/sci/ - Science & Math

First for being awake almost 24/7 and wanting to talk about spaceflight, even when it’s 5am and no one is awake. Also fuck boeing

first for depots

second for expendables

>>11865751
Hi remember to exercise

space flight

god I feel like shit, just want her back x

>>11865821
far and away the most A E S T H E T I C rocket there has ever been

>>11865816
Good advice, I need to get back into running. Gotta keep the mental health up

>wake up
>see this
wat do?

>>11865989
ask to see his rocket

>>11865821
imagine a timeline where apollo conquered the moon in the late 60s/70s then went on to conquer mars in the 80s/90s.
there would have probably been a permanent settlement on both this entire century.

>>11866012
we have failed him, lads

>>11866024
>von braun's nasa with permanent 5% gdp funding since the apollo program
we've thrown it all away

>>11865997
>nice "rocket"

>>11866053
i have the data on jessy's 'rocket'. goes like a brick in a washing machine.

>>11865725
How hot/cool is it in the moon?

>>11866134
260F in the sun
-280F in the shade

>>11866144
how did the astronauts stay cool

>>11865997

>>11866153
like with any good PC

>>11866153
>Lunar crews also wore a three-layer Liquid Cooling and Ventilation Garment (LCG) or "union suit" with plastic tubing which circulated water to cool the astronaut down, minimizing sweating and fogging of the suit helmet. Water was supplied to the LCG from the PLSS backpack, where the circulating water was cooled to a constant comfortable temperature by a sublimator.

>The porous plate sublimator had a metal plate with microscopic pores sized just right so that if the water flowing under the plate warmed to more than a user-comfortable level, frozen water in the plate would thaw, flow through the plate, and boil to the vacuum of space, taking away heat in the process. Once the water under the plate cooled to a user-comfortable temperature, the water in the plate would re-freeze, sealing the plate and stopping the cooling process. Thus, heat rejection with automatic temperature control was accomplished with no sensors or moving parts to malfunction.
>The Apollo liquid cooling garment was an open mesh garment with attached tubes to allow cooling water to circulate around the body to remove excess body heat when needed. The garment held the tubes against body for highly efficient heat removal. The open mesh allowed air circulation over the body to remove humidity and additionally remove body heat. In 1966, NASA bought the rights to the liquid cooling garment to allow all organizations access to this technology.

>>11866172
who /watercoolgang/?

>>11866177
Damn did it feel itchy?

>>11866177
>>The porous plate sublimator had a metal plate with microscopic pores sized just right so that if the water flowing under the plate warmed to more than a user-comfortable level, frozen water in the plate would thaw, flow through the plate, and boil to the vacuum of space, taking away heat in the process. Once the water under the plate cooled to a user-comfortable temperature, the water in the plate would re-freeze, sealing the plate and stopping the cooling process. Thus, heat rejection with automatic temperature control was accomplished with no sensors or moving parts to malfunction.
nice

>>11866229
When the topic of firearm watercooling in low pressure conditions came up in the other thread I was thinking of something like this. Instead of a big drum, a small micropore shroud.

>>11866260
>shooting on mars
what would that be like?

>>11866294
quieter, bullets would go a lot further. Training to use it properly with a suit would be awkward though

>>11866294
>negligible air resistance, .38g, few obstructions
Really good for long range, the horizon is the limit

>>11866307
>>11866311
>ula snipers from 30 miles away
who am i kidding ula will never go to mars lmao

>>11866320

>>11866260
>>11866294
I'd re-invent the wheel if you want space guns

caseless ammo has issue with chamber overheating, but a gun in space would overheat without some kind of active cooling anyway
so might as well do it
and why bother with gunpowder that has no other use to you? just feed the same bipropellent you would use for RCS into gun chamber and gun go boom
it would allow you to change ballistics
maybe you want maximum power to fire as fast and straight as possible, maybe you can get away with using up less fuel, maybe you don't want to blow a hole in ship's hull and maybe you want to lob a grenade at ballistic curve to hit ULA sniper hiding behind a hill

>>11866366
the future of 0g small arms is gyrojets

>>11866307
wouldn't making guns out of metal being impossible because it would fuse together in a vacuum

>>11866366
they need to make sure our weapons still work in earth atmosphere for the terran reclamation campaign of 2125

>>11866386
it's not a vacuum like well above orbit though, even a in such a thin atmosphere it would probably still work

>>11866366
>advanced propolox potato cannons
Yes.

>>11866386
Cover gun parts in a layer of oxide by exposing them to oxygen before putting them together.

>>11866397
pneumatic flechette rifles when

guns on mars, for what fucking purpose?

>>11866386
Cold welding only happens under very specific conditions. You probably wouldn't get it in a gun at all, but if you wanted to eliminate the possibility just make sure contact points are slightly different alloys

>>11866366
Re-inventing the wheel to eek out a bit of extra performance is one of the reasons NASA does shit like design million dollar pens. Also there are good reasons not to rely on pressurized tanks of liquid cancer (or alternatively cryogenic fluids) for infantry munitions.

>>11866376
If the ridiculously poor accuracy could be addressed the principle would make a good long range platform, but it will always suck close in

>>11866439
for kicking out the communists

>>11866439
repelling earthnoid scum

>>11866439
SHALL

>>11866439
nowhere to run terran scum

>>11866465

>>11866489
>asspoor (but beautiful) wasteland to single hyperpower in less than 200 years
yuros, chinks and communists need to lrn2deal

>>11866501
God Bless America
God Bless Government Contractors
God Bless ULA

>>11866489
Zoomers need to read a book and realize that the framers hated the government a thousand times more than they do.

O say can you see by the dawn's early light

>>11866511
The Framers thought the Constitution wasn't ideal, but they thought that it was better than the Articles of Confederation and figured they gotta try something.

>>11866508
god bless a society that allows this grain silo with an engine attached to not only happen, but to also attract serious backing and to have some of the best minds on the planet working on it.
i'm not american and i'll change my tune when i see a german, japanese, brit, french, whoever equivalent to just spacex, let alone spacex with starship going on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpmXyJrs7iU

I just remembered this was actually a thing

>>11866516

>>11866516
Quite magnifizent, ja?

>>11866526
>>11866531
It was a great feat of American engineering.

>>11866537
If the moon landin' was real how'd they'd get this shot?
you dumb morons think we actually went to the moon haha

>>11866524
Shit couldn't happen anywhere else. They're all more scared of looking silly when they fail to take a risk even if the reward is new worlds to conquer.

>>11866524
Bless this based african-american and his japanese allies

>>11866541
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_TV_camera
>Starting with Apollo 7, a camera was carried on every Apollo command module (CM) except Apollo 9. For each lunar landing mission, a camera was also placed inside the Apollo Lunar Module (LM) descent stage's modularized equipment stowage assembly (MESA). Positioning the camera in the MESA made it possible to telecast the astronauts' first steps as they climbed down the LM's ladder at the start of a mission's first moonwalk/EVA. Afterwards, the camera would be detached from its mount in the MESA, mounted on a tripod and carried away from the LM to show the EVA's progress; or, mounted on a Lunar Roving Vehicle (LRV), where it could be remotely controlled from Mission Control on Earth.
tl:dr - There was a remote controlled camera placed away from the ascent vehicle

>>11866544
idgaf about their nationality. the us is the only country whos systems allow for such an enterprise to form, exist and flourish. that a s.african and a jap should have to go to the usa to get this shit done should be an embarrassment to their home nations.

>>11866544
>african-american
XD

>>11866551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeFDxsWBhaw

>>11866555
>this post
>this date
>those trips
Truly a blessed Fourth. We may just make it, lads!

>>11866555
Checked and based in all forms.

>>11866524
It really is a beautiful country. Can't imagine living anywhere else. Europe has the quality of living but doesn't have anything close to the opportunity. I would welcome them to step their game up though. Cooperation has to be the way forward. Would suck if we did all that work to get into space just to have another world war over it. Just hope the Chinese don't fuck it all up.

>>11866581
>Europe has the quality of living
ehh... not doing it because space flight but not really.
opportunity is the key word in that. i can't imagine a regulatory agency anywhere in europe allowing the kind of program starship is on. even just the static testing would get fucked by bureaucracy.

>>11866441
>design million dollar pens
wasn't that misinformation?
the pens were done independently by a pen company and just sold some to nasa for peanuts

>>11866311
>>11866320
the Martian horizon is only 3400m away, so you wouldn't be able to make insanely long shots without maybe having a drone spotter or something, such that you can arc your shot like artillery.

>>11866598
>i can't imagine a regulatory agency anywhere in europe allowing the kind of program starship is on.
What would they even regulate against?

>>11866607
deerstand.jpg
But yeah that's why I mentioned the horizon, because under most circumstances you will be able to shoot as far as you can see

>>11866613
>hi we'd like to pressure test some experimental rocket tanks using cryogenic nitrogen but cause of the experimental nature of the project it might spill over some plants n shieet
we need a 5 year environmental impact assessment, 10 million euros in newt protection infrastructure, local and national government approval, and some women with dicks may object last minute.
>we also want to strap a rocket engine to that tank and hover it about
lolno

>>11866598
Western Europe definitely can match american living standards.

SpaceX is either gonna give everyone a kick in the pants, or is just gonna be adopted by everyone in the west. I really want to see how China and Russia are gonna deal in a post-starship world. Gonna be pretty pathetic if China finally finishes LM-9 and gets 2 people to the moon sometime in the 2030s only to have SS getting 100 people there like nothing.

Who makes orbital/lunar/mars habs?
If you want a company to invest in it's probably them.

>>11866639
>Western Europe definitely can match american living standards.
depends which part, even down to district. much like america.
imo russia is done, its corpe is twitching via it's nukes but that's it. china is so far behind that it could never catch up with usa+nato+protectionism if that's the way the west went.

>>11866644
You can believe in the current crop of space incumbents or startups if you like, I haven't seen one I have much faith in. Maybe SNC since they're pursuing inflatables which at least have a future, but they are private. SpaceX is of course private and any of Elon's further ventures. The closest you are going to get is whatever industrial partners SpaceX uses.

>>11866644
Axiom Space, but like all good potential companies they're private

>>11866652
>The closest you are going to get is whatever industrial partners SpaceX uses.
poor attitude.

>>11866134
>>11866144
It isn't always that bad in the sun, only when it is directly overhead. The mission timing was chosen to spare the astronauts the hottest part of the lunar day. It was still pretty hot on the latter part of the surface stay, though, like 130 degrees F.

The suit insulation wasn't perfect, either.As it became hotter they made comments that implied that they could feel it through their suits, "it's gonna be hot today," etc.

>>11865734
this promises to be a very busy month for spaceflight!

>2 CZ-4B Gaofen-X, BY70-2 (3rd 3:10 UTC)
>4 CZ-2D Shiyan Weixing-6
>4 Electron Canon, 5xSuperDove, Faraday-1
>8 Falcon 9 Starlink #9, 2xBlackSky
>10 CZ-3B Apstar-6D
>11 KZ-11 Xiaoxiang-4, etc. (maiden), BiliBili?
>14 Falcon 9 Anasis-II
>14 H-IIA Al Amal (Mars)
>15 Minotaur IV NROL-129 (Corona delay)
>20 Astra NSLSat 1 (maiden) (failed DARPA challenge on 3rd; pad anomaly on Mar 23rd)
>23 Soyuz-2a Progress MS-15
>23 CZ-5 TianWen-1 (Mars)
>25 Falcon 9 SAOCOM-1B (Corona delay)
>28 Ariane 5 Galaxy 30, MEV-2, BSAT-4b
>29 Proton 2xEkspress (replaced defective screws)
>30 Atlas V Mars 2020 rover (Perseverance)

plus a bunch more Chinese launches possible, maybe another Starlink and Electron launch, a second Virgin Orbit test flight, and maybe some of the Indian launch backlog if they lift their quarantine.

>>11866656
You're right, go invest in those guys that have no capital and want to start with a rotating orbital port with 50 dreamchasers built by robots

>>11866604
yeah, every single fact about that little story was wrong
1) NASA started with regular (mechanical) pencils
2) pencils leave conductive graphite tips and dust floating around and potentially cause a short circuit somewhere
3) regular ball pens work fine in zero G
4) the space pen was privately developed and NASA spent zero dollars on their development
5) Russians bought hundreds of said space pens from said private company themselves

>>11866666
can't argue with those quints. i'd just like to think of spacex as the ford of solar system travel, and that many competitors and spin off technologies totally unrelated to the goal of yeeting shit into leo will come out of it. the it's elon or nothing attitude depresses me.

>>11866676
Of course people will follow SpaceX' footsteps and new industries will start up off-world once the concept is proven and the infrastructure is in place. But most of the names that will be relevant then are going to be basically unknown or impossible to predict right now without a crystal ball, and most of what could even be considered good candidates are private. As they should be as being public when you have the intention to take risks is a fucking pain, just as Elon visa vis Tesla.

>>11866648
Oh yeah, Russia is really sad. Which is a shame, I would love to see them rejoin the world stage. China can use the west fracturing to its advantage. NATO needs to hold if we want china at bay. Staying friends with the GCC can't hurt either. Want to see the West help their space programs.

>>11866652
>>11866655
>>11866656
Obviously private companies are no help. Most pure-play space companies are too, SPCE, I, MAXR.

Defense contractors are probably the most likely candidates to get splashed with money by various governments:
Lockheed
Northrup & ATK(Shame about the godforsaken love of solids through.)
Boeing
Teledyne
BWX Tech(pic rel)
Airbus (50% ArianeGroup and other stuff)
Safran(Other 50% of ArianeGroup and other defense shenanigans)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtE_61ZR67Y
Assembly of an RS-25.

>>11866719
Yeah... That'll be 100 million dollars

A lot of starship promo art shows it going to Saturn. Would that actually be possible with the current design? Musk claims a fully fueled starship has around 7 km/s delta v, which would indeed make some of the 7-10 year transfers possible. It looks like reducing the transfer to three years usually ups the delta v to around 10 km/s, which wouldn't be possible unless the starship had massive tanks slung to it. Given that current plans have the refueling taking place from ass to ass (so no burns are possible with a tanker attached), do you guys think there's any other way to get starships out to saturn?

>>11866748
>A lot of starship promo art shows it going to Saturn. Would that actually be possible with the current design?
From callisto or ganymede maybe?

>>11866748
Launch refueled from Mars, use a bunch of used cargoships as boosters

>>11866748
whoops, forgot to attach the image

>>11866748
Launch from Mars and refuel in orbit.

>>11866748
>A lot of starship promo art shows it going to Saturn.
Probably because Saturn is THE sci-fi destination due to it's rings. SpaceX wants to sell the idea that they're bringing the sci-fi future to the present.

>https://trajbrowser.arc.nasa.gov/traj_browser.php
Woah, this is cool.

Anyone got an idea for a portable GPS that could help you navigate in space?
Trying to write a story about a superman using his powers to carry base materials to the moon, mercury and mars but need a way to make it possible for him to navigate.
>fly to the moon
>fly back to earth, easy
>which way is mercury?
>just fly towards the sun lmao
>alright i'm here, how do i get back to earth?
>dunno haha

Postan some stitching projects that I did ages ago. The raw pictures are here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums

>>11866786
>Anyone got an idea for a portable GPS that could help you navigate in space?
There's already work being done on Galactic Positioning System software that uses known pulsars instead of satellites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWTsgofF2Lo

>>11866786
Startrackers.

>>11866796

>>11866785
You might want to check this too
https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/?mdesign
It doesn't work with any actual planets but a lot of the larger asteroids and KBOs show up

>>11866786
pulsar navigation
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2018/nasa-team-first-to-demonstrate-x-ray-navigation-in-space

>>11866811

>>11866748
Refill a Tanker and a Starship in LEO, boost both onto a highly elliptical orbit until both vehicles have half of their maximum propellant load, dock them together, transfer propellant across, Starship is now on a highly elliptical orbit with full tanks and burns at periapsis to transfer to Saturn intercept orbit, Tanker just does a tiny burn at apoapsis to come down into the atmosphere for landing next periapsis. Transfer to Saturn possible without even needing expended propellant tanks or hardware.

>>11866748

From what I know, SpaceX doesn't plan to go from Earth to Saturn directly, or even from Mars to Saturn directly, but rather hop throughout the solar system, colonizing ceres after Mars, then the galilean moons, then titan and the larger saturnian moons

>>11866840
Right now anything aside from the Moon and Mars is pure inference aside from some passing mentions and imagery of Saturn. I wouldn't say they have really have a plan that far.

>>11866868
we have this tweet
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1170983609492103168

>>11866830
that's nice, but it wouldn't have enough TWR

>>11866813
Thanks!

>>11866891
it could probably get the starship and it's directly connected booster pretty damn high

>>11866024
Silly Von Braun, thinking people gave a shit about space

The new KSP update keeps crashing

>>11866912

NASA stuck on a space access model where each launch is a billion dollars and liking it too much.

>>11866871
Oh nvm then, nice.

>>11866891
Launch it barely fueled and assemble it in orbit

Just ferried my first tourist. Got a load of Reputation from it, but no cash. It was easier than I thought though.

>>11866920
What conditions are making it crash? I haven't had the game crash on me yet after this update.

>>11866950
What are the specs on that potato?

>>11866950
I'm making a huge Duna rocket carrying a rover and it crashes on the VAB. It's also been crashing on accent.

>>11866922
Big Jim is trying his damnedest to stop that. I just know he's trying to find a way to quietly kill the monkey on NASA's back that is SLS, which is why I don't think it's ever going to launch more than twice.
His ability to play oldspace politics while also inducing a culture change at NASA towards newspace attitudes will probably cement him as one of the best administrators that the agency has ever had.

>>11866958
It's a Dell G5.

>>11866964
How many parts does it have? It might be too much. Try removing some parts to see how the game handles it.

*ding ding ding* AHEM,
Happy independence day, fuck Boeing, space niggers and space jannies

Are we getting spoiled? We're seeing rocket launches every week or so, yet I feel like we haven't had enough launches. This is what happens when expectations rise over/over again due to tremendous success rate in the last few years right?

>>11866977
alright bro

>>11866981
There's an Electron launch in about six hours from NZ.

>>11866981
Yeah. I hope that by the time the decade is out, we'll be disappointed when there's a DAY without a launch.

>>11866981
>Are we getting spoiled? We're seeing rocket launches every week or so, yet I feel like we haven't had enough launches.
No, you're right, we haven't. We need at the very least, tens or hundreds of launches per week with thousands of tons into orbit per week if we want to become a true space fairing civilization. And that is what starship is for.

>>11866786
star trackers are good enough for solar system travel. Heck, modern algorithms are good enough to use with just the front/back cameras and processor of a cell phone!

Pulsars for interstellar travel.

>>11866786
stars and sextant
just like the old mariners

The F9 launch after Wednesday's Starlink mission is carrying a South Korean military commsat, ANASIS-II. Have they ever launched a defense payload for a non-USA customer? I wonder what that authorization process looks like between the US and SK.

>>11867027
The SK military is basically a colonial militia aligned with the US military, so probably pretty straightforward.

>>11866465
>>*blocks egress paths from your room*
>>*depressurizes room*
100% clean dissident removal. Can even be done at the push of a button. I mean even Tesla's have some of their battery capacity locked away from the user in software. The habs could have their life support and doors controlled by software too.

gamer moment

>>11867077
>not wearing your own respirator

>>11867077
I, too, have seen Total Recall

>>11867094
The all egress paths have been blocked, eventually you'll run out of air.

>>11866439
Shooting people, obviously. You’re a dumbass if you think there will ever be peace and no crime.

>>11866986
He said niggers, not black people.

>>11866581
Europe is a communist hellhole. Can’t own an AR-15, not living there.

>>11867135

>>11866581
I didn't realize Ariane was a hydrolox core and SRBs like the Shuttle or SLS. Was everyone in spaceflight just retarded in the 80s?

>>11867187
>Was everyone in spaceflight just retarded in the 80s?
Risk aversion. Hydrolox was the norm, so they went with a known quantity.

>>11867187
For the Ariane 5's goals, the design makes some sense. Its primary planned payloads were GEO satellites, and a high-efficiency long-burntime stage is best for GEO transfers. The boosters were also derived more directly from ICBMs rather than the custom boosters like on the Shuttle.

>>11865997

>>11866891
yes it would, standard starship super heavy has a TW higher than 2

>>11866294
Thanks for asking this Ive been thinking of this all week
>>11866307
>>11866311
I guess bringing a .22 would be fine then? I mean all you need to do is breach the other person’s suit. Dumb question but would the lighter gravity help with kickback from a huge caliber? I love the idea of firing a Martini-Henry on Mars

>>11867161
Based, there’s a clear difference. Niggers are just as bad as obese white trash greasers

>>11866307
>>11866311
>The God of war's angels of death. When Father Mars calls, the Rust stalkers answer the call
>Each Rust Stalker is equipped with sealed, armoured pressure suits that allow survival on mars and in a vacuum for weeks and a distinctive hooded duster rust red that camouflages them across the sandy dunes of their home world
>For long range, they're equipped with the 50. caliber rail rifle often call the "Spear of Mars" and the "Dome Breaker"
>For counterterrorism and hostage situations in the crowded hive cities, the 50 round M-50 bullpup assault rifle and the standard issue Variable Leathality Service Pistol that can incapacitate as well as kill
>If all else fails, the Rust Stalker can fall back on their trusty mattock for hand to hand combat as well as digging out rovers and trenches

When was Demo 1 planned to come back down?

SpaceX will not survive the glorious Antifa revolution

>>11867283
Demo-2.
And tentatively 2nd of August was the latest I heard.

>>11867283
You mean Demo 2?
2 August. With Crew 1 going up mid September.

>>11867027
yes for Germany

>>11866665
>25 Falcon 9 SAOCOM-1B (Corona delay)
Looking forward to the Cuba flyover

We need to start Space Propaganda, Humanity's future lie within the stars.

Humanitas Ad Astra Per Aspera

>>11867340
Is it gonna be able to be seen from miami?

>>11866524
it looks like they just piled a little dirt up under the landing feet to make it look like it's supported by them

>>11867346
or use our time better as an independent R&D lab

>>11866950
>orbit
>1021m/s
holy shit stock ksp is weird

>>11867347
Yes

>>11867187
Ariane 5 was the most cost-effective launcher for GTO so far - prove me wrong
partially expendable Falcon Heavy costs about the same as Ariane 5 (120-140M) for slightly lighter payload to GTO
Ariane 6 will be actually cheaper than fully reusable FH (70M vs. 90M) AND have bigger payload capacity (to GTO)
Falcon still completely blows it out of water when it comes to LEO though

>>11867351
That’s a sub-orbital flight, not an actual orbit. “Orbit” is just a mode of the navball that ignores the body’s rotation, whereas “surface” compensates for it. Actual LKO velocity is about 2200ms

>>11867346
This.

post your orbital debris

>11867289
>commies can't even grow food
Doubt it.

>>11867251
Small hole = slow loss of pressure. A "good enough" seal for getting home wouldn't be that hard either. Shoot to kill.
Recoil should be slightly worse if anything. Inertial equation hasn't changed but you're less planted. The difference probably isn't very significant on Mars.

>>11867423
>>11867289
just trying to figure out what that post was, I'm feeling lazy and it's easier just to post than to look up those numbers.

>>11867362
Wow, sweet.

>>11867403
I've deorbited most of my debris but almost all of it is beyond Kerbin

>>11867403
Soulless but structured naming pattern

>>11867489
Mirin naming

>>11866950
fuck I miss playing ksp so much but my computer got fried and I'm poor. When I get around to getting a new decent one I'm gonna play the shit out of it

>>11867365
interesting how there can be such a difference

Rocket Lab launch TODAY

https://youtu.be/5ZcZoDFYjXc

T-30 min

>>11867365
Ariane really is based.

I miss the spaceplanes bros...
When's the next one coming around?

>>11867508
>Soulless but structured naming pattern
ehehhehe there's actually like 3 different naming patterns in there, it's a mess
currently I've given up on naming the actual hardware because everything is developing so fast and just settled on sequential missions for each program (zenit for my manned flights, fakel for general scientific probes, so on), but I think I will need to dig out my GRAU knockoff scheme that I developed for COADE designs and adapt it to KSP for keeping track of all my saved parts soon

>>11867568
X-37B has been doing missions but very little coverage since it's mostly classified.

I would have liked the Dream Chaser to become one of the ISS crew transport vehicles. I bet that would have been a comfy ride back down

>>11867568
>I miss the spaceplanes bros...
I too miss them, like bowel cancer.

>>11867568
Dream Chaser did win a contract to deliver cargo. If it does well, they may continue development for its original purpose to transport crew, if not for the US, then perhaps for Europe.

>>11867553
gonna b windy lol

>>11867614
better than the rest of the week, which is why they pulled the launch a day earlier (for once)

>>11867553
Fucking memelords.

Question about Starship, in its final form. Will Starship + Super Heavy look more “polished” when it is finished, or will it look like crumpled sections of stainless steel welded together in sections (like we are seeing now with the prototypes)
The original concept art for ITS and Starship showed a white vehicle, but then it changed to a nice looking polished stainless steel. Everything we’ve seen, however, has been this weird prototype-like crumpled stainless steel. Idk how else to explain it... I attached a shitty photo to help get my point across better.

>>11867553
It's LIVE

>>11867667
It's probably gonna be more polished
The prototypes look crumpled because they're being manhandled and really just need to hold together structurally as they're test platforms rather than finished products

Elon Musk is cancelled bros, spacex is done for
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1279471909906702336

>>11867667
they'll smooth out as soon as they are pressurized

>>11867683
>Try to cancel Elon out of the internet
>Elon just activates Starlink sooner
>Elon cancels everyone else

>>11867669
>it's livestock
such a pastoral launch site!

>>11867667
the welding proccess will be completely automated and in a clean room, plus it'll be the spacex internal alloy, and they'll probably polish it even further with some sort of device. Won't be perfect but will look somewhat like this picture of starship near saturn >>11866760

>>11867692
>such a pastoral launch site!
It's New Zealand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Rt_0Y-ns0

>>11867689
the ultimate dab

Couldn't you easily turn Dragon XL into a hydrolox space tug to boost starships and probes to places past Mars faster?

>>11867698
>spacex internal alloy
No, the entire point of going stainless steel was to go for something completely off the shelf, like 304L and the like. This is not fucking engine combustion chamber exotic black magic metallurgy.

>>11867705
Probably. Almost no info has been provided for Dragon XL and Elon has avoided talking about it. It's probably still a developing design.

1 mil til kiwi launch

Unironically what is the point of rocket lab. Their business model is about to get swallowed up by competition. Have they announced plans for larger rockets in the future?

Launch! and you can tell from the vapor trail that it was windier than usual.

Can always count on RocketLab for a /comfy/ launch

>>11867735
Its a young industry, lots of stuff is gonna get tried.

>>11867735
nope Beck says so.Their business model is to offer extremely quick cadence / scheduling / custom orbits. Cost aint everything

>>11867710
Wrong. It has been stated many times that they are switching to an internal steel alloy they call '30X' or something like that. They are planning to make the switch at the end of this year.

>>11867737
seco, just in time. Looks like something on the first stage was becoming delaminated.

>>11867743
Hmm good point. They get fucked by the wind a lot tho

>>11867710
are you retarded? elon musk stated that spacex is working on their own alloy (only known to us as 30x currently), and since it is developed by spacex, it is an internally developed alloy

>>11867747
I assumed it was just a decal or something

>>11867743
beck has mentioned wanting to explore venus, i wonder if 15 or so years in the future they will work on their own super heavy lift vehicle to colonize venus

is it dead?

>>11867744
>>11867750
>30X
Yeah, as in 30whatever they'll pick out off the shelf that suits their purpose best.
lol, learn stainless steel, kids.
30X means one thing, they ain't gonna be reinventing the wheel.

t. formerly certified stainless steel, aluminium and titanium welder.

Are SRB's obsolete?

>>11867754
they just claimed they are still getting good telemetry, just degraded video signal

Looks like the battery hot swap failed or something. The rocket was falling.
RIP Electron

An Electron rocket just flew over my house

>>11867710
They've been talking abut this for a while.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1238952612562489344

Also, the reason they switched to steel was that they found it to be ultimately superior in performance due to its thermal properties while being much cheaper compared to carbon fibre or aluminum. That will still hold true with their internal steel which is just their preferred formulation for 300 series steel, not some wild new supermetal. Remember that this is a vehicle that should ultimately have a long lifetime and be expended rarely, they will absolutely get more value out of making it perform better or last longer than they will going for the absolute minimum cost on steel which is not a cost driver for the product in the least.

>>11867744
>>11867750
SpaceX does metallurgy now? I feel like that fucks up cost. I mean maybe they’re doing R&D on it and they are going to find a company to source it.
Also another question (which probably won’t have an answer): I assume once Starship becomes a thing Elon will EVENTUALLY want to make ITS a real thing. Will it use stainless steel as well? (again, no one probably knows. Just curious if Elon has said anything about it though)

>>11867755
elon literally said spacex is developing their own alloy though?
>Will move to internally developed alloys probably end of year.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1238952612562489344?lang=en

Mission control folk looking nervous and no more telemetry data shown on screen.

Bros..

>>11867768
No, Elon will never make ITS a thing. Rather he will make an 18 meter diameter starship 2.0. ITS design got scrapped because it would never work the way SpaceX wanted it to, simple as that.

F(eelsBad) for Rocket Lab

>>11867769
PR bullshit, they're playing with off the shelf shit. 304L might be slightly more expensive than regular 304, but it's still as off the shelf as it gets as in anything else in the 30X classification.

>webcast ended
cowards

>>11867779
>no no, what elon literally said himself is just "pr bullshit", I AM the final authority on what SpaceX will be doing"
nonsense

>>11867784
Elon says lots of things.

>>11867776
Alright thanks, that’s still fucking awesome though. Starship is already a beast; an 18 meter diameter upgrade will he the craziest thing ever. I assume the first stage will have like 50 engines hahah

>tfw juggling probe orientation and data transmission to make it through maneuvers without running out of power from my shitty fixed solar panels and also transmit data home
at least dish antenna doesn't have to be actually pointed in right direction in KSP or this would be fucking pain in ass

pics or it didn't get to orbit top kek

https://youtu.be/NuEceMFnf_Y

Everyday Astronaut live now and just noticed in the replay that the speed started to slow down during the battery swap time.

That's unfortunately, hope RocketLab can figure it out and keep going

>>11867794
oops, ejected the full battery by accident!

>>11867792
Lmao

Reminder that if you were to listen to everything "Elon said", Starship would already be flying and made of fucking carbon fiber.

>>11867779
>the point is demonstrated objectively
>keep arguing anyway
Why do they do this

>>11867799
>Playing KSP and time warping but the batteries run out in the middle of the mission

Hotswap failed clearly. Mission 13 though, so something fucky was expected

>>11867802
See the post above you. Elon says lots of thing.

>>11867806
Mission 13? Damn no company will ever launch a "13" mission after this.

>>11867794
Obligatory fuck estrogen astronaut but yeah out of all streams him and his chat noticed quickly. Sad for rocket lab right after getting dropped by the Pentagon

>>11867808
No wonder there was no Gemini XIII as well. Also Apollo XIII for obvious reasons
F

>Electron Rocket crashed into a Starlink sat

>Mission 13 fails
Cosmic laws working just fine. F

>>11867817
~150km up, that's a pretty mean feat if so.

At least it GOT past the Karman Line. Gotta look at the silver lining

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZcZoDFYjXc

22 mins
Electron slows down and begins to fall as video cuts off.
F's in the chat

>>11867809
Why do people hate him, he is cringey but not in a bad way. Just in a man-child way. It's forgivable

>>11867826
>Pics or it didn't happen
>Stream cuts
>Battery hotswap fails
>No pics
>It falls
Oops. Pick a better mission name next time, memelords.

>>11867807
No one can predict the future (except for Elon's timelines which everyone knows are optimistic). We know SpaceX's reasoning behind steel and no it wasn't "use as much off the shelf steel as possible", and we know their intentions which at this point and for a long time now have been to develop their own internal steel. That could change, but you can't just say it will change just because sometimes Elon changes his mind about things.

>>11867830
Going for unlucky 13 on this one

>>11867830
Didn't even think about the name, it's oddly appropriate now

>>11867829
I personally like that he is able to get interviews with people like the NASA admin and rocket company CEOs. I think he's going to try to interview Tory Bruno next

>>11867831
>We're going to switch to some black magic steel later down the line!
>But we're calling it the same as bog standard 30x grade steel
Well, aside from the whole "test bog standard steel now and swap it out for untested black magic metallurgy" bullshit, the whole 30x grading is a bit of a giveaway that they're not going to be developing jack shit.

>>11867829
It's because he is soi as fuck and is a libcuck. Fuck Estrogen (((Astronaut)))
Cosmonauts would rape him into the Kazakhstan Steppes

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1279531664759091200
>An issue was experienced today during Rocket Lab's launch that caused the loss of the vehicle. We are deeply sorry to the customers on board Electron. The issue occurred late in the flight during the 2nd stage burn. More information will be provided as it becomes available.
F

>>11867817
ELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

You can see the hull, or a decal separating mright before meco, any takes on that? I mean it could just be a sticker, but there's definitely something separating that shouldn't come off. and it looks too thick for just a sticker.

>>11867848
The soi is pretty thick, and he strikes me as a feminist star wars consoomer... but has he ever brought up his politics on twitter?

>>11867829
He just stopped covering the failed launch to lecture his chat about how tribalism is bad and you have to be more progressive

>>11867845
300 series steel is already in their performance target zone. Why would they go outside of it? The fact that they're talking about their own formulation of 300 series and not some super special magic alloy makes it MORE likely to happen, not less.

>all these streams using fucking kmh or mph instead of m/s
fuck you guys stop hurting my brain

>>11867858
A lot of the company he keeps is proof of it, TMRO for example is riddled with gays and trannies

>>11867854
Ignore the facecam, I just picked "a" stream.

>>11867864
You need to appeal to the normies and smooth brains unfortunately

Fellas... Is it too big?

You DID buy launch insurance, right?

>>11867854
Nah, it was just their stupid battery pack setup shit that failed.

>>11867860
>their own formulation of 300 series
Get the fuck out of here. Throw off the balance and you end up with Chinese junk steel that's not worth jack shit so they're not gonna bother. That's why they're experimenting right now using high chrome content 304. Fuck, they might even test 316 and 316L before they're done, but that shit is not cheap and would defeat part of the point of switching to stainless steel.

Because yes, cost was a very big part of making that switch.

>>11867874
>that height
>only 5.2km/s
based 50cm lead wall stock fuel tanks

>>11867874
Needs more boosters or you're playing KSP wrong

>>11867877
>ULA stays afloat through various fronts that sell insurance protection against rocket snipers
>Rocket Lab didn't pay their dues

>>11867874
Add more booster dmitri

>>11867874
Needs more srbs

is this enough boosters guys

>>11867906
Depends how you stage them. If you activate them all at the same time or don't stage them gradually through fuel lines, you could be wasting dV capacity.

>>11867911
>not hitting max q within 2 seconds of ignition
BRUH

>>11867906
based Conestoga

>>11867878
Elon has outright stated they are developing their own alloy so your opinion isn't worth shit lmao

>>11867878
>Get the fuck out of here. Throw off the balance and you end up with Chinese junk steel that's not worth jack shit so they're not gonna bother.
https://twitter.com/thomasbroadfoot/status/1198706655300653056
More of Elon talking about his plans, explicitly saying it will be a 30X variant. Cybertruck this time, but he has made it explicitly clear that they will use the same alloy as well just in case you want to go down that road.

>>11867918
Yeah, he outright stated it was going to be made of carbon fiber too.
lol, "30X". Does the X stand for Chemical X?

>>11867885
>>11867891
>>11867897
Turns out not enough thrust at launch.
MORE BOOSTERS ARE ON KOLYA!

I’m not superstitious, but it is kinda funny how “Mission 13” has failed on a few launches. RocketLabs failure isn’t going to help ease people’s superstitions haha.

Also why did it fail? Was it because of that retarded battery setup?

Also in other news SN5 is doing well. She passed her cryo but didn’t make much fuss over it.

Zey won't take ze pics

>>11867929
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_(mathematics)

>>11867938
I'm not the struggling to understand what off the shelf stainless steel grading means here.

>>11867933
They are investigating, no one knows for sure yet.

I wonder if NASA would consider skipping the "Crew-13" mission designation for ISS flights

>>11867944
You know a lot more about stainless than the guy making the stainless steel rocket. Why aren't you making stainless steel rockets, guy?

>>11867949
I know a lot more than you. Spoiler: If they were formulating a "special alloy", they wouldn't be calling it "30X".
Because that's an international grading of steel. Custom alloys are not graded that way because quite simply, they're fucking custom made.

>>11867947
>“Hello everyone and welcome to the SpaceX launch of uh”
>Shuffles script
>”The SpaceX launch of... Crew 12 Part II: The Sequel”

>>11867960
Crew-12.5

>>11867698
>the welding proccess will be completely automated and in a clean room
Didn't he say he wants Starship to be assembled by college graduate instead of rocket scientist?

>>11867568
Black Ice. Somewhere in 2030.

>>11867960
>launch M

>>11867568
It's always been here

>>11867854
its just the electron decal on the side probably

>>11867976
College graduates will be operating the machines. The mexican welders in Boca Chica are just for quick R&D building. Think of Thomas Edison making the Model T. It was effective because he automated a bunch of stuff and each person only had to do a few things using machines

>>11867959
>Will move to internally developed alloys probably end of year.
>301 is certainly fine for orbit, but SpaceX 30X will be better.
>It’s a new variant of 300 series stainless steel

t. Elon. If you look at that and conclude something other than an intention to use a new, internally designated formula based off of 300 series stainless, you're mentally compromised. Bitching about the naming is meaningless, this is a description of what they are doing, not the semantic designation of the finalized product.

>>11868010
Yeah and last year it was carbon fiber. Elon says lots of things, learn to separate shit from shinola.

>>11867959
They can call it whatever they want you dumb cunt, is the international steel gestapo going to sue him? No one gives a fuck faggot.

>>11867990
nevermind then

>>11868024
You're missing the point entirely. Go learn about metals instead of slobbering over his tweets.

>>11868034
Ok internet metallurgist.

>>11867987
now THIS is a shuttle

>>11867568
>When's the next one coming around?
Mike McCullough claims he finally cracked an EM Drive with visible light instead of microwaves, so if that works, as soon as we can build a lifting-body horizontal launch spaceplane with a small nukeplant on board for a sufficient TWR. Short of that, I think Starship and clones thereof (chunky methalox tubes) will dominate the launcher business.

>>11868016
As I said, it's entirely possible, it's impossible to predict the future, that's what testing is for. Maybe the next round of testing with the improved 304L test tank will exceed expectations, maybe not. Maybe tests with the internal alloy will exceed expectations even more than that, or maybe they'll be a disaster. We'll wait and see. What's retarded is insisting that a new steel absolutely cannot work because Elon changed his mind about something once. Changing your mind with new information is how good brains work.

>>11868056
Lmao EM Drive isn't going to work. I don't think we are going to have ships like we see in star citizen where you can just take off and slowly fly to orbit. Also don't think we're going to see anything close to a warp drive for another 200 years... if ever.

>>11868070
>What's retarded is insisting that a new steel absolutely cannot work
Absolutely not what I've written. Is there's something wrong with your eyes or your head? If they were planning on making a new alloy, they wouldn't be using international grading naming practices.
That's my point.

Jesus fucking christ, use your head.

>Go to watch any video about the Apollo missions
>Comments are full of people saying it was faked
>Go to watch any video about the ISS in LEO
>Literal FLATEARTHERS shitting it up

It’s all so tiresome

>>11868079
>Lmao EM Drive isn't going to work.
Eh, I've seen some test units that show sharp acceleration that doesn't match the time profile of thermal effects and looks too sharp for a photon rocket. I'm willing to see what the experiments show.

>>11868082
>you can't just call it 30X informally! you're breaking the metal laws!
lmao

>>11868087
>reading youtube comments

>>11868090
Those numbers are for STANDARD ALLOYS not custom.
How many ways do I have to have to explain it? 316 flows a bit better than austeniticchromium-nickel stainless steel with 2-3% molybdenum content.

>>11868107
>NOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST CALL YOUR NEW ALLOY WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT I'M GOING TO CALL THE METAL COPS

>>11868107
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST USE AN INTERNAL NAME THAT HINTS AT THE COMPOSITION AND FUNCTION
>YOU HAVE TO STANDARDIZE IT
Fuck off wumao.

>>11868088
>The 20 year old oooooptimist
The implication of a working EM device, generating even a remote thrust beyond experimental error or photon pressure, hints that our understanding of the laws of physics are broken. I don’t think it’s gonna work. That being said: I’m open to accepting that our physics could be wrong and I WANT it to work. The thought of jumping in a spaceship and just taking it up to orbit like it’s a car is really cool

>>11868119
If I was a fucking chink, I wouldn't give a shit about composition, I'd give you pig iron.

>>11868107
I don't know what part of "informal" or "not finalized" you don't understand. It has nothing to do with your precious international standards because it's not the actual name, it's a declaration that the custom formulation will be based on a 300 series steel.

Space Force is participating at the White House event today.

>>11868128
And I believe you should look up dunning-krueger.

>>11868136
Bro you just don’t understand lmao

>>11868135
Glad Pics or it Didn't Happen is getting a proper funeral service

>>11868149
Sadly, I do understand.

>>11867157
Druggie spotted & flagged

>>11868079
The martian marine armor is cool but is it practical?

>>11868156
Guns are for protection from people who claim guns are unnecessary

>>11868159
It's literally just snowboarding/motorcycle gear with extra greebles.

>>11868087
youtube has a lot of people who aren't american that shill flat earth shit out of jealousy

>>11868087
>watch apollo documentary
>RECOMMENDED FOR YOU:
>Moon landing was a hoax lololol
>Autoplay: Enabled

>>11868166
yeah, i dont know shit about armor really, so i guess it isn't. too bad they didn't design practical armor.

>>11868178
At least they used actual protective gear as a base. The Jaffa armor in SG-1 was literally rubber, and the less said about Star Trek "combat gear" the better.

>>11868170
Jewtube is utter garbage now with their new algorithm that chooses the sidebar videos

>>11868183
>now

>>11868115
>>11868119
You people are absolutely fucking retarded. Metal man isn’t arguing the semantics of steel names. Y’all are just putting words in his mouth because you slobber over Elon’s PR ding dong

>>11868191
I think all of you guys are talking past each other or failing to capture nuance.

Metal guy is talking Materials. People that are arguing with him on the naming of it, are probably ignorant to Materials science. 30X is the name because it follows industrial code. It gets named that for a reason. Now something might be nicknamed, but reality says it must follow the code.

However, I also think that when Elon says custom alloy, he probably just means that he's picking a certain percentage of solid solute (for alloy) to specialize in whatever Elon wants out of the Material in terms of mechanical properties.

It's a matter of semantics.

>>11866748
Correct me if I'm wrong but can't you just stick a superconductor in there to boot up an electromagnetic field that catches the solar wind? Would cost less fuel to achieve same thrust, though you'd probably have to burn every now and then to course-correct depending on your desired orbital trajectory relative to the sun

>>11868211
That's called the plasma magnet sail and has been discussed to death. Anons have even emailed the designer for more information. Starship's wet mass is over 1000 tons so you'd need a 30 meter set of coils, but if you did, you could get another 50km/s delta-V away from the sun out of it.

>>11868203
A custom alloy would be named after its composition, not an international standard grading.
If that's too hard to understand, there's no hope for you.

>>11868216
did the plasma gods ever get back to anons

why is the RD-58 so fuckin based bros
>kerolox
>decent isp
>5-15 fuckin ignitions depending on version

>>11868222
Yes. The tl;dr is that the "0.5g acceleration for a 2500kg craft" was based on a blogger mis-transcribing a talk, but everything else works as advertised. As soon as cheap TLI rideshares appear I'm crowdfunding a test sat.

>>11868216
Its only 1000 tonnes when fully fuelled, you won't have that fuel after you boost out of the magnetosphere, just whatever is in the headers. Couple hundred tonnes all up at most.

>>11868227
In that case it's much better. A 200 tonne mass can get accelerated anti-sunward at 0.03009m/s^2, so turning it on for 30 days gets you 77.99328km/s of delta-V... which means you can also use it to slow down for capture coming home.

>>11868218
How many ways can one man be told "hey retard, that's not the actual name" before he recognizes it and stops arguing semantics based on a naming system? "30X" refers to the grade of steel the custom alloy will be based on, the actual steel will be named whatever the fuck they want. Probably "Secret Steel 88"

>>11868246
And how many times must I tell you that Elon is full of PR shit?
That's his main job.

>>11868248
Every time you realize you have no argument you spout the exact same thing lmao

>>11868250
Where's your fucking argument? "But Elon said so" is not an argument.
They're using off the shelf shit to save money and they will fucking continue to do so until it's in orbit or they cancel the entire thing.

Because they learned their lesson with exotic bullshit developing the Falcon 9.

>>11867931
>>11867931
Da, committee is proud comrade. Please check your staging for the people and not no be a debil

'Nother planet in the goldilock's zone.
https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/news/close-and-tranquil-solar-system-has-astronomers-excited/

>>11868254
?
didn't read the earlier bits of this conversation but it's been confirmed SpaceX is contracting/making in-house a special 3XX blend of stainless for starship. I believe that one Finnish company is helping out?

>>11868262
>11 light years away
Holy shit, that's actually reachable with 0.4c.

>>11868262
>yet another red giant, but it's abnormally unshitty this time, we swear
Over these to be honest. I hope red giants can provide locales habitable for anything more complex than scum but I seriously doubt it.

>>11868262
>red dwarf system
>habitable zone

Wow so this is the power of diversity hires

>>11868264
>Red dwarf
>Powerful solar flares
Like the article says, wouldn't bet on it having much of an atmosphere though.

>>11868267
>red dwarf*
Error between chair and keyboard

>>11868272
Red dwarfs have habitable zones, but they come with a huge asterisk. It’s really close to the star... so close in fact that the star is most likely going to shoot high energy flares into your planet. AFAIK there are some “non-active” red dwarfs that don’t flare up, but all it takes is one flare over the course of billions of years and it could eradicate any microbial life on a planet’s surface

>>11868281
All we need is one reachable and can hold surface water and we're good to go for colonizing and hopefully terraforming

>>11868281
Also tidally locked, which isn't a death sentence but certainly doesn't help.

>>11868264
>0.4c
Aka 268 million miles per hour. Fastest vehicle we've sent is Juno probe @ 165k mph. 0.4c also known as 1600x+ faster than Juno probe. We have nothing that comes close, our fastest is barely half a percentage of 0.4c. Even if we do somehow get to 0.4c(which is likely impossible in this century if not next), that's still 28 years away.

why does this guy look like a cartoon character?

>>11868307
I don't know. He is BIG tho.

>>11868307
shave your neck jim

>>11868307
Because he's about to get Charlie Brown'ed the fuck out when Boing delays SLS again and that will lead to Artemis being taken out behind the VAB and shot.

>>11868263
Most probably. So far we only know it's named 30X stainless steel, just like how PICA-X was the SpaceX specialized variant of PICA heat shielding.

>>11868294
you do realize if we wanted to we could get crazy fucking speeds but we wouldn't be able to slow down?

>>11868281
Its not just the flares, you are getting raped by constant death tier radiation since you are so close to it.

>>11868332
If we could, we would have sent some shit to other pluto, but we can't. We can't go 0.1c speed of light. We can't go 0.4c. We can't even go 0.001c, let alone any thing higher. If we had the capability to go faster, we would have utilized them to explore the entire solar system million times already. But we don't.

There is no secret conspiracy to hide alien technology that can make a spacecraft go speed of light.

>>11868345
just live in igloos on the dark side

>>11868352
Laser

Sails

>>11868352
i never said there was dumbass, look at the parker solar probe, it will reach 430000 miles per hour, and that is without the designers optimising it to go as fast as possible. we could probably get something to reach over a million miles per hour with a sun gravity assist

>>11868352
>>11868359
also this, i believe breakthrough starshot will succeed. laser sails will be the goto way for launching early interstellar probes

>>11868272
Red dwarf stars have habitable zones. The habitable zone is just the area where temperatures would allow liquid surface water.

>>11868314
Shaving is gay.

>>11868352
Laser sails, particle beams, fusion drives. Stop talking BS

>>11868361
Breakthrough starshot is so cool. If we would have already launched them 10-15 years ago that would be ideal. My question is, they plan on doing a “flyby” of any planet in the system. How the fuck are they going to do that? I don’t think you get to “pick” where it goes... It kinda just zips into the star system and then leaves, would it not?

>>11868359
>>11868361
>>11868371
You should have said fusion reactor. That would have been more believable. The world isn't going to build couple dozen dedicated power plants to power the ground lasers to push your spacecraft. We don't even know if such a laser building is possible, let alone a tiny material the size of a penny that can handle all that heat from jiggawatts of laser from ground.

Epstein drive would make more sense. Atleast we can prostitute some young girls around.

>>11868367
t. muhammad muhammad

>>11868382
>The world isn't going to build couple dozen dedicated power plants to power the ground lasers to push your spacecraft.

Baseless assertion. Kys.

>>11868382
> The world isn't going to build couple dozen dedicated power plants to power the ground lasers to push your spacecraft.
i believe the world will be much more interested in space with the colonization of mars, but who knows.

>>11868382
I'm not saying either suggestion is currently feasible but building a big laser is a lot more near term than fusion power, let alone fusion power that will be useful for an engine

>>11868393
No, fusion power has a chance of happening in the next 100 years. Building few dedicated power station to power a gigawatt laser isn't going to happen. Each power station would cost billions of dollar. Laser alone would cost billions. Then you need to research/create a meta material that can with stand the heat, is light, can survive in cold/hot temp without succumbing to shock, etc. The economics wont allow it to happen. The world is already pursuing some type of fusion, so there is a chance it may succeed. Then a miniaturized fusion could be done for spacecraft, if fusion proves to doable.

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>>11868381
theoretically you can use the reflection of a probe ahead of you to slow down, but that's very inefficient.
iirc the actual starshot plan was just to zip through the system, but send dozens to hundreds of probes (because once you've built your massive fuck off laser array, most of the hard work is already done for you).

>>11868403
If only Muons were stable god dammit. If one of you faggots could find a way to produce Muons without a particle accelerator you’d not only win a nobel prize, but be remembered as the father of fusion for the rest of history

>>11868408
>Picsoritisntbeck.png

>>11868389
Once/if Starship happens, then that could be used to propel interest in space colonization/exploration to the nTh degree. The hope then is spacex working on their next gen engine, a nuclear engine. And maybe after the renaissance of nuclear engines with the advent of space colonization, fusion engines might be researched along the way.

>>11868332
>but we wouldn't be able to slow down?
Turn a plasma magnet sail on halfway there and use the ISM and stellar wind to brake. This works from 0.2c.

>>11868419
The second space becomes an area of contested national security is the day every 'meme tech' becomes feasible.

>>11868408
patreon space program when

>>11868428
Alright bros, here’s the plan. We need to convince hostile nations to ramp up their space programs. We need to get China to the Moon, and have them establish a military base. This will involve giving them anything they need that we can provide. I warn you, it will not be easy, but we must spur our governments to spend more at the cost of national security. I- in minecraft of course

>>11868442
t.

>>11868307
It's his get out of jail free card

SADDENED(NOT!) TO SEE AN UN-AMERICAN ROCKET FAIL ON THIS MOST AMERICAN OF DAYS! THE HUBRIS OF OTHERS TO EVEN ATTEMPT A LAUNCH ON SUCH A SACROSANCT OCCASION. LUCKILY OUR RAPID RESPONSE TEAM WAS ON THE SITE TO PREVENT ANY "UNSANCTIONED" ORBITAL INSERTION.

I would also like to congratulate the X-37B team on its successful completion of rapid orbital maneuvers and debris avoidance test.

>>11868464
lol

>>11868464
Long ago, all the oldspace snipers lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when Elon attacked.
It is only on special days where they come together to assure American dominance, this is one of those occasions brothers

>>11867667

I always had this curiosity, why do their rockets look like metal tubes welded together in a backyard? When will they use their "final form"?

>>11868474
>why do their rockets look like metal tubes welded together in a backyard

Sometimes it is what it looks like, and it's not always bad

>>11867187
The SRBs on Ariane exist so the French can keep the companies who make their ICBMs alive.

>>11868431
now. gibs.

>muh electric turbopumps
that's what you get for being a little bitch

>>11868345
The planets further behind can mostly withstand the radiation from a greater the ones closest have a sort of equatorial band where it's neither hellishly hot nor is it bitterly cold. It's all just a constant morning with a red sky.

>>11868494
>gas generator
CRINGE and INEFFICIENTPILLED

>>11868522
Maximizing efficiency is a waste of effort on anything but the most demanding of boosters. Sustained high thrust for the duration of first stage thrust to minimize gravity losses is worth more.

>he can't even get 300isp at sea level
LOL

>>11868307
he BIG

>>11868311
>>11868540
is he?
how big?

>>11868548
12 in flaccid

>>11868552
That's a big rocket.

truly /ourguy/

>>11868522
Falcon 9 uses gas generator too.

>>11868582
chad RAPTOR doesn't

>>11868581
>it's fucking real
MADLAD

>>11868581
How many kids does Elon have? Also he has a bunch of baby mommas, does he keep up with every single child of his? Not trying to judge the man- just curious about his personal life

>>11868600
>How many kids does Elon have?

He had six kids with his first wife, but the first one died very young, and recently he had another son with Grimes. Every one of them male.

> Also he has a bunch of baby mommas

Only two.

>>11868600
He has 3 kids from what i remember, two from his first marriage and the one he had now

>>11868581
>>11868598
Of course, his fucking comment section:
>DURRR UR A BILLIONAIRE YOU R EVIL CAPITALIST MAN
Liberals are truly fucking retarded I hope Musk makes it to Mars and immediately reveals his true right-wing nature. He seems like a man in the middle but my tinfoil hat theory is that he only says progressive things to keep public interest up and make grimes happy

>>11868581
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1279585827350122496
for the faggots who ask for a link

>>11868605
>Every one of them male.
BASED

>>11868606
Six living, seven total

roll for communists banned from settling on mars

>>11868617
Dubs and China never makes it past LEO

>>11868608
>>11868608
funny since he used to be a poster boy for the west coast tech scene and green policies, but then the media flipped on him suddenly and now he's just slowly giving less and less of a fuck

>>11868622
lmao

>>11868622
MAH ALL THE GODS OF FURIOUS STRONG

How do i make it look more like Starship bro's? How do i add payload to it?