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>>12021937
>Why is game theory not taught in school
It's not taught in )))your((( school.

>>12021937
>mathematics
No, game theory is microeconomics. Now go back to /biz/

>>12022010
>game theory is microeconomics.
the absolute state of midwits

>>12021937
>vastly more useful domain of mathematics to the average man than infinitesimal calculus
how's that?

I guess it's because the education system is meant to create workers, not leaders. Game theory would tell you that it is not a good deal to be a worker, so schools simply don't teach it

>>12022130
Ethics. Morality.

>>12022136
lmao

It's not useful beyond simplistic models. Ludic fallacy.

>let's teach women/inferiors how to manipulate better and get caught less

>>12022124
correct me if i'm wrong but my pseudo understanding of this leads me to believe it affects:
architecture of the system you are on determines it's market and CPU and something software engineering.

>>12021937
The world would be a better place, that's why.

>>12021937
Its taught in further maths mate

>>12021937
In which class are games (sports) most commonly played?

>>12021937
Because this dilemma is flawed in it's creation.
Why would both confessing only give 5 years each? In a normal situation where it's 20 years for the crime, both confessing would get 20 years each, not 5 years each.

>>12022506
Damn..

>>12021937
Decision making is highly g-loaded>>genetically determined>>>teaching pseudo science to retarded proles won’t make them better slaves>>>calculus is to save colleges the trouble of wasting a year on baby math with the students ostensibly talented enough for STEM. What needs to be taught are actual trades and much earlier than 18.

>>12022506
because each secured a plea deal to snitch

>>12022597
but that would incentivise them to just lie and say they did it, regardless of whether or not they actually did

It isn't: game theory examples are artificial and IRL you are better off studying something different.

>>12022162
It's not useful to you because you're not smart enough to utilize and analyze all of the relevant information. Just because you could never figure out how to use game theory, probability, and statistics in real life doesn't mean your betters can't either. Argument from incredulity fallacy.

>>12024754

>12025084

>>12025084
If there are some elite members who can utilize this theory, go and ask them about it.

>>12025084
>you're not smart enough
>Changing the subject

>>12025089
Retard.
>>12025241

>>12025084
If you care, you can study game theory on your own as it is fairly simple in comparison to calculus. Anyone who would put in the effort to apply game theory IRL would either study it in a college class or on their own.

>>12021937
If you actually knew something about game theory, instead of just learning what some low-tier youtubers say on the subject with meme cartoon characters, you knew that there is absolutely no value of learning game theory in schools - unless you specifically aim for game theory later in life.

KYS nigger

>>12021937
Two reasons:
1: Calculus is more useful for workers (engineers and shit)
2: The education system hates discrete maths as they see it as not useful.

>>12021937
>Implying anything about modern schooling is designed to be useful
OP i have some bad news for you...

>>12026064
>peak human centric mathematics
>useful in every domain where human organization and networks are involved
>"no value of learning game theory in schools"
Put a gun in your mouth and spray the useless pack of fat your brain is on the wall, retard.

>>12026064
Can't wait for the summer to be over for kids like you to leave

>>12021937
School? What is that?

>>12026249
>>12026252
The meme applications to economics are just that memes. If you think analysing games like chess is really useful then you are pretty retarded.

>>12026269
>The meme applications to economics are just that memes

I think if you reduce all economic exchanges to positive sum or negative sum then that's really all you need.
Ban/outlaw all negative sum economics, watch your GDP rise for decades. It's simple yet people like you devalue the importance of this very VERY simple little thing.

>>12026292
It's called maintaining a competitive advantage. There's a similar branch of psychology called transactional analysis

>>12021937
Its disruptive to society when an individual learns that narcissistic behaviour is more rewarding than altruistic for the individual. The import of shitskins and presence of kike does seem to cause this already

>>12021937
Because teaching your opponents optimal strategy is a suboptimal strategy.

>>12026307
>It's called maintaining a competitive advantage
>It's

what is "it" you're referring to? positive sum economics or business in general?
cause negative sum economics can be EXTREMELY competitive advantageous
in fact I'd say negative sum economics dominates the world as a whole

a good example of this is smart negative sum economics is what's responsible for global warming. Everybody knows oil causes global warming, and everybody knows it's going to cost future generations BIG time, but nobody cares because we're all profiting off it right now in the present. In the future oil will have great and greater diminishing returns, both as harvesting it becomes more expensive (from tar sand and such) but also in the cost of dealing with cleaning carbon emissions and dealing with the global warming impacts. It's a perfect example of negative sum economics.

>>12026307
You're a sociopath, normal people don't think like that.

>>12022506
Fucking replace the prison scenario with a game show and change amount of years served to prize money. Your issue has been solved and now the dilemma may continue.

>>12025241
Damn son. Congratulations, you're now in the club.

>>12022280
game theory assumes everyone is a rational actor. as fucking retarded as sociology is, it's irrefutable that is a terrible assumption to make about individuals

>>12027730
No it doesn't. Irrarional actors should always come out worse off, otherwise you made an error in your calculations and you are the irrational one.

>>12027730
>what is bounded rationality

It was in our.

>>12021937
Never understood this shit in uni, dont understand why you take into account that they are rational, shouldnt you understand when the other dude lies or not and apply it with bayesian models? Isnt the probability of the other dude confessing or being irrational higher than the risk you should take for the years you may stay? Everybody says the smartest thing is to say nothing, but shouldnt you bait the other dude into remaining silent? It never makes sense why the rational would stay silent. The risk/reward for staying silent is so low that it seems the worst answer. Study math in uni but, maybe i am retarded, can somebody explain.

>>12027803
I am rational actor. My accomplise is rational actor.

We both realize that the best choice is to snitch. However we know that the other person is also aware of this fact. As a result we know that both of us will snitch resulting in long term lock ups for both of us. Therefore we both remain silent.

And this is why game theory is retarded because it breaks down into a whole lot of "oh but since I know they are rational then I will cheat but then they will cheat, etc. Etc." It's really just a shortcut for brainlets who don't understand intuitively how humans think to pretend they are socially competent.

>>12027803
There’s nothing to understand, its not an accurate mechanistic model of social organisms.

>>12027803
>Isnt the probability of the other dude confessing or being irrational higher than the risk you should take for the years you may stay?
Virtually any criminal would keep silent. I believe the general rule is say what you can to get out of trouble if you had nothing to do with the crime, but if you were involved you stay silent.

>>12022162
>Ludic fallacy
That author screams of a guy that scored low on an IQ test once, and spent his entire life trying to argue against math & logic.

I just cant bother to care about anything he says, it always reads to be so biased.

>>12027730
>game theory
Does this apply also in quantum world?

>>12027849
Ludic fall doesn't argue against logic, it says you should reconsider your assimptions when the results appear extraordinary.

>>12022010
/biz/ is no place for non-shitcoin topics

>>12027849
Ludic fallacy doesn't argue against logic, it says you should reconsider your assumptions when the results appear extraordinary.

>>12027594
Approach women and try not to change

>>12022548
>tfw we start teaching trades to the dumb students at age 15 in finland

>>12022506
>that one guy bitching about the wrong thing

>>12021937
Because school doesn't teach stuff that could potentially be useful. Game theory is related to evonomics in many ways, and to teach that to kids would mean we would get a generation of educated people smart enough to realize that they're being exploited by the system, and the system doesn't want that.

Guys what if game theory would also apply in quantum world but we are not aware of it?

>>12026249
Yes, and fucking gene editing or space travel can also be "peak" human technologies, as well as incredibly useful. Yet they are not taught in school in detail, only mentioned at best. Why? Well, because the function of the school is not to teach the current meme tech or have all students aim at "peak" top interest (Who decides?) of mankind, but to give general tools to function in society, workforce and in academic world. Don't you fucking neckbeard think there arent ten thousand other specific subjects too on top of game theory that are also important for the mankind's future waiting? Fucking idiot, the maths that are taught is best selected in a way that makes them better individuals, better workers and better basis to perhaps pursue game theory or discreet math if they want. Game theory doesn't satisfy the first two category at all. Calculus doesn't fare that well either, granted, but it's definitely much more well needed in variety of technical fields, hence vastly superior to game theory.

KYS nigger

>>12029431
holy fuck how retarded are you?
gene editing and space travel are not practical for kid in school and home space. they are very deep specialization of lots of different fields.
game theory is very abstract/general and can be useful in schools/home/playground as kids can develop mental ability to make informed decisions.
oh wait, you are the same (((disinfo))) fag who don't want people to learn.

>>12029911
And here we see that you don't really know anything about Game Theory, assuming you are the same retard I pointed out this earlier. Game theory is not some funny little stick man drawings on the chalk board "Should Mark rat on his criminal friend or stay loyal". Game theory is NOT some general, easy to access field that somehow magically is intuitive enough for kids and also benefits their learning as a whole. It's a branch of discreet mathematics and requires many techniques that are enough material to learn on their own.

Throw street cred into equation and the problem solves itself.
Applies to economics as well, but not in ways you might think.

>>12022548
trade is taught from father to son

>>12029911
And holy shit if you really equate learning game theory to something that keeps people educated you are a massive fucking retard. Imagine implementing most neoliberal, market driven individualistic mind set there is how, how we are all just rational machines trying to max out our gains and minimize losses and calling that something that allows people make informed independent decision. Max retard logic

>>12021975
>)))your(((
What is this??

>>12022136
>Ethics. Morality.
Mostly alien concepts these days, sadly.

>>12030349
If you don't max your gains, then someone else will max his gains over you.

>>12030349
another kike capitalist in communist coat.

>>12025241
Holy shit. Now do that on /b/.