/sci/ - Science & Math

das rite

>>12219678
Shitpost aside, I think people look down on it because they don't realize how general computer science is. The general feeling is that math and physics lets you do anything in stem, while engineering lets you do anything in industry. Barring shitty CS undergrad programs, CS as a research discipline is fairly general and I've seen people in that field do nontrivial work in math, science, and engineering.

Also this board is full of undergrads who like to jump at each other for the lowest hanging fruit. CS is an emerging important STEM subject that has the issue of having weak undergrad these days because it's so new and industry funds programs to be codemonkey central. It's easy to feel as though CS is entirely a meme, though there's very clear indication that it's not. That, and they like to reduce CS to "uhh yeah I can write code."

>>12219678
Mechanical engineer here. I look down upon CS because it's a fucking joke.

Anyone can learn how to code. I took a course in machine learning and AI and understood the math better than all the CS people because of my engineering background. I've become an expert in coding (C++ and python) because I often need to crunch numbers fast, using parallel supercomputers.

I'm sure you CS guys can code a compiler better than me, but I don't care because compilers are fucking boring. I wanna design shit, using math and physics, and I know all the programming I need for that.

I guess I'm thankful for the compilers and OS y'all make. But do we really need more compilers and OS?

>>12219678
So basically eng majors are treated exactly like business majors at career fairs. Interesting

>>12219678
>Biology, Chemistry, and the other "Sciences" are irrelevant compared to us.
6/10 bait, this was a little too obvious. see me after class

>>12219819
>NOOOO IT'S A BAIT!!!!! ANYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS BAIT!

I am not sure which uni you are in but if CS majors are learning as much math as math majors I would probably consider switching uni.

Nothing against CS majors by the way, I don't get the hate either. I have always found CS a subject fascinating on its own, but I find the claim that CS majors are learning as much math (especially analytical math) as math majors rather stretchy.

>>12219678
Computer Engineer, I look down at it because literally anyone can work as one.

I have friends in all disciplines of engineering and a few in business/finance. Most of the engineers ended up not being able to get a full time position for their degree and ended up working as a developer, most of the finance/business people did a coding bootcamp and don’t even bother with their degree.

>>12219933
Look up penicillin.
Without biology and chemistry you might have never existed.

>>12219678
>can easily learn their physics because as I said we already do harder math
>physics = math
Absolute brainlet undergrad.

>Physishits hate us because we're employed easily
No, because you're taking away the easy data science jobs that they occupied and dominated for decades. Because managers look more at what your curriculum is named like although you have pretty much zero physical or engineering experience.

>Mathematicians hate us because we're basically Mathematicians
kek

>>12219772
>Mechanical engineer here. I look down upon CS because it's a fucking joke.
Stopped reading right here, you're just a CAD Monkey.

>>12219678
Based. Continue to make /sci/ seethe

>>12219695
Who are some guys with a pure cs backgrounds who are doing research in math, science or engineering?

>>12219772
>I've become an expert in coding (C++ and python) because I often need to crunch numbers fast, using parallel supercomputers.

>>12220793
Haha I write my own simulation codes. I also do CAD because it's a useful tool sometimes. Monkeys don't design things.

>>12220958
Watrous
Vidick
Srivastava
Szegedy
Mulmuley
Vazirani (both of them)
Gallier (civil eng undergrad but otherwise CS)
The entire CMU graphics and visualization group
Grochow

>>12219772
>>12221180
Everyone writes code these days. The value of CS work has little to do with “muh codebases.” Stop being ignorant and pick up a book.

>>12219678
YOU ARE A CODE MONKEY STFU OBSELTE. YOU LACK A HAIRLINE. YOU ARE OFFICIALLY GAY STFU

>>12219772
Undergrad meche here. I'm glad to see MechEs are based af

>>12220022
I remember when I was about to go down the CS route that there were so many fucking opportunities to just skip college. Some of them were even free.

>>12221567
>undergrad
You’re worse than everyone in this thread. Go back to failing basic undergrad fluids lmao

>>12221575
>>12220022
I wish CS and software engineering weren’t synonymous. Fuck shitty undergrad programs cursing the general public and even non-research stem to think this field is about fucking around with code and libraries.

>>12221577
Oh damn I'm sorry for being an undergrad ahaha, I'll just fucking get a masters right away sir. I have yet to fail undergrad fluids since that is fucking junior year.

>>12221588
The point is that you’re an undergrad, you don’t get to feel better than anyone, especially with the low standards for mechE these days. Despite our faculty being strong you still had people in the major struggling with basic statics.
Approach your ego with skepticism.

>>12221605
I'm aware that my ass is going to be torn soon. I'm just trying to trash talk CS here nothing more nothing less.

>>12221624
>just trying to trash talk CS here
Should look inward before trying to trash talk other people anon. CS is fine even if the students suck.

>>12221624
CS is partially the reason why engineering standards have dropped so much. The funding towards numerical methods, modeling and graphics techniques, and nontrivial algorithms following CS research has made engineering so much easier and well maintained. People much smarter than you already trivialized what you’re claiming pride for.
Same goes for rocketry and simulacra software.

what if I majored in Applied and Computational Mathematical Sciences?

>>12221725
i build tank to bomb muslim what you do code monkey?

>>12219678
I write simple java code at a bloated company and some of my coworkers state they are "software engineers" on their linkedin.

>>12221556
CS doubters thoroughly BTFO

>>12222308
Write the software that's about to send your identity to both tbe FBI and the terrorist moosleems at the same time. It's over for you now.

>>12221768
I did that but it's mostly numerical analysis, high performance computing, parallel computing, advanced algorithms, machine learning etc etc. It's more akin to applications of CS rather than pure math. I took functional analysis, manifolds, algebraic topology on my own dime and none of those topics were crucial to my computational math masters degree.

Does people look down on cs in your country? Here it's irrelevant
In my thid world shithole it's basically this:
Doctor good
Engineer ok
Every thing else is irrelevant
There's also an image that EE is the most difficult major , is EE known to be hard in your country?

>>12219678
>>12222675
>>12221582
no, coders are not scientists. computer science is the new assembly line work.literally blue collar but monkeys believe they are white collars. They get the tile of engineers to get a high dose vapid power trip and tell their parents they are not failure, while still having a shitty pay. LOL engineer my ass.

this is why all the big corps like apple push the state to make coding mandatory in public school, in order to increase competition among the monkeys and to avoid spending money on training them

Cotona has fucked me up bad time. Just started a PhD in cs. Read papers for months, but still am unable to fisd a topic. Everything either feels completely trivial, and hence uninteresting, or just literally uninteresting. I don't want to be a part of this shitty AI bubble.
I really wonder how Church or Dijkstra just did it. I rarely see my advisor and when I see him, he isn't convinced at all that my topics have chances of success.
I don't want to receive money for nothing, I want to actually DO something besides sitting here all day in underpants reading fucking papers. I kow this is a big part of the job, but it's not 10hrs 7 days for more than half a year
Fuck, I want to do something

>>12222684
>coders
>computer scientists
these are not the same people

>>12222556
too bad i work for your government

>>12222967
no you don't undergrad

>>12219678
>CS Superiority
Sure, if you want to waste money on a 4-year degree that'll land you a shit-tier code monkey job fresh out of college

>>12223078
>code monkey
if you are in STEM and doing a non-lab assistant entry level job (and hell even if you are), you are most definitely doing a form of codemonkeying. Yes, CADmonkeying is codemonkeying. Yes, PSCAD is too. Yes, Cadence is too. Yes, using solvers to help check the design is too.
>shit tier job
Most of the high tier positions everyone fights for adjacent to software is occupied by CS majors from good schools. Of course you have some people from different backgrounds, but from my time as an intern at 2 top 4 companies and working in research for another, the majority of people here are CS majors. Having helped conduct interviews, I can tell you that other engineering majors are not nearly as talented, quick, or versatile as they like to advertise here LMAO. That being said, double majors in any two stem subjects tend to be better than most, regardless of their combination.

Not shitting on traditional engineering, but you should take their "I can do X job as well AND I have more" with a grain of salt. I've seen enough crossover between CS and EE majors that it's clear anybody can do w/e they want given motivation, and I've seen enough EE and mechE's from big name schools fail the interviews to know that trad engineering degrees means jackshit as far as qualification to solve problems. More math majors make it through, but even then they don't adjust nearly as well as they advertise, either.

TL;DR you are almost assuredly not as good as you say or think you are.

>>12223155
Based engineering is easy as fuck when compared to CS and Engineers as a whole are brainlets compared to Computer Scientists

>>12223160
not what I meant.
CS, especially undergrad, has its problems too, and there's a reason why the process to weed out CS majors is still so extensive - there's a LOT about engineering (yes, real engineering) and doing professional work that these companies teach their new CS grads.
It's just that EE and mechE people always overestimate their ability to solve problems just because they have some lines of lab / scientific computing code that usually follows
>import mathlib
>do sequence of calculations
>store sequence of calculations in array
>FFT somewhere in there
>uhh graph it or combine in some way
>done
They never actually *solve* problems computationally - the problem is solved and they're going through the steps to write out the calls. This is likely why they have such a reductive view of any work related to software in the first place.

I also like Bio Informatics. Real biologists such as the ones developing biological weapons for the US Military definitely could not do programming, they are basically our bitches

>>12222624
>applications of CS
bro you spelt math wrong.
and yeah that's why it's called "applied"
also I read pure math i my free time. It's more of a hobby thing than a job thing.

>>12223180
Just described this moron:
>>12221180

HAHAHAHAHAH

>>12223180
>mfw just realizing lib stands for library

>>12222624
If you want to find pure math in CS, it's not computational math.
>functional analysis
ML theory and quantum information theory
>manifolds, algebraic topology
ML theory, dimensionality reduction (think UMAP), computational topology

anyone know how to get past the 5 solutions per month bullshit on slader?

Criticizing fields you don't know shit about is undergrad-tier. Stop doing this or be ridiculed.
Every field has its own perks and quirks, challenges and toughness. Everyone should get off his high horse and accept that different interests and pursuits exist.

all undergrad stem is shit all masters/phd stem is based

>>12223750
How about you stop being a nigger?

>>12223775
>>12223806
Lmao tell this to the kiddies on /sci/. It used to be shitposting but people seriously buy into muh major ranking and tier list bullshit.

>Virgin computer scientist develops dystopian technology which will inevitably end the human race in either psychological slavery or AI nuclear holocaust

>Chad engineers make the world a better place by creating life-enhancing and often life-saving technologies

When will CS basedmen learn

>>12223877
>life-enhancing and often life-saving technologies
>prolonged suffering and propagation of dysgenics
YIKES
someone's mad their job will be automated.

>>12223877
>engineers make the world a better place
lol that's funny mr missleman
weapons is by far the largest funding and acceptance for traditional engineering

>>12223877
>Literally design Missiles
>Didn't invent Nuclear Weapons but have advanced them to create even more death and destruction.
>Make the world a better place

>>12223305
>>12223180

What y'all fail to realize is that I don't give a shit how the code libraries I use are coded. I use them because they are simply tools for my end goal - to research and design cool stuff.

If those tools didn't already exist, I'd make my own. But they exist so I use them.

It's not my goal to 100% understand every single line of code I use, or every equation that I use.

It's my goal to design cool stuff and I've done so using codes that you probably made.

But that's where the line is drawn. You guys made the tools, but you don't know the usefulness past that.

You don't know how to design stuff like I do.

I'm thankful for your endeavors, creating the software tools that I use, but ultimately I'm at a higher echelon than you.

I'm like the builder of the house, and you made the hammer and nails, or supplied the wood.

The builder would make his own hammer or find his own wood if he had to, but thankfully monkeys exist to do these menial tasks.

Us real engineers (mechanical, electrical, etc) solve more problems than you ever will. We solve real world problems, you just supply some tools. They're useful tools, but they're still tools. We're thankful even though we think you're also tools.

>>12223984
>to research and design cool stuff.
You act as though this is not what CS is about.
>It's not my goal to 100% understand every single line of code I use, or every equation that I use.
Nobody cares about this - the point is that CS isn't really about code, but you keep reducing using libraries to CS somehow.
>I've done so using codes that you probably made.
"""""Making codes"""""""""" is not my job, nor is it the job of the computer scientist
>you don't know the usefulness past that.
yeah okay bud, tell that to the guys who made all the standard rocketry simulacra and interfacing tools
>You don't know how to design stuff like I do.
Yes I do. In a similar vein, sitting in CAD and designing things for the lab isn't as inaccessible as you make it out to be.
>muh creation of software tools
CS isn't about software tools
Either way, get out of here with your reddit spacing

>>12223984
What y'all fail to realize is that I don't give a shit how the devices I use are designed. I use them because they are simply tools for my end goal - to research and design cool stuff.

If those tools didn't already exist, I'd make my own. But they exist so I use them.

It's not my goal to 100% understand every single transistor I use, or every truss that I use.

It's my goal to study cool stuff and I've done so using devices that you probably made.

But that's where the line is drawn. You guys made the tools, but you don't know the usefulness past that.

You don't know how to do science like I do.

I'm thankful for your endeavors, creating the measurement tools that I use, but ultimately I'm at a higher echelon than you.

I'm like the builder of the house, and you made the hammer and nails, or supplied the wood.

The builder would make his own hammer or find his own wood if he had to, but thankfully monkeys exist to do these menial tasks.

Us real scientists (physicists, chemists, etc) solve more problems than you ever will. We solve real world problems, you just supply some tools. They're useful tools, but they're still tools. We're thankful even though we think you're also tools.

>>12219678
>refuse because he know they are evil
you know that's a lie right?

>>12223888
>>12223926
>>12223983

Hoes mad, enjoy the wrong side of history fellas

>>12219678
Whatever nerd, I just got paid $3k to spend a few minutes punching numbers into an excel spreadsheet and stamping the results. Enjoy not having a profession protected by bureaucracy and the sanction of the state.

Physics here. I interviewed at a tech company once. I got declined and they later contacted me about a "code monkey" job. I knew I couldn't afford to live in anything more than a closet if I accepted. This is why I am not making like 500k

>>12223984
>reddit spacing

>>12219682
I didnt realize a thread could come to such a concise and abrupt end.

>>12219678
You were doing so good until the last part. Once genetic engineering and the neofeudal caste system takes off, geneticists are going to rise to the fore. Biology is just hiding it’s power level, waiting for the precise moment to remake the world.

>>12219678
An EE graduate can get hired for coding and a ton of other shit while a CS graduate is doomed to a life of coding. Just thinking about that makes me want to put a gun in my mouth

>>12219678
>I have come to the conclusion that this board hates CS because they're simply jealous at our superiority.
Yes, it's the same as anti-anglo posters on /lit/ and /his/

>>12226066
>An EE graduate can get hired for coding and a ton of other shit
See >>12223155
If you are in entry level stem, no you are codemonkeying, no matter who you are. No matters who you are, there is a component of using a computer to solve a problem in STEM.
> CS graduate is doomed to a life of coding
...if they apply to software engineering jobs. Even among those, there is a similar tiering with traditional engineering: leads don't do the coding and focus way more on design and solving the problems at hand, etc etc.. That, and you heavily underestimate the work that CS majors do as they mature in their career.
That being said, there's literally nothing stopping them from doing research, working on scientific computation problems as engineers in labs (I've seen this with two of my friends, one of which who went for an MSE PhD after working with a materials research lab for a while), working in real time systems, etc etc..
The engineering degree is pretty good if you want to be an all rounder, but don't underestimate CS just because a lot of its grads are underwhelming.

>>12226073
>he doesn't know
First of all, EE getting software jobs is possible but doesn't happen as commonly or as easily due to what >>12223155 said.
You would be surprised how common this is:
>do CS
>get big bucks jobs because of resume keywords and searches
>want to do something else in a few years
>get a masters in their desired field funded by big bucks or even by their company
>pivot into that field
I've seen this happen in multiple places, where software engineers start specializing into hardware integration and then go fully into hardware design. CS into CE and EE isn't as uncommon as you think, especially since getting into masters programs for these isn't too hard. At *most* for a masters, you have to take some physics classes, making a 2 semester masters into a 3 or 4 semester thing.

im a marketing major, ya'll are so fuckin autistic LOL.
get whatever degree that gets you bread you fucking idiots. all that matters.

>>12219678
Unironically
>software dev
cringe and bluepilled
>CS research
based and redpilled

>>12224457
lol imagine braggin about making 36k a year. Stfu you literal nigger

>>12219772
God damn it CS isn’t about hacking shit together in c++ you dumb ME.

>>12219678
People like to act that CS, especially in research, means that you're constrained to doing stuff with computers only. In reality, people branch out as they want. There are multiple labs where interdisciplinary stuff is common, and where people can dip into what they want. The story of the CS major going on to do other stuff isn't as uncommon as you would think - but it's less common than EE switching over the CS because the money is nice and the skill floor is a bit lower. This doesn't mean the skill ceiling isn't very high.

Basically just do whatever you want and stop giving people shit. CS (software mostly - research is harder out the gate) is low skill floor but also high skill ceiling.

>>12223155
Unironically based and redpilled

>>12219678
Physics, math, biology, medicine. All of these are derivatives of chemical engineering. God himself was a chemical engineer. Humans are simply chemical plants. Subatomic particles are analogues of tiny batch reactors. In = out solves every problem known to man, and we are the masters of it.

>>12220958
me

>>12221556
>Vidick

>>12228720
chemistry is just the physics of atoms/molecules

>>12228748
I said chemical engineering. Chemistry and physics are both subsets of chemical engineering.

>>12228808
chemical engineering is applied chemistry which is applied physics which is applied algebra

>>12228808
>chemical engineering
Which is a subset of Electrical Engineering. Feels good to be on top.

>>12223155
They hated him because he spoke the truth

>>12228812
>>12228837
No it is not applied chemistry, and electrical engineering is not on top. Electricity in = electricity out. Thus it is chemical engineering. Anything involving mass or energy in a system is chemical engineering. Also I get paid 96k a year to jerk off at home so there's that.

>>12228837
Electrical engineering is just engineering of chemicals, which is the algebra of chemicals.

Algebra is always at the top.
>>12228870
>Electricity in = Electricity out
>=
There you have it. Algebra of chemicals.

>>12224220
they said that about hitler.

>>12228808
>>12228812
>>12228870
>>12228942
Lol chemical engineering is just a subset of mechanical engineering. Literally just mass/momentum/energy balances combined with physical chemistry.

>>12229080
Mechanical engineering is just the algebra of physical objects, so it's still just applied algebra

ITT undergrads go at each others neck because not being the best would destroy them for how much effort they're putting into school topkek

>>12228812

All of which is just applied neurology

>>12219678
"Do more math than engineers"
https://youtu.be/bVQka7bsCr0
I watched this video about the math in CS and nothing in here is not covered in a typical electrical engineering curriculum. And information theory was created by electrical engineers. Plus you don't take partial differential equations or fourier analysis courses. I took a classical fourier analysis course taught by one of the greatest mathematicns alive and there were only math and EE students there. met a lot of cs students from diffrent programs but typically if they aren't in a top school that has a significant weeder process then they usually complain and bitch about having to learn math and physics. I tutored at a state school before and a lot of the cs majors would constantly complain about having to take general physics especially soft E. Also, if there is no PE license for your field then it is not engineering. Electrical Engineers statistically have higher IQ and are usually deemed the smartest amongst all engineers.

CS majors like to boast about competitiveness but the only reason it is so competitive its popularity and the limited space at universities to have cs msjors. My school has 4 cs majors to contract that.

CS majors almost never contribute very little to the foundational knowledge of their field. Let alone others. Even CS students at top schools contribute nothing to the foundational knowledge of cs such as knew algorithms or new ideas in complexity theory or other areas. You talk about doing more physics than EE but why are there EE with prestigious prizes in physics but no CS people with such awards? Also, I can check the stats on it but i think that EEs contribute more to the foundations of CS through developing knew techniques in machine learning and AI than most actual cs students.

No CS major has never been awarded NSF, Hertz, or NDSEG. Plenty of EE have.

We beat you already at the undergrad level and we leave you in the dust at the graduate level. EE FTW

>>12219772
please don't run python scripts on supercomputers. you are wasting not only your own time, but everyone else who would like to use the computer's time.

>>12220026
jokes on you, im allergic to your dumb bread mold AND to aspirin

>>12220026
look up y2k. You're welcome for existing.

>>12223042
>>12222967
glownigger here, you both better drop what you're doing as someone's about to knock on your doors.

>>12224011
What y'all fail to realize is that I don't give a shit how the things I use are designed. I use them because they are simply tools for my end goal - to do cool stuff.
If those tools didn't already exist, I'd make my own. But they exist so I use them.
It's not my goal to 100% understand every single law of nature I use, or every organ that I use.
It's my goal to do cool stuff and I've done so using devices that you probably made.
But that's where the line is drawn. You guys made the tools, but you don't know the usefulness past that.
You don't know how to do cool stuff like I do.
I'm thankful for your endeavors, creating the cool shit that I use, but ultimately I'm at a higher echelon than you.
I'm like the builder of the house, and you made the hammer and nails, or supplied the wood.
The builder would make his own hammer or find his own wood if he had to, but thankfully monkeys exist to do these menial tasks.
Us real lads (females, males, etc) solve more problems than you ever will. We solve real world problems, you just supply some tools. They're useful tools, but they're still tools. We're thankful even though we think you're also tools.

>>12224457
> not writing code to do the same shit and effectively not do any work and get paid
you're the real loser here.

>>12219678
>have far more advanced math skills

That's how you trigger /sci/

>>12219695
> That, and they like to reduce CS to "uhh yeah I can write code."

This makes you a 2x median salary in most countries so yes.

>>12222957
> I don't want to be a part of this shitty AI bubble.

That's if you're going to do research in AI. Problem with AI and a phd is that a lot of fun stuff would make a 10-15 page paper instead of a huge doctoral thesis. Come to think of it any doctoral thesis in this realm is going to suck, be boring and likely irrelevant when you're done. You can always enter the meme machine of explainable artificial intelligence and dump a lot of time into that. A lot of math theory has already been developed surrounding this in recent years though.

> I want to actually DO something besides sitting here all day in underpants reading fucking papers.

Guess best thing to do would be to look for very recent meta study publications and interpret where (big) gaps exist.

>>12219678
>Biology, Chemistry, and the other "Sciences" are irrelevant compared to us.
no

>>12222675
are you from latin america?

>>12219678
CS are complete slaves and coding is so fucking boring.

>>12230173
>EE with prestigious prizes in physics
Name some.

These "arguments" are fucking stupid. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

>>12230173
There’s a lot wrong with your post, and a lot shortsighted (undergrad pde’s for engineers is insanely easy - don’t even try and talk about difficulty if you haven’t done pde’s after at least a few semesters of analysis at least as difficult as Rudin, folland, etc.) things made to boast about EE, which all things considered isn’t easy but isn’t as hard as you’re making it out to be. BUT the most egregious example is this:
>No CS major has never been awarded NSF, Hertz, NDSEG
Do you seriously believe this? Hell, do you believe the NSF claim alone, especially when CS brings a lot of impressive grant and scholarship money?
>no PE license means not engineering
The majority of entry level work and even non entry level is not predicated on PE. PE is important in civil and for team leads to have it down the line for legal purposes, but it does not an engineer make.
...and it’s shortsighted because it’s US-centric. In Canada, software engineer is a gated, protected engineering title behind certification and accreditation like the rest.
>EE created information theory
Information theory was created by Shannon acting as a mathematician more than as an engineer. Nonetheless, CS people have used and contributed to information theory in communication complexity, algorithmic information theory and entropy extraction, and most recently quantum information.
>CS majors almost never contribute very little to the foundational knowledge of their field.
Most people in engineering and CS are not there to contribute anything. Most people from both camps shut up and calculate until they can get internships and a job. If you think otherwise, you should address you biases.
That being said, there are *enough* EE and CS students who do contribute to their field from undergrad onwards. There are always 5-10 at least per graduating class.
TL;DR be skeptical of your in group and stop huffing your own farts
>t. EE grad, in masters for RF

>>12229764
neurology is the algebra of neurons

>>12224018
No they really are evil.

>>12219678
I'm 3rd year CS undergrad and I'm not superior to anyone.
I've got to say though that there's a lot of misconceptions about CS, even here where people should perhaps know what they're saying.
I surely learned far more math than my engineering friends (talking about prestigious schools in both cases) and given that the EE, CE and ME majors I know don't have proof-based math at all, there really is no comparing here.
Also, what I study really isn't codemonkeying. I did take OS, compiler, microcontroller and computer architecture courses which were all quite tough and people who understand these are truly based, but I mainly focus on approximation and paramethrized algorithms, which is as close to corporate codemonkeying as algebraic number theory, maybe less.

Generally what I'd really like to point out is that sci focuses too much on academic education. Your professors and the athmosphere at your uni will certainly have an effect on you, but to be good at anything, it's the energy you give on your own. I can imagine the best CS researchers to be math majors or even physicists and engineers by academic education.
Again though, I'm in CS as a 140 IQ midwit with little of my own drive and believe I will remember little from uni ten years after graduating (probably being a codemonkey then).

Really appreciate anyone who reads this and even more if you react. Didn't plan on posting a block of text here, originally came for a laugh.

>>12231271
Just to add to this
>I surely learned far more math than my engineering friends (talking about prestigious schools in both cases) and given that the EE, CE and ME majors I know don't have proof-based math at all, there really is no comparing here.
To clarify, on the other hand the amount of math a math major learns is far beyond what we learn. Far away from it, and even our first and second year algebra and analysis lectures are made simpler to the ones mathfags take.
This, again, doesn't make a CS person unable to read advanced mathematics books in the same way math majors can read about paramethrized complexity (for which they are much better prepared than 'software engineering' majors).

>>12231271
What math classes did you take?
also
>IQ
somehow you retards manage to bring up IQ when no one is talking about it.

>>12231454
Linear algebra, proof based calculus up to multivariable and very elementary real and complex analysis, simple prob+stats with some measure-theoretic background, but probably laughable compared to a real math grad course (the school provides the very same course for physicists though btw), logic up to incompleteness, some combinatorics, some graph theory (now taking a special graph theory course that's not mandatory), convex optimization, convex geometry, 'abstract algebra', which is a watered down version of what math undergrads take, where the teacher puts emphasis on number theory and cryptography applications because he apparently believes CS people don't care about algebra on its own.

>>12231603
>'abstract algebra', which is a watered down version of what math undergrads take
That's weird, at my school we took the same abstract algebra course as the math undergrads. That being said, it was a heavily encouraged elective and not a requirement, though having double majored, it was for me. Same for probability, except we had the choice between a watered down probability with applications and big boy probability in the math department. It wasn't discrete vs. non discrete, since that isn't the right view for when it comes to solving probability questions, so much as it was the former was "if you just want your degree requirements" and the latter was "if you actually wanted to learn probability to any capacity it's used in math and CS"
>cryptographic applications
well cryptography has a lot of really neat stuff from algebraic number theory, namely since lattice crypto became so big (and how are you going to reason on lattices without number fields and the fundamental parallelogram?). Unironically I think it's the prototypical place where you see number theory and ring theory in their pure forms studying. practical problems: sphere packing, factoring algorithms, and ring learning with errors.

My experience with CS majors, having done both math and CS, is that lots of them are bad but there are enough good ones that it doesn't really matter. They might be in much lower proportion, but then again it's fine to have only like 40ish great students per the hundreds.

>>12231632
What did you focus on in CS?

>>12231667
I focused on theoretical CS, and I still take an interest in the parts of it that use non discrete math. On the way, I also picked up a massive appreciation / professional interest in graphics and visualization (which touches a lot of EE stuff) and computational physics.

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>>12231887
At the end of the day, mechanical engineers are the upper class citizens of STEM.
>Learn object oriented programming on YouTube.
>Learn electronics with arduino and raspberry pi tutorials
>Build circuits as a hobby
>Possess a strong foundation in real/classical engineering topics (fluid mechanics, thermodynamics, mechanics, etc.) which can easily be extended to:
>Electives in advanced physics (quantum, stat mech, etc.) for fun
We can specialize in anything, and our rigorous and strong foundation ultimately leaves us in a better place.
Just look at the MechE research topics at advanced institutions, you'll see that it's basically applied physics/math. These badasses understand the theory AND the application better than anyone.

>>12231922
Literally everything you said is already required of EE's
In short EE's blow Mechanicaltards out of the water.

>>12231942
EEs suck at fluids, thermo, heat transfer, and mechanics. All insanely important and relevant topics which are central to most problems today.

>>12231962
Mech E's suck at Electromagnetism and Quantum physics so it evens out.

>>12231984
Ooooo two easy topics lol. If you understand fluids, you can understand E&M and vice versa. Also QM is a natural and simple extension of hamiltonian mechanics so that's also easy, especially after learning some basic E&M.

>>12231887
>I focused on theoretical CS
what were your theses about?