/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12307327
Pure politics
Obviously equality has no empirical basis

>>12307327
Perception shapes reality

Either way, tribalism exists if people believe it exists, and people believe it exists. Many of them through race, and what's established as "racial identity"

>>12307332
No one is denying anything.

>>12307327
because we live in a gynocracy

>>12307333
Tribalism and ethnocentricism are results of evolution actually. Those behaviors are simply advantage for the survival of the human groups and thus their genes, who display them, and it keeps getting propagated due to that.

>>12307334
Didn't he lose his nobel over those comments?

>>12307351
For sure
It also reflects the environment that they shape as a result of their identity. An environment shaped around you makes navigation and success quite high/easy.

>>12307334
lmao the fact he had to wait 5 seconds to say the phrase "its genetic" shows how politicized science is and the repercussion of sharing the truth with the world

>>12307327
Because many people have ideology of denial

>>12307353
no he sold it himself

>>12307327
Denial of human races is what we decided.
Take it up with jojo biden if you want

>>12307327
Because we use Clines now

>>12307515
Go back to /pol/ with your murrican faggotry

>>12307327
no one denies that races are real retard it's more that it's very hard to accurately put people into race related categories because there is so much variation in populations. If someone who has two african parents is brought up in germany by two german parents, it would be a lot more accurate to describe them as german than as african

>>12307608
This is a /pol/ thread

>>12308429
I don't see how they'd be German. They'd he citizens of Germany, but it would be strange to label them as German.

>>12307327
>Why is the denial of the existence of human races and the differences between them taken seriously at all?
Because the proof for the existence of race is non-scientific aphorisms based on topical appearances and not anything related to actual biology (which is exactly why you've selected a photo of albino Africans for your argument), most of which is centuries old and refuses to update itself to modern scientific knowledge.
Even new ideas like what >>12307334 was trying to use to justify his case were 1) incongruent to the knowledge we have now 2) based on his personal interpretations, not submitted to any sort of review.
The reality of the situation is that the people claiming the current scientific interpretation of race is somehow politicized to inaccuracy are the ones actually trying to politicize science, because they need science to agree with their personal delusions in order to justify their race bigotry.

Now go cry about how scientific consensus is unfair and politicized just because it won't let you have your own personal facts.

race is a colloquial and fluid concept dude. need something better for science. you're probably an american who has no idea how other people see races/ethnicities. your own groupings are incoherent yet still groupings people understand an identify with. do you think that's useable?

>>12307334
He got rekt for this. Some snarky kike at NYT can just overrule a guy who discovered the double helix.
>however, there is no evidence to support Watson's claims
d'oh! forgot the evidence! silly racist

>>12307327
Jewish ethnic activism. Read The Culture of Critique.

>>12308520
Would it? They've grown up in a german culture, speak german, have german values and friends and essentially family. What makes them african? Because their parents were born in africa? What if his parents were born in germany and then raised in africa? The problem is there is 1 million variables that aren't well defined

>>12308474
No it isn't

>>12308525
Is your argument that there is not enough genetic diversity between different "races" of humans to justify separation?

>>12308636
None of that doesn't magically turn him into a German tho. He is still biologically an African.

>>12307560
A race denier is driving to work (at a Jewish nonprofit, naturally). He stops at a red light. It turns green.
>Ha!
he thinks
>Yellow and blue are debunked!

>>12308698
What if his ancestors from 10 generations ago were germans that moved to africa? What if his future children that he has with a german wife end up having german partners, do his descendents turn german even though their great grandfather was african? What does being biologically african mean and how can you tell someone is biologically african as opposed to biologically from the amazon just by looking at them?

>>12308691
I would say it's more that there is too much mixing to say that someone is particularly of that race, I'm also not the guy who typed that post out

>>12308717
>how can you tell someone is biologically african as opposed to biologically from the amazon just by looking at them?
You do this every day retard

This gets posted all the time and it's always the same argument

Race is real if people believe its real, and people believe its real.

>>12307327
Race affects psychological and physical aspects and no one can actually deny that

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>>12308717
Many novels do not conform to one genre. However, we can still define what a mystery novel is and how it is different from a sci-fi novel.

>>12308740
People believe it's real just like how literally anything is real.

>>12308740
How can people tell the races apart if race is not real?

If you can train a machine learning algorithm to tell the races apart using objective data, how is race not real?

>>12308525
No one wants to study about race and that's why there is less evidence to connect the differences. No one wants their reputation ruined. That's why people resort to logic. And logic was also how evolution was first thought out.

>>12308740
>people believe its real.
But they voted biden?

>>12308525
>Because the proof for the existence of race is non-scientific aphorisms based on topical appearances and not anything related to actual biology
According to whom? Because we can not only cluster entire races, but ethnicities pretty fucking well genetically.

> (which is exactly why you've selected a photo of albino Africans for your argument),
No, I selected it to showcase the utter absurdity of the notion that race is just skin deep. Despite being "white", none of the albino negroes on that picture look anything at all like an actual white person aka northern European.

>because they need science to agree with their personal delusions in order to justify their race bigotry.
Nobody needs to justify racism via science, racism is already completely justifiable in itself by it being just an extension of our natural ethnocentric tendencies. The question here is about the fact that human populations are biologically divergent from one another, just as in any other species that has undergone natural selection and genetic drift.

>>12308527
I am a Finn actually, and I sure as hell don't see some somali immigrant, or their kids as fellow Finns no matter what his/her passport says or what language he/she speaks. She is utterly foreign to me just simply due to his/her biology alone, aka the fact that he/she is clearly from a different population from mine.

>>12308717
>What if his future children that he has with a german wife end up having german partners, do his descendents turn german even though their great grandfather was african?
Mongrelization doesn't invalidate the existence of definiable ethnic groups, just like mixing colors doesn't invalidate the existence of primary colors.

>and how can you tell someone is biologically african as opposed to biologically from the amazon just by looking at them?
Just by looking at them, duh. Do you think that natives of south america look like africans?

>>12308525
It's not because you put more words in your sophisms that you prove in any way you are right. Meanwhile psychology says IQ has a large hereditary component. And if that is true it implies a strong probability in average iq difference between groups that have been separated for a long time. And it is verified in iq test and also general civilisation developments. And meanwhile we keep our head in the sand, high IQ Asians are surpassing the west. While the west is also dominated by high IQ Jews, Asians etc. And civilization is being made more and more hostile to low iq people by robot replacement and an internet that is detrimental to them while it is advantageous to high IQ and highly sociable people. The internet is a giant scam machine to funnels money from low IQ to high IQ psychopaths. And as long as leftists academics bury their head in the sand and silence anyone who speaks about IQ and race while claiming "no bias lol" this hierarchy will keep being dysfunctional.

>>12308726
Yeah, inaccurately. Bullshit that you can tell what country someones ancestors grew up in based on appearance, even geneticist can barely do it. Retard pol faggot

>>12308765
And yet there can be elements that overlap into both so without the proper information they are indistinguishable, just like how you can't tell someone's ancestry by looking at them

>>12308886
>just like how you can't tell someone's ancestry by looking at them
But you absolutely can, wtf are you smoking? Do you think that fucking anyone would think that picture related for example, was a native swede?

>>12308525
>Topical appearances and has nothing to do with actual biology

Take a blonde nord to scorching hot africa and his probability of getting skin cancer increases. Take a pitch black skinned african to the nordic cold and he'll be more likely to catch vitamin defficiency.

East asians are more neotenous. They can be 40 and look 18.

Koreans and a good percentage of ethnic chinese lack the genes to produce body odor

Sub-saharan Africans have an affinity to physical fitness because they evolved in the harsh lands of africa where if you were weak, you'd not survive. An average african person is genetically more physically fit and able compared to some other races.

Surely if there is biological differences in race, you cannot deny the possibility of a psychological difference.

>>12308884
It's completely trivial to tell Whites from Blacks from Asians, and you can tell finer distinctions than that with perfect accuracy, for example Sicilians vs. Swedes. Ffs you can probably do Armenians vs. Ashkenazi Jews, don't play nigga. You know Indians from Persians, jungle Asians from snow Asians, east African from west African...all by sight, in a fraction of a second.

Unless you're really dumb, that is. Or brainwashed. It was only after getting redpilled that I realized people from my earlier life were Jewish. But don't despair. People wake up all the time. You'll come online when you're ready.

>>12308784
I grow really tired of this conversation

By asking me this question, you're asking me to take up an antithetical perspective for the sake of responding to you. At the end of my comment, you will still argument. If you genuinely want to know the position, here it is;

We are, simply put, organisms that have compounded in different environments.
We all have very similar physical functions. Much more akin to each other than other species.
If, for instance, an alien organism came to attack earth, we would not be looking at race, we would not be focused on and perceiving through the lens of race.

What is distinguished as race, at some point, has to be made up based on someones created projection of what signifies these categorical differences. These categorizations are human projection.
Theres been a number of instances where I have personally found more in common with someone whom is categorized as another race, than some people whom are categorized as my own race.

People think in terms of race because there has been similar conditioning.
Similar conditioning can mean a similar shared identity, but people really do a disservice to both the individual and the individuals environmental conditioning here.
That's why people look to race. Similarities.
By virtue of even believing in such a thing, one takes on what gets culturally established as "race identity".

To answer your question directly, people can "tell races apart" because there's been projections of categorization.
I can tell there's differences between me and other people "of my race" just the same. I can do this all the way down to my individuality.

If people perceive in race, then race is real.
Doing so is horribly constricting to ones identity and breadth of development, though.

>>12307327
it serves a political (((agenda)))

>>12308924
And again, I made this comment as a counter to yours. This is simply a way to perceive reality that does its own thing.
Better? Worse? Right? Wrong?
Opinion

However, now that things have been significantly more racialized, people will project "my race" onto me, and classify me with an identity, which, imo, can be pretty dehumanizing.
I assume it exists as an initial categorical response to assess what one can expect from the situation.
If one holds on to these past relationships, negative connotations, say, then they can project this onto the individual, further creating the very thing they have a negative connotation with. It will seep out in their actions and communications. Humans subconsciously pick up on communication much more than we are aware of.

Now that things are tribal, and people will project "my race" onto me, yeah, I feel inclined to "stick with my race" for safety purposes.
Which, again, means that race is real if people believe its real. To even define it at some point is a projection, but the gist of it is "shared identity implicitly and completely relative to ancestral background"
My personal position is that this is a bit constricting and really just sticks around out of fear. I think if groups in generally werent so racially tribal we could simply focus on what can be distinguished as "quality genetics" without bias or clinging to heritage just for the sake of it.

Some people believe "race" really is "a race". I really can't put truth or falsehood on that. It might just be an agitator for development desu. Competitive. But again, it's real if people believe it's real.

>>12308904
Yeah, you can take the most dinstinct genetic outlier and make that point but try find any other human and guess their ethnicity, obviously you can tell that they aren't swedish because people who evolved in sweden have different charactistics, but there are more than likely people in the amazon who look similar to him that you might not be able to tell are amazonion or aborignal, despite being completely distinct cultures

>>12308924
you know I find it quite interesting the same political based that says "race isnt real" is also the same base that pushes the "white privilege" meme. I guess next you are going to be telling me this chart isnt real too right> How about IQ and FBI crime statistics? Oh wait they already do that too.l

It's almost like they take w/e position gives them power and takes power away from whites no matter what the topic or the data is

>>12308911
Okay, tell me where this guy is from and ill agree that you're correct

At the end of the day, people are looking to amass energy behind a singular identity as a means to grow their spire, and similarly pre-established conditioning is an easy shortcut to expect that. Any group can coalesce around, and compound the same mental state, values, skills, etc.

>>12308945
sorry let me clarify here where I said takes it away from whites.

I meant for now, once they neutralize whites next they will come for the Asians, then x, then y whoever is the next target they want to submit to them

>>12308924
Humans are tribal and have preferences that dictate who can fit into a group more easily. Race is a family. Your own race is basically your own family and it no different from the mentality of nationalism. "Our country is better because of X" "Our nation influences others to be great like us" "Glory to X nation".
Race realism is no different from that mentality. We just change the "nation" with genetically similar people which obviously there is an affinity there. If you want to get rid of people seeing
different races then try to convince politicians to unite the world and make Earth into one country. With same rules and same everything. Humans will always be prideful and will always seek to find similarities in people to share a connection with whether it is race, country, or morality. In this case, people are thriving at the ideal that race correlates to how we fit well together if placed in the same society which is understandable because it's a family, but wider in range.
Race will exist as long as nations and differences do. Maybe in the future stuff like that can get sorted but this is a real issue and ignoring it won't really do much since it's in our psyche.

>>12308947
>region = race
pic related

he is aryan

>>12308947
I know your image says Ireland, but if I had to guess he's from denmark.

>>12308947
he looks dutch btw

>>12308945
Again, I just spoke "a position" that exists. I explicitly stated this twice, and even commented that you will attribute this to me and still argue "me".
You want to know the idea, there it is. You putting forth a different idea is to reinforce your position.
I am not trying to reinforce a position ITT, I'm speaking on behalf of ideas and concepts. I'm not empirically pressing one as right or better or correct, because neither of them are. They're lenses to perceive reality through. Something we made up as a means for herd identity and to maintain security and development under this shared identity.
Any group can do this.

I say this, without really taking a position, and then you project these ideas like they're values I hold. You project political theater onto me.
It's, again, pretty dehumanizing. The internet as a whole is a pretty dehumanizing place. Most the time, people aren't communicating with people, just words they don't like.


Before I even replied, you setup this image in your mind of who you're talking to based on a pre-established caricature that you've been exposed to believe harbors this shared identity. If I discuss these ideas, I must have these politics, or be involved in politics period. I must be "the type" to argue with you in a certain way.
I must "push white privilege".
These are all projections you believe about my identity, perspectives, and values because I comment on a perspective that exists.

>>12308947
trick question it's a girl

>>12308972
rofl hoply fuck not reading all this.

I did the same you did, played devil's advocate using you as the sounding asshole ffs I didnt personally attack you chill the fuck out lol

>>12308941
You have never just fucking looked at people with the right eye. I can pinpoint a jew from just his/her facial appearance alone due to my time on /pol/.

>>12308980
*as the sounding board

>>12308947
North western European in terms of phenotype. Could be from any of the nations around the north sea.

>>12308958
>Humans are tribal and have preferences that dictate who can fit into a group more easily.
No argument here
>Race is a family.
If you believe it. Race is a compounded identity in one direction that -can- make it easier for identification, but even "white" has a lot of offshoots.
Identity is best as a useful, potent, virile, competent, and capable tool. What flavor you view this as personally is bias. Anything well developed and in its element will have a gravitas that will draw people towards it.

If the identity is no longer generative, productive, developmental, expansive, etc. etc. then it ceases to be a useful identity. As said, it can be developed in really any way, ideally that which offers a "broader experience", and it will draw in attention and more energy.
In the modern context, marketing has gone a long way to condition in values, so intuition does less of the work. This isn't just about "race", but personal feelings on a subject one way or another.
Thus, what gets established as the current set of values through marketing is a lot of what identity gets based off of and defined relative to, and this marketing goes a long way in deciding what sort of identity will be nourished.
But again, anything well developed has gravity

Anyway, I'm aware of your position, I'm not denouncing or denying it.
I'm simply saying it's real if there is belief that it's real. If you look at the underlying reasons to adhere to this identity, you get more room to apply these ideas and rules in a broader way. Race ends up being a "safe bet", though

I don't want to "get rid of different races" just like I don't want to "get rid of different identities" or "get rid of different cultures". Same principles that manifest in different ways.
I respect diversity as in different representations with the space and ability to compound themselves and develop something illuminating to stamp the planet with
Forcing groups together whom don't want to be is not the same thing

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>>12308990
Well it was norway for everyone who guessed none of which got it right, also
>>12308966
Define race for me then we can try for round two with another image

>>12309012
not even joking norway was my second guess, also go to /his/ and ask about haplogroups ans they will be nearly identical borh r1a/r1b

>>12309012
>none of which got it right
They all got it right. Northwest European.

>>12309012
also norway isnt a race, they would be the nordic sub race of the aryan root race

>>12309008
The thing is that there is no definite answer to what we're discussing. Humans will not make up their minds on something so grand. We can choose to chase our ideals but can never choose as a whole on which ideal. Same as race and same as everything period. We're both biased.

>>12309012
I literally stated northsea area, which fucking includes norway, you daft cunt.
Race=/=country.
Especially in a region where people have been conquering, raiding and raping each other for like the last 2000 fucking years.

I think "white people" also need to consider their identity moving forward if they decide to collectively racially identify.

Chinese people whom go to other countries are Chinese and identify with China's identity primarily. The colonies did not adhere to this. They became their own independent identities, albeit with offshoots in similar roots.
These unique identities allow for development and discovery in unique ways.

In terms of sheer technological unpacking, I don't believe "whites" will supersede the Chinese identity. They seem to be highly mechanical and technical.
"Whites" have more of a connection to abstraction, art, the passions etc. that the Chinese do not. You need only compare the art scenes.

Unless "whites" decided to go full machine mode, they won't compete with this technological unpacking.
However, the abstraction capacity of the identity that "whites" have developed and continue to hold on to makes them a solid balance between abstraction and unpacking.
Meaning what has been developed as white identity ought to look towards innovation and the root level creation aspects, and leave the unpacking to those whom are established as the machine.
Once values come to prefer this innovation, as the rigid can only go so far before they rely on the creation that abstraction brings forth, then people with innovative capacity will be sought after as valuable.

In which case, I would turn people with identity concerns towards more of a renaissance state of mind, get experimental, and loosen up on some of the hardcoded methods and measures that sciences have employed, because their current shape has stagnated at the innovation level.

If things become about rigid unpacking and pure-objectivity, the Chinese identity will reign.
If whites embrace more of a balance and expand their innovative and abstraction skills, they will thus solidify their value.

>>12309012
>norway
You do realize a whole race isn't limited to living in 1 politically classified region?
Everyone knew he was northern european lol

>>12309042
That's why I said it's real if you believe it's real.
It's just a filter to perceive reality through. Neither right nor wrong. They just do different things for different reasons and each filter has its merits and disadvantages.

What the consensus perceive goes a long way, though. I get "race" projected onto me a lot more now than I did a few years ago, and the belief in this perception begins to reflect how we act and treat each other.

>>12309065
>If things become about rigid unpacking and pure-objectivity, the Chinese identity will reign.
I think we are more in an age of storytelling and myth than ever, but it's Jewish myths. Not really passion in the sense of Achilles's rage but a lot of womanish histrionics over being "victimized"

>>12309070
Well that's unfortunate for you. But that doesn't mean other people will think like you. And you won't probably think like them. And now we're all being kinda racist because we prefer our own thoughts over the ones we aren't familiar with. Well damn I guess everything is kind of racist in a way. Which proves that it's an inevitable condition of the human phyche. Oh well thats that

>>12309092
>I think we are more in an age of storytelling and myth than ever,
I sort of agree but I'm not sure I would say "than ever"
The myth of religion and generational story was significantly more prevalent and controlling in the past.

Storytelling in terms of like.. the "spin" on a situation, I certainly agree, with regards to media.
And the "spin" with "propaganda"
The "myths" really reflect more of the immediate environment. Stories of the past are more tools for the present (which is how its always been).
People are a lot more experiential now, they're experimenting for themselves as opposed to adhering to these ideas.
However, media conditioning is very potent right now, so it goes a long way.
Rebellion is high tier now too, so anything that people are taught is "good" and "bad" gets fucked with an inverted, which, imo, is healthy for breaking the shackles of external manipulation.

After all this BLM, anti-white stuff, I unironically get more attention from black women than ever before (in passing, not relative to social ideas and narrative pandering).

>>12308924
By this argument you could equally well say that no distinct objects exist in the universe.

That's stupid and so is your argument.

People think in terms of race because there are obvious differences and clusters, just like we can distinguish rocks, trees, different animals, any entity at all.

>>12309116
>Well that's unfortunate for you. But that doesn't mean other people will think like you. And you won't probably think like them. And now we're all being kinda racist because we prefer our own thoughts over the ones we aren't familiar with. Well damn I guess everything is kind of racist in a way.
It doesn't bother me, it's just behavior and I act accordingly.
Life is perceived through the self. Its pretty natural to cling to narrative, perspective, thoughts, and ideas that benefit us, but what "us" is, is really just down to conditioning.
I am inclined to "give up" aspects of myself if they are not developmental and expansive, especially given the time. It's clinging to dead weight. But even determining what aspects of myself are "better" comes down to a lot of how the environment outside me values them (if I'm paying attention to the external world).

But yes, people will incline towards what is familiar. The indians had a similar concept, I forget what its called, starts with a V, about how, even despite knowing that other peoples perspectives, and how other different ways of living have merit to them, and that all of it is just down to conditioning, that people still tend to choose what they are pre-exposed to and pre-conditioned as. There's merit, because it means it's a lot easier for you to gain motion and momentum, since it comes "natural".
It's not overly developmental though, imo, which is a problem for genetics in general. Ideally, you want things that develop and challenge you.

Neitzsche also talked about "perspectivism", which I would look into. Everyones just representing their perspective.
Even how we "justify" these things is all made up (which is what the buddha said). We are just having a response, then come up with some verbal hypnosis of justification.
Under every "why" we have established in science, for example, is another "why" that we don't know. In which case, all of our knowledge gets based on belief at some stage.

>>12309146
At the end of the day, it's really just about what you "can" do, and what your race, tribe, identity, culture, etc. "can" do.

>>12309142
>By this argument you could equally well say that no distinct objects exist in the universe.
The individuation of these objects and the perception of them being separate is a pretty big topic in some Chinese and Indian philosophy, centering around the idea of duality.
It's all perception relative.
I'm not saying there's no merit to this. I've seen more white guys going for runs in my neighborhood in the past year than ever before lmao.

To me, all of these things are just agitation for the sake of development.
Unique properties allow unique experiences as well. You are afforded a self for a reason, but that self is all individuated from the same thing. All of it is connected one way or another, but our perception of these things, the narratives and stories we tell ourselves, they allow us to act in certain ways.
So, I suppose, do your opinions, values, and perspectives, or anything which you cling to, does is develop you and your world in any profound way? This expansion is all that matters. Everything else is just a means for this.

>>12307381
Cite examples and compare how environment affects success to the effect genes have

>>12308429
Goalpost status: moved

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To all the butthurt repliers my point is what does that tell you about anything? You do realise that by guessing sweden you pretty much assume he is from an entirely disntinct culture which is he not apart, knowing that he's from northern europe is useful for what exactly? Obviously he's also from earth but it's such a broad statement like why is it such a contentious thing if the only thing you can get it out of it is "Ohh i guess he's probably from this region of the earth"

>>12309202
>knowing that he's from northern europe is useful for what exactly?
For determining what race he fucking is, you moron.
That was the question.

What the hell is supposed to be your point? Is this supposed to be some sort of libshit "takedown" of racial categorization or wtf are you even trying to get at?

>>12308525
>topical differences
You mean phenotypic? The way you're wording this entire post tells me you think biology is some kind of concrete science with hard breaks and super-duper complex protocols for demarcating organisms into groups. Look up the criteria for how "subspecies" is classified and look up the 75% rule, which completely invalidates your statement trivializing regarding "topical differences".

>>12309211
No you retarded faggot im saying why does knowing which broad landscape he's from matter? Like what do you think you gain from knowing that?

>>12309202
>sweden and norwegian cultures
>entirely distinct from one another

top fucking lel, are you even from Europe? Out of all of the examples you could have picked, you chose one of the European groups that are among the most interchangeable with one another. Swedes, Danes, Norwegians are all incredibly similar in terms of culture, language and fucking history etc, not to mention the obvious shared racial characteristic, BECAUSE THEY ALL DESCEND FROM THE SAME FUCKING PEOPLE. The only out of place fuckers in whole Scandinavia are Finns, as they aren't Germanic like the Swedes etc are.

Swedes, Danes and Norwegians basically speak the same fucking language for fuck's sake, while Icelanders speak a language more close to the old norse that the Vikings spoke.

>>12307327
One more time then faggots, guess what race he is, this time ill accept general broad regions because I bet you'll still get it wrong now that it's not obvious

>>12309234
>Like what do you think you gain from knowing that?

I gain the knowledge that he is closer to me racially than someone from somalia is, and thus I value his life higher than that of some random somalian.

>>12309241
nah they're all the same they're all the northern european race bro icelanders and swedes alike

>>12309244
Romanian

>>12309249
Right so it's just another psuedoscientific lookism to justify epic racism that based /pol/ taught you about, very nice

>>12309244
Looks northern italian to me, but I am not sure.

>>12309244
>race
White. Really easy. Not like he looks capoid, congoid, australoid, or mongoloid.

>>12309256
Why do you care more for your children than others'?

>>12309252
Yes, they are indeed, the same race.
What's your point?

>>12309256
>Right so it's just another psuedoscientific lookism to justify epic racism that based /pol/ taught you about, very nice

Just like me favoring my own family higher is some "epic racism" right? Top fucking lel at you retarded humanists. You keep pretending that your standards when it comes to how we should value other human beings are some universal and objective truth that can be rationally defended, when they can't be justified intellectually any more than any other moral framework can be.

There is zero "rational" reasons to why I should consider racism to be bad. I favor my own race above that of shitskins, so fucking what? I'd see 10 000 niggers dead just to save one european, and there is nothing in this world that you fucks can say that will make my standards worse or better than your "every human = equal in value" nonsense you peddle as truth.

>>12309279
>Valuing life based on how much they kind of resemble you despite no family connections either way
>But.. im not racist bros
You are retarded

>>12309279
>I'd see 10 000 niggers dead
period

>>12309288
You illiterate nigger, I said that I am a racist, and that there is nothing wrong with racism.

>>12309294
On second thought, I really don't need a justification for seeing niggers dead t b h.
I completely, unironically, consider it a fucking wasted opportunity that instead of WW1, Europeans didn't use our technological superiority to cleanse Africa from the native subhumans and colonize it instead with Europeans.

Imagine a world where our race controlled North America, Europe and Africa.

>>12309302
Yeah well i wish everyone was a epic based and redpilled /sci/ browser racist like you, the master race

>>12309302
It is insane. We used our knowledge...TO HELP THEM BREED. Now they're having like 8 children per woman thanks to White living standards

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

>>12309306
You can make your snide remarks all you want, but I am 100 percent sincere. I do not share your humanistic world view. To me, life on this planet is a struggle for living space and resources, and from that perspective, nonsense like humanism and liberalism just makes you easily exploited by outgroups who use your goodwill against you to fuel their own interests.

I would, if I could, gladly eradicate every shitskin from here Finland just to eliminate the potential threat they pose to the continued demographic dominance of my own people over our living space.

I know that this sounds "edgy" to you overly empathetic retarded humanists, but it is just cold self interest and logic, taken to the level of demographic ingroups. No force on earth will make some somali nigger a Finn, and thus I owe no fucking loyalty to him/her, and his his/her has less worth to me than that of some random fox living in our woods. All of them are potential threats to my people, as they are members of a competing population, in our territory, and their existence here is in itself abhorrent and unacceptable to me.


>>12309314
Indeed. Hopefully the chinks will rectify this situation, as where Europeans are crippled by being overly empathetic, the chinese are notoriously lacking in it.

>>12307333
You're such a brainwashed fool. Would you use that argument with any other species?
>>tribalism exists if birds believe it exists

Doesn't matter what life-form; all creatures great and small are genetically wired to survive. The best way to do that is by great numbers of the same instinct-driven species working together toward that same goal. It's natural to want to congregate and seek shelter with your own, especially when another group is more violent than yours. Fucking animals know this. Stop letting stupid narratives dictate NORMAL survival instincts.

>>12309202
>entirely disntinct culture which is he not apart
Culture and race are different.
>knowing that he's from northern europe is useful for what exactly?
Determining his race.

What does identify the difference between the European Gray Wolf and the Italian Wolf tell us?
Tells us a fucking lot.

>>12309341
>Hmm yes, and then I willl get trad fem wojack gf and we will live in this epic based white only society. Now if you don't mind I just excreted half a gallon of fecal matter onto my carpet, but don't worry, my dear mother will clean that up

>>12308429
>>If someone who has two african parents is brought up in germany by two german parents, it would be a lot more accurate to describe them as german than as african.

A common house cat can nurse and raise a bobcat to adulthood but at the end of the day you're not turning that bobcat into a domestic. And you'll be lucky if that bobcat doesn't 'accidentally' eat fluffy for dinner.

You can't alter genetics or instincts because you (or your political beliefs) feelz like it.

Why does every argument about race devolve into questioning its definition. It's like having endless semantic arguments about when something is a hot or warm.

>>12309341
It's a battle so long as we maintain it, but as it stands, it's a battle.
Different groups have merits, and the "times" call for different energies relative to larger sets of human values (no one really likes pollution personally, for example)

I'm not saying deny the struggle nor the battle. They're a generative means for development. There are other ways to agitate this, however, this battle is the contextual stage we find ourselves on. One must be cognizant of the contextual environment they find themselves in, but one perpetuates it just as much as they adhere to motive through this means.
Life is an oscillation of dancing and fighting, but it's important to know "what time it is". In which case, one must choose the apt philosophy, values, identity, etc. to succeed within the established environment. All of them are temporary, though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_humanism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_humanism

>>12309392
Again, your shitposts change nothing. You can't defend your world view, as it is blatantly weak and open to attack by subversive outgroups, based on dogmatic assertions of equality and "inherent value" of human lives etc nonsense, and abstract ideals that have no basis in reality.

All you have are your half assed shiposts.

>>12309416
Because arguing about semantics is the only way libshits can try to pretend that race isn't real.

>>12309407
Yeah but funnily enough humans are not like bobcats and if you raise an african in germany he isn't gonna revert to speaking african or sounding african or even really having much in common with the average african because so much of human development happens during the lifetime as opposed to the the genes you're born with. He will have much more in common with germans than africans whereas a bobcat does not have that plasticity

>>12309348
>Would you use that argument with any other species?
Many species "contractually" live in symbiosis with one another, some of them always live this way, some temporarily.
Some of them aren't even symbiotic, but simply draw and defend lines, and each of them gets to engage in their species needs. Both groups will adhere to these lines without prodding calamity.

With humans its different, as things like scarcity can be synthetically manufactured.

>>12309430
>Le Dogma
>Le Abstract worldview
You should be a writer bro you could like change human thought forever with these words you heard a bunch of fat white kids use on an internet forum

this really isn't that fucking hard to understand.

you cannot conduct a scientific study under the appropriate conditions to test these hypotheses. no black (or white) person has an upbringing which is not influenced by their race. you cannot, for instance, give an IQ test to a black person from an alternate universe where blacks are the majority in the world, lived in Europe and traveled to the Americas where they owned white slaves.

>>12309430
>Compassion and cooperation are just made up concepts, the only thing real in this world is white supremacy
You can't make this up

>>12309451
Why don't we just make an IQ test biased towards black people and give it to white people.

>>12309462
They kind of have in the past for little children anyway. Because the regular pattern testing for children involved white-centric toys they instead used toys that are more common in africa (something like clay from what I remember) and found that african kids were way better and smarter at doing pattern and IQ testing with those. Hmm also makes it seem like it's cultural instead of genetic

>>12309449
More strawmen and shitposts, do you have anything else to say or are we done here?

it is funny how every interaction with humanists ends up with you degenerating to a sandbox level argumentation.

>>12309457
>>Compassion and cooperation are just made up concepts,
Never said that. They are tools, to be used when they help your own ingroup to thrive. Feeling compassion towards everyone and co-operating with everyone is fucking insane. You pick and choose whom to feel compassion for, and whom to co-operate with.

And the only thing that is real in this world is survival, and as I was lucky enough to be born as an European, of course I am gonna advocate for the survival of my own race.

fem types have an ingrained perspective to look at things bottom up, and masc types, top down
that's pretty much it
you take the group with the most shortcomings in culture and maternal instincts will kick in
with men, they are focused on building and advancing their position, so these types are a burden to them

its perspective, so getting in an argument about it is basically expecting people to completely shift their identities to adhere to the perspective.
it's never going to happen on the internet, and everyone itt is really just reinforcing and solidifying their identity more and more

>>12307327
Remainder.

>>12309462
>>12309473
Modern IQ tests all use just lines, dots, circles, squares etc type of things to test out pattern recognition. The whole "muh iq tests favor Europeans due to white centric culture" is just pathetic cope from insane egalitarianists who are in denial about the differences in the average intelligence between the races.

Also, if iq tests are supposedly so "eurocentric" how come asians in asia do so fucking well in them as well? Did they get brought up with "white-centric toys"?

>>12309490
>IQ tests
Do you call your chemistry final a "grade test?" They're intelligence tests. The resulting score is IQ.

>>12309490
The argument is that asians have largely adopted eurocentric perspectives/developments, and function with that lens

anyway, white cultures been all over the place, so of course theyve come to recognize a myriad of different patterns
I wonder if pattern recognition is also aligned with personal identity and values, though.
do i see a certain pattern you dont because it has personal value to me?
also, are the patterns europeans learned relative to the environments they developed in?
does the language used to express a pattern have cultural connotation?

I'm not pulling out BTFO cards, I'm just curious
Tribalism kind of gimps genuine enquiry.

>>12309202
>To all the butthurt repliers my point is what does that tell you about anything?
It tells me you are an idiot everyone guessed correctly, you don't know the difference between a region and a race and you called people calling you out for being a moron "butthurt". It shows me how stupid the people that push this pseudoscience nonsense are and the childish lengths they go to when they are called out for it

>>12309202
CULTURE IS NOT A RACE
REGION IS NOT A RACE
COUNTRY IS NOT A RACE

YOU ARE A FUCKING IMBECILE

>>12309474
Okay let's try it again
>The only thing that's real in this world is survival
>Survival of races that is!
I don't think /sci/ is the board for you, well I guess it is now that pol took over

>>12309501
so whats a race?

>>12309510
>>The only thing that's real in this world is survival
>>Survival of races that is!

>>12309511
A competition over who reaches the finish line first

>>12309511
Australoid, Mongoloid, Caucasoid, Negroid and sub categories thereof based on distinct observable traits and genetic markers. The names are purely arbitrary depending on who you talk too

>>12309511
A sub population of humanity that shares distinct physiological traits and genetic heritage with other members of said subpopulation due to members of said population descending from the same roots.

>>12309490
this is not what I said at all. the tests aren't eurocentric, the society which raises the children is.

one attitude is that blacks have poor upbringing because of racism, another is that they raise their children poorly because they're black and thus deserve to have prejudice held against them. if even if you take the second opinion, hopefully you can see that it is difficult to scientifically prove one or the other

>>12309526
So Asians and Mexicans share a racial identity then

>>12309538
Race=/=racial identity, you daft cunt. The former is a biological category, the later is unironically a social construct.

Like the category "white" for example, while often used as a synonym for European, didn't historically at least, have any real meaning in most of Europe because while we for the most part, were pretty much the same race, our identities were much more ethnocentric, tied to our nation, and before nation states, our local villages, religion etc shit, over which we found reasons to feel antipathy towards other Europeans with different identities.
That however, never erased away the shared racial characteristic of the European peoples.

>>12309538
are you retarded? Of course they do. Can you not see it? Holy fuck are you legit retarded? It is well established/know that the "natives" were siberian/mongolian. Just stfu you are clueless af so why are you making a fool of yourself in this thread? Jesus Christ this is a native peruvian can you not see the obvious genetic connection? These people could pass for thai, Cambodian or even Vietnamese

>>12309578
fuck forgot pic. Hilarious the libturds cant even tell one race apart from another and no absolutely nothing about these people or their history while they screecxh racist at you and tell you race isnt real. Leftards truly are mentally fucking retarded

>>12309626
Lol you dumb fuck I was making the connection how Asians and Mexicans share the same race and would not give two fucks about each other in a war
Racially identifying is meaningless is you have no shared cultural identity

>>12309637
See>>12309549

We are talking about biological categorization, not your fucking spooks about muh identities.

>>12309637
>because people identify in regional groups to serve their interests this has something to do with race??? for reasons
>moving the goal posts this hard
you are a stone cold fucking retard my dude.

>>12309637
Ok so by your logic bloods and crips in the united states are different races? How about Californians and New Yorkers while you are at it fuck lets get real retarded

>>12309659
>yes white new yorkers and black new yorkers are the same race and black Californians and black new yorkers are a different race. checkmate /po/ tard. Also race doesnt exist

>>12309637
>t,

>>12309244
Definitely Caucasoid, assuming by his complexion I could say that he could be perfectly from Western Europe. Nevertheless, this phenotype isn't exclusive to this area. Many Mediterraneans countries can have this phenotype and I say that small amount of North Africans/Mena can look like that.
>Haha gotcha. He is white but not in europe. BTFO.
Caucasoid isn't exclusive to Europe. This includes people from North Africa, Middle East, India, Europe and Central Asia. There are in fact people in North Africa that can have blue eyes and blond hair(Berbers rare) and they are still perfectly locals to their area. However, the average Caucasoid from North Africa usually have different phenotype compared to the ones of Western Europe. I can definitively say that isn't Australoid, Capoid, Negroid or Mongoloid,

>>12309451
you could use the same argument to prove that ants are smarter than human beings by devising an IQ test which ants were better at

whatever you're measuring by playing with clay, it's not intelligence

>>12309437
>if you raise an african in germany he isn't gonna revert to speaking african or sounding african or even really having much in common with the average african
Oh right, so black people don't commit much more than their fair share of crime in all western countries?

>>12309437
>He will have much more in common with germans than africans
Not biologically, which is what matters more than muh culture etc bs.

>>12309538
>Asians and Mexicans
Partially, modern Asians and Mexicans share a common proto-asiatic ancestor that lived in Siberia long time ago. They separated and formed what we know as Native Americans. Pure Native Americans can really resemble Asians in many ways(Epicanthic fold, skull shape, lactose intolerance, etc). Nevertheless, Mexico is heavily mixed with Caucasoid, thus not all Mexicans will resemble all these Asiatic traits. Therefore, the more native the more Asiatic looking. Your pic related has probably a considerable amount of native American blood, thus the Asiatic looking

>>12308904
>But you absolutely can
No you absolutely cant lmao, you can tell only the most dominant traits in the given person. Or did you think there was no fucking going on through the millennia of conquest and migration?

>>12309730
>you can tell only the most dominant traits in the given person
Aka their ancestry. Nobody claimed that someone can tell the entire fucking family history of someone by just looking at them. But I certainly can tell what someone is racially just by a glance.

>>12309692
what the actual fuck are you talking about?

>>12309341
> cold self interest and logic
No its just hardcore tribalism and you are either too stupid or dont care to see anything beyond it.

>>12309736
>Aka their ancestry. Nobody claimed that someone can tell the entire fucking family history of someone by just looking at them.
Yes they did claim that, that is literally what ancestry is you cretin.

>>12309741
Hardcore tribalism is perfectly logical from the standpoint of serving the interests of your own ingroup.
I see no reason not to embrace tribalism. It is an evolutionarily winning strategy when compared to universalism.
http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html

>>12308429
It wouldn't. Nobody sees him as German and nobody ever will. If he goes to Japan people will think he is African, if he goes to Africa people will think they are one of their own, if they can think at all

>>12309746
Serving the interests of your own group isnt the only or even the ultimate goal. That im having to explain this to you is wild because its straight are you a man or an animal level philosophy.

>>12309744
No it isn't. If you can tell that someone is from northern europe by just his phenotype, you can tell something about his ancestry just by looking at him/her, as his/her ancestors HAD to be from northern europe, and pretty much nowhere else, as that phenotype is unique to that region of earth.

The only case where you can't readily tell much about someone's ancestry is if you live in some disgusting multiracial mongrelized shithole where everyone is some mystery meat mutt with ancestry from every 4 corners of the earth, as in Brazil for example.

Thankfully, here in Europe, we are still far, far away from such a sorry state of affairs.

>>12309751
There is no ultimate goal to existence. Nothing fucking matters on an objective perspective, thus there is nothing wrong with going with my "I hate niggers and people who don't look like they belong to my race in general" gut instinct.

>>12309755
You have to realize your stance is shit if your only argument is existentialism right? We evolved higher intelligence because it was a successful strategy, instead of actively reverting to base systems try aspiring to something better.

>>12309739
Not him, but I think is the mirror test.

>>12309751
I don't benefit from helping niggers. Actually the opposite as they harm my psychy by being ugly. No problem with latinos and Asians.

>>12309752
> as his/her ancestors HAD to be from northern europe, and pretty much nowhere else,
Kek northern europeans were flooded with groups from as far away as the med and the steppes of asia multiple times, and by further degrees africa and southeast asia.

>>12309692
Let me guess, mirror test? The fact that ants pass this test earlier than humans doesn't mean they are smarter than humans, but means they develop self awareness earlier than humans. That test doesn't measure complex intelligence.

>>12309761
>You have to realize your stance is shit if your only argument is existentialism right?
Why? According to whom? Who are you to declare yourself the arbiter on this matter?

> We evolved higher intelligence because it was a successful strategy, instead of actively reverting to base systems try aspiring to something better.
Why the fuck should I, especially if the "something better" in fact, doesn't in any way, actually benefit me, or my ingroup?

>>12309767
Are you unironically claiming that the scandinavian people have always supposedly been some mongrelized mystery meat muuts? Because I can just take a boat over to Sweden and see bunch of those smug, blonde, blue eyed, white skinned Swedes who used to rule over my people for 800 fucking years, and as far as I can tell, until very fucking recently, those blonde faggots have been the absolute demographic majority of that land.

>>12309752
>t. poortuguese
go ask for more dinheiro from germany and never pay your dents, moldova of western europe

>>12307333
SPBP
It's tribalism, it's a way to cope with death.
I'll eat my own shit with a fork if someone posts the sources, the papers that make racism something other than a fucking cope.

>>12309773
I am a Finn, not a filthy moor rape baby.

>>12309767
>by further degrees africa
>muh out of africa
Retard, you have no education whatsoever and you'll never produce anything intelectually worthwhile
>southeast asia.
the above applies even more so

>>12309774
See
http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html

Proceed to deliver the shit eating pls.

>>12309778
Amazing, so you're a mongol hunter-gatherer indo-european mongrel that has only existed for 100 years
Nordics truly are the niggers of Europe

>>12309771
>why
Because it is analytically useless and is functionally the same as saying "because magic"
>why
Your own premise is that you want to enforce evolved structures that led to success, ergo you should aspire to further intellectualism as higher thought is the most successful survival strategy we have seen. Second, you have no way of knowing what will benefit you over any meaningful timeframe because sociology is a soft science that is underdeveloped

I'm claiming, correctly, that human history is ~150-200 000 years and the entire duration has been a churn of mixing ethnic groups. I'm claiming that even in the last 1 thousand years the genetic intermix literally everywhere has been immense.

I now see you arent just a fringe poltard but an actual NPC who forms their world views based off of propaganda and instinct. Congratulations though because for once the stupidest person in this thread isnt American.

>>12308941
As a brazilian i'm offended, aboriginal people are not like natives in my country.

>>12309780
I'll give it a read and see if it warrants it.
You have anything more? What about the based anti-racism people, do you have evidence too?

>>12309786
Yeah, totally, my people who have been living in this swamp land for at least the last 2000 fucking years, just magically popped into existence 100 years ago when the nation state of Finland was formed, because populations are of course, completely dependent on states etc for their existence.

Just like america only became inhabited when the Declaration of Independence was signed.

>>12309779
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors#:~:text=In%20711%20the%20Islamic%20Arabs,in%20an%20eight%2Dyear%20campaign.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great#Indian_campaign

Try reading a book once in your life lmao, you almost certainly are carrying trace dna from all over the globe.

>>12309797
What if I told you the women in your swamp were routinely fucking foreigners?

I'm fed up with this unironic racist bullshit.
Post your evidence, I want the see the books, the papers, the sources. Is racism a cope? Is racism real? Tell me where do you draw your conclusions from, you fucking cowards.

>>12309789
>Because it is analytically useless
According to whom?

>ergo you should aspire to further intellectualism as higher thought is the most successful survival strategy we have seen.
But it isn't. Intellectualism has led to disastrous policies in all over west, like the embracing of liberalism, multiculturalism, women's rights etc, that have all pushed the entire demographic future of our own peoples in our ancestral lands into jeopardy. Not to mention that high IQ doesn't even positively correlate with reproductive success. Intellectualism isn't a virtue if it leads to dysgenic results.

>Second, you have no way of knowing what will benefit you over any meaningful timeframe
I know from my pure personal interest that I will in no way benefit, from being a racial minority in my own homeland, which is the future I will face if the current demographic trends brought forth by overt intellectualism and liberal ideology persist.

>I'm claiming, correctly, that human history is ~150-200 000 years and the entire duration has been a churn of mixing ethnic groups.
No shit, nobody denied this. That doesn't however, mean that races don't exist like you keep insisting.

>>12309797
Yes, foreigners from neighboring swampland to the east, that were basically genetically our kinsmen anyways, and the conquering germanics from the west, as well as the fellow finno-ugrics from both south and the north. Though most often, they were fucking the Finn from the next town over, as travel wasn't really a luxury most people had for most of our history. This sort of genetic intermixing is not the same as modern day race mixing, and cannot be used to justify these current trends, let alone the notion that I should feel some moral solidarity toward some niggers.

>>12309804
>foreign expeditions affect the dna of the source
It doesn't matter how many you read, you will always be a handicapped low-life retard. Tie the noose and kick the stool, you are a genetic dead end and any female (if youre not a faggot) who decides to reproduce with you is also genetic rubbish
If you are not either pure Caucasoid or Eastern Asian, you are automatically genetic garbage anyway

>>12309822
Meant to respond to this>>12309805

>>12309821
Racism doesn't need fucking science to justify itself. Racism is an emotional impulse, born out of the ethnocentric tendency our species evolved to poses. This isn't a justification, it is an explanation of the impulse itself.

Wether or not you think that racism is wrong or good, depends on whatever moral spooks you buy into. Personally, I think it is based and redpilled, because I am not a humanist, and I have embraced just going with my gut instinct of "niggers are disgusting to me" on these matters. Also, I hate lying, and personally I feel like I am lying by omission by pretending to like niggers, as in truth I find them utterly revolting.

As much as I like these threads, I'm gonna be that anon and say how I'm shocked this thread hasn't been pruned yet. Looks like all hands are on deck over at /pol/ to spin the narrative.

>>12309832
>I-I don't need to explain it!
Fucking pathetic.
You're not a credit to your race or species whatsoever.

>>12309821
Íf racism does not existe, why there's a lot of racist people in all the world? even blacks are racist. People from Unganda hate gingers.

>>12309837
If Allah doesn't exist why do so many people kill themselves for it? I fucking hope you get on your knees to pray.

>>12309833
It is just me basically, just a shitposting Finn, but as it is way too late here and I actually have to get some of my university bs done by tomorrow, I gotta go to sleep soon.

>>12309835
But I explained it you daft cunt, I said that you don't need to justify it. There is a difference between the two. Just like you can explain what love is as chemicals going mad in your head for the purpose of encouraging you to reproduce, that is in itself, not a justification of the emotion.

On the same note, you don't need to, nor can you really ever justify racism on "rational" grounds as it is an emotional impulse. It is a feeling, and thus it can at best be rationalized, not justified.

>>12309841
>racism is muh feels that need no explanation
I thought that was a thing of the left?
So what, racism is just a meaningless cope? epic.

>>12309840
I can't see Allah, but i can see people that are not from my country breaking stuff.

>>12309849
Whoa fuck that's your evidence?
It's just the color of their skin, no other factors invovled?
Fuuuuck
I bet you don't get a pullitzer for that mindblower because science is controlled by jews.

>>12309841
>>12309835
To clarify, by explanation I mean basically just going trough the reasons why it happens, not if it is morally right or not, whereas the later is covered by justifications.

>>12309844
See above.
I did fucking explain it. It is born out of ethnocentricism, which in turn is a trait we posses due to evolutionary forces favoring it as it was a beneficial trait for survival. That again, doesn't justify it morally, but anyone who thinks that emotional responses need moral justifications is a moron anyways.

Racism is as much "meaningless cope" as "love" or any other emotion is. You can't justify emotions. You can explain why they occur, but you can't rationally "justify them". Niggers aren't like me, I feel no kinship towards them, and their appearance and behavior disgusts me, thus I feel antipathy towards them, simple as.

>>12309853
If you use more than a factor science start to not work well.

>>12309856
I'm really intrigued by this "racism is an emotion like love" tripe you keep going on about, where can I read more about it? Got a tumblr?

>>12309860
How is racism not an emotion according to you?
What do you even mean by the word?
Because I use it to mean antipathy/hatred towards clearly different racial outgroup, and that is an emotion if anything is.

>>12309865
I mean, I am really intrigued to know more, I want to understand deeply. But also my anti-racist feelings make me hate you.
Honest question, do you have a vagina?
Does it flap when you sit on the toilet?

>>12309860
>I'm really intrigued by this "racism is an emotion like love" tripe you keep going on about, where can I read more about it? Got a tumblr?
If it's natural to love your mother more than your cousins, and it's natural to love your cousins a little bit more than your second cousins, why isn't it natural to love people in your racial family a bit more than people outside of it?

Racism just means a preference for people with more shared genes with you, and kinship preference is a very simple way to ensure your genes are passed on.

Racism is the same basic thing as loving your family, and nobody thinks it's a bad thing to love their mother.

>>12309887
Disengenius shitposting isn't argumentation.
I asked you questions relevant to the topic at hand. We can't discuss anything if we don't even know what we mean with the terms we use.

>>12309896
That sounds really nice, but when does that translate into BLM and the KKK and the shit show that is american politics today? When does racism stops being love to become hatred?
Is it really ok to live your life on gut instincts? Can your gut instinct justify some faggot terrorist killing a bunch of children in the name of that love? Are you a fucking animal?

>>12309900
I can't believe it's so hard for you to just give me some sources. The fucking youtube video you learned this from, the fucking screencaped post that ibnspires you to say these things. How did you come to these conclussions and what reinforced them? Are my anti-racist feelings as valid as yours? When do your feelings become moe important than mine? Is there any rigor at all to this? Fucking faggot.

>>12309896
What do you think about the Rwandan Genocide?

>>12309910
>Are you a fucking animal?
Yes

>>12309910
> when does that translate into BLM and the KKK and the shit show that is american politics today
Because racial difference marks politically important group differences, and all political conflicts can become violent. In America today, most black people hate white people and want them dead. That's normal for countries with ethnic conflicts. Eventually it might turn into a genocide.

> When does racism stops being love to become hatred?
Love implies hatred. You can't love everyone. If I love my family, then I must hate the people who hate my family.

> Can your gut instinct justify some faggot terrorist killing a bunch of children in the name of that love?
America kills children with bombs all the time. Terrorism is what they call people without an air force doing the same thing back to them.

> Are you a fucking animal?
Yes, because I'm human.

>>12309916
One of many. It's interesting that we are told Europeans caused these wars and genocides by putting different ethnic groups in one country, yet multiculturalism in Europe is supposed to be good for us.

>>12309914
Why do you think that I needed some YouTube videos etc shit to make me think like this?
My thinking is the inevitable conclusion of the realization I had years ago that humanism is bullshit, and I don't buy into it's moral framework because I'd rather see 10 000 niggers dead than have any harm come to my own family members.

And as for if your subjective emotions are more valid than mine, to you, sure, but objectively, neither has any more validity. Objective morals are a spook. Morality is subjective.

>>12309931
It's good to know that feelings reign supreme over your life. How does that translate to niggers, chinks and spics being subhuman? Or are you some type of racist who just accepts humans are inherently fucked in the head and goes with it?

>>12309922
Based and monke pilled.

>>12309934
I'm glad you're no longer trying to pass it off as something scientific or superior, just some monkey faggot impulse to kill a monkey from another tribe.
See? It's easy to advocate for racism when your argument is "ooga booga niggers bad"
I'm glad you understand morals are bullshit bro. Good monkey faggot following his violent monkey insitincts, just like those damned niggers.

>>12309940
>It's good to know that feelings reign supreme over your life.
And everyone else's. All politics is about feeling and emotion. What else would it be?

> How does that translate to niggers, chinks and spics being subhuman?
I don't think human beings exist as one species in the first place. Humans are a genus and there must be several different species of human. Nobody is subhuman because we are not the same kind of human in the first place.

> Or are you some type of racist who just accepts humans are inherently fucked in the head and goes with it?
I accept that being racist is part of my human nature and I don't feel ashamed of it. I feel that I'm close to SJW white liberals in one sense. Like them, I don't deny being a racist. They understand their instinctive feelings of racism as racism, and feel ashamed. I simply accept my racism as natural, not good or bad in itself.

What's bad is hatred, since war and murder come from hatred, not racism. Since love is the seed of hatred, I try to love people less, and treat other people with the dispassion and cynicism they deserve.

>>12309954
Fucking based.

>>12309952
>I'm glad you're no longer trying to pass it off as something scientific or superior, just some monkey faggot impulse to kill a monkey from another tribe.

You are confusing explanation with justification again.

>>12309952
>I'm glad you understand morals are bullshit bro
Where do you think morals come from?

They were evolved like everything else. If morals killed your tribe off, they didn't survive to the next generation. So you don't see the contradiction between "it's good to love your family" and "it's bad to be racist". Of course you wouldn't.

>>12307327
This isn't /sci/.

>>12309962
Yes it is

>>12309954
>Since love is the seed of hatred, I try to love people less, and treat other people with the dispassion and cynicism they deserve.
Bravo Lucas

>>12309959
I never said they weren't bullshit.
>Where do you think morals come from?
From coping with the fear of death, just like tribalism and everything else.
Why do you focus on race? Do you do it with religion too? Why would you ever trust your neighbor? Just because he's white? That would be fucking stupid but you probably can tell that, right? Or are whites like the only race without serial killers or pedophiles or prone to armed tantrums?

>>12309970
Morals exist to allow societies to run at all. Since humans are social animals, they had to evolve some moral code as soon as societies got larger than immediate families where the largest male could punish infractions. The fear of death has nothing to do with morality's direct reason for existing.

Religions evolved as a substitute for family in a large capitalist society. I know I can trust my family, but to do trade and economic specialization, depends on me trusting someone I don't know well. The only way to do that is if I know he has my moral values. If we share the same religion, I can be nearly certain that he won't cheat me or try to kill me, because we both believe we'll be punished.


This is why nobody trusts atheists.

In a fucked-up society like the US, it might be that whites can trust whites, but it's more likely that blacks just hate all whites, so whites can legitimately mistrust blacks.

>>12309922
It got to close to the truth, some chimping out is in order.

>>12309962
you arent /sci/

>>12309821
>show me the papers about how African killer bees invade and destroy European honey bees living spaces. Invasive species don't exist
>t. retard

why focus on racial differences when gender differences are so much more prevalent and obvious?

>>12309980
>This is why nobody trusts atheists.
Proofs?

>>12307327
They deny gender (or sex), as well. Some people seem to have a problem with objective reality.

>>12309496
>The argument is that asians have largely adopted eurocentric perspectives/developments, and function with that lens
unbelievable cope. You just would say anything to avoid conceding the robust IQ deficiency of black relative to other races

>>12310486
>Bees and human beings are the same
Enlightening

>>12311256
if you are too stupid to look at nature and see it all works the same, microcosm to macrocosm, you need some new bifocals poindexter

>>12308688
>race
>science
No this is a /pol/ thread and it's time to go back

>>12312480
By what logic, is race not a scientific topic?

>>12312565
We already have a board for the humanities for social sciences

>>12309774
>>12309791
http://humanbiologicaldiversity.com/
timestamp poop-eating pics please

>>12308429
First of all sociology isn't science.
Second, no, it wouldn't you retard. If an Sub-saharan African is born and raised in Germany, it doesn't magically make him able to receive a bone marrow donation from Germans.
http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1993074,00.html