/sci/ - Science & Math

Designated shitting orbit edition

Someone tell me why this won't play out:

>SpaceX gets Starlink running, they're at 1k~ sats and are tossing up 120 a month (roughly double their current production speed, so this is feasible)
>NASA starts throwing up warnings about collisions and launch window problems
>meanwhile the Chinese, OneWeb, and BO (eventually) start to launch their own constellations
>this raises even more concerns even though the constellations are nowhere near being complete
>concerns and risks will only grow as more constellations are being launched

Here is what I figure is going to happen:

- Starlink (and potentially OneWeb) becomes nationalized and no one else in the US is allowed to start a constellation any larger than say Iridium
- China and the US get together on this for national security reasons and China also agrees to only make one constellation that is under state control.
- They potentially even make a UN resolution that is agreed upon by everyone on the security council
- India makes no constellation because they can just use Starlink, and no one else has the capacity to make any others.
- This kills all future constellation plans.

I genuinely believe that Starlink will become state run due to a combination of NASA/Air Force concerns over what additional ones in orbit will do, and that Starlink can't just hold a monopoly over space.

I foresee Starlink being able to be operated independently until they get to at least two or three thousand sats, but there's going to come a tipping point as more of these projects start to initialize.

The Air Force and NASA are simply not going to put up with people causing undue risk to LEO.

>>11371267
Nationalisation is extremely unpopular and the relevant authorities have already approved the orbits. Go home FUD faggot, your shorting isn't working.

>>11371290

National security has always trumped populism. If the Air Force and NASA raise a stink, then it will happen. Do you honestly imagine a situation where we've literally got a dozen constellations up there, each with thousands of sats, and no one complains? All within the same band of a few hundred km? That's more or less the plan right now if you take a look at how many constellations are preparing to be setup. I even excluded the ones from the Korean and Japanese multinationals to simplify my point.

>>11371240

> Space Travel, the Mars Mission & Star Wars
https://share.dmca.gripe/V6hFptQRCdMwKTPL.webm

>>11371309
>Vaarg

Why would you post something so stupid?

>>11371306
>Stock status: still rising

>>11371309
I like Varg for the most part but him not being able to grasp manifest destiny is fucking embarrassing.

>>11371267
1k sats isn't anywhere close to causing actual launch window and collision problems, that's why it won't happen
also the Air Force (now Space Force) is the one who would put up those warnings

>>11371267
Hello bernstein you can scam me with donations only once so go gas yourself you fucking kike.

>make a new thread
>instantly flooded by FUDposter, wojaks, and Varg
hmmmm

>>11371461
>1k sats isn't anywhere close to causing actual launch window and collision problems

Lol...

https://twitter.com/greg_wyler/status/1225804853869531136

>>11371469
Gas yourself FUDposter

>>11371267
Wrong. NASA/Air Force are the ones cheering for Starlink. US gov(especially the current one) is cheering for Starlink. DOD is cheering for Starlink. The reason is simple, they want ubiquitous access anywhere from the world with cheap/fast/reliable internet. DoD even suggests copying SpaceX and launching their own military version of it for defense security.

Not only will Starlink give access to the entire world, it will bring new opportunities for US dominance of Space commercialization. If SpaceX secures steady funding in billions of subscription money, that's Mars/Moon/space ticket paid for. DoD wants space commercialization to expand as fast as it can. One of SpaceForce's goal is to help foster space commerce. Merchant marines are the backbone of US economy right now. Space merchant marines will be the next frontier for Solar system dominance.

>>11371469
Grey "I hate Elon so much I'll work with Russians" Wyler

YIKES

>>11371267
Not happening, closest that can ever happen are the establishment of orbital lanes or something like that, much like planes are forbidden of flying over certain areas the satellites will be forbidden of orbiting certain parts of the sky

>>11371501
>>11371517
Lol seethe harder

>>11371514
>Not only will Starlink give access to the entire world, it will bring new opportunities for US dominance of Space commercialization.
This, the reason China is also looking at that is because they know that an US controlled network like that would kneecap their Firewall

China and Russia will both have their own LEO comsat constellations numbering in the thousands at least. They don't have much choice because not having a massive constellation puts them at a huge military disadvantage. That's why China and Russia have their own GPS-type systems so they don't have to rely on US GPS.

>>11371524
>>11371622
China has nuked 80-90% of their workforce, exports and manufacturing capability, their country is fucked.

>but its just a flu bro

Imagine believing this

One small step for a Cygnus, one giant leap for space stations...

I PUSH MY FINGERS INTO MY

>>11371622
it's still not that bad, but only if we actually keep track of all of them and they cleanly dispose of them at the end of their lifecycle. The real fear is a debris cascade where the Earth is wrapped in tiny, untraceable debris that threaten anything being launched.

>>11371825
It's kinda amazing how far Orbital Sciences made it in commercial cargo.

>>11371625
fuck off, /pol/

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/jeff-bezos-has-now-sold-nearly-35-billion-in-amazon-stock-over-the-past-week-2020-02-06?ns=prod/accounts-mw

>>11371900
New IPO on the way?

>>11371900
Bezos should buy OneWeb since he wants a satellite constellation so badly. SoftBank probably wouldn't sell though.

>>11371934
Look up Kupiter dude

>>11371937
If Amazon bought OneWeb they could name it whatever they want. Currently Project Kuiper seems to be non-existent satellites to be launched on a non-existent rocket.

>>11371240
dude was the son of some low caste farmer and managed to become the director of ISRO, Thats a very great feat that nobody appreciates

>>11371947
>Currently Project Kuiper seems to be non-existent satellites to be launched on a non-existent rocket.

We know the satellites are currently in the R&D phase/being developed from job listings. Also, just because their Amazon’s satellites doesn’t mean they’ll always fly on New Glenn, actually Bezos might launch some using different launch providers, just so he can reduce the chance of legal action regarding a conflict of interest.

>>11371865
No, you fuck off /r*ddit/

>>11371937
if they don't already have satellites in orbit, I literally cannot see how they can be competitive. I guess if they manufacture the ground terminals faster and cheaper...

>>11372005
>if they don't already have satellites in orbit, I literally cannot see how they can be competitive.

Kuiper is different from the other constellations, as it has the possibility to be a ‘loss-leader’. This is where where a product is sold at a price below its market cost to stimulate other sales of more profitable goods or services. Kuiper doesn’t have to be massively profitable unlike the other constellations, it just has to enhance the already immensely profitable Amazon Web Services (9.96 billion U.S. dollars in Q4). Even if Amazon doesn’t make any money selling Kuiper’s services, the constellation will still greatly benefit their own data systems, leading to secondary profits.

>>11372031
oh yeah, I wasn't even thinking about AWS. That makes sense, then.

>>11372031
>>11372032
Amazon don’t really need to sell satellite internet, there’s a whole internal business-case surrounding it’s ability to beam AWS data at quicker speeds.

Speaking of Bezos, am I the only one getting the impression that Blue Origin completely lost interest in New Shepard? I feel like they want to get done with the (possibly one and only) human flight to avoid embarrassment and justify the sunk cost.

>>11371240
superpower 2020

>>11372176
>am I the only one getting the impression that Blue Origin completely lost interest in New Shepard? I

I don’t think they’ve completely lost interest, considering their talking about launching people this year and New Shepard has a flight scheduled between now and March 15. But I do think they’ve shifted resources and employees away from NS to work on higher priority projects like New Glenn’s upper-stage+avionics and Blue Moon (both require hydrolox and landing software).

>>11371860
long-term kessler debris cascade is impossible at the semi-major axes of Starlink, and OneWeb doesn't have enough mass to cause it
nobody else is serious enough about launching to cause problems

>>11371267
>Someone tell me why this won't play out:
Space is big, much bigger than you can imagine, and the satellites are small. Additionally, new satellites have advanced thrusters to dodge and deorbit.

ELON PUT ON YOUR FUCKING PPE

>>11372176
Yep, they've moved on to New Glenn now seeing that New Shepard is basically useless.

>>11372450
I swear this guy is going to get himself killed running around without a hard hat on

Question, why don't we use bots like these on many of our infrastructures as a means to repair or simply as a means to get telemetry on the status of the structures.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86EAzvXrESg

>>11372450
>>11372455
True professionals always come prepared...

>>11372463
his meme hard hat is fake and gay

>>11372471
And you are cringe

https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1226584537205035009

>>11372625
where's his guns

>>11372690
He keeps them stashed away for special occasions...

>>11372735

Cygnus launch stream is LIVE

https://youtu.be/P9Nlo4GColU

T-30 min

By 2030 80% of space debris will be pajeet stool

>>11372770
Comfy stream

>National pizza day

National pizza day everyone

>Cygnus is delivering actual pizza to the ISS

>giving a lecture during launch poll

>pizza day
Italian space program when?

>>11372806
There in 4 hours or its free?

>>11372809
Yeah wtf was that

>>11372809
Yeah it seemed kind of lecturey but hey, it is black history month and the guy did die. So I can respect it.

HOLD HOLD HOLD

>>11372819
Lol good one NG

>>11372816
Final checks for the launch of a rocket seems like the wrong time though, maybe after the successful launch or talk about it during the pre-flight shit an hour beforehand.

>>11372816
FROMAGE

>>11372823
It took 20 seconds, we're holding anyway and no one watches the pre or post-flight shit for a cygnus resupply, anyway launch at 5:40 EST I think

It's all really this manual i.e. Open valve x? I'm amazed there isn't just a single pause button

>>11372832
5:44*

Why is she giving it in central time

UGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH

rip

abort

FUCK

SCRUBBED

ESA orbiter launch soon though!

aw man

Laughing at all those cucks who decided to go to tonight’s Antares launch instead of the Atlas V one because Virginia is closer than Florida. The weather is 80% NO GO for the next two days so there’s no chance of a 24hr recycle.

>>11372864
>The Virgin Cygnus
>THE CHAD ATLAS

>>11372866
>THE MIGHTY ATLAS

Even New Zealand can launch a rocket this is embarrassing

cygnus abort!

NO PIZZA REEEEEE

>>11372875
just in: scrub due to off-nominal telemetry from GROUND equipment. The same type of problem which caused RocketLab to abort their otherwise nominal maiden launch.

ULA agents sabotaging all the ground equipment

>>11372892
The weird aside during the final check was a distraction so the sniper could take his shot while everyone else was busy thinking "wait what's that guy saying?"

Embarrassing stuff.

>Boeing is getting too much negative press from their Satrliner
>Scrub the Cygnus. Blame the ground equipment.
>Get Business Insider and Forbes to put out hit pieces

>>11372909
Companies don’t really get negative press for scrubs

>>11372866
>The Virgin Antares

>>11372917
Not due to poor weather, but due to technical issues? Sure they do.

This announcer sounds like she's trying to read and say two different things at the same time.

>>11372747
We need an irl version of this

>>11373068
agreed, Frieza is incredibly sexy

>>11373102
"Always knew he was a faggot."
Also how the fuck did this happen?

>>11373341
how the fuck did what happen?

>>11373068
>>11373102
>>11373341
>>11373345
Do you mind not posting that shit here? Thanks.

>>11373409
sure
I think it's really great that NASA is going to tear Boeing the new asshole they so desperately need. The managerial culture at Boeing is utter trash, especially when it comes to software and safety.

>>11373416
You mean that culture review? I don't think much would come from it other than NASA not awarding as much contracts to Boeing. Sadly, Boeing is still important to NASA's operation and punishing them too harshly would hurt NASA's capabilities.

NASA is LIVE for ULA launch in 20 min

https://youtu.be/21X5lGlDOfg

Elon put on a fucking hard hat

>>11373494
Someone should go on his twitter and tell him to put on his fucking PPE.

>>11373484
If dubs, it will RUD.

>>11371306
>If the Air Force and NASA raise a stink, then it will happen.

Nope.

> Do you honestly imagine a situation where we've literally got a dozen constellations up there, each with thousands of sats, and no one complains?

Literally no one cares except some astronomers.

Solar probe going up in 3 bings

(EXPENDABLE) LAUNCH

Bye visual feed

>>11373524
Is it actually that hard to do on board cams like SpaceX or Rocket Labs?

How do they get that angle? Is their an observation rocket?

>>11373531
Reactionless-drive observer saucer SSTO

>>11373494
Would the health and safety faggot have the balls to citation Elon?

>>11371337
>manifest destiny
What a terrible little \texttt{nationalistic} bull.

>>11373627
>Noooo dont colonize space it’s wrong nooooo

>>11371947
bezos is playing the long game-he has the resources and connection to take his time.

he has his eyes on NEA and building space stations.

So when is Amazon/Blue Origin going to actually do something in space? You know, launch a rocket, orbit a satellite or whatever. I see lots of slideshows and animations about their rockets but nothing major ever seems to be accomplished compared to companies like Space-X.

>>11373640
>Noooo your anti-satellite test was bad for our space station nnoooo

>>11371986
>>11372182

OP here, I am unironically looking forward to a successful Gaganyaan mission so that I can chat about it with my many Indian customers who I know will be paying attention once it's happened.

Didn't know that about him, neat. Orders of magnitude harder with so many more people and the unfortunate caste culture. I encourage any other anons to let me know ISRO details I may not know, and now I also have a slight interest in Cassini-Huygens because I got the Haynes book for cheap but it looks rather dry.

>>11373610
My old green helmet was twice the sperg Elon is with none of the intellect. He'd have run up to him shouting YOU HAVE TO USE HELMET!
Mine did when I had a 45 ton segment up on a gantry crane, he kept insisting, red in the face even after I had calmly pointed out to him that there would only be plastic bits for him pick up as well as ground beef to mop up should that shit drop.

>>11371309
>why care about Earth if we can just go to Mars
why care about Europe if we can just go to America?

>we're running out of rare metals
not if we mine asteroids

>muh radiation, muh van allen belt
Apollo knew about the Van Allen Belt and intentionally went around the inner belt
water is a great radiation shield, and artificial magnetic fields are possible in the future
on Mars or the moon you can just live underground if nothing else

>why colonize mars before the moon
Mars with it's higher gravity and thin atmosphere is a better starting candidate

>what's wrong with our own planet?
it's not gonna last forever

>>11373792
>it's not gonna last forever

Even if it was going to magically last forever, we might as well spread everywhere else

>>11373792
>what's wrong with our own planet?
It's also exponentially increasing in population as time goes by. China may have have had that 1 child rule going on, but nobody else but western nations have given a fuck about that. The small polluters, who incidentally also have stable population projections are the only set to drop pollution, the really big polluters are going to increase theirs by magnitudes of what the small polluters are doing right now before they're even thinking of starting to even out or cutting any emissions.
That's not sustainable.

So we need to get the fuck off this rock yesterday.

>>11371267
I live in China and I'll sign up for Starlink as soon as its available and affordable. The only problem will be how to get the base station into the country since it's bound to be b&

>>11373409
Yeah,my bad.
>>11373788
I wanna hear more astronomical tard tales.

>>11373788
Your guy was probably more concerned about not getting fines from regulatory agencies and their surprise inspections, and also a little bit about at least giving the appearance of following regulations, which is something that might interest old muskaroony. No fun allowed, I know.

>>11371518
the best you could do is leaving diamond shaped windows open in the orbital paths, and launches would happen when the window lines up with the craft's trajectory, and you'd need to set windows at different latitudes for different launch facilities

>>11374104
>I live in China

F

>>11374135
at least he has his own wojak edit, the 30 year old coofer

>>11374104
Omae wa mou shindeiru

>>11374111
Roughly 45 ton section of a living module for an oil rig up on two gantry cranes in the ceiling being moved so we can work on other parts, the section is almost as large as the workshop we're building it in (we actually had to knock out a wall when we transported it out for final mating) and wearing a fucking helmet means you can't see if you're going to take out every fucking bit of the air system, the power system, fucking everything that we need to work.
Super focused on not fucking this shit up, because it's two cranes and once 45 tons starts moving, you're not fucking stopping that unless you're Bruce Banner on a really fucking bad day.

Up comes Mr. Green Helmet (Health and safety wore those), tapped me really hard in the back as I was working the larger of the two cranes and yells right in my face "WHY AREN'T YOU WEARING YOUR HELMET!?" while repeatedly pointing at his.

I almost fucking lost my shit and decked him, there were 12 people on that shift working on that operating alongside me that he endangered by interrupting my razor focused ass.

>>11374127
This guy was fucking sub-80 IQ. He was the dumbest fucking asshole in the entire fucking 300 man company and included one slow motherfucker everyone thought had been dropped on the head when he was a kid. The only reason he was health and safety was because nobody else wanted to do the evening classes required to do that shit. Nobody minded him until he started lording it over others and became a fucking hazard himself.

looking good

>>11373686
Next year, assuming they stick to their schedule.

>>11374271
Now this is autism

>>11374283
aaaaaaaaaaaaaurgh I can't bash Boeing in public because I need to protect my sources

aaaaaaaaaaaaaurgh I can't bash Boeing in public because I need to protect my sources

>>11374311
Do it faggot, we're about to get our shit pushed in by a biological weapon anyway.

>>11374311
Do it for Ume-tentei.

>>11374321
anecdotal evidence that "Boeing fucking sucks and don't know what unit tests are on a systemic/cultural level" isn't even news

>>11374326
for real, though, fuck unit tests

>>11374329
it's gud poorgamming
get gud

anonymous comments from a former Boeing employee

>>11374330
that doesn't mean they aren't the fucking worst

>nasa buying more russian seats because oingo boingo completely fucked it up

Dragon delays when?

>>11374104
Aside from the umbrella corp tier plague your wise leaders unleashed, do you actually believe they'd allow proles to have access to starlink?

>>11374374
Shortly, Boeing is surely going to have to fly another test mission which will be 3-6+ months, no way will the politicos let spacex humiliate Boeing like that.

>>11374374
Jesus wept.

>>11374374
The whole point of buying more Soyuz seats is to create margin for potential delays, not as a prescription for delays themselves. It takes the pressure of NASA + SpaceX.

>>11374399
>potential delays

Dragon is ready to go, there are no delays beyond what are created artificially.

>>11374399
*off

>>11374407
The extra Soyuz seat was bought months ago, the launch is in April.

did I banned

>>11374399
>>11374407
>>11374415
Also, remember DM-2 maybe crewed, but it’s still a test flight, not an operational mission. The extra Soyuz seat preserves the operational flow of US crew to the ISS before Dragon and Starliner can be certified for operational service.

>>11374417
Yes

>>11374423
turns out: no
they just deleted my thread, /a/ mods are getting fiesty

When's DM-2 due to launch? When's Starliner due to launch?

>>11374433
>When's Starliner due to launch?
When it's good and ready and has soaked up a couple billion dollars more.

Long starship is long

>>11374433
There’s currently no dates for either, obviously Starliner’s next launch date is more up in the air because of the investigation.

>>11374436

>soaked up a couple billion dollars more.

The only money it’s soaking up is Boeing’s and $400 million isn’t several billion.

>>11374424
Instead of fagging up a thread, just find a post to report, there are plenty of those, and it won't let you report if b&.

>>11374584
the correct response would have been to try to post a good reply, such as a picture of a 2hu
or Maou-sama

Let’s play a quick game of spot the difference!

What’s the difference between this picture of the SLS core stage...

>>11374591
...and the same core stage in this one!

>>11374594
orange rocket is tanning in the sunlight, the foam darkens on exposure

>>11374596
Correct!

https://twitter.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1226903355781451777

Somebody needs to WEBMify this powerslide...

>>11374598
wrong, please allow me to rephrase that
the man-killing orange foam that coats Orange Rocket reveals it's true dark colors upon exposure to the life-giving rays of the sun

>>11374610
Fuck that, somebody needs to map this to the rocket.

>>11374594
The wires in the first image (near the side propellant pipe) are gone in the second image. Perhaps those were sensors used to gather data on the core's transport conditions?

>>11374629
>those were sensors used to gather data on the core's transport conditions?

They were actually sensors for the modal test (where they hit it with a hammer), the first part of the “Green Run” campaign which was completed recently. They’ve been removed after the test was completed.

>>11374594
I know some don't like the Shuttle orange foam, but I always think it looks cool.

>>11374645
it killed seven people, including a schoolteacher

>>11374645
>I know some don't like the Shuttle orange foam

The Shuttle foam is only considered bad because of how the Shuttle stack was designed (Orbiter hanging off the side of the tank). With a design like SLS (capsule on top) there’s no problem with the foam, because there’s no chance of the crew vehicle taking a foam strike to the knee.

>>11374647
>including a schoolteacher
No. She was on Challenger, which had and SRB issue. Columbia had the foam issue. If you're going to shit on the Shuttle, then at least get your facts right.

And the issue that destroyed the Columbia won't happen with the SLS because the SLS doesn't have a fragile orbiter strapped on it's side. The orange foam will be fine on SLS.

>>11374652
but anon, it killed seven people
murderfoam
orange rocket bad

>>11374658
NASA management killed those people by not evacuating Columbia on orbit and sending a rescue Shuttle to pick the crew up. When they knew there had been a foam strike on the wing edge.

I really hope the Solar Orbiter will be okay

>>11374670
me too
is there something potentially wrong with it, or just the general anxiety of sending a valiant probe into a heliocentric orbit?

>>11374667
>by not evacuating Columbia on orbit and sending a rescue Shuttle to pick the crew up
I thought that NASA wouldn't have been able to prepare another Shuttle fast enough to rescue the crew?

>>11374670
Why wouldn’t it be? Actually, Tory Bruno was just talking about how last night’s launch may have been ULA’s most accurate orbital insertion ever, at only 1 m/s and 0.22 degrees off the bullseye.

>>11374672
To the best of my knowledge it's ok, but it's a fucking long trip and it involves a boost from Venus in quite some time.
Threading a needle in a really big place.

>>11374680
yeah, I know what you mean
it's only the second time ever that humanity will leave the ecliptic plane, right? Ulysses and Solar Orbiter

>>11374422
In a situation where nasa considered and probably still is considering starliner test mission to double as an operational mission, isn't it silly to wave off dm-2 as being stuck as a mere test? Or does the whole thing work only with Boeing because of their experience and proven capabilities?

>>11374271
Welding watch general continues.

>>11374706
>Welding watch general continues.
Here you go, lads. Use with care.

>>11374721

20km hop when

>>11374733
Somewhere between 3/16 and 9/16

>>11374741
i hate that you're technically correct but it's not the answer i hoped for :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7TrnpELPXw
Jimmy talking live about budget and stuff

Be straight with me, the SLS is never going to fly, is it?

>>11374770
Jim, stop sucking off congressman Palazza or whatever. He's good at politics though so jim you do you.

>>11374784
Oh it'll probably fly. They need to get rid of all those surplus space shuttle launch parts they had in storage after all.

>>11374784
It's going to fling one empty capsule around the moon. Then maaaaaybe it's going to fling some Astronauts around the moon.
Anything past that is iffy.

>>11374784
I think it'll fly a couple times and never accomplish anything.

>>11374791
Just dump them straight in the ocean. Same result, 30 billion dollars less in tax payer money.

>>11374800
But that wouldn't create jobs for the states of the congressmen on the committee. You have much to learn about politics.

Yes, 20 years is very nice, Jim. Fuck the anecdotes and give us a launch date for the Crew Dragon.

>>11374812
Lol, targeting 1Q2022, right after starliner of course

>>11374812
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1226912345571635200
>Working date for SpaceX's Demo-2 launch is May 7.

>>11374784
>SLS is never going to fly

>Orange rocket isn’t real, it can’t hurt you

>Orange rocket:

>>11374651
Wasn't the problem that they had to use a no-CFCs foam, and that's the kind that breaks up a lot?

>>11374817
kek

>Space Waste
I'd be willing to go up there to become a real life Roger Wilco.

>>11374818
Froze when it came into contact with LOX and came off in big ass chunks of ice foam. The shuttle wasn't exactly durable. Shit was a paper plane with a thermal shield.

>>11374784
It'll fly.

>>11373494
*OSHA screeching increases in volume*

Which is a more realistic future space propulsion system: laser-based or antimatter fusion?

>>11374690
Originally DM-2 was going to use a capsule that was only built for 14-day use, but the one that went boom shifted everything down by one, and now they're using the capsule that was intended for the first full mission.
>>11374667
>When they knew there had been a foam strike on the wing edge.
But they didn't know. They did everything they could to avoid actually looking at it. I guess they figured it was like Schrodinger's Foam and everything would be okay as long as they didn't look at and collapse its quantum state.
>>11374817
>Orange rocket: Hold my LOX

>>11374855
tiny black holes

>>11374855
chemical
What is the future space communication technology you'd most like to see?
Laser, deployable jumbo microwave dishes, or just cranking up the juice until it fucking works

>>11374857
>Orange rocket: Hold my LOX
There's not enough lifters in the world to hold all the LOX that hydrolox monstrosity guzzles.

Elon needs to slap together some rinky-dink superheavy demonstrator so Nasa can't claim anymore that SLS is the most powerful rocket ever launched next year.

>>11374863
it doesn't even use that much LOx

>>11374865
what does the historical and predicted thrust leaderboard look like?

>>11374859
That's antimatter, right?

>>11374861
Laser-based probably makes the most sense.

>>11374873
no, antimatter is antimatter, but that's just an energy storage solution, not a propulsion system

I don't know if you guys have this where you are, but Lox spread is something you put on bagels and every time someone here brings it up it makes me hungry.

>>11374855
Laser is easier in the short term, some autist came up with a plan to build many small specialized particle accelerators to manufacture antimatter, but the existence of large stockpiles of antimatter is just the worst kind of bait for an inevitable catastrophic accident. Safe fission and fusion or even existing petrochemical power sources would be more than sufficient for laser sails. Don’t mistake it though, both are viable and doable with technology that was worked out in the 70s, just like all really ambitious space projects.

>>11374865
Is full stack Starship more powerful?

>>11374873
>That's antimatter, right?
no, the kugelblitz drive is a largely scifi theoretical engine where you use hawking radiation from a tiny black hole to power a starship, directly converting mass into energy.

>>11374866
~6:1 ratio of LOX to lh2 for the RS-25.

>>11374877
I bet if you put LOx on a bagel it would explode

>>11374895
If you want to be extremely technical, it can operate between 5.85 to 6.1:1 ratios.
That's still an awful fucking lot of LOX.

>>11374877
Too bad we're talking about LOX, not Lox, or Laks which you "borrowed" from Norwegian you sneaky bastards.

>>11374876
>>11374892
Ah, alright bros. Idk what I was thinking there.

>>11374879
>some autist came up with a plan to build many small specialized particle accelerators to manufacture antimatter
I thought we'd need a very, very large hardon collider for that?

>but the existence of large stockpiles of antimatter is just the worst kind of bait for an inevitable catastrophic accident
That's a damn good point...maybe store them in space?

>Don’t mistake it though, both are viable and doable with technology that was worked out in the 70s, just like all really ambitious space projects.
Cool

>>11374899
https://youtu.be/J1capc2Day0
hmmmmm, apparently not spontaneously

>>11374906
>which you "borrowed" from Norwegian you sneaky bastards
as an American I feel entitled to take words from other cultures

>>11374913
By all means, just use the correct spelling and we're cool. I mean, for once, you didn't fuck up pronunciation. So we're already ahead of the curve here.

>>11374895
>>11374906
Here’s a good physical representation of the ratio of hydrogen to lox SLS uses: here is the hydrogen tank segment of the core.

>>11374888
Superheavy alone exceeds SLS’s combined thrust by almost double, 72000kN compared to 39-40000kN. Superheavy will make SLS and Saturn V look like dollar store fireworks by comparison.

>>11374922
And here’s the lox tank

>>11374932
And guess which one contains the most.
Don't hurt yourself now.

>>11374932
I will give you two hints.
What are the physical properties of a ton of duck feathers and a ton of lead?
What does hydrogen have one of that oxygen has 8 of?

I'd like to see orange rocket fly.

>>11374953
I'd like to see the people, who made orange rocket, fly

>>11374955
Seeing orion and starship fly together would be so cool

>>11374953
Me too. Despite how much I don't like the rocket, it's still a perfectly capable vehicle that NASA could use. Plus, seeing a rocket that large launch will be spectacular. Although, I will still complain about how it should've launched years ago. That quote against the Falcon Heavy not being real but SLS is aged well.

SOON

>>11375068

>>11375068
Just put a janitor in a spare capsule and set fire to it in order to appease the spaceflight Gods.

>>11375076
the sacrifice only works with the blood of astronauts, anon

>>11375077
Well obviously you put the janitor through the standard battery of tests and slap a jumpsuit on him. Or we could just sacrifice Hadfield I guess, he's not up to much rn.

Anyone got that webm of the Chinese controlled booster crash test? Thanks in advance.

>>11374651
Orange foam finds a way

TEST

sorry about that

BACK TO SPEHS POSTING!

>>11375274
how aesthetic is this launch going to be on a scale of 1 to 10?

>>11375287
37

>>11374784
It'll fly for sure, the real question is if it'll accomplish anything

>>11375274
might be a dumb question but wouldn't the first stage need more aerodynamic surfaces in order for the rocket to be stable?

>>11375077
Teachers work too, right?

>>11375301
It's shaped like a bullet and the wings aren't so big that drag is going to be a massive concern when you take 42 raptor engines into account.
Because that's what the first stage is. Remember, the idea is to have the second stage have practically no fuel on board and to fill it while in orbit, ass to ass.

>>11375301
it's not Kerbal Space Program, the thrust vectoring on the booster is much smarter and more aggressive about killing AoA and such, most modern rockets have been very unstable
but yeah those fins look like trouble

>>11375301
You'd be amazed what you can do with good avionics and thrust gimballing.
There's a reason modern rockets are pretty much sticks. Starship is a special circumstance.

>>11375315
Keep in mind, that's a render too, not official.

>>11375318
yeah but it's pulling the size of the fins from Mk1

>>11375315
>>11375317
>most are
>most aren't

DIVISION! CLEAR THE LOBBY!

>>11375313
>the idea is to have the second stage have practically no fuel on board
where did you get this info from?

>>11375397
Have you seen the animation SpaceX put out of Starship launching?

>>11375397
SpaceX?

>>11374658
>by the time it's ready to fly the orange foam goes to shit and is falling apart
>"Sorry, it turned out the cryo fuel boil-off was faster than expected so we ended up not having enough to reach orbit tehe~"

>>11375404
>>11375409
it's wrong, the Starship will be fully fueled on the ground, and by the time it reaches orbit will be nearly completely empty

>>11375482
>it's wrong, the Starship will be fully fueled on the ground, and by the time it reaches orbit will be nearly completely empty

Why would you launch Starship without Super Heavy? Lmao

>>11375490
No, that's with Super Heavy

Reminder that KSP2 is due for a 2020 release. Anyone still looking forward to it?

>>11375530
I bought a PS4 just for that and Ace Combat 7.
I knew my PC would never handle KSP2 so I went the safe route.

>>11375530
Yup. True American Hero Buck Foeing standing ready to fuck up landings throughout.
And this time I'm going to fuck up my friends colonies while doing so as well.

>>11375530
>Anyone still looking forward to it?

Why would anyone not be? Looks like a lot of the things I required mods for like off-Kerbin launchpads, decent bases, rotating habitats, and futuristic engines are going to be stock, and there’s even interplanetary travel. I’m pumped

>>11375548
Interstellar travel, I mean.

>>11375542
>Buck Foeing
kek Took me a while to get it.

>>11375548
>Why would anyone not be?
Discussion died out. /kspg/ died (again). Wondered if anyone still remembered it.

>>11375490
starship is the 2nd stage brainlet.
it needs to launch with full fuel and use most of that fuel to get to orbit.
it needs to refuel in orbit to go somewhere.

>>11375562
>starship is the 2nd stage brainlet.

What? You mean Super Heavy isn’t an SSTO with a payload of over 1200 tons?

https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/444882/Iran-plans-to-send-astronauts-into-space-using-domestic-technology

Iran vs Copenhagen suborbitals who will get to space first.

>>11375562
>use most of that fuel to get to orbit
>it needs to refuel in orbit to go somewhere.
Right, and that's with payload. Then they shoot up another Starship with fuel as payload and then do space buttsex to refuel the one with cargo/crew.

>>11375648
>Then they shoot up another Starship with fuel as payload and then do space buttsex to refuel the one with cargo/crew.

Can be fun to do with a wife/girlfriend.

>>11375631
Well probably not Iran
https://www.space.com/iran-satellite-launch-failure-zafar-1.html

>>11375068
>Apollo 1
>a cabin fire during a launch rehearsal test killed all three crew members
>Immediately after the fire, NASA convened the Apollo 204 Accident Review Board
>NASA internal document citing problems with prime Apollo contractor North American Aviation
>North American Aviation (NAA) was a major American aerospace manufacturer
>Through a series of mergers and sales, NAA became part of North American Rockwell, which later became Rockwell International and is now part of Boeing
>now part of Boeing

>>11375688
Was looking for info on the most recent launch. Wonder why it crashed.

>>11375742
it's got to be hard because if you're the Iranian space agency you can never REALLY count out CIA intervention

>>11374865

Ain't that the plan already?

>>11374238
He sounds like a complete ass and a moron, but the helmets are really less for falling objects and more for the kind of incidental head-bonking that happens all the time on construction/mechanical jobs.

>>11375068
Thank you Starliner-chan!

>>11375530
Would like for them to fix the landing gear so that your plane doesn't veer off if the landing gear is slightly off-vertical.

PUT ON A FUCKING HARD HAT YOU RETAAARD

I don't get people like >>11376066 throwing a hysteric fit over a hard hat. First thing he should wear is a hi-viz vest. Everyone else on site is wearing one, so someone would eventually fail to see him and run him over with a forklift or a front loader or something.This danger is much more real than whatever the hard hat is supposed to protect from.

>>11371257
first post best post

>>11376135
>muh bulletproof hi vis

H+S faggot detected, you are the most hated person on site.

>>11376135
he has two bodyguards on him at all time. Maybe they'd jump to take the forklift

>>11376066
Fucken using wotcunt the imagination of an Arab

>>11376149
Haha no, I actually had a test tube filled with some polymer shit solution in acetone blow up right in my face not long ago exactly when I was too lazy to wear goggles. Luckily it ended in just minor acetone eye bath and we didn't tell anyone about it.
As for glowing nigger vest, it's basic psychology. People tend to subconsciously filter out things they're not expecting to see when focused on something else. Happens all the time with drivers running over cyclists for example.

>>11376159
But do their handguns have enough stopping power against a rampaging forklift?

wew, looks like SpaceX putting starship on the moon might be problematic. A 40 mt lander will create extensive cratering with it's exhaust plume:
https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lunarisru2019/eposter/5055.pdf
And oh wait a starship ain't 40 mt, it's heavier than that. This is not insurmountable though, as we could send a smaller lander to prep a landing pad. I do wonder if you could make a pad by hypervelocity impact. Stuff moving at orbital speeds packs it's weight in BLAM!! So the simplest thing to do is maybe all that kinetic energy can be used to melt regolith. But the more interesting possibility is firing just the right pattern of bullets at the surface so that we create a carefully engineered shockwave which compresses the regolith together. Crazy? Absolutely.

>>11376219
Land in the crater nbd

>>11376219
>will
how sure of this are we

>>11376219
Who gives a shit? The firt landing may be rocky, but you can bring equipment to grind up some lunarcrete and make landing pads

>>11376223
Currently, the model we have, which is probably wrong, predicts a 40 mt lander will excavate 470 mt of material forming a crater many meters deep. So there's the risk of destabilizing the terrain and causing the rocket to fall over.
>>11376237
there's the risk of the rocket falling over cause it's digging out such a big hole, meaning the first landing could fail without building a pad first. Starship hasn't even gone orbital yet, so we don't need to worry about this yet. And again, our models are pretty bad, we don't have a clue what happens in this regime. So there's the possibility it may not be as bad. There's the possibility that a clever landing technique may minimize excavation risks. So what if instead of going straight down, we go sideways for a bit? That way instead of digging a huge crater, we dig a trench. Fuck, if we really do move that much regolith, maybe this lets us dig a trench deep enough to fit a habitat FOR FREE.

>>11376219
>A 40 mt lander will create extensive cratering with it's exhaust plume:

Starship is over 1000 tons wet lol.

>>11376261
>predicts a 40 mt lander will excavate 470 mt of material forming a crater many meters deep.

How the hell would that work? The Apollo lander just pushed some rocks around and barely scorched the ground.

>>11376269
it's gonna have less mass by the time it gets near the lunar surface
>>11376270
The apollo lander excavated about 2.5 tons of soil:
https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lunarisru2019/eposter/5055.pdf
The data suggests erosion scales with a 2.5 power of vehicle mass. So doubling vehicle mass more than quadruples erosion rate. Although, we can't extrapolate to such extreme lander masses.

>>11376261
I'm not sure you understand. Land IN the crater. It's simple.

>>11375077

If the person only trained and never actually went into space, are they REALLY an astronaut? :^)

>>11375068

I know this is meant to refer to major American fatalities, but one could make the argument that the recent (and quite interesting quasi-sub-orbital flight, fell above 50 mi but below Karman line) Soyuz abort is along these lines.

>>11375530
I'm anticipating it, but I'm concerned the performance is still gonna be shit. Those 10fps videos from when they announced it and the fact that it's still using Unity doesn't give me a lot of confidence.

Nuke the landing site ahead of time.

>>11375832
>He sounds like a complete ass and a moron
He was and nobody fucking liked him or working with him.
>but the helmets are really less for falling objects and more for the kind of incidental head-bonking that happens all the time on construction/mechanical jobs
Yeah, which is why we wore that shit, uncomfortable or not, shift in and shift out without complaints as long as we weren't in situations like that where we simply couldn't.

FUCKING RUSSIANS LEAVE OUR SATS ALONE.

https://time.com/5779315/russian-spacecraft-spy-satellite-space-force/

>>11376434
>how DARE they spy on our spy satellite

Frens why does he have coloured eyes in OPS pic?

>>11375530
I bet they normie it up for wider audiences and more money.
>push button to auto design
>push button to auto launch

>>11376458
It is more like they are sat killers.

>>11375274
T H I C C

>>11376798
I hope they don't. The designer is a hardcore fan of the original though.

>>11376899
I've seen so much shit go that way that thinking otherwise just seems foolish. It isn't even a "keep hope alive" type of thing, it is just completely naive. Like hoping you'll be okay when you jump onto lava.

>>11376798
Concerns aside, something like creating auto-asparagus would be nice, slap on one booster and just hit a button to create the actual number of boosters you want and autostage them. Another thing I hope they have is a dedicated subobject folder, I ended up designing a lot of modular rockets in KSP1 that would have benefited from being able to drop in already created parts.

>>11376919
>that would have benefited from being able to drop in already created parts
Yeah, isn't that what the sub-assembly bit was for?

>>11376919
An auto feature like that would be helpful, to companies and governments, if it were accurate. KSP could become to world space programs what VBS3 (military Arma version) is for wold military groups.

>>11376798
Even worse, simplifying the math...

>>11376931
Is that a thing? Shit man I haven't played KSP1 in ages and my version is modded to the gills so I can't even tell what's a base game improvement and what's something that was added with a mod.

>>11376934
It would be pretty interesting for somebody to build what is essentially a universal rocket simulator, something in which you can input highly detailed information about a rocket, create a rough 3D model of it, create a mission plan for it and then have it launch, using realistic aerodynamic and thermodynamic simulation to create at least a semi-realistic result. Like a combination of KSP and Children of a Dead Earth (another, even more autistic rocket sim).

>>11376941
Switch to advanced editor > sub-assembly tab, make whatever category you want, It's where I stick all my various stages from lifters to landers to just silly shit.

>>11376173
excuse me

>>11376287
maybe that one guy who died in the virgin test flight failure?

imagine Elon Musk dying in an industrial accident, what a stupid way for an actual engineer to go. Ccould SpaceX survive without him?

>>11376970
Of course just don't expect anything out of spacex after it.

>>11375530
v1.0 already killed all hope.

>>11376973
Explain.

>>11374952
I was about to say valence electrons but you are talking peridiotic

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/02/historic-crew-dragon-flight-now-targeted-for-an-early-may-launch/?comments=1

>paperwork

how convenient for Boeing :^)

>>11377107
>two months later
>"Yes, this indeed seems to be paperwork."

Anyone got any idea about this whole broom standing challenge, and why is NASA associated with it?

>>11377138
Forgot picture.

>>11377140
that's bullshit

>>11377107
>>11377119
'Paperwork' is such a shitty way to describe the process of certifying that the capsule is suitable for sending humans to space and back. Skipping safety checks to speed up the schedule is never a good thing and how this article downplays their importance by describing them as mere "paperwork" is criminal.

>>11377142
I know it's bullshit, but I want to know where it came from.

>>11377151
probably some kid thinks that he needs some scientific authority to back up his forced meme and NASA is the only one he can think of

>>11377151
it's just some normie meme, anon. Like planking or that dress color

>>11377148
>"It is probably one of the longest things in the tent to go ahead and do. It's underappreciated but critically important. You've got to make sure you've done everything you need to do along the way."
Doesn't seem like they're downplaying it, "critically important" would appear to be the opposite of that.

>>11377148
The safety checks are finished. "Paperwork" has nothing to do with that.

>>11377151
Yeah, this is the first year I've heard of it. Before this it was like balancing an egg or something.

>>11377218
>Before this it was like balancing an egg or something.
This.

>>11376286
it's not a crater the plume's digging, it's a grave.

>>11377308
Didn't the Apollo landers reveal that underneath the loose soil layer was a hard, dense layer of compressed regolith that is unlikely to be fluidized and cratered?

this is a not-at-all suspicious post by somebody who is surely not the KGB

HULLO
https://youtu.be/Mx6Vjw489WI

>>11377391
>1 million lines of code
So I guess Java is all but confirmed then?
Did they outsource it to Durgasoft?

>>11377395
no, Boeing doesn't need to pay India to fuck up their software, the internal teams at Boeing are more than capable of fucking it up themselves

>>11377395
I don't really understand how the software on a rocket can balloon that much. Is it running simulations of itself on board or something? Unless it's all written directly in assembly...

>>11377417
1 millions lines isn't even that much code

>>11377399
And the meme about the software outsourcing to india is such a lame excuse of burgers trying to defend boeing.
The outsourcing should have never have happened in the first place and engineers boeing side should have realized that mcas needed input from more then one sensor.

The outsourcing and selling the plane with the promise of needing no extra training is to blame on the current destructive upermangement of boeing, but the engineers dropped the ball on actually making sure those new systems worked well.

>>11377417
I mean, everything human rated going up from the US has triple redundancy, that's just how NASA does business.
But, that means you should learn to write very clean code that does exactly what it's supposed to do with zero fucking deviation and zero fucking surprises and zero fucking bloat.

For comparison, the shuttle was running on MC68000 CPUs, the same shit powering the Amiga 500 and Atari ST. People can't program for simplicity and efficiency these days compared to back then.

>>11377417
>>11377421
>>11377425
A million lines isn't much for something as complicated as a spacecraft. For comparison, each F-35 runs on 9.1 million lines of code.

>>11377442
F-35 is a poor example to say the least, it's the worst example of military industrial complex design by committee bloat in history.

>>11377442
I mean you just go up and then to the right, how hard can it fucking be?

>>11377450
Looks cool though

>>11377456
very

>>11377442
>over 9 million

>>11377460
if(offcourse())
{
correct();
}

>>11377459
Yeah, I'm sure it'll be great when we're bombing backward tribals for NATO. Not so sure it'll be great for defending our airspace though.

>>11377463
>using gay-ass nerd code
>not using manly gyroscopes

>excuse us, we're on our way to beat up the CEO of oldspace

>>11377465
Some times you don't want to miss by 5km.

>>11377450
a fighter jet has a user interface and autopilot and weapons and many different things it needs to do. A rocket has to do two things, go up and not explode.

>>11377474
>go up and not explode
Oh I see we have an industry insider here.

>>11377465
gay ass nerd code AND gyroscopes got us to the Moon. The V2 guidance system was actually shit.

>>11377476
my consultancy rate is 200 California dollars per hour

>>11377479
Monopoly money?

>>11377417
>>running simulations of itself
I don't know what rocket it's referring to, but that's what you actually do for model predictive control. SpaceX also does some interesting stuff with their rockets. Their rockets have a map of cape canaveral with all the critical infrastructure marked and will try to avoid them or self destruct during landing to avoid damage. Supposedly they also have some software for handling contingencies to make sure they reach orbit too.

>>11377477
>The V2 guidance system was actually shit.
I mean it's no modern MIRV obviously but it's pretty great for being a collection of dumb wobbly bits, I just like the ingenuity of the idea.

>>11377501
Well, it was a nice sounding rocket.
A good weapon of war it was not what with it's 5km miss rate and all.

>>11376798
>What is MechJeb

>>11377490
>map of cape canaveral with all the critical infrastructure marked and will try to avoid them
If boeing did this it would have a bug that'd make it target something important instead in case of failure

>>11377490
I can see how this could hit 1M lines of code then, yeah

>>11377501
>>pretty great for being a collection of dumb wobbly bits
not really. The rockets that came after the war were much better and even then they still used dumb wobbly bits. Now if you want an impressive guidance system made from dumb wobbly bits check out the sidewinder missile. It used just 14 vacuum tubes. There were also terrain following missiles which used all vacuum tubes.

>>11377550
Well from a reddit ama, it seems they had about 100,000 lines of code for the rocket. Of course it's all running on linux so perhaps you could count the lines of code in that too if you want to pad things. I am also horrified to learn that dragon uses javascript. JWST uses it too, as a simple scripting language for telescope observation operations, but it seems dragon uses it for the touch screens.

>>11377567
>about 100,000 lines of code for the rocket
this is more like it. 1M lines of code for a rocket is bloat. Since it's Boeing, it's almost certainly just old code bases shoved into the new one in their entirety since everyone involved in them retired and they can't be bothered to actually learn how it works.
Javascript isn't that bad as long as it's only on top of one architecture—I personally enjoy javascript's loose prototyping design, it's more web dev as a general concept that sucks.

>>11377574
>1M lines of code for a rocket is bloat. Since it's Boeing, it's almost certainly just old code bases shoved into the new one in their entirety since everyone involved in them retired and they can't be bothered to actually learn how it works

We're not talking about a rocket here retard, but a crewed spacecraft that has to autonomously rendezvous with the ISS, slightly more complicated...

>>11377586
it's the rocket that fucked up, though

>>11377602
umm no it wasn't

>>11377603
the one they caught in-flight was a literal fucked up maneuver timing, ie rocket firing sequence ie the actual code for the rocket

>>11377672
I thought it was due to the capsule taking timer data from the rocket, not the rocket itself?

>yfw NASA clears Boing to just proceed with crewed test
>yfw this time it spins the crew Apollo 8-style and kills them during that "comm blackout"
>yfw it for good measure also goes nose first back into the atmosphere

>>11377602
>>11377672
Neither NASA or Boeing have mentioned anything to do with the Atlas V, the blame has been placed squarely on Starliner's shoulders.
Starliner's interaction with Atlas may have lead to the timing anomaly, but all the evidence points to the problem being on the capsule side.

No one has posted this yet? This is BIG strategic move.

>https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/11/spacex-hires-former-nasa-official-william-gerstenmaier.html

>>11377771
Not like he's the first ex-NASA dude to get snapped up by SpaceX.

>>11377799
While technically true, it doesn't escape the importance of SpaceX's hire. This is the guy who has been managing NASA's long term human mission for 42 years. He knows all the ins and outs of human exploration and how to get the most results.

>>11377811
>he knows all the ins and outs of human exploration and how to get the most results.

It's really ironic that you'd say that, because the reason he was fired from chief of human spaceflight at NASA by Bridenstine was because he wasn't getting results. Jim got fed up with all the delays and cost overruns that were occurring under him.

>>11377827
It was within the constraints of his limits brought onto him by the political situation. Who can say the current SLS or mission or Mars will survive the next president? Will Bernie, if he's elected, cancel the $40 billion dollar payout to Boeing/Lockheed if he wins in 2020? What about the guy who wins in 2024? They will cancel it? Jim simply didn't want the old clout and just push it through even with the risk of getting cancelled by the next admin.

>>11377847
>Will Bernie, if he's elected
Bernie won't even be elected by his own party. I don't think he's ever voted in favor of spending money on NASA though.

>>11377537
>if (somethingImportant.isTargetedBy(this))
>{
>turn(360);
>flyAway();
>}

>>11377674
It used its uptime timer instead of mission elapsed time. The capsule had been powered up for like 11 hours before launch.

>>11377892
supposedly it was only supposed to grab the timer four minutes before launch, but it grabbed it too early or something

>>11377847
I'm not talking about his opposition to Artemis, I'm referring to the endless SLS/Orion + CC delays and cost growth that occurred under him, which is what Jim cited as his justification for Gerst's removal.

>>11377990
Jim is an unprofessional name. He should change it to Jimothy

>>11378001
*Jimmantha

>>11377990
There was also his repeated awarding of bonuses to contractors who weren't delivering on time as well, which was likely the last straw for Jim...

>>11377990
Its all political. Congress changes mandates n funding to suit their needs. CC de-funding/cannibalizing funds for SLS to slow down CC was congress.

>>11378001
>>11378006
His actual name is James Fredrick Bridenstine, quite the mouthful...

>>11378010
>Congress changes mandates n funding to suit their needs. CC de-funding/cannibalizing funds for SLS to slow down CC was congress.

Nope, CC has been fully funded since 2015, it is now 2020.

Berger wildin
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1227327610390286336

>>11378033
Neat. Except the cannibalizing of CC happened for the first half of CC development where the funding was cut in half. It was only funded properly starting 2016.

>>11378075
>Berger posting asinine shit

He does that every day...

Also, I've just realised why Gerst went with SpaceX: their attempting to develop a crewed spacecraft with no launch escape system and Gerst has massive experience operating such spacecraft (he only operated one for 40 years lol), he just can't hold back his desire to be involved in the deaths of more astronauts.

>>11378106
2015 was funded 95%, which is close enough.

>>11378116
If you look at the funding, CC was only effectively funded for 3-4 years and not the 9 years its been. With the first half being gutted by half.

>>11378075
this boy is a fucking shitposter

New thread: >>11378146