/sci/ - Science & Math

I already flew to space. It wasn't that interesting. Later, losers.

hop when

>>12363549
Didn't realize how shit the resolution was whoops

Elon Musk will create a factory on Mars to produce robot catgirls. These catgirls will be neurally patterned off Grimes and she will have full control and sensory feedback from all of them through Neuralink. Humans on Mars will exist for the preservation of human genetics and from Grimes' amusement and sexual pleasure.

>>12363568
>Curiosity
>those beat up wheels
I'm honestly surprised it's still going

>>12363581
JPL is blessed by the machine spirits, every rover they build lasts fucking forever

>>12363558
Q2 2021, we've gone over this

>>12363558
I'd guess a month out for pad work. They seem to be gearing up to test SN9 in the meantime.

We have never been to space

>>12363576
those are robotic welders for the tile mounts

>>12363590
now that we know Raptor is fine and the problem was Musk being too stubborn to use a flame diverter, I think we're probably on track for a December or Q1/21 hop

>>12363587
It's funny how JPL has extremely pessimistic mission times yet overengineers their rovers.
Opportunity has a mission time of 4 years, but the rover is built to last atleast 14

>>12363607
>get funded for a four year rover mission
>build it to last over a decade
>if anyone asks why just tell them space is hard
>rovers consistently live 10+ years
>recieve mission extension cash forever
It's basically just a budget scam

>>12363614
maybe, but lets not tell them, more science points

>>12363603
There's no flame trenches on Moon or Mars

>>12363623
correct which is why Elon's solution is to armor the Starship dance floor

>>12363623
Not yet

>>12363614
It's honestly kind of smart. It's much easier to sell a 4 year long mission to budget makers than one that lasts over a decade. And once the thing has landed no one wants be known as the person who defunded the perfectly working Mars rover mission.
Now that's got me thinking. Has there ever been a deep space mission that was ended despite the spacecraft being in perfectly good working order?

The early scott manley KSP videos are so comfy. What happened to the good old days : (

>>12363099
>>12363633
Feels like we're missing out on something vital by not developing and perfecting mini-shuttles

>>12363632
yeah

>>12363649
they're pointless unless you integrate them into the upper stage, and traditionally launch vehicle and capsule design have been separate companies

>>12363649
I could see something like a Falcon 9 scale Starship being made by a competitor simply because Starship is dramatically overkill for LEO. It would still need to be fully and rapidly reusable to be competitive, but if you do manage that it's one of the few things that could survive in a Starship driven market.

>>12363597
we are always in space and always have been, ya dingus

>>12363661
>Falcon 9 scale Starship
too small, New Glenn scale Starship

>>12363632
Depends on what you mean by "working order". Mariner 3 was still fully functional when the mission was terminated due to the rcs fuel running out

>>12363664
>New Glenn scale Starship
too big, Starship scale Starship

>>12363649
Definitely. For me it's Hermes. Quintessential ESA opportunity wasting

>>12363641
Nothing left to do. I wouldn't like him to become of one of those ksp youtubers who grind out pointless videos every day/week like Matt Lowne.

>>12363670
Starship is much bigger than New Glenn, anon

>>12363666
Meant to say Mariner 6

>>12363671
Seriously we exist in the timeline where we went full retard with a massively oversized shuttle, then back to capsules for years, and now still capsules.

We should have had mini shuttles to ISS, returning from a space station in a lifting body on a runway is much more dignified than a splashdown or dirt landing, reserve that for epic entries from lunar orbit or beyond

fuck

>>12363683
spaceplanes are better at high energy entries as well, anon

>>12363626
there's no dance floors on mars ;)

>>12363661
Hey I didn't know you posted here, Zubrin

>>12363671
>if ESA had of tried a little harder they could have had an independent space station with the means to travel to it
ESA have no one to blame for their misfortunes but themselves

>>12363689
SpaceX are bringing them

>>12363688
We should have just been done with capsules ages ago, at least Starship might finally retire the c*psule

>>12363695
refugee/asylum seekers programs were more important and deserved more funding...

>>12363695
>Europe has no one to blame for their misfortunes but themselves
generally true, all the way back to the Romans

>>12363683
Yes but we are currently in the timeline where we are using a cool ass capsule. Capsules are based because should something go wrong they can just pull away (a la Soyuz recently) and on top of that the company building the best capsule is also just doing it as a side project at this point and is focusing on a TSTO swiss army knife vehicle

>>12363704
you're allowed to say it, anon, you're among friends
Starship is a spaceplane, and it's okay to admit that

>>12363661

>>12363632
cassini, kinda. ran out of fuel but i think it could still function

>>12363704
we went from runway landings to splashdowns it still feels like a step back though

>>12363706
>Starship is a spaceplane, and it's okay to admit that
Isn't it more a rocket ship?

>>12363711
we could have had propulsive landings
>>12363714
oh holy shit you've solved it
Starship... is a ROCKET SHIP

>>12363706
Don't be gay now. It's an anal prolapsule. Aerodynamically NAvigable and Launchable PROpuslive LAnding caPSULE

>>12363699
ESA's budget has actually not gone down since Hermes was in development iirc. Being ESA the budget was never geared towards human spaceflight, Hermes never really stood a chance.

>>12363717
Yeah well it's not a lifting body therefore its not a spaceplane

>>12363568
damn, she's gotten pretty dirty. And why are there holes in her wheels?

>>12363736
>And why are there holes in her wheels?
They fucked up, but they fixed it for Perserverance, surely.

>>12363734
Actually it is a lifting body we have discussed this a shit ton over the last month or two. I had the same argument as you early on but someone pointed out that even the F9 uses lifting body techniques to land. And starship has lift as well

>>12363741
Yep

>>12363747
Well its not a cool lifting body like my cool spaceplanes

are space planes ever a good idea? I mean wings, flight control surfaces, and landing gears are all heavy.

LEM with wheels?
LEM with wheels.

>>12363661
>I could see something like a Falcon 9 scale Starship being made by a competitor simply because Starship is dramatically overkill for LEO. It would still need to be fully and rapidly reusable to be competitive,
"Falcon 9 scale" and "fully and rapidly reusable" are mutually exclusive.

>>12363768
yeah
at that size category (whole upper stages with multiple km/s of dv) your options are rocket ship (Starship) and Spaceplanes
you need flight control surfaces, stubby wings and heat shielding for rocket ship aeroentry anyway, and landing gear on spaceplanes might wash out with landing propellant on rocket ships
I think rocket ships are technically superior because large wings (for gliding and runway landing) are heavier and require more support structure, but runway landing is cool so it kind of washes out
also large wings cause control problems on ascent

>>12363770
How fast can it go?

>>12363736
They made holes in her wheels to write JPL in morse code

>>12363768
They get less G's when re-entering which might be an attractive quality if we ever reach a point where space travel is common and hundreds of people are in orbit at once
But their biggest advantage is just how aesthetic they look

>>12363768
landing on a runway is always going to be safer than airbags/splashdown/propulsive landing

>>12363793
10kph on soft soil

>>12363815
I bet I could do 13

>>12363641
Those are mainly booze fueled crige fests. They always come on my autoplay when I pass out and I get woken up by his loud obnoxious voice.

swap out a crush core and it'll buff out

>>12363824
26kph on compacted soil

>>12363833
>26 kph

>>12363774
No it isn't. Put 7 Raptors on the core and 1 on the upper. Use steel.

>>12363824
>>12363833
We must go faster

>>12363824
I don't see any Moon Police up here

>>12363840
rocket ship landing isn't viable with less engines than Starship basically

What's the key to driving fast on the moon? Weight? Traction?

>>12363849
thunderf00t?

>>12363852
Rear facing thrusters are illegal in professional lunar rallying. The key would then be motor power and upwards facing thrusters for extra traction

>>12363849
Falcon 9 has a positive TWR at minimum throttle and it lands fine. Starhopper, SN5 and SN6 all flew with one Raptor and landed fine. One Raptor Starship IS real and CAN hurt you.

>>12363831
the dirtier it is, the more the next crew will feel like they're flying on the actual Millenium Falcon!

and that's a good thing

2 hours ago. It's looking good so far for Return to Sender. Scheduled liftoff is in ~1 hour 54 minutes.

>>12363831
wow,embarrassing

>>12363856
>rear facing thrusters are illegal
>hit a jump, throw the rally rover sideways and translate for a speed boost

>>12363861
Dragon flying on dirty boosters will be comforting and nostalgic for Russian crews who are used to flying on brand new rockets with just as much dirt.

>>12363863
any link for livestream?

>>12363863
I hope RocketLab goes public. I'd give Beck my entire TFSA.

>>12363869
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZGI_lHGltA

Was just digging it out now.
This strapping lad is getting a ride along as mass simulator courtesy of GabeN.

>>12363872
What about a kiss?

>>12363867
>>rear facing thrusters are illegal
>>hit a jump, throw the rally rover sideways and translate for a speed boost
That's baby tech. The real strat is setting off a ramp in a spin so you can cycle around each thruster when they face backwards for constant thrust without overheating your RCS

>>12363840
You're not accounting for legs, integrated fairings or heat tiles, which are necessary for the "fully and rapidly reusable" part, and all come with more dry mass hit. The overexpanded vacuum bell would fail, the overpowered thrust would make it basically impossible to land, and it wouldn't have the spare dV anyway. You could do the hacked together ballute and parachute shit they planned for F9 at one point, but that still comes with a big performance hit and worse, still obliterates the "fully and rapidly" part of the plan. Rockets do not scale down well, the sooner you accept this the sooner you will stop Zubrinposting.

Planetary protectionists get the rope

>>12363897
It works in Realism Overhaul

>>12363872
Why the fuck would you want to invest in Rocket Lab? Their market is dedicated smallsat launches as they can't compete on cost with the Falcon 9 and they certainly won't be able to do it against Starship. Space tugs launched from larger rockets will probably take all their business outside government contracts and at least two companies are going to start launching tugs this December so the clock is running out.

Your only other space investment option, besides LMAO Virgin Galactic and old space companies, is Momentus Space which is going to be going public soon via reverse merger. Current ticker symbol is SRAC. The valuation is pretty hefty at over a billion but I doubt that will stop people from speculating on it.

>>12363940
Because I trust Peter Beck more than some Russisn dude, and Momentus and RocketLab will basically end up as the two big players in the space tug market. Maxar might or might not expand rapidly, hopefully they do.

>>12363649
With mini-shuttles, you lose!

What about using Starship to launch 15 Dreamchasers at once

>>12363972
Why do that when you could just launch an entire Shuttle into orbit instead?

>>12363987
You can't have races with 1 shuttle

>>12363992
Just send up another Starship with another Shuttle.

>>12363947
It doesn't matter if Rocket Lab's kick stage is perfectly designed, works flawlessly, and is cheap to produce, they cannot launch Electron cheap enough to be competitive with tugs coming from Falcon and Starship.

I don't trust Momentus much but I think it's at least a decent opportunity in the short term and they're well positioned with their contract with SpaceX. Hopefully I'll see some profit once the public picks up on the company as investors are very hungry for space stocks and they're incapable of discerning bullshit companies like Virgin Galactic anyway. I can't see any space tug company having much of a moat so the biggest player will probably be the one that gets in quick and is the most like SpaceX. They better pray that SpaceX doesn't decide that they're going to make their own tugs and completely cut them out as well but they may have too much on their plate for now.

>>12363947
>>12364001
Check out this launch cost comparison.

>>12364001
>they cannot launch Electron cheap enough to be competitive with tugs coming from Falcon and Starship.
What's stopping Rocket Lab from doing that? What's making the Electron relatively more expensive than the Falcon?

Are there any plans to add modules to the ISS? Also, how many years does the ISS have left?

>>12364027
I believe size is the biggest factor, they would have to make a reusable rocket that is much larger than the Electron and by then they would be competing with Starship which according to Elon may see the price of sending things to LEO as low as $10 per KG.

>>12364028
Russia is due to launch their primary science module any day now :^)

>>12363947
People always bring up RocketLab in the tug conversation, I don't see it. RocketLab is using some shitty monoprop engine (read:low performance), isn't planning to launch with other providers, and then has tacked on "independent satellite" capability which with no sophisticated instrumentation or even any specific purpose just sounds like a cope word for "graveyard orbit". They could improve down the line, but they aren't showing a strong model.
Momentus is at least looking at the right path with decent performance, (supposedly) low cost, and targeting various launchers instead of being shackled to a dedicated smallsat launcher which means they're chasing the right market.
That said the SpaceX could probably make their own tug based on the shit they've been putting on hundreds of Starlinks and probably blow everyone out on price, maybe capability as well.

>>12364020
Stop it Anon, Electron's already dead.

>five years to stand up a Space Command of a few hundred people
Why is the UK so slow at space? Starships might be on Mars by then.

>>12364044
How many years ago was that thing supposed to be ready?

>>12364001
How many Electrons can Starship launch? All the Electrons. For the cost of ONE of their current launchers.

>>12364020
Actually, Falcon 9 costs 50 million for customers to buy launches when reused (which is a much more fair price considering its designed on reusability), and it costs 28 million by SpaceX to launch if only the first stage is reused.

>>12364069
I meant Photons but I'm leaving this post up because the visual of Starship shitting out entire smallsat launchers is hilarious

>>12364028
>Are there any plans to add modules to the ISS?
2-3 Russian, 4-5 American
>Also, how many years does the ISS have left?
Congress is pushing for 10 more years

>>12364060
>The launch of Nauka, initially planned for 2007, has been repeatedly delayed for various reasons. In May 2020, Nauka was reported to be planned for launch in the second quarter of 2021
As it currently stands the Russian half of the ISS is only a bit bigger than Salyut 7 was

>>12364070
>and it costs 28 million by SpaceX to launch if only the first stage is reused.
I'd be really keen on seeing that price breakdown. I wonder which parts of refurbishment are the most expensive

>>12364044
what kind of rocket will this go up on? Does Russia have any active very heavy lift vehicles?

>>12364084
Proton is still yeeting shit.

>>12364069
Kek. It fits lengthwise but I'm a mathlet and I have to get to sleep so I don't know just how many will fit inside the fairing.

>>12363568
if you took that RTG out and put it in a tesla would it provide enough power? Or is everything on curiosity low power enough / not in need of such high voltages that it wouldn't work

Why is the Rocket Lab control room riced out?

>>12363661
Honestly Lockheed should just develop a mini Starship rather than pic related.

Now that Arecibo is kill...

Apparently there are rumors flying around that SN8 is going to fly sooner than later. People are saying that further ground testing is off the menu and that they're going to rush the hop.

WHERE'S THE STREAM ROCKETLAB

YOU SAID THERE'D BE A STREAM

>>12364113
If they used methalox instead of hydrolox they would expand the cargo/crew capabilities of their lander by like a million. Yeah it has a slightly lower isp than hydrogen, but holy shit they would have so much more room

>>12364137

>countdown restarted
i'm out

>>12364147
yeah, this thing looks cool but when you see inside it it's a huge letdown

>>12364160
>huge letdown
Holy shit yeah it is. Didn't know it was that bad.

>>12364153
does a pilot who breaches the zone get into any kind of trouble?

>>12364165
I have no idea about Kiwi law, but personally I'd put them against the wall.
But I'm pretty extreme when it comes to people interrupting my launches.

>>12364160
>hydromeme

>>12364160
Basically just a capsule with a giant hydrogen tumor

>>12364169
PUT EM UP AGAINST THE WALL!

>>12364179
Well put.

>>12364160
It makes way more sense when you think about their philosophy. I don't have the photo saved anymore but the basic idea was to secure a lander for HLS Artemis, and slowly scale it up. In reality this is just a basic lander but it has shielding slapped over it that makes it look way more like starship (even though it's just a basic lander). I'll try to look for the photo

I'm fucking dying. This dipshit is why the launch is delayed

>>12364187

>>12364187
wat

>>12364187
This guy is a genius, he's able to call the wayward plane pilots massive insufferable faggots without getting banned on twitter

>>12364160
>>12364186
Found it. It's literally just a scaled up lander. It's actually really really cool considering they were thinking about it before starship was really on the table. For a proposal it's pretty good. And it is absolutely awesome for Artmeis despite using Aerojew Shekeldyne engines

>>12364187
holy shit this is fucking based

>>12364188
Most certainly put him up against the wall.

Lol people trying to bankrupt the estronaut in his rocketlab stream.

>>12364187
How based would it be if beck just developed ICBM plane launchers and shot down anyone within his airspace. Too bad he isn't launching out of russia or something

>>12364187
>>12364188
What the blue FUCK?!

>>12363881
Can we get a thread dedicated for this like we have for every SpaceX launch?

>>12364224
I don't tend to make launch threads at all. I just remind people of launches. Feel free to make all the threads you want.

>>12364229
Forgot to add though. The problem with Rocket Lab is that they don't tend to have the consistency that SpaceX has built up over the years, so launches aren't exactly always on schedule.

>>12364218
Kek. Little rocket lab is waiting to launch their electron and all of a sudden you just see this shit open up as beck gets on the mic with earrape screaming
https://youtu.be/iE0Y4QcY-JU

Ooh, I just noticed Astra is planning on testing a rocket on my birthday. Guess I'm getting fireworks this year, lol.

>>12364246
oh? I didn't know they were confident enough to set a date. When?

>>12364249
7th of December.

WE LIVE
https://youtu.be/eZGI_lHGltA

>>12364256
Throw them a view even if you don't give a fuck. They're donating money to some children's hospital per view.

>>12364180
kek imagine if the mars government actually ends up being like that

>>12364253
Happy early birthday

>>12364267
I'm too old to give a fuck about those now, but thanks.

>>12364263
Would be cool to an extent. I love the idea of not so much fascism, but extreme technocracy. I.e. the smartest people of the colony run the place, and there is a huge emphasis on the love of technology and the respect of machines and computers and the value of discovery and exploration. Maybe mix in a little technomysticism (i.e. you never number a project 13 because it is unlucky, never put BLM on your rocket because it’s dumb and unlucky, always name your ship a “she” and treat it like a “she” because it has a soul)

>>12364258
you may be talking to the wrong crowd here anon

>>12364256
finally turned on the ambient

>>12364289
I know from earlier threads that not everybody gives a shit about Rocket Lab and small sat launches in general.

>>12364289
? What do you mean

>>12364293
What? Everyone here likes rocketlab

>>12364297
Last launch there were several "lel small sat, who cares" shitposts.
Not everybody cares.

>>12363709
There was even a plan to attempt to send it to Uranus. Transit would have taken 20 years with risk of failures so they decided to take close-ups of Saturn instead.

>>12364292
now ACTUALLY live

>>12364302
I think you're just crazy everyone likes rocketlab
Anyways I know after their accident, beck said the next X number of launches have to go right or else they go bankrupt. It was like 6 or 9 or something. Anyone know the number and what number we are on now?

So anons, do you think they will be able to recover the first stage?

Give me a go or no-go for recovery.

>>12364308
It's only been one after the unlucky 13 I think.

kiwi waifu acquired

Peter beck is the bilbo baggins of commercial spaceflight

>>12364311
This is flight 16.
Also, I don't remember Beck talking about bankruptcy, so if someone has heard, I'd like to hear too.

>>12364315
Samwise gamgee. Anytime our main protagonist is at his lowest, beck is always there to give a pep talk

>>12364282
Schizo text block

>>12364308
No way, they're literally the second most established rocket company. Not to mention to reusability meme is probably eaten up by investors. Very hype right now though.

>>12364310
50-50,it happens or it doesn't

>>12364169
On average it's a $50k fine + up to 18 months prison time depending on how bad the infraction is

3 HOLDS
NOT 2
NOT 4
5 IS OUT OF THE QUESTION

I just hope that the gnome survives to crash through some boat to sink it

>>12364335
>5 IS RIGHT OUT
at least get it right.

>>12364326
>second most established rocket company
Uhhh what?

>>12364341
I think they mean launch cadence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZGI_lHGltA
Holy molly that's some thick Straya accent.

SPACE BEES

>>12364338
shit man it's been like 8 years since I watched it

that rocket is fucking packed

we've beeen GNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED

GET GNOMED

>>12364344
>Straya
Fuck you, that's like calling a burger a leaf

>gnome chomsky
OH
MY
GOD

>>12363704
Well, had the shuttle had the telescopic escape hatch thingy in 1986, all the Challenger crewmembers might have made it. Problem is, they installed it after the Challenger disaster. Shuttle was surprisingly survivable unless damaged before reentry.

>>12364344
i want to put vegemite in her billabong if you ken my straith

>>12364352
Leafs are assimilated with mutts.

>>12364362
That's like calling a irishman an englishman then?

CCP spy.

Chompsky is love, Chompsky is life
(he answered me once in an email)

Odds those people in the background are just acting? You'd think they'd be a bit more tuned into the launch.

>>12364367
Irish don't speak Irish.

>>12364370
oh wait, it's recorded, I'm dumb

>>12364356
>they're launching a fucking rocket into space
>you're shitposting in a congolese mud stacking imageboard

how the fuck does a small carbon fiber rocket survive reentry?

Also I wonder how badly the reentry equipment eats into payload capacity

>>12364375
Omg really? Upvoted

>sharing images from the recovery as soon as they're available
someone better hold them to that

>getting PTSD of that bullshit carrying the gnome achievement
Fuck you Gaben

>>12364378
By not reentering

>>12364378
It's the booster, it's not re-entering from orbit. Still, will need a post-mortem to know if it has adverse effects.

>achievement unlocked
god fucking dammit

>>12364394
Absolutely based

>>12364378
>how the fuck does a small carbon fiber rocket survive reentry?
engines take the brunt of the thermal load
>Also I wonder how badly the reentry equipment eats into payload capacity
probably not that bad, they've optimized a lot more performance out of the rocket over time and often their payloads are well under the limit

>>12364378
I mean, Falcon 9 fairings make it through alright

Fucking memelords.
And I was going to attach pic related to a screenshot.

Is it just me or have Rocket Lab's launches sounded better than SpaceX's recently?

oh no it has cataracts

Shit, the cam is dirt

Oh! The finally added battery jettison to their launch timeline! about time

>>12364404
A lot louder than the presenters. Smart

>>12364407
It cleared off, but it was super wobbly. Had me scared for a few seconds.

Oh no no no spacex bros we got too cocky. Gnomeship will be here before we know it

>first stage view where nothing is happening yet
>gnome view where nothing is happening
good job

What's considered the ideal TWR for a first stage?
Too low, and you waste excessive dV on gravity.
Too high, and you waste excessive dV on drag.
Personally I found that a TWR between 2 and 3 works well in KSP, dunno about real life though.

>>12364418
so SpaceX had David Bowie for the Tesla reveal. What music should they have used for the gnome reveal?

Kiwi girl’s voice is so cringe

>>12364044
))))))))))))))))))))))

Gnome Chomsky!!! We did it reddit!

>>12364422
1.2-1.5 is the number that comes to mind

>Low rumble sound of the engine
Kino

>>12364422
>TWR between 2 and 3 works well in KSP
that's so high lmao, you are over designing your rockets

>>12364423
https://youtu.be/tVaZ7uYaBSQ

>>12364422
I think TWR of 0.91 is the absolute minimum for KSP. May be wrong though. 2-3 TWR is extremely extremely high.

farewell stage 1

What's the reasoning behind their decision to associate themselves with a senile anarchist? It is just a reddit meme?

Good thing new rocket companies are utilizing proper aesthetic/clean ui for rocket launches.

>>12364439
Gaben is stuck in NZ and is bored as fuck

>>12364431
>>Low rumble sound of the engine
>Kino

SUBWOOFERS

FEEL SO GOOD

>>12364430
>1.2
So you spend 6m/s of dV to gain 1m/s of velocity at the start of the launch? That seems inefficient.

>>12364436
0.91 would mean you wouldn't even move until you burned enough fuel to get your TWR over 1.

>>12364431
I don't know what that background noise is, but it isn't the engine. Kinda spooky, I like it

>>12364445
I'm pretty sure he just rescinded his USA citizenship and is now a NZ citizen

>>12364439
It's just a pun nigger

>>12364423
For Gnoam? Probably RATM

>>12364431
>>12364447
SpaceX should do this as well

>>12364439
His name is funny, and they’re vapid hipsters.

>>12364451
NZ is a tax haven atm, why they fuck not

>that telemetry
F

>>12364455
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X04ibyZZc0&list=PL4AIG34oU42vN7V6uw1pLMEwNrcemqB58&index=2

>>12364455
The audio for the crew-1 prelaunch was fucking amazing. You could hear everything venting and spitting and revving up

>>12364439
It's a reference to HL2:E2:
https://half-life.fandom.com/wiki/Garden_Gnome

d-did something happen?

HAHA IT WORKED!

YESSSS

Reeeeee no masks at mission control think about the healthcare heroes

ANNOUNCER GIRL IS CUUUUUUUUTE

>>12364439
Because that's the name of the gnome in the games you fucking idiot

>no video of the recovery
hahahahahahahahahaha

>>12364464
where can I hear it

CHUTES DEPLOYED!! woo hoo!

My kiwi waifu

>>12364439
It's the most convoluted achievement in HL2:E2. Pick up a specific garden gnome near the beginning of the game, carry it with you through the entire fucking game and stick it into a rocket at the end of the game.

>elon: "chomsky sucks"
kek

>>12364469
My bad for not playing every video game on the planet fag

>>12364475
https://youtu.be/E_FIaPBOJgc?t=14949

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1329614164382289921
>Splashdown of Electron's first stage confirmed! Recovery ops are underway and we'll bring you more soon.
LADS

>>12364464
I mean yeah the prelaunch sounds are kino, but during launch all we hear mostly are the employees' reactions especially during ASDS landings

>>12364471
That's because here, we don't have lots of retards who think basic pandemic hygiene practices are a government conspiracy, and we have a government actually committed to controlling the disease.

Splashdown!

>>12364485
oh thats good

>>12364489
>>12364493
Yeah I think Hullo released a video today or yesterday, and he said he wished they provided a video with no commentary so you could hear the rocket. Dragon was fucking breathing like a living creature during the launch and I kept getting interrupted by an instagram NASA bitch wanting to talk about
>muh mission has so many firsts!

>>12364118
Please, you are making my boner hurt.

>>12363857
so is that going to be sea level raptor? You can't use only vacuum raptor and still land propulsively

>>12364496
So there's a proton rocket and an electron rocket. What will /sfg/'s Neutron rocket look like

>>12364500
For me it's the low growl and rumble of the engines

https://youtu.be/E_FIaPBOJgc?t=15196

>>12364500
>instagram NASA bitch
Kek. Yeah an alternate stream would be amazing though.

>>12364503
Yeah either sea level or some sort of semi-vacuum bell like Shuttle.

Anyone else struggling to give a shit about someone attaching chutes to their booster after watching SpaceX do nonstop propulsive landings for the past 5 years

>>12364516
It's pretty nice to see someone else finally attempt reusability, and a new (though not radically innovative) way of doing it.

>>12364496

>>12364483
I'd like to ask him why does he think that. I like them both without irony or fanboyism. They are good people with some flaws.

>>12364133
When you have an assembly line of starships they let you do it.

chute pic

>>12364516
Electron is filling an entirely different market compared to SpaceX, and the fact they're trying their own reusability concept in that particularly small market niche is commendable. Sure it's not as spectacular, but this one is too a step forward for the industry.

>>12364516
yes, because this is a simpler, cheaper method of recovery that SpaceX tried and FAILED to make work. Their retro-propulsion was their backup plan, far more difficult to get right as their blooper reel shows.

>>12364436
0.91 is a good TWR for staying comfy in the launchpad staring at the sky

Did they catch the electron?

>>12364504

>>12364538
They didn't attempt to catch it this time. It parachuted into the ocean.

>>12364196
Gateway looking THICC at the end

>>12364528
nioce

>Electron makes it to orbit in 3 minutes
how

>>12364547
It's really fucking small?

>>12364533
How the hell do you fail at something simpler?

>>12364547
it takes the usual 8-ish minutes

>>12364547
accelerating really fast

>>12364522
4km to 83km in 2 minutes

>>12364552
They said they were orbital in the 3 minute mark and it showed they were well above 100km.

>>12364532
It's different class, not different market. Falcon 9 sometimes puts in space bundles of smallsats.
Also SpaceX started with Falcon 1. Just you wait for Rocket Lab to announce a bigger launcher.

>>12363641
>KSP
I miss the early days of KSP too, I've done almost everything and all the things to do to make the game more channeling feel like an arbitrary imposition and aren't very fun

>>12364547
Electrons are about 1800 times less massive than protons.

>>12364541
Fukken saved

>>12364541
>No Nuclear-Salt Water engine on the third stage

>>12364561
Have you tried "Better Than Starting Manned"? It's fun for a while (until it becomes a chore).

>why the fuck is the achievement not popping up?

>>12364571
>no autophagic nuclear torch SRB

>>12364547
>>12364561
Electron is already in orbit.

>>12364576
>all those wasted engines
>all that wasted tankage
>on every flight
truly the dark ages

>>12364571
>>12364581
>Nuclear salt core stage with nuclear torch SRB boosters
>UDMH/ClF3 second stage to circularize orbit
>Miniaturized Orion drive powered crew capsule

>>12364586
Would be cool as fuck if we kept on with it though, instead of shittle
>by this time 2020 the eastern seaboard of Florida is littered with approximately ~500 F-1, F-1B, F-1C, F-1D, F-2, F-2C engines

>>12364510
semi-vacuum like shuttle can't throttle very well and risks severe overexpansion doing it. Otherwise okay plan.

>>12364561
>I've done almost everything
How does one push a 2t asteroid without wobbling? I have 8kN engines but can't control the maneuver.

>>12364588
And now we’re hauling ass.

>>12364588
>nuclear torch SRB boosters
You mean the ones that had like 30km/s of delta V?

>>12363674
>Matt Lowne.
god KSP Youtubers are actually the worst. Such dry content. At least Manley gravitated towards more educational content. Which I actually prefer

>>12364550
Because it only seems simpler to midwits. The problem is that parachutes are very hard to control properly, and certainly not to the level of accuracy that F9 regularly has.
Did you know they stopped re-painting the "X" on the drone ship because landings have been so accurate and they got tired of re-painting it every time?

https://twitter.com/Peter_J_Beck/status/1329627926560612353
>Have visual on floating stage.

>>12363641
he stopped doing the air warfare design/fight competition videos, feelsbadman

>>12364133
>rumors
>people are saying
Solid case

>Following @Astro_Soichi currently in space & @Aki_Hoshide next year, veteran JAXA astronauts @Astro_Wakata and Satoshi Furukawa will return to the ISS in 2022 & 2023 respectively!
Is it me or are space agencies bringing back alot of older astronauts? Why don't they let the new people get a chance?

>>12364644
Hate to be referred as a dimwit but not surprised somehow. Parachutes are not as steerable as grid fins and Merlins I guess.

>>12364663
>people familiar with Elon's thinking

>>12364133
is this leaked from L2 or something?

>>12364615
very carefully align yourself with the CoM of the asteroid

>>12364686
Yes. But don't think of buying L2, its terrible. Very few post there, and its mostly speculation anyway.

SpaceX is magical

number of views on the rocketlab stream is surprisingly low. Maybe it didn't go viral as they hoped.

You know this looks kinda similar to the new lunar EVA suit doesn't it

>>12364615
Don't Push, Pull.

We're going to need more spaceports.

>>12364707
They're doing great things but its a smallsat launcher launching cubesats.

>>12364711
We're at 94 for 2020 with 85 successes.

>>12364711
>the gap left by Nixon's dark ages

>>12364719
At the same time alot of organizations have complained that covid has limited their operations. India itself is only just now returning to launching.

>>12364711
Never take the Wikipedia chart for granted. Delays always cause next year to have a spike in missions.

>>12364707
haha looks like RocketLab has been fucking GNOMED

>>12364723
India overdid the lock-down thing a bit.

>>12364628
Bearded Penguin is amusing, I do like the idea of Of All Kerbalkind

>>12364711
>We're finally back at, and about to explode past 1960s launch volume
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>12364734
I really liked Fall of Kerbin, at least in concept, the it would be another cool reason to get KSP MP working.

>>12364691
Why delete this? You think NSF police are coming for you? Well, you're right, they are coming. I am NSF police. We're shutting down L2 as of midnight PST.

You have no chance to survive make your time.

Did we see this yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSdaWvDwL-Y

>>12364770
why does luxembourg of all places want a piece of the action? are they the new Dutch or something?

>>12364783
The smart players are making early steps to position themselves to make money on space resources.

take it or leave it

>>12364789
early steps how, like finance and law? I just fail to see exactly how they will meaningfully contribute anything other than maybe money

>>12364783
Highest gdp per capita, hardcore capitalists

>>12364547
Small payload

>>12364783
Luxembourg, Belgium and the Netherlands are all rightful territories of the Dutch, but some uppity protestant Belgians broke that little empire up.

>>12364800
Finance and Law.

>>12364746
The Energia/Buran was just a better way to impliment as shuttle design. Making the orbiter itself the launch vehicle instead of just the payload that rides a self contain rocket only makes sense if the shuttle stuck to its original specifications before NASA had to go to get money from the DoD.

>>12363603
>now that we know Raptor is fine and the problem was Musk being too stubborn to use a flame diverter
Source? I watched a Raptor shit liquid metal that was once the turbopump, how would a flame diverter stop that?

>>12364812
what were the original specifications?

>>12364814
The shuttle was supposed to be much smaller and carry little top no cargo

>>12364707
nah this was a good turnout for them. Their launches are still invisible to normies, unlike SpaceX

>>12364801
isn't that a statistical fluke because of a dense populace? if LA was its own country wouldnt it have even higher per capita GDP?

>>12364814
It also didn't have the crossrange capability that the military wanted.

>>12364665
maybe milking them for all their worth
is astronaut training expensive?

>>12364819
what then was supposed to do the heavy lifting?

>The first crewless flight as part of the preparations for the ambitious Gaganyaan project originally planned for this year and then pushed to the first half of 2021 due to flight Covid-19, will now only happen at the end of next year. Isro will eventually also launch a second crewless flight, now scheduled for 2022 before launching humans into space.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/first-crewless-gaganyaan-flight-only-by-end-of-2021/articleshow/79290282.cms

Years of delays? lol

>>12364665
boomer syndrome

>>12364813
you don't actually know it was liquid metal that was once the turbopump

>>12364826
Other launch vehicles, the shuttle was supposed to be a small piece of a larger post-apollo program with automated tugs, space stations around the earth and the moon, and a nuclear bus to get between the two. Early shuttle designs just planned on getting astronauts from the earth and to LEO and nothing else.

>>12364665
>>12364832
Space X is working behind the scenes to orchestrate a boomercaust.

>>12364829
Okay, real question: Starliner or Currypot to carry crew first? It's gotta be the Indians, right?

They're writing software for both capsules, after all
https://www.strawpoll.me/35152146

>>12364835
True, where is what I do know.
>it was liquid metal
>the Raptor has 2 shaft seals keeping LOX out of the pumps
>hot metal + O2 = molten metal

I think it's a pretty safe bet.

>>12364843
>Currypot
kek

>>12364813
According to Elon the spicy rock cut avionics cables, leading to Raptor having a hard and immediate shutdown, which led to Raptor shitting a turbopump all over the pap.

>>12364850
its okay they'll shield the cables this time and nothing wrong will happen again

:^)

>>12364813
>I don't know anything about rocketry, its history, or its current events
>I still love coming to /sfg/ and shitting up threads demanding to be spoonfed

You could easily find out how retarded you are by reading any of the fucking news related to this general, you fucking child. There is no more discussed topic in spaceflight than starship development, with the last SF being the core of current discussion

>>12364853
>elon just keeps adding armor to the bottom
>testing shows Starship to be immune to small arms fire on terminal descent
>ULA snipers terminated by pad ninjas

>>12364813
Elon tweet. Apparently what happened is that the raptors were so powerful that they pulverized the ground beneath them and sent blades of concrete and martyte everywhere. One of these fragments took out an avionics cable which resulted in a bad raptor shutdown (pic related. it's not supposed to flare like that).

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1328742122107904000

>>12364850
Ah k, that makes sense.

>>12364855
My problem is there is so much speculation about anything SpaceX does I don't trust any source but Musk himself. You would think the solution to this would be twitter but with their retarded formatting and lack of a search feature it's still far from prefect.

>>12363831
this has the feel of limping back to port but the launch, landing and docking were 100% successful so

>>12364840
>shuttle was supposed to be a small piece of a larger post-apollo program with automated tugs, space stations around the earth and the moon, and a nuclear bus to get between the two. Early shuttle designs just planned on getting astronauts from the earth and to LEO and nothing else.
this makes me sad

>>12364860
the lean is unironically a feature. Crush core was crushed meaning it did its job right

>>12364864
so its balanced for lean huh?

epin

>>12363861
>>12363867
I love dirty rockets, it makes them feel more like tools and less like nations showboating.

how did they manage to improve the merlin so much? More than doubling the thrust is inane

>>12364864
>this makes me sad
what could've been

any bets on how the booster handled the entire process?

>>12364869
trade secrets I guess

>>12364866
The center of mass is very low in Falcon 9, and there's a lot of reserve margin with the leg spread.

>>12364885
My money is on the heating delaminating the carbon fiber, I would like to be wrong about this.

>>12364869
Maybe it was part of Space X's development model, design a engine who's architecture can allow for high performance, but only optimize for those parameters once needed and focus on getting the early iterations to be "good enough"

>>12364869
>really bad at making engines
>make a lot of engines
>get better at making engines
>engine good 15 years later
such mystery

>>12364870
Here is some inspiration for you
https://youtu.be/w9twrZDdvYw?t=231
>My friends, I was dancing in the streets of Huntsville when our first satellite orbited the Earth...
>and I was dancing again when the first Americans landed on the Moon...
>I'd like to ask you- don't. Hang up. Your dancing slippers

>>12364911
I don't think I've ever admired a man more than he

>>12364870
VGH...

>>12364282
Treat your rocket like a lady and she'll always bring you home

>>12363799
The Star Raker design is also cool for only needing TWR of 0.9 to reach orbit. If you made a molten-salt nuclear version with big throosty electroplasma engines you could make space access really damn cheap, like just needing water for propellant cheap.
>single stage to Mars, trip time under a month, just refill some water tanks in LEO

>>12364968
>Treat your rocket like a lady
Stacked?

>>12365037
Boooooo

>>12364869
Everybody praises Elon, or even Shotwell, but Tom Mueller deserves recognition
>Develops Merlin for Falcon 1
>"Just strap nine of these for the next rocket lmao"
>Upgraded Merlin for Falcon 9
>Thrust + throttle capabilities of 1 engine is just enough to enable hoverslam landings
>This allows SpaceX to pioneer first stage reuse

>>12365054
Chad jawline and chin

>>12364869
Merlin 1A used an ablative nozzle which put a hard limit on how much chamber pressure they could achieve without reducing the run time too much. This therefore limited the thrust. Later improvements in thrust came mostly from small tweaks and just building up enough trust in the machine through experience.

>>12364710
>pendulum fallacy

>>12365087
I'm not talking about the rocket, pull the asteroid rather than trying to push it.

>>12364107
Curiosity RTG has output of 2.5 kW per day
that means it would fully charge Tesla's 200kWh batteries in ~80 days
RTGs aren't all that good for electricity generation

>>1236514
There's a reason why they've only been used on rovers and probes into the outer solar system.

I know Axiom is supposed to replace the American portion of the ISS, but science projects sent to the ISS have only been increasing. Is Axiom going to be big enough to handle all the science and tourists? Maybe we're going to need a bigger station or more smaller ones.

>>12365169
that is the significance of the tower?

>>12365170
It says in the picture.

>>12364487
>Splashdown
What? I thought they wanted to catch it with a helicopter?

>>12365182
Nah this was a test flight

>>12365169
axiom's station will be PATHETIC compared to what starship will be able to create (and probably for much cheaper then axiom station).

>>12365169
>equivalent power to the ISS with small tower and wrapped panels
So why don't they add more towers for moar power?

>>12365276
Gotta keep it small enough for the getaway when they steal the ISS's modules

>>12365279
They should grab a Progress too. The Russians just let them burn up on entry anyway iirc.

I googled pictures of Jim and it made me sad, he is such a great man

>>12365288
One of the greats, he is

God I want an Energia revival so bad, not even just the OG rocket or the partial reusable uragan. I want to see absolute beast that was to be the Vulkan fly.

>>12363674
>Matt Lowne
That fucking exaggerated plummy accent. Ugh

>>12365090
yes, that's the pendulum fallacy

>>12365288
he won't be gone for long. screencap this

>>12365325
I wonder if you could add another two side boosters to a Falcon Heavy, make the center core one big stage with larger tanks, and make a reusable Energia/Buran clone.

>>12365385
Uragan's American brother.

>>12365385
>four simultaneous booster RTLS, a core landing on a barge, and a runway landing spaceplane
>from ONE flight
If Starship didn't exist this would be the best future for SpaceX.

What would a NazBol space program look like?

Does Spacex seriously have two launches scheduled for Saturday?
I'm seeing an ~11am from Vandy for Sentinel-6 and Starlink 15 at ~9pm from the east coast, but I can't quite believe my eyes.

>>12365436
they've had two launches scheduled from the same coast in the same day before, but they got Floridaed

>>12365431
Considering that Dugin is one of Putin's top advisors pretty much exactly like current Roscosmos.

>>12365440
>>12365436
If things go to schedule, the starlink launch this weekend will be flight no. 100 for F9

>>12365441
>Dugin is one of Putin's top advisors
Alexander Dugin is almost irrelevant in Russia, and he is ironically much more widely know about in the west.
He was an advisor to one Duma member over a decade ago and hasn't had any role with the government since.

>>12364869
Merlin started at incredibly low level and expanded beyond state of the art of GG engines a similar development cycle might happen for BE4 that is developed for absurdly low 13 mpa for a staged combustion while Raptor is already pushing limits at 30 but dudes in hawthorne are magicians they will get to 40 mpa or even beyond by 2025

>>12364687
Already did. The probe has auto target following, and the target is set to CoM.

>>12365474
yeah
do it better

>>12365447
>>12365436
Doubt. Starlink 15 had its staticfire aborted.

Electron is 100% burnt to crisp. No way they haven't been able to take a fucking picture of it in more than 6 hours.

>>12365325
>partial reusable uragan
Wasn't it supposed to be fully reusable?

>>12364808
Flemish chad here, fuck België, fuck Walen, fuck kaaskoppen.

https://twitter.com/Peter_J_Beck/status/1329728110749597697

>>12365539
OH NO NO NO NO BURNT CRISP BROS WE GOT TOO COCKY

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>12365528
It was, no idea why i typed partially.

>>12365539
So it failed? Wasn't a helo supposed to catch it?

>>12365544
Oh well, at least there's the bigger one in Chine right? Right...

>>12365564
lol

>>12365564
not this one