/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11950077
suborbital scams edition*

The Future of space is LEO Climate science, NASA does not take president over stopping crimes like Starvation, Racism, and Climate change

>>11950077
>A 4ASS autistronaut attacks a Galactic Virgin, circa 2025

>>11950098
>hippity hoppity this spacecraft is now our property

Will starship need to be constantly pressurized to prevent the structure from collapsing, like the older Atlas rockets?

>>11950117
I think it only needs to be pressurized when loading propellant.

look at thiis foolish oldspace nerds

>>11950077
>>11950085
>suborbital scams

>>11950165
>blue origin
>older than spaceX
>literally infinite money
>still hasn't launched a space tourist into suborbital flight
>still hasn't built an orbital class rocket
>will maybe launch one next year, will be nearly the same size as saturn V, but only a little more capable than Falcon Heavy
>no progress updates on said rocket
lmao

Lol. They have to take off and replace engine section off the spaceshiptwo each time because they use hybrid engines. Why??

Is it even a competition at this point?

>>11950183
In their defense, having a company other than Aerojet to subcontract for liquid engines is a good thing. Maybe we can finally use something other than RL-10s in the future.

>>11950199
>boeing
I bet Shelby would personally give every boeing exec a blowjob to keep them in his district, he'll personally kill a taxpayer in their boardroom to keep them in his district lmao, what a loser

>>11950190
Their motor uses nitrous oxide and rubber, which is not only a very common propellant mix for hybrid motors, and thus there is extensive industry knowledge for it like kerolox for liquid engines, but it is also incredibly safe as far as rocket propellant goes. The mixture is considered non-explosive, and IIRC the US Department of Transport allows a complete and fueled motor using that propellant to be transported across the country, both on land and air, without the need for extra safety documentation like with a traditional solid motor.

>>11950183
Reminder that SpaceX's rapid development is unusual in the space flight industry. Although, hopefully Blue Origin picks up the pace after New Glenn. SpaceX needs a truly equal competitor.

>>11950206
Yeah, but if you have a reusable flight vehicle. Why not just use liquid propellant? Looked it up and apparently it's cause liquid ones are too complex.

>>11950165
>>11950183
anons, would you rather ride the Spaceship Two or New Shepard into space? Personally I'd rather ride the New Shepard but I could see some people preferring the more spacious Spaceship Two

>all these scrubs because of weather
People are worried about getting Kesslered but completely gloss over when when staring into the climate chasma. All equatorial launches will be dry season lotteries for government handlees and blue checks.

>>11950238
with the amount of time virgin galactic has spent R&D they might of as well done liquid engine R&D

>>11950238
Fluid dynamics and ullage is a bitch when they're dropping it off halfway. Just look at what happened to that rocket they just tried launching.
That's why they're using solids and hybrids.

>>11950259
Yeah exactly. They took the quick route for the X prize. But keeping it is retarded.

>>11950251
New Shepard.

>>11950238
I don't have any inside knowledge as to why Virgin Galactic chose hybrid motors over liquid, but my guess would be due to the limited time by the Ansari X Prize. Virgin needed a motor that was reliable enough to be easily refurbished for frequent flights, yet has to be quick to develop and test to meet the deadlines given by the X Prize. The hybrid motor would meet those requirements as it is simpler than a liquid propellant engine, but doesn't run into the refurbishment issues of a solid propellant motor.

While Virgin would need to replace the rubber propellant (and probably the nozzle too if it's ablatively cooled), rubber is significantly easier, cheaper, faster, and safer to cast than a traditional solid propellant (high energy solid propellant casting caries tons of risks). The remaining hardware such as the propellant tank for the N2O and associated plumbing can be left as is with only inspection needed.

Once the design for Spaceship One was done and the X Prize was won, Virgin carried over the motor design from Spaceship One to Spaceship Two to keep the knowledge gained from the previous space craft rather than having to invest in significant redesign, retraining, and retooling.

>>11950234
Rapid development not being a norm is not an excuse. If a company funded not even 20 years ago can make such major advancements, then we should expect no less from more mature and experienced companies. The reason why Boeing & co underperform compared to SpaceX is because they are not driven by actual competition and technological advancement but by milking as much money as possible out of NASA. Old Space must reform or rot and die.

>The Chad SpaceX
>The Virgin Galactic

>>11950285

>>11950282
>Rapid development not being a norm is not an excuse.
It wasn't an excuse, but rather an explanation as to why other space flight companies are slow to catch up. SpaceX's rapid development rate shocked even NASA, and the company used development strategies that were inconceivable at the time. Such as; taking an expendable booster and iterating on it to make it reusable, whereas NASA believed that if one were to make a reusable booster then it must be designed from the start as such.

>>11950275
Personally I think that Virgin should’ve just used a liquid engine from the get-go. Alright I did some math and hear me out.

It takes 2.1 km/s to reach suborbit from the ground. Let’s say it’s 2.3 km/s to add some margin.

SpaceShipOne has a mass of 900 Kilograms (0.9 tons) without its motor. That’s pretty damn light. It’s 5x5 meters from Nose to Tail and Wing to Wing. It’s main body is a 1.5 meter cylinder.

Let’s say Virgin wanted to add a liquid fueled stage instead of their rubber engine. If they wanted to reuse their 1.5 meter wide cockpit diameter, then their tank would also be 1.5 meters wide and around 2-2.5 meters long. Remember, we don’t want it sticking out the back of the ship.

The closest thing we have to a tank that matches the diameter and length is the Falcon 1 stage 2. It was 1.678 X 2.7 meters, and held 3.348 tons of fuel at a mass of 0.45 tons. It also had a single engine with a mass of 0.052 tons.

For our version of SpaceShipOne we can use a 1.5X2.7 meter wide tank. This is small enough to be flush with the body and still give around half a meter of space between the tanks and the cockpit cabin. The back end of the tank would extend out to the same length as the wings, so it would need some form of either Thermal Protection System, or at least another aluminum shell.

A 1.5X2.7 meter tank has around 83.5% the volume of a 1.678X2.7 meter tank. This means it holds 2.73 tons of Kerolox fuel. Let’s be conservative and say that it uses the same mass as the F1S2 tank, but utilices a second engine (The “Kestrel” engine has a high ISP and a thrust of 52 kN. We’ll assume Virgin uses a Kestrel-like engine with 50 kN and an ISP of 300 seconds, with is very low). As this new tank has the same mass as F1S2, but has a new engine, it has a mass of 0.5 tons instead of 0.45 tons.

SpaceShipOne masses of 0.9 tons. With three people that’s 1.2 tons. Using the new tank, it has a mass of 1.7 tons.

1/2

>>11950183

IIRC they've changed plans a bunch of times and had to redesign their rockets from scratch which probably cost them 5-10 years.

For instance, New Shepherd was originally supposed to have multiple engines and would have resembled a cross between the DC-X and the Chrysler SERV, but they scrapped that design around 2010-2012 and ended up going with the single-engine two-stage hydrolox powered chode of a New Shepherd that we see today.

They've also made significant changes to their orbital vehicle plans, as their orbital rocket was originally Falcon 9-sized and aimed at the Commercial Crew market, and almost resembled a Kistler K-1 with a 1st stage that landed DC-X style. They then cancelled this design around 2015-2016 in favor of the much larger New Glenn.

Apparently it was quite far along development wise, as there are persistent rumors that actual prototype hardware was built for it, the Crew Dragon-sized biconic manned capsule included. I'd imagine that getting to see that hardware in person (including whatever engine would have powered it) way well have been what convinced ULA to go with the BE-4 as the engine for Vulcan even though it only existed on paper at the time.

>>11950234
Blue Origin doesn't even need to match Starship. If New Glenn works as advertised it will dominate the market for GTO launches that Roscosmos and Arianespace currently share, and it might even eat into JAXA and ISRO as well.

>>11950275
>>11950342

COONTINUED

SpaceShipOne masses of 0.9 tons. With three people that’s 1.2 tons. Using the new tank, it has a mass of 1.7 tons. We don’t know how much the TPS masses, but assuming that the fuel tank has a second hull around it, we can add 0.5 tons to the vehicle. This is probably conservative, but it protects the tank and we want minimal refurbishment. Lastly, lets add another 0.1 tons (100 kilograms) as an allowable growth for the vehicle, alongside maybe extra payload. This gives us a vehicle mass of 2.3 tons.

It takes 2300 m/s is Delta V to reach suborbit. Assuming our vehicle can hold 2.73 tons of fuel and has an engine ISP of 300 seconds, we get a Delta V of 2302 m/s. Not bad.

What does this mean? It means that a Kerolox SpaceShipOne could go from the ground to suborbit without the need of a carrier plane, and then be refurbished without the need to replace a rubber motor. It would be much cheaper and likely last longer. It also wouldn’t require the development of “SpaceShipTwo”, which is a sucky goddamn vehicle.

How much would it cost? Well as our vehicle reuses SpaceShipOne’s cabin (And airframe and wings), it has a crew of three. One is a pilot, so you have two customers. Kerolox fuel costs around $3/kg if we asume Elon’s Falcon 9 fuel costs are right (600 tons for $200,000). At $3/kg, our vehicle’s fuel cost is $5200 per flight. Assuming that we do a WDR and Static fire between flights, our total fuel cost stays at $16,000.

This means that a mission onboard costs just $8,000 per passenger. However amortization and refurbishment costs are real and probably decently high. Money can be saved.

Summary: Kerolox SpaceShipOne would’ve saved development time and money per flight.

Pic related is XCOR’s Lynx vehicle, which is pretty much what I proposed.

>>11950359
JAXA barely does commercial GTO launches as is and even ISROs brand new GSLV MKIII never flies non-indian payloads either.

Really the ones who did it were ArianeSpace, Roscosomos, and China.

ArianeSpace is expensive but still carries a lot of weight. Plus their government funded.

Roscosmos is pretty much dead at this point, no real need worrying about them anymore.

China has become blacklisted from the United States and every Asian country, ever. Aside from a few European payloads, they’re no longer a commercial juggernaut anymore.

Falcon 9 BTFO’d everyone even before they did reuse.

>>11950077
What are the odds of JAXA getting their shit together and giving us an H-II/III successor with a SpaceX style recoverable 1st stage and maybe even man-rating it to launch a capsule?

>>11950234
new glenn would actually look pretty nice if they would just scrap their awful fucking logo and paint scheme

>>11950380
see >>11950271
Fluid dynamics in free fall is a bitch, ok? You do not want air burps in your vomit comet's engine.

>>11950405
I was assuming they brute force it and launch it like a plane. That’s why the Delta V is 2.3 km/s, as opposed to the real SpaceShipOne which has like 1.5 km/s

>>11950408
The entire fucking platform is designed to be baby launched by plane.

>>11950405
How is it different from lighting a second stage? Both are in freefall? SpaceShipTwo has an RCS system and such.

>>11950411
Yeah I realized that. Ah well the math was fun. I don’t see why slightly more “full” wings and flaps couldn’t allow the vehicle to just take off, or maybe if it was launched from a stand vertically.

>>11950401
looks like SLS autistic kid brother

>>11950422
>Cryogenic first stage
>Cryogenic second stage
>Fat solid boosters

It pretty much is

>>11950415
One is already accelerating in the same direction and you need a minimal boost from ullage motors. Not hard, done all the time.
The other, is dropped from a plane, will be experiencing quite the fucking lurch as it gets dropped off and engine ignites. It requires a stronger force than the one that just ditched a massively powerful stage bringing it in the direction it's about to continue heading in.

Because that jet that just dropped your vomit comet off, is no first stage. It's just a training wheel.

UGLEH

>>11950436
? The second stage stops accelerating the second MECO happens. It should actually start decelerating due to drag. SpaceShipTwo drops from White Knight and enters free fall right after that. Should be similar scenarios barring the higher pressures of air. Ullage motors should work the same.

>>11950474
I'm not super familiar with the vomit comet, but I know why they fucked up their attempted liquid rocket engine. And that's because it is harder to air drop a liquid engine than it is to a hybrid or solid.
Similar does not mean the same. You are not on a perfect trajectory when you're yeeted from a fucking plane as opposed to when you just dropped off a fat first stage.

Bobendoug coming home!

>>11950234
>>11950359
Focusing on GTO payload rather than depots and Mars ISRU actually makes sense for Blue Origin's long term goal of building O'Neill Cylinders. You need a shitload of material in very high orbits to start building at Lagrange points.

>>11950425
As has been discussed in earlier /sfg/ threads, the Shuttle (and thus SLS), the H-II, and the Ariane V were all products of the same era in rocket design where MOAR HYDROLOGS :DDDD was the order of the day but they needed SRBs to get them off the ground. I actually admire the Delta IV Heavy for tripling down on MAGZIMUM HYDROLOGS :DDDDD rather than needing SRBs... but of course the new downside of hydrolox first stages is you can't reuse them for shit.

did SN5 static fire happen yet? It got aborted on the 27th and elon said they'd try again tomorrow. that was yesterday and I haven't heard squat

>>11950532
Guess not. Should have listened to his mom and not left his toys out in the rain.

>>11950532
No, but the good news is that it has definitely passed its WDRs. Right now we’re pretty much up to where SN4 got us, aside from the static fires.

Bobendoug NASA stream in nine minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg

>>11950401
Zero; japanese don’t seem too keen on throwing money at rocket research & development

>>11950117
No, it's stable under normal conditions. And hopefully with a payload in it.
The only thing we've learned so far that it is not stable with the lox tank filled and the methane one empty.

>>11950569
inb4 return is pushed back

SOLID
ROCKET
BOOSTER
FIRST
STAGES

>>11950606
What if... Sea Dragon sized SRBs?

>>11950569
Live

big Jim has the floor

>>11950606
Ares I was based and I remember watching it live when I was a kid but damn looking back it sucked.

Still I don’t think any rocket since has matched its aesthetics, aside from maybe a charred Falcon 9

SOLID
HYDROGEN
ICE
ROCKET
BOOSTER
FIRST STAGES

>>11950517
I mean DC-X was reusable, you could in theory design a Falcon-style reusable hydrolox stage, but it would be more difficult and non-optimal and the problem is already hard enough as is

Does Jim spend most of his time at Kennedy? Like is that where his office is?

>>11950625
The DC-X is among the most aesthetic rockets ever. Change my mind.

>>11950610
Well that's one way around the combustion stability problem.
>Sea Dragon Heavy
>2x SRBs
>Nuclear Lightbulb SSTO core stage

>>11950632
>Sea Dragon Heavy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F--3aBhAKCY

>>11950628
It was ahead of its time. But it’s designers were utterly retarded and wanted it to be a hydrogen SSTO so that’s on them.

>>11950628
I'll agree with you. I wouldn't dare call it the most "practical" or "useful", but damn does it look cool

>>11950610
What if
>Sea Dragon Heavy
Strap 3 of them together and launch a skyscraper to Mars

HYPERGOLIC
FIRST
STAGES

SOLID
UPPER
STAGE

>>11950625
>>11950645
Hydrogen is such a terrible, terrible fuel

>>11950653
RETROPROPULSIVE
FLYBACK
HYPERGOLIC
FIRST
STAGES

>SLS core stage and stage adapter for Artemis 1 are both at Canaveral
>still won't launch until next year
SO FUCKING SLOW

>>11950660
DA, SHE IS COMING IN HOT DMITRI!!!

>why yes, I am the most Japanese looking nippon alive

Is the entire long term business plan of Virgin Galactic literally just novelty edge-of-space suborbital tours?

No orbital vehicles planned? Orbital assembly of space stations? Interplanetary trips? Doesn’t sound very “galactic” to me desu

>>11950663
Reminder that SLS has been sitting on the Stennis test stand for over half a year. There's nothing physically stopping them from doing the Green Run, but they've decided to wait.

EXPENDABLE
HYDROFLUOR
FIRST
STAGES

>>11950670
If that fucking foam shit has been sitting in the stand for over half a year, it's probably rotted away by now.

>>11950668
yes
lol

>>11950668
It's Branson's fucking tax dodge.

>>11950628
>my ancestor

>>11950674
>haha oops there was an "accident" in handling your requested item and has to be sent back to the factory to be "refurbished". you'll have to pay extra for that haha so unfortunate
I doubt oldspace would pull that, but I would be so mad if they did.

EXPENDABLE
HYDROLOX
SPACEPLANES

>>11950668
I’m going to plagiarize an anon from the last thread and just repeat what he said: branson should have just rebranded after the test flight failure.

>>11950685
>has flown more than SLS
OH NO ORANGEBROS WE GOT TOO COCKY

>>11950690
Literally the Shuttle.

>>11950628
it's sad...the tech behind the falcon 9 could have been put to work decades earlier....we lost so much fuckin time.

>>11950692
N- no! No!!!! Orion capsule Columbia just flew over my house!

>>11950703
Oh boy! I watching the launch of the Orion capsule Challenger is so cool after having to wait through scrubs due to too cold wea-

If Atlas crashes I may kill myself

Reminder that we can harness Big Jim's looks as fuel and his charm as an oxidizer. 200 t to LEO easy

>how can we drive sustainability and reduce costs
OYYYY VEYYYYYYYY
>look at the Gateway, we want our landers to go back to the lunar surface and be reusable and refuelable
SHELBY ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>11950668
cant wait for somebody to start a tourism company that does lunar trips on rented starships, but that probably wont happen til 2040s at the earliest

>reddit

>>11950702
I think it was part due to the designers of the DC-X wanting to turn the rocket into an SSTO, and the lack of interest from NASA because they wanted just the X-33. Afterwards, things went back to the usual with the Shuttle which left NASA with no way to explore new launch vehicles.

>>11950708
Hey, Mars 2020 anon here. If it explodes I'm requesting a euthanization shot. On a more serious note ULA rockets never fail - knock on wood. Bruno has a great company under his belt. I think anytime Boeing tries to touch something he just tells them to fuck off and has Lockheed do it

>>11950711
I just don't understand this reusable lunar lander meme...

>>11950716
I GET the drive to build an SSTO-it's a tremendous,captivating engineering challenge-but it was never NECESSARY to pursue with re-usable rockets. If you slap shuttle style SRB's on the DC-X you have a rad as fuck system that could be cheap as hell, and it's waaay easier than SSTO. SSTO should have been the goal of version 2 of the tech.

Human on mars before 2027 yes or no

>>11950610
Hypergolic first stages that land spaceX style in small Chinese villages

>>11950730
Depends, you want to bring him back?

>>11950733
I just want them there

>>11950730
toss-up. I could see 2026 being a big year,but i think at this point 2024 is unlikely.

>>11950731
Considering that the J-2 has more thrust than an RL-10, can relight, and later versions had throttle capability then an DC-XL could've been made using J-2s instead allowing for greater payload capacity.

>>11950730
In my opinion? No, but I would like to see someone try their best for it.

>>11950730
yes

Have you remembered to pay homage to Mars, fellow martians?

>>11950627
I’d assume DC at NASA’s HQ building.

>>11950737
Falcon Heavy could likely throw you in a lawnchair into an intercept, that'd get you on Mars if enough of you survives entry to make it to the ground.
Speaking of, why did the Starman launch miss? I don't recall hearing what went wrong there.

>>11950732
And then blow up?

>>11950234
God I want to see this fly. Hurry up Bezos

>>11950730
Depends purely on SpaceX's Starship progress.

>>11950758
>Speaking of, why did the Starman launch miss?
IIRC, Planetary Protection threw a fit over SpaceX potentially contaminating Mars, so SpaceX adjusted the flight plan to throw Starman as far out as possible to show off FH's capabilities.

>>11950708
>>11950718
My ex worked on Mars 2020, so at least I can take solace in her being more bummed than me if it explodes on launch. I’m not bitter, I promise.

>>11950758
>>11950768
Yep, it was intentional. Damn thing almost reached Ceres orbit.

>>11950769
Can I be nosey and ask why y'all broke up

>>11950768
>IIRC, Planetary Protection threw a fit over SpaceX potentially contaminating Mars
literally just defund every space industry and branch out there except SpaceX and funnel all the remaining funds to SpaceX and make them a monopoly, I don't give a fuck anymore

>>11950768
>>11950771
Ahh that makes sense, it didn't fail it went precisely where it was intended to go, cool.

>>11950775
its actually in the belt right now

>>11950077
>80km apogee
>$250k
What were they thinking?

>>11950782

Just took a stinky Boeing feel much better

>>11950772
Long story, mostly just me being depressed combined with the stresses of a long distance relationship with both parties taking engineering curriculums. Either way, she decided the best way to end a 4 year relationship was via text message, so that was kinda shitty.

>>11950776
https://www.whereisroadster.com/charts/
Neat, it's out by Mars right now.

Does Starship have a dedicated self destruct lever? How does SpaceX intend to compete with Virgin Galactic?

>>11950800

>>11950346
>single-engine two-stage hydrolox powered chode of a New Shepherd that we see today.
New Shepard is one stage, though. I don't think a capsule counts as a stage.

>>11950798

>>11950643
based

>>11950798
https://where-is-tesla-roadster.space/live this one is much better

Proton delayed to 31st.

How long do you guys think it will be before the first interstellar probe is launched? What technology will it use, and when will it get there?

>>11950855
1977, chemical propulsion, a very long time.

>>11950867
>Sup dudes, muh dik.

>>11950855
one of the decadal survey teams was pitching one but it's probably not gonna happen this cycle

chemical prop for this fucking sucks, you'd want at least nuclear electric, maybe FFRE? it's all doable though

>>11950869
It was the 70s. Nobody knew about the dangers of hormonal contraception and HIV wasn't around yet so people just fucked like weasels, constantly.

>>11950880
They were launched the same year I was born, my man. I know.

>>11950855
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc4jy_9Wpew

lmao all this technology to keep it insulated when they could have just launched the mission at night

>>11950825
Neat, looks like its gonna make its closest approach to Mars on my birthday.
>>11950867
>carbon-fiber-carbon-tube-carbon-carbon-nano-carbon
Shit looks like cork.

>>11950888
trips of truth, stupid NASA

>>11950825
Holy fuck, that's a close pass

>>11950899
0.05AU apparently

>>11950867
Not an express purpose interstellar mission.

>>11950894
Whoops, meant to quote the PSP pic not Voyager plate.

>>11950908
Does that make Starman a PHO for Mars now?

>>11950899
"close" as in 4.6M miles away from mars. Meanwhile the Moon is ~240K miles from earth. Imagine the moon being farther by 20x. That's how "close" it will be.

>>11950947
The Moon is already way way WAY further than I expected. When you look at a scale image it’s kind of of mind boggling

>>11950954
And by building an exploding skyscraper we put three guys in a tin can there in three days of travel time.

>>11950954
It makes the 3 day trip make more sense though.
>>11950956
YEW
ESS
AYY

>>11950956
Seeing the Saturn V in person is amazing. The rocket itself is an absolute unit. In houston they have one in a warehouse and you can walk the entire length of the rocket, only to see this tiny tiny little capsule that looks like a pen head compared to a pen. All that fucking mass just to get three astronauts and a lander to the Moon

>>11950964
The rocket equation is a bitch.

>>11950964
they have one at Kennedy too

walking under it I looked up and was just furious: they built two more Saturn V rockets and never even fucking used them, what a waste!

they didn't even save money, the hardware for two more moon landings was bought and built and paid for. I hope Nixon is roasting in hell

>>11950956
>>11950967
Who’s idea was it to go with giant F1 engines instead of lots of little engines. When you see them in person it’s almost comical how big they are. The fact that they not only worked, but were some of the most reliable engines ever built, is a testament to American ingenuity

>>11950964
I've only seen an engine irl but it was fuckhuge.

>>11950978
Lol I remember this.

>>11950977
Nobody ever made more than five engines per booster core work until the Falcon 9. The F-1 WAS the lots of small engines option compared to the size of the rocket.

>>11950978
The flight F-1s are even bigger. That one is missing the nozzle extension which roughly doubles the length of the engine bell.

>>11950977
>Who’s idea was it to go with giant F1 engines instead of lots of little engines.
I have just the rocket for you

>>11950984

>>11950990
Also, you could compare the Saturn V’s 5 main engines vs the Saturn I’s 8.

>>11950990
Da, thanks comrade. The N1 is actually really cool
>>11950991
I wish I had a scale for my image. It’s one of those things where no picture can do anything it justice

>>11950959
USA
S
A

>>11950977
>>11950990
Why not just use 30 F-1s?

>>11951011
imagine the smell!

>>11951015
The plumbing for a monster like that would probably be even harder then for super heavy

>>11951025
The flow rate would be ludicrous too.

>>11951000
>I wish I had a scale for my image. It’s one of those things where no picture can do anything it justice

Even standing next to one engine with the bell extension on it is ludicrous.

>>11951015
You could easily build a rocket that large with steel, but I'm not certain aluminum would have been able to handle it, plus the F1 was a thoroughly old school engine in spite of it's impressive power output, the cost of man-hours in tiny tweaks and tolerance checking would have been abominable.
Should be easy to do these days, especially since a modern team P&W Rocketdyne designed the F1-b successor to take advantage of computer design and fitting as well as modern machining techniques. While the old F1 included some 500 individual components, the F1-b is made up of only a tenth as many, and they're computer designed to fit properly together in a safe and reliable manner with no particular need for post-assembly tweaks.
If only Shit Rocket Boosters hadn't been chosen ahead of the F1-b LRBs for Artemis we could be living to see tons of new F1 rockets rolling off an assembly line.

>>11951021
Considering it's a kerolox engine, probably smells like a thousand old oil lamps that have been left on all night.

There really needs to be a new space hardware company with rapid innovation and low costs.
Right now, there's a glut of launch capacity forming, due to the emergence of private space companies that focus mostly on rockets. Starship will be pretty underwhelming in the short-term if there isn't enough space hardware production across the entire world to keep one in continuous operation.
SpaceX can't even sell launches to the biggest producer of space hardware by tonneage, because it's their own Starlink project which produces 1.5 tonnes of hardware (6 satellites) per day.

>>11951044
4ASS shitposting space station when? How hard can it be?

>>11950988
>nozzle extension
I didn't realize that but yeah, damn what a unit.
>>11951011
REAL AMERICAN HERO
SATURN V IS THERE

>>11951051
Honestly the most difficult part would probably be designing an airlock compatible with existing ones. An inflatable habitat stiffened by aluminum or steel tent-pole ribs wouldn't be difficult to design on a fundamental level.
The outer and inner shells would be made of kevlar or vectran, with an outer layer of highly reflective material of some kind and a stuffing of higher end commercial insulation.
A minimal amount of electrical power can be provided by consumer grade solar panels, although they aren't optimal for weight reasons.
Some amount of heat rejection would be needed, and of course life support as well, although everything necessary to design it is commercially available, you can use conventional filters, rebreathers, etc.
The Bigellow habs were supposedly going to ballpark around 300 million a piece, but I can't imagine actually needing more than a tenth that much for a one off small scale habitat designed to hold two or three instead of six.

>>11951074
Actually if you're already working with aluminum, kevlar, and photovoltaics, you can even make it a testbed for the Dipole Drive sails. Imagine 4ASS being the first organization capable of propellantless station keeping in LEO.

Will Musk deliver the scheduled 2022 Mars mission?

>>11951092
I can see an unmanned flyby in 2022, I can't imagine a manned landing until 2024 though.

>>11951092
since when is musk launching perseverance?

>>11950741
That's my hunch as well. If Starship is anything like F9 it's going to grow exponentially in terms of capabilities and system maturity. It took from 2010 to the end of 2015 to go from F9 1.0 to something that could kinda sorta land, sometimes, took another year to get it to land on a ship, and another year still to start flying re-used boosters. But from 2017-onwards, F9 has been like a fucking space 737 in how routinely reliably reusable it is, and the design has matured to the point where stuff like Crew Dragon and Falcon Heavy have worked flawlessly from the outset.

Starship will likely have a similar time frame. I think we're not going to see reliable orbit and recovery before 2023-2024, but that Artemis and Dear Moon will likely happen in 2024-2025, and if Tesla's value keeps growing and Musk keeps shoveling money at Starship, I wouldn't be surprised if we get a moonshot Mars launch in 2026. Realistically, it's probably going to be cargo Starships on one-way trips prepositioning materials in 2026 followed by a manned launch in 2028, likely with intentions to stay.

>>11951095
The weather is 80% go when the window opens up in 13 hours and 90% by the weekend. I'd bet money on it making the deadline.

>>11950199
>90 million per seat

Is Boeing literally asking for the same price as Russia? wtf
I guess it's slightly better because that money stays in the US but still...

>>11951092
See: >>11951098

Given the slipping timelines and the complexities of developing on-orbit refuelling from scratch, I'd be shocked if we see anything more than an unmanned flyby/landing in 2024, and it's going to be at least another synod or two after that before we see anything manned.

My guess is that if SN5 doesn't blow up, we'll see a 20km hop this fall, and a karman line hop early this winter, with multiple one-way orbital flights beginning late last year but being about as reliably recoverable as F9 cores were in 2015-2016. I doubt we'll see a truly reliably recoverable LEO starship before 2022, and it probably won't make a manned flight before 2023.

>>11951093

No flyby.

Musk scheduled two cargo rockets to land in Mars in 2022 and manned ones to start a colony in 2024

I'm skeptical about Musk since he also promised that by the end of 2019 Tesla would have full auto-pilot, and they didn't deliever.

>>11951106
It's not really a good thing at all economically, if the contract comes from the government it's just US citizen's money. All paying out tax dollars to an investment black hole like Boing! does is cause money to vanish from the economy and prolong a stagnant corporate welfare entity.

>>11951114
>two cargo rockets to land in Mars in 2022
>to land
to LAUNCH, landing might take a while maybe even into 2023 year

>>11951092
They'll send something. The question really is whether it will successfully land or not

FRESH

>>11951127
We'll be lucky if starship gets to orbit by 2022, let alone to mars.

>>11951166
>We'll be lucky if starship gets to orbit by 2022
We'd be lucky if starship got to orbit in early 2021. It'll probably get to orbit in mid or late 2021

>>11951098
>F9 has been like a fucking space 737 in how routinely reliably reusable it is
'This African-American rocket won't stop destroying oldspace. And that's beautiful'

>>11951200
"Big African Rocket destroys poo-hole from Seattle"

>>11951203
It's certainly a powerful image, albeit not one I find terribly edifying

>>11951124
Keeps luxury yacht brokers and cocaine dealers in good business tho

>>11951222
The point is to make Boing! look terrible.

IN SPACE CAN ANYONE READ YOUR POSTS?

>>11951232
In space, no one can hear you scream nig-

>>11951224
In hindsight I should have considered the /gif/ related subtext of my post more carefully

>>11951246
IT MUST BE REALLY RACIST UP THERE!

>>11951259
Only white men seethe at african-american rockets carrying American astronauts..

>>11951232

>>11951259
There are no people with sunlight-blocking skin in the outer solar system.

The first person to set foot on Mars will be a Black woman, screencap this post.

t. insider

>>11951273
Good to be black?

>>11951273
how much will you seethe when its a white male?
>>11951271
i wonder if people in the outer solar system will naturally get paler over generations

>>11950674
now you understand why Columbia happened
they did this with every single fucking one of those orange tanks

>>11951277
>i wonder if people in the outer solar system will naturally get paler over generations
Either naturally or with CRISPR.

The crew dragon toilet is behind the control screens. So you have to poop in space while everyone sits in their chair and looks towards you.

>>11951286
Based, this means only self confident chads can endure any length of voyage on the Dragon.

>>11951295
the dragon will never go beyond the ISS though

>>11951286
there's a curtain

>>11951273
Das rite white boi

>>11950899
NOAA has shut down all footage from Mars.

>>11951265
>Wait, it's all a cat on a keyboard in space?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYgzaAtUfQM

>>11951286
>Yes, I'm shitting infront of you. Do you enjoy it? No? then look elsewhere dumbo.

Mars Perseverance launch tomorrow

https://youtu.be/JIB3JbIIbPU

7 AM EST

>>11951344
>We're in fucking orbit and you can't tear your eyes off another man taking a shit eh?

>>11951348
>7am
GODDAMMIT I'LL STILL BE ASLEEP
UNLESS I STAY UP
BUT I'LL BE DRUNK
TOO DRUNK

>>11951362
You do not know my suffering.

t. west coast

>>11951370
I'd rather try for 4am than 7am myself, but that's just me.
Fuck, guess I'm setting an alarm.

EXPENDABLE
SUBORBITAL
SPACEPLANES

>>11951308
Imagine the smell

>>11951426
Crack a window, will ya?

Currently refilling up tank farm.

If aliens popped out from galactic space right now and landed on Mars, would we know it?

>>11951439
MRO would eventually photograph their landing

>>11951442

What about if they are on the edge of our Solar System? Are we completly blind and naked to any space neighbors?

>>11951451
Maybe our antennas pick up their radio signals if any; otherwise we would not be able to visually spot them that far away

>>11951453
if anybody is using interstellar propulsion drives we'll see them

>>11951454
Some other civilization could probably launch tiny ass solar sail crafts into our solar system and we would never know it... strange thought

>>11951476
The Chelyabinsk meteor showed up completely undetected because it came from the "sunny" side of our sky. Very easy for us to miss any visitors.

Bros is SpaceX finished? All their prototypes so far exploded and they can't even fire a single engine after it's been installed on the pad for over a month. At least we can rely on ULA to actually launch rockets.

>>11951476
There is no such thing as a "tiny" interstellar sail, just to get sails to work out to Mars or the outer planets they must by necessity be kilometers across. Any form of interplanetary drive that isn't simply magic is going to produce an enormous footprint.

>>11951519
To be fair the last two prototypes to explode failed due to user error. Also SN5’s engine problems are because of a hurricane. It’s not really SpaceX’s fault.

ULA is a good company though I hope they survive Starship.

>>11951522
you can propel small sails with powerful lasers

>>11951519

I mean the amount they've accomplished in a relatively short period of time is incredible. I think SpaceX will be fine barring an absolute disaster - I.E. crew dragon returns to earth and the crew is suffocated or something

>>11951531
Yes, a monster laser and power source which itself would be extremely visible. The powers which need to be unleashed to allow for practical interstellar travel are not very subtle. You can detect a conventional chemical rocket engine firing anywhere in the solar system even with our relatively limited technology, assuming it's not been occluded by a celestial body. Any interstellar drive will become visible multiple solar systems away to anybody with a couple hundred years of teloscopy under their belt.

Post yfw Perseverance accidentally runs over Ingenuity.

>>11951549
>Tesla crashes into Perseverance

>>11951549
>copter blades get stuck in a wheel

>mfw I run over the first black trans woman on Mars with my Cybertruck

>>11951567
Xhe shouldn't have been blocking traffic, simple as.

>>11951567
>Mfw Elon only allows whites on Mars

>>11951531
Didn't the ship in Avatar use this for the departure/arrival burns from our solar system?

IIRC it was supposed to involve lasers of an almost incomprehensible scale and power to accelerate and decelerate the ship.

>>11951362
>>11951348
It'd be nice to watch but I'm not waking up for it. The landing is all that really matters, the launch will be pretty ordinary.

>>11951645
>the launch will be pretty ordinary
Unless it blows up, waking up to find I'd missed that would suck.

>perseverance
>"launch"

>implying perseverance's launch won't be scrubbed due to a 5mph breeze in Miami

>>11950316
It was designed as reusable from the start
The “issue” is that Spacex cut costs by an order of magnitude across the board so that it’s profitable without reuse at below market rates

That’s the real joke of these companies

>>11951645
Not very often we see an Atlas with four SRB's, those are always nice to watch

>>11951663
Are you baiting or what? SpaceX dominates the commercial launch industry as is and is winning government contracts left and right. They can take as long as they want to build Starship I mean they’re printing money at this point. They’re only going fast because they have desire and drive.

>>11951660
>Sudden range violation

>>11951684
does that get repainted after every booster recovery?

>>11951712
I think they stopped repainting it and just repair any critical damage. In the latest landings, the original logo is almost gone

>>11951712
Its like $20 for repaint, so why not.

>>11951716
Why bother at all? Send out a pad-ninja with a can of red spraypaint and have him draw a big 'X' if you absolutely need a target.

>>11951720
Style

>>11951567
Endangering my person with its hormone supplements, I had to defend myself

>>11951722
Hard to argue with that I guess.

>>11951649
Odds are low, but either way it's not like you'd be watching it in person. You'd still get to see the video, all you'd miss is a few minutes of post-explosion shitposting.

>>11951625
the ship in avatar was antimatter

>>11951745
See but that's the best bit though
a wall of
>FUCK
is always worth watching a RUD

took a picture of jupiter through a phone through an 8 inch telescope during a really humid night

>>11951763
well when you really think about it's pretty amazing bro

>>11951774
took some pictures of all of the galilean moons with jupiter in it it but jupiter is really overexposed in it so jupiter just looks like a big white dot. looking through the telescope i was able to easily see a clear view of jupiter and all 4 galilean moons

>>11951684
That would be a chad move. Intentionally forcing Perserverance to launch alongside Starship.

Can you can wank the cock in space?

Accidents and incidents
>On July 26, 2007, an explosion occurred during testing of SpaceShipTwo's systems, killing three employees and injuring three more.[16]

>On October 31, 2014, the SpaceShipTwo VSS Enterprise broke apart during an in-flight powered test. The incident killed one pilot and severely injured the other, resulting in the total loss of the vehicle; both pilots were Scaled employees.[17][18] On July 28, 2015, the NTSB released the final report on its investigation of the incident, concluding that for an unknown reason the pilot had released the "Feather" of SpaceShipTwo prematurely, leading directly to the craft's disintegration.

The absolute state of Virgin Galactic

Oh shit, Zubrin is doing a TV interview tomorrow morning.

https://twitter.com/robert_zubrin/status/1288682873923411968

>>11951825
>Starship launches Atlas V with Perseverance

>>11951829
They've been working on that ship for decades. It's barely made it to space and who knows when it will become fully operational for their commercial use.

>>11951832
>direct Trans-Neptunian Injection

>Hullo simultaneously virtue signaling about Francis Drake and suggesting consooooomer names like luke skywalker high and indiana jones high

>>11951832
>Starship launches Atlas V
LEMME GET THAT FOR YOU BRO, NO WORRIES

>>11951683
did you read what he typed? he said the real SpaceX revolution was that they built a cheap rocket
the fact that they're reusing it is just gravy

>>11951839
>Francis Drake
The big tiddy Fate version?

>>11951841
the scale is off, Super Heavy and SLS core stage are almost the same diameter

>>11951854
What about the preposed 18m Superheavy?

>>11951830
Can this guy fade into obscurity already

China will land on the Moon and dictate space.

Americans will be eternally BTFO and that will mark the end of America.

Can we launch big ships like this?

>>11951875
Just put it on a big enough launch vehicle and you're good son

>>11951841
>posting fake images

>>11951875
The payload to propellant ratio is too damn high. No.

>>11951882
Economical and patriotic.

>>11951882
no you

>>11951875
It fled. As we set fire to their planet.

>>11951882
that's more like it

The way to fix low interest in space is to find a way to bring resources from space back to Earth and profit from it.

How do we do this /sfg/?

>>11951913
Asteroid redirecting to LEO and tourism

>>11951913
colony drops

>>11951913
Grab a mostly gold asteroid, return to Earth.
Fuck markets.

>>11951913
Startup money is the hardest fucking part. If anyone in this general ever wins the lottery, you have to use it to start up a space company and give us all jobs - it's faggot code

>>11951933
>it’s spacex ninja code

>>11951913
>>11951921
like this

>>11951933
I'd mop floors for a promising startup.
Beats mopping floor for a Chilles.

>>11951913
Industrial scale zero G manufacturing, maybe? I bet people on Earth would pay good money for mega crystals.

>>11951867
>China lands a babby rover on the moon
>Starship lands on top of it

>>11951995
Like meth?

>inb4 spacex does 5 launches to mars in 2022 to massively test their capabilities

>>11951867
>Implying China didn't just launch an empty rocket payload so they can fake the landing

why is moxie a meme?

>>11952015
I was thinking single crystal quartz glass.

>>11952016
>one of the rovers spells out "ISRU" in kilometer long tire tracks in cursive
>Shelby dies

Perseverance launch webcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIB3JbIIbPU

Reminder that these two sat together in the small car tin can for a fortnight and never once did either one of them beat off, not one time.

Reminder that these two virile men sat together in the small car tin can for a fortnight and never once did either one of them beat off, not one time.

>>11952091
imagine the smell

>Perseverance collects samples it can‘t look at
>it‘ll just dump them somewhere
>need an entirely seperate mission with a seperate rover to actually retrace the path of perseverance and retrieve the samples
>but for some reason that rover cannot be expected to drill its own samples even though it‘s in the same areas
>this retrieval mission isn‘t even on the drawing board yet
>probably going to take until way into the 2030s for such a mission to work out
>chances are high there will be humans on Mars before that
Can Nasa stop being a joke for five minutes?

>>11951841
>solid rocket
>upper stage boosters

>>11952142
The intent is for human astronauts to collect the samples.

>>11952142
how much should SpaceX charge for a sample?

>>11952142
The rationale I've heard is that they want to collect samples robotically before any humans land so that there's a 0% chance of any contamination. No idea how valid of a concern that is though

>>11952101

I'm actually wondering how pissing, shitting and eating worked. You have to tend to yourself (wipe your ass), unless they had a hose up there.

>>11952144
see
>>11950654

>>11952149
And you can‘t give those guys a drill?

Big launches make me extremely extremely anxious. I should stop watching them.

>>11952149
I could collect a bigger sample with a FUCKING SHOVEL AND NO ROVER

Say 1 good, honest thing about SLS

>>11952192
It’s big I guess

>>11952194
Add it to the resume lmao

>>11952192
parts for Artemis 1 are finally arriving in Florida

>>11952192
I like orange.

>>11952161
IT'S GOING TO BE VERY OKAY ANON!

>>11951933
Hohohohoho go I would never hire anyone from here, although maybe someone can be the janny if they promise not to leave their cumsocks under the receptionists desk.

In respect, with respect to the advances and records set in space exploration generally, were the Space Shuttles a waste of money?

>>11952239
The Shuttle was never meant to stand alone. Full STS would have been cool.

>>11952192
It's ethically still better than SpaceX

>>11952246
Cringe

>>11952142
2030 NASA returns 200g of material back to Earth at a cost of 10 billions $ meanwhile every new Roadster2 in spacex performance option has Martian basalt details all over it and Musk has a desk made out of huge slab of Martian rock and his home has a driveway paved with Martian material.

>>11952246
What in what way mr. anon

>>11952265
>Musk has a desk made out of huge slab of Martian rock
with a twin in the Oval Office

>>11952273
Martian onyx supported by stainless steel frame made off first Starship returning from Mars

3 and a half hours...getting tired...

>>11952282
Nap.

>sending a car to mars
>5k watching
>watching someone else plays games
>25k watching
kill them all elon

>Did you know Big Bird was set to be on the Challenger? There is a timeline not far from this one where big bird died in the Challenger on live tv
lmao

>>11952301
>today's show is brought to you by Kentucky Fried Chicken

>>11952294
Hey man that just means lower competition for when I try to earn my way on to Mars

>>11952308
They were alive and uncooked until they hit the water, and were promptly turned into paste.

>>11952301
Died?

Starship's landing legs make me anxious. That bitch looks like it's gonna tip over.

>>11952319
I just remembered that there are people that think the crew of Challenger didn’t actually die and NASA faked the explosion for some reason.

>>11952294
Pretty sure FH had way more than 5k live viewers.

>>11952328
Perseverance. Currently 6.6k waiting on stream.

>>11952327
Yeah, there are also people who believe that NASA and SpaceX buys vast amounts of helium because rockets aren't really rockets, but balloons they use to fake launches.
America really should reopen their asylums.

>>11952360
You know most of those people and similar flat earther types are just trolling right?

>>11952371
Can barely fucking tell anymore. Last few years has gone so clown world that my detector is almost broken from constant overloading.

>>11952371
I believe in the great ice ball unironically.

>>11952391
>>>/x/
>>>/pol/

>>11952413
>>>/reddit/

>>11952242
a good space shuttle instead of the bad space shuttle we got would have been nice, but the government is incapable of doing anything good

Is elon mentally unstable or is he just a weird shit poster

>>11952439
weird shitposter

>>11952360
>>11952371
This >>11952373

>America really should reopen their asylums.
There's not enough for 62,984,828 + the current president

>>11952449
> There's not enough for 62,984,828 + the current president

Kek enjoy ducking off Biden while he cuts NASA’s exploration budget

Unironically though Scott Manley probably would.

>>11952439
Both

>>11952452
>Unironically though Scott Manley probably would

pls don't tell me they pozzed hullo man

>>11952455
Yeah Scott’s pretty Pozzed now. He’s always been liberal but lately he’s been pretty politically active on Twitter.

Worst though is Tim Dodd. On his livestream of Tianwen-1 he basically sucked off China and told everyone to stop criticizing themZ

>>11952459
Ugh gross, why can't cunts just shut the fuck up about politics and talk about space holy shit.

>>11952239
>were the Space Shuttles a waste of money?
Yes. The effort put into something which could only go to LEO was excessive.

>>11952192
Quality memes

space

>SpaceX's first Mars payload delivery
They've come a long way

>>11952503
what are you talking about/

>"launch"

>>11952452
>cuts NASA’s exploration budget
If we listen to Muskshills this is a good thing.

NASA went bad because each new president only cared about preserving the exact same jobs while asking for impossible missions (plant a flag on Mars). That's why SLS is made of refurbished component. There's no innovation because of how dysfunctional the US government is.
NASA would have to gut most of their programs, give up all the comfy job, and take the risk of new technologies.

The Donald didn't have much merit, all he did is send money toward the miraculous private company not suffering from this, if SpaceX had not been here the Donald would have played the same game of pretending to care for space in front of camera but only doing the minimum behind. I can't give you example without going full /pol/.

Let's just say that studying human physiology in µG and space technologies should have been the priority over any new landing.

Northrop Gridlock is looking down from heaven on this glorious day

>>11951114
if you sell self driving cars, you need to be sure you have 0% chance of miscalculating distance or missing a stop sign
not 0.00001%chance
you need 0% chance
because you as a manufacturer will be liable for any damage autonomous car will cause
and having a 100% fail-safe system based on electronics is practically impossible.

So, is everybody ready?

Only 20% chance of violating weather constraints today.
https://www.patrick.af.mil/Portals/14/Weather/Atlas V MARS2020 L-1 Forecast.pdf?ver=2020-07-29-081958-900

What IF it blows up?

>>11952534
Might not go on /sfg/ for like a month desu

>>11952534
>not AEIOU

>>11952534
It won’t. Knock on wood but Atlas V has a perfect record. I’m more scared of the skycrane and EDL.

>>11952548
it's a /biz/ meme
give me a quick rundown on AEIOU

>>11952549
The sky crane has a perfect record too.

>>11952524
>Let's just say that studying human physiology in µG and space technologies should have been the priority over any new landing.
I assume you’re talking about what should be NASA’s priorities? I agree with this. NASA should have been splitting money between their robotic missions to planets / studying effects in microgravity, orbital refueling, etc.

>>11952534
Expect chinese shills dabbing on USA.

>>11952552
Moonbase Alpha's fantastic TTS engine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdRYthkSwvI

>>11952559
I give it a week tops before they show up anyway talking about how its not important, and how great nations like China are already taking up the mantle of exploration of the solar system as is rightfully their destiny as the hedonistic Americans collapse in disarray or some similar shit. It's a common refrain that the future our politicians keep dishing them up is already firmly in their grasp.

Everyday reddit is so cringe it makes me embarrassed to be from the same species

Streams are live!
T- 1 hour

Everyday Astronaut : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcd7ePJ6nf8

WAI : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94klgf_50do

Jupiter when? Mars is gay.

>>11952566
Forgot the NASA one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJIn5iBE46E

Do launch sites check for random people camping with sniper rifles outside the launch pad?
Seems like the kind of crazy thing we have to worry about these days.

>>11952571
That's not the NASA one.
This is NASA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIB3JbIIbPU

>>11952572
I don't think people are allowed within a certain distance. I wonder if you could sneak in. When I went there it was pretty dense and shitty swamp/forest

>>11952573
well technically...

>>11952577
NSF is a fucking fansite.
So technically you're wrong.

>>11952301
At least he finally got to fly!

so is there a separate thread?

>>11952501
>Quality memes
This

Can they pin the new thread?

Curiosity was comfy. Good luck Providence.

>>11952595
Wrong name but that is a dope sounding ship/rover name

>>11952534
>

inb4 atlas V has a RUD

>2051
>very first return mission
lmao NASA cope

NASA just went live.

>>11952600
Derp. I must have used Providence in KSP.

Cute rover model.

>nasa stream
>gay white guy and black woman
Of course

>no dinos
what the FUCK

>>11952621
>gay
Proofs?
>inb4 because of the glasses he wears

>>11952595
>Providence
Propose that next time NASA has a naming contest.

wtf i love nasa now!

>>11952577
Launch Finland when?

>>11952626
I'm gay and my gaydar is pretty good

I was hoping for a ULA stream with crew audio, but no luck yet.

>>11952595
I can't wait to see Preclearance launch.

>>11952631
I'm pan my dude, I'm getting nothing

>>11952631
>>11952636
I knew /sci/ had a lot of faggots

why do people donate to well off streamers

>Open all streams
>Estonaut won't shut up
>NSF fag won't shut up
>Felix completely quiet for the past 10 minutes

>>11952640
Because fools and their money.

>self drives 200 meters per day
Seems abit slow still.

jesus christ I can feel my brain smoothing out just listening to them talk

>>11952630
Finland does have quite a lot of space related university projects, we famously made the plasm analyser for Phobos 1

Mustache!!!!

>>11952650
Remember this is to appeal to normies to try to get them interested in space again and to get them to write to their congressmen to fund NASA more

>>11952647
that's the equivalent to a F1 compared to previous rovers

Where's the sticky

>>11952654
Shame Phobos 1 was lost on the way.

>>11952647
That's a Mars surface speed record.

>20 stories proud
he's describing jims penis

>>11952664
I blame China for ruining that.

>>11952664
and the reason why was pretty dumb as well. Because an engineer ignored the advise of avoiding any commands given to the computer while the "spellcheck" computer was under maintenance.

>he didn't get a private tour in jpl during the launch

>do i take the shot, mr musk?