/sci/ - Science & Math

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>>12070272
OP is a faggot is the only correct answer.

>>12070272
Closed individualism is the correct theory of personal identity.

>>12070331
Why?

>>12070410
Are you Andy Weir?

>>12070436
It doesn't feel like I am, but that's besides the point. That's also consistent with Empty Individualism just as much as Closed Individualism.

>>12070482
I am not a point/slice, as I exist across time.
I'm also not you nor are you me, because neither of us know each other or anything like that.
So the only thing left is closed individualism

>>12070517
>I am not a point/slice, as I exist across time.
Prove it

>>12070624
I have lived for years and it has been continuous for the whole time.
The same holds for every other person.
This is the strongest amount of empirical evidence that can exist.

>>12070517
>I am not a point/slice, as I exist across time.
Loosely speaking yes, strictly speaking no.
Obviously we have a lot of important connections with our past and future selves that we don't really share with others. But we don't have any kind of single enduring essence. If you compare a person at 5 years of age and his 90 year old demented self that doesn't even remember anything about him as a 5 year old, there's really nothing of the original left. They don't have any more in common than two entirely random persons have on average. This is basically empty individualism, though I prefer to talk about "the bundle theory of self", where persons are a loosely bound bundle of experiences, memories, personality traits etc.

>>12070661
>I have lived for years
How do you know that the "yous" that existed in the past are the "same" you as the "current" you?

>and it has been continuous for the whole time.
How do you know it has been continuous? Just because it feels like it's continuous doesn't mean it actually is.

>>12070669
My grandma has dimensia and alzheimers and still remembers things from her childhood. Your foundation is wrong.
>>12070688
>How do you know that the "yous" that existed in the past are the "same" you as the "current" you?
It's more accurate to say the you of me now is the same me as those ones of the past
>How do you know it has been continuous? Just because it feels like it's continuous doesn't mean it actually is.
There is no difference

>>12070713
>There is no difference
Yes there fucking is. By your logic, if you hallucinate, the things you are hallucinating are definitely real.

>>12070713
The grandma of today remembers the experience of the grandma when she was 5 and that is what they are. They are a memory and an experience.
>>12070748
If you hallucinate, you are hallucinate. What you experience is what is you as you are experience

Open and empty are the same, we are Venn diagrams of experience across space and time. You'd have to be a truly unique lunatic to be closed, but even then your act of experiencing is still an experience and can be considered open and also empty. Closed is still the way we see the world usually and even a false fact is still valid as an experience. However the fact that so many all experience the same closed individualism just further validates that we are open

>>12070713
>My grandma has dimensia and alzheimers and still remembers things from her childhood. Your foundation is wrong.
The point is that it's possible for a 90 year old demented man to not remember anything about his 5 year old self, not that it's true for every single demented case. Obviously.

>>12070688
You don't.

Also me in the past is obviously not the same as me today.

I learn things/become more retarded dynamically, that's leaving aside aging and other nonsense.

>Just because it feels like it's continuous doesn't mean it actually is.
Do you have any proof that it isn't? Right now, we have no way to measure time discontinuity (not that time actually exists beyond a concept).

>>12070482
I'm with the Buddhists/Empty individualism, its not just limited to personal identity, but identity of everything around us and inside our minds. A chair has no superchair hold it together. Its just a collection of pieces of wood/screws in a certain way in a certain time and seen/understood from perceiver. Apply that universally and we get the Buddhist "sunyata" (empty womb/emptiness). If you apply to individual, you get anatta(no self).

Biased towards Buddhist because I read plenty and agree with the core of it.

>>12070272
open fuckyouism is the correct one

so you think you're me? fuck you