/sci/ - Science & Math

You don't. Welcome to hell.

>>12189568
why would you want to

Become jewish.

Our lives may be deterministic, but the human brain is incapable of fully comprehending this. So just continue living as if you had free will.

>>12189568
You have to be determined.

>>12189568
Try predicting pseudorandom number generator of your own computer, even there you'll be errorous so shut the fuck up about how determinism is ruining your life.

>>12189568
Believe in the Free Will Theorem.
Or quantum particles.

>>12189568
Better than absolute stochastic uncertainty.

>>12189568
Realize that it was pre determined that you would fall into determinism.

"I answer that, Man has free-will: otherwise counsels, exhortations, commands, prohibitions, rewards, and punishments would be in vain."
-Aquinas

>>12189568

>>12189568
neither determinism nor lack of there of exist
the subject itself is the one that doesn't exist

thinking about determinism is a waste of tiem without knowing what is supposed to be determined. i think the best argument against determinism is the enormous amount of variables constantly crashing into each other and constantly changing the direction of progression. I personally believe there is an end goal in mind in reference to the development of the universe/life, but there isn't a distinct pre-determined path to it. Organized chaos leads to the end goal. Do what you can to change fate. Good luck.

>>12190476
also, RAPE MY CUNT FUCK CUNT FUCKING CUNT DRILLDO RAPECUNT DILDOZER FUCK

>>12190476
take for instance wanting to be strong. the path to becoming strong is pre-determined. you HAVE to eat right and lift heavy things. but you can eat any number of healthy things and lift heavy things in any number of ways. but if you want to specifically break the world bench press record, the pathways to that goal become smaller and smaller to the point where you HAVE to do x things or what the fuck ever. determinism is a thing for sure.

>>12190503
rape my drilldocunt

>>12189574
This. It has no impact on how you carry your daily life because you can not predict.

There is no difference between
>aiming for the best possible results pretending you have free action
and
>trying to prove that destiny had the best possible results stored for you, unlocked by your determined actions

Determinism is not an excuse for despair nor justification for lose of effort. It changes nothing.

>>12189900
Free will theorem says that if we have free will, so do particles in a certain way.

The free will theorem starts with an assumption of free will, it does not ‘prove’ free will.

>>12189568
Every morning I decide my breakfast based upon the results of a quantum experiment. This gives my day enough uncertainty.

>>12190522
Also, I’m certain that if determinism exists, then determinism must be wrong in certain accounts.

First off, if all information is just determined from the start, with no retro-causality, then determinism can be wrong in some accounts. The spin of particles cannot be determined in any way before they are measured unless with contextuality and non-locality, but if we have two particles that are far away from any other source of information, that would require FTL signaling while the particles are entangled to communicate, then determinism cannot be true.

If retro-causality is true, then determinism fails in some accounts. If we push a thing into a black hole, it becomes ‘Unobservable’, and hence, information cannot be sent back in time from this Unobservable.

So, in both these accounts, with regular causality and retro-causality, determinism is not true.

Even if the universe is deterministic, you as a human would still perceive it as ''random'' since you don't have the capacity to gather enough information.

>>12189568
PROTIP: You can't.

>>12190563
lolnice. /thread

Non-local hidden variable theories violate Relatively, as they say correlations between systems can ‘interact’ faster than light, since they are non-local; such FTL communication would be needed to bridge the unobserved hidden variables to the observed variables—meaning, that if FTL communication were not possible, these ‘hidden variables’ would be unobservables, unable to be observed due to pain of information being destroyed.

However, information is destroyed anyway with said FTL communication, as information would be sent back in time until the perceived variable could receive such information, which would make the perceived variables and hidden variables able to be formulated as a system with more than 1 causal pathway, which means that the system would be described by Shannon entropy, not Delta-S entropy.

This entropy would normally destroy the entire system is these causal pathways would continue to exist, violating Quantum unitarity; in order for information to be conserved, such causal pathways would have to be completely eradicated from existence—both spatially and temporally, meaning that such information never existed. This is a caveat in information conservation; if you can trick the universe, or in this case, a Quantum system, into never ‘remembering’ such information as existing, then it never did exist, ever. This is a dyadic system, where a non-markovian computation becomes a markovian computation. This is what observers do, they collapse any unnecessary causal pathways—superpositions—into one uniform causal pathway. This is the Copenhagen interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, something that is against the MWI, and any Non-Local Hidden Variable theory.

>>12190660
Relativity*

Typo.

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>>12189568
Be unpredictable, go wild.
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>>12189568
why do you want that?

>>12189568
considering that it's computationally infeasible to thoroughly determine the future, i'd say we've already escaped determinism

>>12189568
What is the thing trapped by determinism, what is it that wants to escape?

>>12189568
Lol have fun going crazy

Its like "The Game" (that you just lost). If this an issue that happens to stick in your mind, I pity you. I suggest not browsing this site and similar ones, you may eventually heal.

OP here I forgot to say I am also a tranny

>>12189568
No, that is like trying to break the laws of physics

>>12191272
HAHAHHAAHAHAH DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS

We might never know true nature of fundamental particles. Everything we think we know maybe all that we can know.