/sci/ - Science & Math

POP WHEN???

Where's my croissant

>>12152872
yesterday

>>12152876
HOP WEHN???

>>12152873

You got this fresh thread. It can be a croissant in your mind.

>>12152872

~8 hours ago.

>>12152879
soon...

>>12152882
It's fine, I guess i'll just be disappointed again, like always in my flipping life.

>>12152887
It's too real roy

>Old thread died
One interesting thing people don't often talk about with warp drive tech is that if we do develop the ability to set up regions of space that are highly warped basically at will, we can almost certainly build dark matter harvesting and storage devices. You see, if we set up a series of flat sheets of highly warped space-time, any dark matter particles passing through could be forced to accelerate and decelerate over and over so hard and so rapidly that they can actually radiate away almost all of their kinetic energy as gravitational waves. The resulting "ultra-cold" dark matter would then simply fall down the nearest gravitational well, which (again, assuming the tech is possible and we've managed to build it) could be a gravitational 'bottle' similar to a magnetic bottle, which would store the dark matter in a densified state for study and maybe even for actual use. Dark matter may be its own antiparticle, you see, which could potentially allow us to use ultra-cold dark matter reactors that simply smush down a cloud of the stuff until the probability of dark matter-dark matter collisions gets high enough that annihilation events begin to occur rapidly, and light is produced. This light can then be captured to generate heat or electricity, or simply reflected off in a focused beam for direct photon-thrust. If we can warp space time not only do we have a means of moving faster than light, it would also allow us to use the majority of matter in the universe as a 100% efficient annihilation fuel for powering our warp drives and for powering more conventional propulsion systems. Even if FTL is impossible, if we can warp space then dark-matter Bussard ramjet spacecraft could still be.

>>12152916
>if

>>12152926
Of course, I'm not saying it's possible, but hey it doesn't hurt to think about it

>>12152916
>>12152932
You're assuming whatever wacky physics we use to build warp drives doesn't disprove the existence of dark matter entirely.

>you wake up
>the year is 1958
>you are Werner Von Braun, and you have just dreamt a fantastic dream of the future of technology
>semiconductors, GPS satellites, and most interesting to you, a certain large rocket design built of stainless steel and using methalox propellant
>in your dream men landed on the Moon ~12 years from now, but the program was followed up by a successor launch vehicle that accomplished nothing if not to tarnish the reputation of space exploration as expensive and slow
>you do not know if your dream was a prophecy or a warning, but you know you must make the right decisions to make sure humanity can progress into space rather than getting bogged down and wasting half a century
What do you do, anons?

>>12152953
I grow an appreciation for the scientific literature of the day, and try to replicate and utilize modern advancement.

>>12152862
So does anyone here have any plans to work in the space industry? Any future astronauts? Don't tell me you all plan on shitposting here until you die

>>12152953
I do what any good Cold Warrior does and claim the Soviets are already halfway to accomplishing everything I want to do so will Uncle Sam please give me the resources to finish first. Convince the entire leadership of NASA to lie through their teeth to Congress about nuclear rockets being a vital component of national security, and build first stage four engine reuse into the S-IVB from day one so that NASA already has reusable tech on hand when Congress starts getting into cost cutting mode.

>>12152968
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_moment

I would like to go space before I die if at all possible.

I’m curious as to how gyroscopes work in zero gravity, does anyone want to discuss this?

>>12152968
I have some bad news...

>>12152953
i tell jack kennedy to put on his bubble in dallas and then in gratitude he gives me everything i want forever

>>12152968
I've been working to get into the space policy field, with engineering or military as a fallback. Met with a guy in the field and it seems like a great environment.

Why is Eric Berger playing a BO apologist? Does he think it's funny to pretend like BO is cool?
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1308783713514336258?s=19

>>12152953
Was Starship actually possible with 60s tech? I can't imagine primitive flight computers would enjoy the belly flop.

http://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Videos/2016/03/Gyroscopes_in_space

>>12152999
Raptors and unmanned propulsive landings in 1g were not possible with 60s tech. We don't even know if the belly flop is possible with 2020s tech.

>>12152968
I want to work in the field and have been working towards it, but my country has minimal space presence (leaf). Current plan is:
>get experience with defence & aerospace contractors <-- I am here
>get engineering license
>get job at satellite company
>hope space boon happens and some more canadian companies doing things in space start existing and I can transfer over with my skills and experience
>otherwise maybe try to work for CSA? pretty dead though
>MDA might also be an option if they get more rover / arm contracts

>>12153005
https://phy.princeton.edu/events/next-generation-atomic-clocks-g-edward-marti-jila

Shut up brainlet

Lol

>>12152991
Because he's Team Space™

>>12153010
Yeah I think I threw up a bit in my mouth

>>12152999
No. That's why everyone's fully reusable TSTO proposals at the time were either air launch or sex dolphins. You needed a human pilot and a runway. These were all better than the Shuttle we got at being reusable, cheap spacecraft, but the Air Force fucked everything up with their gay, retarded requirements.

>>12152968
My employer already has a space sector so I might transfer over there. If that doesn't work out I'm either going to write and publish books about space or start a business doing space things.

>>12152937
Who cares? If wacky physics disproves dark matter then it's not like we won't still have the wacky physics.

Now that I'm thinking about it, wouldn't warp drive tech also allow you to pretty easily generate fusion conditions? I'm talking about having a region of warped space maybe about yay big that is extreme enough that just by filling that chamber with hydrogen gas the protons get smashed together and start fusing.

Maybe warp drive tech is what we need to unlock actual honest-to-god torch drives, rocket engines that use kilograms of deuterium fuel per second with exhaust velocities measured in thousands of kilometers per second

Today is Space's birthday, say something nice!

>>12153015
bellcomm had a couple of memos from around 1970 pointing out that ballistic TSTOs were a more appealing option than either ballistic SSTOs (e.g. SERV) or winged TSTOs but apparently nobody else followed the logic

>>12153021
What kind of gay post is this?

>>12152975
Gyroscopes work because angular momentum wants to keep a fixed axis of rotation unless it is perturbed. Gyroscopes actually work better in zero G because there's fewer perturbing forces.

>>12153023
What kind of an asshole is this?

>>12153015
>meanwhile at chrysler

>>12153019
Honestly it's probably be easier to use warp tech to make a gravitationally shielded region for a nuclear salt water rocket torch drive than to mess with high thrust fusion. Then your ship looks like:
>warp drive for FTL
>NSWR for sublight (with the grav shielding this is basically no more complex than a chemical rocket)
>chemical maneuvering thrusters for docking
>fusion generator for electric power

>>12153022
Bell Labs was decades ahead of pretty much everyone else in computing in 1970. That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

>>12153028
The best kind ;)

>>12153026
You’re crazy man!

>>12153029
>anon, does this stage make my ass look fat?
How would you respond, /sfg/?

>>12152999
>Was Starship possible with 60's tech?
No, but the bottleneck was computers only. The beauty of Starship is that it still works even if you use less efficient and less powerful engines, because it's just a TSTO. The problem is that no pilot at the time, human or machine, could successfully land a booster propulsively. This problem was solved by the 90's (DC-X).
That being said, some things were certainly possible back in the day, such as fuel rich staged combustion (and probably oxygen rich too if the Americans just bit the bullet and stopped being doomers about the metallurgy), densified methalox propellants, big dumb reusable upper stages, etc.
Starship is the optimal reusable rocket resign, but there are less optimal but more attainable options for 60's and 70's tech. The BIG takeaway of Starship's whole deal is to use stainless steel; Easy to weld, easy to prototype, get your manufacturing process down, don't give a fuck about eggheads who want you to change to aluminum, use more durable TPS and less of it, don't worry about your air frame fatiguing like aluminum alloys do, etc etc.

>>12153071
no baby you look reusable, i mean beautyful

>>12153005
>We don't even know if the belly flop is possible with 2020s tech.
Fucking lol. The bellyflop does not involve any extreme forces or anything unexpected, not even fuel sloshing because they're gonna be running off of the header tanks at that point. The bellyflop is literally a matter of engine start and gimbal reliability and of timing. That's all.

>>12153035
found one of them https://youdieifyou.work/files/xeynwbmqjnc.pdf

pic is their recommended STS concept - VTOVL TSTO with a lifting body crew vehicle

>>12152982
>then in gratitude he gives me everything i want forever


>weird vagrant claiming to be a time traveler says president is gonna be assesinated
>you get flagged as a terrorist and get sent to a black ops site to get jumper cables attached to your balls till they fall down
>kenedy uses the bubble just to be safe.
>assasin obviously stands down when he sees the bubble
>nothing happens
>everyone thinks you were just a crazy retard and quickly forgets you
>get sent to a mental institution were you receive a lobotomy and proper care for your burned of balls

Tragedy Communication,
With Hollywood hindsight of movies like The Martian, Interstellar, Pandorrum and For all Mankind, (etc...),
would you think it'd be a reasonable move to let Astronauts in the making, make a choice before their mission, on how potential tragic, but non mission critical events should be communicated to them, if at all?

Would you go even further and make that known doctrine because it would take even the healthiest minds of their work?

Or would you just decide for them?

All considering that mission control is the only funnel for communication, be it the time you set it in, or the mission.

Could be anything, from the house burning down, over a relative dying, to the world going under.
Pic semirelated but we all know it so it was appropriate.

>>12153092
>but the bottleneck was computers only.
how about right when the space shuttle started provided they dedicated all of that money to computer development first

>>12153101
the engine flop is a complex maneuver and the will perform it because there are just too many variables to know how it works. As a person who actually did worthy things in my life i know that professionals arent magic and that we have nowhere near enough predicting power to speak with the confidence that you, a sad person who tries to forget he never has sex by daydreaming about being a rocket engineer, expresses

So tomorrow, they'll move the SN7.1 back. Then this coming 27-28-29, is when we get SN8 static fire test.

>>12153112
edit all considering that Astronauts in the past and for the foreseeable future were healthy minded and that movie astronauts differ from that every now and then.

>>12153005
Huh?? just fly it manually lol

>>12153092
>The problem is that no pilot at the time, human or machine, could successfully land a booster propulsively.

>>12152968
I expect to go to space when its as cheap as trip to Antarctica.

>>12153008
Just get mutt citizenship bro.

>>12152969
aren't the flaps too angular for optimal aerodynamics? any chance the final design will be more streamlined?

>>12153005
it's just basic control theory bro

The BBC were discussing Artemis last night, has there been some 'development'?

>>12153205
I don't know shit about shit but I think the point is to create drag not reduce it

>>12153035
>Honestly it's probably be easier to use warp tech to make a gravitationally shielded region for a nuclear salt water rocket torch drive than to mess with high thrust fusion.
What makes you say that? If we can make gravitational shields like you suggest then by extension setting up fusion conditions should be trivial, and fusion fuels are much more abundant than fission fuels in space in general. Being able to catch and reflect neutrons from fission is roughly equivalent to being able to perfectly confine plasma at 100 billion degrees, which should make even heavy element fusion with 3 body interactions like 3He-4 to C-12 easy enough. That being said, we really wouldn't even need to bother worrying about aneutronic fuel cycles anymore given that tech, because a perfect neutron reflector lets you capture and convert as much of the energy of a neutron-bearing fusion plasma into thrust as an aneutronic one, with zero issues with neutron interactions and activation of materials.

Thinking further, the ability to warp spacetime could let us do some REALLY crazy stuff, like crush cheap materials into neutron degenerate matter that we could store in warp bubble tanks and later siphon off a small mass flow and allow it to escape and detonate back into free neutrons (which we could collimate into a beam for efficient propulsion using more warped space). The result would look like a metallic hydrogen rocket except WAY more efficient, because the "get me the fuck outta here" force is much stronger between the neutrons in neutronium than it is between the hydrogen atoms in metallic hydrogen. We'd even get an extra energy kick from the significant fraction of neutrons that would be decaying back into protons and electrons, as well. Bonus.

>>12153205
yes, top tier aerospace designers with decades of training and experience screwed up, call spacex collect your million dollar prize

>>12153112
NASA already does this. Check that middle column to see what one of the forms looks like.

>>12153225
the point is to create drag in the direction perpendicular to the fins surface, in the direction paralalel to it it has to create at least as possible, this would be more efficient if it were curved its not because its a prototype so theres no need to make it mroe streamlined, or maybe its easier to manufacture it like thit and the benefits are dismissable but in aerospace thats unlikely

>>12153114
If the earlier Shuttle designs were chosen they would have worked fine. Two spaceplanes mounted belly to belly, one acting as a rocket powered carrier and the other acting as the 'upper stage'/orbiter, both of them with pilots inside. Just make a few modifications, such as make the things out of steel and use staged combustion engines with dense propellants instead of more efficient but way less dense hydrolox, and it'd be successful.

>>12153120
It's not as complex as what a normal airliner does to land at any runway on Earth, both in terms of the variables to consider and in terms of the number of moving parts.

>>12153228
nigger i never claimed i was right and they were wrong, it was a genuine question, and sometimes during prototyping you can get away with things because it's cheaper/faster

>>12153138
Well, there was only one of him, but any practical design would need two stages.

>>12153205
Cost does not outweigh the benefit. Swooped/curved wings saves a percent or two in terms of dynamic pressure during liftoff, but costs probably 150% as much if not more. Not worth the effort. Engineers need to stop being hyper-autistic about muh performance when it directly runs up against cost.

>>12153220
It's not basic, that's a non-convex optimization based type of control.

>>12153241
winged booster would have had all the same developmental problems as every other attempt at a hypersonic's had

>>12153241
>spaceplanes having anal sex

yeah im sure youd like that you fucking degenerate, luckily the more christian shuttle prevailed

>>12153251

>>12153238


>>12153261
>Cost does not outweigh the benefit.
not for the prototype, a 2% increase in the finished model is fantastically huge, and it shows that youre used to living off someone elses work that you dont apreciate efficiency

>>12153261
keep in mind that starships are supposed to be highly reusable, with the stated goal of up to 1000 flights, in which case that 1-2% could add up to a lot

>>12153138
I don't understand this expendable pilot meme.

>>12152968
i fucked up school so they'll probably never let me

>>12152968
I'm currently building a small real estate empire, which I'll use to fund some local service industry businesses, which I'll use to fund some cislunar entrepreneurial ventures, which I'll use to establish a lunar mining corporation, which in turn will eventually control many of the non-planet celestial bodies in this solar system.

>>12153261
>>12153288
>it shows that youre used to living off someone elses work that you dont apreciate efficiency

this seems on spot. Tell me is it your mom, the goverment or both?

>>12153288
Efficiency for the sake of efficiency is how you end up with SLS bro lmao, who cares if a small percent of performance is lost at take off, if the rocket is reusable and cheaper than every other rocket by an order of magnitude, easier to manufacture, and easier to repair and maintain

>>12153288
>>12153322
i'm not even him but it sounds like you guys are projecting hard, focus on the science faggots

>>12153221
NASA officially published a 70 page PDF explaining the program, mostly stuff we already know but now packaged in one place for media consumption

>>12153317
Elon musk has said multiple times he doesn't give a shit about how you did in school as long as you're capable. Dont give up anon

>>12153339
I suspected as much but thanks for confirming.

>>12153349
Elon doesnt give a crap about school. He gives a crap about achievements. Someone with string of achievement as highschool dropout > MBA degree with no achievement.

>>12153349
I appreciate Elon's view on education and whatnot. But he's said before that he doesn't care about someone having a degree or whatever when hiring someone, but how does one go about getting the experience required to get a job at a place like spacex or neuralink without college?

>>12152968
Been trying to get into the industry as an engineer, but the lack of experience is hurting me there.

>>12153355
Independent projects

>>12153270
So reserve propellant for a retrograde burn after separation, use steel construction to minimize TPS requirements, and build bigger rather than chase mass reductions.

>>12153331
>i'm not even him
sure
>>12153331
>focus on the science faggots
i dont like any kind of faggot but you do you

0g infantry battles in saturns rings when?

>>12153326
>Efficiency for the sake of efficiency is how you end up with SLS
lol what shitty state are you from with such a low average iq

>>12153288
>not for the prototype, a 2% increase in the finished model is fantastically huge
Note that I don't mean a 2% increase in payload performance. I'm talking about going from one kilonewton of drag force on ascent to 980 newtons of drag force on ascent. This translates to such a small payload increase that it's negligible, hence not worth the effort.

>>12153355
Nepotism, unironically

>>12153414
nigga they have 5g in my country and its just 2020, by the time they get to saturn its gonna be around 50 g

>>12153405
He's not me, I dunno what to tell you dude
Also see >>12153421 for clarification of what I meant by ~2%.

>>12153417
Shuttle had the most efficient first stage sustainer engines ever, and its external fuel tank was the most mass efficient hydrolox tank ever built. It was also a shitty launch vehicle because efficiency alone does not equal effectiveness.

>>12153288
if the rocket is 2% more efficient but 150% more expensive, it's a fucking downgrade, idiot
cost is a parameter to optimize too

what's better, a 100% efficient rocket you can mass-produce and fly daily, or a 102% efficient rocket you can only launch weekly because of the increased cost and maintenance because your autist OCD brain really needed that extra 2%?

why not just go all the way and build the perfect rocket for exactly the task you want it to do and nothing else, and try not to go bankrupt before you even finish your first prototype, good luck turning humanity into a space faring civilization with a thriving space transportation industry with that! it's objectively worse than starship because you're ignoring some parameters in favor of others because "we'll just assume we have infinite funds"

might as well assume we live on a frictionless surface in a vacuum then, if you want to make that assumption?

>>12153444
Checked and correct. "Most efficient hydrolox sustainer engines and tank" is a bit like winning a gold medal in the Special Olympics of rocketry.

how pathetic is zuckerberg that he has $90 billion and no private military or space program?

>>12153444
>>12153448

>efficient
you keep using that word, im not sure you know what it mea... you know what actually, im not sure your mother spent a day of her pregnancy not smoking crack

efficiency also includes cost, fuel efficiency, material efficiency, time efficiency, there are different kinds. You cant just nit pick at the tiny aspect of a complex process that you managed to understand after years of study and pretend youre sitting at the big boys table

if the rocket has 2% more payload and 150% more cost, its LESS ECONOMICALLY EFFICIENT YOU FUCKING RETARDS WHO WILL NEVER EVER DO ANYTHING OF VALUE WITH THEIR LIVES

>>12152862
>after two weeks of nofap

>>12153450
>"Most efficient hydrolox sustainer engines and tank"
MONEY EFFICIENCY?= ALSO AN EFFICIENCY
GOAT FUCKER

>>12153417
>Implying SLS, and the space shuttle it's based on weren't built to maximize efficiency, ISL
t. aerojet rocketdyne shill
SLS is build with space age weight saving materials, ultra efficient hydrolox engines, tanks built to maximize hydrolox storage efficiency per ton, and using hydrolox on the first stage means they preferred ISP, while ignoring the 500 million to 2 billion dollar per launch price tag lmao
It's not about efficiency per KG, it's about dollar per KG, which doesn't translate to using ultra expensive engines and materials, and complex hard to manufacture designed just to save a fraction of a percent of efficiency in aerodynamic load

>>12153467
>>12153459
>>12153463
retards arguing about semantics

hey fags


efficient

>I'm building a rocket system that will enable human colonisation of mars

Awesome, good stuff Elon

>I'm also working on a brain chip so that-

No thanks, just build the rockets please.

>>12153459
not part of this argument but you're being a pedantic douche so i'll jump in to point out that points with extremely high $/kg can still be on the economic efficiency frontier as long as they're the cheapest way to put that specific amount of payload into orbit

t. abd econ

>>12152968
I would work in the space industry after I get out of college in a couple years, but my hopes are low given my high grades but no connections/experience

>>12153485
Based Blue Origin employee

>>12153485
That space is basically time arbitrage against SpaceX or one of their customers figuring out how to build a hydrolox kickstage for Starship.

>>12152916
If we can warp spacetime then we could literally make a spaceship bigger on the inside than it’s exterior dimensions would indicate, which is badass.

>>12153500
inb4 some giant faggot builds one shaped like a phone booth

>>12153035
In Star Wars, the sublight thrusters are almost always “ion engines” powered by a fusion reactor.

>>12153477
>No thanks, just build the rockets please.

nig the future comes in packs, its like asking for xx century ONLY with airplanes, no cars, no computers, no plastics.

>>12153477
>not wanting to cover your brain in neuralinks and abandon your body, escaping to an incorporeal existence in the internet

>>12153121
Reading more, I think tomorrow is when they'll roll out SN8. They might move the SN7.1 without road closing.

>>12153515
Technology is such a trap. It has ruined our lives and our planet.

>>12153515
>>12153477
Brain interfaces are coming whether we like it or not. If anyone is going to pioneer the field I'd rather it be Elon rather than Gates and co.

>>12153518
>Literally being owned by a corporation and having no privacy or freedom or free will

Kys bugman.

>>12153522
>Brain interfaces are coming whether we like it or not

Make brain interfaces illegal and kill anyone who researches them. That 1984 technology is literally the worst thing to ever happen in human history if it becomes real.

>>12153518
idk man, sounds spooky

bros I want AI symbiosis NOW

>>12153522
brain chips have such an ungodly capacity to turn life into an unending nightmare beyond imagination that any good they could do is just dwarfed by comparison
they just aren't useful enough to hang our ass out the window that fucking hard

>>12153518
>your consciousness gets downloaded onto some glowniggers private server and they proceed to torture you infinitely

Yeah, no thanks.

>>12153536
>I want to be a soulless inhuman slave

>>12153536
Okay lol, spooling up AI symbiosis now, boss!

>>12153459
>literally talking about rocket performance in terms of mass fraction and specific impulse not being an indicator of how effective that vehicle will be at actually putting payload into orbit
>this retard thinks we're saying it doesn't matter how much money you spend getting to orbit
pay attention in your grade 10 english class you fucking mong

>>12153540
mind uploading is copy and paste, not cut and paste
the real you would still be fine, only a copy of you gets sent to a pain realm hell itself wishes it could be

>>12153355
If you got the skills DM him directly on twitter and send your resume.

>>12153540
Why the hell would I let my consciousness be localized to the point that they could trap me like that? Lrn2cyberghost, fag.

>>12153551
>mind uploading is copy and paste, not cut and paste

It’s not real and is almost certainly impossible don’t pretend to know how it’d actually work you might as well argue about “portals”

>>12153547
based

>>12153551
Nigga your mind is constantly being uploaded into a flesh computer. Your brain isn't static. Parts of your mind are being shed like snakeskin on a physical sense.
No different with silicon

>>12153541
>>12153530
>>12153523
Why are you so convinced that a brain interface would invariably result in slavery? If anything, it would put you in a better position than a non-augmented person to resist corporate influence.

>>12153500
>we could literally make a spaceship bigger on the inside than it’s exterior dimensions would indicate
Fuel tanks that consist of a one kilogram steel sphere with an internal volume of a million cubic meters stuffed with ~70,000 tons of liquid deuterium fusion fuel when? Imagine the mass fractions, imagine the hoop stresses

>>12153505
I guess burning fusion plasma is technically made of ions, I dunno

>>12153522
>I'd rather it be Elon rather than Gates and co.
Based take, didn't Gates invest heavily into machinery in africa that turns poopoo and peepee into drinking water and food? It's comically evil, just invest in desalination plants dumbass

were there really people who thought landing boosters was impossible? are there any arguments/examples these chuckles gave as to why?

pressure testing comes after cryo testing? or would SN8 jump straight into engine testing?

>>12153567
It would give you options on raw survival. Shit I got shot Better upload. No one really dies. Supply versus demand on time changes. Instead of this many years you have this many thousand atleast. You cant kill the other guy and you could live forever. Time to kill aliens

>>12153567
People are scared of what they don't understand, and to be honest no one understands exactly what the human condition will be like once we have stuff like brainchips and cyborgs n sheit.

>>12153581
Engine testing. They've already done the cryo/pressure test for same new metal with SN7.1 last night(early this morning)

>>12153579
No and yes. Everyone knew it was possible. Ula did not want to do it to keep their bullshit up.
Elon and some engineers bet on it. The shuttle was supposed to be fast reuse but once again lobby groups kept it slow

>>12153567
Most resistance to brain interfaces is philosophically rooted in Christianity. Anything external to your brain case directly touching your conscious mind either means you stop being human or that souls don't exist.

>>12153567
>Be Joe Blow living in 2048
>Can’t get a better paying job without getting a horrifying brain implant shoved in your skull by a sinister megacorporation
>Get implant, now in debt to megacorporation
>They read your thoughts and subtly alter them

Yeah I’m going full Unabomber if and when that creepy shit becomes real.

>>12153581
>>12153586
I don't think they would skip it, after all they didn't skip steps with SN6. Less tests? Yes. Skipping them? Don't think so.
Anyway we'll see.

>>12152953
Sea Dragon

Make the shuttle less shit use the lockheed tsto rocket planes concept.

Orbital fuel depot

Hydrolox production on the moon to fill orbital depot.

Start working on the starship.

Shoot Lee Harvey Oswald in the book depository.

Convince Eisenhower to break bread with ho chi minh. Support reunification under Vietnam state free of foreign influences and friendly to the USA. Have him do the the same in cuba.

>>12153567
in order for a brain chip to have a fucking purpose, it has to have some kind of software and/or computer connection capacity to give it that purpose
if it doesn't, what the fuck would it even do

because of that, people are rightfully concerned that the chip will have the same kind of vulnerabilities as regular computers and software does, either by criminals, or our ever more power drunk governments
just about every country has thought police laws at this point, why the fuck would you give them a front row seat to fuck you in the ass when ever they damn well please

>>12153565
but how do i feel there's a "continuity" to my consciousness then? i keep being me, you keep being you, despite the material being replaced. isn't this proof that souls exists?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

>>12153596
>Why don’t you want the government/corporations to have direct access to your brain, Anon?

I left a package for you on your porch. Go open it.

>>12153567
because it CAN, and it's naive to assume it will only be used for benevolent purposes

>>12153613
I'm capable of running a proper network firewall, self-hosting server programs if I need an alternative to corporate SaaS, and I use my fileserver as effectively a brain extension anyways.

>>12152968
I'm a medfag. Space is just a cool hobby for me

>>12153584
People are scared of a technology that will be used to remove human privacy, free will, and even humanity itself. I’ll blow it up.

>>12153596
>Most resistance to brain interfaces is philosophically rooted in Christianity

Fuck off fedora tipping retard there are plenty of secular reasons to not want that junk in your brain.

>>12153620
Your hardware is backdoored imbecile

>>12153598
They would be okay if it was limited to few people like pacemakers instead of necessity like Musk wants.

>>12153598
This is why you get in on the ground floor and get the interface early before the megacorps paywall Demigod Mode
>>12153605
This is why- before you ever connect yourself to the internet- you run your brain through a computer security bootcamp using publicly available educational resources. Then you can let the subconscious maintain firewalls and fend off intrusion. The subconscious parts of the brain are horrifyingly powerful in terms of processing and pattern recognition.

>>12153549
efficiency in the literal way that literally gets used by literal in real life rocket sciencetist can mean economical efficiency YOU RETARDED SON OF AN IDIOT HOW CAN YOU EVEN DEAR TO ANSWER

>>12153551
only human brains are concious, nothing else is, a mind uploaded would act undistinguishable frrom a human but no one would be experiencing it.

conciousness will die out and will be replaced by p zombies

>>12153642
anon, i

sn7.1 hit 4 bar before popping AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>12153638
A cognitive enhancement like a device that can store sensory information perfectly for later recall and analysis sounds useful, but I don’t want anything that can connect to anything else whatsoever.
I’d rather be genemodded.

>>12153644
We have no idea how consciousness works so it’s a bad idea to start making assumptions about it, like expecting a fucking computer program to literally be sentient.

>>12153649
Musky Musk just wants cyberpunk to be real and fry people heads from inside.

>>12153648
Source for that?

>>12153648
[citation needed]

>>12153598
Sure, and the only kind of computer you can have today is a macbook with none of the privacy settings activated, right? There will be ways to do brain interfaces that are secure and empowering. The people who are too lazy to do it right and decide to just get the Walmart Neural Lace deserve to get adware in their dreams.

>>12153648
Yeah, what I was thinking, exactly.

>>12153648
My bike tires confirmed for Mars space ships.

>>12153664
A grain silo has never looked so attractive

>>12153648
can you remind me what the target is pls

>>12153610
There's no soul/core in ship of theseus. There's no core to anything. No the chair you're sitting on. Not the car you drive. Not the body you believe to have soul. Not planets, not atoms. There are no core identity/soul to anything. The continuity is just an illusion based upon the fact that your senses are working right now.

>>12153664
>those winglet gaps
>angular, inefficient wings
>heavy inefficient metal, steel
>fuel with poor ISP, methalox
>experimental high risk engines
>no LES
>dangerous landing procedure
How is this supposed to get us to the moon? This inefficient piece of shit is wasting so much potential energy by using shitty materials and fuels

>>12153661
>implying you will be able to run free open source software on megacorps hardware

No

>>12153674
Prove it

>>12153679

>>12153675
Production cost > efficiency

>>12153675
I'll tell you how

>>12153674
ok cool so how do i find meaning in life knowing that and not sudoku myself right now then

desu i think there must be some higher order to all this, maybe there's only one universal consciousness and we're all connected, that's what i felt when i did mushrooms

>>12153682
Childs mentality

>>12153675
1/10 I replied

>>12153664
Flap test

>>12153681
Prove it

>>12153684
Dumb retard. You're free to kill yourself right now.

>>12153685
you are a child metally retsrd

>>12153675
The future is continuing to rely on SRBs with a Isp of 242 lugging a monstrous anemic tank of hydromeme wheezing into orbit for an 8 minute liftoff?
I know you're shitposting but I could hate you to death nonetheless.

>>12153687
aaaaaaaaaaggggghhhh yes

>>12153685
No, it's the mentality required for scalability.

>>12153684
do a flip retardando . les giblets departides los huegos mi negros

>>12153675
There's effectively no skin off of your ass if it doesn't work.

>>12153675
Shush old space. Go back to bed. The very efficient Delta still isn‘t ready to retry yet.

>Bridenstine on the second phase of Human Landing System contract decision in February, 2021: "We might select two, we might even keep three in the game. It depends on what the companies come back with."
>Pressed by Sen. Moran on possibly down-selecting to just one provider, Bridenstine gives an impassioned plea for the value of competition. "I worry about going down to one. When you eliminate the competition you end up with programs that inevitably get dragged out."
we're so close lads, they better not fuck this up

>>12153685
>god tieringly using money as a legit master genius measure way of actually using 100% of society to work for your goals at the best rate of effort possible
>childs mentality

chooose chosey choose choose choose (cho cho chooo hehe rtain joke)( bnut yeah chooose chosey shcoser choserer cause only ones rigth and the right is mine and thereyaint no more fo than them boy billy boi bob

>>12153689
nice philosophy you've got going on there m8

>>12153687
the first flap? mfw

>>12153664
Articulated wings looks like first thing to break on reentry.

>>12153678
nobody has ever run tails on a mac, that's crazy talk

>>12153704
based

>>12153696
>cant even handle his phone autocorrect
>has a reason to speak spanish
yeah no, youre objectively inferior, no matter how hard you effort youre capped below me, and no matter how much i drop the ball (which i intenseley dont) im baselined way waaay above you.

like my literal worst possible is infinitely times billionst o the power of the amount of atoms in the universe times twenty trillion better than your absolute best

Daily reminder that atheistic materialism is not a healthy worldview nor even based in evidence.

>>12153681
The arrangement is still there if you consider the universe as a static 4D object

>>12153705
die die die die die die DIE FIE DIE DIE

>>12153685
>taking money into account as your first variable is a childs mentality
wanna know how i can tell youre a socialist college student who lives off his parents?

>>12153664
The flaps look really fragile desu. Don't know how it would survive reentry.

>>12153712
nope, i'm based and you're not. you're cringe ;)

>>12153709
Non authorised software will be refused service and connections exactly like Tesla works. Also the warranty will be void so hopefully nothing goes wrong with it :^)

>>12153713
atheistic nihilism combined with the manifest destiny of humanity is based though

there is no god but that which we construct, go forth and conquer the stars

>>12153714
So you're saying the soul of the house still lives in some dimension hiding from plain sight?

>>12153720
>nope, i'm based and you're not. you're cringe ;)
nopey the no to the no no noner, i am the (yes i am) the one and (im telilng you am ) LOL I COULD DRESS IN A DIAPER AND SJUT GO ON RIGHT ON TO THE WIORLD WIDE NTNEWS AND WOULDNT BNE 0.0000000000000000001% as cringe as YOU ARE
cringer cringy

hahaha
le wineer of le all " LE ME"""

le supper dupperier loser " LEY OU"
nuff said little boiiiss and now get on and out of my aound on out of my lawner

cokes on you i was only recending

THE MODS ARE ASLEEP!
Quick, post lazy spaceship names!
I'll start!

"rocketman"
Pointy !"
"Starman"
"Pointy 2"
"Pointy 2, the seconding"
"Galileo"
"Enterprise"
"Kevin"
"and Mars 1"

>>12153720
>;)
that winky face is cringier than his psycho word salad.

>>12153725
It is soulless and is killing our civilization.

>this thread

>>12153735
"starship" is actually a really shitty name for a spacecraft particularly one that will be as relevant at this one.

They give grandiloquent out of proportion names to shitty probes and rocket that cost trillions to produce to achieve some silly specific shit but cant come up with something grand for this one.

Its starship that should be named " ATLAS APOLLO ARTEMIS ZEUS GOD THUNDERCOCK"

>>12153737
there is no evidence of the existence of a soul

>>12153748
I think these threads are starting to get too popular, it's all gonna go to shit soon.

>>12153753
anyone remember the ksp general in vg, they ended up banning it, it was extremely shitposty

>>12153751
Qualia proves a soul exists, since qualia cannot be physical.

>>12153748
Neuralink brings out so much terrible shitposting it will probably get its own containment board within a week of release.

>>12153735
Diamond Dog, Stardust, Man who sold the World.

>>12153751
>there is no evidence of the existence of a soul
quality space flight discussion here

>>12153675
>>12153682
We're finally ditching the kraut mentality of old space. No more artisan crafted over engineered wunderwaffen space launch vehicles.

Now is the American time for space. Mass produced low cost good enough launch vehicles.

>>12153728
No, I'm saying that it's still there, but our perception is locked into a causal progression which appears to take us away from it.

>>12153735
Actually, now I'm curious. Can the Space Force reuse Navy names? What about names of ships that are still commissioned?
>USSF Constitution
>USSF United States
>USSF Congress
>USSF Constellarion
>USSF Chesapeake
>USSF President
>USSF Lexington
>USSF Saratoga
>USSF Midway
>USSF Leyte Gulf
>USSF Taiwan Strait

>>12153758
>it will probably get its own containment board within a week of release.
youre too optimistic, it will get out of hand before the next presentation

>>12153756
Qualia are information. Information has physical mass.

>>12153761
Elon is the second coming of Hemry Ford.

>>12153735
Untitled Space Craft

>>12153731
you remind me of an old friend

>>12153764
Constitution is still commissioned.

>>12153761
The first versions of the Falcon looked like something made in shop as well. They look a bit nicer now that they're mass produced and finalized.
Don't confused a prototype for the finished product.

>>12153767
>Qualia are information

Now you’re a panpsychist.

>>12153763
So what you're saying is there's an infinite configuration for these lego pieces trapped in a universe that we can't see because we can only see in casual progressive ways? If there's a house lego configuration hidden, then there must be a dog lego configuration, a gay nigger lego configuration, a tranny janny lego configuration, hidden there right?

>>12153772
Into the US Navy, not the US Space Force. That was my question, would it fuck with the Naval Register to have a Starship named Constitution?

>>12153735
Boomtube
Major Tom
[Greek mythology name]

guys. did you watch the pop yesterday? what was that all about!

>>12153780
I don't think so. Separate departments.

>>12153769
unlikely you know many muscled 5 language speaker with huge cocks and two degrees

>>12153777
Trips confirm a box of legos exists in a superposition of all possible configurations of which the bricks can be assembled

>>12153764
>Ussf von braun
>ussf Grissom
>ussf white
>ussf Chafee
And you get the idea

>>12153764
USSF Normandy
USSF Iwo Jima
USSF Okinawa

>>12153735
gaytown
coomtown
slaptown
slimetown
goombatown
slurptown

am I missing any?

>>12153777
>>12153788
Potential is a moot notion. What does and does not exist is a product of human agency applied to a limited supply of materials and time. The substance only matters with respect to the quantities and qualities available. After that, it is what people do with it that counts.

>>12153761
Remember this?

>>12153780
>>12153785

once spaceflight becomes common would all branches of it want their own space vehicles just like both the navy and army have their own flying craft at their disposal?

>>12153786
can my hens meet your cocks?

>>12153773
I know

The difference is like that between the Sherman and Tiger tanks.

The shittle and SLS are the tiger, and falcon and starship are shermans

>>12153792
USSF Inchon
USSF Hong Kong
USSF Hainan
USSF Shanghai
USSF Aleutian Islands
USSF Yellow Sea
USSF Shackleton Crater
>SPACE SHUTTLE DOOR GUNNER
>M2 BROWNING .50
>TUNISIA, KOREA, VIETNAM, IRAQ, KOREA, CHINA, LUNA, MARS

>>12153803
no because im not talking about shitty jokes that make you look pathetic im talkinga bout an actual irl big penis that makes girls want me and not you

>>12153783
too much popcorn in the thing, couldn't handle the explotins

>>12153802
No. The entire point of Space Force was to centralize it in one branch. I can actually see ICBMs getting moved over too. The only other branch with rockets would be the Navy's SLBMs and shipboard ASAT missiles.

>>12153802
When the Army and Air Force split the Army really wanted to keep it's own air support, but Congress (iirc, maybe the War Department) said no, only the Air Force is allowed fixed wing aircraft.

So the Army invested MASSIVELY into helicopters simply to spite the Air Force. And the Navy has it's own Air Force, the second largest in the world (after the USAF). Even the Marines have organic air. So I don't doubt all branches would try.

Is starship P2P ever going to work? If it does will it just be a space tourism thing? I don't think the speed will be its main draw.

Why do Starlink satellites cost so much?
I get that $300k is basically nothing for an internet satellite, but they have the benefit of mass production yet still cost more than most luxury cars, despite appearing to be a lot more simple and lightweight than one.

>>12153824
They're way more complicated than cars.

>>12153804
ehhhh this is a pretty shitty comparison, I get the whole "Tiger was superior but expensive and produced in limited numbers" angle, but Starship is actually more capable than SLS. Also, Tiger wasn't actually an awful use of resources. Germany was fuel limited, so fewer more powerful tanks wasn't necessarily a mistake.

>>12153824
Phased array antennas and space hardened electronics?

>>12153777
No again. The lego pieces will only ever be in a finite number of configurations throughout the history of the universe, but all those configurations are present simultaneously, like a chain of flaws in a crystal. The universe is static, but we perceive it as dynamic, linear, and causal, because we're embedded in it.

>>12153806
I need a big strong gay man to take me to the moon hehee, will you be my apollo 69?

>>12153763
Then a table must be a human who's protons, neutrons, and electrons just so happen to be arranged in a way that makes him not currently look like a human. And that applies to everything that exists in the universe. Jupiter is actually just 23,248,969,369,586,962,744,206,344 humans that don't look like humans right now.

>>12153824
Phased array antennas are expensive. All hardware that you have to build yourself that isn't made of commodity parts ends up being expensive.

>>12153748
it's either this or reddit

>>12153834
>I need a big strong gay man
of course you do

>>12153815
I suppose the question is, will it ever reach a point where you can buy an emergency ticket and be blasting off within an hour or two? Otherwise, it's just for fun really.

>>12153824
Where are you getting that cost figure?

>>12153824
$300K is split into CPU/Networking/Motherboard/HDD/SSD/Antennas/Batteries/Solar panels/heating cooling system/sensors/mechanical complexity.

Think of it as a large network server instead of a car in space. If you think of the specs, that's within the line of cost.

she's the one bros

>>12153847
That should be a thing as long as there's regular service, right? Just book a ticket on your Neuralink and show up at the Spaceport.

>>12153855
>>12153863
Is she Blasian?

>>12153835
Kind of, but many of those particles might never be part of a human arrangement. The pieces are unimportant when they are truly interchangeable, as is the case with everything below the molecular scale.

>>12153835
this is a fetish btw, there's porn of this

>>12153750
I think it's like the boring company, just really dry humor to break convention and name something that's supposed to be really serious like that. And if it on the way triggers some people (no offense to you), then that's just the cherry on top. As an Elon Shill, I think it's part of his personality and I take comfort in that because it's an indicator that unlike other 1%ers he's not a stone cold cyborg... or at least an advanced model.

>Liberty Angel
>Rubberduck
>Alpha Centauri
>Schmuggims McGee
>Titanic
>quartermillion metric tonns of kaboom
>USS YoureMom
>Elon III

>>12153005
Anon! Please, you mean unpersonned propulsive landings. We need to be concious of these things, anon

>>12153881
>>quartermillion metric tonns of kaboom
is actually pretty clever because it's 1000kilo, but also a 1/4 fraction so it pisses off both the metric- aaaand imperial-fags all at the same time... which in itself is pretty neat!

>>12153855
>not cristoforetti
bruh cringe

>>12153735
Orion

fucking christ trying to build skycranes in KSP that actually function and dont look like shit is a pain in the ass

>>12153905
confetti? post

>>12153881
>just really dry humor to break convention
well they have to change it eventually, cant have "le funny pr name" in history books

>>12153675
>How is this supposed to get us across the ocean? This inefficient piece of shit is wasting so much potential energy by using shitty materials and fuels

>>12153911
Imagine you could put filters on KSP, like black and white, noisy and so on or space art like 2001, how much better our junk would look in an instant.

>>12153912

>>12153926
but you can

t. reshade pro

>>12153735
Elon's Benis

>>12153754
will always have a softspot for /kspg/

I haven't played KSP in a while because my folder got nuked, should I spend the time to get RSS working or just meme around in the stock system? And what mods are considered essential these days? KER obviously, what else?

>>12153675
>>those winglet gaps
>>angular, inefficient wings
Their PURPOSE is to cause additional dynamic pressure (ie drag) in order to lower Starship's terminal velocity. They don't need to look good because looking good doesn't help them serve their purpose.
>heavy inefficient metal, steel
All things considered, steel gives you the lightest reusable space vehicle. Anything else may have a better strength to mass ratio, but requires much more thermal protection, and also those materials are shit for something that needs to fly a thousand times because they don't have a stress fatigue limit. Load a steel part to 50% of its breaking load a billion times and it's fine. Load an aluminum part to 50% of its breaking load 500,000 times and it snaps. Load an aluminum part to 5% of its breaking load 5 million times and it snaps. 0.5%, 50 million cycles to failure. etc.
>fuel with poor ISP, methalox
Propellant Isp multiplied by bulk density = actual propellant performance. Hydrolox performs about 10% better than methalox, with everything considered, on an expendable vehicle. On a reusable vehicle your tanks and TPS mass are even larger, making hydrolox actually perform WORSE. It's only really good for on-orbit tugs.
>experimental high risk engines
lmao
>no LES
No need
>dangerous landing procedure
VS toss it in the ocean lmao

>>12153918
Humor like this isn't that old and history will never be the same after the last 150 years. The density of events alone scales down importance of things which would have been mankind defining 300 years ago. Also there's no rule saying you can't name it spaceship and the only people who would seriously try to change it are so disconnected from the idea, that they are barely aware of it. I would agree if it was a NASA gig or it would be named benisgecko1337 but it's pretty tame and not a NASA gig. This is what privatization gets us.

>>12153911
It’s really easy, I find. Just use some decouplers and girders

>>12153935
Beat me to it.
I shit you not, I didn't read ours before submitting mine.

>>12153754
>banned from /vg/
Holy fuck.
/ksg/ has been eight straight years of sad people and waifuposting, and it's still up.

>>12153927
not my type i guess

>>12153685
>somehow, a rocket with 10% higher Isp and the same or less payload to orbit which costs between twenty-five and one-hundred times as much IS BETTER than the cheaper option
>This despite the fact that the cheaper option can also launch multiple times DAILY and with propellant transfer logistics can land payloads onto the Moon and Mars that are as heavy as the vehicle's maximum payload to low Earth orbit
Please explain your reasoning, and show your work

>>12153764
USSF James F. Bridenstine
Affectionately known as "Big Jim"

>>12153953
why are there sooooo many coomers in /vg/

>>12153960
you can post tasteful sexy pictures without jacking it constantly anon

>>12153703
I'm not excited for Artemis (cuz I think it'll inevitably become NASA's portal through which they just buy Starship Lunar flights) but I hope they keep two options anyway, even if it's the cute Dynetics girl and the national retard. My hope is the same as Jim's, at least SOME competition for SOMETHING should be happening. SpaceX has launch in the bag, but it'd be nice if literally any other entity had the ability to slap together some kind of deep space propulsion bus (kinda like electron's thing, but big obvy)

>>12153970
post big tity rockets

>>12153871
Most American Blacks are tri-racial. Native American, European, and African.

>>12153970
That’s not sexy. If it was, she’d have a big bush

>>12153970
Maybe it would be sexy if it was a big hunky guy with a 11pack

>>12153995
I want to head an expedition deep into Earth-chan's Amazon.

>>12153750
Honestly calling the rocket Zeus would be pretty cool
Or how about this; Starship gets renamed Helios, and the Booster gets renamed Chariot. Helios rides Chariot across the sky. Another option could be Hercules and Pegasus.

>>12154003
Surviving Mars has a Zeus rocket.

>>12154002
Based

>>12153835
Now you're thinking like a dyson swarm proponent

>>12152969
mk1 sn8 comparison photo when?

>>12153984
Do NOT post big tity rockets!

>>12153815
We had a discussion on this a few threads back. From a pure rocketry and cost perspective, it makes total sense assuming they hit their ~$2m per orbital launch goal (since that would put the single stage E2E launch at a small fraction of that cost).

The bigger problem is gonna be refueling infrastructure and the issue of not being able to land inland due to noise concerns. Once SpaceX starts churning out sea based launch facilities, the feasibly of the entire program becomes much more reasonable. Probably ten years before it becomes remotely commonplace, though.

One interesting thing I found out recently is that the C5 Galaxy, the biggest military cargo aircraft, only has a max capacity of about 120 tons. If Starship can get E2E single stage flights anywhere near the orbital 100 ton goal and can deliver that payload in 30-45 minutes anywhere on the planet, the military is gonna be drooling over the capability.

>>12153674
Yes, this is the correct philosophy of the whole thing
>>12153684
Anon the fact that chemical reactions somehow became life and slowly made a conscious meat computer over billions of years of natural selection is amazing. Even if you don’t believe in a “heaven” or whatever, you can still respect the fact that your brain senses inputs from the natural world so long as it exists. The meaning of life is to give life a meaning; find a profession and or a hobby you like and try to stimulate your brain with amazing sensory inputs. Sound, tastes, sights, etc. you get the point. Seppuku is, in my opinion, a waste of an RNG “gift” of your conscious being created in the first place
>>12153835
Now this is søience!

>>12153984
Milf.
>>12154089
How much would a ticket for an E2E Starship ride probably cost?

>>12153854
Don't forget ion propulsion system. They even switched to krypton over xenon to save money on fuel.

>>12154116
>How much would a ticket for an E2E Starship ride probably cost?
If a laumch into LEO end up costing 2 million bucks, then E2E launchs could easily be a fourth of that, so it would just be matter of how many people could fit in the rocket.

>>12154116
Assuming they are consistently at about $2m for orbital flight, the upper stage has something like 30-40% of the propellant. Assuming there's a fair amount of fixed cost in the ground operations, you'd be looking at something like $1m of cost on SpaceX's end for E2E. They claim they can cram 1000 passengers on board, so that'd be $1000 cost per passenger. Assuming a healthy profit (or non optimal results for the above factors) I'd assume somewhere in the $4-5k ticket price early on?

A business class flight overseas is usually $750-1000, no clue what first class currently is, but here were talking about turning a 12 hour flight into a 30 minute one. It'll probably be for business types early on, but as they increase volume I don't see why it couldn't wind up being directly cost competitive with traditional planes.

>>12154153
Competive for long range flights, that is. Puddle jumpers are always gonna have a place for flights that are less than an hour or two currently

>>12154140
>>12154153
Would there even be enough people who needed a very fast long-range method transportation though?

>>12154164
>March along, sing our song, with the Army of >the free
>Count the brave, count the true, who have >fought to victory
>We're the Army and proud of our name
>We're the Army and proudly proclaim
>First to fight for the right,
>And to build the Nation’s might,
>And The Army Goes Rolling Along
>Proud of all we have done,
>Fighting till the battle’s won,
>And the Army Goes Rolling Along.

Oh no no NO! What the fuck is this frankenstein of a suit bros?

>>12154172
venus surface suit

>>12154172
The diving suit looks more badass. Look at the fucking feet on this thing! Please tell me this isn’t the final design ugh

>>12154170
I mean passenger-wise.
Obviously the military would love it for many scenarios(barring some random political/bureaucratic bullshit).

>>12153718
nigger, those things look beefy

>>12154153
I don´t think they can ever have 1000 people on a single flight. Even a380 has less and it´s not economically sensible. But they should be able to fly many times a day and fuel cost may be as low as 200k per flight (some estimate full stack would be about 1mil), so maybe 500k per flight or less could be possible for few routes. With 100 people onboard that would be 5k per ticket, which is pretty great. The flight itself could and should be the attraction!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYY2teKOr5M

Video related

>>12154204
they could have around 500-800 people on board probably

>>12153796
That was a late burn, but when they all ended with town I kinda keked right there. It's the super low brain activity shit that gets me. You know, when it's going even below what you were bracing for...

>>12153718
they look small because they are attached to a massive object

>>12154116
I take comfort in the fact that you hacks have been kninging to this one picture for the last two months, so there's probably not much out there and even if so, you can't post the hardcore shit here on this sfw board. It's a pretty neat, natural system for the containment of the degeneracy.

>>12154207
they could have the cremated remains of 2000-4000 people on board. up to 50.000 could travel this way if you just tie them up to the outside

>>12154232
The ultimate fusion between Indian and Israeli transportation systems.

>>12154232
i like your idea

>>12154180
modern day surface spacesuits, while being very practical, are incredibly uncool

>storing propellant in the balls
seriously hope you guys don't do this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs_YknjQav8

a quarter mill does seem rich, but god damn going to space seems awesome.
a shame this thing didn't get going earlier like they planned,it seems archaic given what has already happened.

>>12154262
We store it ONLY in the balls

>>12154287
>carbon fiber
>those welds
bruh

>>12154291
it's not CF it's steel

>>12154278
Its like 5 minutes of space zero-g feeling for $250K.

>>12154293
i'm talking about the frame beneath it
like if you're gonna go for HIGH TECH AEROSPACE GRADE CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES can't you at least clean up the welds on the tanks a bit too

>>12154296
yeah,i think version 2 of this is supposed to go full orbital,that seems like a way better deal. but who knows if that happens.

>>12154302
That's just a fancy display stand, the entire rocket is pretty mych like the tug stage

orbital microstates with all substances fully legalized when?

>>12154312
Anything that can eat through the hull will be a controlled substance.

>>12154180
i'd imagine the weirdness around the feet and hands is mostly ballast considering they're underwater.
That said, it does look kinda retarded.

>>12154320
ALL substances
emergency pressure suits and deorbit systems are a personal responsibility

orbital server farms with encrypted optical communication links only when?

>>12154343
I am 100% sure that's on AWS's roadmap once Blue Origin gets going.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O97dPDkUGg4

Might see this sling up people early next year if this goes well.

>>12154369
New Shepard launching people is perpetually a year away

>>12154204
>>12154164
I see the 1000 number the same as the 100 people to Mars number - probably technically possible but unlikely to actually happen.

I think there's a whole lot of folks in NYC or LA who would absolutely love to be able to fly to Beijing or Hong Kong in the morning, have a business lunch with an important client and then be home to tuck their kids in at night. The travel time reduction would make private jet style travel that would normally be reserved for CEOs and make it accessible further down the chain of command for a big company. What volume that actually entails, who can say, but the types of people who make enough money to justify a quick cross-ocean flight are probably the same ones who would be willing to spend $10k a seat.

Granted now that we've accelerated teleconferencing by probably two decades worth of adoption in the last 6 months, those sorts of trips may be on the decline. But just like Starship should open up a new market for cheap orbital launch, there could be a new markets for short term tourism for upper/upper middle class people as well. As just like Starlink ensures that Starship will be profitable even without new customers, military contracts will probably keep E2E travel in development whether or not there's an immediate civilian market.

>>12154439
Videoconferencing across the Pacific Ocean will always suck because the light delay is enough to trip up conversational flow. Nobody except space geeks wants to orchestrate a meeting like radio comms between Houston and the ISS, full of beeps and pauses.

>>12154455
>Videoconferencing across the Pacific Ocean will always suck because the light delay is enough to trip up conversational flow

not after starlink it won't be anon

>>12154455
Starlink will lower latency easily enough for that

>>12154320
>smuggling gallium into an aluminum Oniell cylinder
You're going to take the steel pill, anons. Whether you want to, or not.

>>12154439
I think the travel time to and from the launch pad, especially when factoring in the boat ride, will end up being one of the biggest hurdles for making Starship capable of doing something like that.
It's still cool to think about the possibility of someone living on one side of the planet and having a regular job that they physically go to on the other side of the planet though.

>>12154466
>Wars fought between cylinder microstates involve launching a chunk of gallium at each other and waiting for the amalgam to kill everyone on board
Lame.

Even if starship gets into orbit with no problems and nasa decides to go all-out with it as the HLS lander how long would it take to outfit one as a habitable spacecraft?

>>12154475
>Elon tweets smug spacefrogs at all the orbital hab owners from his comfy private 1km wide lava tube mansion on Mars staffed by catgirls in French maid outfits

>no diversity hires on mars
NO DIVERSITY HIRES ON MARS
>no diversity hires on mars
NO DIVERSITY HIRES ON MARS

love the virgi... i mean ancaps daydreaming about space neoliberalism.

bro, all society and particularly space travel is a collective endavour, you will never be "free to do whatever you want" with the resources of a whole civilization while not having any responsibility, that only applies to the mega rich.

youll either accept that a state is a collective construction that requires responsibility and yes a bit of mandatory stuff to reap its inmense benefits democratically.

OR

youll suffer in the hands of a neocorporate dictatorship much more invasive than any you could dream of

ancap is shilling for that dictatorship

>>12154513
who are you quoting

>>12152862
scientifically speaking, what does swimming in a pool of liquid nitrogen feel like?

>>12154526
hypothermia and then quickly dieing

>>12154529
scientifically speaking, what does jacking off in a pool of liquid nitrogen feel like?

>>12154531
*crack*

>>12154531
The same thing but dick first.

>>12154526
if you had a very well insulated suit,very weird-the leidenfrost effect would flashboil the nitrogen around you and make it expand by about 700 times,buffeting you around. as the outer skin of your suit cooled off you'd find yourself in a substance not too different than water, although not quite as dense.

If you brough a REBCO disk wih you and had access to strong external magnetic fields you could have fun balancing and gliding via superconduction.

>>12154526
Just make sure you don't swallow any

>>12154526
if its 0.0000000000000000001 liquid nitrogen dissolved in water it can be quite fun, swimming pools are fun

It's pretty great that SpaceX is interested in Mars and NASA is interested in Venus, because they can get the most out of each of those planets.

Mars would be an excellent planet for the space industry; survivable ground to build on, an easy to escape gravity well and atmosphere, plenty of potential for the industry-oriented space company to be industrious. Mars will be the hub for industry in the asteroid belt and exploration of the outer planets.

Venus, meanwhile, has the most potential for research. It's a vastly more interesting planet than Mars, with loads of room for experimentation in operations and loads of undiscovered secrets. Certainly a better place for the research-focused space agency to focus on.
It'll also be a more enjoyable colony, even if it's less practical. Lots of sun, pressures and temperatures humans can survive, possibly very interesting views (no photos of the survivable layer of the atmosphere have been taken).
NASA is still too inept at heavy transport to run a permanent colony though, they'll need a lot of help from SpaceX. Initially they'd have to abandon any Starships sent there to their doom which'll suck for the budget (reuse is only possible once a floating spaceport can be made and a different fuel synthesis process is figured out), but Starships will still be a lot cheaper than the SLS.

>>12154570
fuck off venusian shill, nobody wants to explore your dry sauna world. let alone live on it.

>>12154570
>It's a vastly more interesting planet than Mars
Yeah if you can fucking work there without dying. Clouds of acid suspended over high pressure hell aren't great for ISRU compared to a fully accessible rocky planet.

>>12154573
>dry
>sauna
nigga thats like saying good hydrolox first stage

>>12154513
Fuck off communist

nuking the fuck moon WHEN

uparmored orangetankbad space battleships when?

>>12154578
yukk it up buster but just don't look at this pic or the h3 core stage

>>12154577
The habitable layer of Venus is actually almost completely safe. The only thing you'd need to survive is an oxygen mask. Even without that you wouldn't die a horrible death like a bunch of mustard gas just flooded your trench but instead you'd end up losing consciousness due to lack of oxygen and then die in your sleep. Probably the most peaceful death you could hope for off-Earth.

>>12153750
nah it's great. Whoever is renting one for a mission will give it a mission name so it will be referred to as The Starship [mission name]
>The Starship Constitution
>The Starship Columbia
>The Starship Challenger
>The Starship Trump

>>12154598
aside from the minor problem of being cooked alive very quickly

>>12154513
The "an" part of Ancap or Ancom or whatever is a meme. Anarchism is the vacuum of organization present only in the transition from a dying society to it's successor, or from primordial chaos to the first social organization. Anarchy is an inherently unstable position which almost all human beings abhor. The difference between mostly deregulated societies of laws based on virtues and healthy economic competition and highly centrally planned socialized societies based on envy and thievery is that one of these two societies has produced lasting success and economic power along with explosive technological progress while the other has produced a long procession of failed states and practically every large scale genocide in modern history.

Is there a tool which can tell me the delta-V required to move between different orbits, whether around the same planet or different planets?

>>12154603
>Starship One

>>12154603
reminder that before retconning the original enterprise was a starship class vessel

>>12154609

>>12154610
I could have sworn Air force one had a radar dish on top of it

>>12154610
It'd be Space Force One following the naming tradition.
>Air Force One
>Marine One

I really relly really like this general

>>12154629
You're still cleaning the gate room with a toothbrush for that little stunt with the gila monster, three ducks, a bottle of olive oil, and my granddaughter, Colonel.

>>12154619
I kinda wish this had a node for the habitable layer of Venus, because why would anyone care about the absurd delta-V requirement for taking off from the surface? It'd never happen, because it'd be far easier just to leave the rocket in the habitable layer and have whatever you sent down float back up.
Also, it should show delta-V requirements assuming aerobraking, because obviously you'll use it if it's an option.

>>12154653
It's the same delta-V plus or minus a few meters per second. You just have less gravity/air resistance losses. Think of a zeppelin compared to the ISS.

>>12154658
If it's similar atmospheric conditions to earth at the habitable layer and venus has a similar mass to earth then shouldn't it be a similar delta v to orbit as earth?

>>12154653
>Also, it should show delta-V requirements assuming aerobraking, because obviously you'll use it if it's an option.

If you can aerobrake then the delta v requirement for lowering your orbit can be made arbitrarily small. Apollo required zero delta v to land on Earth.

Wish her luck.

>>12154629
could you use submarines to traverse venus' lower atmosphere? serious question

>>12154692
Probably not without extensive modifications. Submarines are built to be warmer than the surrounding water.

>>12154598
>instead you'd end up losing consciousness due to lack of oxygen and then die in your sleep
No actually, your body would go into pure panic mode as it detected the rising CO2-in-air concentrations and you would horribly convulse and gasp as your brain slowly shut down, and then you'd lose consciousness and die. Also you'd get significant acid burns on all your exposed skin and mucus membranes including inside your lungs.

>>12154653
>Also, it should show delta-V requirements assuming aerobraking
If you see a little red arrow indicating that aerobraking is possible, then you can aerobrake. Simply by adjusting how low you go, your apoapsis after the aerobrake can be targeted. Basically this means that aerobraking is any amount of free delta V you choose.

>>12154713
Where exactly are you aerobraking here???

>>12154721
Note the direction of the arrows. That's for going towards Earth.

>>12154691
If there isn't a route where you can fuck her big tittied mom, then I wish her bad luck.

>>12154730
is her mom buxom or just really wide

>>12154735
Both.

>>12154721
Earth. Actually, anywhere headed in-system which has an atmosphere, if that's where you're headed.

Sagittarius A* gravity assists when?

>>12154781
When we maneuver another black hole into orbit around it to actually let us take advantage of the momentum.

Just like you can't do a gravity assist off of the Sun, but you can do one off of Jupiter, we can't do a gravity assist off of Sagittarius A* but we could do one off of any star, compact object or black hole in orbit around it. The close the orbit and the more massive the objects the greater the assist.

On another note, I'm actually convinced that ultra high energy cosmic rays are formed when normal cosmic rays get gravity assists by black hole merger events; how the hell else do you give a proton enough kinetic energy that its total mass-energy is equal to that of a baseball moving at 100 km/h?

>>12154806
>Just like you can't do a gravity assist off of the Sun,
you can though, the only hard part is not melting

>>12154001
This. I like my women, but the whole "LET'S TURN EVERYTHING INTO MOE GIRL" shtick is becoming gay. At this point, depicting rockets as big ass CHADS would be less gay, and I say we do it because conquering space requires TESTOSTERONE and ABS, so I say we reflect that with our rockets. Starship is pic related.

>>12154819
t. closeted homopenis

>>12154806
>Just like you can't do a gravity assist off of the Sun, but you can do one off of Jupiter, we can't do a gravity assist off of Sagittarius A*

Yes you fucking can
Stars get slingshotted into intergalactic space by close encounters with it

>>12154806
What are you on about m8, I'm pretty sure you can do a gravity assist off of a star. I suppose if you did one off of a black hole you would go fast as fuck lol. Do any of y'all remember old KSP where if you tried to fly into the Sun you ended up going through the center and got ejected at like, hypervelocity? Good times

>>12154843
if you're only considering a reference frame where the star is stationary it doesn't work since there you have the same speed approaching and leaving, but from any reference frame where the star is moving you get yeeted out

>>12154848
Ohhh oh that took a bit of critical thinking but yeah that makes sense. I think I get it now? So like we couldn't really do one off of our own Sun because we are already in the solar system and Earth/our spaceship have the same orbital velocity around the milky way (i.e. we are in the same reference frame)?

>>12154863
Sun boosts within the solar system are great for an Oberth kick, but you don't get any extra dV from a passive slingshot.

>>12154848
This graphic makes it really clear actually.

>>12154863
simplest way to think about it is that you're just stealing a bit of velocity from the object you are flying by and the difference in masses means that your tiny probe gains a ton of velocity and flies outward while the object loses velocity and falls inward a tiny bit
but if you're using a reference frame defined such that the object is always stationary and everything else moves around it, you can't steal any velocity from it because it has none in that frame
you can use whatever reference frame you please at any time, but for practical purposes you generally want to use on where whatever object you're orbiting is stationary because that makes things way easier to look at

>>12153759
The Thin White Duke (return)

>>12152968
I'm studying mechanical engineering, hopefully I can get some spess job

>>12154843
>tfw no anna lee fisher gf

Oh shit, NASA might just have cracked cold fusion.

(Well, "cold" for certain values of "hit it with a gamma-ray laser.")

https://www1.grc.nasa.gov/space/science/lattice-confinement-fusion/

>road closures cancelled for this month
Why :(

>>12155011
Nothing to they want to launch, nothing to pop until next month

>>12155017
I thought they wanted to roll out and test SN8 but I guess decided to take their time.

Does venus have more interesting surface geology compared to Mars? Or is it hard to tell from lack of data. I feel like Venus is more or less static whereas Mars would be more dynamic.

>>12155040
Mars and Venus are both static compared to Earth. Neither has internal tectonic activity anymore.

>>12155042
Of course, but I feel like Mars at least has the ability to have SOME interesting geochemical processes going on. Venus, from my guess, is just a perpetual hellish landscape. Unless there is like, some liquid that exists deeper in the crust doing interesting things

>>12155011
that was how long they had allocated to fighting with SN7.1

>>12155042
we don't know that