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12594314 No.12594314 [Reply] [Original]

Sincerely, I'm trying to understand the statistics of this without any consideration of politics. The boards are normally visit are too polarized down partisan lines to be helpful. Please, no political discussion in thread.

I know enough about statistics to realize how dishonestly they are presented much of the time. Often variables are ignored and blatantly false claims of causation equaling correlation are made.

Can anyone on /sci/ help me figure out what to make of the below claims? Alone, they're like whatever but together they kind of paint a picture. I don't want to parrot false information though.

>Biden is will be the first President in history to win while losing both Ohio and Florida. Obama and Trump both won Ohio, Florida and Iowa. Biden lost all three.

>Both Biden and Trump received millions more votes than any Presidential candidate in history. The assertion being this doesn't make sense.

>Trump was vastly in the lead until mail in votes dumped some of which were over 99% for Biden, statistically impossible

and so on...

Again, I'm trying to understand how to get an actual analytical mathematics view of all this. I apologize.

>> No.12594373

Small sample sizes and total lack of knowledge about the underlying distributions (and how they may have changed with time) make all of your questions meaningless or unanswerable from a statistical perspective.

>> No.12594395

>not Politics

What a load of horse shit. You came here specifically to bitch about the election. Fuck you.

Anyway, applying Gaussian-based statistical methods to elections is retarded if you know anything about the underlying math.

>> No.12594453

>>12594395
I don't know what Gaussian-based means and I'm not a liar, specifically made the thread to help me not perpetuate falsehoods out in the world. How about fuck you instead. Your narrow expertise does not make you a genius.

>> No.12594472

>>12594314
>Biden is will be the first President in history to win while losing both Ohio and Florida. Obama and Trump both won Ohio, Florida and Iowa. Biden lost all three.
>Both Biden and Trump received millions more votes than any Presidential candidate in history. The assertion being this doesn't make sense.
>Trump was vastly in the lead until mail in votes dumped some of which were over 99% for Biden, statistically impossible
The first two are not statistically impossible or even unlikely. The third is false.
>>12594373
This.

>> No.12594474

>>12594314
>Biden is will be the first President in history to win while losing both Ohio and Florida. Obama and Trump both won Ohio, Florida and Iowa. Biden lost all three.
so?
>Both Biden and Trump received millions more votes than any Presidential candidate in history. The assertion being this doesn't make sense.
this is just a statement of "there are more voters every year" which makes perfect sense.
>Trump was vastly in the lead until mail in votes dumped some of which were over 99% for Biden, statistically impossible
He wasn't.

Ask a specific question and I'll do my best to clarify.

>> No.12594481

>>12594314
>Biden is will be the first President in history to win while losing both Ohio and Florida. Obama and Trump both won Ohio, Florida and Iowa. Biden lost all three.

Not sure what to say other than that it's just electoral college math? The states you refer to, especially Ohio and Iowa have trended strongly towards the red in the last few years. States regularly undergo political realignments and gain or lose swing-state status, not sure what to tell you.

>Both Biden and Trump received millions more votes than any Presidential candidate in history. The assertion being this doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make any sense that with the country's population being the largest it has ever been, during a highly polarized and high stakes election, where voting by mail was made vastly more accessible, that we saw more voter turnout than in previous elections? Why exactly?

>Trump was vastly in the lead until mail in votes dumped some of which were over 99% for Biden, statistically impossible

It's not statistically impossible. Voting locations in cities can cover as little as a few blocks. There are several voting precincts in Seattle that I remember seeing had 0 votes for Trump in 2016. It's not that crazy considering how repulsive the guy is to a lot of the country and how geographically polarized the electorate is, and considering the partisan difference in who decided to vote by mail. No more crazy than an in-person voting center that serves 80 ranchers in rural Wyoming turning out 100% for Trump.

>> No.12594498

>>12594314
Statistics isn’t of any help here. Too many unknowns. The real fraud is the way the vote was handled in general (machines connected to the internet, mail-in shenanigans, etc.) Trump could have fixed this shit in 2017-18 but didn’t, probably because both sides cheat, but the dems cheated better this time. No one in power had any interest in fixing the system because they’re all cheaters.

>> No.12594501

>>12594481
>he states you refer to, especially Ohio and Iowa have trended strongly towards the red in the last few years
>>12594474
>there are more voters every year"
>>12594481
>here are several voting precincts in Seattle that I remember seeing had 0 votes for Trump in 2016

That all makes sense. Thanks. I don't have more specific questions. If any other anons post more, I will come back and read them but I won't likely bump the thread again. Thank you.

>> No.12594522

>>12594481
Also, Trump was never "vastly in the lead," he briefly led counts by less than a few percentage points when they were about half done counting the votes.

The fixation on the timing of things and the horse race of election night is bizarre to me. Who was "winning" at different points in the night is completely immaterial, and is literally just a media narrative to get viewers throughout the day. The only thing that ever has mattered in elections is who gets the most votes, and until the advent of 24 hour news media and their efforts to make it into some minute-by-minute event, it literally just worked by states taking their time to count everything, sending the results to DC, and then tallying everything up before inauguration. You're chasing a falsehood whose primary argument, aside from not making any damn sense, is fundamentally based on a mirage caused by the conventions of news media.

"How is it mathematically possible" my ass, there's no fucking math, it's literally just counting votes and following instructions you stupid idiot

>> No.12594604

>>12594522
haha yes exactly, dream didn't cheat minecraft. These dunces.

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>>12594314
The US election system is barbaric with respect to contemporary standards (literally unchanged since the 19th century) and absolutely fucked. Who the fuck understands how the electoral college works.
That said, there's a ton of misunderstanding of elementary statistics going around. Matt Parker (say all you want about pop-math, at least he's an actual mathematician) did a trilogy on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etx0k1nLn78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aokNwKx7gM8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua5aOFi-DKs

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>>12594314
It's pretty obvious this is about the election. You're a politically and scientifically uniformed loser. You are drunk on conspiracy theories and your worldview is based on closed-minded values, hate, and white privilege.
Fuck Republicans
Fuck Trump
You lost. Get over it. Going around spreading your retard conspiracy theories on social media and murdering cops and random black people is not helping you cause. Its time to come to terms with reality.

White conservatives are obsessed with Conspiracy theories. You are obsessed with pointing the finger everywhere but at yourself. The problem with society today is not 'globalists' or 'socialists' or the 'deep state' or the 'elite'. Stop trying to conjure up boogeymen to distract from the real problem. What is holding back society today is not some secret Cabal of 'global elites', but rather uneducated, low IQ white boomers, most of whom live in irrelevant flyover states, and racist/delusional incels zoomers/millenials like yourself.

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>>12594453
If you don't know what a Gaussian distribution is, then you have no place commenting on the election. You're a retard and you have no idea what you are talking about, but I guess that is typical for Trump supporters. Nobody is obligated to explain this shit to you. This is an imageboard, not a classroom. If you were actually interested in science or math, then you would have gone to college and studied one of these subjects. I think it's pretty obvious to anyone who isn't a Republican goon that you are not actually someone who is interest in science or math. You're a disingenuous loser who just wants to manipulate statistics and fabricate narratives about the election that support your pre-existing worldview.

>> No.12594809

>>12594776
>"no political discussion please"
>lmao stupid fucking drumpf supporter
Yeah I'm thinking it's time to gb2 >>>/leftypol/

>> No.12594821

>>12594776
>making fun of people for not studying math
>not advancing human knowledge instead by spreading it
fucking nigger
besides, you don’t need gaußian distribution to perform statistical analysis on a data set

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>>12594314

>> No.12594831

>>12594314

Benfords law. Biden 100% cheated. Kikebook bans you instantly for posting stats on benfords law.

>> No.12594833

>>12594718

Shitskin detected

>> No.12594844

>>12594634
Op here, I watched all 3 videos.
This is exactly what I was looking for.
Thank you.

>>12594718
So, the reason I came to /sci/.. The scientific method and the logica disciplines of the sciences dictate identification of variables and impersonnel objective opinions devoid of bias. That is the defining characteristic of science and why these questions are best answered by /sci/ vs. other boards. You absolutely fail at that. Furthermore, I specifically asked for no political discussion and yet you couldn't resist. You are an epic failure and you aren't going to make it in life.

>> No.12594865

>>12594314
>>Biden is will be the first President in history to win while losing both Ohio and Florida. Obama and Trump both won Ohio, Florida and Iowa. Biden lost all three.
So what? Biden won other states like Pennsylvania, Michigan and Georgia.
>>Both Biden and Trump received millions more votes than any Presidential candidate in history. The assertion being this doesn't make sense.
The US population is growing. Pretty great voter turn out, compared to recent history overall. Also, consider that some whom voted Biden, may have done so because they wanted Trump out of office more than they hated Biden.
>>Trump was vastly in the lead until mail in votes dumped some of which were over 99% for Biden, statistically impossible
Happens when Trump told all his voters not to vote by mail.

>> No.12594894

>>12594865
So when Trump voters choose not to vote, it's because they're lazy and uneducated, and of course because Trump himself is an evil neonazi who gave them bad advice, but when democrats and blacks choose not to vote, it's 'voter suppression' and evidence of a nationawide (and probably global) conspiracy of neonazis and russian trolls working together to impose """systemic racism""" on our political system?

>> No.12594905

>>12594894
What are you talking about, schizo?
Your nonsense isn't even remotely related to that post.

>> No.12594974
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>>12594905
It's actually completely relevant because I was pointing out the fact that anon >>12594865
is suffering from cognitive dissonance. You should look up the concept of unfalisfiability and the concept of inconsistency. Given that these concept are central to the scientific method, and literally any undergrad STEMfag learns about these concepts, I find it surprising that you are unfamiliar.

The point is simple that woke corporate Democrat types have inconsistent and unfalsifiable beliefs. No matter what, the leftists are right, and the conservative white people are stupid and racist. If blacks and democrats don't vote, that just proves that voter suppression and and systemic racism are real. However, when conservatives don't vote, it's just because they're uneducated, low IQ, country hicks. That is an unfalsifiable perspective. You can't say that low voter turnout in black/liberal communities proves that blacks/democrats are victims, and then turn around a say that low voter turn-out in white communities just proves that they are stupid and uneducated. Ceteris paribus, if low voter turnout proves that people are stupid, then it also proves that black/liberal communities are stupid when they happen to have low voter turnout. Similarly, if low voter turnout in black/liberal communities proves that these people have been oppressed and supressed, then ceteris paribus, low voter turnout amongst Republicans proves that Republican voters are also being oppressed and suppressed.

Everything I have said is literally objectively true, and follows from basic logic. Ceteris paribus, if a piece of evidence about a community X implies some claim C about a community X, then a similar piece of evidence about another community Y also implies an analogous claim C' about community Y. You can't arbitrarily apply a particular inferential rule to one community and then randomly apply a completely different inferential rule to another community.

>> No.12595021

>>12594634
>The US election system is barbaric
Barbarians did not have a political system as backwards as a democracy. They had something much more sophisticated, like monarchies.

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>>12594974
You should look them up yourself, and stop projecting. Your opinions and conspiracies are not "objectively true, and follows from basic logic."

It isn't a matter of how probable a vast majority of mail-in votes are for Biden, given some false reality that assumes an R or D would vote in person/by mail with equal probability. Trump repeatedly condemned mail-in voting and encouraged his voters to vote in person. The stats reported that his supporters had very little confidence in mail-in voting, and a large majority of them voted in person opposed to mail-in. And you'd know that, if you knew how to use a search engine.

Once someone votes in person, do you think they'd just vote a second time via mail?

>> No.12595155

>>12595099
>Once someone votes in person, do you think they'd just vote a second time via mail?
There is actually lots of such fraud like that. One of the problems with some of these areas is they mailed out mass quantities of unsolicited ballots. Those could have been returned by anyone and once they are counted, it becomes completely anonymous. So, you can go back and recount but it tells you nothing about the validity of the vote. This was the problem. Now, you could argue that this doesn't favor one candidate more than the other but that's not true if this happened in Democrat precincts which it did. They also have anecdotal evidence of ballots being dropped off in the middle of the night, from unverified sources and they've found mass dumps of Trump ballots that ditched and never counted. There is real fraud. There always has been. The question is if it was enough to change the outcome and I sincerely don't know. Georgia was lost by less than 12k votes if I recall correctly. There is eyewitness sworn testimony from multiple people saying that ballots were voted incorrectly. Then again, I think they recounted them so it would be moot.

You can't trust anything you see on TV. TV is 100% lies. You can't trust anything on /pol/ because they have agendas or just parrot partizan talking points. Real discussion about the validity of the results just doesn't exist.

We do need way better voter ID laws though which Democrats adamantly oppose.

>> No.12595189

>>12594314
>All these people reeeing at OP.
Jesus christ /leftypol/ I thought /sci/ was better than this.

I'll try my best here, but I'm just going to give my first impressions without doing research on your claims since I don't feel like wasting my time. You should find the studies where these claims came from and skim them, you may not fully understand it but it should be enough to tell id the claims are b.s. or have been distorted. Distorting claims is extremely common, intentional or not, because it's basically a game of telephone.

>>Biden is will be the first President in history to win while losing both Ohio and Florida. Obama and Trump both won Ohio, Florida and Iowa. Biden lost all three.
This is a "so what?" kind of thing.

>>Both Biden and Trump received millions more votes than any Presidential candidate in history. The assertion being this doesn't make sense.
Why doesn't it make sense? There was far more pressure than usual to vote, the federal turnout in my state was the highest in years (over 70% if I remember, insane). The population is still increasing too. Maybe I'm missing something.

>>Trump was vastly in the lead until mail in votes dumped some of which were over 99% for Biden, statistically impossible
Make sure the claim is correct and ask these questions: "how large was the sample size?" "where were these ballots sampled from" "How close were they before hand?" It's no secret that democrats love to vote by mail, but the statistic (assuming it's accutate), and you can skew your results by sampling in democratic areas only. Another thing is that statistical analysis on emotional human behaviour is inherently bullshit. To model something with stats that something needs to satisfy a set of axioms, and if they don't, it's bullshit. This is a very common way to get bad stats. Looking at other election-based statistical analysis should give you a clue.

>> No.12595206

>>12594314
>this election was different than other elections
Yes.
>therefore it's the result of cheating
No.

/thread

>> No.12595209

>>12594314
He cheated just like he cheated in the primary.

>> No.12595213

>>12595099
Yeah, don't you know that all democrats know to submit all of their mail at the same time to the same mailbox? It is pretty obvious that ol'' joe was gonna take it with this level of coordination and commitment, having the best voter fraud team ever assembled, there was no way trump would win this. If they needed 100k votes at a location, the dems gave it to them. Hell, there were another 100 million votes for trump you can be sure the dems would have rallied another 100 million more. Can't have a racist in the white house and all.

>> No.12595225

>>12595155
>>12594974
Took longer than I thought for a /pol/tard to show up.

On your Georgia point, they recounted 3 TIMES. I guess the entire state of georgia was complicit in this "steal" huh? The state of Georgia willingly let joe biden rig their election somehow. While we're at it every other state is in on it too to they made it so that joe biden won just enough so that it would seem credible. Oh and the entire federal government too is controlled by china by proxy through joe biden, who doesn't hold any political offices. But you know how it is though joe biden's got friends in high places.

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>>12594474
>this is just a statement of "there are more voters every year" which makes perfect sense.
This was not the case. "It makes sense after I think about it for 2 seconds and start typing" is not statistics despite what most people on the internet think. Try to do 10 seconds of research before posting next time.

>>12594498
True, it would be trivially easy to set up a bulletproof voting system. The reasons it hasn't been done are painfully clear no matter what "side" you are on.

>> No.12595233

>>12595155
>they recounted them so it would be moot.
>>12595225
>I guess the entire state of georgia was complicit in this "steal" huh?
You're an illiterate retard. Please use sage. This thread is no longer on topic.

>> No.12595234

>>12595225
>recounted
how would a recounting rule out harvested mail-in ballots?

>> No.12595236

>>12595234
Dumb shit my point is that THE STATE OF GEORGIA mailed those ballots. They're in on the steal too, they could've chosen not to but they did? Why did they do that?

>> No.12595240

>>12594718
Why are leftists so deranged? Look at yourself.

>> No.12595241

>>12594718
He asked a fair question and has been quite receptive to explanations that don't fit the fraud narrative. I hate /pol/lack cross posters as much as anyone but I don't think we should jump down someone's throat if they ask a good faith question on a topic that just happens to be political.

>> No.12595254

>>12595229
>True, it would be trivially easy to set up a bulletproof voting system.
How?

>> No.12595267

>>12595155
>anecdotal evidence
>There is eyewitness
There is anecdotal 'evidence' and eyewitness reports of bigfoot, aliens, wolfmen, ghosts, demons, cities made of gold, and time travel, but as soon as its politically charged, it becomes a credible source of information? You remember all those times Trump went to court with absolutely no real evidence, and basically got told to fuck off? Apparently not.

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>>12595267
Sworn affidavits are legal evidence and carry severe penalty for falsehood. You're argument is invalid but look at this bird. Maybe you'll feel better.
Also, please use sage.

>> No.12595273

>>12595254
A ledger. SSN generates a private and a public key. If someone wishes they can reset their key (if they accidentally shared their private key), in turn resetting their vote. Any voter could verify their vote matched their public key. Doesn't stop the dead people voting problem but these sorts of things should at least be more obvious by shoring up the rest of the system.

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>>12595269
>sage

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>>12595229
>be small country of Zeelandia
>be year 2011
>population of 3 people
>66% turnout in 2011
>is 2 votes total
>be 2015
>population is now 17 people
>25% turnout in 2015
>is 4 votes total
>more votes in 2015 than 2011
>b-b-b-but 66% turnout > 25% turnout !!!

>> No.12595303

>>12595273
>If someone wishes they can reset their key (if they accidentally shared their private key), in turn resetting their vote. Doesn't stop the dead people voting problem but these sorts of things should at least be more obvious by shoring up the rest of the system.
Then it's not bulletproof. The first thing we would need is a set of national standards standardizing how elections are held and who can and cannot vote. As of now, states decide how elections are run for the most part, and the standards for registration and enfranchisement vary greatly from state to state. Any national changes to the voting process would require a constitutional amendment, which would require bipartisan support in every state, so that ain't happening any time soon.

>> No.12595318

>>12595269
>Sworn affidavits are legal evidence and carry severe penalty for falsehood.
Because a person could be put in a psych ward, lose all credibility, and possibly their job by claiming they saw space-fairing demon wolfmen in a golden city while traveling to the past, their unsubstantiated claim MUST be true and credible! No one would dare lie if there were consequences! 10/10 brain skills. You got em' again boss!

>> No.12595359

So, does this board have the most /pol/ crossposting or does /tv/?

>> No.12595371

>>12595290
Did you think this was clever or insightful when you posted? Do you still feel the same way? It's a bit strange to me that someone would seek out a science oriented board and display this sort of logic as what I assume to be an argument.

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>>12595371
>this much seething

>> No.12595472

>>12594776
>>12594718
Yes. Surely this will convince him.

Go to /pol/ if you want to obsess about the orange man.

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>>12594718
We would be far more advanced today had we not been giving billions of dollars to blacks for decades.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/lGpgvkf3THs/

Also, we need gun rights and self-defense rights to defend from violent morons. Almost all crimes committed with firearms are committed with hand guns, yet leftists always talk about banning AR-15s. They ultimately want to ban all guns, but they need to start somewhere. No other weapons are as good for self-defense as firearms. When the modern revolver first came out in the 1830s, it was advertised as the best thing you could have for evening the playing field in a conflict, since even an old grandma was able to defend herself from a violent dumbass. The revolver even allowed her to miss a few times.

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>>12594314
The US is a sinking ship of cucks ruled by cucks and bastards. Obamas mother prostitute, trumps daughter and wife both whores. You are all ruined, you have been divided decades ago and the fuel is being added to the fire. Your kids hate you, and your parents are disappointed and ashamed of you, the opposite gender hates you or simply wants to use you. You are living a dystopia. These elections are meaningless to you. They have not and will not change anything that affects your life. Who wins depends on which plan rich Jews decided to go for this time.

also sage and for pic related
>muh engagement/hooliganism = more voters

>> No.12595753

>>12595240
>saying this while conservatives believe wild conspiracy theories with no evidence whatsoever and thought storming the capital for a fat orange fuck was a good idea.
After this election there will never be any doubt in the hearts and minds of everyone that conservatives are mentally ill

>> No.12596458

>>12594776
This is the most /pol/ tier post in this entire thread, ironically

>> No.12596478

>>12595710
Your image is retarded. Real income is already adjusted for inflation, so saying that the value of the dollar has fallen is double counting since the first graph already accounts for it. The second graph shows the unemployment rate falling as jobs are added, yet calls the latter meaningless with respect to the former. I don't know who's more stupid, the passion who made this image or the person who posted it thinking it says anything.

>> No.12596577

The other party promises warm bodies free money if they vote for them. They import them wholesale from other countries. Its not too complicated. You never see these people because roseta lives in the trailer park covered in cat piss and watches telenovas for a living.

>> No.12596608

>>12594314

To directly address the apparent skewing of mail in ballots towards Biden. Certain areas have a practice known as Ballot Harvesting. Where someone, usually a political operative, goes actively to places to harvest or collect votes. To say like a nursing home, or knock on every house in a block.

They essentially encourage people to give them their votes, and then mail them collectively. They may also 'help' fill out ballots. This practice is legal some places, illegal in others, but even in the case of illegally doing it, it is basically impossible to prove it unless you catch someone in the act.

>> No.12596688

>>12594314
Voting is a jewish scam

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>>12595267
Is there any other reason to ignore somebody more than when they have used the anecdotal Plebbit-tier logical fallacy fallacy. Anecdotal evidence are the only thing that exists which you don't directly observe and reason yourself. Even those things you reason yourself, and even some things you think you see, are often in a structure of assumptions that are anecdotal. First, the summary of your reasoning is an anecdotal accounting and where your reasoning links to another, this kingpin is another anecdotal account if you haven't flushed out literally the whole of a work. You may think you have reason to trust others summaries, but those are also just anecdotal accounts of their own works. You may even believe your own summaries, but they are nothing more than anecdotes.
Now we turn to the type of evidence a midwit like you prefers as you beg, mouth-open, please youtube debater, please wipe the dribble off your cock here:
EVERY STUDY AT THE DATA COLLECTION LEVEL IS ANECDOTAL.
EVERY ANALYSIS IS AN ANECDOTAL ACCOUNTING.
EVERY ANALYSIS USES SUMMARY OF CONSIDERED FACTS IN A FIELD BUILT ON REASONING OF ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE.
THESE FACTS ARE FOUND MERELY BY OTHERS SAYING CERTAIN ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE IS IN AGREEMENT.

>> No.12597830

>>12596608
Granny farming is the superior term for it

>> No.12599721

>>12596608
Do you think Trump, and every republican political commentator, preaching about how evil voting by mail for basically all of 2020 had any effect on the numbers?

>> No.12599728

>>12596689
damn you know someone got owned in the marketplace of ideas when they resort to solipsism this quickly.

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>>12594481
Ohio is called “The most Typical American State”. It’s basically the state that is the closest culturally and economically to the other 50 state of the nation. If you win it by a lot (Like Trump Did) then he should have won the election because it means he did very well in most other states. There is a reason why so many retail stores are headquartered in Columbus.

Iowa is almost only Middle Class. That is the main reason it’s chosen as one of the first states in the Primary. Trump had a landslide here meaning he should have had over performed amongst the Middle Class in every state.

Florida means he got the Senior Citizen vote and did well amongst Hispanics

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>>12599721
Why did it have an effect in some states and not others? Like I know Democrats returned a few percentage points more mail in ballots then Republicans but in Pennsylvania it was like 90% of the mail in votes were from Democrats

>> No.12600484
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>>12595318
Except the last I saw there were Over a thousand of them. Plus there is video evidence

>> No.12601614

>>12600484
There literally isn't, you're just parroting random shit you hear online cause your brain is so full of cope that you can't even bother to look it up yourself

>> No.12601805

>>12595318
why are people this skeptical about signed affidavits seldom as skeptical about anonymous sources in journalism

>> No.12602016

>>12600471
>meme image
because it was basically impossible to get a mail in ballot in previous elections. Fun fact, Ohio issued more mail in ballots than PA despite having less voters.
> but in Pennsylvania it was like 90% of the mail in votes were from Democrats
again, if you've never voted by mail before, and your god emperor trump tells you it's bad you'll probably vote in person.
But if you live in a state like Colorado, and have been voting by mail for the past 20 years, even if trump says it's bad you'll probably do the same thing you always do.

>> No.12602047

Only retard thinks that this election wasnt rigged.

>> No.12602069

>>12599728
Where is the solipsism?

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>>12594314
just found this picture of OP

>> No.12602334

>>12594314
He lost the popular vote in his forst election and won swing states by tiny margins. It's not incredible at all, and the trumpist arguments have been inconsistent. State courts even in the deep red south threw these allegations the fuck out because it's easier to sow doubt online than in front of a judge, the scale of conspiracy needed to rig this would be impossible.
>dead voters
Many of whom were shown not to be dead when investigated, or were dead but still had their names on registries without an actual ballot being cast.
>turnout was over 90-100%
If you count turnout a completely different way to how states count it
>mail in ballots are cheating
Were never insecure and this myth was specifically promoted by trump because he knew dems were trying to get supressed voters to participate (polling hours have been shortened and polling places distanced from minority neighbourhoods for a long tine)
>The blue line shot up over the red line in one big jump
If you look, trump's votes increased at the same time biden's did by a smaller vertical leap

>> No.12602840

>>12594718
It's retarded comments like yours that beget retards like >>12595613. you types should get a room

>> No.12602896

>>12594974
he didn't say trump voters are hicks you 0 iq inbred illiterate nigger he said trump told his voters not to vote by mail which is true. imagine writing that whole essay while not even reading the point that you're supposedly responding to. obviously a given candidate who tells his supporters not to do x will have less of his supporters do x than a candidate who tells his supporters to do x. take your medicine and back to /pol/ you retarded schizo.

>> No.12604767

>>12602840
>We would be far more advanced today had we not been giving billions of dollars to blacks for decades.
>https://www.bitchute.com/video/lGpgvkf3THs/
What's retarded about any of this?

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>>12602896
>he didn't say trump voters are hicks you 0 iq inbred illiterate nigger

Except he did (>>12594718
>>12594776), and then you did. You people claim to be open minded, and you say you support diversity, but you hate white people and the working class. You pretend to care about the working class because it makes you feel like a good person, but as you even say in your post, people who disagree with you are 'illiterate niggers'.

You're not 'open minded' and you're not politically informed, as you would like to think. You are suffering from cognitive bias and your attitudes towards anyone who isn't a corporate democrat/neolib suggest that you lack a theory of mind.

>> No.12607260

>>12594894
Voter suppression of blacks has been going on for a while.

>> No.12607297

>>12607260
By voter suppression, do you mean the occasional caravans democrats set up to get lazy black people to register and vote? They send out vans telling blacks get in, and then bring all of them to locations for them to register, and then they come back later to gather them all up to vote. If you're too lazy to go out and vote, you clearly don't give a rat's ass about politics, so you're definitely going to be uninformed. Are you going to tell me that black voters are suppressed through policies like mandatory voter ID?

>> No.12607359

>>12607297
Things like very few polling places in urban mostly Black areas in Georgia for example making 3 hour long lines while in White neighborhoods there are plenty of polling locations. This was crucial this election when mail in was easily accessible. There are many more things like voting list purges and others you can read about.

>> No.12607437

>>12607359
What do they contribute?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/lGpgvkf3THs/

>> No.12607445

>>12594718
>>12594776
jesus mary and joseph get a grip guys, ffs

>> No.12607448

>>12607437
I mean thanks for proving his point I guess.

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>>12594314

>> No.12608143 [DELETED] 

>>12607359
>>12607448
If you live in the city, it shouldn't take more than half an hour to go somewhere where there are shorter lines for voting. Also, modern democracy is essentially rule by the mainstream media. Everything that isn't the mainstream media is getting censored into oblivion, and coupled with advancements in AI, those who own and control the mainstream media will be able to dictate exactly how we think, what we believe, what we like and do not like, and what we identify as, and they already largely do.

>> No.12608153

>>12607359
>>12607448
If you live in the city, it shouldn't take more than half an hour to go somewhere where there are shorter lines for voting. Most of the people living in those nice neighborhoods are Democrat voters. Most wealthy people, regardless of race, vote Democrat. Wealthy people almost exclusively donate money towards Democrat campaigns and leftist NGOs. Also, modern democracy is essentially rule by the mainstream media. Everything that isn't the mainstream media is getting censored into oblivion, and coupled with advancements in AI, those who own and control the mainstream media will be able to dictate exactly how we think, what we believe, what we like and do not like, and what we identify as, and they already largely do.

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>>12605137
>Except he did (>>12594718 #
>>12594776 #)
what does >>12594718 and
>>12594776 have to do with >>12594865? (ie. the post that you were replying to.)
>and then you did
I never said anything of the sort. you unironically have nigger tier reading comprehension.
>You people claim to be open minded
no I don't. don't put words in my mouth. all I said was he (>>12594865) never said trump voters didn't vote because they are hicks but rather because trump told them not to vote by mail, which is true. stop creating straw men.
>but you hate white people and the working class.
no I don't. I'm white myself and if you must know I support sending niggers like you back to africa.
>You pretend to care about the working class because it makes you feel like a good person
what are you even on about?
>people who disagree with you are 'illiterate niggers'.
we don't 'disagree'. this is not an argument. you made a false claim, namely that >>12594865 claimed trump voters didn't vote because they are hicks. the reason why you thought he said this is because you are an illiterate nigger; alternatively it's because you are a disingenuous cunt.
>You are suffering from cognitive bias and your attitudes towards anyone who isn't a corporate democrat/neolib suggest that you lack a theory of mind.
I would say you are suffering from cognitive bias but I don't think you have even crossed the threshold of cognition in the first place.
just kill yourself or go back to facebook already

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>>12594314

>> No.12608384

>>12608153
You have to vote in a certain precinct

>> No.12609077

>>12608384
In the USA, when you register to vote, on election day, you are only permitted to vote at the location on your voter registration card, but for early voting, you can vote at any polling station in the entire state you are registered to vote in.

>> No.12609084

>>12594776
niggers

>> No.12609087

>>12594314
>Biden is will be the first President in history to win while losing both Ohio and Florida. Obama and Trump both won Ohio, Florida and Iowa. Biden lost all three.
Nothing to do with math or science. This is just schizo rambling. It’s also meaningless who cares?
>Both Biden and Trump received millions more votes than any Presidential candidate in history. The assertion being this doesn't make sense.
Turnout was high but not insanely high. Politics is directly effecting people now since COVID make sense for more people to be voting as it’s louder in their life.
>Trump was vastly in the lead until mail in votes dumped some of which were over 99% for Biden, statistically impossible
This number is wrong biden did not get 99% of the mail in vote.