/sci/ - Science & Math

Doubtful. Everyone who currently exists is from the big families of history that outbred everyone else. Birthrates are still crashing.

That's what I would expect in ideal conditions. Modern society is far from ideal, as it already meets various requirements to be classified as a dystopian future.

>>12483661
No because not reproducing isn't genetic but rather systematic.

>>12483661
This thread is gonna bring out the psychotic religious whacko CONSUUUUUUUUUMERS who will tell you:
>Nothing to see here folks, move along
every single time.

But obviously, the people who aren't fazed by the implosion of the biosphere, and the depletion of non-renewable natural resources are more likely to pass on their genes. As well as the people who feel fulfillment in life with less - less free time, less food, fewer possessions.

No, because genetic influence on family size is small compared to societal pressure. That's why you got six children century earlier and less than two now.

>>12483661
Also, whether its genes or culture is irrelevant. Both are passed from one generation to the next.

>>12483785
Culture is mostly passed from the government.

>>12483697
Low IQ post

>>12483740
But won't societal pressure shift towards natalism once virtually everyone has pro-natalist instinct genes?
>>12483721
I like the
>hurr durr but every human on earth could fit in Texas therefore we are not overpopated
Those people are retards.

>>12483661
Catholics.

>>12483850
Everyone had them ~100 years ago. Were they weeded out so soon?

>>12483661
Can someone explain why low fertility lifestyle and low preference has a much higher frequency then low fertility lifestyle and low preference? I would think those with high preference would try more often than those with low preference to have kids.

>>12483661
Are you happy sharing your 3 bedroom house with your family of 12? Then you are the future.

>>12483858
That's why I'm asking if this shit works. In many euro countries in the first years of the 20th century the share of childless people was quite high, and now the grandchildren of the superbreeders are not fertile at all.

>>12483684
The big families of history that outbred everyone else didn't live under modern selection pressures, retard. Do you not realize how novel industrial society is, evolutionarily speaking?

>>12483852
Muslims...

Personally I'm inclined to believe that part of the model is due to outbreeding.
There is a paper by Richard Sibly that looked at population growth rates relative to their size
Sibly, R. M. (2005). On the Regulation of Populations of Mammals, Birds, Fish, and Insects. Science, 309(5734), 607–610. doi:10.1126/science.1110760
https://sci-hub..
se/10.1126/science.1110760
https://files.catbox.moe/5ojyg4.pdf

>>12484149
And Helgason's 2008 iceland fertility study that looked at 200 years of birth and marriage records
http://facelab.org/debruine/Teaching/EvPsych/files/Helgason_2008.pdf

>>12483925
France is already starting to show signs of a fertility transition. France was the first European country to undergo a modern drop in fertility, yet France today has one of the highest fertility rates in Europe.

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/france-as-epicenter-of-fertility-transition/

There probably won't be any biological humans on Earth 100 years from now so it's hard to see how this is relevant to anything.

>>12484166
Are those the ethnic french or the migrants inflating numbers?

>>12484184
Yes.

>>12484176
False.

>>12484184
Probably both to some degree. Native French women almost certainly outbreed other native European women. Germany, for instance, also had a large migrant population, yet Germany has a much lower fertility rate than France. France also has a much larger population than demographers from the early 20th century predicted.

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/breeders-revenge/

>Then the worm turned. German fertility plummeted after World War I, and even the Nazis with their “Kinder, Küche, Kirche” rhetoric were unable to force a recovery to peak Weimar levels. Meanwhile, the French – long derided for “race decay” by the Anglo-Saxons and the Germans – started to make more babies. Ironically, this began during the Vichy period, at the trough of France’s fortunes, and spread to the rest of the country after 1945; the French have been much more fertile than the Germans ever since. Whereas one 1920s League of Nations demographic projection saw the French population falling from 40 million to 29 million by 1970, it instead soared and now stands at 65 million.
>But why this turnaround?
>I would argue that this historical French dissolution paved the way for present day French virility, and conversely, past German “culture-forced” virility paved the way to present day dissolution. Or to put it in numbers, whereas Germany underwent its fertility 3 generations ago, the France had their about 5 generations ago. Their society has been selecting against those who reproduced less for a while longer, and it is starting to tell.

>>12483661
Yeah no shit the spike is due to all the third world niggers and they're framing this as a good thing

>>12484184
>>12484166
All those areas are from the places with the most niggers

>>12485485
SO since the immigrant populations are completely naive to this are they going to collapse?

>>12484166
>>12485485

Do you have something apart from A. Karlin's stuff? It'd be cool to see if there are models and how much they correlate with actual data.
Also I don't know how much France can be used as an example.
>In 2018, 31.9% of newborns in France had at least one foreign-born parent and 27.7% had at least one parent born outside of Europe (EU 28) (parents born in overseas territories are considered as born in France).
And this is counting second and third generation "french" arab and niggers.

>>12485579
I really wonder at what point white leftists will start to realize the shear magnitude of their fuckup. Will it be once their grandchildren make up the minority with 10% of the population and are experiencing poverty and state sanction discrimination in their homelands?

>>12485579
>>12485651
What are they going to say?
>b, b, but we always supported your people coming here?
>NO WHITEY WE ALWAYS SUPPORTED YOU HERE IT'S OUR HOMELAND

I suppose history repeats. This is exactly what happened to the natives in North America

IQ is a false confidence, what matters is ingroup preference all the models show that the higher your ingroup preference the better your chance of surviving
europeans have been conditioned over the last century by duplicitous elites to drop this ingroup preference

>>12485579
>27.7% had at least one parent born outside of Europe
Please tell me this isn't true, it's fucking over isn't it lmao fuck this gay nigger infested world.

>>12486848
It's true. Sooner or later when resources become tight and people become desperate. The minority french will be wiped out by the foreigners they've brought in.
Mind you, the same would happen between different types of french people under similar conditions. Hugeunots vs catholics if necessary. People become animals when desperate. And they will become desperate. It's just a matter of time.

>>12486848
It was an act of extreme shortsightedness and greed that allowed these foreigners to come in first place. In the end people tend to pay dearly for getting too greedy.

>>12486848
From wikipedia
>According to INSEE, since 2004, 200,000 immigrants entered the country annually. One out of two was born in Europe and one in three in Africa.
>Between 2006–08, about 40% of newborns in France had one foreign-born grandparent (11% born in another European country, 16% born in the Maghreb and 12% born in another region of the world). Censuses on race and ethnic origin were banned by the French Government in 1978.

>>12486915
>As of 2004, French conservative think-tank Institut Montaigne estimated that there were 51 million (85%) white people of European origin
...
>as of 2004
>France was only 85% white in 2004
>next generation is already 30% nonwhite and this is only increasing

>>12486848
It is over.
We don't have ethnic stats but we track newborns from African and middle eastern parents (and South Italy and India), to test them for sickle cell disease.
We only test them when the two parents are from these areas, so mixed kids aren't counted.

Well the tested kids make up 40% of "french" newborns.


(Some people try to say these numbers aren't valid because some maternity centres around Paris test all their newborns (because the non-africans are too small a minority there), but pic related shows that the frequency of actual cases detected among the tested kids (incidence ciblee) went up, which means African ancestry among the tested went up.

We had a good run, but we're finished.

>>12487000

>>12487006

We don't notice that our water is slowly boiling...

>>12486891
the greedy ones who allowed them in won't pay

in 100 years everyone will be Mormon

>>12486875
Whites are a systematically violent tribe and possibly the greatest warrior race on earth when they unify, all hope is not lost but the future will be a war torn hell.

>>12487789
Not necessarily a bad thing.

>>12487783
well maybe not but their grandchildren will

>>12487799
and their racial group.

>>12487827
a big part of the reason much of their racial group isn't having grandchildren is because they've imported so many foreigners.

>>12487789
>breeds in your way

>>12487827
no jobs, no prospects, no money, no house, no wife, no kids.
try getting a job as a cabbie if you're white. try even getting a job flipping burgers. the only thing left is trades really, and they rely on construction jobs building homes for foreigners. its not looking good at all. bankers and politicians had to have their "economic growth" so bad, they literally betrayed their own people to get it.

>>12487868
>they literally betrayed their own people to get it.
they don't think of us as their own people, only mindless cattle

>>12487789
Mormons actually have effectively eugenic selection for intelligence. those guys are getting smarter and smarter.

>>12487872
in that case they've decided to get themselves a whole new set of mindless cattle that looks nothing like them

>>12487006
don't go out like a good goy, do something.

>>12487903
These ones look even less like them.

ask /pol/

>>12483661
me in dotted green. heh.

New Order Of Barbarians Dr Richard Day
https://archive.org/stream/NewOrderOfBarbariansDrRichardDayCompletteAll4Tapes/NWORichardDay_djvu.txt

>>12487000
Based. France will be the first european country to pay for what they did and are still doing to west africa.

>>12491501
>what they did and are still doing to west africa.
Yes indeed. Feeding wild animals is wrong. It creates aggressive behaviours and ecosystem collapse. Hopefully that'll teach other white people to stop doing that.

>>12491501
(((french))) people

>>12483661
Birthrates will probably only spike again once women leave the workforce, that's been the real killer to population growth in the west. And that won't happen until automation kills off most jobs for everyone

Though I also think there is kinda a feeling people just HAVE about areas that raises population to a certain point.

Something I think about it Ireland still has quite high birth rates and I can't think it's a coincidence that the population has only barely recovered since the potato famine. I wonder if humans just kinda know when to stop making babies

>>12483692
>various requirements to be classified as a dystopian future.
Which ones?

>>12491547
I'm going to express this more literally to escape the /pl/tard accusation, those profiting from france's overseas colonies are the french globalist financial elites,the french public does not benefit.

>>12491562
>I wonder if humans just kinda know when to stop making babies
Richard Sibly conducted an investigation into various species population size vs growth rate, he found a fairly consistent pattern repeated through each species, that populations will naturally curtail population growth even in the event of not using all resources or overproduce despite low resources. It's quite peculiar

>>12491562
I wonder how significant is the correlation between urban density and birth rates.

>>12483661
No. Put simply: We have no biological imperative to "have children". We are driven simply to fuck each other, and to rear children once they have been born. The desire to have children itself would not have been useful in our distant past, and hence does not present as a "low level" trait. I.e. It cannot simply be selected for, as is evidenced by its high susceptibility to influence by such things as ideology or personal circumstances. When we consider factors like the ever increasing availability of contraception and decreasing prevalence of the conservative frameworks which tend to lead to higher birth rates, we can be fairly sure that your scenario is unlikely.

>>12491620
>The desire to have children itself would not have been useful in our distant past
Prove it.

And explain why childless females kidnapping newborns to rear is common among other species.

>>12491588
Sibly, R. M. (2005). On the Regulation of Populations of Mammals, Birds, Fish, and Insects. Science, 309(5734), 607–610. doi:10.1126/science.1110760
https://sci-hub..
se/10.1126/science.1110760
https://files.catbox.moe/5ojyg4.pdf

>>12491496
>>>
SEX - PORNOGRAPHY
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Dr. Day said sex will be separated from marriage and reproduction ( i.e. "sexual liberation") to break up the family and reduce population. Abortion, divorce and homosexuality will be made socially acceptable.
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"Homosexuals will be given permission to act out. Everyone including the elderly will be encouraged to have sex. It will be brought out into the open. Anything goes." [The "Stonewall Riots" which unleashed the "gay rights" movement, took place three months later.] The ultimate goal is to have sex without reproduction. Reproduction without sex will occur in laboratories. Family size will be limited as in China.

>>12491620
>We are driven simply to fuck each other, and to rear children once they have been born.
this is your brain on melanin.

>>12491620
Keep thinking Einstein, one day you might have an original thought that also happens to be true.

>>12484166
Those are Africans and MENA people most likely.

>>12483661
>”I want big family genes”
Wanting a big family is cultural, not genetic, and even if it wasn’t there is no reason to suspect that this supposed genome would increase or is increasing currently.

When family-lovers are persecuted by state, 1-2 kid havers take it more easy than someone who has more children, so they are less stressed and have the advantage.

>>12495203
Those that want large families and can rally the resources to support them outbreed all others long term.