/sci/ - Science & Math

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRDASIpSfzQ
Ongoing spacewalk

Good Morning anons
Fresh baked Brendan Starship Status

https://youtu.be/L8p-DklOW4A

>>12792661
what he doin

>>12792680
Glorious Nippon repairs. Astronauts spend more time keeping the ISS from falling apart than actually doing research nowadays.

>>12792663
Alrightee lads, my only proof is seeing this on /sfg/ one time like a year ago, but Musk said SN20 would be the first orbital test. If we assume one starship flight per month that would place SN20 around October. Idk about SuperHeavy development though

>>12792634
Hello frens

Here to remind you that the schizo poster will most likely try to derail the thread. So if you see some stupid ass claims about starship DO NOT RESPOND.

Also does anyone know when the superheavy booster is supposed to be ready?

>>12792697
I've also seen anons talk about how SuperHeavy dev will be extremely quick, because once they get upper stage SS working all they have to do is expand the tank. Fingers crossed bros

>>12792663
Where are SN12-14?

>>12792706
I think 12-14 were built with the wrong alloy, or a shitty weld process or something that was proven not to work so they scrapped them

>>12792680
Installin stuff for these things

>>12792701
This was made late December, so hopefully sometime this summer we'll see more talk about it

>>12792701
>reddit spacing
> fear of "schizos"
> muh thread
Pathetically weak anon, have you consider growing a pair of testicles at any point in the last 14 years?

>>12792703

yeah, the flight profile is the same as an F9 booster. in theory, the only engineering challenge should be getting 30 raptors working together reliably.

Why did NASA suddenly raise ISS prices almost 7 fold?
https://spacenews.com/nasa-hikes-prices-for-commercial-iss-users/

>>12792728
Dunno, ISS seems to be falling apart.

>>12792701
What schizo poster?

>>12792725
Gahhhh upper stage SS already scrubs a lot just because 1 of the 3 raps gets upset. Having like 24 raptors will cause so many fucking scrubs in the next 1-2 years

>>12792728
To cockblock commercial entities/universities.

Space is only for the Scientists and the Experts and the military contractors. Civvies don't touch - you'll dirty it!

>>12792728
Maybe the hardware is aging to the point where they have to be more selective in what they do up there

>>12792728
I'm a retard but to me it looks like NASA wants to make more money off of commercial shit. They need to throw more money into SLS after all

>>12792649
lel

>>12792730
Russian segment is falling apart. I doubt that American, or Euro modules, let alone the Japanese one, share the issue.

>>12792748

>>12792728
Have to keep funding SLS and giving Boing money for as long as possible.
Please contribute by buying your own RS-25, they are priceless antiques at this point.

>>12792745
Considering the Russian modules were built in the 80s it's amazing they've lasted this long

https://twitter.com/astro_ayotte

Boeing shill thot, have fun guys.

>>12792797
>waaaaaaaaaaaahhhh what about dem coldz?!!
>NASA please this cost us three billion dollars in delay and will need two more years to fix
>please understand

>>12792711
Is that a render, or are the new panels out there already?

>>12792797
I wonder if she is so new she doesn't know they are already years behind or if she is just hoping we don't know that.
>the weather in 2021 delayed the 2018 flight

>>12792797
>SpaceXicans managed to save some turtles and fly two rockets
>Boing can't test a vehicle made for temperatures between -150 and 250f because it's too cold

>>12792804
It's the prototype they have tested in 2017

>>12792797
I was reading her twitter and it seemed pretty decent, but then I found the "Mars is a hellhole" retweet. Old space truly cannot fathom a reality where humans dont die on this fucking planet

>>12792817
Remember oldspace is deeply in bed with the government. What does every government want? Eternal rule. Division, expansion - these things endanger eternal rule. On the other side is Stagnation and the predictability that comes with it.

Just things to consider regarding mindsets.

>>12792817
Living on Mars will fucking suck for several decades and people going need to understand this. That said we have to become interplanetary and eventually interstellar if we want survive long term.
I think oldspace is scared of a martian collony because there is a decent chance everyone dies and that will hurt what actually motivates them, profits.

>>12792824
While any government will always fuck up and fail its people at some point, I don't think America is hellbent on a totalitarian rule. Space exploration and establishment of colonies = more money for them, so I don't think they'd be against it because it'd infringe on their powers

>>12792826
A Martian colony that can send people back to Earth isn't going to result in all their deaths. Hell Artemis is a thing, and while Mars is a much harder objective, it still would be manageable. If oldspace actually had the capabilities for a Martian colony, they'd be there by now. It is everyone's dream to step foot on Mars, and the risks that come with it are understood

>>12792817
the she/her in her bio didn't give it away?

>>12792846
also her twitter handle starts with @astro_, which is really only what astronauts use

>>12792837
Transfer windows mean there is plenty of time for everyone to die assuming your rockets don't run on magic.
This is why I think a lunar collony is the smart move first as you can get everyone back in a couple of days with only ~5.6km/s ΔV.

>>12792855
Don't worry the gateway plan involves long waits between being able to return on not so they've got your moon ass covered there. Better practice breathing vacuum if something breaks.

>>12792826
>Living on Mars will fucking suck for several decades and people going need to understand this

Nah it’ll be awesome because you’ll be far from (((them)))

>>12792855
Why not both?
>>12792745
They still have its replacement waiting in mothballs back in glorious mother Russia, right?
>>12792797
Getting real tired of all these twitterally-whos, anon.

>>12792869
Nah I have a doooomer feeling that the whole time they will be writing hit pieces on why it needs to be cancelled and why musk needs to be shut down. And once the colony gets pretty /comfy/ and starship proves itself after the first few crashes w/ fatalities THEY will finally buy their own tickets to move in to the homes YOU built and tell you why you need to now adopt their progressive sharia she/her law

>>12792864
Gateway is so fucking retarded. I'm all for a lunar station that refuels landers to farry crew and cargo but the planned orbit is the dumbest shit possible because it's built around a terrible LV.

>>12792869
>fully dependant on the US government to stay alive
>free from (((them)))
Pick one.

>>12792870
>Why not both?
Agreed but doing the moon first to test everything makes the most sense.

>>12792876
Move outwards yet again to Ceres, then again to the Jovian system, so on and so forth. Comfort leads directly to decadence.

>>12792880
Tell ya what. You start your own space company, you get to decide whether to go to the Moon or Mars first. Deal?

Perseverance is now driving.

Mission team members from NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Southern California will discuss mission “firsts” achieved so far and those to come in a media teleconference at 3:30 p.m. EST (12:30 p.m. PST) Friday, March 5.

The teleconference audio and accompanying visuals will stream live on the NASA JPL YouTube channel.

>>12792887
Ideally I would want to live on Titan, but that would only happen in our lifetime assuming we already had a Mars colony established right now. Could a SS even land on Titan without blasting a crater of water? Everything is ice.

>>12792661
Big Jim endorses watching NASA on Twitch with fellow gamers
twitch.tv/nasa

>>12792869
Eventually you'll be able to have yid free colonies in the outer solar system. But it will be a long time, maybe centuries, until they're self sufficient economically, and if you're not economically independent then you're not politically independent.

>>12792897
>twitch
>>12792896
On second thought, Mars is a fucking large planet. It’s not too crazy to think we will see multiple subcolonies established within proximity (but far enough apart from eachother that each one will be run differently). If the soience colony gets too bad we could start another one. I would be willing to live with mormons or muslims or whatever if it meant not having to deal with virtue signaling fags the rest of my life
>inb4 rent free
I think this is a genuine problem. spaceflight is riddled with rich mentally ill liberals who would be willing to go to Mars

>>12792913
>If the soience colony gets too bad we could start another one. I would be willing to live with mormons or muslims or whatever if it meant not having to deal with virtue signaling fags the rest of my life

FREMEN WHEN

>>12792913
You can just move to the middle east you know...

>>12792896
You could land on Titan using helicopter pads or a runway if you wanted.

>>12792889
When did I mention SpaceX?
They can do whatever they want and they will, I'm just looking at the system from a ΔV / transit time perspective. From that point of view the smartest play would be:
>rotating LEO station @ moons inclination
>equatorial lunar station
>first lunar base
>polar lunar station
>second lunar base
>equatorial martian station
>first martian base
ect.

>>12792923
>When did I mention SpaceX?
When did *I* mention SpaceX?

>>12792920
No.
>>12792922
If you could actuate Starship's fins fast enough would it create enough lift to fly?

>>12792927
I responce to me saying moon first is the smart move you said start your own space company, as there is only once space company planning any colony anywhere who else would you be talking about?
It's hard to act smart when you are so stupid.

>Titan’s terminal velocity of 9.6 m/s is equivalent to falling from a height of 4.7 meter on Earth, which is about 15 feet. If you went to a skydiving school, you can probably land at this velocity without breaking any bones.
Wait would you even need to fire your raptors? Could you just reenter and smack the ass down somewhere? Worst case scenario you reenter in a starship, and then bail out with a wingsuit to glide to your colony. Idk how you would get back to orbit though.

>>12792663
Nice! BN1 may be finished next week. I can't wait to see it fly.

>>12792939
Flap your wings

>>12792870
>They still have its replacement waiting in mothballs back in glorious mother Russia, right?
It was stored in the same hanger as Buran.
(I made that up but it wouldn't surprise me if it were true.)

>>12792663
How many Raptor engines are needed to lift SuperHeavy and Starship stacked and fully fuel loaded?

>>12792937
If you started your own there wouldn't be only one.

>>12792930
Don’t think so, but it’s pretty easy to imagine a Titan SSTO you can just keep stored in orbit or on the surface and shuttle them up and down as desired. The moon is nearly made of rocket fuel anyway. Lakes of hydrocarbons and lots of water ice.

>>12792939
>9.6 m/s = 34.5km/h (21.4mph)
Most people would break something and something built as light as a rocket would crumple.
That said a tiny parachute would work wonders and wing suits + jump towers could become a popular mode of travel.

>>12792951

28, with engine out capacity

>>12792959
>tiny parachute
you could literally use an umbrella

>>12792661
Flat Earth confirmed again

>>12792688
we've reached our limit as humans haven't we
iss is as far as we ever go

>>12792869
it'll be awesome for (you) but your kids may think quite differently. no child or old people policy until population > 10k & there are some large greenhouses with mini-lakes and trees and stuff. until then you ship pregnant and those >65 back to earth

>>12792984
Isn’t a colony if you’re not fucking there

>>12792984
>until then you ship pregnant and those >65 back to earth
Hey gran, I know you have spent the last 30 years at 2/5th Earths gravity but now you are old and frail we have to send you back to 1G.

>>12792993
rmao

>>12792634
I know we’re dead set on Mars, but theoretically, how would one colonize the moon? What challenges does the moon have that Mars doesn’t?

>>12793003
No atmosphere for aerobraking and much less potential for isru.

>>12792993
okay, fine. no one older than 30 is allowed to go to mars; to provide a 30 year gap period to set up the infrastructure necessary for long term care of non, or minimal contributors.

>>12793003
Dubious source of carbon for hydrocarbons. Now I know KAGUYA found a lot more outgassing of carbon than can be accounted for with micrometeorites and solar winds, but we still need to find where the fuck said carbon is from and if it's even worth extracting.
Because just relying on hydrolox is a waste. Even outside our gravity well, boil-off and embrittlement are two major fucking issues.

>>12793003
nasty static-cling moon dust which is worse for you than asbestos

>>12793012
I bet it’s a good seasoning

>>12793012
>19 microns
Nice little lung shredders

>>12793012
buzz aldrin is still kicking despite probably getting a few grams of this shit in him

>>12793012
Just use a fucking suitport, it isn't rocket science
>>12793006
Landing on the Moon is not hard, at all. At least not for a civilized nation like the US. Yeah you will have to rely on constant shipments from Earth, but so will Mars for a while. You can still grow stuff on the Moon. ISRU of fuel will be a bitch because it's basically not happening though

>>12793003
moon colonization is retarded because it can't ever be self sustaining, mars has all the raw materials you need, it just lacks the people to use them, moon doesn't have anything.

>>12793003

>Pros
Much closer
No transfer windows
Less gravity to get to and from the surface (thought that's not too awful on mars)

>cons
Inferior resources (less water, no carbon)
No atmosphere to aerobrake with
Horrible moon dust and moon rocks
Lower gravity to actually live in

>>12793003
Cons:
Lower gravity might be an issue but we don't know, we don't even know if Mars has enough gravity to keep people healthy.
No atmosphere means every meteorite makes it to the ground, could be an issue for surface infurstructure.
As others have said a lack of known resources but it does seem to have water which could be used for hydrolox rockets.

Pros:
Real time comms, high data rates, constant contact from the near side.
No atmosphere and low gravity means a maglev could be used for Earth return of resources if we find a use for what we find (H3).
Fast / low ΔV transit.

>>12793034
There is carbon there, we just don't know where it is because nobody has given a fuck enough to go look for it. Go check out the KAGUYA findings.

>>12793039
There's no way it's concentrated enough to use for fuel though. Any carbon on the Moon would only be present as volatile dustings in autistically specific places (I would presume)

>>12793003
I really like the idea of propellant factories on the moon. Obviously the moon can't easily be made self sufficient, but lunar industry could go a long way in making space civilization self sufficient

>>12793012
imagine staying in the crab bucket because you cant handle a little dust. of all the retarded copes for not going to the moon or mars...

>>12793045
https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/19/eaba1050.full

We don't know. All previous knowledge was based on a couple of NASA dudes from the 60s and early 70s with pooper scoopers doing a couple of jaunts around in tiny areas going "Nope, no carbon here. Case closed".
Then they never bothered to look again until the nips sent up that probe and lo and behold.

>>12793036
>(H3)
>falls for the helium-three meme
>doesn't even know the difference between helium and hydrogen

>>12793058
Lmao

>>12793058
Eh, had a brain fart.
As I said "if we find a use" and "what we find", there is a decent chance the moon has all the rare earth elements while being much easier to mine thanks to a cooler core and low gravity.

Are we ever gonna bringnback the MMU? That thing is invaluable compared to strapping your feet onto a stick.

>>12793082
Maybe if they ever built a new station or need to service a telescope or whatever. It's not really something you pull out just for fucking about outside a station that's already built.

>>12793082
NASA would never take a risk like that again desu

>>12793082
>Are we ever gonna bringnback the MMU
KEK, fuck no. It was bulky as fuck and useless. The thing they use now (I think it's called SAFER or something?) does a similar job and is much more compact. It has emergency thrusters

>>12793081
>easier to mine
I'm not sure mining in a vacuum using heavy equipment that has to be manufactured 300,000 miles away and transported at the cost of hundreds of millions of dollars is easier

>>12793091
it's not really that risky

>>12793049
The problem with lunar propellant factories is that they’re useless beyond Cislunar space. You want to go to Mars? Just launch from LEO and aerocapture. You want to go to the asteroid belt? Hydrolox is too slow anyways.

I can't wait to move to Starbase

>>12793096
You'd be surprised, especially when it comes to gasses, those are a bitch without good infrastructure right now even.

>>12793106
starfaggot

>>12793082
Sadly >>12793091

>>12793096
For most of human history we picked up precious metals from the surface, it's only a huge operation these days because all the surface stuff has been picked up.
I'm thinking a large mechanical rake with density sorting would do pretty well for a couple of decades. You aren't going to need 100 ton machines.

>>12793095
SAFER is only good for emergency self-rescue though. MMU could be used to to inspect and repair shit on vehicles like the shuttle or Starship that don't have handholds all over the place.

>>12793058
No memes dude

>>12793106
I can't wait for you to suck me off

>>12793113
Plus, earth is 70% water and the rest is mostly covered in various levels of vegetation

>>12793114
Good point.

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>>12793082
Imagine being this guy in this situation and then remembering the MMU was built by a gravel supplier.

>tfw didn't sell at 60

>>12793136
t.should have bought Chad holdings

>>12793136
You going to buy some Rocket Lab? I will be.

>>12793091
>run out of propellant
>shuttle maneuvers slightly to come pick you up
The risk of getting lost in space is vastly overestimated

>>12793140
smallspace isn't going to last

>>12793081
>rare earth elements
No matter what the name says, they're not rare. The reason China is making them all now is because EPA rules make us uncompetitive.
>>12793096
It does have one advantage, you need less attention to muh invurrmint than even China does for the "'"rare""" earths. But then you have to ship it all back on rockets.
Unless we find literal veins of gold or silver, there's really nothing on the moon that's worth the cost of shipping it to earth. Lunar resources are for building shit in space, because it's cheaper than sending up materials from earth.

>>12792826
yup. it will be shitty. it will be hard work. some will get very rich, many others will go broke trying. many people will die.
that's what being a frontiersman is. you want a cosseted life, stay on earth.

>>12792880
>>fully dependant on the US government to stay alive
>>free from (((them)))
>Pick one.
Both can be picked. I mean, there's no journalists on Mars, right? Just accidentally kill the long noses and anyone who supports them.

>>12793149
Not even, it's just more economical to buy them from China rather than start up new mines. Same thing happened between the USA and the USSR with titanium.

>>12793157
We don't need new rare earths mines in the US, we have plenty of closed ones already.

>>12793008
>colony full of 18-30 year olds
would last 5 minutes.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasa-needs-to-rename-the-james-webb-space-telescope/
>The successor to the Hubble honors a man who took part in the effort to purge LGBT people from the federal workforce

>>12793167
Why?

>>12793144
Depends what happens, if anything starts venting without a teather you aren't going to have a good time.
Even if you only gain 0.1m/s away from the shuttle you could easily end up being centrifuged apart at 100 rpm.

>>12793149
>nothing on the moon that's worth the cost of shipping it to earth
That is why I pointed out rail launch could get Earth return with aerobraking meaning no thrusters at all required for return.

>>12793157
I worked in an Australian titanium mine nearly a decade ago and they had been processing mineral sand for 5 years without selling any because the price had been surpressed so hard.
They were talking about opening a smelter on site for the added value to make it more profitable.

>>12793168
based

>>12793168
inb4 a multiple year delay over a name change

>>12793167
It would be like most of human history.

>>12793168
wtf i love the jwst now?

>>12793012
What happens if you blow the dust away from the colony perimeter when building a base? Can you even do that?

>>12793178
That was mostly due to large amounts of child deaths.

I'm not sure why so much of the criticism around SpaceX and Starship is focused on the feasibility (or lack thereof) of Mars colonization. If Starship can get people there as advertised, it'll be a transformative technology regardless of whether Mars actually turns out to be a good destination. There'll be a massive buildup in orbital infrastucture just a side effect of launch costs dropping and the capability to deliver a hundred tons to orbit every single launch. Mars is a nice bonus, but economically the real meat is in Earth orbit. I expect tourism and asteroid mining to grow pretty organically from that. AFAIK there's entire groups of materials (fiber optics, metallic glasses, monocrystalline materials, etc) that can only be manufactured in microgravity that are potentially worth the investment to build a dedicated space station. Likewise if you're a billionaire and can get an orbital hotel with your name on it built for a few billion bucks, *why not do it*? And we're not even talking about then possible shit militaries can do with this kind of launch capability.

I can absolutely understand why some people think Mars bases are a dumb meme, but surely you see that Starship helps with EVERYTHING space related?

>>12793149
if we have a shortage of some rare earth element it could become economical to mine it on the moon. but that's a big if

>>12793171
you're right, but that's really the only threat with those things. surely NASA had some emergency shutoff system in place for this exact situation

>>12793171
Leafs still have you beat. They've been pulling sulfur out of shale oil and made gigantic step pyramids of it. If it wasn't too far to ship to civilization, it could crash the sulfur market.

>>12793170
because most people under 30 are utter retards simply due to immaturity.
>>12793178
now isn't most of human history.

>>12793149
>they're not rare
Have fun extracting them even if there was no laws redditscience.jpg
They certainly are everywhere but there's still few places it's economical to do without processing a few tonnes of dirt for a gram or two.
Now bow down to your Chink overlords who keep those brushless motors in renewables rolling,

>>12793181
You did see the part about "static cling", right? It gets on fucking everything. And how thin do you think it is? It's the result of billions of years of meteors smashing into the surface. It's not like a little dust on a bookshelf.

>>12793187
Yeah now is cancer

>>12793186
that's actually insane

>>12793170
the fact you have no idea why speaks volumes

>>12793186
I really want to throw a flare on that.

>>12793186
They should make temples to Marduk and Ba’al out of it

>>12793186
Imagine the smell

>>12793177
they have to change over the paperwork. that alone will take 6 months to repair the printers and get the high-grade office paper contracts through

>>12793202
What's cool (and scary) is the pools of blood red shit on it if you zoom in on Google maps. I suppose it might be from rain. Still weird to see bright yellow sulfur turning blood red.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewfrancis/2015/06/11/the-problem-with-naming-observatories-for-bigots/?sh=12d38954695b

>Webb wasn't alone in persecuting LGBT people: it was government policy, just another brick in the closet wall. And Webb's NASA in the '60s wasn't a bastion of equality.
>Women were deliberately excluded from being astronauts, with some male astronauts like John Glenn actively testifying against their inclusion
>Webb also aided with the fallout over NASA rocket engineer Wernher von Braun's Nazi past, including his role as an SS officer.

>>12793184
People have been struck dumb by the idea of Mars either pro or con. You are right Starships biggest contribution will be in easy access to leo rather than any fanciful colonizatoon dreams, but right now people are still just attacking or supporting a red herring. I think when we see a starlink launch or too people will step back and look at starship as a leo platform.

>>12793184
It’s a retarded criticism. It’s like how most people who criticize Starship don’t say that it’s impossible, they just say that it’ll be more expensive than planned. Everyone knows Starship will happen and will do cool shit they’re just looking for reasons to hate it

>>12793219
New Glenn is a BIGOT rocket. LMAO

>>12793214
i bet they still use the printers with the perforated holes running down the side of the paper. the ones that sounded like a cnc mill at full chat.

>>12793222
WTF I love Blue Origin now? BASED BEZOS

>>12793219
Now I like that telescope

>>12793219
>This article is more than 5 years old.
Are you just googling "James webb racist rename" for articles to rage about?

>>12793219
Starship is a reference to Startrek, for whom one of the director was ousted as a bigot.

SPACEX CANCELLED

>>12793219
>2015
Now your just looking for reasons to be angry anon

>>12792808
There. I made a meme of your post, enjoy

>>12792634
God's throne is in outer space.

>>12793233
What's he gonna do when there's no nobodies left on twitter to rage about?

>>12793168
ok, can we cancel apollo too because LITERAL NAZIS

>>12793239
god shits in space? does he use the fabric of time as tp?

>>12793233
What else is he gonna do when there's no nobodies left on twitter to rage about?

>>12793184
I like discussing long term plans for man's journey to the stars because I find it an interesting thought experiment.
Starship will revolutionize rocketry and space transport if it works as planned, great for humanity but much less interesting to discuss as I think we all agree on that.

>>12793240
turn middle age, become a bitter surburban woman and start reading the daily mail.

>>12793248
>as I think we all agree on that
nah sfg is at it's best when discussing engineering. one of the best threads was when one anon asked for opinions on the shuttle to do with a college paper he was writing. it was a quality discussion from start to finish.

>>12793260
The shuttle is much more controversial than Starship because it killed several great programs with the promise of cheap LEO and ended up costing more while being less capable.
t. Saturn MLV gang

Pick your poison /sfg/, you are caught by a mysterious person and he will spare your life if you choose one of the following:

A: Be smuggled onboard either the Challenger or Colombia space shuttles. You dont know the year/date.

B: Be strapped on top of SN10 but with enough rope to get down.

C: Be smuggled onboard the first manned Starliner flight.

>>12793155
So edgy

>>12793271
it's controversial for a thousand reasons, that being one of them.

>>12793281
B. 6-7 minutes is enough to get down from a 50 meter water tower and run away if your life depends on it.

>>12793281
C. yes >boeing but it still has 40 years on the shuttle and isn't an alpha prototype grain silo.

>>12793281
A. Those have better track records than I trust the Starliner will have, and I'm too beta to stay calm and climb down in time.

>>12793186
>If it wasn't too far to ship to civilization, it could crash the sulfur market.
Puts it in hilarious context when the Isaac Arthurs handwave moving 10^fuck tons of material across the solar system as a non-issue.

>>12793281
C
No matter if I live or die Boeing has a lot of questions to answer and will have ITAR probes gapping every hole for months while even the most brought congressmen have a hard time defending them.
If I have to risk my life to kill oldspace so be it.

>>12793297
>just mine the entirety of mercury lmao

>>12792661
This space walk is getting pretty spooky lads

>>12793310
How so?

>>12793312
Its really dark and the feed is flickery and glitchy and there is a green light sometimes, just spooky idk

>>12793281
I'd go with any of them to be honest. C might actually be the safest, A would be fine, B would suck and would probably still kill you
>>12793284
He was right though

>>12793310
Fuck you for making me check it and seeing the comments, humanity was a mistake.

>>12793322
fuck you for making me look too. i despair.

>>12793322
NASA comments are always trash

>>12793322
>Comments are turned off
What was the comments?

>>12793354
Check the live chat (if you dare)
The people spamming COCK are based though lmao

>>12793354
A mix of flat earthers, people convinced if you let go of the ISS you fall to earth and people generally having no idea about anything while being extremely opinionated.

>>12792728
Maybe it has something to do with the tom cruise movie they want to shoot in space?

>>12793380
lol based NASA squeezing hollywood

>/biz/ is claiming hat Elon died

>>12793386
>believing /biz/
They are probably just trying to get a flash crash on Tesla for easy money.

>>12793386
Naaaaaaaaah

>>12793386
Would you like to buy some publicly owned bridges, son? Very cheap.

Oh I just realized something, Ansari might have taken Garver's seat as a tourist which has led to Garver being salty toward Musk's success.


>Garver was born in Lansing, Michigan on May 22, 1961, and she graduated from Haslett High School in Haslett, Michigan in 1979. In 1983, she earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science and economics from Colorado College. While working for Senator John Glenn from 1983–1984 she became interested in space, and went on to earn a Master of Arts degree in science, technology and public policy from the George Washington University in 1989

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anousheh_Ansari

>Anousheh Ansari (Persian: انوشه انصاری; née Raissyan;[2] born September 12, 1966) is an Iranian American engineer and co-founder and chairwoman of Prodea Systems. Her previous business accomplishments include serving as co-founder and CEO of Telecom Technologies, Inc. (TTI). The Ansari family is also the title sponsor of the Ansari X Prize. On September 18, 2006, a few days after her 40th birthday, she became the first Iranian and first female Muslim in space.[3] Ansari was the fourth overall self-funded space tourist, and the first self-funded woman to fly to the International Space Station. Her memoir, My Dream of Stars, co-written with Homer Hickam, was published by Palgrave Macmillan in 2010.[4]

>She is the CEO of the X Prize Foundation.[5]

>>12793386
Nah, he's good.

>>12793386
>today in the news
>excentric billionare elon musk has been found dead by suicide by gun to the back of the head while his hands were tied up.
>the police will do no further investigation
>in other news all spaceX assets are seized by the boeing&goverment and tesla is seized by jewish wallstreet bankers.

>>12793218
>What's cool (and scary) is the pools of blood red shit on it if you zoom in on Google maps. I suppose it might be from rain
Sulfur turns that blood red color when heated into liquid form.
Part of the process of pulling sulfur from shale oil involves lots of heat. Sulfur is removed while in liquid form, so you get buckets of blood red liquid sulfur at higher temperatures. Its likely being poured on top of the blocks in liquid form. When cooling the physical structures the sulfur atoms make change and when it solidifies, it changes back into its normal yellow color.
The element is pretty cool, it has pretty unique properties.

Reposting from last night. New legs spotted in dearmoon renders

>>12793386
Someone in /pol/ said they release fake death stories as threats. Is Elon getting dangerously close to the edge?

Do Russian astronauts ever EVA in US spacesuits, or vice versa?

>>12793411
Interesting idea. Sounds plausible desu

>>12793409
I wanted to ask how official these renders were. Did MZ outsource them to some Jap artist or did Elon greenlight the design?

>>12793233
>>12793235
Its actually been dug up again by someone. Probably because of Percy landing on Mars, lots of tourists started reading old science articles and some midget retarded trans xe/xhe pronoun autist got triggered and start screeching on r*ddit.

>>12793401

if reddit is saying its false, then it's probably true

>>12793417
Renders are never canon.

NASA nuked the chat hahah

>>12793411
>Is Elon getting dangerously close to the edge?
The minute he puts boots on Mars it's going to cause Oymageddon as the kikes realize their tricks don't work on a new planet where only those who work are allowed.

>>12793411
>>12793416
Sounds retarded.
/biz/ has been starting rumors to push prices since day 1, /pol/ has been retarded since /news/

BTW (((they))) don't want you to know about ARK.io, invest now.

>>12792870
I had some fun trolling her about Boeing, I thought some other folks might enjoy doing the same.

>>12793409
Still ridiculously small.

>>12793412

No, the Russians have their own suits that they have trained in. They dont put on each other suits because they work differently enough for them not to risk doing such a thing.

>>12793472
Makes sense, but what do people like Kate Rubins do? Train on a US suit in Star City?
Or train in Houston for some stuff and train in Russia for other stuff?

>>12793411
>Someone in /pol/ said

>>12793409
Those bumps have been in the renders for a long time.

The window is a lot more interesting: it suggests the naysayers claiming "HUUUR WHY NEED BIG WINDO WHEN YOU CAN USE VR GOGGLES INSTEAD!?" are consistently getting btfo and we'll get nice big panoramic view from each manned starship that actually resembles a window and not just a peephole.

>>12793492
>HUUUR WHY NEED BIG WINDO WHEN YOU CAN USE VR GOGGLES INSTEAD!?
has anyone, or more than one random on an obscure forum who has no input to the starship development team, ever said this?

>>12793492
ok but im more interested in talking about the landing legs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBuRVOc1d3U

>>12793503
nope. same thing with all the SpaceX stans crying how
>everyone said starship landing was impossible
lol who exactly? trolls dont count

>>12793297
>>12793306
There is a position of sensible thought between Autist Awther and brainlet crab bucketeers though. Mercury is extremely close to Sol, energy availability through solar power is huge. What you'd send to Mercury first is a pocket colony who's only product is factories, a factory-factory if you will.
At first most of these factories will just be built to produce more solar collectors and even more factories, this will lean heavily on automation but ffs automation is probably going to be pretty good by the time we consider establishing a permanent colony of Mercury. So on an so forth until your number of factories and number of power collectors has increased exponentially a couple of times. Then you switch over to producing factories of shit that you actually wanted from Mercury, use a spacegun to sling shit into a pickup position, ships can fall in system to arrive at the Mercury colony with some high ISP drive (fingers crossed they figure out how HDLT works and how to scale it) and leave again with ease using plasma magnet sails taking advantage of the close proximity of Sol.

So we're not talking about cracking Mercury down into it's component materials here to build a Niven Ring or anything, but nor are we being deliberately retarded by insisting that something which is already done on Earth (mass industrialization) is for some reason impossible to achieve elsewhere.

>>12793511
idk what a stan is. but yes the worst part of the internet these days are cunts taking a screencap of some tit having an opinion then posting it like it's a reality altering statement.
>look! this person shit an opinion that is wrong and/or different from an opinion you have! be angry!

>>12793511
Literally all the conventional wisdom doubted it.

>>12793524
never once have i heard from oldspace or nasa saying starship wont work. mostly radio silence. who exactly is considered conventionally wise?

>>12793503
It's actually quite prevalent in the more serious circles.

See statements about potential manned dreamchaser manned version design: no windows.

Windows are dangerous and why would we want them? They are heavy, useless, and difficult to make. Instead, we can just mount external cameras and watch through monitors, just like we do here on Earth!

>>12793509
hazey doesn't get the appreciation he should. to do the research on these old designs then go through the modelling and animation and get these comfy vids is nice.

>>12793530
I misread one of the earlier up-chain posts. I thought it was about landing Falcon. Hurp Durp.

Most of the conventional wisdom around Starship is that such a large, high performance rocket can't be affordable to build or operate.

>>12793532
starship WILL have windows and WILL be safer for it

>>12793532
>statements about potential manned dreamchaser manned version design: no windows.
that's... a different vehicle. you've inferred a load of stuff on top of a sentiment expressed by a few people opinionated on something totally different. and people itt have the cheek to say journalists are bad.

>>12793540
yeah, if you're thunderf00t

Is it true Elon Musk is dead? I heard there was a factory explosion and he hasn't beem heard from since.

>>12793532
you know why they said that? because there's never gonna be a fucking manned dreamchaser. hell, there might never be a cargo dreamchaser! SNC doesnt have the talent nor the will nor the capital to get anything done.

>>12793542
Just pointing out example of other teams making the hard decisions. The discussions about the big ass SS window are elsewhere and I'm not bothering to look for them.

If you have any illusion the space circles love windows - you are crazy. Even the crew dragon dropped some of them.

>>12793524
I don't think anyone that knew anything about rocketry doubted vertical landing, it's surviving reentry that makes it impressive. The Falcon 9 first stage surviving hitting the dense lower atmosphere at 2km/s is the thing most in the industry didn't think would happen.
As for Starship once again no one that knows even the basics things it can't be landed but many think it won't survive coming in at 7km/s and hitting the dense lower atmosphere ~ 5km/s.

I really hope they pull it off but I'm not 100% convinced it can be done with rapid reuse as the only things to survive it in the past have been capsules and the shuttle, one is designed for peak drag to slow it down fast and the other needed a shitload of work after each landing.

>>12793400
>another bid from another space tourist
Wait a minute... this couldn't have been Marcos Pontes, right? The current brazilian minister of science. The timeline fits, at least.

>>12793553
It wasn't factory explosion - leftover CH4 (highly potent and toxic greenhouse gas) pocket in a steel frame he was walking around in Starbase TX was ignited by blowtorches from metalworkers. Last I heard he was taken into a hospital due to shrapnel damage from the pieces flung during the explosion.
I don't think he's dead though and the various reports about heavy burns are really off-target. They probably mix the workers in the immediate vicinity of the toxic fuel tank and Elon who was reasonably safe distance away. We'll know more in a few days until then sell TSLA.

>>12793557
>>If you have any illusion the space circles love windows
the fuck are you on about? do you exist in a binary world where everything is either for or against? everyone either loves or hates windows? ffs mate.

>>12793540
>such a large, high performance rocket can't be affordable to build or operate
Nobody has been able to refute this fact

>>12793509
>The way that first stage starts flying after the parachutes have gotten it down to terminal velocity.

https://twitter.com/Cooper_Hime/status/1367861307928612879

>>12793568
my concern is even if they can pull off the high energy entries mechanically, and then incorporate a hab into that design - will any regulator crew rate it, given it's black zones where everyone dies is basically the entire flight profile.

>>12793581
The shitty random slow-mo's make it unwatchable.

>>12793568
There was quite a bit about the unfeasability of retropropulsive reentry, inadequate structural and payload margins, the unreliability of engines for relighting at critical moments, controllability... you name it, people scoffed at it.

>>12793577
The per-prototype costs of each Starship are very low, so they're on the right track, at the very least.

>>12793574
way ahead of you, i bought at 900 but i aint losing all my money, been selling like crazy as soon as it dipped to 500s, im losing tens of thousands!

>>12793581
buenardo

>>12793577
based, spacex fucking debunked, the stans are seething and suiciding

>>12793574
So was there actually an explosion or is this all bullshit?

>>12793587
Extremely doubtful. NASA will probably still use it for moon/ mars but the ascent safety profile means it'll launch unmanned for those missions. Dragon or Orion could dock in orbit to load the crew

>>12793587
FAA waver regarding informed consent is all that's needed. No further regulator is involved: NASA has nothing to do with it.

Unless the government decides to crack down on spaceflight with new laws and defacto ban it, there will be no problems whatsoever. In fact... due to the sheer number of flights of the vehicle, it'll probably be safer than the theoretical numbers involved in the traditional designs that fly once in a blue origin to actually try out their models.

Arguably, it might kill more people than then though. Rockets that fly tend to carry that risk, even if it is small.

>>12793601
there's cameras on the place 24/7. the internet would know if there was an explosion before first responders did.

>>12793581
cringe zooming and slomo

>>12793601
There was a minor methane fire when they were cutting the corpse of SN10, yes.

>>12793587
I think the big thing for man rating will be if they can get rid of the top header tank. If they can they could make a F-111 style crew cab that ejects from the second stage and comes down on chutes while the rocket lands.
If they can't their options are going to be very limited.

>>12793590
Sure but those are prototypes. I have no doubts about booster reuse. Super Heavy will be difficult but technically similar to F9 first stage reuse. The issue is lack of LES and heat shield reuse. Nobody knows if you can make a reliable enough system for multiple Earth reentries without total refurbishment

>>12793622
>minor fire
that killed tens of emloyees and more in critical condition. the fanboyism and denial in here is palpable

>>12793628
And that's the other big one people throw out there: "Starship can't be safe without a LES."

>>12793485
In fact, I pretty sure US and ESA astronauts still get basic training in Orlan, just in case. I remember seeing Orlan with NASA patch in one of the Roscosmos image dumps.

>>12793627
>gets on starship for flight to the moon
>in LEO
>since unlike in other rockets the earth-ascent only escape tower is not jettisoned, it misfires due to GCR raping a transistor somewhere

Fun.

>>12793605
and landing is worse than launch. remember retro landing on crew dragon? before they went with the far harder but more forgiving parachute sea landing? this is far worse than that.
>FAA waver regarding informed consent is all that's needed.
is that true or something the internet has said? for example could a new company making airliners just waive away everything if all passengers signed a form? i doubt it but am happy to be proved wrong.

>>12793632
which is technically correct for the exact same reasons as shuttle. and no, the second stage can't eject fast enough to escape a RUD with raptor engines

>>12793628
Agreed, I honestly had more faith in second stage turn-around when they were talking about active fuel film cooling. Now they are going with tiles I'm worried it'll be shuttle 2.

>>12793637
Instead of hitting the LES jetison button you hit the "mechanically break the LES fire circuit" switch, not a big deal.

>>12793631
nice evidence

>>12793639
Airliners have separate airline passanger legalities built up during the last 100 years.

For spaceflight you pretty much need daredevil consent "This can kill you by XYZ: sign if you agree".

Until new major regulatory changes are implemented that's all SX needs to fly (non-nasa) crew.

>>12793632
link the timestamp on a stream or shut the fuck up

>>12793652
What kind of retard gets their Starship news from a stream?

do we expect sn11 to fly this month? do we expect it to land?

>>12793652
Meant for >>12793631
sorry fren>>12793632

>>12793632
desu it can't. and not that magical "100% safe" shit. but the design is inherently risky. you're either strapped to a booster with no les and engines that couldn't get away with it if you tried, or you're terminal velocity and the only thing not making you a pancake is 3 engines.

>>12793648
the justice dept. is in the process of shutting elon's little shitshow down

>>12793644
Shuttle is a sidemount vehicle with SRBs never meant to leave Earth orbit let alone land on other worlds.

>>12793650
fair enough. but this thing still has less options than shuttle.

>>12793658
Is this satire, or are you fucked in the head

>>12793665
that's nothing to do with what he said.

>>12793637
That contract would be using SS as a lunar lander. Crew probably wouldn't launch on it without a redesign and something like this anon suggested >>12793627

>>12793647
Still, a private company can probably do tiles better and faster than NASA did with shuttle. Even if they can't, the cargo version would totally change our relationship with space

>>12793665
SS and Shuttle have the exact same safety profile on ascent. Any RUD would be total loss of crew. And no, you can't quality control away the possibility of in-flight failure

well sfg, I've known for a long time now that hullo lives not far from me in Marin, should I track him down?

Space-F (Fraud) is on its last leg (pun intended). Elon died hours ago, check r/EnoughMuskSpam. The Lemon Party is over, go home

>>12793409

>>12793679
great, another e-celeb ass sniffer to pollute these threads

>>12793679
kek, I live in Mill Valley actually, fuck me he's closer than I though. Maybe I'll hang around the local coffee shops until I see him.

also, this faggot really says he loves the diversity in oakland and hearing nigs shout "wakanda foreva", and then he conveniently moves to the whitest place in the Bay? I hate liberals so god damned much.

>>12793682
Janny Magnus, I have a question concerning your friend and co-poster, the darling of Reddit, Gaius Anonymus Faegot. Why does his head remain empty? Why does he not go home? His illegal shitposting is over. /sfg/ is long since on her knees. Why does he keep us brave posters from our discussions and memes?

For an entire week he has gorged himself like a faggot on (you)'s of bait and thereby made himself monstrously rich. WHY? Why does the ply the mob with earlythreads and furfaggotry and gaudy /pol/ posts? Why has he given (you)'s to every reprobate fool in this thread? WHY? I tell you why he does those things. He wants to buy himself a 4chan pass. He wants to destroy the /sfg/ general and rule /sci/ as a bloody Mod! That's why!

Therefore, I move that these faggot's posts in this thread be terminated immediately, that their IPs be banned, and for them to be recalled to /qa/ to answer charges of illegal shitposting, bait, faggotry and treason!

>>12793689
he's so based you can't comprehend it

>>12793674
>probably do tiles better and faster than NASA did
The biggest advantage they have in they aren't forced to sign refurbishment contracts before the first flight, if something is more expensive to reuse than to just scrap (looking at you shuttle SRBs) they will just scrap it.

Elon musk is dead Good riddance fuck capitalism

>>12793679
Oh, so you can be a creepy stalker?

>>12793672
>>12793674
I'll repeat: Shuttle and Starship are incomparable, different vehicles.

Even their flight profiles and the risks they may face during ascent are different. Landing is another thing.

Your obsession with ejection seats is silly: adding such a thing will not make it "safer", in fact it might do the opposite when you consider how the vehicle will be used. This is not a LEO capsule, and it's not meant to act as a LEO capsule.

NASA's wishes are irrelevant because unlike with the Dragon they are not involved with the project. They have Orion and SLS -perfectly safe systems with LES to boot tailor made for their astronauts. Funny thing is, if things go well for starship, there might be a lot of ex-astronauts willing to ride on such a dangerous vehicle.

>>12792971
thats curved glass, you must compensate for the curve proving the earth is actually a convex plain

>>12793700
what is this rumor?

>>12793704
>>Even their flight profiles and the risks they may face during ascent are different
explain. neither upper stage can get away from a shitting itself lower stage.
and no one has an obsession with ejection seats, these are valid questions to be answered when things inevitably go wrong.

>>12793012
what if we bombarded the moon with lots of tiny glass beads to sandblast the surface and turn that moon dust into nice smooth normal dust?

>>12793714
Saying that Elon died in a fire/explosion at Boca Chica. It's all bullshit of course. If there was an explosion one of the cams that runs 24/7 down there would pick it up.
Probably just hedgies doing some market manipulation on Tesla stock.

>>12793692
Also guilty of redditry, throw that into the pasta

>>12793714
/biz/ralites are trying to flash crash Tesla stock for free money, the rest of hte internet sees their bullshit for what it is proving once again WallStreetBets > /biz/

https://twitter.com/wapodavenport/status/1367889432674787330

>>12793724
He died when Starship exploded. SpaceX will probably go bankrupt within the month

>>12793704
>Even their flight profiles and the risks they may face during ascent are different
True. Shuttle could at some points during flight get away from the tanks if there was a problem , but this was a narrow window. The fact remains that both vehicles would lose crews if there was an explosion. Neither has a good enough safety profile to be launching dozens of people constantly. It was inevitable that Shuttle blew people up, and it's inevitable that Starship does the same with the current design. I'm much more confident they can get reentry down by just not having foam strikes

>https://twitter.com/DaytonCostlow/status/1367569258272731137
these COPVs are actually pretty big

>>12793715
1. There is no "lower" stage in the shuttle.
2. Liquid fueled stages experience conflagrations as the fuel must mix before they explode
3. ss should be able to separate from the booster at any time, something the shuttle couldn't because of aero problems
4. ss+sh will have extensive albeit operational history before they launch crew
5. Introduction of LES system introduces catastrophic failure modes for every other part of the flight envelope

Just a rough outline.

>>12793730
This happened with every RUD they've had

>>12793730
Good to know, especially since SN11 isn't even out of the highbay yet.

>>12793730
I like that getting these things done quickly is becoming business as usual.
>"Hey FAA, blew up another test prototype, thought you guys would like to know."
>"Ok let's just figure out how it popped and make sure all the pieces landed where you thought they would and that the deluge system is doing it's job, flight permit before next week."

>>12793737

>>12793735
>There is no "lower" stage in the shuttle.
full retard
>ss should be able to separate from the booster at any time
see above

>>12793731
Even if Elon died I’m sure SpaceX has enough inertia to keep moving

>>12793744
A COPV tore through here maybe?

>>12793735
>ss should be able to separate from the booster at any time
That seems like a tall order to me, especially if you're looking at a RUD on the first stage
>ss+sh will have extensive albeit operational history before they launch crew
This won't stop an explosion from occurring eventually

>>12792634
All these fags shitting on Starship when they don’t realize that having an abort system won’t save you on Mars ascent. Plus you can’t abort during the descent on both mars or earth.

>>12793735
>Introduction of LES system introduces catastrophic failure modes for every other part of the flight envelope
How so? Every manned LC except the shuttle had a range safety installed which is arguably much more "dangerous" than a LES.
If you short the ends of an igniter together the only way it can ignite is catching fire and at that point you migh aswell say carrying fuel for orbital manuvers is too dangerous because there could be a fire in the tanks.

>>12793754
I'm not saying Starship is a bad vehicle, just that launching crew on it is pretty sketchy. Cargo version is going to be more impactful and important anyway

>>12793754
These are usually just the artist's actual personalities though, since the characters are most often just their fucking self-insert.
Imagine living like this.

>>12793754
questions aren't "shitting on" things. and descent aborts are more of a worry than launch ones, so that needs an answer too.

>>12793766
You can’t send 100 people to mars on a dragon. Crew version will fly

>>12793692
Ave!
I really like the roman senate aesthetics that you guys got going around it.

>>12793754
that image hurts
it is very painful

>>12793745
You really don't understand the drastic implications side mounting has on the design.

>>12793752
RUD on the first stage.. Well it depends what kind. Engine failures, which should be predominant would be easy. By far the worst engine failure will be total thrust loss after take off. Arguably, undetected over pressure that pops the top ala MK1 midflight will not be survivable but that should be designed around and prevented.

As for the second point don't misunderstand: I'm not claiming it will not kill people. Every vehicle on the planet kills people including legs.

I'm just opposing the fags claiming shoving launch escape tower will somehow make the vehicle "safe".

In fact, I'm quite convinced SS will quickly ramp up the highscore, courtesy of the amount of people it can carry and the expected rate of flight.

>>12793772
On private missions, sure. Until it blows up a bunch of colonists and some southern senators use it as an excuse to shut the whole program down

>>12793754
Where a LES would work
>Earth accent
>Earth decent below 10km
Name any mission profile that doesn't have both of these.
>inb4 Mars 1 way
For that they are going to the refueling in LEO several times before Mars injection so you can send it up crewless and transfer crew from a LES equipt Sratship in LEO minimizing risk for no payload penalty.

>>12793186
If those are ever topped, they shall be the biggest finished pyramids ever built (they already are by volume). Which would make a nice tourist trap for FMM.

>>12793782
I hope you're right. I just don't want to see the whole thing fall apart under strategic scrutiny from congress if it isn't completely safe at first

>>12793783
Southern senators will play the Patriot card and support men on mars

>>12792887
The driving force behind humanity colonizing the galaxy: white flight

>>12793768
It’s very depressing

>>12793796
>tourists in the 28th century go to the alberta oil fields to see the Great Sulfur Pyramids
>this is a prime example of 21st century mass industry before industry was primarily moved off world

>>12793782
>You really don't understand the drastic implications side mounting has on the design.
shuttle couldn't abort because it was strapped to two fireworks and decoupling while they were still firing would have roasted the rest of the vehicle. after this there were escapes but no ones being fooled it would have worked.
starship couldn't decouple during ascent because it's either behind a huge mass like your moms ass that will shove it for a while, or whats behind it has exploded. the engines couldn't pull away from either situation and regardless the ship would be damaged so everyone involved would plummet to their death.

>>12793796
They couldn't top them because sulfur ungoes compression ignition from the weight ~30m deep.
t. worked in a sulfur mine and saw fire pulled out of the earth as oxygen rushed in

>>12793798
not if their states lose them contract jobs

>>12793774
We appreciate all romeposters here.

>>12793754
Red Dragon makes way more since logistically in terms of getting people to Mars. Starship will not be holding 100 people like sardines. It will be 25-50. Just shit out a ton of dragons to Mars

>>12793801
Don't worry Anon, I'm sure the new Star Wars comics will be good enough to tide you over.

>>12793813
retard

>>12793813
>6 months in a Dragon
I'll pass thanks, even a 100 person Starship would still have more room.

>>12793754
my sister and her husband , brutal

>>12793818
Use starship for cargo, use dragons for people. NSWR's for ferrying

>>12793824
You’re baiting right? NSWR is meme tech. And you’d need like 25 dragons launching on Falcon Heavy per synod that’s insane.

>>12793819
First manned flyby of Mars should be done with a crew of submariners. People who are used to living in confined spaces for months.

>>12793733
Wait, they're just using off the shelf COPVs designed for CNG vehicles?

Huh. Neat.

>>12793824
Zubrin's Nuclear Salt Water Rocket?

>>12793824
How much volume do you think a person eats and drinks in 6 months? How much pressurized volume is in a Red Dragon?

>>12793828
NSWR is the best chance we have

>>12793819
I'd fuck a sexy dragon girl for 6 months straight

>>12793744
>inspect the COPV every 36,000 miles
that's gonna get tedious on the trip to mars

>>12793833
imagine the smell

>>12793832
>>12793835
Don’t get all Isaac Awfuh here. NSWR is still decades away simply because politics

>>12793816
I meant it was depressing that those people exist not that I live like that

“Darth Vader” was a based comic tho

>>12793824
Use Starship for dedicated interplanetary ship/ space station. Use Dragon to get people to and from it. Use NASA descent/ ascent stage for Mars

>>12793828
>You’re baiting right
Why don't you show me why it's wrong as opposed to just calling it a meme. Musk has the ability to do everything I mentioned and not trying to human rate Starship will expedite everything. Land prefab inflatihabs down on Starship, or land printers down to automatically construct habitats. Land people in red dragons (you could even land dragons directly on the printed habitats) and use kilopower units for energy in conjunction with solar and wind farms

Is Starship capable of manned Venus flyby? Does it have enough fuel?

>>12793846
wat is more realistic?

>>12793833
Dragon has 9.3 cubic meters of space inside it. NASA says a person (according to Atomic Rockets) needs 17 cubic meters of space for trips longer than 6 months. Dragon is too small.

>>12793849
Still retarded

>>12793840
Every 3.2 hours relative to Earth, it's going to be shift work.

>>12793852
A fully refueled Starship in LEO can go literally anywhere in the solar system

>>12793855
nasa is overly conservative

>>12793851
You will need dozens of Dragons per synod. There’s no way SpaceX will spend that money if they could just fly Starship.

>>12793859
but can it come back without refueling?

>>12793855
Use a FERRY with multiple red dragons attached and inflatables for space. You don't want to sit inside a dragon the whole time, idiot. If you are bold you could ISRU print more space to your ship while in transit to Mars

>>12793831
space is hard.

>>12793554
>the 'virgin' dream chaser vs the chad vision enforcer

>>12793854
Not using NSWR. Chemical fuel + aerocapture is great as is.

>>12793861
17 cubic meters is the absolute limit they’re already worried about having 25 cubic meters per person on their “Deep Space Transport”

>>12793866
just do this with a starship. duh

>>12793878
Chud

>>12793871
cant we send amputee midgets since they need less food and space?

>>12793735
yeah, I personally wouldn't want to fly on ss+sh until it had done 100 launches total and had like 60ish successful landings back to back, with a few uncrewed flights of the crewed version. Ik, its being overly scared of nothing but that landing burn will always give me the heebie jeebies until they get it to a 99.9% chance.

accept starship for what it is: a heavy lift earth to leo vessel that will bring costs down substantially. what you decide to do with that technology is up to you.

>>12793679
Sprint towards him at full speed wearing all camo.

>>12793882
>amputee midgets in zero gravity with tiny RCS packs instead of legs and robotic arms
adorable I'll take ten

>>12793878
No the problem is trying to land on mars with a starship, NASA would never allow it for humans

>>12793882
Not really because unlike LEO where you don't really need legs you are going to want them on Mars.

>>12793887
Cant wait for the 18m starship

>>12793761
Activation during different phases of the flight including but not limited to:

>orbital maneuvers
>earth departure/orbital injection burns
>earth/mars/moon/titan descent
>mars/moon/titan ascent
>any prolonged stay in orbit or the surface of a celestial object earth included

Simply remember this: ejection seat/escape pod/whatever works on earth ascent only because that's the only place you can escape to. It's cool in the movies, but in reality it is not that practical for a vehicle that is not just meant to lug you into orbit.

>>12793797

That's not a matter of engineering - if political desire exists to ban it, then even if it is the safest system in the world and proven so with flight data and sheer numbers it won't matter as politics is never about truth, at least the immediately obvious one.
STS, for all its criticism, at least ramped up quite a bit of flights to test it out and see how it went. Imagine how safe it would have been with single digit flights! LOC estimates could be like those for SLS-Orion : 1/500 or so.

Is Orion twice as safe as Crew Dragon? Who knows.

The only defense for that polit bullshit is sufficiently powerful lobby faction to oppose the opponent's one.

Boing clearly can make fatal pajeet tier software for civilian airliners and get away with it - if spacex can pull off that kind of influence they can get away with anything even if they litter mars with corpses.

>launch Starship normally, refuel it in orbit
>launch Superheavy as an SSTO
>refuel it in orbit
>dock the entire Starship Superheavy stack in orbit
>ten bajillion m/s dV
why wouldn't this work

>>12793894
That's not what I'm suggesting. Just use Starship for you interplanetary habitat + tug. There's a lot of contract money to be had here

>>12793807
Did not know that. Thanks. Would make an awesome fire though FMM had it's share of fires...

>>12793894
Have you seen the current NASA plan for landing humans on mars? It’s just as insane.

>>12793901
it would be easier to just use two refueled starships with special nose adapters and a flip maneuver rather than developing special aerodynamics for super heavy

>>12793907
>It’s just Red Dragon
This unironically looks safer than “Star”ship

>>12793897
i think software engineers could put together a system that wasn't as dumb as you're imagining.

>>12793907
I really, really want to see them do this though

>>12793902
>Just use Starship for you interplanetary habitat + tug
use it for what it was designed for. putting shit in space. build what it puts there together then use that as your ship.
it's a cheap heavy lift reusable vehicle, like a truck.

>>12793730
>plane blows up minutes after landing and sitting on the runway on your private airstrip

>sir we need to investigate this

>>12793917
That’ll be 50 years dev time and $50 bil dollars for the first 10 years followed by $2 bil each successive year after that

>>12793917
They pussied out recently now they’re using HIAD which is an inflatable heatshield

>>12793901
It's actually not that dumb and there are fags out there doing math on how to get to Saturn in 'no time' with something like that...

>>12793871
does that 17/25 still apply when there are shared areas? because soldiers on a submarine / aircraft carrier certainly don't get that many private cubic meters. they get the volume of their bunk + locker. everything else is shared

>>12793919
It would be so much simpler to just build a manned version with radiation shielding and fling that to mars after it docks with a descent stage

>>12793897
>Activation during different phases of the flight
How? Have you ever seen a pyrotechnic igniter and do you understand how electric resistance heating works?
Short the ends together, it can't fire.
The only con is the weight and for LEO that isn't going to matter, for Lunar SpaceX is proposing a different design so you leave it out and tranfer crew from a LEO variant with it, for Mars you do the same.

>>12793905
Blew my mind the first time I saw it, big open pit mine with an escavator scraping at the wall, next thing there is smoke followed by fire shooting out the stone wall.
They took the sulfur they could shallow and went deeper for lead.

>>12793929
Their bunks are shared too lmao, they share beds and take shifts

>>12793774
the age of consent in space is the age of consent of what ever nation the space craft in question is registered in. This is how it works on planes and boats. The plane or boat or spaceship is a literal extension of the nation that launched it the way an embasy is.

Now, of note, many countries age of consent laws are covered by local sub-divisions of those countries with the overall law of the nation, if it exists at all, being a long ago neglected one reflecting ages of consent from previous times. So for example the american federal age of consent

>>12793910
>developing special aerodynamics for superheavy
Just put a cone on top. It's the standard 9m diameter, they've got spare cones sitting around.

>>12793929
>>12793935
Submarines have places to walk around in. 17 cubit meters is literally a 8 and a half foot by 8 and a half foot room

>>12793919
You already have the full system up and running, why build a second one?

>>12793930
not my take. gravity well craft are designed for pushing out of large objects and atmospheres as quickly as possible. space craft are designed for long term habitation and high efficiency. you launch on one, join with the other, then use the former to land again. one in all vehicles don't work (ironically) because of the kind of lift capacity that starship provides.

>>12793941
unironically just bring along VR headsets

>>12793929
You know just about ever floor panel is a sub has food under it right? Just because the area you can see is small doesn't mean that is all their is.

>>12793949
True and I think eventually Starship will be taking 100 people to mars thanks to VR but I seriously think people will still feel “restless”

>>12793956
nah. It'll be 30 max

>>12793942
because some stainless can welder together in mexico isn't the be all and end all of space transportation. i can understand what musk is doing, but there is plenty of room for things beyond what he is doing. thinking that spacex is it, and that there is no room for improvement or even that they should be expected to do it all, is naive at best.

>>12793956
of course they're going to feel restless, but there is no other choice. also how much food / water / air do you need for 100 people on a 6 month journey? I have doubts they could pack that all into a single SS

>>12793949
>>12793956
>sit in VR being anti-social for months before having to live under stress together for at least 2 years
This is why psych evaluations are important, they aren't going to want people that can be so docile.

>>12793966
The math says you’re right but if they want to bring the ticket cost down they’ll need a lot more people per trip

>>12793956
>Starship will be taking 100 people to mars thanks to VR
wut? seriously pls explain

>>12793976
Agreed, I think ~20 is a much more realistic number for Mars. I could see 100 for LEO and Lunar only.

>>12793976
NASA says a single person needs 900 kilos of food per year. So I guess for half a year it’s 450 kilos. 25 people that’s 11 tons, 100 people it’s 44 tons

>>12793987
Does that include water?

>>12792817
>>12792826
Frontierism always sucks, its always hard , it always ends up killing people and you have to carve a life for people. I think people forget how hard it was to colonize the world without technology. Mars is going to suck but it won't be as bad imo as the American frontier. Im 30 now if i was younger i would sacrifice my life to carve a future in space for my people but by the time they want me I will be too old. Maybe one of my kids if i have them will take up the position.

>>12793973
Of course there can be improvement. It's just that nobody's working on it.

I'll be curious to see how a system that surpasses starship's cargo capabilities around the solar system will look... and how much it'll cost.

>>12793978
>people are going to want to be in VR 16 hours a day
it's just for escaping the dullest parts of the do-nothing day. you're still going to be socialising when eating, in common areas probably playing physical games, talking, watching stuff together, etc. plus there is nothing saying the VR games need to be single player. imagine the starship VR LAN rust server or equivalent

Hey /sfg/ I just had an idea about maybe building an inflatable mini-station for starships, either just as a pure station or as an addon to make transits nicer. My drawing skills are shit, but I think it might have a use case for big launches of starships. It could be used to group up starships that are making transits from earth to mars so that you wouldn't be stuck with the same 30 people for the whole journey. Infact there would both be redundancy for all the systems, and it could be setup so that groups of 150 would already be formed when they would arrive.

So is there any usecase for this or am I just retarded.

>>12793990
Water isn’t that much. People drink a lot of water (500 kilos per year) but it can be recycled so who knows.

>>12793990
and redundant life support systems.... and spare parts....

>bugmen talking about VR again

>>12793997
I've thought about this.

It would be a good way to implement artificial gravity capabilities without radically changing the design.

Seems like they have a level arrangement in mind with the way they've placed the windows. I wonder why the last strip isn't spaced like the rest, a bigger room that isn't the giant room?

>>12793992
I’m 18 now. What can I do to settle the martian frontier? I’m in Pre-Med at my Uni with good grades at the moment.

>>12793996
>be in transit to Mars aboard my starship
>playing LAN VR minecraft with the whole ship
I want this future bros

>>12793992
>Mars is going to suck but it won't be as bad imo as the American frontier
How did you come to this conclusion? You know having air you can breath, water you can drink, plants and animals you can eat all while at temperatures people can handle kind of makes Earth easy as fuck right?

>>12793997
>>12794005

Can starships structurally withstand motion in that direction if its meant to spin?

>>12794005
I didn't even think about it spinning. I more just mean't it could be something cheap that you could use to maybe increase the survival rate of trips while also making it so that if one ships toliet dies, the ship isnt fucked.

>>12793997
You must have missed our old threads like 6 months ago where we autistically designed a Nautilus-X equivalent ferry to Phobos that could carry multiple starships. Also what the fuck is that handwriting, do you have parkinsons or something

>>12793994
>It's just that nobody's working on it.
that's the revolutionary bit. not that ss can get to mars or do whatever. that it can cheaply put tonnage in orbit. so that companies that could profit on it now can have access to literally different worlds. it's like going from the horse to the car, and think of all the things cars have enabled people to do. spacex is ford 100 years later.

>>12792890
Thanks for the reminder. Starts in 20 minutes
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>>12794006
Third class in the cargo hold. Second class in the lower decks. First class near the big ass window.
Me? In the cargo pods near the raptors.

>>12794012
My thinking was that it would be attached to the main starship on an axle, the way that the landing gear on a plane is attached to the fuselage. That way the centrifugal force isn't turning the starship and screwing everything up.

>>12793637
That’s crazy I had no idea that Dragon 2 can jettison a launch escape tower

is this art?