/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12393096
Unclamped, relatively unvaxxed, and uncut.

Because Nazi racialist theories are nonsense, at least when it comes to slavs. The only person who has been able to solve a millennium prize problem so far was Russian.

>>12393139
>The only person who has been able to solve a millennium prize problem so far was Russian.
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>>12393149
Russian-Jewish*****

Guaranteed Replies Answer:
>Operation Paperclip went both ways

Actual answer:
>US MiC was incredibly spread out literally rebuilding western Europe and organizing the the largest extension of US Sphere of Influence to realize how far the CCCP had come in terms of space exploration.

>>12393201
USA 100% got the better deal in terms of getting Nazi scientists.
Russians had the work of Tsiolkovsky to work with.

>>12393096
Better at math and engineering, better ability to cooperate.

>>12393096
I have no idea what are you talking about, anyway, get on this level, Subhuman.

USA vs USSR is the most impressive period in human history in terms of scientific/engineering development.
I cannot believe there will ever be a greater period, in terms of sheer volume, period than the 1950s - 1980s in human history.

>>12393231
The USSR would have made it to the moon as well. They landed on planets further away than the moon long before that. The problem is that the Soviet system was more inefficient/politically controlled. When the top rocket engineer died prematurely, the politicians did not want to invest further into the moon landing program and cancelled it.

>>12393201
One of those guaranteed replies right here

>>12393247
They completely gave up when their N1 rocket was an utter failure and exploded, to say they ever had a chance to land on the moon is delusional.

>>12393247
This is cringe cope. Give the ruskies the points for the actual good shit they did, but fuck off with that moon shit. They were economically hemorrhaging in the mid-60’s and actually had to focus on a bunch of puppet govt’s potentially falling apart. Now, amerimutts we’re doing the same but no one in human history has perfected the military industrial complex like the USA in the last half of the 20th century.

>>12393298
N1 was initially designed for a Mars flyby. It's only when screeches came from the above they had to redesign it for the Moon landing, which obviously didn't succeed. It's an entirely different mission profile with a different set of challenges.

>>12393315
>lose to a bunch of gooks on trees
ah yes, the famed American military prowess

There were several opportunities for the US to beat the Soviets into space but for some dumb policy reasons they were prohibited from making that final step. Probably scared of high profile failure so they got overly conservative. The Soviets had the ability to coverup any failures they had so they didn't need to be so conservative.
It does make me wonder if the US had made it into space first, would that have given the USSR more motivation to make it to the Moon first while the US would have been more complacent, having made it into space first?

>>12393096
slavs are surprinsingly smart when they are sober

>>12393315
They weren't hemorrhaging in the 60s they have always been economic middleweights.

They are smart but for some reason they aren't as good at capitalism as westerners and east asians. Not enough obedient wagecucks and bugmen perhaps.

>>12393096
The US was (potentially overly) cautious in manned programs, and intent on developing systems that built off of each other. Meanwhile, the USSR was more interested in accomplishing prestige projects as quickly as possible. They flew a fairly small amount of one-off manned missions to get "firsts," but were never able to build off of their early gains in a meaningful way. If you compare the two flights of the Voskhod program to the more numerous and objective-based Gemini flights, this distinction becomes clear.

By the time Soyuz was unfucked and they were able to begin gaining consistent experience with Salyut, the US had a major lead in both experience and technology. The American approach took more time, but allowed them to have a strong base of knowledge from which to launch significantly more impressive missions.

This difference in approaches is the reason why the US was able to (often quite quickly) meet or surpass Soviet manned spaceflight achievements, while the Soviets were never able to accomplish anything approaching the scale and technical complexity of the Apollo program.

>>12393096
They also got German technology and scientists.

>>12393096
COPE

>>12393096
the power of 40 years(half of that during WW2 or rebuilding) of communism applied to a place that was technologicaly in the middle ages and before american capitalists attacked in the most vicious and agresive way ever seen in history.

Congrats americans you ruined paradise.

and yeah before you go mentioning ussr problems, do keep in mind that even with a myriad of disadvantages against it was absolute number one for all basic standard of living indicators.

While americans having stolen everything from everyone for hundreds of years live like absolute shit, yeah sure Johny you work 2 jobs to pay your mother in law cancer surgery youre living the dream. if oyu get 2 more jobs you can get your child to a shitty college.

USSR= communism with a trillion disadvantages and the whoel world agresively fighting against it =still pretty good

USA= Capitalism with all of the advantages in the world literally stealing all from everyone since it exist playing the most unfair way most unethical it can think: still pretty crappy

this is the objective truth wetheare you can handerl it or not

>>12393096
>Einstein
lol

>>12393317
But the N1 didn't fail because of a mission change, it failed because of engine problems in the first stage. The different end goal likely didn't affect the shoddy caftsmanship.

>>12393968
N1 failed because of mad levels of intromisions from political officers.

Its like claiming that youre impotent if i stick the point of a sharp abyonet up your ass while youre fucking your wife and demand that you cum 3 times in a row or ill cut you in half

>>12393898
imagination a world without the US and imperialist pressures
ugh... what could've been
mankind would've been to the moon by now...

>>12394043
there were other entries to that contest, yes socialist realism was a horriible mistake.

Americans chose to kill their family for money even when they had no threat for 300 years.

Yes, soviets made some bad decisions while being under attakc by the worst agressive nation ever while recovering from being the most damaged nation from the most destructive war and still winning.

>>12393898
lmao

>>12393247
landing hunks of metal on on Venus and Mars is baby’s play to compared to landing on the moon. You are retarded.

>>12393096
Soviet space program was faked.

>>12393096
Because after WW2 the US was complacent, religion was ascendant, minorities were oppressed in the name of that religion, and Science was regarded with fear and suspicion. It took the Soviet Union pushing forward and showing the west they were falling behind with Sputnik and Gagarin in order to cause the US to shift back into gear and begin promoting science and technology again.
Unfortunately, the US likes to tell itself stories where it won and now it can sit back and relax. "We won the space race" by landing on the Moon then had Republicans gut the program, leaving us going in circles and then even prevent replacing the Shuttle because they saw it as Reagan's legacy, even as it was a collection of dangerous prototypes which never saw the refinements of further production the program was supposed to have gotten with updated designs like the Venture Star.

Ultimately dooming us to decades of stagnation where we were ultimately forced to buy seats from the Russians to get to orbit.

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>>12393096
Because accepting communist lies for many years allowed them to more quickly accept that in motion pi=4.

>>12393096
They picked the better german nazi as a base for their rocket program via Operation "Osoaviakhim" equivalent of US Operation Paperclip.
The rockets used by the CCCP basically were a continuation of the V-2 rocket program with many technical leaders of it.

>>12393096
Because National socialism was German cope for getting their ass handed to them fair and square in WWI.
>muh two fronts!
Kys

>>12394505
I hate you so much please leave the year 2000.

>>12393201
Both of those are true to some extent.

>>12393318
That's not the point of the MIC buddy

>>12393898
> it was absolute number one for all basic standard of living indicators.
Even if this was true, it doesn't matter at all. A materialist worldview that cannot provide material fulfilment beyond basic survival will never ever succeed and communism was not consumerist, therefore it was doomed.
Russians are very smart and capable people which is why the model worked at all, but you can see that their success was based on intellectual keystones like Korolev and Kalashnikov with a much lower overall level of expertise. If a Tsar had come along with any idea of how to industrialize the country Russia would be ten times better off than it is today.
The "muh world wouldn't play fair" argument is a shitty cope too. I'm from an ex-Yu country, with no significant pressures on the economy or military until the very last days, and the economy still declined and the country still fell apart due to VERY REAL FLAWS in socialist economic and social organization that simply disincentivize talent across the board.
When you inject party politics into everything and equalize skilled and unskilled income, the people become entitled and the experts are demoralized, so every aspect of society freezes up with distrust and spite and the country rots. Only a fucking retard could imagine that worker self-rule would produce anything but a bunch of corruption and ignorant dipshits splitting into cliques. (Cuba is not a valid counterexample because wartime siege footing instills unity, but even there the bureaucrats are wealthier than any experts, you can meet them on the resort beaches sometimes and it's just like in exYu or USSR.)
China has fixed those mistakes with nationalism and a return to old imperial philosophy and metaphysics, the only fix for the flaws of socialism, and I eagerly wait to see the end results of that.

>>12394505
le reddit army has arrived

Communism is a bad system and is less efficient overall but the upside of a planned economy is that it's planned, e.g. you can focus resources to specific areas to stay on par or even go beyond the competition compared to the total resources at your disposal. USSR also had lot of resources at their disposal so to those few key things they really focused on they could get lot of stuff done. Also russians aren't particularly low IQ nation anyways and there's a lot of them, slavs get bad name for the balkan slavs more than russians really.

>>12395264
A mixed economy is the way to go

>>12393898
>to a place that was technologicaly in the middle ages
Wrong, that's the technological place Austria, Germany and others were scared of and were in war with. You have no idea what are you talking about.

>>12393096
They were faster because they neglected safety. Do you know how many dead pioneers and animals ended up for them?

>>12393096
Rockets are not a serious scientific problem, just industrial. That has its merits of course but basically its just a bigger tube full of fuel. The first rocket to reach space was made by Goddard, an American. Never forget. A lot of things are possible when the political class decides to hire scientists, give them money and a task instead of brutalizing them in SAW gladiatorial games.

>>12395477
Turbines are harder to make than rockets. Never forget.

The Americans actually put von Braun on the backburner for a while, while they were doing their own rocket development not so closely based on the V2 rocket, due to some national pride. Only after the Navy's designs failed with no immediate success in sight and the russians launching sputnik, did they go with von Braun's proposals.

The BBC made a decent documentary in 2005 about the whole space race. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcLphSY8PX0

>>12393392
>They are smart but for some reason they aren't as good at capitalism as westerners and east asians. Not enough obedient wagecucks and bugmen perhaps.
Because the state is controlled by the mafia and plutocratic elites in bed with the mafia. You can't become anything in Russia without Putin and organised crime approving of it.

>>12393563
The US got more.
The Russian program was mostly based on the theoretical work of Tsiolokovski. Ironically, the same guy Nazi scientists used for their work. They didn't get a rocket scientist in the level of Von Braun. Their use of German V2s was for emperical data gathering.
Stop being a dumb /pol/tard wignat.

>>12393911
>le Enstein was a fraud who copied everyone /pol/tard

>>12393968
The chief engineer died and politciants didn't want to invest more money into it. It definitely got scrapped for political reasons. You really don't understand how politicised everything was in the USSR. It was on a whole different level.

>>12394440
Your mom faked her orgasm when your dad cummed into her and now she regrets every doing it.

>>12393096
The answer is obvious: Slaviks are not subhumans. We're whites currently oppressed by the schizophrenic afroasiatic subhumans with exact instructions from the traitors of the white race due to their tiny petty isle nationalism.

>>12393234
> shitton of rockets
wow that's the most impressive period in human history!
> literally editing human genome in adults
nah, I don't get it at all
Suckers to mic are dumb as fuck as usual.

>>12393096
Their Nazis were better than our Nazis.

>>12395601

>>12395601
Americans got the best German scientists. None of them wanted to live under communism.

>>12395555
Redpill me on Henri Becquerel

>>12393096
Russians had a long-standing school of aerospace engineering. Even Americans employed top aeronautics engineers from former tsarist Russia at the time. See: Alexander Kartveli, Igor Sikorsky, and Michael Gregor.

Space

>>12393096
Because they were uncut.

>>12396128
Smart American. Not many smart Americans around. I feel sorry for you for living a country where 50% fall for low iq trump fake populism.

>>12393096
>How did Slavic subhumans beat the West and America to space
well Von Braun was half slav, what gives germano-angos cant into space

>>12396686
I'm not American, bro.

>>12396734
>Von Braun was half slav
Magnus is his father, so he was a quarter slavik.

>>12396790
what ever, I was wondering does he have slavic genes looking at his typical slavic forehead, big head, nose and lips.

McDonald’s was an easier sell compadre

>>12393096

The Russians got that "fuck it, it works!" attitude.

>AK-47s flex so much you can't put a fucking scope on the upper much past the barrel
>RPG-7s are left-hand fucking shoot (for Christ's sake)
>pic related...no benches, make due

The most worthy enemy the US never directly fought.

Ok listen you dumb, fucking mutts. There is no such thing as "slavs" this crap was made up in the nineteenth century so that russians could subvert other nations more easily. Nobody really fell for it ,except for retard mutts who take to all sorts of ideologies that generally only appeal to dumbfucks. Thats just how things are over the ocean.

>>12396830
>There is no such thing as "slavs"
>god please make them go away, I'm so scared, please god

>>12393096
Albert Einstein just took the credit from his wife witch was Serbian and is thought to developed theory together with Albert but western historians claim its just a Serbian folklor

>>12393911
Yeah, Einstein living in the US had no effect on the space program. Among other reasons, he died in 1955, before the programs got going on either side of the Iron Curtain.

>>12396686
>low iq trump fake populism
I'm also not american, but my iq is rather hight. Am I wrong for having disdain towards clerks?

>>12393096
Slavs were spending close to 20% of their GPD on space. America was spending close to ~4%.

>>12393096
neither werner von braun nor einstein were americans

>>12393096
russia still has a lot of potential
largely because it is white

I'm a child of Polish immigrants. The slavic infighting always puzzled me. I guess I would have to have been born there. But why do Poles hate Russians as much as the English hate Germans?

>>12397116
DIvide et empera. So poles divide russians and germans, and germans divide assex & pussex

>>12397107
(F)actually accurate

>>12393201
And the USSR was rebuilding itself and Eastern Europe.

>>12395595
Genetics progressed incredibly far in the Cold War.

>>12398025
In russia it wasn't. If anything in particular caused the boom in genetics, it was LSD (same is true for the increbidle progress in computer science)

>>12396819
don't forget
> still using the Soyuz launch system

>>12393234
>>I cannot believe there will ever be a greater period, in terms of sheer volume, period than the 1950s - 1980s in human history.

they are all low hanging fruits

>>12395601
Not really, the US just wouldn't use their nazis for a very very long time and had them on ice forever while their own rockets continued to blow up and implode on the pad. The Russians did not care, they just worked theirs to the bone.

thousands of German scientists and technicians of all types across the Eastern zone, along with their families after the war.

Germans were by far the most advanced in rocketry at the time.

and they call /sci/ the most smart board. the amount of brainwashed delusional retards here is beyond belief. only few good ones still remain.