Kestrel, and aren't very large, meaning that not much interior space will be used by them.
The only issue with this theory is that it uses RP1-LOX instead of methane, which requires one more tank. it's not like a lunar starship needs header tanks so just put one where a header tank would have gone.

>>14496015
No idea. But a lot of regulations are decided outside of congress

Why is musk becoming trump lite on twitter I just want him to make big rocket wtf

>>14496022
yeah its really annoying

>>14496022
Your side is the baddies, anon. Elon knows it.

>>14496018
are you new? we know exactly what those are (were, raptor-based hot gas thrusters). elon confirmed they canned the idea in favor of ullage gas thrusters/vents.

>>14495407
>elon has to go
lmao

>>14496022
He seems bored
But yeah he’s always been a bit of a faggot when he’s not focused (like all autists tbqh)

>>14496022
>>14496050
He needs a launch at least as badly as we do. This is why his post quality has gone down.

Saw some unique anti-SpaceX seethe today lads. Never heard this particular bit of bullshit before

Soon.

>>14495955
single-engine E1 first stage with a centaur upper would have been a nice rocket too

>>14496062
>Saw some unique anti-SpaceX seethe today lads. Never heard this particular bit of bullshit before
The seethe machine has historically been a good sign that someone powerful and with a lot of connections is feeling threatened.

>>14496030
Musk said that the ullage gas vents were for use on normal starships/superheavies for attitude control, nothing to do with the descent/ascent engines on HLS
There's absolutely no way ullage gas venting is going to give you enough thrust to descend/ liftoff from the moon, not to mention that theres no way a starship could produce that much gas
Compare the hot gas vents on the starship prototypes vs the HLS concept, the newest version, (rendered after this switch to a hot gas system) is still depicted with larger bell nozzles than hot gas thrusters

>>14495958
The SEC isn't a real court so anything it does is fake and ghey.

>>14495189
he's unbanning trump isn't he, my body is ready.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJEBgjQIekE

>>14496121
Witnessing this speech in person was thrilling, I could feel the nervousness from all the chinese in the crowd

since 2015 alot of countries got military space units and even whole ass space forces
but
how long until poorfag countries get military space units?

>china launching 2 asteroid sampling missions
is asteroid sampling the precursor to asteroid mining?

>>14496198
lmao dumbass

>>14496200
>learning how to land on asteroids
>learning how to check their mineral composition

https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/house-appropriators-praise-nasa-but-worry-about-overruns-and-delays/#.YoW57A5MP9A.twitter

>“Participation in America’s space program is not an entitlement. It is a privilege. Most people understand that. …
>Administrator, I would ask you to let me know if there are company leaders out there who need a reminder of this principle. It is a principle on which I know we both agree.”
ITS OVER FOR MUSK

>>14496206
i think they are talking about boeing

Tell me a rocket/rocket family name and I'll give you a nice little graph
Here's the star of the brazilian space program

>>14496212
Just laying the foundations/precedence. For future use where they can cancel SpaceX.

>>14494608
When they get atarship working, they will start woeking on the colonization tech
Starship is on the critical path and needs to be solved first, doing random other things simultaneously might be slower

my autistic brain decided that building a lego boing starliner and Atlas V out of legos was a good use of time
goes good next to my dragon capsule
It's monochrome because lego doesn't make pieces in an atlas V like brown so it's a garish green instead
it would be cool if it blows up tomorrow so I can make a funny video of me throwing it against a wall for the occasion

>>14496213
Here's a more interesting one

>>14496220
>anti-anime schizo plays with childrens toys
you can't make this shit up

>>14496224
I know you're false flagging to get people to hate anime posting, what makes you think that I'm against anime?

>>14496168
white house intern?

>>14496220
neat

>>14496212
lol
lmao

>>14496220
Starliner Atlas V doesn't have any angle pieces between the capsule/skirt and the Centaur
also you made the Centaur too long?

>>14496226
thanks for proving me right
shouldn't you be dilating to a picture of von braun right now?

>>14496223
huh I didn't realize last Vostok flew in 90s

>>14496251
please ask me for graphs, i'm desperate

>>14496206
SpaceX cancalled

>>14496253
give me Delta II

>>14496253
Do you have any data on the target inclinations?

>>14496255
thank you, here is your graph

>>14496258
break it down by class of Delta II

>>14496239
No that was at the IAC in 2019.
I've been trying to go most years since 2016, when I went almost exclusively for the first BFR/MCT/Starship presentation. Had a great time and now I go regardless of whether elon has a talk planned.

>>14496253
Could you do a compare/contrast with Soyuz and F9?

>>14496258
Can you do a Space Shuttle one?

>>14496205
open an economics textbook

>>14496253
uhh...Jackie Chan
shit!

give me Ariane 1-4

>>14496263
I could do that but I need to change the code a bit so I'll add it tomorrow, going to bed soon
>>14496267
Here's Shuttle

>>14496224
meds

>>14496266
Yes!

>>14496224
I can't believe we have an anti-schizo-schizo

>>14496271
Thanks.

Imagine if Challenger didn't happen and launch rates continued growing like that.

>>14496270
Here

>>14496253
Blue Streak

>>14496247
dang you're right, my reference image was inaccurate to the real one

>>14496287
I don't have missiles
But here's Europa which had Blue Streak as an upper stage

>>14496253
Atlas V

>>14496278
lovely

>>14496295
hahaha

>>14496285
>Imagine if Challenger didn't happen and launch rates continued growing like that.
They wouldn't have though. They only managed so much in 1985 by pushing everyone to the limit and throwing all caution to the wind and even then couldn't reach the minimum 12 flights a year promised

>>14496178
I don't know if they have their own space force but no one can beat the Ugandans when it comes to poorfag space programs. Pic related, this spaceplane was supposed to be weaponized.
>'I have trained my crew (in) advanced astronomy. They are very good at astronomy in regards to calculations and identifications of various space objects.'
>And when asked how he plans to simulate zero gravity for training, he said it would be 'easy'.
>He added: 'I've got a jet engine on order so I'm planning to build a tunnel, put the engine at one end and when I throw a guy in he'll float in a similar way to how he would in space.'
>>14496226
Don't feed the anime schizo, he makes allegations like that all the time, and the only way it would be a false flag is if it was intentionally designed to look like one so people think the other side is trying to frame him. In reality he just has schizophrenia.

>>14496295
Thanks. Yea, I should have said Europa. Blue Streak was the first stage. I wonder if there is a rocket with a worse track record.

>>14496299
I would need to fiddle a bit for that one since every Atlas rocket is in the same category, might do it tomorrow
Here's the whole Atlas family

>>14496264
damn, that must have been kino of the highest order.

>>14496313
i miss him so much bros

>>14496310
Atlas I, II, and III are essentially the same rocket but Atlas V is completely different

>>14496304
>>14496309
Simorgh (iranian rocket) is the one with the most failures without any successes, N1 failed 4 times as well

>>14496320
yeah I didn't make the database unfortunately

>>14496329
neat, first time hearing about this rocket.

Thank you for the requests, it was fun. I'm going to bed so good night and good day space anons

>>14495948
THEY TOLD ME THE PACKAGING WOULD BE DISCRETE

>>14494737
Yes please go back to your diacord, tranny

>>14494749
Based

>>14496206
>>14496212
It's about Boeing and their cost plus contracts.

>>14496310
>Here's the whole Atlas family
That's actually even better, thanks

>>14495033
That's what Shuttle II was supposed to be.

>>14496352
kek

>>14495956
>privately owned C-130
wew I had no idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lockheed_C-130_Hercules_operators#Civilian_operators

>>14494929
Yep

>>14494945
Democrats are eally shooting themselves in the foot if musk endorsing republicans gets them over the finish line in the next election
Additionally, if they greenlight everything, republicans can also use moon and mars landings to further their politics (see what the private corporations are able to do if we dont obstruct them)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfc-WYifpIk

WTF BROS. The raptors are being tested daily at the rate of 3-4 per day.

How is that possible? Didn't they just explode their raptor just yesterday? WTF

>>14495983
He's focused on Tesla/Twitter purchase now

>>14496421
That was 2 weeks ago.

That's it, Elon has gone off the deep end. I am now a Bezos Booster.

>>14496526
((()))

>>14496352
Yeah, we all saw the reddit post

cant believe it took us 60 years to go from government manned missions to private ones