/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12360351
that's a big can of beans

>>12360351
Nice worm that middle astronaut's got there

Bless this thread

>Hey dude, just hop off the shuttle and drift towards that giant spinning object

>>12360335
Holy shit that was hard to watch.
Regardless I don't get trying to colonize mars first, the moon is undoubtedly better due to logistics alone, not even factoring in the cost.

>>12360363
Space Orthodoxy and the revival of the Russian Cosmism movement when?

>>12360371
A colony on Mars will eventually be self sufficient, a colony on the Moon will be a liability until the day you shudder the thing. Like the ISS on steroids.

>>12360363
>>12360371
If /sfg/ were to make a space religion, then what would it be like? Mechanical animism? Gravity phobia? Neo-Mormonism? Satan being depicted as an elderly southern man?

>>12360380
all of the above

>>12360371
I think you're just being offput by the distance of Mars. Moon is still, and forever will be, in the economic sphere of the Earth because of its proximity. As >>12360377 said
Plus Mars has more geology to work with and has the capability to be self-sufficient unlike the Moon

>>12360380
Islam.

>>12360380
>>12360384

Ringworms > O'Neill stations

>>12360380
Muslimism

>>12360385
>Elon Mosque

>>12360377
>>12360383
>self-sufficient
Why couldn't colonies on the moon be sufficient?
> the distance of Mars
but that acutally is a rather big problem when considering getting started

>>12360380
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cosmism
This always seemed like /sfg/'s calling, proto-transhumanism, esoteric philosophy, the conquest of space.

>>12360392
>Russian cosmism
gay. the only true answer is space jihad

>>12360380
>Mechanical animism?
Yes. You must appease the machine spirits.

>>12360380
Catholicism is the only one that has existed in space yet thanks to the Apollo 11 lunar communion.

If I had to make one up from scratch it'd probably be a refined version of Internet syncretism, with techno-animism drawn from sysadmins and programmers, meme magic and the plague goddesses from /pol/, Raptor Jesus from /b/, casual worship of deities from other religions, and space expansion as a sacred duty.

>>12360402
>Raptor Jesus from /b/
I thought i was the only one who remembered.

>>12360392
>This always seemed like /sfg/'s calling, proto-transhumanism, esoteric philosophy, the conquest of space.
There is an alternative...

>>12360392
>Why couldn't colonies on the moon be sufficient?
The moon is poor in basically everything except oxygen and a bunch of metals. It can never support biological life without constant supplies.

>>12360408

>>12360377
Bit wrong way to think of it.

Mars will be a self sustained colony but it won't be much use in geopolitical issues further down the road. Its more of a liability for Earth govs.

Moon will be dependent on Earth because it will become an extension of govs of Earth. Moon colony, if it becomes one, will be primarily focused on military side.

>>12360416
https://youtu.be/GuVnZZ1sFIc

>>12360419
It's disingenuous to take a government perspective when the only people seriously pursuing colonization are a private organization. If the roles were reversed, sure, but NASA is slowly killing itself and no one else is less than 20 years away from these considerations.

>>12360425
>he thinks the public-private distinction is fundamentally meaningful
What are you, a liberal?

>>12360425
It won't matter if govs are disingeneous or not. Due to proximity to Earth, moon will forever be a satellite to Earth. Thus forever chained to Earth's politics.

>>12360428
>>12360429
The collective IQ on display here is abysmal. The fact is your justification for a Moon colony relies on considerations which don't apply to SpaceX, who are designing the only colonization mission profile in existence.

>>12360433
Again, it doesn't matter if SpaceX or any private company colonizes the moon or not. What matters is Earth gov's gravity will pull Moon to Earth politics. If you do not understand what is being said, please don't post about government's role.

Anyone know if there is 2020 version of this? Everything I can find is paywalled

>>12360380
Contolism is kind of like a religion

>>12360428
>MURIKA FUCK YEAR

Protip pretty everyone going to Mars will be going there to get the fuck away from aids ridden earth govs and will throw off any earth based governance, including America, ASAP

>>12360433
I wasn't talking about the moon, but the assumption that private organizations exist independently from governments its one of liberalism's absurd assertions. There's no escaping the centrality of the state even in the liberal societies that deny that such is the case

Is there any anime like gundam with all the cool space shit but without the gay robot fanfiction?

>>12360436
>Again, it doesn't matter if SpaceX or any private company colonizes the moon or not.
Who the fuck else, retard? SpaceX is the only one making plans to colonize anything. Their interests are literally the only thing that matters in this discussion which I will remind you is about why someone would colonize Mars first.

>>12360443

>>12360452
Most sci-fi anime is mecha.

>>12360452
Outlaw Star
Cowboy Bebop
Crest of the Stars

>>12360451
>nooo you can't just have independent goals from the state
Blow it out your ass, flyboy.

>>12360380
Catholics and Orthodox only
Pr*testants need not apply

>>12360453
No mars colony is going to be self sufficient overnight, they're gonna be dependent on what institutions are still supplying them from back home, and that might take decades.

>>12360461
Go dilate tyranny. I bet you believe in Locke's per-societal man too, in addition to mutilating yourself.

>>12360452
Planetes if you want something more grounded. Basically /sfg/'s wet dream in anime form.

>>12360436
>Earth gov's gravity will pull Moon to Earth politics
Their souls are weighted down by gravity, they will never be free.

>>12360453
No mars colony is going to be self sufficient overnight, they're gonna be dependent on what institutions are still supplying them from back home, and that might take decades.

>>12360461
Go dilate tyranny. I bet you believe in Locke's pre-societal man too, in addition to mutilating yourself.

>>12360451
fuck you
>>12360456
this image except that dropping rocks on fascists is the intended result

>>12360470
>No mars colony is going to be self sufficient overnight
Guess what nigger, that's not what I said. But you already established you can't fucking read despite the fact that you can't stop touching your c/lit/.

>>12360452
There is PLANETES, an anime about Kessler syndrome, space terrorists and corrupt goverments.
Pretty damn underrated IMHO.

>>12360477
Space X's interests are tied into to happens here on Earth, at least until they're able to move off world longterm and even then that's not an unbridgeable separation

sieg zeon

>>12360484
This one, this one was good.

>>12360471
Seconding for Planetes. It gets off to a slow start, but ends up great. A couple episode plots even feel like /sfg/ shitposts.

>>12360486
>Space X's interests are tied into to happens here on Earth
SpaceX's interests have already been laid out clearly. "Making life multiplanetary" is their fucking mission statement. A colony on Mars facilitates that long term goal, a colony on the Moon does not: it is too subject to Earth influence and too resource-poor to sustain life independently. Feel free to keep not understanding this.

>>12360476
The earth federation wasn't any better than Zeon.
One dropped a colony, the other opressed the spacenoids and implemeted a protofascist system that goes rouge to opress spacenoids even more.

>>12360504
yes that's what I said
I said that Zeon was right

>>12360503
Going to the moon doesn't mean you can't go to mars. It's a testbed where you can troubleshoot or evacuate more then once every 2 years.

>>12360492
>pic
Ouch, that story arc did hurt.

>>12360510
>Going to the moon doesn't mean you can't go to mars.
I didn't say they're not going to Mars. I explained why they don't have plans to colonize it, which they don't.

>>12360503
As I already said, I wasn't talking about the moon, but rather the public private-distinction.

>>12360514
the Moon* not Mars AAAAA

>>12360510
In what world would this be a good game plan when you already have a ship that can go to Mars and do everything there anyways. Planning an entire moon colony first is a great way to get caught up into the eternal oldspace timetable slips.
>Mars in 2010
>Mars in 2020
>Mars in 2035
>Moon in 2016.... 2020....2030

>>12360516
Or rather the public-private "distinction" as it is presently understood

>>12360506
Zeon Deikun was right, Ghiren Zabi wasn't.
Operation Brittish was just the wrong course of action.

>>12360516
Alright motherfucker let me spell it out for you. Yes you can come up for reasons why government interests are better aligned for a Moon colony than a Mars one, but does it matter? Not until they have a government infrastructure to facilitate that. They don't. SpaceX is under no obligation to supply them one, and in any case they haven't asked. SpaceX's interests in making a colony are their own, not the government's. Which part of that do you have a fucking problem with?

>>12360522
yeah, fuck the Zabi family
Casval did nothing wrong

>>12360520
>when you already have a ship that can go to Mars
Lower cost, shorter travel time, development of further space infrastructure in and around earth, and the same rocket that can bring the necessary cargo to mars is also the same one that can colonize the moon.

>timetable slips
Why would it matter? Musktime aside, why would this be a problem for Space X when going to set up shop on the moon, but not mars?

>>12360486
Literally how is it tied up in it? Give me one (1) example. They are a private company who might run into ITAR or FAA problems every now and then, but they will not be stopped from running a company and setting goals and moving off world. There are no laws against living on Mars and no one is going to give a shit about the outer space treaty.

>>12360525
>not the government'
Until the government does have intrests in Space X's colobny
>SpaceX is under no obligation to supply them one

>>12360526
Yea Eduardo was right.

>>12360534
>There are no laws against living on Mars and no one is going to give a shit about the outer space treaty.

Don't get too cocky about this bro, the government could very easily cuck SpaceX if they wanted to.

>>12360544
okay, one thing wrong

>>12360525
>not the government
Until the government does have interests in Space X's colony
>SpaceX is under no obligation to supply them one
The government has twisted the arms of big and profitable companies to comply with their will before, they do so presently, and we can expect them to do so in the future.

>>12360534
>Literally how is it tied up in it?
They're subject to operating within the American State by the simple fact that they're based in the US.
>but they will not be stopped from running a company and setting goals and moving off world
>here are no laws against living on Mars
>no one is going to give a shit about the outer space treaty.
Yes, but those aren't the impediments that you think that they are. I don't wish to imply that government will do everything they can to sabotage Space X, but they not gonna let them do whatever.

>>12360513
The show had lots of space feels

>>12360547
No, Char was right.

>>12360513
In space, no one can hear you feel.

>>12360548
>Until the government does have interests in Space X's colony
So the government is going to have a (apparently completely unspecified and unknown) vested interest, and then suddenly the colony won't be in SpaceX's interest anymore? You're not even making arguments anymore, you're just casting random doubts which are unaddressible by virtue of lacking coherence or specificity.
>The government has twisted the arms of big and profitable companies to comply with their will before
Again, no specificity or reason given. You think they're, what, going to nationalize SpaceX to make them a moon colony? This of a country that can't even make up its mind about NASA funding for more than one presidential term at a time?

>>12360558
>let Lalah die

>>12360552
>>12360560
That show was realistic in quite a few depressive ways.
https://youtu.be/CZ-OyT4ivkM

>>12360570
That wasn't Quattros choice, Lalah sacrificed herself.

>>12360578
it was absolutely his fault

>>12360442
holy shit

>>12360564
>government is going to have a vested interest
The details aren't too obvious right now due to the fact that no off-world colony exists, but there probably is a good reason for the US to claim it as theirs in the hopes that it'll will likely be useful into the future.
>and then suddenly the colony won't be in SpaceX's interest anymore.
I never implied this, Space X almost certainly won't lose interest in it, but the Government will likely be interested in what is going on there in the long term. Especially if the colony is widely successful.
>going to nationalize SpaceX
The government don't need to nationalize silicon valley in order backdoor some of their shit, and they didn't to nationalize industry during the world wars in order to get them to produce what they military needed. The government has other informal ways of exerting its control.
>to make them a moon colony
That's not the point. If Space X makes their mars colony, that colony is largely dependent on one company that has most of their assets based in the US and subject to the whims of America's power elite.

>>12360545
>>12360548
The government cannot stop spacex from going to Mars unless they do something fucking crazy illegal which they are not doing, end of discussion

>>12360589
>The government cannot stop spacex from going to Mars
Never said that they would, my entire contention is that governments will be interested in colonies even if they are privately bankrolled.

>>12360586
>Mr. Musk give me your colony! Give me backdoors! Wahhh!
>Do you still want to use my services to coordinate your military operations?
>Y-yes Mr. Musk
>Do you still want my rockets to launch your payloads?
>Y-yes Mr. Musk
>Then be good.
>o-okay

>>12360589
>The government cannot stop spacex from going to Mars

I mean, they can. It's a matter of whether or not they will.

At what point can't the goverment stop SpaceX from going full Zeon and threatening to asteroid bomb the shit out of it if they don't let them do the colonizing themselfes?

>>12360597
>blackmailing/threatening the US government

Yeah, that will definitely end well for him.

>>12360475
What is Locke's pre societal man? John Locke I assume is who you are talking about? Explain

>>12360602
And exactly how well do you think obstructing the colonization of another planet for (no reason given) would go? Politicians are also beholden to constituency.

>>12360589
yes they fucking can, in many ways.
>yes your starships and all nice and good, but executive order: wait until the UN create a formalized agreement on an updated outer space treaty that takes colonization into account

>>12360599
Depends on SpaceX's anti-missile readiness.
>inb4 each Starship launch is flanked by a swarm of cheap drones ready to intercept incoming fire

>>12360605
Americans landgrabbing the solar system is a huge political incident and would anger a ton of world governments

>>12360607
Are there even missiles that could intercept an asteroid?

>>12360610
What are they gonna do about it?
>>12360613
An ICBM? Maybe? Dunno how effective that would even be, depends on the size of the incoming asteroid I would guess.

>>12360589
>NOOO YOUR ROCKETS ARE CREATING TOO MUCH POLLUTION!!

>>12360610
I said constituency, not the international community (which they most certainly are not beholden to). And don't think for a second the greater international public won't immediately start shouting #teamhumanity from the twafters the second they realize this is actually happening.

>>12360605
>And exactly how well do you think obstructing the colonization of another planet for (no reason given) would go? Politicians are also beholden to constituency.

Given that the population at large gives no fucks about space, it would probably go down pretty easily with maybe a few small protests.

>no reasons given
>implying politicians don't make up nonsensical bullshit reasons all the time and the populating eats them up

>>12360596
Okay yeah I agree with that. It's a good overview, but more specifically I would state that the US government will only be interested once someone else does it (musk) and they will then get all horny about expanding their sphere of influence. They will try to sell it as "we must push muh american values into space" but in reality all the kike democrats will just want a large thing they can tax. Idk why republicans would want to do it other than flexing which is unlikely aside from trump and artemis.
>>12360598
Yes, they can stop it the same way they can break up Standard Oil for being a monopoly or force Boeing and LockMart to make ULA, or force a federal takeover. But there is likely no reason for that to happen. Assuming you could legally go set up a colony in Antarctica for science and exploration purposes the USA wouldnt care to take control unless the ruskies and chinese started competing for land there too. I don't think they will care about Musk-Mars because a) we all know the chinese and russians don't have the capability to land there and b) Mars will not be a multi billion dollar economic front any time soon. If anything Mars will struggle to cling at the concept of self-sufficiency for a long long time. Even doing things like producing your own food and power and clothing are trivial.

>>12360616
Dude the American people are so apathetic that the government goes about shitting on the constitution and slowly stripping away basic rights on a regular basis and the population barely gives a fuck and keeps voting them in with rabid fervour. You think they will care if the government cucks spacex?

>>12360617
>Given that the population at large gives no fucks about space
See how many fucks are given the first time Starship does a full orbital launch, launches dear moon, does its Mars cargo runs, etc. Let me tell you there will be fucks.

>>12360610
It's a whole fucking planet and even a huge city the size of Houston on Mars would not be a problem. Musk will have his colony and the USA gov't might pull some bullshit on him but this isn't fucking King George III vs. the enlightenment period we are talking about here. It's an autist who wants to go live on a rock that makes Everest look like an oasis and Antarctica look like your backyard

>>12360624
Lol just like the first person on the moon?

>>12360622
This. There are Americans out there that unironically hate America. And no, don't say thats hyperbolic. It is their own words. They don't care about what the country was built on. They just want their own utopian world view.
As a wise man once said,
>The problem with anger is that an angry population of people when their government doesn't even provide them with clean water... people with a lot of anger or testosterone usually flips cars over and sometimes even kill politicians... And I hate that shit. You can't have that.
>>12360624
>Let me tell you there will be fucks.
sure for the first flight or two, maybe the landing. But after that, nobody will fucking care. Same thing happened with Apollo. We were on the FUCKING MOON and people stopped caring.

>>12360597
Usually when it comes to governments commandeering the resources or the production lines of industry, the companies have little say in the matter.
It takes a while for corporations to even move their HQs to other countries, Space X isn't moving nearly everything in short order if they decided to piss of the USG and need to flee.

>>12360599
Space X would need to a lot of their infrastructure and assets off world and out of the reach of any other major government, before said governments were able to seize said assets or have their own capability to persue.

>>12360605
Imagine thinking the government is just elected officials and not tons of unelected bureaucracies and other informal, totalizing, power structures.
You niggers really need to read up on some reactionary and illiberal political theory. Markets are not as "free" as they seem, and the governments of liberal democracies are only "limited" officially.

>>12360620
> USA wouldn't care to take control unless the ruskies and chinese started competing for land there too
America and Russia already did give them selves a blank check to claim Antarctica, waiting for the mining moratorium to expire in a few decades.

can Starship do single stage from Mars surface to Phobos or Deimos surface

>>12360624
People care on social media but by-and-large the population doesn't give a fuck
Let's play a hypothetical: There is already a colony on Mars. It's pretty big. The US government has now established taxes on all exported rockets to Mars, and all money generated on offworld colonies. Musk is furious and goes on twitter rants. No one would give a fuck. Even if Musk's twitter crowd all collectively got angry, the average citizen wouldn't give a shit and would not take up arms to fight the USA-Mars embargo. If the USA then seized SpaceX through federal control and ordered all colonists to return, that would be the end of our story (keep in mind I personally think this is extremely extremely unlikely, but my point is that the US citizen doesn't give a shit about personal rights anymore. As >>12360622 said, no one has the soul from the US Revolution anymore. The constitution is just a thing the government can sidestep now a days and no one cares)

>>12360639
Uhhhh it can do a single stage back to Earth anon so yes

>>12360650
that's not the same
achieving escape velocity is easier than reaching phobos or deimos surface

>>12360651
Fuck I want to say you are wrong but I know nothing about orbital mechanics despite owning KSP since 2012. I'll let someone else answer it then : (

>>12360655
play with principia

>>12360628
>We were on the FUCKING MOON and people stopped caring.
We were on the FUCKING MOON and then the state mismanaged it, as states do. Had they listened to von Braun the space program would never have lost the public zeal, or at least not before achieving much more than it did. We're very lucky that private space is at the helm now, it makes it very difficult for the state to kill space with internal politicking like this.

>>12360628
American here, I hate America. This country has nothing left of the foundations it was built upon.

>but u can own gun hurrr

I can't even own the same weapon that a basic infantryman has, let alone any more advanced military gear, which was literally the whole fucking point of 2a, to give the population military parity with fedgov. I have no functional freedom of speech either because the censorship and punishment is enforced by a giant conglomerate of private entities that hold more power over my daily life than the government does.

>>12360666
Satan here is right, y'know

>>12360666
Trips of the devil
And yeah, I meant people who hate American values/ideals. I live in NYC and fucking hate it here. High taxes, horrible gun laws. Dirty fucking city, people are NPCs. Kill me.

>>12360655
I just checked, I am wrong
not sure if they can get back though
probably from phobos

Its very important that Mars trip is private and not NASA funded.
This way it won't be cancelled after plebs start protesting "fix urf first!!!"

>>12360666
>This country has nothing left of the foundations it was built upon
Oh but that's where your wrong, America's foundations have inevitably lead to where we are today. The assumptions of classical liberalism; inherent rights against the state and society, contractual and limited government, the sovereign individual ect all lead to BLM, LGBTASJIFKJADSHKJF, mass immigration, feminism, and the other social ills of progressivism. This country was doomed from the start and by its own hand.

>>12360674
?? the question was if it can do Mars surface to Phobos / deimos surface. It clearly can
3.8 + 0.70 + 0.54 + 0.003 + 0.008
vs
3.8 + 0.70 + 0.40 + 0.34 + 0.67 + 0.39 etc..

>>12360686
here's my prediction:
NASA is going to spend a token amount of money on it
SpaceX is going to do the thing, NASA takes credit
USGov is going to throw a hissy fit at some point, withdraws funding
much handwringing and FUD ensues
SpaceX continues to do the thing but they take the NASA flags down
the end
>>12360690
yes, I was wrong
can they get back? probably

>>12360688
Hmmm how do we have something with the soul of the american revolution while explicitly making sure progressivism can't develop in the future? In other words, if you got a hypothetical fresh start on Mars and got to write the constitution how would you change it from the US's

>>12360700
Anon protip, it doesn't matter how you write your constitution. So long as the people running the show want to corrupt it and fuck you over, they can and will. How much clearer than

>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

can you make your foundational document?

>>12360700
>how do we have something with the soul of the american revolution while explicitly making sure progressivism can't develop in the future
You can't. The same liberal arguments against the monarchies of old are of the same essence as the arguments that progressives use today.
That social order is bad because in it privileges certain classes of people and infringes on their inherent rights. Given the modern conception of rights being egalitarian by nature of being inherent, they naturaly conflict with the inherently hierarchical aspect of a society having shared values.

>>12360700
>write the constitution how would you change it from the US's
You follow the example of Lycurgus of Sparta and the words of de Maistre. In that you try to write very little, and if you can, none at all. As the best constitutions are ones that are unwritten.

>>12360707
This is why Lycurgus was against written constitutions, as he considered it absurd that a citizen could or should know his civic duty only by the written word.

>>12360707
Hmmm. Yeah. I think if a person at some point in their lives says "I want to be a career politician", then your society is already doomed. Whether they go in it for muh conservatism and state rights, or if they're a bartender who want to push a progressive agenda.

>>12360719
>You follow the example of Lycurgus of Sparta and the words of de Maistre. In that you try to write very little, and if you can, none at all. As the best constitutions are ones that are unwritten.
Based

Is this Von Braun from 4:17?
https://youtu.be/7YFU4KaJSSc?t=257

>>12360755
yes

>>12360133
So basically the tl;dr of it Bezos went "get the fuck out of my orbit reeeee" and ol' Muskey was like "np we'll just move that part of constellation to provide even better service in high latitudes sooner", correct?

>>12360765
no they said "uh sure, we promise to get out of your orbit as soon as you have any satellites up" and then they told the FCC they had resolved the conflict with Blue Origin

god the shuttle will always be my favorite. tell me this pic doesnt look fucking metal

>>12360775
RIP actual cockpits with blinky lights and real switches

>>12360778
Looks cool but is shit in pretty much every other aspect.

>>12360452

>>12360778

Had a guest lecture from a NASA guy who's working on Lunar HLS. Said that the HLS landers should have a backup option to land manually.
I didn't believe him but the Alpaca lady said the same thing.

>>12360791
>immersive VR cockpit for Starship

>>12360791
>manually landing starship

Fuck that

>>12360775
The problem is you only need like 10% tops of all that clutter most of the time

>>12360802
yeah, the Raptor hoverslam portion of the ride isn't human achievable
I guess the shitty descent thruster bit at the end might work...

>>12360755
Yeah that's right after he "surrendered" to the USA. Basically they gave him leniency and told him he could go land humans on the moon. Idk what happened to his arm, I wish I knew

>>12360452
also Moonlight Mile, it's like Planetes but 300% manlier

>>12360807
Yeah aren't most of those switches/buttons redundant backups?

>>12360808
>the Raptor hoverslam portion of the ride isn't human achievable
F9 suicide burn might not be, but starship doesn't have to do it so it shouldn't be that much harder than landing a helicopter so long you keep fuel margins in mind

>>12360365
balls of fucking steel

>>12360365
God, why does it look like we have evolved backwards in human spaceflight?
Too much ado about "safety".

I'll be honest anons, I want ALPACA to win the contract. HLS looks too ridiculous as a lunar lander desu.

>>12360365

Happy to see this one, I've mentioned it a few times but no one ever bites. Incredibly dangerous. No one ever talks about the MMU usages outside of MemeCandless.

>>12360852
Alpaca and StarshipHLS
Blue is too expensive.
Alpaca just works.
StarshipHLS is a wildcard but requires least government funding.

>>12360827
Well backups might be nice to keep on hand, but there are also tons of systems only relevant to specific phases of flight

>>12360830
not on the moon!!!

>>12360755
He's such a sperg on camera lmao

>>12360852
>>12360859
if SpaceX wasn't real, ALPACA would be a bright, shining beacon of hope in this depressing world
but now they're just really really cool

>>12360852
Heretic what's wrong with HLS?
>>12360890
Yeah I have the same sentiment. ALPACA is A tier but Starship is S tier for being the swiss army knife of space travel (at least supposedly)

>>12360904
HLS is the name of the whole program
if you're specifically referring to the version of Starship made specifically for NASA, then you need to say HLS Starship or Moonship

>>12360576
>>12360552
>>12360513
Its almost time to rewatch this

>>12360908
>FOLLOW THE SEMANTICS
Everyone knows what I'm talking about anon. If you insist I be specific then let me clarify. Ahem. In my previous comment posted to the /sfg/ thread on the /sci/ board on 4channel at 00:01:09 on the 19th of November, 2020, I said "HLS" and instead should have said "Space Exploration Technologies Corp.'s Starship - variant: Lunar Lander chosen for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Human Landing System Program"

>>12360365
Goddamn that must be terrifying

>>12360852
Cute!

>>12360917
HLS could just as easily refer to the National Team's Lander or ALPACA (which is cute)

>>12360921
I know I'm just giving you a hard time. In all honesty when I was typing out my original comment I was arguing internally whether to call it HLShip or HLStarship or something but the anon I was replying to just called it "HLS" so I went with that

>>12360380
Mormonism.

>>12360926
moonship
memeship
titanium oxide delivery vehicle
Your Mom's dildo
Starkicker
uhhhhhhhh

>>12360476
i will drop relativistic kill missiles on communists

>>12360935
a subset of fascists, anon

>>12360936
Imagine believing in horseshoe theory lmao

>>12360941
all authoritarians are the same

>>12360918
Astronauts are a different breed, I swear.
https://youtu.be/jSefxa9SslU?t=559

>>12360945
>>12360936
all leftists are the same

I'm going to drop rocks on all of you

>>12360945
Behold, the intellectual supremacy of the lolbert.

>>12360946
I think this might be the cutest astronaut I've ever seen.

>>12360958
>TFW no test pilot GF

>>12360945
Imagine living in such a fantasy land that you think your anarcho not-state won't be immediately crushed by an organised state with a standing military.

>>12360961
Female astronauts don’t age well i’ve noticed. Kate Rubins is a QT check her out too

>>12360962
there's a big difference between "lol ancapistania here we goooo" and "our current government is corrupt and oppressive and has generally gone too far"

>>12360967
radiation raping their epigenome probably

>>12360969
Government is authoritarianism, any and all taxation is theft.

>>12360975
t. 17 year old who just learned about libertarianism and ron paul

>>12360610
>Americans landgrabbing the solar system is a huge political incident and would anger a ton of world governments
That would literally just make it more popular as domestic policy. Americans love a good frontier to settle, and one that's dusty red rock fits perfectly into our mythology of the old west. All the President would have to do is say "You're welcome to hand deliver your complaints to the colonial governor" and instantly shut up everyone without a Mars rocket.

>>12360979
>Americans love a good frontier to settle

Lol maybe 200 years ago, take a look at the average "American" of 2020.

>>12360979
A president saying that would be absolutely amazing; no matter what their political party.

>>12360983
Take a look at the average american running for high-profile office too. Something went wrong somewhere

>>12360975
based

>>12360452
LoGH
Its kinda like Hornblower in space

>>12360979
>Americans love a good frontier to settle, and one that's dusty red rock fits perfectly into our mythology of the old west.
i never thought about that, mars is literally a giant wild west planet

SO when are they going to fly this friggin' SN8 rocket I'm tired of waiting reeeeee

>>12361023
When the Raptors stop running shrapnel-rich.

>>12361041
Not a terribly tall order. SN32 shut down badly when lines were damaged by a shard of Martyte.

>>12360941
I believe in pretzel theory

Buran "News"
https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1329323090136993793
Also Rogozin may have Autism

Moonshine Is bad as a lander. At least for the moon base they have in mind. To go back and forth from leo being refueled to bring stuff down from a lunar orbit ing station to a moon base both of which are comically smaller than. The vehicle you're using for that is insanely retarded in so many ways that anyone who doesn't vomit at the mere mention of the idea is confirmed forever to have literal mental retardation.

That being said, it's a way for the government to fucking invest in starship and we just can't have enough of that. No amount of money put into starship will be wasted. If you could invest two apollo programs on it would return the investment many times over

>>12361270
it's good for deploying a moon base though

>>12360610
>Americans islandgrabbing the Pacific is a huge political incident and would anger a ton of colonial powers
>they can't just say they own every single island with guano on it, that's unfair!
>>12360958
>>12360961
Anna Lee Fisher
Anna L. Fisher
Extremely unfortunate.

>>12361285
>Anna L. Fisher
I swear if I ever have kids I'll spend good money paying an army of autists to go over every name we come up with to prevent shit like this

People are gonna go to Mars? What the hell are they gonna do there? I just don't think the business case closes ;)

>>12361332
Mining shit.
We ain't colonising it though. It's dead jim. We'd be better off building large spacecraft for living in until we do find a colonisation planet. There ain't one in this solar system other than Earth though.

By the time we could terraform planets by Mars, we'll most likely be all over the Galaxy.

>>12361332
>What the hell are they gonna do there?

Explore it and eventually live there because it’s cool.

>I just don't think the business case closes ;)

Irrelevant to Elon and numerous other special interests.

>>12360628
Anger and testosterone are good. Kys basedboy

>>12361352
Dude, we can barely live in deserts on Earth.
We're not going to colonise mars. What we will do is develop massive colony ships to extract resources from shit.

Terraforming is extremely difficult and just not affordable within this century at least.

>>12361366
terraforming is extremely difficult and essentially not worth it unless the resources are unavailable without it (venus, for example)

>>12361366
>Dude, we can barely live in deserts on Earth

Millions of people live in deserts. We can totally live on Mars with current technology and engineering.

> We're not going to colonise mars.

Show me your time machine and prove it. You can’t so you lose gg

>>12361366
>Terraforming is extremely difficult and just not affordable within this century at least.

You don’t need to terraform Mars to colonize it, retard

>>12361378
>Millions of people live in deserts.
Yeah, in oasises with rapidly depleting water resources.
On Mars it's worse, you have not breathable atmosphere, dust storms destroy everything and there's not that much water on it.

It's just a dream bro. We need to give up on it and focus on livable ships that can sustain themselves on rocks and asteroids, potentially stuff from planets.

And we need to be careful about depleting resources in our solar system before we are able to reach the next. People aren't even considering that next hurdle yet and that worries me.

Fast space travel is just ridiculous difficult for us to do without dying in the process.

>>12361381
I know, and I don't think it's economical to do without terraforming it either. You're better off orbiting it in spacecraft, but even then there are big issues.

Radiation is the biggest hurdle. We can't even stop the solar wind from fucking our electrical grids on Earth, let alone in space where it will not only screw equipment, but also harm any living thing in those spacecraft.
We don't like living in radioactive ovens.

>>12361387
>Desert nomads don’t exist and haven’t been living in the sand for thousands of years

> On Mars it's worse, you have not breathable atmosphere

Bring oxygen from earth and produce it in situ from CO2 and H2O

> dust storms destroy everything

Dust storms on Mars are very weak due to how thin the atmosphere is.

> and there's not that much water on it.

There’s enough in ice caps and underground lakes, or you could just bring it.

> It's just a dream bro.

Nah.

> And we need to be careful about depleting resources in our solar system

Solar system resources are infinite for all intents and purposes.
Stop trolling.

>>12361392
>I know, and I don't think it's economical to do without terraforming it either

Then you’re retarded and wrong lol

>You're better off orbiting it in spacecraft

That makes no sense whatsoever. You’d have to expend large amounts of propellant bringing stuff into orbit and to no real benefit when you could just use the resources you extract in situ.

> Radiation is the biggest hurdle.

Bury your Martian habitat under a few feet of regolith. Radiation gone.

>>12361401
>Desert nomads don’t exist and haven’t been living in the sand for thousands of years
They don't. They travel across deserts to the next best patch of grass for their herds.
OR they live in what we call "semi arid" parts of these locations.

Nobody lives on sand ergs like we get on Mars unless civilisation is just down the road.

>>12361418
>They travel across deserts to the next best patch of grass for their herds.

Lucky for us, there’s scattered water sources on Mars too.

/sfg/ architecture time

Let’s say you’ve decided to settle on the surface of an icy world like Europa, Escaladus, or something similar. How do you prevent your structures from sinking into the ground slowly due to it’s much higher temperature from the surroundings?

>>12361401
>There’s enough in ice caps and underground lakes, or you could just bring it.
Also there is not enough and whenever it's brought to the surface, it evaporates and blasts into space due to the sun's wind.

>Solar system resources are infinite for all intents and purposes.
Not even the sun is infinite. It is a big concern. Just look at how we saw the Earth 500 or so years ago. We never considered the possibility of depleting it's resources globally. Then we europeans hit Easter Island.

It's same shit with our solar system. Interstellar space is VAST. The solar system is likely traversable within a human lifetime. Interstellar travel will take 100s of years if we find there are hurdles that prevent us from travelling over certain physical thresholds.
So we will end up inevitably in a desert island situation, especially if our population explodes.

That being said, I don't think humanity is alone. I think something out there is definitely hiding from us. It's like an egg in captivity with humanity. It's going too well for most of our development.

>>12361428
Regeneratively cooled foundations

>>12361428
Just put them above ground on pillars like they're figured out in antarctic ages ago. Also if your structures have a surface temperature that much higher than surroundings you're fucked anyways for a different reason.

>>12361428
I'd be more worried about the effects of Jupiter.

>>12361428
Kilometers deep foundations?

>>12361428
strike the earth
>>12361429
there is enough ice, and it does not evaporate
ice is just a rock on mars
we'll never figure out how to traverse the interstellar gulf unless we first conquer the interplanetary gulf

>>12361443
Just put really tall wires on the ground and use it to generate electricity.

>>12361449
kilometer deep rat tunnels

>>12361429
>Also there is not enough

I dunno, I think billions of tons is enough.

>and whenever it's brought to the surface, it evaporates

Ice doesn’t suddenly evaporate on contact with the Martian atmosphere.

> Not even the sun is infinite

Practically, it is. You’re being pedantic. By the time we “run out of sun”, it will have incinerated Earth billions of years ago, so we’ll have vacated the place, died out, or switched to an alternate energy source by then.

> We never considered the possibility of depleting it's resources globally.

And it’s still not a practical concern to deplete Earth’s resources. Counting only known reserves of exploitable crude oil, oil sands, heavy oil, and very heavy oil, we won’t run out of oil until the 2200’s.

> So we will end up inevitably in a desert island situation

Not possible since solar system resources are practically infinite. You could try dismantling Mercury and use it’s material to construct a fleet of thousands of super star destroyers, and only reduce it’s mass by a few percentage points. You could outgun the fictional Galactic Empire without leaving the inner solar system; that’s how plentiful resources are on that scale.

>>12361450
The biggest problem is Martian Dust believe it or not. That shit is what fucks with desert civs on Earth. Here in Aus we've already moved and lost towns due to maintenance issues concerning dust. The interior is a minefield of uninhabitable dust plains.

This is why we'll stay off the planet. Orbiting it is a safer option.
But the real concern for all of this is radiation. Apollo missions were a miracle 2bh.

>>12361461
>The biggest problem is Martian Dust believe it or not

Send some dude out with a broom every now and again. Problem eliminated.

>>12361451
That would surge so much that the maintenance of such a thing would not be feasibly economic.

>>12361460
Dude, we'll exhaust the sun in mere 100s of years I think if we get off this rock.

>>12361461
shut up australia, we all know that it wasn't dust that killed those towns, it was emus
there are no emus on Mars (yet)

>>12361461
>But the real concern for all of this is radiation.

Bury your habitat under a few feet of regolith. This problem was discussed and solved here months ago, and decades ago by actual scientists.

>>12361469
how the fuck are you going to siphon the sun

>>12361461
>>12361468
Yeah just bring some Roombas lol

>>12361468
Corrosion is one thing. Vigorous winds + corrosion is another.
And we're talking ergs moving into your colony. Look at the Eucla in Aus. That town moved several times due to encroaching ergs. You just can't shift that sand away, it's too much for such an isolated region.

>>12361469
>Dude, we'll exhaust the sun in mere 100s of years I think if we get off this rock

Oh ha ha funny troll

>>12361461
Martian dust is a good thing, it means NASA has no feasible excuse not to give Elon some LEU fission reactors to keep his colonists from dying during extended sandstorms.

>>12361475
just dig bro

>>12361473
Anything that's a source of energy can be depleted faster through maximising the efficiency of processes.

>>12361473
A very long straw. The sun is like a milkshake.

>>12361470
>he doesn't know the interstellar emu war of galactic cycle 149275 AES (after emu supremacy)

>>12361475
>Vigorous winds + corrosion is another.

The strongest dust storm wind on Mars is equivalent to a 6 mph wind on earth.

>>12361428
Reverse skyscrapers anchored to the underside of the ice.

>>12361479
wrong?
letting the sun shine on solar panels is almost the same as letting that light escape into the interstellar void
even building a dyson sphere/swarm would not appreciably affect the sun
>>12361483
that hasn't happened yet, anon

>>12361476
We didn't even have a proper map of the world 500 years ago. Why wouldn't we develop that quickly given the pace of things?

>>12361475
>vigorous winds

On Mars? Yeah you can leave now

>>12361486
We'll be extracting things on a quantum level potentially by then.

>>12361484
No it's not.

>>12361489
You really think people wouldn't stimulate storms the moment they touch the surface?
And besides, even small winds are a problem.

spacenoid independence is assured

It’s a good troll but you can stop replying now

>>12361498
Dreamchaser is a capsule

Astra is STILL trying to launch lol

>>12361456
Tunnels are cool I want to live deep beneath the ground like a moleman and have big eyes that can see infrared

>>12361509
same except giant underground cities, LED lighting, and regular eyes that can also see in the infrared

>>12361514
I want perpetual darkness, the smell of my scent markings in the air, and the squealing of my dozens of hairless, pink offspring

>>12361523
I already have two out of three here on earth

>>12361500
And what a beautiful capsule she is

>>12361500
Hindenburg was a low altitude fuel depot.

Geez hope i don't end up in this /sfg/ colony

>>12361538
fuel depots traditionally store fuel in liquid form, no?

https://twitter.com/newsfromorbit/status/1329247149700354054
>starliner eternally btfo

>>12361545
true if big

>>12361541
that's the practical approach

>>12361545
Bless this account.

Boing!

>>12360599
saved
>>12360576
HULLO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7XL3CbMRaQ
>>12361461
>>12361470
It wasn't dust, it was zero point zero rain for years at a time. I saw it on a science documentary like 20 years ago. The outback is a harsh mistress.

>>12361560
Drought basically causes dust

>>12361539
You WILL grow rat whiskers
You WILL have thirty pups
You WILL live in a tunnel
You WILL eat lab blocks

>>12361562
It was the drought that made people leave, not the dust, can't have sheep without something to forage on.

>>12361564
you laugh now, but the Moon is made of cheese
we will be unstoppable

>>12361545
You gave me hope for a second there anon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fPMvMtAu5E&feature=emb_logo

>show my step-mom a clip from one of the battery replacement spacewalks
>she asks why the wind isn't whipping everything around like crazy if they're orbiting so fast
day by day I am driven insane by the general unintelligence of the average person

>>12361560
>It wasn't dust, it was zero point zero rain for years at a time.
Which produced dust and worsened the plant growth permanently in some areas.
Look at western Oklahoma. It's no longer lush prairie. That's what removing topsoil does to vegetation.
Look up the ord river regeneration project about the problems involved with removing soil. They're still having problems and there's no longer cattle on that station.
Dust storms have been increasing ever since we've had these topsoil issues. The dryness is only part of the problem. The major problem stimulating dust is human behaviour.
Guess what will happen on Mars as soon as people start kicking dust everywhere as they walk and drive.

>>12361562
It's specifically a lack of rain. Rain is needed to maintain the integrity of the topsoil. No rain = loose topsoil.
Mars has barely any rain.

>>12360589
Oh sweet naive youth.

>>12361642
do you have a link to the spacewalk today?

>>12361575
>It's all just mouldy Wensleydale

>>12360589
That hurdle is going to be nightmare. The government must be super mad at them already for getting this far.

>>12360602
Dude that's the ONLY way to deal with that bitch of a thing. Some CEOs are naive and don't see the problem, but others just have balls of steel.

>>12361643
there is no topsoil/vegetation on Mars, anon

>>12361657
no sorry, but here's the last one nasa live streamed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGjfPYL9uQ8
i'm not sure if the ruskis live stream their spacewalks like we do ours

>>12361613
For ones missing it.

>>12361669
Yep. So it relies on it's own dry weight to stay on the ground.
If you start kicking that shit around, you will have serious dust issues immediately.

>>12360589
The government can do whatever it wants. Laws and regulations are window dressing for the masses, and get disregarded as soon as they get in the way of whatever the government wants to do.

>>12361672
Spacewalks terrify me. One tiny pebble is all it takes.

>>12361672
NASA livestreams the russian spacewalks

>>12361684
It seems NASA and Russia's programs are on good terms.
Wish the governments were the same.

>>12361679
>One tiny pebble is all it takes.
makes it all the more coolerer then

>>12361684
if they did, they didn't keep it on their youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/c/NASA/videos?view=2&live_view=503

>>12361642
Russians do spacewalks without propulsion module even though they have it.

>>12361662
>The government must be super mad at them already for getting this far.
The "government" does not have one single opinion. For every politician paid to be mad about SpaceX there is another that sees the value in it. The military is knee-deep in SpaceX.

>>12361690
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEghOJJ8Pdg

>>12361690
It's hell badass ay.
So much respect for astronauts.

>>12361704
thank you

>>12361706
definitely
greatest nerds in the world

>>12361642
But seriously, what impact does solar wind have on astronauts at that altitude?
Is it nothing to them?

>>12361564
You WILL have pisslocks

Chinese will land on the moon before Americans do again. You elect that old man who cant talk. This is the Chinese century.

>>12361763
Even if NASA were to put a complete halt on all their BEO mission plans for the next 15 years China still wouldn't be able to beat them to the Moon

>>12360452
Space brothers has an anime apparently.
The manga is pretty good and quite realistic (except it's based on Constellation)

>>12361855
It was a comfy anime and had Soichi Noguchi voicing himself in two episodes.

>>12360452
>>12361855
>>12361866
Go to /a/, you fucking retards. Even KSP spam is more on topic.

>>12361673
Holy shit nice find

Will starships windows be laminated glass or transparent aluminum?

>>12361947
glass

>>12361947
laminated transparent aluminIum glass

>>12360605
>Politicians are beholden to constituency
Yeah but the common man is not the constituency.
We live in a Plutocratic state lol

>>12360821
Injured during one of the V2 botched launches.

>>12360755
Back when men were made of steel.
Now we make rockets out of that.

>>12360889
You'd be grinning like a motherfucker if you knew you weren't going to Soviet Russia too.

Just leant that India will send Manned missions.
1) Why ESA can't into crewed capsule
2) Does the Indian ship look sexy ? or it's a Shenzou/Soyuz ripoff ?

>>12362022
lol no

>>12362022
Never knew somebody need to fuck a spaceship
That seems horrifying even in imagination

>>12362022
>Why ESA can't into crewed capsule
Every series attempt they've made has been hamstrung by a continent-wide bureaucracy and "cost overruns"

>>12362061
Also the Russians giving relatively cheap options with Soyuz

>>12362059
>Inserts dong into thruster
>goes *kabboom*
>tranny += 1

>>12360620
>kike democrats
you spelled republicans wrong

>>12360958
>>12360961
>here's your waifu, bro

>>12362061

>>12362049
Remind me of when they talked about the ATV and turning it into a reentry capsule. Never understood the brown paining/material
>>12362075
Looks sexy.
At least they will have a seat in the Orion because they made the service module right

>>12362022
>1) Why ESA can't into crewed capsule
Bureaucracy.
A culture that rewards idleness.

>>12362145
ESA made the service module, not Roscosmos.

>>12361016
>>12360979
this, how did it not even occur to me,

guess cause only some parts of the west are "red"

good analogy though

>>12362151
I mixed up my replies.
Roscosmos sticks to the Federatsia iirc

>>12360655
Just google Kepler's laws

So what are the best technical qualifications/certifications/trades/skills/whatever for potential future Mars colonist to have? I'm a midwife 100iq who isnt smart enough to do engineering or rocket science but I figure SpaceX is still going to need guys who can weld, operate machinery, fix shit, etc, on Mars. I figure I got ~10-20 years to work on making myself an ideal Martian colonist so what should I study/work towards/get certified in?

>>12362164
>midwife
Midwit lol

>>12361690
kino

>>12360351
ultrakino

why does it feel looking at these pics that we've kinda gone backwards in some respects, when's the last time we ever had a spacewalk with 3 astronauts at once, when's the last time we had a spacewalk not servicing the ISS?

loss of shuttle sucks in so many ways, but is also good in many ways including safety, fucking conflicting feels man

so when are SpaceX actually going to reuse a crew dragon?

>>12362184
Soon™

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Atlantic_Anomaly

howe do we fix this thing /sfg/?

>>12362184
Crew2

>>12360458
>Outlaw Star
>No gay robot fanfiction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHyN9NwN8k4
we've got a leaning tower of falcon

>>12362270
Must have used up a crush core. It's norminal but feels like it's been a while.

>>12362061
>There's a world where the shuttle retirement was NBD because NASA astronauts just flew to Korou and hitched rides to the ISS on the 7-seater Crew Hermes and you don't live in it

>>12362260
There's only one of those in that. Two if you count the ship's AI in those little pill-shaped drone things.
Point taken though, it's not really hard scifi when you have magic-containing antique ammunition and ships designed to punch one another with big Canadarms.

>>12362164
You’re not going zoomer

>>12360380
There won't be any religion on Mars.

>>12362317
What’s it like being sixteen and in the hateful atheist stage?

>>12362164
>midwife
>SpaceX is still going to need guys who can weld, operate machinery, fix shit, etc, on Mars
I think you need to work on your bedside manner a little anon. The human vagina is a delicate organ and you can't fix it with a lump hammer and duct tape

>>12362326
Feels better than devoting my life to some kike fairy tale

>>12360996
I second this, logh is based and redpilled

>>12362022
god imagine the smell of 3 sweaty indian men in a capsule for a week.

>>12362336
Wew get a load of this hot take
controversial!

>>12362336
Never gonna make it anon

>>12362336
cringe

>>12362336
fuck off, cohen

>>12362336
based, fuck christcucks and kikes

>>12362317
this. Anyone who think there will be churches on Mars is delusional.

>>12362326
not an argument

>>12362391
Take it to
>>>/b/
kiddo

>>12362386
>>12362378
>>12362363
>>12362351
obvious samefag is obvious

>>12362399
Get help

>>12362391
>this. Anyone who think there will be churches on Mars is delusional

Therefore, anyone who believes there will ever be a self-sustaining Mars colony is delusional. Mars will merely be an outpost sustained only by immigration, and suicide will be pretty common.

>>12362336
Glad I put down the fedora years ago. Imagine being a 2014 internet atheist still.

>>12362317
Are fleshfags always this wrong?

Nobody cares if you believe in a higher power or not, loudly announcing either position is faggy. If you have nothing to add then just lurk and don't bother posting.

>>12360484
You forgot about the moon waifu.

>>12362413
It’s the warhammer 40k larping crew.

>>12362411
I long for the existence of artificial general intelligence because I want something I can call a god.

>>12361350
We can colonize Mars with billions of people and never terraform it. In fact it's in our best interest to do so, because having large industrial capacity on Mars is what will allow us to shotgun colonize every solid object in the solar system.

>>12362413
Believing in religion is a strongly desirable trait for a Martian colonist.

religion is anti-science.

>>12362431
It think it would seem strange and isolating to inhabit one of those isolated 200km diameter rocks that orbits the sun in some fucked up inclination, there’s hundreds of ‘em

>>12362434
Atheists are more likely to blow their brains out.

>>12362434
faith is anti-science. Religion can be looked at scientifically and science can be looked at with faith.

>>12362022
Euro here, lets be clear.
ESA in THEORY can make crewed capsules&man rated rockets.
They have the knowhow&tech&industry to back it.
In REALITY, ESA is a clusterfuck of nations fighting over every crum of taxpayer money while the french wave their big ariana cock around and the italians blow shit up.
ESA could be so much more...

>>12362439
Men are far more likely to blow their brains out than women. Are you cutting your dick off?

>>12362457
Cutting your dick off doesn’t make you a woman, tranny.

Can you guys shut the fuck up or nah

>>12362454
>big ariana cock
This just sounds /d/-tier

>>12362454
AVUM stage is made in Ukraine by Airbus through different contractors. Vega just like other ESA programs is a goddamn clusterfuck of people pointing at each other for responsibilities, and as you said, money.

>>12362466
I'm not the one who hates my testosterone, anon.

>>12362486
Speaking of testosterone, atheists have less kids, far below replacement level, and are more likely to be mentally ill and depressed and lonely.

Obviously, atheists will be screened out and not allowed to travel to Mars.

>>12362497
Religion has not been considered an influential factor otherwise we would have heard about it more often. This kind of "screening" for hazardous jobs is done more often with other things such as being married and having children having a positive influence in selected.

>>12362497
What makes you think your idea isn’t pulled directly from your ass? Can you name one job that screens for religion besides chick fil a?

Brings me back to the good old days. Was it the Thaicom-8 booster that was also sliding all around the deck (as seen from "How to not land an oribital rocket booster" video)? Seems like Crew1 landing was quite rough.

>>12362497
Virtually all of modern scientists are atheist.
Modern (and future) society has no place for myths and the NPCs who believe them. Your kind is going extinct and won't exist in 100 years

One leg not even touching the deck on that booster. The landing was fine on stream, I think this is due to rough weather. We got hit with the remnants of a tropical storm in Norway yesterday.

>>12360775
it was an overdesigned piece of shit with no clear goal, but it was a fucking cool looking overdesigned piece of shit with no clear goal

>>12362513
looks like the boat is really deep in the water
are they normally that weighed down by boosters?

Crew-1 news conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZStfLgJQpKo

>Simply put, dragon is the best

>>12360778
they may be coming back

https://news.clearancejobs.com/2019/08/16/its-a-warship-not-an-iphone-usn-reverting-back-to-mechanical-controls/

>>12362520
It's barely a boat, more of a technologically advanced raft.

>>12362520
Its a refit barge, they're supposed to sit that low in the water.

>>12362521
The way the crew treats Victor (Ike) like a little brother is so cute.

>>12362515
>Your kind is going extinct and won't exist in 100 years

In reality, nonreligious people are projected to decline as a percentage of the world population over the course of the next century due to demographics shifts and differences in birth rates. The peak of the nonreligious as a percentage of the world population was actually a few decades ago. Keep tipping the fedora, though.

>>12362497
The US and most of the developed world breed below replacement level. I would suggest that instead of pulling Somalians for their colony because they base everything on coarse-grained demographic analysis, recruiters are more likely to pick individuals based on capability and enthusiasm without considering these things. In addition, a Mars colony in its early phases will likely act more like the developing nation it is, birthrate in all, once it reaches the size necessary to have a useful breeding population.

>>12362516
>tropical storm
>Norway

Huh

>>12362511
>What makes you think your idea isn’t pulled directly from your ass?

I’m being facetious, but religious affiliation would be a useful trait to look for if you want a population of people who will be isolated and subjected to stress for long periods of time, especially if you want those people to fuck and make babies.

what were the viewership numbers like?
trending up from DM-2? It was at a pretty convenient time for watching

>>12362535
Much as you might wish it, belief is not a heritable trait.

Rocket launch tonight from kiwiland!

>Launch window: 0144-0434 GMT on 20th (8:44-11:34 p.m. EST on 19th)
>Launch site: Launch Complex 1, Mahia Peninsula, New Zealand
>A Rocket Lab Electron rocket will launch 30 small satellites and payloads for a range of customers, including TriSept, Unseenlabs, Swarm Technologies, Te Pūnaha Ātea – Auckland Space Institute, and Gabe Newell, co-founder of global gaming software company Valve.
>Rocket Lab will also try to attempt to recover the Electron rocket’s first stage by parachute for the first time. Delayed from Nov. 15 and Nov. 18. [Nov. 17]

F

for real though the fuck have they been doing with this thing? Looks like utter shit.

>>12362520
I mean if all the weight is on one corner, what do you expect?

>>12362552
>decided to demolish the structure
F

>>12362538
We get hit with the remnants of tropical storms all the time. They aren't very tropical when they get here though. They're leave us very wet and cold.
Was massive flooding yesterday, today it's snowing. Saturday it's going to continue.

This picture is today. Relatively little rain compared to yesterday.

>>12362552
rip

>>12362547
>Specifying the US instead of the whole world because you’re a dishonest nigger

Lol

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/07/why-people-with-no-religion-are-projected-to-decline-as-a-share-of-the-worlds-population/

Cope

>>12362515
Modern scientists are also extremely faggy and a lot of them revolve around keeping up with the university's liberal cabal while submitting papers to heeb publishers and making sure you network enough to have editorsteinburg give your paper the green light to leave the qualification process and move on to the referees

>>12362552
That thing was kino as fuck, sad. Don't the chinks have a copy of it at least?

>>12362552
that's a big RIP
although I hope they just abandon it instead of demolishing it. It'd be cool to explore.

>>12362552
For England, James?

ffs shall we stick to space?
fedoras can meme somewhere else
here we are here to explore space

>>12362562
>Specifying the US instead of the whole world
The US is the only relevant place in the discussion. No one from China is going to Mars.

>>12362513
definitely looks like a damaged leg. Guess the seas were rough.

If I remember right each F9 leg has a crush core system as a last resort. Guessing a big wave activated one of them so now that one leg is higher up than the others

>>12362547
The unaffiliated are mostly people who have beliefs in the supernatural, by the way, even in “God”.

>>12362573
What’s a crush core

>>12362552
Half of everything is luck, James....

>>12362576
Aluminum honeycomb structure in the leg that absorbs impact when the standard dampening is overwhelmed. It permanently deforms when used, hence the limp.

>>12362576
A crushable core that gets... crushed, if the landing is too rough. Saves the rocket from the worst.

>>12362565
It's structurally unsound, unfortunately controlled demolition is the safest option.

>>12362541
Yeah I’ve read your asinine diatribes before today, I know what you think is happening. It’s not.

>>12362577
And the other half?

>>12362564
Yes, and it's much bigger

>>12362586
No idea what you’re talking about.

>>12361985
Wtf that's cool. I want to find an account of what happened.
>>12362012
Lmao

>>12362563
This, modern academe is a fucking joke, some of the flakiest most retarded freaks with bizarre magical beliefs have come out of fucking universities.

>>12362573

>>12361428
>How do you prevent your structures from sinking into the ground slowly due to it’s much higher temperature from the surroundings?
Same way we do it on Earth in Antarctica. Buildings on stilts.
Early habitats can be literal cans on stilts, gen 2 habitats would be on stilts inside reinforced ice tunnels, and gen 3 would likely be built deep under the surface and preferably under the ice. Before you mention pressure, remember that on lower gravity worlds you need more ice and water depth to get the same pressure. Enceladus for example would have about the same pressure IN ITS CORE as Earth has ~3 km down in the oceans, if gravity didn't also drop off the deeper you go into a spherical object.

>>12362589
Question: did we stop making bigger ones simply out of disinterest, or is it because big distributed arrays are more effective?