/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11665362
wrong board

go to
>>>/lit/
preferably make a scifi/fantasy thread

>>11665379
/sfg/ has been on /sci/ since the 1970’s riots

>>11665379
What are you on?

>>11665383
REALITY and nothing else

>>11665384
And space flight isn't reality?

Tin can launch pad flyover from a week ago

>>11665411
BOING BTFO

>>11665411
There will be a point in our lifetime when this will turn into multiple pads and fully organized assembly buildings.

>>11665411
Looks like they have another test stand just about ready to go there, soon we can have multiple tin cans testing right after each other.

>>11665411
Looks pretty ramshackle right now, but I hope it grows into something bigger and grander.

>>11665435
I hope he puts the Texas gigafactory in Boca Chia and turns the place into Muskistan

>>11665435
That'd be neat. The US would then have four full fledged spaceports.
>Kennedy/Canaveral
>Vandenburg
>Wallops, VA (pic related)
>Boca Chica

Okay fags, when will be back on the moon?

>>11665480
I think by 2022. First Starship orbit this year, first crewed orbit and unmanned lunar lander next year, then a crewed moonshot by 2022.

As for NASA, they're shooting for 2024 but SLS keeps getting delayed.

stacc

>>11665202
underrated

>>11665543
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>>11665427
that's the plan

Just realized we're less then half a year to the next starship/BFR presentation.

>>11665543
>>11665562
STACC

>>11665591
Is that SN6? Are they just going to blow up SN4 or leave it out in the yard like an old car?

>>11665590
Wait they’re on a set schedule? I figured they did them whenever there was something to show/major design updates.

>>11665614
They seem to come around every September, but that could just be me making shit up

Every starship that has materialized to any degree so far is a cargo configuration correct? I imagine mass producing crew variants will be a lot more challenging. You’re making a mini space station in each one right? It’s taken a while for crew dragon to pick up speed and it only holds a handful of people on a single short trip. I’m curious what the interior development is going to look like for these things in the coming years

>>11665614
literally every september

>>11665639
crew config and cargo config start out the exact same, but they don't cut the chomper door into the crew one and then they shove an entire space station into it

>>11665639
>You’re making a mini space station in each one right?

Sort of. That engineering barrier will be conquered in due time. The glorious march of progress is unceasing.

>>11665490
That seems optimistic. While I'm certainly hopeful for an orbital launch this yeah (although shit like the FAA may keep that from happening as fast as possible), I'd imagine that they are going to want dozens of launches before they are actually willing to put people in space.

I'd imagine that 2021 and maybe 2022 will be extensive testing of orbital refueling and possibly Starship based Starlink launches just to rack up flight hours and successful landings. Maybe a few crewed test flights in 2023, but I wouldn't be surprised if the first actual crewed moon landing is with Artemis in 2024.

All that said, if the NASA moon Starship isn't greeted upon landing by an autonomous Cybertruck that was secretly landed days or weeks in advance, then someone fucked up.

>>11665657
How do you secretly launch something at the moon?

>>11665490
>>11665657
How will the autists who claim we haven't been to the moon cope when we get crisp 4k footage?

>>11665666
>How will the autists who claim we haven't been to the moon cope when we get crisp 4k footage?

CGI and magic. They’re schizophrenic in a literal sense so any excuse works.
Also nice Satanic trips.

>>11665663
Starship CLPS lunar deliveries have many many tons of extra payload capacity
hundreds of tons of extra payload capacity
it would be extremely easy to deliver a "lunar mobility test" along with the rest of the payloads and then have it drive itself to the moon landing location

>>11665666
>We never went to the moon in the 60s, but have the technology to do it now
>That's fake too! It's all CGI! You can tell by the [camera artifact]
>So, let me get this straight. NASA who supposedly went to the moon, didn't go back for 50 years, and had its mainline rocket (the Shuttle) canceled, all of a sudden it can go back to the moon? Do your own research
Also, Satanic checked.

>>11665666
>How will the autists who claim we haven't been to the moon cope when we get crisp 4k footage?
It gets compressed to hell when someone posts it on twitter and then they pick out the obvious compression artefacts and claim its green screen, even though green screen artefacts look nothing like it.
Thats what they do with iss footage.

>>11665663
I was gonna say that you just schedule a Starlink launch but then lose signal with it just before it begins reentry while it actually flies off to the moon, but I guess the need to refuel would complicate the memes.

Just say its a pre-Artemis unmanned scientific mission to the moon that has a secret truck in the hold. I just want to see the very serious, dramatic NASA livestream footage where the astronauts open the cargo doors and there's a truck doing donuts in the moon dust a half a mile away.

>>11665666
Go look at the comments on any of the Tesla Roadster launch videos. Nature finds a way.

>>11665657
couldnt starship theoritically land on the moon just as a demo or at least develop an inspace fuel depo.

>>11665674
>>So, let me get this straight. NASA who supposedly went to the moon, didn't go back for 50 years, and had its mainline rocket (the Shuttle) canceled, all of a sudden it can go back to the moon? Do your own research
That one's really easy to counter by explaining what a neutered version of the original STS vision the Shuttle was, how bad the Shuttle was at reducing costs, and how NASA's Apollo era budget got redirected to the free shit for parasites department.

>>11665657
>I wouldn't be surprised if the first actual crewed moon landing is with Artemis in 2024.
You think Artemis 2024 is actually likely?

>>11665691
>implying that moon hoaxers ever pay attention to the technological developments of space flight
They still use the "If we have gone to the moon, then we would've gone back within the last 50 years. We haven't and can't, therefore we never had."

>>11665688
I have no doubt they could, it's just a question of whether or not they want to rub NASA's face in it. I'm not sure how the politics would work but I'd imagine that a lot of the NASA higher ups don't want to invest a bunch of money into a lander design only to have it be invalidated by the same company that they are paying.

I could see SpaceX deliberately avoiding manned flights or big moon landings until Artemis gets their day in the limelight, and then the second that the contract is fulfilled they just start privately launching dozens of landers to do their own experiments and to test more gear for the Mars missions.

>>11665692
I think that if SpaceX is churning out working Starships a year or two ahead of time, NASA may basically have the ultimatum of "either HLS happens now and you get the credit, or we're going to do it without you and your entire program is rendered worthless overnight".

Even then it may not be enough to get oldspace's head out of the sand, but if SpaceX beats not only SLS but Artemis as a whole then I would think (or at least hope) that a whole lot of people are going to begin to wonder what NASA's purpose is at all.

>>11665703
>"either HLS happens now and you get the credit, or we're going to do it without you and your entire program is rendered worthless overnight".
Not if I have anything to say about it AND I DO. I'M GONNA SAY THE N WORD!

>>11665699
Ohh no can't risk showing up master. I have more faith that Musk intends to let SpaceX go as fast as feasible, regardless of PR. That's what we've seen so far, and if anything he only wants to go faster.

>>11665710
I'm gonna say... the D word...

>>11665703
It’s like when your son grows big and strong enough to defeat you in a surprise wrestling match.

>>11665611
SN5

>>11665691
> NASA's Apollo era budget got redirected to the free shit for parasites department.
Heavy NASA spending was never very popular.
>Back in 1979, ten years after Apollo 11, an NBC/ AP poll showed that only 41% of Americans said the benefits of the space program outweighed its costs.
>In most years, the plurality of Americans say that the NASA budget should be kept the same, although the rest have usually tilted towards a view that it should be reduced or ended.
>In 1986, a high water mark for NASA, 26% said that its budget should be increased, only 14% said that it should be reduced , 5% said that it should be ended, while 50% said that it should remain the same.
>Americans were less than enthusiastic about extending the effort to Mars. Only 39% of those interviewed favored such an attempt, while 53% opposed it.
>Not nearly as much as might be imagined. In most polls conducted by Gallup during the 1960s, less than a majority of Americans said that the investment in getting a man to the moon was worth the cost. For example, a 1965 poll found only 39% of Americans thought that the U.S. should do everything possible, regardless of cost, to be the first nation on the moon.
And so on.

>>11665712
I don't mean it as an PR/optics thing, I mean it in that SpaceX probably would like another few hundred million/billion bucks of NASA contract cash. If the people holding NASA's leash think that SpaceX is showing them up, they might be stupid enough to shun them just out of spite. Granted I'm sure that Space Force would be more than willing to pick up the funding slack for Starship, but regardless cash is cash and there's plenty of testing and R&D that they can do just in orbit. Plus landing on earth is going to be a more realistic analog for Mars than any number of moon landings.

>>11665712
>>11665728
I suppose that no matter what NASA needs SpaceX for the ISS resupply missions, so they are going to need to keep working together no matter what insane shit Elon thinks up. Too early to really make any predictions until we start seeing just how quick Starship gets into orbit.

>>11665685
>autonomous lunar roving truck testing

>>11665699
im curious how spacex or even blue origin can escape the political clutches of a NASA, i get NASA wants to continue to "feel" useful but i just wonder if its just delaying the fact that its going to turn into the FAA of the space industry, ie spaceship oversight regulations. I think for as much as people chide trumps Spaceforce such a move will separate the roles of NASA from government to one of oversight.

>>11665688
they'll get payed for it too, look up CLPS

>>11665738
Given how Boeing has repeatedly fucked up and left the US with zero domestic airliner production until they unfuck their planes, I think NASA will keep building and flying rockets until there are three long term stable commercial vendors, and I suspect there will be a law or regulation banning them from ever acquiring each other.

>>11665738
>but i just wonder if its just delaying the fact that its going to turn into the FAA of the space industry, ie spaceship oversight regulations

NASA doesn’t actually have any oversight or regulation of space at all unless it’s dealing specifically with them and their personnel.

>>11665738
I could see NASA just becoming more of a general climate research and theoretical technologies group moreso than anything directly related to spaceflight.
If they could just go on to build space telescopes and other high level research gear that doesn't have much practical or profitable utility and just strap it all to commercial vehicles, then maybe they could put their funding to better use. Even better if they just designed the gear and then put it out the the lowest bidder to actually build. Hell, take a note from how popular the Juno camera data has been and just put out the goals and mission profile publicly and say "we'll award X million dollars to whoever can build and launch a vessel and provide us with the relevant data that we are looking for," just to prevent Boeing from ever getting any actual cash reward.

>>11665750
Yeah, as I understand it at least the FAA is the FAA of space.

>>11665738
It's going to be interesting to see what happens to NASA post-Starship cargo imo. Their real relevance is in research, to the point that most people buy the "only the state can ever make probes and big telescopes" meme. When you can make shitty slipshod overbuilt probes and just rely on cheap heavy lift rocketry and sheer numbers, it suddenly looks a lot more viable to invade that space.

>>11665750
yeah but Musk cant just say fuck it im going to the moon without pissing off NASA. Point is want Spacex to be able to pick whatever mission they want and NASA saying okay as long you fuck up anything youre good to go

>>11665614
I think it's the anniversary of the first Falcon 1 to reach orbit without RUD.

>>11665760
>we'll award X million dollars to whoever can build and launch a vessel and provide us with the relevant data that we are looking for
NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST OFFER FIXED SUMS OF MONEY FOR COMPLETED WORK THIS IS LITERALLY RAPE I'M CALLING MY SENATOR YOU PIG

>>11665761
I wonder if they could pull a move like university do with startups and spin off research projects into profitable companies

>>11665762
Where's that pic from? It looks like some Dr. Thunder style off-brand SpaceX.

>>11665614
I think Musk was planning on it in the summer last year, but the hardware wasn't ready so it was pushed back some. I imagine there are similar hardware goals for the next one, like the first 20km hop or a complete Super Heavy prototype.

>>11665762
https://tfaws.nasa.gov/TFAWS06/Proceedings/Aerothermal-Propulsion/Papers/TFAWS06-1026_Paper_Herdy.pdf
Now how do we build engines like these to lift manned spacecraft at least as a first stage?

>>11665767
I wonder if there's still going to be hit pieces on SpaceX when they land on the moon.

>>11665780
Already seeing the future where SpaceX is a darling and the narrative becomes "oh but only if they could divest themselves from their Evil Overlord Musk-sama then I could REALLY cheer for them"

>>11665778
If you mean an engine that's made by /sci/entists, then it would have to be stupid simple. Film and ablator cooled only. Pintle or splash plate injector. Hard angles, no curves. Unless we 3D print it.

>>11665774
behance, because these threads are so long and it doesnt have /pol/ type IDs i feel its best to "tag" some of my posts with pics

>>11665780
The real trip is going to be when they start testing their ISRU on Earth by pulling CO2 out of the atmosphere. How do the "NOO YOU CAN'T GO TO SPACE WE HAVEN'T FIXED EARTH YET" fags cope?

>>11665780
Probably. You'll have government-can-do-no-wrong types crying about muh evil corporations, oldspace contractors crying about muh jobs, Chinese shills crying about their dreams of supremacy collapsing like a Chinese bridge, and Russians crying about basically everything.

>>11665775
he did the last one in front of a stacked starship, doing it in front of a SS/SH would be kino

>>11665762
>yeah but Musk cant just say fuck it im going to the moon without pissing off NASA
And that's worth jack diddly fucking squat, if he has a good relationship with the FAA (he does) and the Space Force (he will, and already kind of does).

>>11665786
>>11665780
SpaceX and Tesla are already normie darlings. People love them, and half of the zoomer demographic suck him off. Most people just write hit pieces to mooch off the fame.

>>11665778
as far as i understand you'd need a nuclear rocket. because it has the specific impulse needed to do it all in one go. But try to convince the world to put a nuke on your rocket without worrying about it exploding in 80,000 feet in the air and spreading radioactive material over millions of miles

>>11665787
>Unless we 3D print it.
IIRC the metal deposition patents are expired so that could be a cheap ish option.

>>11665795
>How do the "NOO YOU CAN'T GO TO SPACE WE HAVEN'T FIXED EARTH YET" fags cope?
I strongly encourage those types of "people" to move to Africa to try to fix it since mankind left the continent before solving all of the problems there.

>>11665780
Quartz disk with HMkids Shelby Heresy on the first Selene Starship when?

>>11665780
for some very very odd reason the SJW types absolutely loathe elon musk and basically all things Space Travel. They are like the hard to tolerate miserable co-worker who dont want to see you to leave and succeed because it means they wasted their life and theyll be left alone to their misery.

>>11665800
>Speculation and live tweets during the press conference about "Elon made another mockup, yawn"
>conference wrapping up
>"Now if everyone could get on the provided busses, we'll take you to a safe distance so you can witness the inaugural orbital launch in T-30 minutes"

>>11665780
Elon Musk wants to recreate apartheid on Mars by only allowing the rich to go there.

White man on Mars.

Elon Musk is a Menace to Earth.

Bros, why is Star Trek Enterprise so based? Hope this new space race thing gets it a reboot. Are the new star trek series any good?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JNgC8tc-x8

>>11665814
It's because of an automatic irrational hatred of all rich people, unless those rich people directly pander to them. Also, he isn't constantly screaming about hating Trump, so he's evil by association.

>>11665810
I just enjoy the complete mental disconnect in their heads about the perceived imminent destruction of Earth by global warming and investing in technology to terraform Mars.

"THE CLIMATE SCIENTISTS SAY WE NEED TO CUT ALL INDUSTRY AND FOOD PRODUCTION, WE CAN'T JUST INNOVATE AROUND IT REEEE"

>>11665815
I can only hope for such an occurrence. It's a win win, either SS crashes and we get a boom and the next prototype is rolled out or Elon puts ULA out of business and BO fags are executed slowly but ferociously. Getting a sick feeling BO is gonna be the new oldspace, BE4 on the Vulcan and being a part of this national team. Off putting.

So are the radiators that vent starship's heat embedded on the dorsal side of the hull like Apollo's was?

>>11665822
these people honestly scare me, if enough of them get into power they will cancel space exploration for good

>>11665828
>Getting a sick feeling BO is gonna be the new oldspace, BE4 on the Vulcan and being a part of this national team. Off putting.
Same. I was seriously hoping that they would be a good competitor to SpaceX, but they're working way too slowly.

>>11665836
honestly feels like BOs purpose is launder money for god knows who. CIA or Pentagon.
Yeah will give you a 100million dollars and youll wink wink lose it developing a rocket wink

>>11665833

>>11665814
>for some very very odd reason the SJW types absolutely loathe elon musk

He’s wealthy and optimistic. They hate wealthy people who don’t offer constant lip service to their own beliefs, and they hate anyone who isn’t intrinsically negative in outlook.

> and basically all things Space Travel.

They desire the degradation of mankind.

>>11665841
>They desire the degradation of mankind.
I bet most of them can't handle a even single day of no electricity.

>>11665828
I just can't get behind BO because of the secrecy. Even if New Glenn is the bee's knees and works great on the first launch, the reason that everyone is getting excited about space again these last few years is because SpaceX is out of their goddamn mind and are showing off both the successes and failures. I would have to imagine that the number of people going for aerospace-related degrees spiked up after that first Falcon Heavy launch, and it should only keep going up once we start seeing regular Starship launches and landings on other bodies. While I don't care about (or even really want) space exploration to be "cool", widespread public interest is essential in making sure that we can keep the momentum and funding up so we don't fizzle out again like we did in the 70s.

Meanwhile Bezos is sitting there in his Dr. Evil lair refusing to show anything off until it's absolutely perfect, generating zero excitement and inspiring zero young people. Hopefully someday they can actually provide something of value to ongoing space exploration, but from a historical perspective I have to imagine that SpaceX is going to rightfully get all the credit for revitalizing the modern space industry.

>>11665833
"bite my shiny, stainless steel ass"

>>11665833
The glaring contradictions aren’t worth pointing out. Middle class atheists would never abandon their luxuries and spend their income helping lower class people.

>>11665833
>People are starving, why aren't you finding cheap, sustainable and space effective ways to generate food instead of researching human space colonization?

>>11665846
>I would have to imagine that the number of people going for aerospace-related degrees spiked up after that first Falcon Heavy launch
I didn't chose my aerospace engineering degree because of SpaceX, but that Falcon Heavy launch reinvigorated my hope and interest in it.

>>11665804
>millions of miles.
Anon, the earth isn't even 1 million miles in circumference

>>11665860
Square miles maybe?

>>11665846
Exactly. It's literally polar opposites of each other. SpaceX knows the game, normies ate up that Falcon Heavy launch, they'll do the same with starship. BO is just weird. It couldn't hurt to just let us know where they are, while Elon is building shit in a field for everyone to see. The boldness that's actually gonna get us something other than a cool engine and a suborbital dildo. I only hope BO is working like hell on Habs and life support, that would be cool. Cause I can see that being a bottleneck. But it seems they're focusing on propulsion. Bezos is a weird motherfucker.

>>11665846
>>11665865
>tfw really want to work for SpaceX
>tfw only BO is answering my applications

>>11665867
Join it and find out what the hell they’re doing

>>11665867
Take it, having BO on your app is gonna look good. Unless they have non-compete clauses.

SN4 test tomorrow 9am-9pm. Maybe static fire/hop?

>>11665859
Think of all the kids that were 12-16 when that launch happened and who have been fed on a diet of pessimism and humanity ebil for their entire school life. Starman may not live on in the same way that Apollo 11 does today, but I do think that we'll all look back and say "that was the first sign that things were actually going to be different this time".

>>11665870
pretty sure they probably have you sign an NDA and put an explosive chip in your spine that will detonate if you spill the beans

>>11665804
>/sci/ builds a rocket
>It's powered by a Integrated fast reactor designed as a mix of the HRTE-3 engine and NERV
>Beside to perform a manned flight
>NIMBYfags find out and picket line is formed
>Liftoff
>Rocket sprays high temperature radioactive water all over them
>NASA's screeching
>Midflight, spaceforce threatens to shoot you down
>"We can't reach orbit, we're holding too much weight."
>Neckbeard ancap flips a switch and releases 12 mininukes from the cargo area onto all oldspace and humanitarian fags
>"You had those weightiness us down?"
>"What weight problem?"

>>11665881
That's ridiculous. There's no chip. I even work for Blue Origin in their Orbital Launch Facility in Florida, and I saw them working on the New A-

>>11665867
Unfortunately, you maybe too low IQ/credentials for SpaceX. SpaceX/Tesla are number #1/2 respectively for most highly sought out company for engineers to work for.

>https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/06/the-10-most-attractive-employers-for-engineering-students.html

>>11665872
mmm I think so.

>>11665867
How hard is it to work in the space field for someone who's pretty smart? My brother is in highschool and I wanna turn him onto engineering. Would it be realistic to expect a space job after a degree from something like UF?

>>11665865
I have to imagine that all the public attention is also keeping SpaceX's employees on their toes and constantly wanting to one up themselves. I'm sure it's stressful and it sounds like working there is kind of a bitch, but that's the environment where you're going to get high morale, high stakes and constant innovation.
Blue Origin has absolutely no pressure or expectation right now, so why would they possibly want to rush and suddenly they need to deliver or else people may criticize them. And that's obviously a tragedy.

>>11665891
If he wants to work at spacex, he MUST have high work ethics. He MUST join highschool/college engineering projects and show that he has done work. Elons company look for people with records of ability. Get wide range of experience in working with stuff and get him up to speed on how everything works from ground up. He will be questioned on the basics of First Principles and basic critical thinking.

>>11665887
It's an experience issue I think. I barely have one year of experience outside of my master's degree, and that experience is full of not being able to see projects to completion. Plus, I just graduated before corona hit.

>>11665891
>How hard is it to work in the space field for someone who's pretty smart? My brother is in highschool and I wanna turn him onto engineering. Would it be realistic to expect a space job after a degree from something like UF?
I think it's fruitful as long as he seeks out good solid experience outside of studying.

>>11665903
>>11665906
Yeah, he's an incoming freshman(in HS) so he's got time. The work ethic is an issue, but I'll cut him a bit of slack due to the age. Gonna try to get him on python and get him hyped for SpaceX. If Elon could get Starship flying over FL that would be a nice motivator. And living in FL means free tuition at all in-state unis, which have tons of connections with space. Thanks for the help.

>>11665932
Buy him a girlfriend.

>>11665932
>he's got time
Better to start NOW than later. He shouldn't waste any time. Seek out any decent local (don't even have to be inside highschool) hobby engineering project groups and take him there. You have to bring out the "passion" in him. Build a giant robot in backyard(who can top that on a resume?). Maybe work with building miniature rocket engine. Or RC aircraft/rocket building hobby. Time is an advantage that should not be wasted.

>>11665947
Start small if you aren't sure of it completely. Small arduino projects like hacking a drone to make it track its movement in 3D and follow a planned route. That's fairly inexpensive, but requires slight programming experience and hardware tinkering.

iss-sim.spacex.com

>>11665947
My son will be two in a few months. Should I start explaining virtual particles to him then or now?

>>11665789
That’s called avatar fagging and is against the rules.
Not sure if you are trolling.

>>11665980
im not doing it all the time so, why would it be against the rules?

>>11665962
>spacex proves that you don't have to be an astronaut to pilot crew dragon

>>11665988
ahhh ahhhhhh
still no commercial space hub
still no lunar base
is it just me who feels like we are running out of time because SJWs take over and fuck everything to high heaven and demand MUSK hires some mexican xer who studied transgender basket weaving to help design rockets

>>11665995
Starship is the hope.

>>11665985
It still is avatar fagging.
I didn’t report you, relax.

>>11665453
>Elon Musk ordering the construction of Elongrad - 2024

>>11665944
He's pretty social. Not really worried about that aspect. If it comes to it, I will.

>>11665947
This is true, thanks for the reminder. I'm gonna buy some model rockets for him, maybe even some sugar rockets with him. Have some open fields and even some water next to us. This virus needs to pass quick for the clubs to reopen but I'm gonna look into that too. He has some autism for weather stuff so I'll play off that as well. Thanks again.

>>11665966
Watch baby einstein. Studies say it hurts your kid. But every smart guy I know watched it.

>>11665814
They're crabs in a bucket. They can't succeed so you must fail. I'd compare them to Communists but Communist nations in practice loved space travel as a prestige project.

>>11665821
The new Treks are awful. The franchise is dead. If you want modern scifi, The Expanse is pretty good.

>>11665828
>BO is gonna be the new oldspace
Amazon's HQ2 is two subway stops from the Pentagon. Bezos is a swamp rat. He'll run BO the way they tell him to because to do otherwise threatens Amazon's federal contracts. Amazon will always be Bezos's first love.

>>11665465
Question, does RocketLab intend to move all launches to Wallops once its operational?

>>11666049
No

>>11666049
Southern hemisphere launches are pretty unique so I think they'll keep NZ around.

>>11666047
Love the expanse, but Trek has a different feel. More feel goody and nostalgic.

And yup, that's my fear. BO not looking too great.

>>11665966
How solid is his grounding in quantum field theory?

>>11665966
HRT

>>11666057
They are even building a second pad in NZ

>>11666094
TARS, increase your meme setting to 70%.

>>11666066
expanse could only happen if government either went fully behind space exploration or got the fuck out of the way. How billions went into fucking facebook but spacex has to beg governments for funding boggles the mind.

>>11665611
>mfw SN4 ends up on cinderblocks

>>11665845
there the same people who honestly think the entire electrical grid could be run off of solar and some wind (they dont even love wind that much anymore)

>>11665666
I know a guy that's one of these, it's weird, i tried showing him a piece of footage that more people trying to debunk moon conspiracies should know about-https://youtu.be/FlpstXNjImY?t=1308

Look at that ,a zooming freehanded shot of the moon and look at how he moves around with this camera. That can't be a static nearby mock-up sine you could easily see the parallax get fucked up if it close by and that doesn't happen,it HAS to be far away. This is deccades before we had even crude CGI. This footage is a smoking gun-it could only have been filmed above the moon.

He didn't even try to engage with that at all. To argue with moon deniers is pointless.

>>11666185
anti spacers and flat earthers secretly want a free trip to space.

>>11665962
why them fuck dont more space companies do something like this for advertising?

>>11666187
I think even with free rides, some will eventually create or believe a conspiracy theory that it was a simulation.

>>11666181
I mean you could,if you covered a significant portion of the US in wind and solar farms and built thousands of enormous battery banks so your system could handle multiple days of suboptimal power production. It's utterly retarded but not IMPOSSIBLE.

>>11666187
If they're very nice we'll even give them suits before we open the airlocks.

>>11666213
Abandoning fossil fuels in the first place I s “utterly retarded”. We’ve got centuries worth of them in known, exploitable deposits. Might as well use them up until they cease to be economically viable.

>>11666210
at that point you've played yourself into a hell of your own invention.

>>11666217
Ooooh,I see exactly where this is going. i'll just say I think fission and fusion are cool and end the conversation.

>>11666202
Oldspace doesn't believe in advertising unless it's a jab at SpaceX.

>>11666238
>PAYLOAD ENEMY MOVEMENTS, LAUNCH COMPANY ALWAYS VALUED RESULTS RHETORIC AMERICAN TROOPS SAFE

You guys think SN5 will be done by the week?

>>11666238
They don't need to advertise. Their client is the government and their sales reps are legislators.

>>11666238
this spacex launch has been brought to you by tampax ultra strong for when mother nature gets you really down, atleast youre tampax strong.
tampax cheerleeders in tampon shaved outfits in the background dancing as the rocket ignites

>>11666210
honestly if they were "its all a simulation" they'd make alot more sense.

>>11666291
Who is the “others” they are referring to here? SpaceX was still babby tier when this came out.

>>11666325
A Musk hater traveled back in time to try to stop SpaceX and failed.

>>11666238
Old Space will BTFO on this May 27

I want to believe.

>>11666430
I want to see that fly once or twice, but I want Starship flying more.

>>11665362
Post 1/2:

Musk is controlled opposition.

Elon Musk is much more than just an average politically opinionated tech CEO. He is an intel asset. He is just like Jeff Bezos, Mark ZuckerBerg, Tom Hanks, Jack Dorsey or Bill Gates. They all have specific high-profile public image in their respective fields, however they are also active behind the scenes, all connected through the same entity of common intel agency. Intelligence agencies are especially heavily interested and invested in all tech sectors, especially space and remote-controlled cars, so just like they have journalists as assets that work for big newspapers to publish or spin specific story that CIA wants, they have tech CEOs, developers etc. that do CIA's bidding. When one of them shows a higher potential, then that person gets into smaller, close-circle of powerful people. Elon Musk is one of them. He is glowing brighter than supernova. Just research his involvement with companies and where they get their money from. Government subsidies are not to "help" company grow, but to make them govt's slave. Everything that comes from Musk is guaranteed to have backdoors and other hidden surprises.

Just search for "Tesla subsidies", or "Space X subsidies" and you will see. Musk would be a total nobody if he wasn't compromised, 100% controlled and propped up. Just like all these people I mentioned above. They are all part of something bigger.

Also, check Musk's ties with Michael Griffin, (head of NASA 2005-2009). Griffin was also working for In-Q-Tel, a CIA subdivision.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7361801/Jeffrey-Epstein-claimed-crisis-manager-Elon-Musk.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/tech-moguls-jeffrey-epstein-connected-bill-gates-elon-musk-2019-8#elon-musk-ceo-of-tesla-and-spacex-2
https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/13/epstein-musk-saudi-tesla/
https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epsteins-ex-girlfriend-dated-kimbal-musk-brother-of-tesla-founder-elon-musk-2020-1

More in reply.

Post 2/2:

Also, read about Musk's grandfather: https://www.technocracy.news/shock-elon-musks-grandfather-was-head-of-canadas-technocracy-movement/

Musk is most likely a frontman, a figurehead sponsored by In-Q-Tel, which is a CIA subdivision, which is tasked with funding companies in order to make them part of the government, so they can put their backdoors and other surprises.

Research In-Q-Tel:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cias-venture-capital-firm-like-its-sponsor-operates-in-the-shadows-1472587352
https://www.businessinsider.com/companies-funded-by-cia-2016-9
https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2012/07/16/156839153/in-q-tel-the-cias-tax-funded-player-in-silicon-valley
https://washingtontechnology.com/articles/2019/06/05/inqtel-forge-ai-investment.aspx
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200414005415/en/Q-CTRL-Announces-Strategic-Investment-In-Q-Tel-Accelerate-Quantum

You can bet anything Musk touches is one of them.

In-Q-Tel is also behind the mobile game Pokemon, through it they got all these millions of people all around the world intel-gathering for them and giving it all to western intel agencies for free. It was clever. Imagine how much data in pictures, geo-location, Wi-Fi, BlueTooth and others that probably were harvested like call logs, text messages etc. were just like that acquired for free. It was smart move on their part. I admire their ingenuity.

https://www.networkworld.com/article/3099092/the-cia-nsa-and-pokmon-go.html
https://sociable.co/technology/cia-backed-pokemon-go-privacy/

As I stated before:

>>11666439
>Musk would be a total nobody if he wasn't compromised, 100% controlled and propped up. Just like all these people I mentioned above. They are all part of something bigger.

>He is glowing brighter than supernova.

>>11666255
Kek based

Dissidents can’t hide from the CCP https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1260222397350887425

>>11666439
>>11666443
Nice copypasta, did you make it yourself?

>>11666094
COME ON XÆA-12

>>11666463
Yes. I am just a messenger and post for few worthy ones who want to know the worst, ugliest and most uncomfortable truth, instead of the best, sweetest and most comforting lie that's preferred by mindless masses.

I read a lot, research, connect the dots, cross-reference, analyze, assess the probability and create the big-picture and post it for the truth-seekers. Evidence is scattered. It's like pieces of puzzle that must be first collected, then analyzed, then connected and cross-referenced, only then the full big-picture of reality can be revealed. It takes huge amount of work and time, so I share its results with the world, so they don't have to do it again. I care about the greater good, and access to information, the truth and facts for average people are absolutely crucial for the greater good, because if people's thoughts operate based on non-factual ideas and conjectures, then that negatively affects their thought processes and actions, which is detrimental for the greater-good.

Remember to always keep an open mind, because the truth is stranger that fiction and when you think you have it all figured out, suddenly a new information will cross your path with a plot-twist. The rabbit hole is very deep... Just don't wander too deep in a single journey, because you can lose your mind. Give it a time to "digest" new info, so you won't get "knowledge poisoning" and go crazy by eating too much RedPills at the same time. Slowly, but steadily.

When searching for the truth, remember:

1."It is a mark of an educated mind to entertain an idea without accepting it."
2."All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
3."History is a lie agreed upon."
4."The truth is out there."
5."Search and ye shall find."
6."The truth is stranger than fiction."

>>11665821
Based. Its pure Millenium optimism energy (until 9/11 anyway) and is very grounded compared to the usual shimmering space magic nonstory nonsense of 21st century SciFi.

I would give all of Voyager let alone anything that came after for a full 7 season run of Enterprise. Theres alot of crap and heaps of weak as hell episodes but the Test pilot angle and the Human under dogs isolated in an unwelcoming universe stuff is up there with peak Trek. Love the opening too. Glad i was a kid then so I didnt hate it for being different. Just wish Trek would gonback to story of the week episodes.

>>11666094
kek

>>11665465
You missed another one: Kodiak Island, Alaska.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Spaceport_Complex_%E2%80%93_Alaska

It's mostly for military launches but there have been some commercial payloads launched too. Interestingly one of them was a solar sail cubesat.

>>11666500
Ok but how does this help me get a black gf? I’ve only dated whites so far.

>>11666280
Stack happened tonight >>11665878

SN6 is catching up too. Maybe we'll see SN7 in coming week or two.

>>11665692
God, I wish. Despite everything, I still want to see Nasa turn into slightly less of a shit show.

>>11666553
I think all the SLS hate comes from people who loved the shuttle and can't understand how badly they're fucking up a LESS advanced rocket than the one that flew for 30 years.

>>11665780
YOU CAN‘T JUST BUILD CITIES ON THE MOON! IT‘S RUINING THE NIGHT SKY!

>>11665795
To be fair, while this does help, CO2 at high altitudes is more potent, so this doesn‘t offset the entire greenhouse effect caused by Starship/Superheavy.
On the other hand, I guess it permanently removes some CO2 from the atmosphere by firing engines in space. Even if the amount is negligible, I do like the thought of this.

>>11666576
Ha ha He3 reactor go booooooom.

>>11666439
>>11666443
>>11666500
If supporting space exploration means backing the deep state, pass the fuckin spirit cooking

>>11665829
yeah, dorsal radiators

>>11666217
>believes in rocket science and orbital mechanics, but CO2 reflecting heat is too complex to understand
Whew lad.

>>11666645
Shhhhhhhhhhh,there's no point. Ignore.

So how about that wacky SpinLaunch company? I'm understandably skeptical but by god the design is so crazy that i have to like it. Yeeting rockets out at over mach 3 is hilarious.

>>11666554
Shuttle was nice when it had its debut. Some cool technology in there that mostly worked. It should never have flown for 30 years though. Not with the original designs largely untouched when its major design flaws were apparent from the start. That was madness.

>>11666645
Ok we'll just power our rockets with hopes and dreams then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2dEpe8WS1A

muh dick

Meanwhile in Norway, Norwegian government passed over funding Andøya Rocket Range as a launch site the other day, again, leaving more or less only Scotland as the leading alternative for small sat launches in Europe.
Because we can't use money or innovate in this country. More important to use tax money on building wind power plants for foreign hedge funds to power Germany with no money left behind for the local communities hosting them.

Fucking Green Economy scam.

>>11666662
The same political process that forced an absurd amount of compromises during the design phase strangled every replacement or complement.
The STS launch stack was already a superheavy lift vehicle, so something like that but without an orbiter would've made a lot of sense (given the inevitable mandate to use STS components) several decades ago.

>>11666702
The psuedo-malthusian anti-humanist greens disgust me. Nihilism and misanthropy masquerading as virtue.

Rocketry is HOT. Every nation that can should be leaping into space. Get the word out. The space economy is going to go apeshit.

>>11666665
>rockets run on hydro(carbons)
>therefore CO2 doesn‘t reflect heat
Nice try.

Anyway, for now, it doesn‘t matter since space industry is so fucking tiny and irrelevant. Once SpaceX gets a shuttle service to Mars going with tankers fueling tankers fueling tankers, just do ISRU on earth. It‘s not a magic bullet, but it‘ll help. And the tech needs to be reliable at scale at that point anyway.
Elon already said they‘re gonna do it at Boca anyway so there‘s nothing really to argue about.

>>11666726
musk could go full madman and build enormous solar farms and atmospheric harvesters and make all his RP-1 out of carbon from the air.

that would be based as fuck, such a flex

>>11666730
I doubt they‘ll even be using RP1 anymore by the time they could build such a solution.
Oh well. Maybe after Starlink makes them richer than god.

>>11666730
>RP-1 out of carbon from the air
Nah, but he would be able to make methane out of carbon dioxide with a sabatier process. Kerosene is too complex a hydrocarbon to just pull out of the air and RP-1 needs some serious refining to further purify.

>>11666726
Nice strawman retard you can't even keep track of your own arguments.

>>11666586
The fact is that if he can make the technology economical to remove even a trivial amount of CO2 and turn it into something beneficial, he'll have done more as a throwaway byproduct of space exploration than any of the climate extremists have done in decades of bitching about pickup trucks.
Plus if the tech becomes efficient enough to be viable with the dinky level of solar power they get on Mars, then chances are that they can scale it up big time on Earth if they want to really up it in those people's face.

>>11666759
There's aren't huge amounts of free, clear, flat ground on Earth to put solar panels for electrolysis and sabatier production, unlike on Mars.

>>11666761
Mars is nothing BUT free clear ground

>tfw no static fire tonight

>>11665804
>But try to convince the world to put a nuke on your rocket without worrying about it exploding in 80,000 feet in the air and spreading radioactive material over millions of miles

I know how to get that done.

>>11665962
https://youtu.be/ISyDyvHD5LI
Song used in SpaceX's tweet
>inb4 everyone can use Shazam

Remider: ULA destroyed a US government spy satellite on the ground.

>>11666844
What the fuck happened there?

>>11666844
And that's a good thing

>>11666844
ULA gets btfo and less spyware cancer in orbit, sounds like a win win to me desu.

>>11666847
lol, never mind. I found the pdf.
"Aside from the missing 24 bolts that attach the interface to the TOC, 44 bolts were not installed between the booster plate and the TOC plate. It is possible the technician did not notice a few extra missing bolts. (Holes are in very close proximity to each other)."

Sounds and looks like they didn't put anything but the usual 4 bolts you put in at first to keep stuff from moving around when you line it up.

>>11666855
>didn't notice 68 missing bolts

That mounting probably cost the taxpayer a few million dollars too.

>>11666868
Count them in the picture on the mounting plate. They put in leading bolts so it wouldn't slide off, then forgot to put in the rest. Zero QC.

>>11666136
Because Facebook can be used to gather data on the citizenry.

>>11665962
Sadly the gravity field isn't spherical, whether the toggle is on or off

>>11666430
The size of this fairing feels quite weird compared to the rest of the rocket

How are you fags expecting to begin terraforming mars or the moon in a decade when we can't even terraform the most inhospitable locations here?

>>11666844
RESULTS
OVER
RHETORIC

>>11667001
Because If we start a terraformning project on Mars, nobody can scream "NOOOOO muh rare desert shrub, you can't turn this wasteland into anything productive"

>>11667001
Terraforming is a joke, it's all downside. No one is terraforming anything.

>>11666702
I wouldn't bet on Scotland either, despite having lots of smallsat engineers they are also full of nimby MUH HIGHLANDS envirofags, and the UK government are also too retarded to properly invest in any opportunity no matter how hard it slaps them in the face. see Black Arrow

>>11667030
There's always going to be people that want to live in an environment that doesn't require constant upkeep and discipline. Even if getting stuck in a gravity well is the price to pay

>>11667036
If they're so fragile how are they supposed to put up with the fact that they'll spend their entire lives toiling on a dead-end errand that even their great grandchildren won't see the payoff of?

>>11667035
Well, they're currently the ones furthest along. It just fucking pisses me off, we have an economic crisis looming, a government waxing lyrically about the need to rebuild the economy and then they refuse to invest in ANYTHING that might be future proof.
And the rockets? Hybrid tech releasing water vapour. Muh environment assholes can eat a dick.

100+ jobs at Andøya in the future vs. 2-3 janitor jobs per wind power plant where the money and power will just vanish out of the country. It's infuriating. The wind power plants ravage the nature too.

>>11667001
We could do that, it’d just make religious environmentalists cry.

>>11667001
humans terraform literally everywhere we live, whether its redirecting rivers, drying up lakes or building cities like Venice

>>11667035
>MUH HIGHLANDS
Pretty funny considering that the whole island was developed beyond recognition of its natural state thousands of years hence, what is even left to protect?

>>11666765
Isn’t the northern hemisphere abnormally flat?

>>11667026
>>11667045
Who's going to cry about a literal wasteland like he Austrial outback?

>>11667052
Environmentalists. They care about “nature”, not humanity.

>>11667048
There's still tons of nature reserves and natural environments here, you'd know that if you left your house. Even the park near me, in a major city, has a larg woodland with swamps that is almost untouched.

>>11667048
literally nothing, it's fucking taiga

>>11667039
Its also the sense of permanence. A terraformed planet is something that will endure much longer than any technological artifact you can build in orbit, even on an asteroid. I can understand why somebody would toil so their descendants don't have to worry about life support systems

>>11667047
>yfw people complain about land use when the land wouldn't even exist if it weren't for humans...

>>11667063
Muh moss species

>>11667048
>here's your spaceport bro

https://www.google.com/maps/@58.5433485,-4.4491011,3a,75y,165.45h,85.48t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sHwSNrDMZTg_aymXOrzqUJg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DHwSNrDMZTg_aymXOrzqUJg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D82.15699%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

>>11667065
If that's really your concern you can design a closed loop system without terraforming a whole planet, but more importantly if my descendants become so lazy and retarded that they can't upkeep the systems keeping them alive, they should probably die off for the wellbeing of the species. All they're going to do is toil on a rock until it burns up anyway.

>>11666094

>>11667084
There should always be some apocalypse proof part of civilization, that endures even in the face of total technological collapse, so there is somebody left to rebuild. Until you have millions of artificial habs floating around, terraformed colonies are a nice insurance policy.

>>11667026
>>11667045
>>11667056
Why don't we just make an artificial one?

>>11666094

>>11667090
Like I said you can just make a closed loop hab. It would be a dramatic undertaking, but still less than terraforming a planet with none of random unknown factors you're likely to have ruin your day when trying to transform an existing and dynamic environment. And unlike the oh so "resiliant" terraformed planet it could be kept well protected from impacts.

In any case, we will have swarming space infrastructure well before anyone's done terraforming anything, barring a catastrophe or technological lapse that strikes well before any of this could be considered in the first place.

>>11666847
The front fell off.

>>11667106
Nah, I found the pdf with the report. Everything fell off because they didn't screw it in.
At all.

>>11667101
True, even though I think it is smart to terraform, it is just too great of an undertaking, and orbital habs will probably be legion before anybody terraforms anything. The thing is, I can't help but worry about an ecosystem where malicious software can speed at the speed of light and there is no such thing as non critical systems.

>>11667111
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D3m5qxZm_JqM&ved=2ahUKEwid-uCL5LDpAhXlx4UKHSHeA2AQwqsBMAZ6BAgLEAM&usg=AOvVaw30tPcTS3v68BuPvLqbncio
It's a joke.

>>11667124
>New Zealand comedy duo
Too niche, dude.

>>11667111
Pushing mass savings to the limit. Just imagine how many satellites are in orbit right now with a couple screws missing here and there.

>>11667114
It strikes me as unlikely that throughout a moderately developed system with habitats owned and operated many light-minutes apart that everything would be so homogenous as to be to be susceptible to the same attack. If they are, someone's not doing their job if there isn't some offline backup for critical systems.

You also have the problem that any attack that is so complete is going to affect planetary assets as well. There's no getting around that. If you're absolutely paranoid, though, you can take the same closed loop hab as before and have all your test monkeys live in an isolated offline environment, though good luck getting anyone to live there (unless you want to backup your civilization with slaves or prisoners).

>>11667129
lol. Doubt that's what happened though.
I've put together enough shit over the years to realize what happened the second I found the report. They put in the usual 4 bolts to line it up, then forgot everything else.
Most people remember to put in the rest of the bolts, apparently ULA didn't have routines for checking small shit like that.

Not like it matters, it's only tax payer money anyways. That's how these projects run.

>>11667125
>too niche
welcome to 4chan, newcomer!
i have seen the joke "the front fell off" at least 50 times so far in these threads

>>11667129
>>11667136
>super smart scientists and engineers
>cant remember to put a few bolts in

>>11667147
So I'm relatively new to /sci/, do I have to go through a hazing ritual or something with your sheep shagger comedy duo involved?

>>11667154
yes

>>11667150
Being intelligent doesn't mean you can't be absentminded, although more likely given that this is oldspace there's a total systemic failure starting up the chain that results in this stuff.

>>11666238
>>11666291

>sexiest rocket design coming through

>>11665657
> I'd imagine that they are going to want dozens of launches before they are actually willing to put people in space.
Good thing starship is meant to be able launch 3 times per day.

>>11667129
Oh no :^0 What if they fall off the sky?

>>11665699
>>11665703
NASA's purpose will be scientific missions, but it will use privately designed spacecraft to carry these out.

If Starship works, what effect do you think it could have on the Chinese moon program? Would they scrap Long March 9 and plan a lunar landing around existing rockets and in orbit assembly? Would they forget about a moon mission until they have a Starship competitor? Would they just stay the course and build Long March 9?

>>11667214
ideally it would render every space program around the world entirely pointless

>>11666665
We'll power them with adrenochrome.

>>11667238
Based and Thiel-pilled

>>11667124
die reddit

>>11667214
Communist China will be destroyed by its nascent Christian revolution before then

Road closure starts in a hour. We might have a static fire or a small hop.
Probably not a pressure test because the engine is attached.
Source: Pic related.

>>11667272
They got a road closure in the middle of the day? Interesting, they'll probably not do a hop though because this is the first time testing SN20.

Alameda county has caved in and allowed Tesla to stay open.

>>11667325
Not quite. They've allowed them to open next week.

>>11667334
No, they allowed them to expand their basic operations this week and fully open next week. They caved in.

>>11667352
Ah, ok. My local media is being shit with their reporting then.

>>11667354
I love Elon Musk but the precedent seems a little alarming. Could we one day end up with a world like the one in Aliens where corporations have largely supplanted the state? Will Mars be a corporate planet?

>>11667359
Oh you mean like the one we live on?

>>11667359
what do you mean "one day"?

>>11667354
Local media is shit these days, but so are the national media. You have to read it straight from the paper/source to get the real picture.

>>11667359
Its not a Elon vs State. Its Elon vs county officials making arbitrary decisions. Not based on science, not based on safety, not based on law. Just an executive order. One that's likely unlawful and unconstitutional.

>>11665666
Shut off and move on to another looney psyop. The JIDF needs to make sure no one thinks of Zionist influence in the US if it's got the same reputation as "THE MUN LANDING WUZ FAYK"

>>11667363
"Local" as in my country. I don't follow Elon's every little move and particularly don't give a shit about Tesla.

>>11667361
>>11667362
I knew these responses were coming.
Corporations have a lot of influence in society but it’s not Weyland-Yutani yet.

>>11667373
Lobbying runs the world and the only ones who can afford to do that are corporations. Don't kid yourself.

>>11665833
>MUH STARVING NIGLETS
The best thing to do to these shitholes is to just let them die on their own.

>>11667373
It was literally "why are you letting all these other companies open already, but not us?" That's hardly Weyland-Yutani.

>>11667373
it does seem like an inevitable conclusion of capitalism

>>11667375
Literally this

>>11666844
>>11666871
>Zero QC
I know its fun to poke them while they're down, but...
>Boeing involved in anything
>Poor QC
Sometimes the truth hurts lol

>>11667359
One corporation calling a minor authority's bluff and getting away with it is nothing next to the vast hybrid corporate-state infrastructure we've been laboring under for years, THAT is the precedent.

And yes Mars will probably be a 'corporate' planet, blame the lack of a cohesive approach to off-Earth sovereign territory.

>>11667274
What raptor was on SN4 the other day when they did a test fire? SN19? I haven't kept up with the raptor engines since the water tower hop.

>>11667395
SN18

>>11667390
>And yes Mars will probably be a 'corporate' planet

I’m fine with that. I love money and making it. I hear “CHACHING” sounds in my head whenever I check my bank account and see my paycheck in it, even when I worked fast food. It felt freeing and empowering.

>>11667272
Updated page aid 1500meter. So maybe 1.5km hop?

>>11666519
Maybe get new pants first. I see the fucking Columbia wing hole in them

>>11666645
I’m aware it causes warming, I just don’t care. I hate the winter anyway.

>>11667415
summer weather is disgusting

>>11667429
based and winter pilled

>>11667359
Don't worry about it, the corporation is a superior system of governance to the state. The corporation actually has to compete for your dollar.

>>11667429
based
fuck summer, fuck being hot, fuck sweating, fuck sunburn, fuck eye strain, fuck the sun.

>>11667154
not even a sci thing, seen it on /gif/, /b/, /tg/, /his/, and thats just the ones i remember from the past couple weeks newfriend.

>>11667448
I haven't been on /b/ since chanology was a thing.
So yeah, shall we play who's the oldfag or shall we go back to discussing space flight?

>>11667443
Hot weather is for non-whites

>>11667359
>end up
?
Have you looked around?

>>11667448
"The front fell off" meme got big last year when it happened to one of the Starship pressure tests. It was such a perfect use for that meme that anyone had ever come across it in the past went nuts with it, especially on YouTube.

>>11667397
Until the first mars revolt ofcourse, and with 6 months for earth to send in the mercs the rebels have enough time to prepare.
And the corporations don't nuke their own installations so the "revolutionaries" will be safe there.
And a 100 years later you have the MCRN.

>>11667503
My favorite will forever be "don't shuck the puck"

>>11667460
No, we adapt.

>>11667519
>And a 100 years later you have the MCRN
Good

>>11667527
All of the hot areas that were formerly white are being flooded by non-whites.

Fuck off with the racist tangent

>>11667519
>6 months for earth to send in the mercs
By the time there is a large enough colony for a revolution the travel time would be 3 months or less, potentially 1 month.

>>11667503
Wasn’t that Starship built so the front wouldn’t fall off?

>>11667560
Just revolt on the wrong side of the departure window dummy

>>11667571
I was assuming he was talking about a revolt on the right side of the depature window, but yes you shouldn't revolt when it's fastest for the enemy to reach you.

>>11667274
Agree.
>>11667399
Idk. They have a 20km permission starting may 20th I think.

>>11667582
I doubt the 20 klick test will actually be may 20th. More realistically it'll be early june.

>>11667536
Seethe

They wont do anything risky anymore so close to the manned launch.

>>11667594
Cope

>>11667535
Because (((someone))) keeps orchestrating that shit.

>>11667597
They JUST pressure tested SN4 at 7.5 bar. The whole "they won't do anything risky" narrative should be dead with that.

There's always going to be significant shit happening around SpaceX, if they halted every time nothing would get done.

>>11667443
Summers in cold countries are the best. They're hot enough so you can enjoy a swim at the beach, but not so hot your skin could boil off your back if you laid on some asphalt. Also, you actually get snow in the winters.

>>11667611
https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=61403 Who do you think?

>>11667132
>It strikes me as unlikely that throughout a moderately developed system with habitats owned and operated many light-minutes apart that everything would be so homogenous as to be to be susceptible to the same attack.
And that's why Microsoft products must not be allowed in space.

>>11667619
This

>>11667625
the real solution is to rewrite all software from the ground up every 5 years. More frequently if you can handle it. Old, poorly understood software is what is vulnerable.

>>11667625
I do enjoy the versatility with OSs like Windows 7 though. Would there happen to be a Linux OS that happens to just mimic the Windows UI? I've already seen fanmade Windows OSs like Whistler, so I figure there should be a few.

The LM 5 corw stage managed to reach orbit with 22 tonnes payload, before reentering yesterday and flattening an African village.

Just what is its actual LEO performance?

they're testing during the day today?

>>11667638
Now you don't have universal attacks but each junction is full of vulnerabilities on turnover. Just take all critical systems offline, better yet make them all analog. If your life support or station keeping need complex inputs or constant fiddling that itself seems like a pretty exploitable situation.

How are we taking pets to mars?
How unbelievably cute will dogs and cats be in 0g?

Road closure canceled, test rescheduled to tomorrow.

>>11667674
A cat in zero G is an untethered ball of knives. They could probably be pretty impressive with practice. I imagine the problem with both being that you can't give them resistance training and so they may be susceptible to develop issues even on short journeys.

>>11667689
>untethered ball of knives
Well put. As someone who's had to give adult cats flea baths, I can attest to this.
I still have scars almost 30 years later.

>>11667674
>How are we taking pets to mars?

In cages....?
I will breed a new species of Martian rats

>>11667689
>an untethered ball of knive
awww they are so cute
And you can give them resistance training, just put them to run after something on a thread mill like you do with humans.
>>11667691
noob

>>11667689
Going to the bathroom might be challenging. How would we do that?
How could we simulate a sand box for example?

>>11667709
My cat would leave dead minks on the door mat as a "gift" for me. This was not some cuddly little in door shitter.

>>11666871
QC usually has their own climate controlled room Where they do their check lists before/after assembly. Whoever dumped this was prolly moving it

>>11667674
>tfw no sassy space cat that has been genetically engineered to speak

>>11667080
Shit weather

>>11667715
Cute. I was partially joking, people usually have difficulty bathing cats because they don’t know the proper technique. Use warm shallow water, hold them with confidence but not too much strength, like you hold women, and don’t be nervous about it.

>>11667719
I want to squeeze the cheeks.

>>11667714
>How could we simulate a sand box for example?
I don't know, but the vacuum cleaner approach astronauts use will probably not work.

>>11667566
>Wasn’t that Starship built so the front wouldn’t fall off?
Well it was, but then something went wrong.
>What went wrong?
The front fell off.

>>11667783
kek

>>11667674
>>11667689
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVtpwRSyYSM

>>11666094
JETTISON AGENA

>>11666623
I never stated I'm against "Deep State", I just pointed out the truth about Mr. Musk, because most people seem to believe in fairy-tales regarding him and operations he is involved with. Frankly, companies at that level are either created from the beginning by CIA assets or over time infiltrated by them.

>>11667001
how exactly would you make places on earth more earth-like?

>>11667859
>just give up, don't bother, the CIA already has influence
Go stand in an exhaust plume.

>>11667178
It'll be years before that sort of cadence is actually realistic. The level of infrastructure and regulatory approval just to make them physically able to do those launches isn't going to show up overnight, and that's not to mention the ships that will be lost or any modifications that will need to be done between all of the early orbital iterations.
Once we're at the levels of using Starship for suborbital transit then sure, 3 launches a day seems realistic, but we're going to need a lot more of a "traditional" launch cadence just to work out all the kinks and get the entire system to a point where it can actually be that reliable.

>>11667860
Bring more cats into it.

>>11667876
You must have been living under the rock the last ~7 decades? CIA has their hands in every meaningful company, one way or the other. Intel CPUs have backdoors built-in and you can bet Tesla cars do too. That's the entire point.

>>11667880
One big thing they could do is a guaranteed monthly or weekly smallsat rideshare launch. Just knowing that's out there will have a lot more people building payloads.

>>11667907
Your English is very clearly non-native. I don't have to give a fuck what foreigners think about my government.

>>11667907
Okay?

It doesn't matter at all to what we're talking about. He could be an agent for the Scientologists, the North Koreans, or the Opus Dei, and we wouldn't care because this thread is about rockets and not politics.

>>11667909
Inb4 they start offering bulk discounts on payload tonnage, or a Massdrop style of "for every additional smallsat, the cost goes down!"

>>11667930
That'd be neat. Instead of agonizing over which smallsat design to deploy, do two or three alternatives at once. I can see shared downlinks like AWS Ground Station making gorillions of dollars with that many smallsats around.

>>11667674
Mars is not 0g, its ~38% of Earth. 10 lb cat will weight ~ 4 lb. If its 0g, then they'll float with 0 lb

Today's test cancelled, same time tomorrow 9-9

>>11667984
Mars isn't 0g but the trip there is unless we have spinny habs.

What’s the orbital velocity in LMO

>>11668028
Habitat module can spin slowly.

>>11668057
About 1.6 km/s for orbiting the Moon

>>11668028
It's fine, you only need a rotohab with a total diameter of 40m to get a solid .35g if it's spinning at 4 rpm. There will be a few days to a week of acclimation necessary but that's not bad at all, practically 100% of people with some level of space training will acclimate to it almost immediately.

>>11668105
I meant Mars sorry

>>11668121
I feel like some type of artificial gravity is the only way to get land animals onto Mars.

I think the two-starships-tied-together-with-zylon strat is the best idea in the short to medium term.

>>11668132
Rats and mice do okay in 0-g. They cling onto the walls of wire cages and climb along them and figure out how to jump from wall-to-wall.

>>11668135
What about the poop though?

>>11668138
It just sort of floats around. You could engineer a system to suck it out of the rat-hab thru holes small enough for the poop pellets and urine to go through but too big for the rats into a repository where it can be recycled into nutrients and drinkable water using bacterial cultures and what-not. Remove rodents and place in kennels while you clean the cage as need be.

>>11668123
ah shit dude

>>11668135
I now picture a cow doing backflips in skylab.

>https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-05-12/spacex-musk-california
A panel member from The Employment Training Panel of California wants to block SpaceX's funding request to train 1000 employees because of Tesla situation.

>>11668123
Depending on your definition of "Low" Mars orbit, between ~3.2 and 4 km/s by my estimation based on pic related. You can look at the full animation at this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter#/media/File:Animation_of_Mars_Reconnaissance_Orbiter_trajectory_around_Mars.gif

>>11668178
SpaceX headquarters moving to Texas or maybe Florida as well it seems

>>11668178
So why is commiefornia so against tesla opening up while all other car plants have already restarted across the US?

>>11668178
fucking retard apes
burn government down now

>>11668155
A rat-hab would be volume-efficient and comfortable for the habitants because they’re rats who are fine with dark, enclosed spaces. Layer it like a modular beehive and you could fit fifteen rats in a cubic meter or more. It might be a good idea to bring such a thing to the first Mars expeditions because we can observe and study the effects of the lower gravity on their reproduction cycles, which is important information for future, more permanent human expeditions.

>>11668178
>“Elon Musk’s Twitter tantrum and habitual focus on profits over people leaves a very sour impression,” Gretchen Newsom, who is also the political director for the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers union, said in an email.
>“The state of California has done much to subsidize and support Tesla, all while Tesla continues with its outrageous and disruptive layoff practices, has endangered workers with a harsh work environment and OSHA [Occupational Safety and Health Administration] violations, and opposes efforts for workers to have a voice, respect, and representation on the job.”

>>11668183
California is ran by authoritarians

>>11668183
Because Tesla is white owned even though Musk mostly just hires cheap spic workers

>>11668181
Cool. Thanks

>https://satmap.space/

>>11668191
SHE'S A CHINESE AGENT

https://obrag.org/2015/10/new-president-of-ob-town-council-gretchen-newsom-loves-obs-uniqueness/

>Kris and Gretchen were fortunate to go to China and study – she stayed for 6 months, he for a year, and both learned Chinese. They lived in a small town of Xian, smack in the middle of China, with a mere 8 million residents; “it’s home of the Terra Cotta Warriors,” Gretchen told me.

>>11668222
allegedly there's a tomb in that complex with a river of mercury that they haven't opened because they don't want to ruin it like they ruined the terracotta warriors (which were originally painted)

>>11668222
Well, it would be a damn shame for California if he just packed up all his shit and moved it to Texas.
That's a lot of lost revenue.

>>11668222
>small town
>mere 8 million

>NASA advisory committee meeting
>pic from Lisa Watson-Morgan who is managing the Human Landing System for NASA.

NASA finally taking Starship seriously

>>11668239
>Starship storage

Starship propellant depot variant confirmed?

>>11668241
That was pretty much in the cards, wasn't it?

>>11668239
I wonder if any Starships will get Skylabbed on the surface of another world or in orbit. Lot of room in there.

>>11668245
IIRC that's the plan for Mars. Lob a bunch of cargo Starships there before the crew so they can set up ISRU and have living space right away.

>>11668255
it would be good if they did the original plan for Skylab (converting the fuel tanks into habitable space). Loads more room for living on the surface of Mars.

>>11668280
If they can get a crane or something to turn them on their sides the cargo emplacements could be laid in a trench and overlaid with regolith and you suddenly have a pretty good base for a habitat.

>>11668280
That would be kind of hard to do on the ones that they plan to re-launch, since that's where they're putting the ISRU fuel.

>>11668307
yeah I mean the ones they're keeping there, obviously lol

>>11668305
TUUUUUUUUBES

>>11667916
>>11667921
>>11667876

>>11667443
Sauna bathing in finland in the summer is where its at

>>11668226
Well I wouldn‘t go in a room where a mercury river had been sitting for a few thousand years.

>NASA's Doug Loverro: Prior to March 17 shutdown for COVID-19, SLS Green Run operations at Stennis were running 10 days ahead of schedule. Had hoped to ship core stage by the end of October, but now, "We do not think we can hold that date." Operations starting to get going again.

>>11668239
People should build more methane powered things that could refuel off of a storage starship.
Can we lift New Glenn or Vulcan cores all the way into orbit somehow?
Obviously pointless, just memeing.

Also
>Gateway compatible
If you have a Starship around or on the moon, what the fuck do you need gateway for.

>>11668377
every time I read a statement like this, I hear yakety sax

>>11668245
Guaranteed. First Mars colony is gonna be a rocket garden with a big basement.

>>11668386
>If you have a Starship around or on the moon, what the fuck do you need gateway for.
Those are the kind of practical questions that you don't ask when your job is to mark off boxes on a congressional checklist.

>>11668191
>Muh workers

>>11668386
>If you have a Starship around or on the moon, what the fuck do you need gateway for.
Placating the euros, nips, leafs, and Ivan who all want to build modules for it.
>hey guys you know that international prestige moonbase project we invited you to work on and you spent years developing your parts for
>it's canceled because some dude built massive fully reusable rockets in a junk yard in Texas and can put pieces bigger than the entire station in TLI once a month indefinitely
>good luck with your suddenly obsolete space programs
The State Department is not eager to make that phone call.

>>11668377
>We do not think we can hold that date.
Wake me up inside.

>>11668421
>>good luck with your suddenly obsolete space programs
this is the most exciting part. I can't wait for the realization to dawn on them that they could have just DONE IT the whole time, but they wasted their time making baby steps and placating politicians.

What will people eat on the way to and back from Mars, and on-site?

>>11668421
>The State Department is not eager to make that phone call.
The call waits for no man.

>>11668460
Doritos and microwave burritos. Much like the venerable Mexican steel smiths who built the first starships.

>>11668228
That's china for you

>>11668426
We really need an accepting your death variant on the SLS at this rate.

>>11668453
>that sudden shocking realization in pop culture that space flight is actually not a meme and everyone has just been grumpy and dismissive about it for no reason other than governments just having sucked at it
>that weird sinking feeling that suddenly there‘s all this uninhabited space in some weird nationless legal limbo in reach after we‘ve been stuck on this overcrowded, completely claimed and completely limited rock
>people may start to use "the system“ instead of "this planet" to address all of humanity‘s living space
I want it so bad.
Please, Starship. Please just work.

Can we just do steroids to counteract muscle and bone density loss in lower gravity?

>>11668532
Steroids have nasty side effects, so no.

>>11668532
All you need is regular resistance exercise and heavier weights. If you could bench 2pl8 on Earf than you could probably bench five on Mars, but that's the only significant difference. Same for space, once you have hundreds of tons of material going up every year it becomes trivially easy to build large rotating space stations that can create 1g of simulated gravity or more.

>>11668532
Why do you want to?

>>11668532
No, we need our astronauts past the age of 35.

>>11668532
Bone and muscle loss is a dead meme with regular low rep high resistance training. In 0G for long enough duration you get blood flow issues, but as long as you have some gravity like Mars or the Moon that shouldn't happen as everything's going in the right direction.

>>11668387
If i had the editing skills i would be working on a video right now using SLS, Boeing and yakety sax

>>11668568
>first few seconds before the sax is just the scroll down the list of SLS contractors

>>11668239
>Spacious Cabin
big enough to fit the two other lander designs

>>11668363
It's way better in the winter because you can run out in to the snow out of the sauna

>>11668562
Yeah, exercise can help a lot for the trip to mars in 0g, but the fluid build up in the skull and in the eyes is something that we haven't got a solution for as far as i know.
Pressure on the skull and eyes that possible can createpermanent damage is not desirable for your astronauts who are going on an expedition to mars that will span years.

>>11668239
>Gateway compatible
It's bigger than the entire Gateway design, lel. Unless they were planning on using Starship to expand it?

>>11668741
Like I said, most of "an expedition to mars that will span years" will be spent ON Mars, where fluids drain in the right direction. Even the two 3-6 month stints there and back should be within tolerable limits.

>>11668743
>Unless they were planning on using Starship to expand it?
>ISS2 boondoggaloo: lunar edition
I want to see Starships putting up stations granted but I dread NASA abominations

>>11668784
>not stuffing them in the back of a cybertruck like astromexicans immigrating to space
never gonna make it

>>11668789
Cybertruck for his Starship. Model X for Crew Dragon. Its been slated as such for many years.

>>11668793
Alright nevermind, I admire that aesthetic consistency.

>>11668774
Do we have an inflatable module vendor now that Bigelow went tits up?

>>11668789
>>not stuffing them in the back of a cybertruck like astromexicans immigrating to space
We're going to build an orbital ring and Moonxico is going to pay for it.

tfw hope that Dear Moon will happen before the Nasa mission to show that SpaceX is capable of going their own way.