/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12703765
Should be mandatory to compliment STEM

>>12703780
is that because you think philosophy is able to answer deeper question than STEM?

>>12703787
Well, questions like "whats the purpose of the cosmos" is a philosophical question, and a question that shouldn't be ignored imo, but isn't a scientific question (yet), so yes philosophy has its use in deeper matters like that. They also compliment each other well when one looks at the larger picture of what is being studied and examined through both lenses. I've seen far to much STEM scorn for philosophy, which makes no sense at all, as modern science has its roots in philosophical inquiry and processes.

>>12703800
Ya I agree, I was always more impressed with the people I met in college who were philosophy majors compared to the math, physics and of course the engineering and comp sci majors

>>12703805
Philosophy and english writing are basically the art of the con, so that's not surprising

It depends on the kind. Self improvement stoicism stuff helps people be more productive.

Some philosophy is about critical thinking and that's good for science

To actually study it is the gayest thing on earth. 0 application to life or sci

>>12703929
I agree. I mean how can you even grade people on a philosophy class?

>>12703765
it feels forced

>>12703787
Regardless of whether it can answer deep questions about stem, practitioners of the scientific method absolutely should know who Popper is. In physics, less than 10% of my fellow PhD students at an R1 uni knew who popper was, and it's fucking embarrassing.

>>12703765
Philosophy is dumb.

>>12703765
It's fine but dead.

>>12703929
> 0 application to life or six
>is about critical thinking so it’s good for sci

Go be intellectually disabled somewhere else

>>12703765
Philosophy and self help are basically the same, like religion. They're for retards and uneducated people who are not driven by reason, but emotions and fear. Science and technology have made philosophy obsolete.

>>12703765
It's cool

>>12703800
holy based

>>12704255
t. idiot who only knows pop philosophy

Let it be set to free
That one can see

Earth says this theory:
Everything changes but it still is meaningless

>>12703800
>I've seen far to much STEM scorn for philosophy, which makes no sense at all, as modern science has its roots in philosophical inquiry and processes.
While thats true, contemporary philosophy is all about reading and memorizing some other faggot philosophers views and opinions. The vast majority of philosophy majors get hyper focused into a certain dogma and they stick to it endlessly citing their correctness through previous literature instead of asking new questions or posing new thought experiments.

I think what needs to happen is that experimental psychology needs to be buttfucked together with philosophical practice to form a new actually useful subject, lets call it Critical Thinking.

>>12703765
A fascinating subject. I think the best thing would be if all people got some more practical degree early on. Do the whole family tthing, have kids, do engineering, manual labor or be a doctor or whatever. Then, when thye reach retirement age, go into philosophy. Wisdom should be imparted, by the wise, and life should be discussed by people who have lived.

everyone should be forced to read this

>>12703765
questions need to be asked and some need to find the answer.
turtles all the way down
we need philosophy as much as we need math. They all work in tangent to evolve one another.

>>12705685
>you WILL push the FUCKING rock and you WILL be HAPPY

>>12703765
Must always be taken into account, otherwise you'll end up being a retard.

>>12703787
All physicists need to understand their ontology and metaphysics as many of the great scientists pre-nuclear age did.

Should be mandatory to destroy religious.

>>12705060
Translation: All grows eternally and therefor there can't ever be a definitive averaging becausw that would imply a universal end point, which would never make sense from the perspective of the self or the individual experience set.

>>12705059
The most amazing argument for pedophilia in public I've ever read.

>>12706745
What should always be decided as to maximize provision thereof?

>Asking for a friend....

>>12703765
Plato is based

>>12706786
And why is your foot fetish relevant in my reality?

>>12703765
body+math
philsophy=identity
body has a reaction based on its preconditioning
rationality is the patterns that its conditioned to value
comes up with a story of rationality based on those associated and valued patterns

Its all just made up responses from the body
you can argue them all day it doesnt matter
just experiment at microcosmic levels
or embody a philosophy
arguing them is so fucking moot and slow
its all arbitrary at the end of the day its really just about if people will get on board or not

these 3 hour sam harris podcasts or interviews are, and i seriously cannot stress this enough, just verbal hypnosis.
same thing with any greek philosophy, any philosophy
its a system that house energy of the TIMES combining the abilities/skills/awareness of the people at the time as well

know thyself
experiment
create

>>12707262
Which is why actively trying to improve the data sources I interact with is equivalent to me helping out myself and all like me without having to care about all the things that are ultimately abstractions of inference.

>The trick is to only speak from the top of your own mountain, then defend it by teaching others how to do so from theirs. Not by sharing the mountain. THAT IS WHY I TURBO AUTISMO BLAST PEOPLE BECAUSE OTHERS ARE HAPPIER HOLDING A PERSPECTIVE WHERE AS I ACTUALLY HAVE FUCKING OBJECTIVES TO ACHIEVE THAT ISN'T PERPETUATING A FUCKING PITY PARTY!

>>12703765
As something to study for the sake of self enrichment, I think it is wonderful. Philosophy is the parent domain of knowledge from which all others originate. Learning philosophy first made learning STEM easier. Science is truly just a branch of epistemology and would not function without math which is a branch of logic. Neither could exist without metaphysics.

As something to get a degree in, it is meme tier

>>12703765
science is philosophy

>>12706788
I don’t have one, fetishes are not directly relevant to you, and there is objective truth you faggot, take your meds

>>12708092
Based

bump

>>12703765
One of the greatest fields one can study, and science wouldn't exist without it.

>>12712548
To be clear, I mean independent study, not in academia. Philosophy in academia isn't as bad as some of the humanities yet but it's on the decline.

The thread I was gonna post this in got deleted, so I will post it here.

The issue here is a LACK of religion with science. Religion takes deeply felt emotions and contextualizes them within a system of general truths about the world, helping people to identify their wider meaning and significance; serving as a kind of bridge between philosophy and the emotions and purposes of a particular society. It is the task of religion to make philosophy applicable to the everyday lives of ordinary people. What meaningful framework of truth do individuals have to find their purpose and meaning in? Science obviously cannot serve this purpose. But here is where individuals are left to unconsciously inject their deeply felt - sacred - emotions and desires into scientific materialism, social sciences, and.. politics.. (stupid as fuck. All you /pol/tards are stupid as fuck).

Climate change, vaccines, race and IQ are just not that important. Do they have anything at all to do with my compassion, love, ethics, virtue, and desire? Obvious nope. Religion is firstly solitary, there is always a inner life which must come before the social life. If you are never solitary, you are never religious.

any rationalism, being philosophy or science is just trying to turn fantasizing as non-fiction all the made up categories and made up relations between those categories by intellectuals.
For instance think of classification of all finite groups. The classification of all Lie groups, clifford algebras or whatever the fuck mathematical entities all the various mathematicians have made up.

This is a social construct, subject to time and geography. All relative.

math sis a subfield of philosophy restricted to first order logic. mathematicians seethe over intellectuals who do not restrict to FOL.
Anything after presocratics (who actually live as they taught, contrary to Socrates and plato, arsitotle and all those larpers) is just intellectuals larping more and more as truth tellers in monasteries and university, to get a comfy pay while contributing nothing to society, with the pinnacle being the academics in secular democracy.

if you come from the secular humanist movement where the bourgeois hype the idea to the plebs that the plebs should get a (mandatory) education (more or less for free) in order to be smarter to larp as the greeks, (and not the unofficial and very fact that people get educated to make better workers already knowing how to do a job (so the companies need not to train them) and tax payers ) then yes it is moral idea to disregard the value of the education system

>>12712563
good post

>>12712563
suicide-cult level retardation
holy shit what crap

>>12712877
Go on.

>>12703765
I'm about to finish my bachelor's in psychology and don't intend to do a master's in the same subject. I'm thinking about joining a master's for philosophy of science and technology and already have a topic to write my thesis about. My mom tries to convince me to do something else because philosophy won't help me at all with getting a job and I would kinda just do it because it's fun and not to help me find a career to pursue. Is she right or should I just go with my gut feeling?

>>12712568
Nope. You are on a road and assume it is going nowhere, coming from nowhere, and built by no one. Have fun with the mental suicide.

>>12703765
I find that different philosophers and different fields of philosophy widely vary in the logical strength of their arguments, ranging from internally watertight near-mathematical proofs to extremely hand-wavy (quite poor) arguments. This is especially true of older writers who are classed under "philosophy".

The classification of these subjects under one umbrella ("philosophy") is problematic because it may lead to people reading the more poorly argued content and concluding that it is representative of the subject as a whole. This is unfortunate, because metamathematics and philosophical logic can be quite interesting subjects.

>>12703787
Yes. Because you need to understand the foundation in which you communicate. Philosophy doesn't mean going on meaningless journeys and being stuck, we just need a coherent understanding of problems of communication/language/concepts/etc.

A semester of philosophy is compulsory for a university degree in Norway.

>>12712568
Funny pasta

>>12712992
>This is especially true of older writers who are classed under "philosophy".
"traditional philosophy" is the polite term ;^)

>>12712568
100%
culturally projected language
getting deeper, geography pressures on the body that create different pattern fixations relative to repetition of successful patterns of the past

>>12712568
>first order logic
axiom is a fancy way of saying assumption, projection, presupposition, belief.
chosen at random, it is an expression of the body, geography, culture
the patterns used to unfold from there are repetitions that the individual or group has utilized for success


there is no pattern in the stars
>there is no pattern in the stars