/sci/ - Science & Math

Are you crazy? Have you seen some of the shit that comes out of academia?

>>11936819
>it’s another episode of /sci/ thinking they understand politics and have genius political opinions despite knowing little to no serious knowledge regarding it

>>11936819
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Easiest way to spot underage kids.

>>11936832
I'm 28 though and my current occupation is assistant professor.

>>11936824
So what do you believe the population will be doing when automation becomes full scale. Should majority of society just sit at home and veg out on consumerist entertainment? Or perhaps no UBI and we can have record homeless. Or we can just forgo technological advancement to keep humans employed.

>>11936872
You write like a fucking teenager

>>11936891
only teenagers use ellipses? anyways it was meant for a line break

>>11936828
same story with econ, all so tiresome

>>11936901
>>11936828
why do you want to forgo a scientific society and focus on consumerism that will inevitably lead to people living off ubi and all of that ubi going to some corporation providing the bare essentials to life and some consumerist entertainment like vr games and tv

>>11936886
>Should majority of society just sit at home and veg out on consumerist entertainment?
Serious question - do you not honestly think that is happening already? If the public knew even 1/10th of how corrupt their governments are, they would be rioting in the streets. Yet nothing happens. Consume, enjoy and wait for the next product. Meanwhile, bankers and oil companies prosper.

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>>11936908
Nigga, you have a child's idealized view of what academia is. Anyone who has actually been in university doesn't have this reverence for academics you have. Most of them are resentful neurotics who are absolutely not fit to lead anything.

>>11936898
Yes, it a sign of insecurity. It's an attempt of making your text more colloquial and casual so you can back up the moment you get called out.

>>11936915
imo Academia needs to be led, not be the leader. They are explosive and somewhat dysfunctional, making them great for inventing and creating but not for leading. Especially now when they riot over statues and shit.

>>11936915
I'm in academia and primarily do computational work. My PhD is in CSE. Most of the faculty focus on their research and teachings. They wouldn't be leading the nation anyways. The leaders would still be admin types, but the schools themselves would be under a collective society that "employs" the people to progress scientific research.
>>11936922
How many professors are out pulling down statues? Why are bleeding heart liberals synonymous with academic workers? Should we base our views of university off the student that came here for fours years and left?
We have Jeff Bezos with Blue Origin and Elon Musk with SpaceX... They're out performing national laboratories and academia. Nvidia and BMW are leading autonomous cars. A lot of their employees are PhD holders and a lot of their work comes from academic articles. Academia should have its own space companies, energy companies, automation companies, etc.

>>11936940
The admin types in academia are the worst of all.

>>11936940
Because academia is not the STEM sperglord.
Academia is the humanities and the social pseudosciences.

It won't be the smart Physics professor to lead the country. It'd be the LGBT sociologist professor, the communist philosophy professor and the negress Gender Studies professor.

You suffer from autism, you don't understand those things.

>>11936940
As cruel as >>11936950 has put it, the stats back him up.
>Of the 1.8 million bachelor's degrees awarded in 2015–16, about 331,000 (18 percent) were in STEM fields. The percentage of bachelor's degrees awarded that were in STEM fields varied by race/ethnicity.
The idea that the engineers, doctors, dentists, lawyers etc. will govern the nation is just silly. There would be much more focus on reparations rather than Space flight.

When humans figure out how to build a free thinking ai that ai will be able to Reaserch and learn far faster than any humans ever could so academia is basically on the same timer

>>11937023
Automation and advanced ML will come a few centuries/millenia before a free thinking AI. Ofcourse I'm pulling that out of my ass but that's a huge hurdle. To do that we'd probably have to know exactly what makes us cognizant. But maybe you could argue that you don't necessarily need a conscience to do research or come up with innovative ideas.
Could an AI run some algs that will invent a wheel to move a heavy load a far distance without knowing the concept of a wheel

>>11936819
If there is something you must take from the current crisis is that as retarded as our governments are, universities are even worse at managing themselves. And all they have to do is make sure they put students in a room and have a professor with a PowerPoint presentation around. If they fuck up at that this badly imagine if you gave them an economy to run.

>>11936819
>one of the last bastions will be scientific researc
Why do brainlets think this? It's exactly the opposite. Science and research will be the first to fall. We're witnessing it going down right now. Robots still can't build houses or empty your trash can. "AI" can already derive GR and QM from experimental data without human interaction.

>>11937144
Can they create new concepts?

This is what you can look forward to OP when academia is in charge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14

>>11936963
Could you please provide a link to that data? I'm interested, thanks.

>>11937162
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/raceindicators/indicator_REG.asp

>>11936819
After reading the OP and your responses to people ITT, you seem to have the mentality and rational capabilities of a child. Anyone who keeps genuinely responding to you ITT has either fallen for your bait or wasting their time.

>>11936819
The university intellectuals also play an important role in carrying out the System's trick. Though they like to fancy themselves independent thinkers, the intellectuals are (allowing for individual exceptions) the most oversocialized, the most conformist, the tamest and most domesticated, the most pampered, dependent, and spineless group in America today. As a result, their impulse to rebel is particularly strong. But, because they are incapable of independent thought, real rebellion is impossible for them. Consequently they are suckers for the System's trick, which allows them to irritate people and enjoy the illusion of rebelling without ever having to challenge the System's basic values.

Because they are the teachers of young people, the university intellectuals are in a position to help the System play its trick on the young, which they do by steering young people's rebellious impulses toward the standard, stereotyped targets: racism, colonialism, women's issues, etc. Young people who are not college students learn through the media, or through personal contact, of the "social justice" issues for which students rebel, and they imitate the students. Thus a youth culture develops in which there is a stereotyped mode of rebellion that spreads through imitation of peers—just as hairstyles, clothing styles, and other fads spread through imitation.

>>11937175
>I live for the present

>>11936819
i hope academia is never in charge of governance

t. in academia

>>11937156
In a certain sense, yes. It's not too general right now, but apart from the full theories, they can simultaneously create effective (e.g. low-energy) theories. It all comes down to the data though.

>>11937171
Thank you, good sir.

>>11937054
Just knowing how ai works perhaps you can build a ai by making it try to invent things we already possess like a wheel now that it can make a wheel can it build a bike ect and build up to where we dont know then at that point could it use processes it already knows to create somthing new? That's all theory of coarse I'm not a software engineer or anything of the like

>>11936819
>science and math based on formal systems
>he thinks they're safe
yikes bro

>>11937156
can you?

>>11936819
>here me out

Into the trash it goes.

>>11937177

>I tried to warn you

Warn us of what? Fuck that worthless piece of shit and may death and suffering follow all of those who believe in that nutjob.

Ted is anti-science and preaches against technology, get the fuck out of your computer, burn it and live a primitive life-style, that is what he stands for.

Being a Kaczynski loving faggot on the internet is the same thing preaching about communism while using an Iphone.

>>11937452
>could it use processes it already knows to create somthing new?
Yes, that's already possible. I recently tried this with computational fluid dynamics. Train it to produce the correct flow field around various simple shapes in various rotations, and it can automatically predict the correct flow field around more complex objects.
There's a neat paper about it where they trained it on circles and polygons, then showed that it was able to predict flow fields around cars and airplanes etc.
There's also a paper from someone at MIT about predicting stress fields around cracks in materials. Same idea, works great.

>>11936872
Let me guess the college that has such a bright mind teaching is not precisely Harvard.

>>11936819
I don't understand what you are proposing exactly. How much time have you really spent in the upper echelons of academia? There's as much politics there as there is in government.
It sounds like you're looking at a name change and nothing more.

>>11937197
>robot scientist
I mean kind of. To the extent that the lab technician is a scientist. But all it does is free people up for more human-oriented work (and that's a good thing).
We used to have a research assistant and lab tech whose purposes were to repeatedly prepare batches of a formula we were testing. We got some extra money, bought a larger and less involved mixer. Now the lab tech is able to do all the formula batches himself and have free time left over to do other tasks. The research assistant now works on more documentation and I'm freed up to do only the most important documents and spend most of my day reading new research or trying novel ideas.

>>11936963
Not quite (look at pic related).
Seems like literally doctors would be the ones to lead the country. Social sciences seem to have a low number of doctoral degrees.

>source: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_ctb.asp?referer=raceindicators

>>11936819
This is retarded. Academia is really out of touch with society. Just look at the bullshit Chomsky says, it SHOWS how fucking out of tune academiafags are in relation with the general population. You either want a crazy dictatorship obsessed with progress (like China) or some retard like Chomsky idealizing the human nature without realizing how illiterate is the typical person.

that's right, give me unlimited power.

>>11938420

I would love to fist fight Kaczynski

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