/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11312290

why dont we see more international space organizations like ESA?

>>11312300

That was an impressive feat. It should be really interesting to see a full sized version with all the engines firing.

Speaking of feats, tomorrow is one big milestone for SpaceX aswell as the todays scrubbed test will be seeing if Dragon 2 can successfully fire the emergency abort system.

>>11312316
In this general themes? Or just overall?

>>11312326
what

Reminder.

How many huge exploration ships could we have assembled in LEO, to go to the moon or Venus or Mars? What a waste.

>>11312339
Is >>11312316 asking about not seeing ESA often in this thread, it's themes, or in space flight overall?

Quick update on Boca Chica village. There's now just 1 residential person left, Nomadd (guy who provides us with Boca update)

>>11312349
what's old Nomadd planning?

>>11312346
Reminder to myself to stop being retarded

>>11312349
correction: the photographer lady is Mary, and she sold but still visits basically every day just to take pictures

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0FZIwabctw

>>11312348
i asked why is esa the only international space organization? why don't we see a similar organization for somewhere else like south america or the middle east?

>>11312362
They lack the government grants. ESA is a grant farm like NASA is now.

>>11312362
the South Americans all hate each other
Africa all hate each other
Asia all hate each other or have their own independent space programs

>>11312362
>>11312316

ESA can be viewed as an extension of the European Union. South America and the Middle East are far too divided and in the case of the latter, there are certain countries that the USA and Israel doesnt want to have advanced rocket technology.

I could however see the African Union form a common space program with the aid of China in the distant future.

>>11312362
The European Union is only a few steps away from being a single political entity on the world scale. Crudely stated, it's the United States with a weaker federal government- sort of like the United States actually used to be. No other large groups of countries have that level of political and economic entanglement, and an international space program requires it.

>>11312367
>the South Americans all hate each other
united by a common culture but all hate each other? or getting screwed by the USA like >>11312372

>>11312300
good lord, that is a thing of beauty

>>11312300
Sweet jesus the THRUST

>>11312362
Because any multi-government ran organization that wasn't born out of necessity is going to run into many problems of conflicting interests and needs. Such projects need one government to work. The US and EU can get away with this because while they are multiple states united together, they have a unifying government that helps organize things. South America, and the Middle East are too divided in order to have such an overarching government.

>>11312311
that was really cool, and it even has a parachute too

>>11312300
Did they decommission this prematurely? Could they have learnt more launching it to 20km or whatever?

>>11312427
it would increase their financial/legal liability a lot if something went bad. Better to take more, smaller steps and make sure nothings really messed up

>>11312359
This was the time I suspect it really hit home for ESA/Arianespace. A massive threat to your profitability launched by an upstart geek that breaks all the rules of your cosy top-down philosophy European guild, further rubbing your nose in it by launching a car from his car company that has similarly embarrassed European car manufacturers and threatened to make them redundant.

>>11312382
Screwed up mostly. The amount of shit the usa stirred during the last century is incredible

>>11312444
That said I dont think there would be a united south american space agency anyway

>>11312429
>Better to take more, smaller steps and make sure nothings really messed up
He wasn't asking about SLS

Retard here, where do I find out if something in the sky is a star or a planet?

>>11312460
planets are bigger than stars (in the sky)
also you can look up where all the planets will be

>>11312372
>I could however see the African Union form a common space program with the aid of China in the distant future.

Lmao

>>11312372
>>11312372
Just so you're aware of Africa's technological progress I will leave you with Kantanka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YXAJBh0TgE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h5uTo1-h20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDGX69cwvLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s22cOVhQWpE

>>11312427
It RUDded itself just before landing.

>>11312362
Look at their GDP.
Japan alone has a larger economy (nominal) than Africa and South America combined.

https://twitter.com/PATreasury

Ladies(male) with feminine penises and gentle fedora wearers, your tax dollars at work.

ITT I attempt to name all Gemini crews and each flight's notable achievements OTTOMH, always starting with command pilot first, (co)-pilot second.

Gemini 3: Gus Grissom, John Young. First manned Gemini flight, short test duration. John Young's first (of many, six) flights.
Gemini 4: Jim McDivitt, Ed White. Second human and first American spacewalk (Ed White).
Gemini 5: Gordon Cooper, Pete Conrad. A longer flight (days), working toward Apollo-necessary endurance (a fortnight).
Gemini 7: Frank Borman, Jim Lovell. The two-week endurance flight.
Gemini 6a: Wally Schirra, Tom Stafford. Launched after Agena failure on first launch attempt, instead performing close rendezvous maneuvers with Gemini 7.
Gemini 8: Neil Armstrong, David Scott: First successful space docking (with Agena) is followed immediately by thruster malfunction, forcing emerg. abort. Armstrong's proven ability in crisis management played at least some role in his getting Apollo 11 command. Famously depicted in First Man.
Gemini 9a: Tom Stafford, Gene Cernan. Following another scrubbed launch attempt, Gemini 9a does a rendezvous with the ATDA (Augmented Target Docking Adapter), Agena-like target vehicle used only for this mission. Conical fairing failed to separate, leaving an "angry alligator" with which docking was impossible, so they did stationkeeping instead. Gene Cernan then did one EVA, and he had a horrible time with it, though he didn't say so at the time.
Gemini 10: John Young, Mike Collins. The pair catch up to and dock with their own Agena, and then re-visit Gemini 8's Agena. Collins becomes the first person to perform two seperate EVAs.
Gemini 11: Pete Conrad, Dick Gordon. The pair catch up to and dock with their own Agena, now using it to boost to an eccentric elliptical orbit-the highest human orbit in history, short of flying to the Moon. Gordon does two EVAs.
Gemini 12: Jim Lovell, Buzz Aldrin. Like above, good Agena dock and Agena boost. Aldrin first human to do three EVAs.

>>11312596
Since its a government job you can find out who the PA Treasury social media person is, and how much they make, if you really wanted to know how much tax money is being wasted

>>11312362
Most countries don't trust each other with multi-billion investments, it requires a special amount of trust and interconnectedness.

>>11312290
Mir > Salyut > Skylab > ISS

>>11312709
Skylab > Mir >Salyut >> ISS

>>11312709

Salyut was a series with multiple successful (7) and unsuccessful (1) instances, it isn't fair to compare a series of craft with individual craft. And please. ISS has been much more useful than Skylab. I am interested to hear your rationale for Mir, though.

You also forgot Tiangong (which would be dead last since it's an un-serious testbed exercise in anticipation of the real chink station Also I'm aware that there were two craft, but in this case the two are actually comparable so it's fair to include the series in a ranking with individuals. Not so, Salyut).

I like footjobs!

>>11312565
That's not true at all.

>>11312718
I was going to put the Chinese tin can last but it seemed unfair to include it.
Fair point on the Salyut series, I'd have to think about it more to put those in order. The Salyut 7 rescue is just an amazing store on its own.
Mir is more interesting because of its history, they were trying to figure out for the first time what it'd be line to have a sustained presence in space. Combine that with the usual crazy Soviet antics. They'd figured a lot of that out by the time of ISS. ISS was a lot more "safe" and thus more boring for me.

>>11312713
Skylab was boss. Take the coolest Saturn V stage and turn it into a space station so you could do stuff like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiMq-fdRhLo

>>11312718
Skylab would have been way more useful than the ISS if they had kept it around instead of letting it burn up

>>11312782
How so?

>>11312444
It's written in our Constitution that we have a God-given right to put Mcdonalds and dollar-denominated oil sales in every country on that continent. if some little people got in the way of progress,, that is their problem

>>11312793
it was huge

Any other Seamen in the room

>>11312729
That was outdated, but it's still close.

>>11312793
>>11312820
It was gigantic!
There was a concern that in zero-g people could get stuck in the middle of the high ceilings.

>>11312833
shoes count as emergency reaction mass

>>11312831
Africa is growing it’s GDP faster. It’ll catch up

>>11312845
>a continent will catch up to a single nation
Is applause in order?

>>11312853
Considering it's Africa, the magical land where the locals tearing down transformers for their oil to cook with is a common problem even though the oil is poisoned, that's no small feat.

>>11312862
they need to more aggressively poison that oil

>>11312866
Could the transformers be designed to explode if tampered with?

>>11312731

>>11312866
I'm pretty sure that the locals are filtering the oil somehow.

>>11312709
Only one of them had a gun on it.

>>11312876

>>11312880
Was it the one that killed the crew when they tried leaving?

>>11312877
the oil itself is poisonous, you can't filter the poison out of the oil just like you can't filter the air out of the atmosphere

>>11312885
No? Which one are you referring to?

>>11312877
you're as dumb as the apes using the oil

>>11312918
>>11312913
Sorry, I thought there was an additive to the oil to make it poisonous (like how methanol was added to ethanol in the V-2 project) not that the oil was poisonous itself.

>>11312362
The African Union is setting one up.
They don't intend to do launches any time soon.
https://au.int/sites/default/files/treaties/36198-treaty-statute_african_space_agency_e.pdf

>>11312596
>notice how they stay well clear of mentioning spacex

>>11312917
Salyut-1, the Soyuz depressurized and the crew died, only confirmed deaths outside the atmosphere. Salyut-3 was the one with the on-board gun.

>>11312841
Also you can just blow in one direction for thrust. Not really sure why they ever thought this was a big problem.

>>11312958
This is the crazy Soviet stuff which makes Salyut such an interesting program.

>>11312460
Stars twinkle

>>11312460
See
>>11313213
A stable point of light is a planet, one that flickers is a star. If you're in the northern hemisphere I think Jupiter or Saturn are up in the night sky, I saw a bright point on the way home from work the other night but neglected to check what it was when I got home.

thinking about getting into skywatching. is it a waste of time/money?

>>11312290
why not Shuttle-Mir?

>>11312484
This is literally like Idiocracy, wow

Just think about how much progress has been lost pandering to these idiots

>>11313346
Almost a trillion dollars total and just over 100 billion a year currently. Just imagine what kind of space infrastructure could have been brought for that. We could be launching 50m diameter rockets and have colonised luna, venus, mars and some jovian moons by now. We really have thrown away our future for nigger breeding programs. Add the trillion a year for the us military welfare program and we would be riding fucking fusion rockets out to pluto. I hate this fucking planet so much holy shit.

>>11312935
Chad Africa will take over the world

>>11313372
>racist fantasy

>>11312596
>tunnels only for cars

When will these retards realize that there is such a concept as an electric bus possible? Boring company tunnels will be equivalent to a subway AND also a road for cars.

>>11313372

>>11313372
Don't forget the even huger amounts wasted on the arms industry.

>>11313397
A lot of military funds go towards advanced R&D, which is a great thing

>>11313396
>haha yeah the money spent on foreign aid would magically instead be spent on “space”
haha this isn’t just a racist delusion

>>11313402
Except it just sits in classified black projects never to be revealed to the public. Its been what like 75 years since the atomic bomb and look at the amount of money gone awol into black projects. There must be some serious shit they have developed sitting in bunkers never to see the light of day.

>>11313415
It’s all fake. Military tech is a dead end that never went anywhere

>>11312866
>>11312877
>>11312913
>>11312920
I've smelled transformer oil from big transformers like that. I don't know how anyone could breath around it let alone actually fucking cook with it. I get green to the gills near puking sick just from a few whiffs of it. Chemical sickness, not "this is disgusting" sickness. It is pretty terrible.

>>11313417
We went from city destroying nukes to drone-fired, kinetic-only, "ninja bombs" that pinpoint and destroy single individuals or vehicles.

>>11312484
Judging by this, it looks like a couple dozen well armed and motivated girl scouts could probably bring Ghana to the brink of chaos.

>>11313500
It's full of PCBs. We might end up with a PCB-resistant population in Africa, which would be an interesting perk.

Haha Imaging cooming in space

>>11313529
>Imaging
What kind of sensor? IR? UV? Radar? Multispectral?

>>11313519
>PCBs
That was banned in 1978 in the USA. What I'm talking about is actually a form of mineral oil.

>>11313532
IR would be kino

why does the wait always have to be so excrutiating

>>11313556
I know that feel bro

But

Soon we are going to need an updated version of that meme with shiny starship, that's exciting.

>>11313565
Starship should be able to accomodate a much wider range of weather conditions than the super fine Falcon rockets.

We launching this morning?

>>11313641
Stream still shows launch in an hour, launch thread someone posted that there may be bad weather.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra

Why do rockets use oxidizer for their assent when they could conceivably use oxygen from the air like a jet?

>>11313636
>yfw starship equivalent of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9IhQxmt08U

>>11313654
In most cases it wouldn't make sense to do so (due to added weight and complexity), but there are systems like stratolaunch or the sabre engine that make use of atmosperic oxygen and then either switch to internal oxidizer or launch another stage with internal oxidizer

>>11313654
You’ve basically described a ramjet. Their not very useful for orbital-rocket stages because they only work in-atmosphere, but are often employed as propulsion for missiles (see pic-related) due to their superior range and efficiency in comparison to traditional rocket motors, as well as their functional simplicity.

>>11313662
> In most cases it wouldn't make sense to do so (due to added weight and complexity)

Why do jets use jet engines instead of rocket engines like some weird World War 2 aircraft do, then? Efficiency? Flight time?

>>11313679
jets don't attempt to fly above the atmosphere

>>11313679
Because they stay in the atmosphere. If you use a ram on a rocket going up, you very soon lose atmosphere, and still have the weight of your ram scoop. It's not in the atmosphere very long, so the equipment is going to weigh more than an equivalent amount of LOX or orange cloud bad, plus it's more parts that can fail.

>>11313679
massively more control over jets vs rockets, which is desirable for more missions. Where rockets are used on aircraft, it's for a short period of time like RATO or something terminal like a suicide craft

>>11313654
Atmospheric part of the orbital launch is just too short and speed limited by aerodynamics is too low (for non-meme tech) to justify all the added weight and complexity

SpaceX twitter

Now targeting 10:30 a.m. EST; teams are continuing to track weather in the recovery area

>>11313706
fuck it im going to sleep, cunts

>>11313706

>>11313707
Sleep well, bitch.

>>11312833
However, it turns out that you could just "swim" through the air. A slow, but sure process.
>>11313405
See pic

>>11313722
Stream started.

>>11312596
I wonder how long before they get fucked with defamation
>Pennsylvania Treasury.
Not for nothing, but the Musk Defenders are right about our being jealous, mostly because doing tweets that have the potential to cause irreparable professional damage is kind of our brand ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

>that have the potential to cause irreparable professional damage is kind of our brand ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
That shows malicious intent

>>11313825
maybe the professional damage is self-inflicted

>>11312345
What's hilarious is that you people really believe this.

>>11314098
Imagine not believing it. So funny.

>>11312596
>Not mention of spacex anywhere

>>11312460
You can download stellarium or a similar program on your phone, point your phone at it and it will tell you.

>>11314110
Not a flat earther, but do you actually believe that they've send a car into space and it just flew up there with the Earth perfectly going in front of the camera?
Meanwhile NASA can't get a single real picture of the entire Earth from space?

>>11314208
>Meanwhile NASA can't get a single real picture of the entire Earth from space?
There are thousands of them https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/

>>11314208
your embarrassing yourself anon.

>>11314208
>Not a flat earther, but do you actually believe that they've send a car into space and it just flew up there with the Earth perfectly going in front of the camera?

Of course. What’s so impossible about it to you?
The Dubbo telescope in Australia photographed it when it was 1.4 lunar distances away,

> Meanwhile NASA can't get a single real picture of the entire Earth from space?

What are you talking about? They regularly livestream from the ISS, and have hundreds of photographs of earth from a range of distances.

>>11314208
Ta-ta there, retard.

>>11314160
NOO YOU CAN'T JUST DO THINGS ON REASONABLE BUDGETS AND TIMESCALES

>>11314208
4chan/nel is an 18+ only website, kid.

>>11312336

This video beautifully summarizes the difference between new space and old space. The level of risk taken to get to the first successful land landing and then water landing after that, is so great, that old space would never agree to it until all of it was simulated and certified--and in the event that the rocket still exploded in the landing process in a way that wasn't ideal, they'd scrap the whole thing.

>>11314255
Old space was made for grant farming, not results. NASA still does that. The only time they stepped up their shit was when the space race was on. Before and after that, it is all grant farming. On the other hand, private companies want results, not grant farming.

i want a well edited compilation vid of highlights from 2010s spaceflight

i hope we can get successful crewed missions for both starliner and dragon 2 this year

>>11314294
>CRS-7, AMOS 6, Dragon In-Flight Abort Test

>>11314283
Are you there or something?

PICTURE PERFECT

>>11314314
no its from twitter

>>11314307
is it just me or is big Jim incredibly WIDE

they should have a representative from the space force on future panels like these

>>11314320
He's got broad shoulders.
He should hit the gym, there's a lot of potential there.

Though, it does also look like he's wearing a suit with a lot of padding.

>not an escape at max Q
>not an escape while under thrust
Literally an invalid test.

>>11314339
wrong

Elon just said he wants to catch dragon with the fairing catchers

>>11314383
yeah

>>11314283
>centered on the capsule in the background
very saved

We're never getting a replacement for the Soyuz, are we?

>>11314499
Looking like we will this year

>>11314283
>>11314483

millions of taxpayers' money up in smoke!!!!!!

>>11314513
blessed image

>>11314208

fucking ISS live stream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEIk7gwjgIM

>>11314517
Can't go to space without blowing shit up. That first stage had done it's job several times over anyway.

>>11314499
Why would you say that?

>>11314529
>tfw no based 24 hour space channel
i want live coverage of global launches, ISS feeds, news panels, with cool news casters

>>11314547
The drones don't give a fuck, so we'll never get the coverage we desire. Artemis Program? People still haven't heard of it.

>>11314547
>cool news casters

plz stop
this would just end up being infantile bullshit so that the masses understand everything

kinda like pop science documentaries

>>11314559
If it would get us off this god forsaken rock, I could live with that.

>>11314559
i was thinking pro vidya casters instead of black science guy

>>11314559
>this would just end up being infantile bullshit so that the masses understand everything
kinda like pop science documentaries

Public interest and awareness of science is good, dummy. Your elitist disdain for it is how we get retards that think earth is flat and not warming.

>>11314320
Shoulders of Authority

>>11314208
What a fucking idiot.

>>11314570
I think he means dumb shit like "BROADCASTING FROM ORBITAL STATION 143 :DDD" bs like most space news channels do. scott manley is a good example of what a good, leveled channel covering space news should be.

>>11314582
I'm worried that it would even go as far as Kardashians In Space.
(inb4 DS9)

>>11314570
>Public interest and awareness of science is good, dummy. Your elitist disdain for it is how we get retards that think earth is flat and not warming.

It's exactly because of pop science documentaries that we have flat earthers. They watch one and thing they learnt everything science has to say about the topic.

Making things so easy every retard can imagine he understood everything completely, isn't as desireable as you think.

>>11314589
If there’s people living in space, there’ll be reality TV of them living in space. I’d imagine a show about Mars families would happen relatively quickly.

>>11314582
i should check out youtubers. i've only seen one stream and that was from the last spacex launch with everyday astronaut.

are there any unknown astronauts? As in human missions we know that happened, but information as to who was on board was unreleased?

>>11312322
Why did this bring tears to my eyes, why is it so godamn beautiful up there, not just the Earth below and the cosmos itself but how things just "float" up there...

>>11313213
I can't rely on something like twinkling since I have bad glaring/haloing from laser eye surgery

>>11312306
Is this a miniature?

>>11314635
it's like a dream

>>11314652
Grab any ISS tracking app, you can waggle your phone at the sky and get labels on shit like planets and satellites.

>>11314666
Thank you Satan

>>11313219
>>11313213
why do stars twinkle/flicker and planets don't? They're both points of light aren't they

>>11314596
Imagine trying to explain the speed of light to a television exec who wants to do a live interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apOPw2cDBwU

>>11314680
planets are larger, visually
stars are effectively point light sources while planets do have some angular width

>>11314685
There’s only be eight minutes of lag. It’s short enough that people could conceivably play turn-based games with eachother,

>>11314680
planets have a non-zero angular diameter. They are actually extremely small disks and this means they don't twinkle like stars

>>11314635
Because you know it is your birthright and it's been denied you for close to two generations now.

>>11314715
>car makes wrong turn on highway exit.jpg

>>11314729
It's been 47 years and 1 month since humanity had a person on another stellar body.

>>11314737
Who cares? The only reason it happened was because of dick-waving. Without dick-waving, it wouldn’t have happened even by now

>>11314700
Check out the Google Stadia marketing rep here.

>>11314737
Shameful, at least we've had 20 years of non-stop permanent human presence in space, but that's like hanging on by a small thread in comparison to the glory days of Apollo

>>11314752
Low earth orbit is like sticking your toe in the water on the beach then going home after declaring water to indeed be wet.

>>11314700
>imagine playing Civilization VIII with your Martian penpal

>>11314755
Still impressive and quite beautiful

>no texas Starship update from Mary because everyone's busy talking about muh space industrial complex

REEEEEEEEE

>>11314765
Absolutely beautiful, but it's like being told you can only play in the 30cm deep heated kiddy pool when there's the world's coolest water slide system that would put Mr. Bones Wild Ride to shame right next to it.

>>11314765
Is there any feasible way it will ever be boosted to a higher, safer orbit? The thought of ISS burning up like Mir makes me sad.

>>11314766
she sold, she doesn't live in Boca Chica Village anymore

>>11314772
No. It was never designed to operate outside the safety of our magnetic field. When she goes, she goes and I'll have a fancy bottle of whisky in her honor.

>>11314772
It's got insufficient shielding, it would probably cost more to add the extra layers of protection to allow it to operate outside the magnetosphere than to simply replace it with a new space station.

>>11314772
>The thought of ISS burning up like Mir makes me sad.
I know, I'm not looking forward to that

>>11314775
>>11314781
>>11314784
Tragic, even if it were never manned again I kind of wish we could do something with it to put it out of harm's way.

>>11314793
Land it on the Moon.

That was glorious

>>11314517
Trying to breach the dome

>>11314796
They'll probably subcontract it to India or Israel.

>>11314801
>ISS Memorial Crater/debris field

>>11314806
>Yes Sir, NASA Sir! We will do the needful right away, Sir!

>>11314793
Well, she's not getting decommissioned anytime soon.

>>11314796
If Starship works out, then most of the ISS can be brought back down. The solar panels and radiators might not make it since I don't think they were designed to be collapsed.

>>11314817
Yeah but those can just be stuck on a new station.

>>11314821
or burned up, they're trash at this point

>>11314815
Wasn't she supposed to be done around now originally? I thought the extension went to 2030 now or thereabouts.
>>11314817
If you're gonna disassemble and transport bits of ISS, why not bring 'em to the Moon?
>ywn be a lunar vagrant holed up in an improvised shelter made of derelict space station

>>11314825
No, that’s wasteful! They ought to be recycled and their materials used to construct new components.

>>11314799
Totally. Not many launches where an exploding rocket doesn't preclude failure

>>11314830
Shit once put up will be used until it falls apart. And that shit was built to last and then some.

>>11314830
>If you're gonna disassemble and transport bits of ISS, why not bring 'em to the Moon?
It probably holds alot of historical interest, especially the older modules. Those can be sent to a Terran museum while the newer ones can be reused.

>>11314687
I know Elon said it's more of a fireball than an explosion but really, KABOOOM!!!!

>>11314835
>Shit once put up will be used until it falls apart
Yeah but they have to keep boosting it periodically for as long as they want to keep using it, and I can't see funding for that lasting forever as the station ages.

>>11314596
Oh fuck no, not Kardashians on Mars :(

>>11314845
>tfw kanye comes to mars and becomes the foundation of martian culture that extends for 1000s of years
based

>>11313382
>50 marshall plans

>>11314582
>"BROADCASTING FROM ORBITAL STATION 143 :DDD"
Yeah that channel is absolutely shocking, so bad I can only imagine its purpose is misinformation/extreme dumbing down

>>11314851
If after all of that, Africa was a first-world tier continent with nice cities and educated people, it'd have been worth the cost to update them.

>>11314853
What channel are you talking about? I thought it was a joke.

>>11314799
Crew Dragon: See ya!

>>11314871
Falcon 9: ...

>>11314847
>"Yo Elon, I'm really happy for you and Imma let you finish, but RocketMan is the best martian movie of all time. OF ALL TIME."

>>11313534
Oh ok. Well they do still use PCB laden oil in transformers in Africa. Whether that's the same or similar oil to what you're describing I don't know. But the mad fuckers do indeed cook with it. That continent doesn't do itself any favours in terms of raising our opinion of it.

>>11314871
>"Where's the kaboom?"

>>11314871
Where is this from? Can I see the explosion in such detail?

>>11314878
People will use whatever is available when resources are needed. Give them a Walmart so they can buy veggie oil.

>>11314871

>>11314851
Or about 33 Apollo's

>>11314890
forgot pic

>>11314881
They are being stingy with the high res boom footage.

>>11314896
w-why does it just blip out of existence
did the encoder just forget about it?

>>11314882
SpaceX might post it later.
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1218976479150858241

>>11314899
yeah I have no clue might be a video glitch, noticed it on the regular feed as well

>>11312460
Download skymap from the play store and point your phone at the object

>>11314899
>>11314905
Entered a cloud.

>>11313396
>scrollofexposeredditor.png

>>11314909
Yup. The livestream from SpaceX was much higher quality than these ten times re-encoded webm's. It was going into the cloud cover during separation and RSD.

>>11314885
They do - but stealing is cheaper. They'd have to literally give oil away for free to discourage it. And even then they also use the oil for quack cures. But I'm sure it's all just about culture and environment anon.

>>11314919
The PCB laden oil lasts longer too.

>>11314919
>They'd have to literally give oil away for free to discourage it.
Or make the transformer oil even more toxic.

>>11314924
So even if they gave away free oil they might keep using the transformer oil out of convenience, and find another use for the free oil

>>11314931
The toxicity is just due to the transformers being ancient I think - and given their industrial waste disposal is probably as fucked as everything else, probably a bad idea to add more poison to the environment

>>11314784
>>11314793
She will be around for at least another decade.
If starship works the way they claim they can maybe even take down a module in the future for a museum.

>>11314946
>So even if they gave away free oil they might keep using the transformer oil out of convenience, and find another use for the free oil

They can buy it, and people who vandalize transformers can be sent to jail. Your worldview is warped by Le epic racism.

>>11314973
>Le
filtered

>>11314946
>The toxicity is just due to the transformers being ancient
It is toxic in the first place.

>>11314931
One word: capsaicin.
>>11314825
>>11314831
No, really, solar cells lose efficiency after like 20 years. They really are trash by now, plus new cells now would be better than these were new.
But if there was an orbital hackerspace, they might want them just to fuck around with.
>>11314836
>The Smithsonian had to build a new wing to keep the returned ISS modules.
>>11314845
I'd be fine with that as long as they go for a walk with no EVA suit.
>>11314890
Or about 2 SLSes.

>>11314988
>No, really, solar cells lose efficiency after like 20 years.

Yeah, but you can break them down and build new ones. Don’t just throw all the atoms away,

>>11314983
>filtered

Filtered.

>>11312382
>south america
>united by a common culture

>>11314997
I don't think you understood what I said. They. Lose. Efficiency. The cells themselves. That's just like how LEDs lose efficiency after a long time of use. Have you ever seen an LED sign where a few modules have been replaced, and they're like twice as bright as the rest of the sign around them? It's the same way with solar cells.
All you could do is re-purify and re-crystallize the sliicon, then re-manufacture them in our plentiful orbital solar cell factories.

>https://www.patrick.af.mil/Portals/14/Weather/L-3%20Forecast%2021%20Jan%20Launch.pdf?ver=2020-01-18-120710-943

Looks like starlink-3 will launch Tuesday.

>>11315025
>All you could do is re-purify and re-crystallize the sliicon, then re-manufacture them in our plentiful orbital solar cell factories.

Yeah, let’s do that.

>>11314988
>Or about 2 SLSes.
What? Wasn't the total development cost of the SLS $22B?

Hot damn, this footage, though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06svtpboEJs

So I missed the post-test conference, the launch abort test thread mentioned NASA demanding more chute tests from SpaceX before they allow Crew Dragon to fly with crew. Is this true?

>>11315095
I don't know if I'd say they demanded more parachute tests, but they did say that more parachute tests are scheduled.

>>11315079
kino

>>11314775
>>11314815
>>11314830
>>11314951
>she

>>11315114
What are you, gay?

>>11315114
Ships are traditionally female and I'm from a long line of mariners, faggot.

>>11315114
Ships are always female, and isn't a station just a ship that's stuck in orbit?

>>11315114
ALL SPACECRAFT ARE QUEENS!

>>11315114
>>11315119
>are you assuming my gender!!

>>11315121
that's what liberals want you to think

>>11315153
>I showed you my keel now answer me

>>11315114
>he likes man ass
Y I K E S

>>11315002
I accept your consession.

>>11314890

Anyone else think this looks like a RSO command detonation rather than a vehicle breakup?
I have watched it a few times and can't see any signs of breakup before the whole booster goes at once.

It would make sense to stop tons of RP-1 being dropped into the ocean.

>>11315254
SpaceX said they wanted it to break up to avoid having to go far downrange to recover debris, as well as to avoid fouling the ocean with unspent fuel, so they probably blew it.

They posted a new high res video to their instagram page https://www.instagram.com/p/B7g0fbklNZK/

>>11315260
>Meanwhile in the control room at T+00:01:35
>"Blew it."

>>11315254
no, if the FTS fired then that bit that hit the water intact... wouldn'tve

>>11314871
>ABANDON THREAD

>>11315254
Falcon refused to break up on her own, flying straight and true to the end.

>>11314905
>>11314909
>>11314899
CGI

>>11315267
>no boom boom

>>11315284
CGI is getting pretty advanced if it’s capable of altering reality itself. Simulation schizoposters were right!

>>11315275
I figured that was the second stage, which has no FTS.

>>11315254
The second stage would have also been destroyed if the self destruct had been activated

>>11315374
I didn't think the second stage had FTS and seeing it was loaded with water for this flight it wouldn't explode even if the booster going ruptured it.

>>11315381
It was fully fueled. Just had a mass simulator for the engine.
This is it hitting the ocean

>>11315381

>>11314517
Nice try, mod.
>>11314772
Same. Perhaps we can refurbish the most vital modules, take down the older ones, place a SpaceX starship in the center of it, and turn it into a mothership? Just have the specialized starship have way more ports than usual and be designed to be left alone in space. Like, imagine the ISS's solar assemblies being the wings of a modified Starship, with all the past modules clustered around the main body.

>>11315387
>>11315391
Interesting, this still makes me think it wasn't a breakup as you would think the 2nd stage being the blunt end pointed into the wind would be the first to go.

>>11315408
>Nice try, mod.
wut?

>>11315417
It's a meme that /sci/ mods are Boeing shills.

>>11315423
It was more about the /sci/ mods faking flat earthers to bait people, causing more posts and shekels.

>>11315427
This. I'm amazed that more haven't caught on this.

>>11315427
>>11315423
>>11315417
>>11315408
The rabbit hole is far deeper than you'd like to know.

>>11312444
yeah sorry about all that internet and cars bro

>>11315433
oh ok, I'd noticed this and other boards have had a lot of shitstirring astroturf posts lately, I thought it was from the outside though. This makes more sense.

first they copied dragon, now they are copying falcon 9, what's next?

>>11315506
What is that CG from? One of their future designs or something?

>>11315506
Reinventing the wheel is stupid. Elon's even confident enough that he said copying F9 won't help because Starship will fundamentally change space travel.

>>11315520
>>11315506
Well, the clouds are from some generic cloudscape you can download online at least.

>>11315121
The ISS can actually move itself, very slowly, so it is in fact just a poorly optimized spaceship.

>>11315478
Yeah because that's what America is known for, not endless wars for Israel.

>>11315545
kek

>>11315478
>internet
ARPANET maybe, we still made the World Wide Web
>cars
Rudolf Diesel, Ferdinand Porsche

>>11315520
It’s a render of the Long-March 8, China’s low-cost VTVL rocket which is planned to debut this year.

>>11315506
If you actually look at the design, it’s very different from the F9. The only thing they share in common is gridfins, arguably the LM-8 is more similar to Antares and Atlas V than Falcon.

>>11315548
They were going to put VASIMR on it, it would have to have batteries that took like 15 minutes to charge for a quick boost burn, but it didn't happen. I never found out who was responsible for it not happening, but I think one still hasn't been built yet.

>>11315614
It’s a very fun design: LM-7-derived, twin-engine staged-combustion kerolox core, boosters which don’t detach and a hydrolox upper-stage.

>>11315637
>Boosters which don't detach

Lol wut does the entire thing come down in one piece once second stage separates?

>>11315649
Watch:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9o0AUIlMXBg

>>11315660
Also, here’s a diagram of it.

>>11315409
I said this on the launch thread, but the second stage didn't have a Merlin on board so a mid-air fireball may not occur since there may not be TEA-TAB on board. That said, it was also pointed out the stouter second stage would have better chance to retain structural integrity post abort. And this screen cap seems to indicate a rupture of the first stage caused the fireball.

>>11315660
i'm no expert but this looks retarded.
why not just make the core bigger instead of adding two giant surfaces to the side who create extra drag?

>>11315619
>I never found out who was responsible for it not happening, but I think one still hasn't been built yet.

They had test delays. Still have finished the long 100hr plus vacuum test.

>>11315526
So they'll copy Starship, what's the difference?

>>11314985
I mean, it's only older transformers that have PCBs in them

>>11315660
I like the idea of a fixed platform with undersea transport

>everyday estronaut
he's literally a walking meme
https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1219026411358388224

>>11315780
What do you think of Kevin then? I mean he was almost a navy seal or something, but it does seem like his lawyer wife wears the pants

>>11315791
who?

>>11315780

>>11315795
Spacexcentric

>>11315796
>>11315798

>>11315802
Youtuber

>>11315806

>>11315808
I hate to do it but: FUCK ANIME

>>11315811
>fuck anime
touhous aren't anime tho???

>>11315812
It's all the same to me

>>11315811
>FUCK ANIME
That's a hard maybe...

I was walking around KSC a couple days ago and accidentally wandered onto a bizarre film set...they seemed to be filming some goofy, low-budget sci-fi flick outside the Saturn V center.

>>11315825
do they really get driven to the pad in a Model X

>>11315825
What are you talking about? Or are you talking about the image?

>>11315726
Starship 2 will be in development by then.

Whatever the case, if you're leading, you're following. However that's not bad because leading takes lot of effort. Following is easy.

Thanks for telling me about the stellarium app last thread lads, it was Venus that I was seeing

>>11315825
Goofy yes, but their props are pretty high budget. Fully functioning ones even.

So what will happened with Soyuz after Dragon and Starliner will come online?

>>11315916
It'll probably stick around as a third option. Roscosmos might try to reduce it's cost to make more money off of fewer launches.

>>11315681
Whatever factory tooling they have might only be able to create assemblies of a certain diameter, thus they start with three identical first stage sticks and then calculate how much they can shrink the auxiliary tubes down to match the necessary propellant volume. They are probably figuring it's best to jump in right now, rather than spend extra time developing manufacturing guidelines for bigger diameter rockets, which they can always dedicate more manpower to once they start to learn more, since, yknow, China has essentially infinite manpower and commiebucks don't mean anything so they can open a new rocket facility and just pretend they have the money for it whenever it's most advantageous for them.

>>11315841
I sure hope he can keep it up. At some point he'll burn out and then the Chinese catch up to the state of the art, throw unlimited manpower and money at the situation, and take over Mars without a gunshot fired.

>>11315614
chinese have never been known for originality

>>11315844
Brightest thing after sun and moon. Hard to miss.

>>11315916
It will continue to fly with fully russian crews.
NASA said that they will stop buying seats on Soyuz.

>>11315841
Unless Starship had some sort of major flaw that came up after it started flying, then I think SpaceX would keep flying Starship as their main rocket for some time.

>>11316006
They want a bigger 18m Starship, aka Starship2.

>>11312596
This is as much rent free as it gets.

>>11316009
Is this a serious plan or a proposal from Elon?

>>11312598
Good Stuff, Anon!

https://youtu.be/R-HOQrinzlY
Scott Manley with the recap
does anybody have a link to the post-launch press conference?

>>11316036
>imagine having to fix a bug in that

>>11316027
It's kinda hard to tell at this point, but I can't think of anything fundamental that would stop them once they have some big rocket building experience under their belt. I mean Falcon is already "big" for a relatively young (in company years) startup company that only built one other smaller rocket previously, but Starship will be closing on Saturn V sized and stainless steel is what most previous big brains proposed for constructing even larger mega rockets during the Apollo era. Elon I think knows this and by choosing to learn how to work with stainless he's positioned SpaceX to be in a prime position to start building superheavy lifters or BDB's once they fully understand what they're doing and have a years of large rocket experience under the belt.

>>11316052
Starship is larger than the Saturn V in many metrics

>>11315811
Reddit would be more your speed, then
Go back there, and stay there

>>11316060
Very true, especially the upper stage which cuts out all of the extra staging and the sharp tapers that Saturn had. I'm confident once SpaceX has experience with Starship they'll move on to an even bigger rocket, just like they're moving on to Starship before all of the human rating is even completely finished for Falcon and Dragon. It makes sense to me at least, as long as you keep getting work done and there are no fundamental issues, and it's not risking bankrupting you if it can't be done, there's no reason not to push your innovation to the bleeding edge and just keep going.

>>11316052
I can see that happening, but I think a limiting factor to that would be the need. There's already a limited amount of 100t to LEO type payloads and it'll take a while before such payloads would be more common. Meanwhile SpaceX would have this super large Starship that's oversized for any payloads which might prove to be economically unfeasible. I was wrong before though. Hopefully things work out for SpaceX.

>>11316065
Reddit hates anime? I'd figure that place would love it nearly as much as 4chan(nel).

>>11316072
Starship Super Heavy as planned is taller, heavier, has more first stage thrust and more capacity to low earth orbit than the Saturn V
Saturn V has more total delta v

>>11316027
Its a future prospect after Starship. So its far off into the future. I'd say another 6-10 years into future.

>>11316074
Personally, before SpaceX caught my attention I was already thinking that the "demand for heavy payload" thing was a self-breeding problem. There's no major industry in space, so nobody needs a heavy payload, to get major industry in space you need a heavy payload but nobody has an industry to justify starting to design larger lifters. Before cars existed nobody realized they needed a car, before trains existed nobody realized they needed a train. In some part demand and expansion does drive transportation, but the advances in transportation also couldn't have happened if the original car makers and railroad layers, train builders, etc hadn't made a risky first investment into relatively novel modes of transportation. They ended up some of the richest people of their generation once everybody else realized just how radically those new methods of getting to new territory could change their lives. I think Elon has the balls to be one of those first risky transportation creators, he might succeed and become a modern day railroad baron or fail and end up as just "one of the aerospace guys" along with cockheed, Boeing, etc. Bezos too has been willing to invest in creating new heavy lifters, and considering the ridiculously rapid success of Amazon I'd be inclined to give credence to what he invests money into.

>>11314988
>capsaicin
Worked really well for peppers, didn't it.

>>11315796
>>11315802
>>11315808
>>11315812
>>11315823
Get your filthy moeshit out of my thread. The only anime allowed here is anything from the CHADGONBALL series.

>>11316151
Frieza is also moe

>>11316095
I won't put that much stock on Bezos getting into space as a legitimate growth strategy for business. He was a space nerd during his Princeton days and wishes to fulfill O'Neill's vision of space colonies. Both him and Musk are just realizing dreams from their youth while trying to make it also a legitimate business.

>>11316074
Remember, even when launching the same size payloads as F9 or heavy, Starship will be flat out cheaper.

>>11316161
Bezos has long abandoned that dream
if he was still in it with a dream to catch, the blatant ass dragging blue origin displays would have been purged long ago

>>11316095
I guess breaking the "demand for heavy payload" problem could be viable. Hopefully the payload development time shortens considerably in the near future.

>>11316166
Do you have a price breakdown on that?

>>11316170
well, Starship won't throw away an upper stage
F9 always throws away an upper stage

>>11316168
He's still trotting out the O'Neill cylinder concept art whenever BO has an event. He's not abandoning it, he's just moving slow.

>>11316179
He's the wealthiest man on the fucking planet
he has no fucking reason to move slow
he's the one motherfucker on this earth that could pull off moving full retard fast and not have it threaten his bank account

oh damn, rare view of the SpaceX flight suits when they're inflated
https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1218972068592701440

>>11316195
I guess they look a little bit better.

>>11316195
that inflated neck though

>Mr Musk and NASA administrator Jim Bridenstine said the next Crew Dragon could launch with a pair of NASA astronauts in the second quarter of this year — as early as April.
>Ms Lueders said it was too soon to know whether Boeing would need to send another Starliner to the space station without a crew or go straight to launching astronauts later this year.
OH NO NO NO NO.. Boeing on suicide watch.

>>11316229
Why is it of any concern if Boeing is ready to fly in terms of SpaceX's plans? I know that NASA wants both to be ready so that they can be backups for each other, but Dragon could be flying while Starliner is wrapping up its development.

>>11316205
The neck is always fucky when it comes to suits

>>11314752
We've run out of high-IQ nazi engineers. The people working at NASA now have half their IQ. We will never even get to the moon again.

>>11316247
NASA has already given contracts for a set number of launches. Boeing of course wants those contracts and so do the senators and congressmen whom have factories for those parts.

If Boeing is delayed or the contracts fall into SpaceX's hands then those politicians can chimp out and fuck NASA in the long run with budgets and future mission plans. So it's in NASA's best interest to keep both spacecraft on as 'equal' of a footing as possible to keep themselves out of the fire.

>>11316195

>>11316297
excuse me?
what is this
UC Gundam?

>>11316261
>he thinks we need NASA
go be a FUD nigger elsewhere

>>11316310
>you think the brain drain is just in NASA
We're performing eugenics in the US by mass importing sub 100 IQ people, and you think they're going to be the next geniuses that get us to Mars. These people can't even figure out how to support themselves financially.

>>11316247
It should just be a case of crew rotation. The only American scheduled to go to the ISS is Chris Cassidy in April on a Soyuz with all others departing soon after. If the DM2 crew can serve as part of the normal crew rotation in Q2, NASA would only need the CFT Starliner, which has already been announced to be a long term mission, in Q3 or Q4. If a Starliner is ready before then, maybe they can redo OFT. The CFT crew would probably then be relieved by the next Crew Dragon along with the all-russian Soyuz crew in October.

>>11315614
They intend to land it with the solid boosters attached?

>>11316356
yeah

>>11316356
Yes. IIRC it's done to both decrease the landing TWR without the need for lots of engines, and to increase the amount of material returned.

>>11316261
this is why we need Neo-Nazis, it will be good for the space program

>>11316074
>There's already a limited amount of 100t to LEO type payloads
>>11316166
>Starship will be flat out cheaper.
That's the thing, price limits the potential payloads. Lower the price and bigger things become affordable that weren't before.

>>11316255
>>11316195
What's funny though is I'm sure the puffed up neck must have lifted up the entire helmet by an inch or two

>>11316027
that was an answer to "what is the theoretical largest you could make starship with current raptors"

>>11314821

Just build new shit.

>>11316195
glossy white seats and suits and ancient looking instrument panels

>>11316611
I believe the question was "what's next after Starship"
there's no limit to how wide you could make a vehicle with current Raptors

>>11316640
that's just what instrument panels look like
they've always looked like that and they always will

>>11316640
>ancient looking instrument panels
Give em a few lights flashing in different colors for no reason and the whole thing would kinda give fallout 4 vibe

Boeing is SEETHING

Why isnt the lunar north pole as popular as the south?

https://twitter.com/coastal8049/status/1219165711295139845

something is going on

>>11312460
I am a retard as well. I downloaded the first stargazing app I could find back in highschool (I have SkyView Lite for iphone) and I actually use it all the time. If I notice an interesting star I point it and it tells me what it is with other data and links to the wikipedia page. I’ve also used it a couple of times and noticed the ISS about to flyover and it’s helped me find it. HIGHLY suggest it

>>11313396
Now I know how the Vulcans feel

>>11315677
Nice find, looks like the top of the boost tore off.

THE YEAR OF THE RED DRAGON IS UPON US:

>China Mars 2020 update: CASC has successfully performed a 100-second test of the hydrolox YF-77 engines for the 4th Long March 5, which will launch the China Mars orbiter/rover mission late July/early Aug. China's Mars mission, which is its first independent interplanetary mission, is seemingly on course for launch. Long March 5 launcher seems ready, parachutes tested, landing systems passed testing, ground stations & support ready.

>China is planning 3 sea launches of the Long March 11 solid rocket this year. First CZ-11 launch of 2020 will be from Xichang, however, in February, & use a 2.5 m fairing. Total of 5 CZ-11 launches in 2020; 2022 to see debut of larger Long March 11A.

>The Long March 8, China's first attempt at Falcon 9-style vertical takeoff, vertical landing orbital launcher. It familiar grid fins & landing legs, but notably side boosters still attached. It is to have a test launch in 2020.

>China’s new generation crew spacecraft has arrived at Wenchang, Hainan island, ahead of preparations for the test flight of the Long March 5B launch vehicle, space contractor CASC has confirmed. The new-gen spacecraft has a max length of 8.8 metres and mass of 21.6 tonnes. The flight will be uncrewed, testing on-orbit, reentry, parachutes. The launch of the LM-5B needed to proceed to launch of the 'Tianhe' space station core module. There are reports that the spacecraft will perform a high speed re-entry test a la Orion EFT-1 at the end of its 3 days mission.

https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1219019050258485250

https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1219027315377758208

https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1219028831937404928

https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1219179962172891136

>>11317099
Can't take credit. This was noted by Scott Manley.

>>11317113
>21.6 tonnes
So this is going to be Orion-tier rather than a direct Dragon knockoff??

>>11317305
Sort of, it’s apparently designed for both LEO and lunar-spaceflight as part of China’s future crewed Moon program. Think of the upcoming test flight in April as the Chinese equivalent of EFT-1.

>>11317305
>>11317371
So basically, it’ll double as a Shenzhou replacement and an Orion equivalent in later configurations.

Have we thought of how Concentrated solar power could be implemented? Since the sunward side of the inner solar system reaches 248 degrees at earth alone. It would be heavy but you could harvest more power from sunlight with less degradation and it would make a good sunshield. It could provide mass power to factories and habitats in space or even particle beams for long distance propulsion. Or possibly at the lunar poles for long duration power for propellant or colonies.
How would we implement this realistically?