/sci/ - Science & Math

give titan and europa probe, NOT boring mars missions

>>12756277
Probe Uranus

Titan drone

>>12756264
/sfg/ required reading- "SLS: Is cancellation too good?"
>https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2021/02/24/sls-is-cancellation-too-good/
Audio version (~50min)
>https://soundcloud.com/user-277042869/slsblogrecording-m4a/s-M5kUbZ4acGT

>>12756264
Retard we SNX now

shhh

>>12756264
Good evening everyone

>>12756291
>is cacellation too good
What's she advocating, prosecution/investigation?
Because I'm not opposed.

>>12756301
It's technically morning tho

>>12756288
can an rtg powered drone fly on titan?

WHAT, STILL HERE? HAND IT OVER. THAT THING, YOUR MOUNTAIN DEW

>shiddle

this makes Europeans seethe

thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npF_VHtvHpw

ROCKETS ARE ARCHAIC AND ANCIENT TECHNOLOGY!

There are physics-based technologies available RIGHT NOW that were not available to Newton and ancient Chinese court sorcerers. It's time mankind stopped relying on ARCHAIC and PRIMITIVE explosions and GET WITH THE TIMES!

>>12756277
Bruh I’d much rather have this than >12756288 this crap. I’m free to debate anyone.

>>12756292
Jej remember when people said “Oh no way Starship passes the pressure test :)”

>>12756317
You mean Europærs

>>12756284
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v87k5KOYyG4

>>12756323
yeah sure use your nuclear whatever drive it still won't get past the firmament

>>12756323
Such as?

>>12756315
the transcript said uh oh but is that recording public?

>>12756312
Yes but not perpetually. A plane that could fly perpetually was rejected

>>12756307
>she
hehe

>>12756317
Ugh this shit is disgusting

>>12756353
>Casey
>boy's name
Weird, but point remains unchanged

>>12756354
Holy shit MS-17 has been up there a long time now that I think about it

>>12756301
I tip my space helmet to you, sir. A TOAST TO THE STARS

How do rovers penetrate the Firmarsament?

>>12756374
Okay but how does space travel work between a flat Earth and a flat Mars? Does Mars have its own sun?

>>12756374
Gumption, luck, and hypergolics

Am I the only one whose blood starts boiling when I see that stupid fucking chinese painting? Fuck. Well, by the time I get over this retard, I'm probably gonna be /fit/ enough to actually go to space.

>>12756374
rockets explode when they enter the dome

Enough fagposting.
What do we know about today's static fire? Was it just of the one replacement engine? All three? Thoughts?
Used to be we'd be talking about this kind of thing enough to warrant having a rolling general thread.

>>12756379
Actually it makes me smile. Even moreso because I know he's getting a rise out of you

>>12756374
We send armor piercing rockets.

>>12756391
...just before nsf cust the stream, all three engines were spotted with molten innards pouring out the bell. raptorrhea

>>12756391
>Enough fagposting.
>proceeds to fagpost
It was all three, and static fires have gotten mundane. Not that that's a bad thing. Flights are the thing we look forward to now. But pretty soon flights will get mentioned casually. Way she goes. It's what starship is SUPPOSED to be doing - normalizing all this shit like it should have been done with the shuttle in the 80's

>>12756391
Times have changed, old man

>>12752702 Previous thread since the OP fucking sucks

>>12756379
You hate me because you know I'm right. We are a doomed race of primitive apes.

>>12756392
>literally the original trollface comic's message being exemplified
What does he gain from making people like me seethe anyway? (you)s? But anyways, I'm actually planning to do something like pic related so I can actually get noticeable gains for once after exercising out of spite.

>>12756291
oof
>>12756307
I don't think he's being literal. But rather trying to stress just how horrific the program has been and continues to be, and how it causing national humiliation and/or tragedy is an inevitable outcome

>>12756391
Yeah because this shit's been talked to death. Not like anything novel is happening.

>>12756417
I am literally going to dedicate my life to helping colonize mars just to make your stupid three-chin doomer grin curl down into a frown. Mark my words.

>>12756404
>on-topic attempt at discussion
>fagpost
What's the purpose of these threads if not to discuss ongoing spaceflight related events?
Fuck you, this shitposting is /tv/-tier.
>>12756424
>waaah this spaceflight stuff is TOO BORING!
>c'mon, fly already! I wanna see exploooosions!

I guess I'll be back in the off-hours when you niggers are in your bare-mattress beds.

>>12756420
>ifunny.co

Static didn't look that good tbf

>>12756468
You know how I can tell? No Elon "success" tweet. Every time.

>>12756264
All FUDposters are NASA interns unless proven otherwise

>>12756496
obsessed

>>12756321
based filkposter

>>12756496
Based image

>>12756496
You're completely overlooking Ariane interns

>>12756313
gone homie

>>12756313
there goes my hero
watch him as he goes

>>12756533
Do Arianebros really-

>>12756563
blue is the color of weaklings. no surprise euros love it

>>12756496
are enbies the next frontier of breeding companions? i need one when i go into space. a breeding companion... not an enbie, maybe?

>>12756570
>not impregnating the axlotl tank attached to your rocket

>>12756569
Yes, CNES, Ariane, ESA, EU. All of them have pure or majority blue symbols. Is it subconscious submission? Are they soft? (obviously)

Please don’t lewd the rocket ships

>>12756563
Is that a water tank?

>>12756582
how embarrassing

>>12756581
You just know once these things have proper names and are flying on a regular basis someone's gonna turn them into rocketship girls then lewd them.

>Boeing was once synonymous with innovation, elite achievement, and flawless execution

>With this enviable legacy built up over decades of hard work, Boeing jealously safeguarded the institutional knowledge that they had hard won. Right?

>No. They bought out McDonnell Douglas, their previous competitor whose passenger aircraft had failed in the market due to questionable accounting decisions

>So naturally they installed this failed executive team at the top of their org, who then pushed out Boeing’s existing management, moved HQ to Chicago for no reason, stovepiped the organization, pushed about 10,000 experienced engineers and technicians into early retirement, embarked on the enormously ambitious 787 project, pushed design work out to ~50 subcontractors and acted surprised when this failed egregiously, in exactly the same way as it had for McDonnell before and Douglas Aviation before them.

>Boeing learned their lesson and rehired the sort of in house talent necessary to once again vertically integrate construction of advanced aircraft. Right? Of course not. Instead, they squandered billions in lobbying and regulatory capture, and then fumbled development on the 737 MAX (killing 346 people), F35 (not the prime), KC-46, Starliner, and SLS.
Boeing what the FUCK

>>12756585
too late

>>12756591
Where's the nose in all of this?

>>12756594
Thats other rockets, I'm talking about Starships themselves.

>>12756594
>tfw there is no slice of life anime about rocket-ship-girls

>>12756594
your mind makes it lewd

>>12756585
>>12756599
>40 year waifu flame war over who would make for a better wife
>the first starship to land cargo on mars
>or the first starship to land people on mars
imagine...

>>12756599
Rip SN8

>>12756594
I WANT TO FUCK THEM ALL, I WANT TO FILL THEM WITH MY CUM

>>12756601
>falcon 9 is a talkative tomgirl
>soyuz 2 is reserved and stern
>ariane 5 is high-class and pampered
>electron is smol and cute
>proton is drunk all the time

>>12756608
i want to see more boobi

>>12756617
>falcon 9
>tomgirl

>>12756622
im drunk, i meant tomboy

>>12756608
what about snine?

Anon, what is the one thing you can always go back to thinking about that reignites your love and longing for space flight?

For me it's space pirate radio :)

>>12756617
>Meet the Falcon 9 sisters
>v1.0 is petite qt and wears a sundress
>v1.1 is tall and wears skintight white yoga pants
>Full Thrust looks like v1.1 except she likes to play in the dirt and gets dirty a lot. She also has an explosive temper.
>Block V is their Mulatto half sister with frizzy black hair
>Starship is a volleyball player that’s 6’6 and he dyed silver hair

>>12756617
Meet the Falcon 9 sisters
>v1.0 is petite qt and wears a sundress
>v1.1 is tall and wears skintight white yoga pants
>Full Thrust looks like v1.1 except she likes to play in the dirt and gets dirty a lot. She also has an explosive temper.
>Block V is their Mulatto half sister with frizzy black hair
>Starship is a volleyball player that’s 6’6 and has dyed silver hair

>>12756621

>>12756377
Theres a universal flat plane that the discs exist on. Gravity univerally pulls down, so everything travels in parabolic arcs. like hopping from one lilly pad to another

>>12756650
What a fucking slut

>>12756656
How long until we get aeromorph starships

>>12756658
Is the Luna flat? What about Ceres? At what size does an object become a disk?

>>12756664
She is the only orbital rocket that isn't a virgin

>>12756656
>not the green version

cool

>>12756665
>>12756666
who are we to say?

>>12756670
>the Luna

>>12756642
Going to Atomic Rockets aka Rocket Hub

>>12756680
bull crap

>>12756678
here u go

>>12756670
>the Luna

>>12756686
>man in the moon

>>12756608
>>12756656
>>12756665
>>12756695
>>12756695
This is why I love the internet

>>12756599
the perfect starship waifu

>>12756642
SFGfags I urge you to watch this video from 1990. It has Robert Zubrin talking about Mars Direct but more than this he talks about setting up a colony of thousands on the surface of Mars before the 2030s.

>Blue Origin drops massive press release of the rocket about to absolutely btfo everything
>/sfg/ = crickets
I did this for you guys. I left Amazon and I FORCED them to make a press release. I get no respect here

>>12756716
What press release?

>>12756715
>>12756642
Ah shit I’m stupid here’s the link
>https://youtu.be/vD3U0QcEYXs

>>12756716
>of the rocket about to absolutely btfo everything
Didn't they just push the first flight back beyond Starship's anticipated first orbit? New Glenn is a reusable Falcon Heavy competitor, which is cool, but Falcon Heavy is a generation old now.

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/virgins-sir-richard-branson-told-5038420

As much as I hate Virgin Galactic and think that their spaceports will be wasted anyway from more years of delay, this is bullshit. I can see not funding VG but why would you flat out ban them from using your spaceport?

>The leader of Cornwall Council has poured cold water on the suggestion that space tourism could operate from Spaceport Cornwall.
>Cllr Fitter then drilled home his thoughts on the matter adding: "If we were to entertain this it would be quite ridiculous and send out the wrong message to those people in Cornwall who could possibly be suffering on below the minimum wage and in poverty and allow people who have got vast millions of pounds to spend to up to space for half an hour and come back down again.
>"It would send out the wrong message, Cornwall is not about that."
>Cllr German agreed and said that it would also conflict with the council's work to tackle climate change and to become carbon neutral.
>He added: "it would send out the wrong message to the residents of Cornwall."

>>12756721
https://www.blueorigin.com/news/new-glenns-progress-towards-maiden-flight
it's under 10 sentences, no press kit. I made sure it was brief since you have no attention span

>>12756716
I see nothing about a rocket...

>>12756724
>Q42022
Q42022

>>12756734
>The current target for New Glenn’s maiden flight is Q4 2022.
Holy shit it's worse than I thought. Starship will fly commercial payloads before New Glenn flies at all.

>>12756734
>Q4 2022
So 2023?

>>12756264
So hop tomorrow or on Monday?

>>12756749
Monday at earliest

>>12756722
watching this awhile back made me realize how absolutely crystalized mars direct is to zubrins. he still to tgis dayvrepeats some of the phrases in this presentation, verbatim. really is a sad, broken record. his dreams were crushed and the trauma has lasted multidecades. his whole life wasted away

>>12756291
Based

>>12756727
>build spaceport in Cornwall to make Cornwall relevant
>refuse to let spacecraft fly from Cornwall
>Cornwall remains irrelevant
Oh no! Anyways...

>>12756740
>three videos posted today
holy shit blue is on fire, bezoz really whipping them lately

>>12756751
>and then on top of the external tank, a hydrogen oxygen upper stage
haha yeah that sounds easy and like it has a high TRL, should by flying by 2000!

>>12756749
Q2 2021

>>12756437
Almost everything with that watermark is 4chan OC. We had a thing back in the day for putting that watermark on stuff

>>12756594
Needs the Shuttle-girls. Columbia and Challenger would be ghost-girls. Endeavour, Discovery, and Atlantis would have their own theme about them, and Enterprise (the non-orbital test article), would also have her own thing going on.

>>12756722
He's so young, bros. But he still sounds the same.

>>12756750
Not really.

what do you guys think? Will SN10 be successful?

https://www.strawpoll.me/42702452

>>12756423
response was to this
>Scott Manley (for sure) and probably even Tim Dodd would mostly disagree with this article. If we kill the SLS, we have nothing to replace it, not now and not in 10 years, and a big part of the costs have already been spend. Also the author don’t seem to realize how expensive options like SpaceX are to NASA (go watch the latest Thunderf00t videos), even though the Falcon is a much less capable rocket that they build in relatively high quantity. Let’s be honest, a super heavy rocket built by SpaceX would still be a $2G machine. But less reliable.
lmfao it reads like an /sfg/ troll post

>>12756773
>your brain on e-celeb

>>12756773
Insane

>>12756770
I really don’t know. SN8 showed issues and SN9 fixed them and showed other issues. It could fail who knows mang. As long as they get good data and smooth out Starship more I’ll be happy. Although I really wish it landed.

>>12756757
>>12756764
Keep watching its kino. I also recommend Elon’s first BFR/Starship/formerly ITS presentation from 2016
>https://youtu.be/H7Uyfqi_TE8

And if you want some music
>https://youtu.be/_kPDJQBtHaY

Lastly bro’s I’m making a colony of 160-200 kerbals on Duna. Pic related. Where can I post my progress? I have hundreds of pictures right now. The base currently has only 32 members and I’m doing it as realistic as I can while being 100% stock (no DLC, even).

>>12756773
>go watch the latest Thunderf00t videos
You mean the video where blunderf00t used made up plots, ignored given SpaceX values, accepted SpaceX competitor values with no question, and ate up the false accusation that SpaceX is price dumping?

Previous: >>12752702

>>12756795
Thunderf00t is literally just trolling everyone for views if you can’t tell that he’s memeing you’re gullible as fuck. He’s like Nikocado Avocado but for nerds

>>12756773
this reads like the ramblings of an abused girlfriend

>>12756804
if you watch his covid videos, you'd be surprised how stupid he is. im not convinced it's just trolling. also that one time he was streaming and compared dcx to landing an orbital booster. and said F9 is just redstone running on methane. dude might be seriously braindead

>>12756804
>h-he's just pretending to be retarded
Still waiting for your dad to get back from his smoke break?

>>12756811

>>12756816
The Redstone was a direct derivative of the V2, and used the same tankage and engine but upgraded

>>12756722
martin marietta had a moon and mars initiative??

>>12756734
oh nononono absolute state of BO.

>>12756817
if this is true, based

>>12756734
tfw they havent said shit about new glenn for YEARS
>finally breaks silence
>it's a couple paragraphs crying about how they had to delay because the gooberment didnt give them a contract
boo fuckin hoo

>>12756811
>and said F9 is just redstone running on methane
i knew he was retarded but holy shit

>>12756824
>”Redstone was a direct descendant of the German V-2 rocket, developed primarily by a team of German rocket engineers brought to the United States after World War II. The design used an upgraded engine from Rocketdyne that allowed the missile to carry the W39 warhead which weighed 6,900 pounds (3,100 kg) with its reentry vehicle to a range of about 175 miles (282 km). Redstone's prime contractor was the Chrysler Corporation.”
>”The third Redstone flight on 5 May was a total loss as the engine cut off one second after launch, causing the rocket to fall back on the pad and explode. After this incident, Major General Holger Toftoy pressured Wernher von Braun for the cause of the failure. The latter replied that he had no idea, but they would review telemetry and other data to find out. Toftoy persisted, asking "Wernher, why did the rocket explode?" An exasperated von Braun said "It exploded because the damn sonofabitch blew up!"
>”Von Braun pressured the ABMA team to improve reliability and workmanship standards, allegedly remarking that "Missile reliability will require that the target area is more dangerous than the launch area."

>>12756828
Why is SpaceX the only company that has to prove itself before being handed a contract? Seriously the amount of tax dollars wasted because they give it to companies who promise but never deliver is insane.

>>12756841
it is odd

>>12756841
Are you saying they should put RESULTS over RHETORIC

>>12756791
I'm feeling good about SNX after that clean static fire. But I don't want to get my hopes up either.
>Where can I post my progress?
I think if would be fine if you posted a few here. People do that from time to time. On /vg/ there's an "Engineering Games General" that includes kerbal, though I don't know anything about the place.

>>12756841
spacex is ruining their comfy oldspace club so they only give them shit if they absolutely have too

HOP
WHEN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlHPVep-2K8

>>12756740
Blue Origin is working to develop and lease out ground-based infrastructure to support space launch operators. They're not seriously planning to send rockets into orbit themselves.

>>12756862
I’d say Monday but expect delays. Pls work SN10. Pls.

So those Raptors are kill right? Anyone have a screenshot of them dripping molten goop

>SN10 STILL has not launched
What the fuck

>>12756872
>SLS STILL has not launched
What the fuck

>>12756837
>”The third Redstone flight on 5 May was a total loss as the engine cut off one second after launch, causing the rocket to fall back on the pad and explode. After this incident, Major General Holger Toftoy pressured Wernher von Braun for the cause of the failure. The latter replied that he had no idea, but they would review telemetry and other data to find out. Toftoy persisted, asking "Wernher, why did the rocket explode?" An exasperated von Braun said "It exploded because the damn sonofabitch blew up!"
Elon really is the best rocket development manager we've had since then, isn't he?

>>12756867
Lease out the one pad they have, which they have on lease from the state?

>>12756291
>whether it is allowed to inflict humiliation and tragedy on the US public, who so richly deserve an actual legitimate launch program run by and for actual technical experts.
No they don't. They wanted politicians to send contracts and jobs to their districts, and that's exactly what they got.

>>12756875
Well you see, the Space Shuttle has already flown. So by extension, the SLS has already flown. And by extension, all those who work on the rocket are well-trained and well-prepared. And by extension we need a couple of more billions of dollars for this 2022 launch that was supposed to happen in 2016 but got pushed to 2017 and that is why 2018 is the best year for a 2019 launch for our 2025 rocket. How does this guy who smokes pot beat us?

>>12756323

>>12756887
I'm willing to admit I learned this from what I think was the Disney Channel back in the early 2000's

>>12756868
I feel good about its chances. Nine was cursed from the beginning.

SLS, Vulcan, New Glenn. What order will they launch

This may have been talked about already but BlackSky is going public via a SPAC. Current ticker symbol is SFTW and it's valued at around 1.5 billion.

https://www.gim-international.com/content/news/blacksky-to-enter-nyse-through-merger-with-osprey

I'm on the fence about it but I'm at least bullish short term. On one hand it's valued at over half of Maxar with a fraction of the revenue over the next few years but small sat imagery constellations could end up being cheaper and having better revisit rates than constellations with larger satellites like WorldView Legion. BlackSky appears to have a better system for accessing data and analytics as well but they're also less vertically integrated than companies like Maxar as they only own 50% of the company that makes their satellites.

>>12756903
Vulcan>SLS>New Glenn
SLS will RUD though

>>12756897
Nine would’ve made it if it had SN8’s engines. You know SpaceX is close. At this point it’s inevitable they make it the question is when

>>12756880
>Grift intensifies

>>12756875
Following in the big footsteps of America's spaceflight heritage demands the most meticulous and exacting standards of work, which in turn demand adequate time. The days of aggressive schedules and fighter jet jockeys riding unproven tin cans are long past. We can't just bang steel into rockets in a shed.

>>12756914
Is Centaur a meme? Could we even build an Agena today? I feel like Vulcan Agena would at least be cheaper than the Vulcan Centaur meme

>>12756928
>A Congressional investigation in June 1962 called the overall management of the Centaur program "weak," and Wernher von Braun recommended that it be cancelled in favor of a Saturn I with an Agena upper stage for planetary missions. The Congressional committee was headed by Representative Joseph Karth (D-Minnesota), who expressed his opinion that Centaur was a useless project.
Ugh NASA is so bad at what they do, it is astounding. Wernher is rolling in his grave

>>12756914
This. I think it's more likely though that SLS will pull an Apollo 6 than have a spectacular RUD.

>>12756722
His enthusiasm and drive, eternal

>>12756740
Massive over built buildings lol
Probably spent more on infrastructure than on building their rocket

>>12756754
They didn’t build anything other than a website

>>12756935
Imagine lying on your death bed knowing your life's work will be left in the greasy hands of Amerimutts.

>>12756754
> Cornwall is poor
> Refuse big spending infrastructure and economic growth because Cornwall is poor
> Cornwall stays poor
Infallible logic

>>12756849
>>12756850
Yes
>>12756854
>only give them shit if they absolutely have too
Which already should be every contract minus the ones rocketlab and ULA received

>>12756935
What would’ve happened if Saturn IB took over the role Atlas and Titan did?

>>12756872
>>12756875
Literally a week of bad weather is the reason why

>>12756922
i like your post

>>12756956
It would have cost a fuck load, but looked cool as all get out and never failed once.

>>12756734
Wonder how much they’ve spent leasing the LC36 without launching lol

>>12756953
Poverty is better than letting degenerate Americans in

>>12756872
they were busy cryotesting the entire facility for a week anon, give them a break

>>12756967
and bezos wanted Historic LC39A instead lmao, he was crying he couldnt have it abd spacex snagged it instead.

>>12756734

>>12756722
>shuttle derived launch vehicle

And he’s been pushing this scam for 30+ years

>>12756981
2023
>2023

>>12756990
lmao

>>12756981
>>12756980
Blue Orgin hasn't produced shit. Their rocket is coming out when starship should already be flying so wtf is their plan? To remain irrelevant?

>>12756981
>>12756990
is this shit real? am i in a simulation?

>>12756773
>lmfao it reads like an /sfg/ troll post
That just means /sfg/'s ironic shitposts are closer to reality than official government documents are these days.

>>12756996
They're gonna be nothing more than a laughing stock for the rest of the decade as company after company overtakes them.

>>12757000
It's real yeah
>>12757001
Our good shitposts turn into reality a lot of the time kek

>>12756773
>NASA JPL Engineer writes scathing article on SLS
>B-BUT MY FAVORITE E-CELEBS DISAGREE

>>12756989
You can tell this was made by a normie who watched Shuttle launches and only understood VentureStar as "shuttle 2" because the exhaust looks like Shuttle SRB plumes instead of hydrolox exhaust.

>>12756773
I'm laughing out loud at this hahahah

>>12757020
SRB venturestar when?

OH NO NO NO-

Blue origin isn’t even going to bother building test vehicles to hop

Nor is their vehicle cheap enough to destructively test like SpaceX is...

How INSANE is it that they brag about spending a billion fucking dollars dicking around with an existing leased launch site

>>12757038
Is it even worth pointing out how wrong this is?

Did anyone else not know who the fuck casey handmer was two days ago? I've been able to get the gist of who he is and what his blog is about and stuff, but I don't want to lie and say I knew of him this whole time. Was it just one anon who found the blog recently or was he well known and I am just retarded. And don't lie

>>12757035
>SSTO spaceplane with internal SRBs
That... might actually have enough thrust to work? It'd need to have a pretty beefy orbital maneuvering system, but with solids you've got the mass/volume budget for a couple of RVacs or some beefed up Apollo CSM variant AJ10s. I guess the only failure mode is the general lack of an abort mechanism, but with the solids internal to the spacecraft you don't have to worry about the O-ring problem the Shuttle had and can do single castings.

SOMEONE FUND IT.

>>12757038
sounds like a disgruntled NASA employee

>>12757055
Even if it works, any spacecraft that restricts you to LEO is dumb in the 21st century. The base minimum should be Moon and or Mars landing and returns. This ship could refuel but you would still have an internal SRB sitting in there the whole time which would suck

>>12757054
he has kinda flown under the radar for most. I dont post his links often, but his articles on Mars industrialization were insightful. I've know about him for a couple years

>>12756264
>>12756181
actually it is believed to likely have good mineralization and energetic environments from undersea volcanoes caused by the tidal pull of jupiter

>>12757073
If you were the first anon to post him then you have gifted us a goldmine. The comments are batshit crazy and the articles are genuinely based

>>12757042
You're the guy telling everyone to stop buying gamestop because you didn't get in under $40 per share

>>12757069
>Even if it works, any spacecraft that restricts you to LEO is dumb in the 21st century.
No, it would be a true space shuttle, akin to ferries that spend their whole lives working a specific short range route back and forth. Once you can just yeet hundreds of tons a week into orbit for final LEGO-ing together, it stops making sense to need single-vessel-to-everywhere spacecraft outside the -specific- niche of a Mars colony boat, which Starship is already fulfilling about as well as possible for a chemical rocket.

>>12757038
What is this on?

>>12757083
Ah I gotcha. Like the original shuttle proposal-type deal? Where you have dedicated shuttles and tugs?

>>12756291

> For Earth-launched rockets with conventional propellants, 2 or 3 stage rockets can deliver more mass to LEO than the Shuttle’s “stage and a half” design, so the addition of a second stage should see the performance increase to around 200 T to LEO.

How does a 2000 ton vehicle get 200 ton to orbit regardless of how you stage it lol
Silly comment by this guy

>>12756897
>cursed
I wonder what kind of spaceflight superstitions we will get, kinda like what they had in the Age of Sail. Shit like eating peanuts prior to landing.

>>12756327
>Jej remember when people said “Oh no way Starship passes the pressure test :)”
those were the dark times

>>12757087
see >>12756291

>>12757088
Yes, exactly, the full original STS type architecture was a good one.
>Earth to LEO shuttles
>LEO transfer/refueling stations
>nuclear inter-orbital fast movers
>LEM type landers for airless rocks
That covers everywhere in the solar system except Mars, Venus (lol), or trying to descend into the atmosphere of a gas giant (lol) to mine them.

>>12757053
Yeah, tear him up

>>12756327
>I’m free to debate anyone
A drone is arguably way better than a methane lake lander. It can fly around - all over the Moon - and snap a bunch of cool photos. Hell they might even fly it over the lakes once it reaches its extended mission and nears its end of life just because they can be more risky. A methane lander would be so restricted and the photos would be dull after the first month of snapping the same landscape

https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_spt.jsp
>SPACE-X STARSHIP ROCKET LAUNCH SCHEDULED TODAY FROM BOCA CHICA,
TX.

>>12757077
Not just global warming, but RUNAWAY global warming!? The type that bade Venus into hell?

Seems not even this guy's immune to left wing schizophrenia.

>>12757105
Wait be a little more specific. Are you just trying to be cheeky and say "it only goes to the Moon"? Or can it go to Titan and Mercury but just not Venus and Mars. I feel dumb for asking but I just want to make sure

>>12757123
Yes, literally everywhere but Venus and Mars.

>>12757122
nobody's perfect lol. elon's in favor of a carbon tax

>>12757125
And this is because?

>>12756828
yeah, I don't understand this. It's not like they needed the money. Why would losing the NSSL result in a New Glenn delay?
It's not like they were ever going to win the contract, anyways. The Falcon family is more than capable and proven. Vulcan is an oldspace wetdream and there was no way that ULA was ever going to get shafted. Maybe they're trying to use the NSSL's decision as an excuse.

>>12757133
...because you don't need to aerobrake from low X orbit so a mass efficient fixed-leg lander works just fine? C'mon, this isn't difficult. Did you completely skip over the NUCLEAR INTER ORBITAL FAST MOVER part?

What's the fastest entry speed you can still achieve aerocapture on mars?

>>12756684
>Miranda enters the Normandy

>>12757115
this, the extended mission is when the party starts. or they crash it in a sand pit to avoid muh contamination

>>12756953
at least they let one of the mines reopen

>>12757038
>SLS was started in 2011
SLS is effectively a continuation of Constellation down to the same bloated contractors
>SLS can send more to space than the Falcon Heavy
This is his only good point and yet he's still wrong. He used Block 2 numbers for SLS's LEO payload and Block 2 will never happen
>Falcon 9 needs a bigger fairing
Like the bigger fairing the USAF is funding right now? Like the bigger fairing NASA considered funding?
>this man disagreed with climate change therefore what he said about spaceflight is wrong
So moronic that he should be slapped for that

>>12757130
Because Elon has a solar power and electric car company

Not because he’s deranged and thinks higher CO2 will turn Earth into Venus

guys, guys, what do the caves of mars look like? Are they big? What kind of material composition do they have. Is there water down there?

If they have bigger mountains are the caves possibly massive too?

>>12757130
A bad tax policy is one thing, but that's full chicken little mode. Someone as smart as this guy should understand that climate change is the norm, not the exception, and our ancestors have survived every single one of them buck naked.

>>12757117
tomorrow. also wasnt this canceled?
>>12757136
which is why i said they shoulda thrown in the covid excuse for good measure

>>12757117
what

>>12757152
Yeah the climate change bit at the end made me do a spit take. Lmao. Just throws it out like a schizo, couldn’t help himself

>>12757145
.1 of C

>>12757147

>>12757159
>guys, guys, what do the caves of mars look like? Are they big?
yes, apparently they can be over 800 meters in diameter or something?
>hat kind of material composition do they have.
don't know
>Is there water down there?
frozen water yes
>are the caves possibly massive too?
yes

>>12757157
most of hist factories and all of his rockets rely on fossil fuels. but yes, maybe less so than his competition

>>12757136
..In fact, it looks like Blue Origin were 100% aware that they would lose because they were bitching about the process back in 2019:
>https://www.floridatoday.com/story/tech/science/space/2019/08/12/blue-origin-files-protest-challenging-flawed-air-force-strategy-for-choosing-launches-ula-spacex/1986706001/
>Blue Origin filed a protest with the federal government Monday, challenging what it says is the Air Force's "flawed strategy" of seeking contractors
>"Unless the Air Force changes its approach, this procurement will perpetuate a market duopoly in national security space launch..."
>"The most recent market research, however, indicates the total global addressable space launch market, including NSSL launches, could support three or even four U.S. launch companies..."
So they knew that weren't going to win and so were trying to get the Air Force to give them a bronze medal

As for their other complaints
>"Is ambiguous and unclear with its selection criteria and doesn't provide transparency between competitor bids."
Holy shit. They wanted to be able to look at the other bids so they could tweak theirs to be more competitive. Because accurately stating capability is something they can't do. I'm reminded of Bezo's attempts to fuck over Starlink. BO spends too much time playing stupid games and not nearly enough making a good product.
>"The company also said the government's technical requirements are "too vague to accurately price."
In other words they didn't have a rocket and weren't close so they struggled to put a price on the requirements.
>"Discriminates against new competitors..."
lmfao. This is a competition you don't get accommodations for the disabled if you can't do it.
>"...and allows for a backup vehicle solution that could tip the scales in favor of the Russian-built RD-180 engine"
oh my god they're literally trying the "muh russia" angle

TL;DR: Body Odor stinks

>>12757164
shocked they didn't play the covid angle

>>12757159
Here’s what they can look like on Earth, so it’s safe to assume these exist on Mars as well. The geology behind caves like these are so based. I would live in a Mars cave with a SHAFT elevator to the surface for the rest of my life and just spend my days spelunking and mapping with my geotradwife

>>12757130
Those poor oil companies!

>>12756291
>Why? Because the result of this cascade of design decisions landed at the feet of the execution team and no-one was sufficiently empowered to say “clearly a terrible mistake has been made, this architecture can never achieve its promised performance, let’s start again.”
Lost. kek

>>12757169
that must be some G load

>>12757183
same. Brutal takedowns are an underrated source of laughter.

>>12757182
>various tax breaks are subsidies

Typical liberal retardation

>>12757179
how's the structural integrity on these things? i think cave life would be based too if i wasnt so concerned about getting trapped or rocks fallin on my head. would be worse if it happened on mars

>>12757180
haha, isnt rocket lab flying national security missions soon? and a few other small launch guys have contracts. so much for their duopoly fearmongering. why is blue so scared of a duopoly anyway? do they not plan on competing their way up?

>>12757197
Jeff Bezos has not once competed fairly in his entire life.

>>12757035
I've got better idea.

>>12757192
Nothing some structural bros couldn’t fix with a few surveys. They could probably go in with engineers and solve the problems easily, should they exist

>>12757182
who cares about G7? i wanna know the other big players. where does china rank? russia? opec?

>>12757202
...good god

>>12756631
snine was a baka

>>12757211
That's basically what VentureStar was except the tanks were on the inside and it had aerospikes.

>>12756910
I own a large position in MAXR (for me anyways) and I'm looking to double down on space memes tomorrow. SFTW is on my radar, as is NPA. Currently holding MAXR, SRAC and KTOS (and getting fucked hard by this market dump)

The advantage Maxar will have over BlackSky is that smallsats mean small optics, Legion is a fairly big satellite and from the looks of it it's mostly telescope. Which means BlackSky sats need to orbit at a lower altitude and get worse resolution. On the contrary, Starship means you can yeet a hundred one ton satellites like they're cubesats.

On the other hand, BlackSky is a SPAC trading basically at NAV, so the downside is limited.

>>12757211

wouldn't there be enough atmosphere deep enough on mars?

>>12757189
There are direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry as well, retard. Neither industry should be subsidized either directly or indirectly, you can't cry foul about EV tax credits or carbon tax yet be fine with subsidies for oil and gas. Stop being a useful idiot for giant corporations.

https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs

>>12757225
No. Not even the bottom of Valles Marineris has even 10% of Earth's atmosphere.

>>12756284
https://youtu.be/l6rtQ0-ez4g

I wonder if SpaceX will consider giving a couple million dollars discount for customers who bulk buy multiple launches. say they have a cheap, mass produced starlink-esque constellation of earth observation sats.

>>12757232
>you can't cry foul about EV tax credits or carbon tax yet be fine with subsidies for oil and gas
You actually can, because oil and gas access is a national security issue for a lot more sectors than just fuel. Go ride your electric unicycle off a pier.

>>12757081
how is this relevant and also only retards buy GME for over ~$40-60

>>12756277
Space exploration of "interesting" places will be a lot easier and happen much more frequently once there's substantial infrastructure in space.

>>12757232
Energy is the life of the country idiot and all localities offer tax breaks to businesses that want to set up shop

And again
Tax breaks are not subsidies

>>12757241
>say they have a cheap, mass produced starlink-esque constellation of earth observation sats.
A Legion of earth observation satellites, if you will?

>>12757255
ah...yes?

>>12757262
Boy howdy does Maxar have the constellation for you!
https://www.maxar.com/splash/it-takes-a-legion

>>12756977
>they were busy cryotesting the texas
fixed

>>12756886
>Well you see, the Space Shuttle has already flown. So by extension, the SLS has already flown. And by extension, all those who work on the rocket are well-trained and well-prepared.
That sounds suspiciously like the argument for putting MCAS into the memory hole so that MAX could be flown with regular 737 experience.

>>12757281
i like maxar, but i was hoping for a thousand or so sats. six is a start i guess

Wow y’all weren’t kidding. Static fire #2 today sent rocks flying all over the tank farm holy cow

>>12757285
Yeah I was just making the name pun. I hope they start churning them out by the dozen for Starship launch sometime soon. Very few publicly traded companies are willing to stake plans on Starship yet. Momentus explicitly wants to leverage it.

>>12757242
The US is basically a net oil exporter, with oil demand set to plummet as 70% of it is used in transportation, and oil prices well above the price needed to support domestic production, there is no real national security concern and you're grasping at straws. Also EVs decrease oil dependence thus by your retarded logic they should be subsided as well for national security purposes.
>>12757254
>Tax breaks are not subsidies
Learn what an indirect subsidy is and again, there are direct subsidies as well. I'm sure ExxonMobil loves to have you shilling for them for free. Based giant multinational corporations!

>>12756896
You learned the difference between Mandarin and Cantonese on the Disney Channel?

>this thing was set to have a solid 1st stage with solid boosters
huh, didn't know that.

>>12757286
rogs

>>12757296
mouse bad

>>12756727
>>12756754
>>12756953
I hope Virgin's space fleet bombards Cornwall from orbit

>>12757300

>>12757286
the road closure was cancelled because flight has been delayed until Q2 due to concrete and tank farm damage

>>12757307
http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/000866.html

>>12757310
Elon completely silent of twitter. Very telling.

>>12757312
it's pretty fun looking at rocket concepts that never made it

>>12757307
This is so much more complicated than it needs to be

>>12757312
Holy wind shear

>>12757295
Every single industry in the country gets various tax breaks...
Green bullshit which kills people when it stops working gets far more than anything oil related

>>12756417
How about we become all godlike and make earth + mar etc heaven?

That’s the reality I love
You’re free to love it too

>>12757318
it's like a larger Vega with a hydrogen final stage. ..Would hydrogen appreciate being shaken that much? I assumed that vega used hypergolics for a reason.
>>12757319
yeah that fairing is nuts

>>12757312
>we heard you like SRMs

>>12757319
>MaxQ, as expected
>We’ve had a loss of booster... as expected

>>12757312
Last one straight up looks like a 4ASS shitpost

What would you name your primary spaceflight vehicle, SFG?

>>12757340

>>12757340
H.P. Lovecraft’s Cat
Spirit of Von Braun
Not Enterprise
USS You Essess
Eyes Wallow Come

>>12757220
BlackSky gen 3 satellites will be able to support a 50-centimeter resolution. It's getting very close to Maxar's technology, their constellation is much cheaper, and they claim that they'll have 30 minute revisit rates versus Legion which is around 1.5 hours if I remember correctly. My problem with Maxar has always been it isn't focusing on smallsats enough and I'm concerned about their agility as launch costs decrease and open the market to new competitors. This is more of a long term concern, I'm bullish on both companies at the moment and Maxar has the non-imagery side of their business that does well.

https://www.blacksky.com/2020/09/24/blacksky-dual-payload-satellite-architecture-resolution-nighttime-imaging

Also check out ACCMF if you haven't already. ARK does buy OTC stocks so I'm fairly certain it will be included in ARKX and it has a tiny market cap so the buying should move the price a lot. I keep adding to my position but it hasn't done much.

>>12757340
Amalek's Revenge

Been away hiking for a while now and just got back. Why has this piece of shit still not hopped?

>>12756841
Maybe Elon Musk should have bought a media organization and dedicated it to serving the interests of the political class. His autistic engineer mindset is going to get him destroyed by the MBA mindset of Bezos and by companies like Boeing. They know that politics are more important than physics in our current environment.

>>12756727
>region is poor
>refuse to allow economic development in the region for fear of offending the poors
>region stays poor
How the fuck are these the same people that ran a globe-spanning mercantilist powerhouse?

>>12757347
When is ARKX set to come out, any idea? Might take some funds out of crypto for it.

>>12757340
GRANOLA GAY
JOHN MADDEN
THE TRUMP
SPACE FORCE 1
BOMB IRAN

>>12757352
brrrrrrrr

>>12757352
i'm afraid i don't get the 'hop' meme :( i have idea but not certain

>>12757320
The "green bullshit" doesn't kill millions of people a year through it's emissions and costs trillions of dollars in healthcare expenditures.

>>12756727
>Hi Cornwall we want to setup our project in your area, it will provide a lot of jobs and revenue for the people
>NO POOR PEOPLE MIGHT GET JEALOUS AND FOSSIL FUELS ARE EVIL

it's all so tiresome bros.

>>12757286
I heard those ping-ping-clank sounds on Pad Cam.
>>12757340
tendert0e

>>12757352
Because the don't call him Elon "Hack/Fraud" Musk for nothing. It's over, they have yo compleyely redo the launch pad AND the tank farm after it got absolutely shredded by concrete shrapnel. Elon hasnt said a word about it. He is cutting as we speak. When I say it's over, I mean it. For real this time, Space--X is absolutely over.

>>12756996
They going to try to copy SpaceX's Starlink plan and have Amazon fund everything through Project Kuiper, which is a competitor to Starlink. The launch of over 3000 Amazon satellites will be the main revenue generators for BO.

>>12757368
If you genuinely wanted to support clean energy you would support nuclear. But you don't because you're a brainwashed fucking imbecile. We could have been running on entirely nuclear for decades now. The spicy rock is the holy grail of energy production and it's been screwed over by fucktards like you and retarded spastics in the government.

>>12757379
>let’s do a static fire on our fresh concrete

Good shit musk

>>12757379
lol

>>12756594
New Shepard looking kinda sus.

>>12756716
We kept bullying about them having to delay it again to an appropriate minimum in the last thread.

>>12757388
>>12756594
Fuck, you're right.

>>12757379
kek
>>12757352
Might sound like an exaggeration but Texas quite literally froze over and shat the bed for a week, and then one of the raptors an hero’d during the first static fire as expected I guess. Not to mention today’s fire didn’t look too good

>>12756981
Give it a couple of years and those t-shirts will read
>IT'S JUST
>ROCKET
>ENGINES
>BLUE ORIGIN

>>12757358
My guess would be around the start of April according to their filing. There has been some debate over buying ARKX versus selecting your own space stocks which may be more profitable for people with knowledge of the industry but ARKX is good if you don't want to worry about that. It will probably contain the large aerospace stocks so it's less of a pure play than you might think but I imagine it will do very well over the next few years if the rest of the market is good.

>>12756423
Thunder "Well, the Falcon 9 is basically a Redstone Rocket that runs on Methane" Cunt is unfortunately misinformed about something pertaining to rocketry? Say it ain't so!

>>12757399
>There has been some debate over buying ARKX versus selecting your own space stocks which may be more profitable for people with knowledge of the industry

I would agree with this if knowledge of the industry actually seemed to matter. Look at SPCE for fucks sake.

>>12757180
Project Kuiper needs 3,236 satellites
That's going to be a hefty Space X subsidy even if they're competing with Starlink

>>12757179
>just spend my days spelunking and mapping with my geotradwife
for me it's geoAsian or nothing

>>12757367
Starship has been flying in short hops
The test flights are called hops
That's all there is

>>12756948
It's crazy to me that they built those massive fucking buildings BEFORE having a mature production conceived. They still havent built more than a mockup. On top of that there's like 500 people total in those buildings. An entire year ago, March 2020, SpaceX only had 500 people at Boca Chica (back when Starship was still fairly low priority for SpaceX). They still have no permanent structure and they churning out starships too fast they become obsolete. What a contrast

>>12757300
It's Northrop Grumman, ie gobble up as many smaller govt contractors as possible and cobble together things from their parts in hopes of winning new contracts with them.
Cheaper than actually designing new things.

>>12757419
I’m sure that’s because SpaceX took the SteelPill. At this point stainless seems like a no brainer it’s dirt cheap and fast to build. The biggest benefit would go to ULA, I bet, if they’re saving their engines and throwing away the core stage.

>>12757384
I fully support nuclear, you idiot. Supporting nuclear doesn't mean anything and it doesn't change the fact the nuclear has been stagnant for decades and there is no indication that it will change in the future. The regulatory related costs of new nuclear installations have become so great that it's no longer that cheap a source of energy and even IV reactors may not sway the public.

The realistic solution is to install as much clean energy as possible while using the existing energy production to meet demand during the periods of low renewable production until energy storages prices come down enough to fully phase them out.

I feel like all the surface tapes of von Braun I'll already seen. Are there any more candid, behind the scenes type recordings of him where he's not interacting with media?

>>12757069
>Even if it works, any spacecraft that restricts you to LEO is dumb in the 21st century.
I disagree. his idea is dumb but we should be doing smaller rockets to leo with refueling. that way we can have a lot more travel in our system for a lot cheaper.

>>12756264
We really are living in the best timeline bro’s. Starship will work. Maybe not SN10. Maybe not SN11. But it’ll land. And then it’ll get to orbit. Before 2040 there will be hundreds of people living and working in space at a minimum. We’re going to make it. Apollo 1, Soyuz 1, Soyuz 11, Challenger, Columbia. They will not be forgotten. Per Aspera Ad Astra.

>>12757418
i don't get why they insist on flying straight up and out instead of taking off and just gliding out. i really don't i feel like these guys are making spaceflight 100x harder than it needs to be, and it's all just political

>>12757069
Dude like everybody and their mom want to make a space station of some sort. There was even some mad lad that bought unused ALMAZ and a pair of TKS capsules.

>>12757433
Even worse is trying to find anything on NASA admin James Webb. Youtube is littered with the stupid telescope. I wanna know about the man

>>12756264
APOLOGIZE to the first African American to get humans to Mars. /sci/ btfo

>>12757347
How much will smallsat development matter when Starship enters the picture and carsats become viable?
>take 1992 corolla
>stick electronics in trunk
>launch

>>12757450
this thing

>>12756264
Does anyone know how to make a YouTube account not connected to your Gmail? I want to make a SpaceX commentary account with some KSP gameplay once in a while.

>>12757462
Not possible.

Okay wait, I don't get the "there's no flame trenches on Mars" meme. Just send a fucking shovel.

>>12757459
>no pube hair
Disgusting.Stop enforcing white beauty standards, bigot.

>>12757464
Damn my Gmail is used for work emails and stuff.

>>12757462
Just make a whole new burner account lol

>>12757471
Make a new gmail account.

>>12757442
Anyone have that drawing of the avengers bowing to doctors?

>>12757312
What exactly is the point of making rockets slimmer than their payload fairing? Aside from retrofitting larger fairings onto existing rockets.

>>12757475

TONIGHT, ON /SFG/

HAMMOND RIDES AN ARES I
JAMES MAY CAUSES A 3 MONTH DELAY TO THE JWST
AND I BREAK INTO BLUE ORIGIN HEADQUARTERS TO SEE WHAT THEY ARE REALLY UP TO

Just watched the Nova about Perseverance everyone talking is a minority, everyone working is white. Also wholly fuck ultra clean is almost as retarded as their plan to get the samples back.

>>12757516
Sounds about right
Nonwhites and women in some sorta makework position making the same money

>>12757460
Because a Vespa is even cheaper than a Corolla?

>>12757244
>didn't get a contract with blue origin
waah stop spending all that money if none of it is going to meeee

>>12757488
make rockit look like pen0r with head

>>12757442
This was not worth the effort.

>>12757516
>>12757519

>>12757545
the difference like 40~ years can make... can you imagine 40 more years... or if you assume an increasing delta year to year between 1960, and 2020... where we are by 2030

>>12757543
Thank you brother it’s perfect.

>>12757545
Jej

>>12756754
Cornwall is an odd place. It was a mining capital of the world and huge trade hub for centuries but then they closed the mines and the ports became too small for modern ships. Then half the properties were bought out as holiday homes for londoners and lie empty 11 months of the year while the local people can’t afford somewhere to live.

I would say that Counsellor is antiSpace im every sense and pissed that Space travellers don’t stop into Newquay for a bucket and spade and £5 can of coke on the way home.

>>12757340
Krystal's sweaty foxpaws :3

>>12757461

>>12757583
>and pissed that Space travellers don’t stop into Newquay for a bucket and spade and £5 can of coke on the way home.
Well they sure as fucking well won't if you don't allow space travel. Tourist dollars are a godsend for otherwise impoverished areas, assuming the corrupt local government doesn't hoover it all up. In Cornwall's case it looks like they're skipping the corruption step by just preventing the money from entering the Cornish economy in the first place.

>>12757591
>Canadian red ensign
You what

>>12757594
>canadian
m8

>>12756379
yes, youre the only one, hes a clever troll and youre increidbly naive and stupid, you probably "fucking love science" and are the reason why the sciences are shit filled with normies who shit on all. Im so glad you got your panties in a bunch over something so minor.

>>12757340
>Hello control this is the private vessel Nigger Blaster 1488 requesting approach vector

>>12757340
Untitled Spacecraft

You guys want to fuck up some polls from /r/SLS?
>https://strawpoll.com/9pq18rps2
>https://strawpoll.com/g43yxehjg

>>12757643
You know it

>>12757583
>>12757593
apparently a few mines in cornwall are actually reopening now, which is cool i guess. they found new high grade ore deposits or something

>>12757643
I swear on me mum this was the first result

>>12757340
Ice Wallow Come

>>12757340
Greed is Good, an asteroid mining vessel

>>12757340
Sisyphus

>>12757340

>>12757657
>>12757647
>>12757643
well you guys changed that fast

>>12756727
>inb4 overridden by central government

>>12757643
Kek

>>12757643
i live to serve

>>12757692
*sneed

>>12757692
I love you guys

>>12757691
I about choked when I checked that one and saw that.

>>12757340
Jesus Loves You

>>12757718
it's more honest than q3 2023 lmao

Biden will outlaw spaceflight and there’s nothing you can do about it.

>>12757718
happened so fucking fast lol

>>12757723
>q3 2023
That's an optimistic estimate for Artemis 1.

>>12756727
Stereotypical woke shit keeping the poor in their place. How is this shit real?

>>12757286
Imagine this thing doing an actual takeoff on Mars or Moon gravel.

>>12757733
Oh and it'll sit much lower. Ah fuck, forgot that the lunar version has seperate landing engines. Nevermind that one then.

>>12756773
This looks like something I’d post in /sfg/ to troll. There’s even a blatant sunken cost fallacy, and a citation of Thundertetardniggerfaggot as a source.

>>12756291
I mean. We all knew all of that already. It's a good read for normies not in the know though, I guess.

Anons, let’s imagine a hypothetical world where the French Revolution never occurred, and absolute monarchies dominate the world to this day. Do you think they’d engage in much space exploration? I personally believe they’d establish whole colonies decades based on their personal whims.

>>12756658
I thought gravity does not exist? How comes your universal gravity on the mars lilypad is just 1/8th of earths lilypad?

Do flat earthers even?

It's 1am, time to schizopost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMDchwbOvvY

Did you guys see this? SpaceX made their elevator so fast.

What do you guys think of the rockets in pic related

>>12757787
well, next to the starship the others cant really be called rockets, they are more like artistic pieces that represent stupidity

>>12757787
mmm roggets

>>12757787
>these are the new generation of heavily lift rockets
Slim pickings

>>12757575
>my edit
Thankyou!

>>12757791

>>12757811
kek. need an sls version

>>12757811
Can we have a kino engine set up like this again

>>12757545
lots of holes i want to fuck fuCK FUCK in the bottom one

I made an /sfg/ discord server.
https://discord.gg/jX9t3SYHWR

>>12757814

>>12757819
Shit imagine uprated Superheavy with just an expanded skirt of side mounted bolt-on raptors.