/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11441715
woah, that's literally me
though i still go to my shit easy but respectable uni every now and then and manage to make progress on my research somehow

>>11441715
information overload, your will is castrated, go on information diet, you will see.

>>11441715
It is caused by lack of male inclusion and low language exchange opportunities/freedom. Society has wrapped itself into a huge knot of anxiety and self-exclusion.

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>>11441715
Holy shit, that's literally me

Guys that's me as a PhD student. I'm not autistic or anything but I've lost motivation and keep procrastinating things. Is this normal?

>>11442183
Your fuck this senses are tingling.
It happens when your bullshit alarm goes off during lecture.
Somebody who is a well respected authority told you to check out the Feynman lectures, your conclusion is that he and the authority are apparently retards. Now you have no choice but to drop out because you have lost all faith in what you are doing. Changing majors is pointless because now you see that even in the most well respected academic circles, retardation is enforced with extreme prejudice.

Ok, its me.

I'm the smartest guy you'll ever meet.

I hate everything about this world. This world hates me. Darth Vader is my biggest hero, not surprising, he's based on hitler.

I used to be in a better position. It was never perfect. Things start snowballing. Now, I've lost everything along with my hope and will.

I live rent free in an RV behind my girlfriend's moms house. Lost my shitty crown vic. Lost my savings between jobs. My internet isnt even good enough to use my ps4. I just research all day. Tried going out last week, drank too much and I blacked out and got arrested. Which is not like me and has never happened before.

I was thinking last night, when I took my dogs out, that the only way for my situation to get worse is if a racoon comes out of the brush and gives me rabies.

Other than that. I'm pretty positive. Trying not to have existential crisis everyday.

>>11441715
Was literally me in the early 20s. I am still like that in my late 20s but now I am completely aware of why. In fact, I can give you the specific scientific reason for why NEETs like that pic's description exist, and why you should become one like me who's in acceptance with this status and does not try to "fix" it.

Now firstly the reason why NEETs like that and in general exist can very easily be explained by evolutionary psychology. Imagine the following scenario: you're in 1935 France, everything is going smoothly for you, you like the party that just got elected and are very optimistic of your first attempt at business by renting a shop in Paris. Then one day, a few years later, you wake up under the military administration of the polar opposite of your values, authoritarian Nazi Germany. You do not like who rules over you and completely disagree with their values, you do not like the hierarchy where Nazi members get all the privileges of business while you have to settle for the scraps, you don't like the abnormal taxation either as not only is it high but now it funnels your money into the occupational army as well. Everything you can do in that environment that is considered productive will sponsor and promote the direct inverse of your personal beliefs, making you a part of it. There is only one way to solve this dissonance: to drop out and retreat in surrender, or to join the resistance and fight for your values.

This is the exact same thing happening to NEETs right now and it'd become absolutely obvious to you if you've been one for a decade and did a minimal introspection, like I have, while browsing the NEET website and listening to other NEET's blogposts for all that time, like I have. The reason for why NEETs gain inertia to finally join society and then something happens and it all vanishes away is precisely because they remind themselves that they never liked this society in the first place and are in fact its loser outcasts.

Cont

>>11442392
This translates to our tribal days where the linear continuation of our current status, it being the beta male who doesn't reproduce, would end up with you never managing to spread your genes. In such an environment the most obvious option would be to go all-in one last time and hope that not only you manage to break out of the beta male event horizon but also become the new alpha and have the risk you just took be rewarded with the highest tier of a prize possible. The beta males who refuse to do that and simply follow the lowest status jobs assigned to them will retain their beta status under the new leadership, so quietly retaining your low-status position is a dysgenic strategy whereas dropping out and dethroning the tribe is the most fit one. The act of dropping out is the refusal of being the worker drone of the alpha. In fact this dynamic translates to literally every setting where social hierarchies are present, from the current tribes of chimps up to the entire medieval structure of the world. The same structure is retained up to modern days and the only thing that changed is that it became more indirect.

The difference between the paragraph above, the example of the French Resistance I gave and the NEETs we have right now is that violent opposition is no longer possible and this is precisely the thing that the modern set of laws aim to minimize through the classification of "terrorism". In an environment where the evolutionary strategy to coup the leadership fires for you yet you consciously remind yourself that it's entirely impossible to do so anymore, the only remaining option is to stop wasting your calories on the futile beta male genetic deadend of "wageslavery" as NEETs like to call it, and to retreat in complete safety hoping that the environment eventually becomes conductive to a coup one day in the near future. This is why nearly every single NEET is radicalized and why everyone subconsciously fears them and their extreme, the incels.

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>>11442183
OMG LITERALLY ME XDD

>>11442395
As for why you should join us and become a fellow NEET. Ask yourself the following question: do you agree with the current society? If you had to drop the bias you accumulated against NEETdom as someone who is most likely benefiting from the current environment in some minor way, can you 100% honestly claim that this is exactly how you'd want to spend your limited time of consciousness on Earth? What if alternatives existed where the set of beliefs and laws you serve under were your exact match and you woke up every day with a full optimistic desire to contribute to that, and not to do it because "you have to"? What if the life you're living and are about to live for the next few decades is inside the event horizon of low status yet you're simply not aware of it yet or have deluded yourself that you'll eventually be the high status billionaire if you remain on this path? Was a calm existence of low status where you challenge no one your honest ideal standard for how your life should look like?
These are questions you've probably never asked yourself and will hear no one else ask as the point of the current regime is not to create more dissidents, it's to prevent them. You can't just go publicly on an interview and start saying stuff like this, hence why no one will ever reach the point of asking themselves these questions unless he spends some time in an environment like this one where debating them is actually possible and not deemed anti-social.

Keep in mind, I'm not trying to make you pull an incel on some school. But do try to look at this perspective for once, against which you've erected a massive blind spot, and see how you truly feel: are you the beneficiary of the status quo, or are you its opponent? Why are you contributing to it then and playing by its rules? What was your exact logical reason for doing the low status long-term beta male strategy you've been doing so far and was it truly your choice, or was it society's?

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>>11442397
Bravo, very intelligent. A coup is the only option.

My last hope is SHTF, but I think it'll be a slow burn into 3rd world status.

>>11441715
If you're like that you just need a kick up the arse and to sort your life out

>>11442397
The institutionalization and indoctrination systems to which we are all victims are especially traumatic for individuals who are exceptionally intelligent. I personally felt completely rejected by every person in the world around me like a splinter being pushed out by the inflammation of the body's immune response, and I'm not even ugly or socially retarded beyond accepted norms and tolerances.
I'm just smarter than you, or anyone you know, could ever hope to be or even imagine. I am the real deal, an autistic savant with a genius IQ and anomalous spatial reasoning and logic scores, photographic memory, highly athletic and charismatic, the works. But every single one of them feared and loathed me and told me so on the regular in myriad petty little unsexy ways, not to signal their virtue or superiority, but in unintentional cues and gestures of disgust and anxiety that rumble up to the surface in an instinct to survive a predator attack.

>>11442422
hmm, okay. but can you blame them? intelligence is everything in this society. it is treated as the ultimate, and only true worth of a person. everyone unconsciously wants to be more intelligent than others, and hates it when someone smarter than themselves is around. being the dumb one is intolerable to everyone. so when someone like you as you described yourself comes around, someone far more intelligent. people hate it. and will reflect that without realizing it.

the compromise is this, be humble. people will really appreciate it if the smart person dosent flaunt theyre intelligence or superiority. every time you use your intelligence in a way they cant you annoy and taunt. at least thats how the human emotions will feel deep down. so showing that you are willingly bringing yourself down closer to theyre level is flattering and will make people like you. you have the ultimate. intelligence. but your also going to theyre level. as for myself i have average intelligence and have nothing that stands out, i have smart friends but personally i like talking to smart people and dont feel threatened. majority of people dont feel the same.

>>11442457
I absolutely don't blame them or anyone for anything. I read Metamorphosis by Kafka in highschool just like everyone else.

Like you said, resisting the forces of ignorance is a fools errand. Literal martyrdom like a monk lighting himself aflame in protest.

If the Romans aren't fixing to literally nail your ass to the cross, you aren't doing it correctly.

>>11441715
Yes. Dopamine is the chemical that motivates the brain to accomplish any rewarding task

>>11442574
>tfw no task is rewarding

>brainlets think jew bux allowance is rewarding

>>11442392
>me good world bad

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>>11442422
can you please write more stuff, I enjoy reading it, you are very eloquent and smart

>>11442623
The world is literally a meat grinder hellscape. The most evil rise to the top and inflict their agenda on everyone else.

>>11442392
>NOOOO GUYYYYSS IT'S NOT MEEEE I AM LITTERALLY FIGHTING NAZIS IN MY HEAAAAAD

>>11442705
Dont mind him. This is how he COPES

>>11441733
>information overload, your will is castrated, go on information diet, you will see.
Is this legitimately a thing? I wonder.

>>11442726
At least you are still human enough for that. You haven't fully goblinized.

>>11442726
I doubt it, the seed is already sown.

Information only distracts me from the the shittier things I would otherwise be focused on.

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>>11442397
do you actually expect anyone to read any of this?

>>11442753
Shouldn't you be coaching potential /b/urger /k/ings on how to lie about your medical history during enlistment?

>>11441715
Don't forget
>thinks he may have many medical problems but doesn't know if they're physical or in his head because he's too socially anxious to schedule a doctor's appointment and leave the house for it

It's called Learned Helplessness and it was described by Seligman et al. in the late 60's. Look it up.
It's the kind of shit that, in one experiment, does more to explain our current age than the entirety of psychology/anthropology/whatever other bullshit people buy nowadays.
If you put someone through enough situations of random punishment where they have no control, they (correctly) give up on the notion that they can change anything with their own two hands.

This is the again the CORRECT course of action. There is nothing inherently wrong with your image. People who got to the learned helplessness stage live in an absurdly shitty artificial life inundated with useless standards and information chasing shit they don't even want, and getting constantly punished by random things they can't control, be it socially, politically, or economically.
Furthermore, read Schopenhauer and Mainlander if you want some outside perspective on this.
You can start helping now by advocating for humane suicide methods and anti-natalism.
Thank you very much for your attention!

>>11442819
Ok but what can you do if already have this condition?

>>11442753
I reddit™

>>11442830
Nothing. You need a miracle.
The second part of the experiment involves dogs who can easily avoid painful shocks by just walking a few steps out of the electric grid, but the learned helplessness makes them just take the shocks passively, without trying to avoid them. Only by physically forcing them to move and showing them this stopped the pain, some of the dogs recovered from this second part.
So maybe you can get someone, or something, to physically force you to do the shit you need to do to "cure" yourself (going to the gym, showering, wiping your ass, getting a haircut) etc. Maybe this is enough to stop your painful "shocks" administered by life. That would be a miracle in its own, both finding the people to do this for you, and that this is enough to make you feel good about life.
But if you're many of the human beings of this generation, you're not in the second part of the experiment. You're in the first. You are in a box where the floor gives you random shocks and there is no way to escape. In that situation the correct course of action is just to give up, as literally only the person in control of the box can stop the shocks. You have no choice on the matter.
In this case the miracle you need is that the person in charge of the box just stops shocking you. Only in this case the box is the world and there is no one person who could decide this in your favor. Nature doesn't seem to give a fuck either.

So in either case you need a miracle. Perhaps you should try moving just to see if it works in your case. I know in mine it doesn't.

>>11442830
Also if learned helplessness is manifesting or being caused by some underlying mood disorder like depression or something you could/should talk to experts about this. This might be what helps you move out of the electric floor.

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>>11442867
Thanks for the insight, anon.

>>11442457
another anon here
to be honest, I'm in the upper 2% of intelligence. but I NEVER floss with it. if anything, I always say that what matters me way more if one has their heart in the right place.

that is wisdom, and no IQ can stand up for it.

>>11442651
not just evil. you can be a dumb evil and get rekt by the police.
you can be smart AND evil AND psychopath/sociopath, that's when you end up on top of society.

>>11442385
push through fren.
life is struggle. I'm 40 and accepted to focus on my shitty small life and not give a fuck about anybody else.
it's the only way to be content with your life imo.

>>11442630
I'm not the last post, but sure.

The advent of the dystopia and the complete pacification of humanity, the supposed state of zero dissent against the status quo that every government right now is striving towards, will happen in a few inevitable steps that aren't what you thought they'd be.
First of all, neural networks and hardware will reach the inevitable level of development that allows them to be much more efficient in what they're trying to achieve right now. Not talking about full AGI singularity. Second, an "immoral" use will be found for them, one that satisfies a huge innate demand. That demand as you probably already guessed, will be porn. Every single desire, from turning your co-worker nude with an accuracy of >90% to using it for the outlawed fetishes will be manifested. This is a natural demand that you simply cannot stop when it's one click away from satisfaction.
A huge culture around using them will appear on the internet, namely on places like this one. Then people, for nothing but the lulz, will start applying them on the president while giving a speech or some female senator (this is already happening with basic xray shops). That will not be enough and they will apply them on every single celebrity, as if the leash is finally broken and you can now reach out for what was a massive insatiable fetish of yours for so long (already happened with inferior NNs and the fappening can be classified as a similar thing). Not enough either, and this will be applied to the forbidden fruits on the very top of the tree of morality (already happening with inferior animations)

>>11442864
life is struggle. if you manage to acknowledge this, you can learn to embrace it in a stoic way, and you'll be able to move on.

you can thank me later.

>>11442914
The third and final step will be the mass moral outrage with these exact celebrities leading the crusade against places like this as the barons, with their troops being their loyal followers, and the political class leading the nation as the dukes and the king. It will be the medieval witch hunt where the entire society is against 4chan and the like. It will not be a violent crowd with pitchforks and the settlement will rather be enforced peacefully: outlawing of anonymity through a multinational institution, outlawing of encryption (currently a thing in some countries) and outlawing of porn (as well). This seems like a minor thing but it's not at all because one last demand will be put forward by the supermajority of outraged people: the outlawing of neural networks so creeps stop undressing everyone's daughters through their instagram profiles. Once civilian usage of neural networks does get outlawed in the west, and you can only imagine how that will be enforced, it will be instantly outlawed elsewhere and especially in places like China. Once the entire globe has outlawed neural network R&D and have made it an entirely government subject, the dystopia will directly follow unopposed. They will claim that they're doing it to maintain order and prevent mass outrages and the fact that they're not lying will specifically be the worst part, because that's the only thing that holds them accountable and challenges their rule. You will not see a single public figure oppose this out of fear of complete ostracization and you will definitely not see politicians doing it either. We don't need full AGI to achieve this, just sufficient enough dumb AI that is good at its job, and the criminalization of encryption. Not claiming that this is certainly the future but it's one of the most likely paths that is more likely than not to happen yet no one really considers it.

>>11442385
It's fascinating to me how someone with a life that fucked up still has a girlfriend willing to give them housing. I have a friend like you who is pretty much addicted to weed and has never accomplished anything in his life yet has always some beautiful woman ready to do everything she can to save him.
He is good looking. Are you too?

Man, must be another world. Despite living miserably I was always an overachiever, and have always struggled with loneliness and whatever women I did date were massively cold. I bet you they'd enjoy seeing me suffer. Can't remotely imagine them taking care of me if I ever needed it.

>>11442915
I already embraced it. I just know that there is a point where too much struggle breaks any man because we are not gods or fable heroes. Not that hard to find examples of stoics who keep shit together until life really throws them for a loop and shows them they/their ideals/etc are nothing.
Knowingly or not, every human being just hopes they never get to see that day.

>>11442935
honestly, I've been there 2 times in my life. one of those times I already offed myself.
then came other struggles which could have been life-devastating if I would have let it go.

like I said, life is struggle. I can't say anything that better depicts life. there's a youtuber Nerdrotic who said, "if life doesn't suck half of the time, it's already good". I highly agree with that sentiment.

>>11442946
*almost offed myself, fuck

>>11442946
>Doesn't suck half the time.
What do I do if that seems like absolutely unattainable paradise to me?

>>11441715
It's caused by fapping.
When was the last time you coomed, OP?

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>>11442956
dunno anon, I'm not mr know-it-all. like I said, the only things that helped me is acknowledging that life is struggle, and secondly the basic life instinct that kept me alive when I wanted to off myself.

I was working in a very depressed state at night, when out of the blue the idea came: I should jump off the 4th floor of the building I was working at. it was such a sudden and crazy urge that I almost did it in an instant. but half a second later something what I would have called a basic life instinct has kicked in and I didn't do it.

it really was a super low point of my life, and I felt literally mentally crazy at that point. if you arrive at that point, you'll get to know your deepest self anon. either you off yourself in an instant, or you keep living.

I kept living, and working my way up. within a week I lost ALL my depression. I kept asking myself, what's the point in being depressed if I won't end it?

I kept learning, lurking, working my way up in life. I think about 18 years have passed since then. I'm now 40, I live alone, changed countries and rebuilt my life from zero, to avoid another catastrophe, caused by partially my bad decisions. life CAN get better, I keep telling this to everybody. push through and you might make it to the point where you'll feel happy being yourself without outer validation.

also there was another super low point in my life before that but the post is already long enough.

>>11442985
literally me on the right

>>11442864
>In this case the miracle you need is that the person in charge of the box just stops shocking you.
The person in charge of the box enjoys shocking me in the worst ways imaginable. I can't leave the box because I have a dependant and I'm the only thing standing between her and him. Some things are greater than yourself, so you retreat into your mind to cope.

>>11441715
The cultural rise of Hedonism

>>11442919
This reminds me so much of David Foster Wallace and the way he predicted snapchat filters and avatars.

posting this from the /pol/ thread

>>11442928
I'm probably slightly above average.

I've known my current girlfriend my whole life. She is a catch. All of my previous girlfriends have been total bitches.

You cant be addicted to weed, but it does become a habit. I smoke as much as possible because life sucks. It doesn't matter for jobs because I'll just work somewhere that doesnt drug test. My previous job I smoked weed with my immediate boss and cocaine with my bosses boss.

I used to be an over achiever. I was moved into higher tier classes and got 100%+ in them a few times. Then I went to college and stopped trying because I saw the sham.

If I continued college, I would only be giving them more money. I dropped out and was working great jobs, then shit just went downhill, systematically.

>>11442985
Literally me

>>11442988
>also there was another super low point in my life before that but the post is already long enough.
Please go on

>>11443086
(1/2)
well, the first huge deep blow below the belly was failing to graduate, where my family almost abandoned me. out of me being lazy and a consequence of unlucky events I ended up being the only one from alumni at 18 who failed to graduate in the entire school.

so what stayed is to work in the family business, that was a cleaning service for hotels and other accomodation services. filthy work, my family kept handling me as if I were the lowest of the low, and I kept destroying myself: uncut hair, uncut beard, I kept listening to metallica all day (ride the lightning and the black album), and other albums on my walkman on full volume to keep myself going and to focus off of the pain of humiliation. working in a dirty and unhealthy environment, basically I got up in the morning, started working while listening to music, and whenever someone visited me, my parents kept humiliating me: "look at this anon, he failed to graduate, he'll become nobody in life, he's a nobody to us, we don't know what to do with him". you get the picture. imagine a 18 year old guy losing any backing up from his family. that broke my reality hard.

two summers went by this way (I got a job inbetween in the same school where I worked as a network administrator), and at the end of the second summer I remember that something swithed over in me so loud I almost heard the click. out of a sudden realization I told myself, "nobody's gonna tell me who I am and what I should do", and I remember I started building myself up from there again. I started working (graduated successfully in the meantime), and basically life went on. I work since I'm 18; because of failing to graduate at first, I never went to university or took any higher formal education. I learnt everything by myself, just by having sheer interest in what I do, which I still have until this day and don't plan to ever lose. I always say, you die when you lose interest in life.

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>>11443127
(2/2)

but as long as I can live, I'll never forget these two instances, the "fuck it, I'm better than that" feeling in this instance, and the life instinct when I was ~22.

I'm really not the kind of guy who likes to tell these stories, but I really want you to make it anons, and stop wallowing in your own pain. I totally get where you are (even though I'm a gen X), and I honestly hope these stories can help you.

I went mgtow after my last relationship 6 years ago, and life is pretty decent right now, evolving slowly but steadily. I don't say it doesn't suck most of the time, I still have the existential crises just like you do, but I push through as if it were a mosquito bite.

>>11442864
L
S
D

Its the answer. It may not be the complete answer. You may not even understand what it reveals, getting no benefit. But it is the greatest chance youll ever have to cure yourself. Its the closest thing to a miracle drug that there ever was. It isnt permanent either. It resets you to be like a child again, and retrain that you have control. But just as society fucked you growing up, it will refuck your lsd mind until things are the same. This refuck can take as short as two weeks or as long as several years. Im doubtful that someone takes lsd and is cured for the rest of their life, though some do claim that. It will give you a permanent edge, a permanent knowledge that you are capable of change. But you can know something while believing and acting as though yoy dont know it. Still better than not knowing it.

Tldr do lsd and you will see. Even if you dont, its really fun

>>11442830
https://raypeat.com/articles/articles/dark-side-of-stress-learned-helplessness.shtml

Stop taking fish oil, start drinking orange juice

>>11442914
Bedding Taylor Swift
Every night inside the Oculus Rift
After mister and the missus finish dinner and the dishes
And now the future's definition is so much higher than it was last year
It's like the images have all become real
And someone's living my life for me out in the mirror

No, can you believe how far we've come
In the New Age?
Freedom to have what you want
In the New Age we'll all be entertained
Rich or poor, the channels are all the same
You're a star now, baby, so dry your tears
You're just like them
Wake on up from the nightmare

Come on
Oh ho oh
Oh
Oh ho oh

No gods to rule us
No drugs to soothe us
No myths to prove stuff
No love to confuse us

Not bad for a race of demented monkeys
From a cave to a city to a permanent party

Come on
Oh ho oh
Oh
Oh ho oh

When the historians find us we'll be in our homes
Plugged into our hubs
Skin and bones
A frozen smile on every face
As the stories replay
This must have been a wonderful place

>>11443143
Is this a song?

>>11441715
>Yeah, I’m gonna do things right now!
>Ok! That’s thought is already enough, time for some easy gratification

one of the most helpful threads in all my 10 years browsing this damned site. thank you all for this, you helped me

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>>11443130
Thanks for sharing, Anon! God bless you!

>>11442988
>out of the blue the idea came: I should jump off the 4th floor of the building I was working at. it was such a sudden and crazy urge that I almost did it in an instant.
Chinese?

>>11441715
This is me in my late teens/ early 20s and it's unbelievable how much time I wasted doing nothing. It's like I was possessed and I didn't snap out of it until my parents forced me to get a job on my 22nd birthday.

Now I'm almost done with my math degree busting my ass working full time and I just can't help but ask myself why I couldn't do this while I spent four years literally doing nothing with no responsibilities. At the same time I already know the answer, I would not have had the drive to do it without eating shit at work everyday

>>11443246
Eastern European. I was toiling away coding at night at the office of the company I was working for at the time. Kinda killed pain from a lost love with work.

>>11441715
It’s caused by lack of sex. I was like this but then I started having sex regularly and I no longer felt the need to constantly stimulate my brain with cheap dopamine sources (video games/fast food) and my productivity went through the roof. Went from total NEET and couldn’t even study for 15 mins to now doing a masters degree. Sex is a basic human right don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

>>11443270
>my productivity went through the roof
post nut clarity, no woman is necessary for that.

>>11443274
Wrong. Masturbating has a totally different effect on the body than sex does. Masturbating will make you depressed.

>>11443281
> Masturbating will make you depressed.
[citation needed]