/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11463100
Should I stop smoking weed, or will my 24 year old immune system take care of me?

>>11463100
Based fearmongerer not including the number recovered

At which point does it become better to get infected early so there are still hospital beds? It seems like pretty much everyone will get infected (unless they live in the woods)

>>11463059
?

A second person got tested positive here in Sri Lanka.

>>11463120
You should

The real epidemics are racism and xenophobia

>>11463148

>>11463124
>14% recovered in guangdong test positive again

> 15 million to die
lmao you doomfags are so fucking wrong it's cringe

>>11463603
Worse part is that these faggots are tanking the economy.
This is why we need censorship and authoritarianism

The way I see it, on a scale of 1-10 of severity, if the necessary precautions are taken, this outbreak would be a 4 or 5. If no action is taken, this shit would worsen significantly to 6 or 7, but luckily we live in an advanced enough society that I think enough shit is happening that despite the incompetence, shit should end up relatively OK.

Just buy some extra food and supplies, get comfy and wait this one out.

>>11463604
If the economy is that votile and sensitive, it deserves to collapse. It's not. Things will be fine. Shit might get a bit rocky, but it be that way sometimes.

>>11463604
The economy was already tanking. I just find weird that in the last great crisis back in 2009 there was also a pandemic scare with the pig flu.

>>11463100

thread theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuGEICM43kE

Apologize

Get the fuck back to /pol/! Get your paws of this board

>>11464387
/pol/ is too fast
no

WE'RE DYING, PLEASE HELP

>>11465037
Nah

This isn't fun anymore

>>11463100
So, coronaviruses are enveloped, which generally means that they're more susceptible to environmental degradation. Will someone explain to me exactly why this won't drop off over the summer? There doesn't seem to be an animal reservoir that easily infects humans yet.

>>11465048

Yeah, it stopped being a meme for me today as well. t. grocery store manager

>>11463100
Who quarantined here?

>be 3rd year med student
>doing rotations
>school goes to remote online learning
>rotations get canceled for at least 4 weeks
>exam schedule gets fucked
>school says we'll have to finish any incomoplete rotations after graduation

God this is a fucking mess

>>11465060
Holy fuck shopping lately has been cancer. I go in to get weekly groceries and the preppers buy everything. I honestly feel sorry for you.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/ohio-department-of-health-director-suggests-over-100000-ohioans-have-coronavirus-right-now

>tfw symptoms for 4 weeks now
>been to the doctor three times
>ER once
>still not tested because I'm not a perfect match, my fever isn't high enough
>state says there's probably 100k undiagnosed infected in the state
>have to go to work tomorrow or automatically lose my job due to my work's ridiculous attendance policy

This is just a sick, sick joke.

How long are antibiotics supposed to take to kick in? I started a round of amoxicillin three days ago and I don't feel any better yet. And if it's not bacterial...

>>11465075
There's a simple solution -- if you run out of food, just order an industrial supply of Chinese takeout. Nobody else is ordering, and they'd love to have your business.

>>11465077
Relax anon, you shouldn't take the advice of boomer politicians. You likely just have the seasonal flu.

>>11465075
There's a million grocery delivery services now, just use those

>>11465077
Antibiotics wont do shit to corona.

They will help with sequellae bacterial infections though

>>11465077
Antibiotics won't do anything, and because we worship corporations don't expect leave anytime soon. Just try to enjoy witnessing the crash.

>>11465084
The worst part is, I'd be fine if I had it and was diagnosed. I would not have any difficulty getting leave from my work for that -- just not for regular illnesses. Even if said regular illness is a respiratory infection in this political climate. I've literally racked up 5 points in the past month with this shit despite having doctors notes for the whole time frame -- doesn't matter to the policy.

>>11465090
>>11465091
I know. Doctor thinks I have bacterial bronchitis, though, so she's prescribed antibiotics. But if it's not bacterial... then it's time to worry.

>>11465095
>political climate
What the fuck am I saying, please excuse my half-functioning brain. Words are hard.

>>11465095
Get a new job. The one you have sucks

Any recommendations on what to do if you have primary ciliary dyskinesia (immotile cilia) and you contract coronavirus?

I know the virus is present in my state and the number of cases is expanding. I've been following hand washing guidelines and generally haven't been too concerned but now I'm beginning to worry a little. I'm very susceptible to pneumonia, typically I recover with antibiotics but typically the infections I've gotten have been bacterial, not viral or stemming from complications related to a viral infection. I also don't typically take a rescue inhaler or nebulizer treatment or a bronchodilator when I'm healthy either so I don't have any medication on hand or prescriptions. I'm slightly worried if I get the virus it will delay my access to medication since they don't want you to visit the office and then if I'm quarantined I can't actually pick up my prescriptions and nobody will bring them to me if I'm infected.
While I don't think the odds are super high that I can die I think the risk is significantly elevated above the general population and I'm looking for advice.

>>11465111
My recommendation is to stay quarantined.

There's not enough studies out yet to say how it'll effect people with ciliary dyskinesia specifically, but I'd say that you're the type of person can kill.

Just stay inside and enjoy some shitposting and vidya

>>11465072
I'm an M1. I guess I got lucky.

>>11465111
Get your meds refilled now, you could also do a delivery drug service. Call your pharmacy and get ylur prescription tramsferred over.

Call your primary and ask them for general medical advice.

If you do show signs or symptoms. Go to an ER. I feel like ERs are probably blowing up with bullshit cases right now, but you definitely have a legitimate reason to go.

Get a respirator mask if you can.

Good luck out there anon

Did anyone else buy an OV P100? I understand the rationale behind telling people not to panic-buy N95s, but the media saying that P100s are "unnecessary" seems more like crabs in a bucket to me.

>>11465087

All of which ultimately depend on the brick-and-mortar retailer who is presently obliged to severely limit quantities. I see the mentality, hour-by-hour: first it was cleaning stuff, right about now people are remembering that they have to eat, and are going for the cans. I was very short with a guy who tried to get in at closing and I felt badly about it afterwards.

>>11465105

It's a bit late for that.

>>11465123
I still have to go to work unfortunately. It's not a public service job thankfully. Outside of work I'm generally staying home which is more or less what I normally do anyway.

>>11465130
Alright, I'll call my doctor tomorrow and see if I can get some new prescriptions to head off any problems. Thanks.

I've been thinking about the true mortality rate and the diamond princess produces a fantastic case study. We know that everybody on board was tested so there are no cases of people having too mild symptoms that they never get detected so the infected number is the TRUE number unlike the case for nations.

It currently has a deathrate of 1% but taking deaths as a percentage of recovered + dead produces a deathrate of 2% which is likely to be much more accurate and we can predict that ~ 14 people should die out of the 700 infected when all is said and done. I don't know what the age distribution of the diamond princess is but I'm guessing its on the older side which mean the true deathrate is going to be at most 2%.

This also seems to suggest that south koreas reported infected cases would be somewhat close to the actual number of infected in south korea which is inline with the extensive testing that south korea has done for the virus, while in italy ATLEAST 40k possibly much more are infected which is inline with there policy of not testing people unless they are at the hospitalisation stage.

>>11465077
antibiotics stop you from getting worse because bacteria take advantage of your weakened immune system.

>>11465077
100k is too high, but there are undiagnosed cases and you probably aren't one of them.

If alcohol kills viruses and bacteria will being drunk inhibit the virus (or other pathogens) ability to move between cells?

>>11465196
>2%
okay dokey

>>11465262
>OUTSIDE
Short for outside china

>>11465244
Maybe but I think the stress caused on your organs would weaken your immune system and more than cancel any sanitizing effect.

>>11463120
I don't think it's a serious problem, but you will never hurt yourself by smoking less weed so of you are worried then there is no reason not to take a break

>>11463152
i never realized how retarded richard dawkins was,thank you

>>11465291
Weird because he's been retarded for a long time

>>11465269
what if your an alcoholic and your organs are used to it like an abused housewife

Where the fuck can I buy respirators that will protect me dudes

>>11465291
if you actually read the article youd know that the us is blocking every european country EXCEPT england which is completely arbitrary. youre the real retard

>>11463120
Vaping weed properly with a vaporizer (the one that fills a big bag) and without tobacco, if you're the only one to use it and clean it properly with ethanol and such after/before use shouldn't be a problem.

Tobacco? Fuck no. Now would be a good time to kick the habit. It's too late for me as I have heart complications so I'm going to die anyway since ACE2 is predominantly in heart (and kidney and testicle) cells, but I hope people who still have a future ahead of them realize it's not too late to quit now and eliminate a major risk factor before they catch it, this bug loves laying waste to lung cells through literally an arsenal of mechanisms so just fucking quit.

>>11463100
Some numbers add up. China is a country with 1.3 billion people. A couple Chinese tourists and workers managed to spread it since maybe november in countries everywhere and that was enough to throw all of these countries into a crisis. But China itself has a bigger population than the EU, it's as big as multiple countries. It should have experienced outbreakes in more than one place. Even more so since the initial outbreak was, according to media, ignored and kept under wraps. But apparently only one province was shut down and it didn't spread to anywhere else. That's as absurd as treating the EU as one country, saying Italy is the hotspot and then shutting it down and it never appears anywhere else.
Currently the Chinese outbreak topped out at below 100k with 1 digit new infections per day now, when the country has 1.3 billon people and it could probably spread freely for more than two months in the entire country, but in the rest of the world every other country expects 70% (i.e. millions) infection levels? Closing down Wuhan wouldn't do jack shit. It would have popped up in every province and every major city of China in the same way it pops up in every small country worldwide now.

>25
>healthy and exercise five times a week
>13% body fat, no heart disease, no diabetes, no problems with breathing
>haven't had a cold in two years and never had a flu despite working at a medical clinic

How common is cytokine storm syndrome? Only thing that freaks me out

>Coronavirus: Hubei government deletes report claiming Covid-19 could damage male fertility
>•Men who have contracted the disease and recovered should seek medical advice regarding ‘theoretical’ risk to their reproductive health, Wuhan hospital says
>•Article was widely shared on social media despite being pulled from provincial government’s website just hours after being uploaded
>It is theoretically possible that Covid-19 could be damaging to men’s reproductive health, according to an article published on the Hubei government’s website on Thursday, only to be removed a few hours later. Men who had contracted the disease and recovered from it should seek medical advice on whether it might have had a detrimental impact on their fertility, said the piece, which was produced by a team from the reproductive medicine centre at Tongji Hospital in Wuhan, the capital of Hubei.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074945/coronavirus-hubei-government-deletes-report-claiming-covid-19

>>11463127
This is retarded. You might not even get sick if you get infected, but by getting infected now you’re only contributing to the spread and the influx of patients. Just take regular precautions (social distancing, hand washing) and you’ll either be fine or at least lighten the load on our hospitals

>>11465196
Mortality rate is estimated to be below 1%. All we can do is manage how many people are needing treatment by slowing the spread. A cruise ship is not a good sample size for any meaningful analysis.

you really don't get immune?

The US is only blocking european countries in the schengen area.

Brazil BTFO by coronachan

>>11465997
Which doesn't do shit as we have over 1k cases domestically

>>11465244
Sounds like someone needs a vacation

>>11465244
>alcohol kills viruses and bacteria
It's not any alcohol, though. We're talking about these 70% concentration bottles you can buy.
Being drunk also fucks up your immune system, and weakens all of your body. That means your body will not only not be fit to fight the virus, but you'll also be more vulnerable to the symptoms.

>>11463391
Sauce? Honest question

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THESE OLD PEOPLE ARE AN EXPENSIVE LUXURY. NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE TO PAY THEIR PENSIONS FOR EVER THEY'RE LITERALLY CAUSING TOTAL FINANCIAL AND ECONOMIC COLLAPSE.
FUCK OLD PEOPLE!!!!

>>11466090
Dilate.

Can anyone link me to information about the heat resistance of sars-cov-2? I want to disinfect equipment in my oven.

>>11463148
I wish.

Is it true than mutts have to pay money to get a test in the US or is that a myth?

>>11466245
$3000 USD lmao

good thing I live in Canada, phew dodged a bullet

>>11465640
Too late for that. Shit's either sold out, backordered, or ridiculously priced. 3M isn't distributing it to regular customers anymore.

>>11466245
Apparently people are being billed $3000+ if they don't have proper coverage, so working-class people living paycheck to paycheck will definitely not be doing voluntary tests anytime soon. Shaping up to be a pretty wild ride in the US.

>>11466245
The federal government will pay for tests.

is there a way to sterilize air and keep it breathable?

>>11466292

does it include the 20% tip for the person collecting the saliva?

>>11463152
lol based dawkins

>>11466292
>muh WIIIILLD RIIIIIIDEEE
kill yourself. also testing doesn’t matter for shit when the symptoms are so recognizable

>>11466364
>muh WIIIILLD RIIIIIIDEEE
btr

>>11466345
you can filter it if a certified filter

>>11466088
the op

>>11463100
finally a containment fred

>>11463100
>/cvg/
>>>/pol/

>>11465751
>A cruise ship is not a good sample size for any meaningful analysis.
but s. korea has more data and it's similar to the cruise ship

https://twitter.com/ZeClint/status/1238517047216222210
29 years old boomer without comorbidities

>>11466839
>>>>/pol/

>>11465262
I realized my calculation* is too crude. It's using median times, but should use distributions instead. Both for detection to death and infection to detection. The latter is not implemented even in this crude form. This means that to the degree this is accurate, it represents the number of infections at least 5 days earlier than the give date (5 days is median time from infection to emergence of symptoms). I will stop doing this now.

* - Details in the second /asg/ thread >>11452494 here on /sci/.

>>11466960
no offense but what's the source of that scan?

>>11465443
What if I smoke like once a week am I going to be kill

>>>/pol/

All the major unis in my state are transitioning to online classes

>>11466108
pls help

HOLY FUCK BROS THIS IS REAL A CORONAVIRUS JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE

some /sfg/ related news: India announced delay of its next GSLV launch due to Corona-virus.

>>11464019
>It's not

>>11465059
>There doesn't seem to be an animal reservoir that easily infects humans yet.

It's called other humans. Animals don't cough on their hands and hold them out to be shaken

>>11465077
>have to go to work tomorrow or automatically lose my job due to my work's ridiculous attendance policy

Say you'll come in if you can shake your boss's hand.

>>11465196
Were they all tested? I thought the quarantine failed so they eventually got everyone off the ship and flew them out.

Anyway the problem is there isn't a true mortality rate. It widely varies based on how well you can treat the infected population. Treating a few hundred on a cruise ship is easy. When hundreds of thousands are infected nationwide the hospitals are going to have to choose who live and dies.

>>11465426
I think the UK should be banned but they aren't in the schengen area with open borders like the rest of europe, so their infection rate should climb slower. They also havn't broken past 1000 confirmed, but again I don't care I still want them banned. I wanted italy banned when the press was asking about it.

I have corona, What to do now?

>>11467807
The confirmed numbers in the UK can't be compared with the schengen countries because the UK is barely testing anybody

New numbers from South Korea: 11,000 tested, only 100 new cases.

You people are retarded freaking out about this.

>>11467814
spread it to boomers

>>11467814
go to bingo

>>11467814
Travel the world

>>11468089
stop it asshole I don't' want to die.

>>11467313
The source is the guy himself, he's a radiologist

>>11468214
Do you know him personally or what?

>>11463604
censorship and authoritarianism in China decided there needed to be a forced quarantine of entire cities and grins the econony to a halt.
Neoliberals can't even look up facts.

>>11468333
Nah, but he's a fairly known french doctor on twitter and often shares medical insight.
No reason for him to bullshit now.

Did a long 24 hour travel a week ago with a half dozen connections, been coughing for 3 days and it seems to be getting slowly worse.
I'm in my late 20s, what would you guys do?

>>11468347
see if you can get tested, self quaratnine

>>11468333
it's not like no one else has been raising alarm regarding young adults, the guy on joe rogan and one french scientist advising Macron (in a conference at the academy of science, so no meme bullshit) talked about cytokine storm

>>11468351
Cant; america, Alaska.
Done already.

Thanks for the reaffirmation.

>>11468352
>joe rogan
kys

>>11468356
Nice job ignoring the rest of my sentence, retard

>>11468360
didn't ignore it, that's enough reason to kys tho

>>11463152
at this point, when 500k infected are already in U.S., the ban is worthless - just gives a false sense of security

>>11466960
What should I be seeing here?

Thoughts?
https://twitter.com/JeffreyLuscombe/status/1238259139823927302

>>11468418
oh nothing, it's just literal airborne aids

Any anons knowledgeable in Rhematology here? I suffer from RA and have no idea how I might protect myself. I used to take immune suppressants but I haven't taken them in a long time– I know they would leave me open to a more severe infection, but at the same time, would a compromised immune system do less damage to my lungs?

>>11468430
Fibrosis from cytokine release syndrome induced ARDS? We already knew SARS-1 and MERS could induce permanent lung damage.

folding@home started coronavirus project. should we join?

>>11463100
my mom is a nurse in her 60s, is she gonna be ok

People are starting to clap at noon here

>>11465205
they also make you fat and give you food allergies

>>11468447
panicing wouldn't do good, make her immune system higher to increase the odds of her living.

>>11468504
>panicing wouldn't do good, make her immune system higher to increase the odds of her living.
Does panicking decrease it?

Is this the correct stance to take?
>NHS England had announced an increase in testing capabilities which would allow them to carry out 10,000 tests a day But after the UK moved from the 'containment' phase to 'delay', the Government accepted millions would be infected and testing was no longer a priority.

>>11468447

>>11468529
>little known about a virus that emerged a few months ago
>letting 70% of the population get infected when there isn't enough medical care even if you are "flattening the curve"
>god only knows what new strains can emerge
>no border closure allowing potential reinfection of other countries once the first wave of the disease has passed
Its somehow even more negligent than the Wuhan CCP covering things up in December

>>11468443
I read that Coronavirus causes fibrosis in two ways, the first one is by killing cilia in the lungs and the second is through the cytokine storm. I also saw there was a paper on medrxiv on interstitial pneumonia due to coronavirus floating around but I haven't taken the time to read it.

>>11468573
It's either a 300IQ 4D chess move or the dumbest decision in history. I'm going for the latter.

>>11468580
Considering a lot of western media outlets and public health bureaucrats have been saying "quarantines don't work lol," there wasn't a chance in hell that it was ever the former.

>>11468590
>the virus doesn't have a passport

>>11468447
shes at a higher risk of getting it, also there is evidence to suggest that a "better immune system" puts you at a higher risk of dying as well (not a single child from 0-9 years old has died yet)

so tell her you love her now

>>11468597
>"better immune system"
you what mate

im a uni student who rarely goes outside with no underlying health issues
am i at risk
why am i afraid

>>11468611
because its going to affect everyone for years and it could be seasonal and mutate etc etc

>>11468615
Why doesn't seasonal flu do this?

>>11463152
Full schizo mode

>>11468447
Did you honestly think this would be a good place to ask this

>>11468615
>could

>>11465671
If you don't overexpose yourself you're fine

What is the website with live information about it? It has a black background and a big world map

>>11468665
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

>>11468669
Thanks!

>>11468338
>there needed to be a forced quarantine of entire cities
and it worked. What is your point?

Any reliable info on the situation in the UAE?
I can't imagine it spread far with how isolated families tend to be and the gov telling people to pray at home.

>>11468679
he's accusing people who are for a quarantine of being dumb and the reason we need censorship and dictatorship (to let the markets live)

I made the point that censorship and dictatorship actually worked, but by doing the exact opposite of what he wants them to do.

>>11467792
Won't matter. An absence is an absence. Even doctor's notes don't work -- I racked up 5 points in the first two weeks of this despite having doctors notes for the entire time. I have to get official medical leave to avoid getting points, and that's a right bitch to get even in the best of times when you have a clean diagnosis.

Doctor still won't put me on the test list. Wants me to finish the antibiotic treatment, wait another week and a half. It's been five days since I started it and it hasn't responded yet... I know it wouldn't be cured in five days, but everything I read everywhere says I should start feeling better 2 to 3 days after starting antibiotics. I feel worse 5 days after than when I started.

At this point I feel like I need to start anonymously calling up corporate HR. Letting them know, I know I'm endangering people but literally you've got me up against the wall with a gun to my head. My options are risk the doctor being incorrect, which seems more likely by the day, and continue to expose everyone I work with, or quit. Quit right as a recession -- or depression -- seems poised to hit the entire economy, and lose my medical coverage for the illness I definitely have that may or may not be something serious.

>>11468865
I feel sorry for you anon but I hope you take a partial responsibility for getting into this situation.

>>11468669
>Madagascar not hit

>>11468886
What responsibility? I neither made this policy nor chose to have the illness I currently have.

It's not even my manager's fault. They literally have no leeway with which to excuse an absence. All absences must be reported, and all absences must be pointed. That is the policy, and there are no exceptions.

Prior to this incident, I had two points from absences relating to a workplace injury last year, and two half points from being late. Nine points and you're out. It takes a year for them to fall off. Had I not been late those times, I could put off going to work for one more day... which would not make the difference.

Short of not working for this garbage ass company I don't see what else I could have done.

Hey uh... i just want to ask, but is true that masturbation increases the defenses against the virus?
i do not believe a lot of that seeing that i haven't seen the source, so getting information on it would be nice
T. italian who's stayin at home.

>>11468898
>Short of not working for this garbage ass company I don't see what else I could have done.
This and
>I have to get official medical leave to avoid getting points, and that's a right bitch to get even in the best of times when you have a clean diagnosis.
And having some safety net in case you get booted because it can happen any time anyway.

>>11468908
go ahead and squeeze your sausage maurizio, it's the best defense there is

>>11468914
Yeah but where is the source of that, just to be sure.

I need to know who to sue if my sausage gets ripped out and i begin to bleed.

how about them amazonic bats

>>11468447
in italy thare are very few deaths in the 60-70 bracket
all of them had at least 2 comorbidities, mainly diabetes and hypertension, some were obese

>>11469042
>tfw obese with hypertension at 30 years old
am i going to end up in a hospital, bros

>>11469056
>30 yo
no deaths below 50, just few people in ICU for 1 week tops

>>11469068
there have been a few deaths under 50. yesterday two people in their 30s died and today a 47yo man

>>11469071
no, they have died *with* the virus, not *for* the virus
source: ISS (italian heathcare institute)
the doctors are putting all the deaths in the same category, without checking, the ISS is the authority that checks each patient with more accuracy. no newspaper will say this
the total number of deaths *for* the covid19 is 3 as of today

>>11468914
>>11468917
Well?
Any source?

>>11469079
please link that's interesting

>>11469056
yes, although probably not because of corona-chan

>>11469085
give me a second, it's in italian you have to translate it

i have this screenshot from the pdf

>>11469085
>>11469088
https://www.iss.it/documents/20126/0/Report+per+COVID+2019_ITA_Draft_2020-03-13_FINAL.pdf

Why no new data from France? Did they just say "fuck it"?

>>11463391
They're more than likely relapses

>>11468590
Quarantines would've worked in the crucial initial stages in December and early January when the CCP fucked up big time and silenced, buried, denied and censored everything.
It's still good practice to prevent the spread as much as possible, but because the CCP fucked up so big, that's "only" to flatten the curve rather than to have any hope of containing the virus, because it had already spread across the world thoroughly by the time they finally admitted it existed and was happening.

So when's the UK lockdown?
Orders from above say I have to leave uni and fly home and I probably need to be out before then

>>11469132
4500 total confirmed cases. 91 deaths
People are panicking, seems like they are about 2 days behind Italy in terms of severity. Paris is shutting down. Looks like they are going ahead with elections even though gatherings of large groups are banned...

How do i make an electricity generator with a stuff like pic related.
I dont have many tools or skills btw

>>11469353
There won't be a UK lockdown.
Boris literally went on tv and said "many are going to lose their loved ones, big whoop".

How long do you guys think the lockdown will last in canada?

>>11469374
https://archive.nothingburger.today/-General/Survival/

>>11469403
I live in London I’m pretty sure that lockdowns if not officially declared will start to be self imposed by the majority on a large scale when people start to loose their shit even more next week

My grandmother takes naproxen(Cox1+2 NSAID) and etanercept (TNF-alfa-inhibitor) for her rheumatoid arthritis. Both of those medications increase the amount of ACE2 in the lungs. ACE2 allows Covid-19 to enter the body more effectively. She's not sick yet but what should advice should I give in case she does get sick? She lives in another country so I can't easily be with her. She also takes Tramadol for pain.

>>11469270
>>11466088

"14-Feb: Reinfection possible and even deadlier
"https://archive.is/Iw58p"

>>11463152
"Never meet your heroes."
Dawkins is a massive retard on Twitter.

>>11465077
The NHS says to use antibiotics to help with symptoms. It won't cure you but may help with any pain.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-advice/

>>11469674
>sources: chinese doctors
That being said, the heart attacks are a side effect of the meds they were pumping into patients to see what would work, the relapse just made it worse

>>11469705
Uh, kindly stop ruining my doomsday narrative, faggot. I'm having fun.

I keep wondering. How does prior blood donation affect flu progression? Is it same, worse or better for the person who donated blood?

>>11463100
Why are people who survived the COVID-19 susceptible to get it again? Hasn't their immune system produced enough antivirus bodies to combat it again?

>>11469843
They very likely aren't susceptible. False negative tests and temporary relief of symptoms will result in people being cleared too early, and then when they relapse they're labeled "reinfected" when they never really recovered in the first place.

>>11469854
hmm

>The underlying idea behind a vaccination — or even “chicken pox parties” — is that exposure to a virus will trigger the immune system to generate antibodies that will shield that person from that virus in the future. But according to Chinese health officials, the antibodies created after a 2019-nCoV infection aren’t always strong enough to keep patients from getting sick again. –Futurism

https://futurism.com/neoscope/scientists-warn-coronavirus-more-than-once

>>11469866
https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/radiol.2020200343
The criteria used in these studies for "recovered" heavily rely on negative RT-PCR results. Here you see the use of CT scans to demonstrate a disturbing number of false negatives

>>11469901
see
>>11469710

Some world leaders are saying that "we're all gonna get it"... is that true, /sci/? What are the odds that you'd be able to avoid the infection until there's a vaccine?

What makes COVID-19 vaccine more difficult than a flue vaccine, for example?

>>11469962
If you're under 50 and not obese it will just be a really shitty flu. Otherwise... well you should be praying you catch in between waves when the hospitals aren't full.

>>11469970
>not obese

>>11469970
>really shitty flu
any more info on what's it like to get this thing? like day-by-day blog or something?
I'm amazed that some YT narcissist hasn't already stared a VLOG about it.

I've had shortness of breath and kind of asthma ish feelings for a few days now, no fever or cough, but several people at work were out with bronchitis and my roommates(parents) have been sick as well, but got checked and they're just normie sick.

Should I see a doc?

Are people with auto immune diseases like crohns at risk?

/sci/, is this really the end? Countries are closing off with military involved. I'm really scared. Our stores don't have any inventory for food.

>>11470161
It sure does feel like it. All just to let some boomers live a few years longer

>>11470191
even on his deathbed the boomer manages to fuck everyone over

>>11470220
everything they touch

I ate a Phillipine homos ass 2 weeks ago and made out with him. I immediately had postnasal drip. I now see redness in my throat and I have shortness of breath. (potentially related to sleep deprivation, Ritalin usage, anxiety and exertion.

Am I paranoid or am I in the process of killing my parents through proximity? (30 here)

I had a SLIGHT cough on Wednesday but nothing fancy.

>>11470161
For you? Maybe.

>>11470243
Lol, you're screwed, faggot

>>11470243
Isolate yourself from them as much as possible just to be sure.

how long till the UK collapses

>>11470258
3 fiddy as expeted

>>11470258
When the realization hits that they're being used like lab rats in a novel disease

>>11469962
>"we're all gonna get it"
No virus can really infect everyone, there is a saturation point. Though for this it might be as high as 70% of the world's population.

>What are the odds that you'd be able to avoid the infection until there's a vaccine?
It depends on how long you're able to hunker down and what type of living situation you have.
If you're heavily stocked up and/or live in bumfuck nowhere you'll be fine. If you got 2 weeks of food and live in an urban environment you're fucked.

>>11470284
>Boris Johnson rn

>>11470257
I was hoping y'all would be like "nah, you're paranoid".

Didnt/dont have fever and I didnt REALLY cough. Havent coughed in the last two weeks properly. Ive been awake for over 24 hours and before that I slept 4 hours and was awake a long ass time. Questionable usage of Ritalin. That might explain the short breath.

I dunno man.

>>11469843
One of my family members had influenza couple of years ago, and even though we told him to not do anything physically demanding after his symptoms seemingly stopped after a week of being sick and fever went down. He didn't listen, he got sicker than before the next day and was out for another full week+3 until fully recovered.

The lesson here is don't be a retard.

Save us Cure-Chan!

>>11470303
This is going to be hilarious, UK is literally engaging in defeatism and passing it off as some galaxy brain plan, while using questionable and outright wrong assumptions to justify it.
>mfw Anglos fuck themselves raw

>>11470320
Beat it fag, this is a Nurgle thread!

Why is this disease worse for fat people? I'm skinny as fuck but healthy otherwise and I was worried me being underweight would make it more dangerous, but apparently fatties have it even worse?

>>11468597
Because young children’s immune system are younger and stronger than that of adults. They aren’t better or worse.

>>11470331
Coronavirus damages the organs that already already damaged/strained by obesity.

>>11470331
they can barely breathe as it is

Is it true that it fucks up your testicles and T levels ? does it affect the brain too ?

>>11470364
>Is it true that it fucks up your testicles and T levels
Potentially under circumstances, there are some articles say that it does, there are some that say that it doesn't.
Its a new virus, a lot is unknown, and what is known isn't understood to the nth degree.

Which incidentally why the "plan" that the Bongs intend to enact is so retarded.

>>11470337
retard of the day award goes to you
>young childrens immune system is younger
what are you even saying here? yes, no shit.
>stronger than an adults
?????????????????????????? literally the exact opposite, how can you even be dumb enouhg to say this

>>11470320
Save ME cure-chan my asshole has been bloody for a while.

>>11468604
>you what mate
as far as i know there have been zero coronavirus deaths to date of someone less than 10 years old. this is either because children are more likely to have coronavirus antibodies (1/3rd of all coronavirus cases traditionally are children), which doesn't seem like it actually explains anything, or the very antibodies that protect you from most other diseases are somehow particularly harmful for this one

>>11470388
as you age you become more susceptible and factor in western diet and lifestyle and a young child’s immune system, while not “experienced”, is most likely in better shape to handle a virus. Again, the main point is having a “better” immune system does not increase chances of severity or death, as you claim

>>11470320
save us, cure-chan!

>>11470364
Can cause inflammation or some small discomfort upon “use”. Not unheard of with viral diseases, they should heal within a week of defeating corona.

>>11470537
tldr you’ll just be unable to waggle for 2-3 weeks and if you’re critical, for 6

Lads i had heavy bacterial pneumonia five years ago. Trust me you are gonna KNOW its pneumonia lmao. Lotta coughing before it gets bad too.

Get methylprednisolone if you can, its what doctrs give for this

John McAfee is going off but how the virus is a total hoax and won't kill nearly as many people as the media says it will.

says it's a manufactured scare but doesn't explain why and to what end.

Is he insane or something? The media hype is suspicious but even souless monsters have something to worry about when even they can get infected

>>11468338
censorship and authoritarianism also got wuhan ripped to shreds initially, retard

>>11465072
imagine getting price gouged by colleges and then being raped like this...

>>11465077
if you're in the us and are sick you won't lose your fucking job for not going, you slave fuck. If they fire you, you can sue them.

>>11470369
>Its a new virus
It's been around for over 3 months and it still seems like nobody's figured out anything about it

>>11469441
Holy shit, this is cool

>>11470607

it's not about keeping a job, it's about getting a check, it's fucked man.

>>11465640
SHIT all I have are surgical n99 masks. They're not airtight. But I've been using them to go out in the public places and I always stay away from crowds. Always.

>>11470631
well maybe don't get a check anymore, stop getting cucked

better to live in the street stinky than be a fucking bitch

Why the fuck has Canada not locked down yet?

Are we going on the UK's wild ride of idiocy too? Fuck Trudeau I don't want to die.

>>11470576
How can one get this without prescription.

How do you even stop this thing? Vaccines won't work, it has the same recombination rate as influenza. 2/3 of the population getting sick won't prevent reinfection, because it's going to go seasonal. They are going to come up with universal anti-viral cure?

>>11463604
>tanking the economy.
Implying that the economy on credit binges and systemic issues wouldn't be heading into a recession anyway

>>11465037
If you're American, then show us your insurance papers

>>11470243
>I ate a Phillipine homos ass 2 weeks ago

>>11470320
Save us, Cure-Chan!

>>11470607
>if you're in the us and are sick you won't lose your fucking job for not going
Incorrect. They can't fire you BECAUSE of the illness, but they can because of other issues. Such as the attendance problem that the illness caused.

You think a lawyer didn't go over this policy before they implemented it?

>>11470660
Shutting our borders to slow the spread of a deadly virus would be racist you bigot.

>>11470588
The funny thing, conspiratards like him would be spouting the exact opposite, that it's the second coming the Black Death, if the roles were reversed.

>>11470800

>>11470161
If you're from Spain, which I think you are, This is natural. People have been retarded for a long time and buying suddenly. This is what caused the shortage and it will last one day or two. Normies are mass buying. This also happened in China, and weeks later they still had food.
t. was in one of the Chinese lockdown cities.

.Doesn't help that Spaniard normies are fucking stupid and ignoring the quarantine

>>11463100
>https://nextstrain.org/ncov
Wtf does this mean

>Trudeau's wife dies
>he keeps the borders open until everyone is infected
>Trudeau's wife recovers
>he keeps the borders open because it's nothingpoutine

were all gonna die and all you fags can do is argue

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>11471107
YOU are gonna die, not me

>>11463100
Honestly you people laugh at toilet paper hoarders, but you really dont have enough toilet paper yourselves. The average person uses 1 roll per day. If you have a family of 4, that's 28 rolls a week. Over 100 a month. TP rolls will be worth their weight in gold in a few months, because everyone needs it.

>>11471186
When the hell is this meme going to die?

>>11470826
The very fact that this argument is happening is proof that were going to fuck this up. A pandemic occurs and in response progs decided to be woke, and then conservatives decide it would be a good time to own the libs. We're not going to get the structural reform or a good coordinated response to the problem, we;re gonna get more insincere, obscurantist, partisan bickering.

>>11471107
Jokes on you, I live in a Rural area and stocked up weeks ago.

>>11465640
All of the non-medical masks shown here suck air in through the filters but blow out unfiltered exhales. It won't do anything to stop an infected person from spreading the virus.

>>11471210
First thing about Biden's plan is that we should not be racist. That whole party is fucking insane.

I read somewhere that Wuhan survivors were recommending Vitamin C. Does it do anything to help?

>>11470982
>Wtf does this mean
it means it's mutating. and mutating fast.

>>11471222
Naturally, though not all of these mutations are particularly signifigant, some probabily will be.

>>11468886
lmao classic /sci/

>>11471228
Problem is that 'herd immunity' cannot be achieved and the same person can get infected by multiple strains.

>>11471220
it's always good. eat some oranges, not tablets.

>>11471210
The CCP already fucked it up for everyone, all that remains is mitigating the scale of the disaster and providing care and relief, discovering the truth and gathering useful data, and using those to help those affected, support medical personnel, and finally collapsing the Party so this shit doesn't keep happening to the Chinese people and the world again and again, clearly the only thing the CCP learned from SARS was how to sweep the ashes under the rug again only now with 600 million people using heavily controlled, manipulated and real-time censored social media, as well as the world watching. Or maybe the lesson was how to use an outbreak or even make an outbreak happen for political purposes or rather sheer survival (for party officials).

>>11471238
Not necessarily.

>>11471241
>The CCP already fucked it up
True, but the sheer ineptitude of western countries proves that our institutions and governments weren't prepared for this shit at all.
Europe and America are going to handle this way worse than South Korea, despite South Korea being in greater proximity to China and having less time to properly response.

>>11471250
>Europe and America are going to handle this way worse
That's a given. US, especially, is fucked because of the health care system in place. Currently, health care system is all about making money and less about fighting diseases and making decisions that based on what's best for the community. This is why there's been an abysmal amount of testing. Cities, in some countries are running more tests than whole of the US.

America is becoming what they'll probably end up calling a post-developed nation. Crumbled infrastructure, automated government services, no manufacturing or innovation, serf labor force, minimal literacy.

>>11471254
>US, especially, is fucked because of the health care system in place. Currently, health care system is all about making money
I agree, but that's not the end of it. This goes beyond the profit centric and byzantine organization of the US healthcare system. Most western states are so hollow that everything from local and national governments and institutions top to bottom are too sclerotic to mobilize against this in a timely and effective manner.

how long until trump closes border to mexico?

>>11463100
Are there any data for people taking immunosuppressants for autoimmune disorders or to prevent transplant rejection? There must be at least a million people in the US who are on them, myself included.

>>11471265
Mexico will probably close their border with the US first

>>11471270
wait, stonetoss hates Trump?

>>11471280
He's been criticizing Trump heavily for quite a while now

>>11471281
i thought he was a big fan of Trump at first. lmao, he's literally turning into /pol/. /pol/ praised Trump, but now they hate him (except the retards who unironically believe that Trump hates the Jews but he acts like he likes them, easy pic debunks this)

>>11471284
Considering stone toss did hang out on /pol/ at least as early as 2013, that's not really say much.
He was a big fan of Trump at first (back when he was still red panels) like most of /pol/, but most /pol/ long timers and regulars don't really care for or particularly like an orange jeb bush. His only support left there now is r/T_D and other assorted MIGAtard boomers.

>>11471288
While I dislike him, I'm still voting for him because he's solid shit, it's better than diarrhea (Bernie & Biden). I still really hate those MIGApedes.
>You hate trump? You must be a kike!

>>11471300
2016 will be the only time I ever vote. I've read into a lot of NRx/Formalism in since then and now I'm of the opinion that voting matters even less than what I thought it did.

>>11471308
True, Trump is still gonna win. At least better than Uncle Joe Biden or Commie Bernie Sanders. All presidents are just a waste of time, though I would've wished for Bernie becoming the nomination or president even. Bernie Vs Trump would actually be interesting, Bernie becoming president would be interesting as I want to see all his 'goals' be implemented, it would be a disaster, and would force americans to learn a lesson, hopefully, at least for a few decades.

>>11467774
/thread

>>11471320
Bernie always interested me from an acceleration standpoint. "Bernie's social programs would bankrupt the USG and ruin the economy!" Conservatives cry, and I can't help but agree yet think that would be a good thing.
It wouldn't be the end of liberal democratic obscurantism and I'd still be yearning for a formalist mode of government, but it would really put the globoghomo it on its backfoot.

>>11470309
what dont you know? its possible you have it. staying away from them is the right answer in any case bitch

>>11468420
Putting a Canadian in a locked room is a start I suppose.

>>11471331
That's the thing, if Bernie wins and succeeds, good thing. If Bernie wins and fails, that's also a good-bad thing, it will be kept as a lesson. I really like his Healthcare & College programs, but he wants open borders, and he wants to increase wages towards white people. Two large problems. Weird that black people still like Uncle Joe Biden.

>>11471270
>>11471280
>>11471281
>>11471284
>>11471288
>>11471300
>>11471308
>>11471320
>>11471331
>>11471348
When a political discussion is better at here than /pol/.

>>11471353
There comes a point in every board's history where its dedicated topic is better discussed on other boards.

>>11471348
Even if he did win I'm sure all the de jure and de facto organs of American State power would try to trip him up.

>>11471357
Yeah but /pol/ is different, /pol/tards are generally a new name if your IQ is below -50. There's no way you can talk to these guys without being called a kike or a jew. These people are low IQ retards.

can I get infected through a paper cut

>>11471375
True, but it hasn't been all bad, at least for me. I don't think I would have found my way to moldbug's philosophy without it, even if some ideas like neocamerialism are stupid.

>>11471413
Those are the good stuff about /pol/, but once you disagree with them/they disagree with you, you'll hate this board for eternity.
>kike lmao u kike haha opinion discarded cuz accusation i made, ur a kike

Why do so many epidemics originate from China/East-Asia?
Reading through history there's a disproportionate number coming out of there

>>11463100
bump

>>11471429
no reason at all

>>11471429
Megadiverse bioregions and a warm and humid climate, at least for the south of China, so you get a lot of zoonotic diseases jumping from humans to animals. Then you have to deal with the fact that China is simply very population dense and isn't particularly isolated.

>>11465751
>A cruise ship is not a good sample size for any meaningful analysis.
t. never taken a stats class

>>11463100
the coronavirus has been also predicted.

>>11468611
>im a uni student who rarely goes outside with no underlying health issues

you have a better chance of winning the lottery and dying to a lighting strike on the way to collect the winnings than to die of covid

>>11471442
add that chinks love to fuck with their wildlife instead of letting it be

>>11469441
Where can I download everything there? Zipped I mean.

>>11471466
Ching chong

>>11471466
>wildlife
I just had a horrible revelation, we're a already dealing with some bacteria that are becoming immune to antibiotics.
What's stopping the next pandemic from crawling out of some livestock farm?

>>11463100
>cat got out the other night
>now she has a sneeze
not like this....

>>11471559
i don't think cats can get it

>>11470660
If you eradicate the virus it wins.

>>11471191
when you post the in-store prices

>>11471191
when people stop replying and realize its pasta

>>11470100
It has similar symptoms and severity as the regular flu unless you're old and/or decrepit.

>>11468891
I really do think that people are terrified because governments are terrified. The majority of governments are run by an older crowd of people and if this disease is culling them, it makes sense why they would want to shut things down.

>>11468891
I never thought this would ever manifest IRL even though I've always worried about natural disasters of this caliber.

I think that I contracted this here in the states. I looked through the symptoms of the virus and they differ from source to source but most sources agree that the main symptoms are fever, cough, and shortness of breath. I learned weeks later that there were outbreaks close by. Throughout the greentext, keep in mind that I'm a healthy, active, 24 year old male in a near-stressless upper middle class suburb. I've had a kidney infection one time that resulted in me being ill for about 4 days but other than that, I've never been sick for longer than about 2 days. I do not use drugs and I do not smoke and I very rarely drink. I work one job and attend University two days a week. This takes place last month.

>mom no feel good be sick with cough for 4 days
>come home from work
>mom puking upstairs
>hold hair back like idiot
>said she has been coughing a lot and the phlegm causes her to be nauseous
>"mom, sis take you to doctor tomorrow, okay?"
>"okay"
>study and sleep
>next morning wake up with massive chills and a hacking cough
>chills so bad had socks, pants, wife beater, t-shirt, hoody, 2 blankies, and a comforter over me and could barely feel warm
>shit this is bad
>mom goes to doctor and returns saying that she was diagnosed with a lung infection
>shit this is bad
>okay whatever, i never sick, how long can it last?
>4 days later
>cough very bad, waves of chills, and fever, pounding headache, fatigue like no other, muscle soreness (mostly in my lower back and arms), appetite non-existent, drinking a gallon and a half per day and still thirsty. using nyquil to sleep so i don't wake up in middle of night
>shit this is bad
>by 5th day am okay to walk but the cough is still there and still wretched and chills were mitigated by pajamas and a hoody
>by 6th day, the fatigue and chills almost gone but cough is still there
>use breathing treatment doctor prescribed to mom
>severe cough dissipates in 3 days

(1/2)

>>11471706

Seems like you just need to take your Latuda as pescribed

>>11471720
>Does anybody know what this was? I also want to add that the chills I had were so visceral and deep, it felt like warmth wasn't even a thing. Psychologically, I was having these thoughts that were cyclical. This meaning that I would think about something like a book or film, for example, and that's all I could think about for 30 minutes at a time. If I tried to think about something else, my mind would inject it into the current thought stream, continue, and then that injected though would eventually be lost and it would return back to it's normal thought cycle. I never experienced anything like that before.

(2/2)

>>11469705
>>11469710


27-Feb: Virus hides in neurons, indefinitely escapes recognition
https://archive.is/6NGuH
https://doi.org/10.1002/jmv.25728

>>11471250
>>11471254

Don't forget to blame Trump.

http://archive.is/U38tF

>>11472147
>bullshit, the post
go away

>>11465291
>>11468618
>>11469677
he was doing a parody of trump, retards

>>11471186
>The average person uses 1 roll per day.
Seriously? I use far less than that.

>>11463100
>girlfriend has asthma
uh guys im scared... god i hope shes okay. i should really quit smoking also.

>>11472871
1 risk factor = chance of death
2 risk factors = death likely
3 risk factors = goodbye

Risk factors include age, respiratory illness, heart illness, obesity, diabetes, being a smoker etc.

Chinese men in the 60 to 70 age bracket had a nearly 3x higher death rate than Chinese women in the same age bracket... because they all smoked, and the women didn't.