/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11305326
Depends. Probably interstellar colonization. Then? Who knows. Maybe imprinting consciousness into the fabric of spacetime to achieve immortality.

>>11305329
Spacetime/matter is already conscious
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-consciousness-pervade-the-universe/

>>11305326
i bet a subset of humanity evolves to live in low gravity space habitats before interstellar travel is readily possible, and there will have earthling and spaceling human descendant species. probably the earthlings will stay smarter and the spacelings will be our dumb but more space-savvy cousins that make it more difficult for space-faring to become worthwhile, while the spacelings dominate the skies but rely on us for resources and brainpower. the spacelings would probably be able to hold us hostage much more easily than we could them, so there will probably be some sort of cold war for eons that will not resolve until earthlings can reach interstellar capabilities, but naturally they will bring the spacelings along to their interstellar communities for economic reasons

>>11305326
Look up "tikkun olam" and the "divine androgyne" cultures.

To become God.

>>11305345
If it is possible to become God, God must necessarily already exist.

>>11305346
>t. brainlet

>>11305326
This.

>>11305341
Why would space people be dumb?

>>11305350
I see that you think the modern world is just great.

>>11305347
>He's not familiar with the doomsday argument
Either we're a blip in the firmament that will never be repeated, or if we're not, and can become gods, gods must have already existed for eternity and probably birthed the reality we find ourselves in

>>11305350
>Why would space people be dumb?
bad nutrition, poor health, shorter lifespans, smalller communities that can’t support scientific institutions, less cheap resources for science and education

basically i think the spacelings would be similar to modern nomadic communities like migrant workers or gypsies

>>11305341
I understand you are describing some sort of space cold war. But I'm more interested in what happens after the space cold war. More particularly, in what happens between the end of the space cold war and the end of the universe.

>>11305348
The only problem with the is comic is she has neighbors on both sides. Unless the pod she got once housed someone who died, it seems more like;y she'd be on the very end with no neighbor on one side.

>>11305360
i still think even after interstellar colonization you will see the same dynamic play out in other extrasolar systems where there is a spaceling + exo-earthling uneasy coexistence

>>11305326
Best case scenario we gradually revert back to a sustainable neolithic model, but that seems unlikely.

>>11305363
I have not watched Legend of the Galactic Heroes because it was too boring. But if that's what our future holds, I will fall asleep.

>>11305366
It only seems unlikely right now. But if push comes to shove, and we are forced into it by reality, well, we will have no choice but to follow the only possible path.

>>11305370
i don’t watch sci-fi at all, not since i was a teen over a decade ago. so i’m not basing my wild speculations on any sort of meme english major fiction author. just for the record

I just don't know if putting any effort into this world is worthwhile, since this world will disappear very soon anyway.

>>11305351
I just want to know why you think they would be dumber than earth people. I'm not trying to start shit

>>11305358
Aha, makes sense

>>11305326
>What is humanity's REAL endgame?

Complete domination of the universe.

>>11305346
>If it is possible to become God, God must necessarily already exist.

No, things don’t have to already exist for other things to become them, you fucking retard.

>>11305409
u wish fagit AAHAHA

>>11305348
That’s awesome. Can’t wait.

>>11305411

Smoll brain post

>>11305414
>u wish fagit AAHAHA

Don’t worry. I’m sure you’ll be relocated to a nice zoo one day.

>>11305402
Just as dumb, most likely. It really depends on the organization of man long term. eg look at how many people have cars, yet the average fool at this point could barely change his own oil or bother to try.

>>11305419
>Smoll brain post

Smoll brain post.

>>11305416
I actually would prefer a perfect artificial reality to this one. Just like cypher in the matrix

>>11305432
While you sleep they, the Elohim, strip mine the planet.

>>11305440
Cool. If they didn’t strip mine it, we would have. I love strip mining.

>>11305444
>i love raping my own mother EARTH
how do you enjoy putting your disgusting penis up your own mother earth's pristine vagina? i hope it feels good, because the child you will have brought into the world will make your life a living hell. enjoy

>>11305326
Wow Opie.
That's a really specific question, the way you outlined exactly what you don't want to hear.
Why not just wait for people to say some of this stuff, then pout and whine about not wanting to hear it?

With that in mind, here goes:
>flying cars
We already have flying cars, they're called helicopters.

>FTL
Barring some major sea change in our understanding of the universe, this one's not gonna happen.
It's not just a matter of discovering some new fundamental force or something, instead GR and/or causality have to be really seriously wrong, and they almost certainly aren't.

>colonizing galaxies
I'd say this one is fairly likely "if we don't die first".
The technology is almost inevitable, even if we have to get past another dark ages or two to get there.

>simulations
If you mean the singularity-fag's bullshit, it's not "humanity", since simulated people aren't human, and certainly aren't "real people uploaded".

>dying of global warmings
>If we don't die first
>dying
>If we don't die
I'll just let you think about this one.

>dying of overpopulations
The above "if we don't die first" verbal paradox applies here .
More importantly, I'm not sure how we'd die out from having too many people.
Plus there's the whole "peak child" thing.
We've had about the same number of children (under 14) worldwide since the 90's.
The only reason thee population's still going up is there aren't enough old people leaving to balance the new babies arriving.
Current trends continuing, it'll work itself out.
cont...

>>11305458
>how do you enjoy putting your disgusting penis up your own mother earth's pristine vagina?

It’s simply fun, but to be honest, I prefer blowing my load deep in her asshole just like I do with my wife. “Mother Nature” was a bitch who tried to kill our ancestors at every turn and one day we decided to kill her instead. We win.

>>11305466
>instead GR and/or causality have to be really seriously wrong, and they almost certainly aren't.

General relativity is wrong and we know it is because it’s incompatible with quantum mechanics. The idea that light cones are the limit of causality is simply an assertion devoid of any evidence whatsoever.

>>11305466
...cont:

>REAL and true predictions
For the near future?
The middle class is in decline, especially in the U.S.
There's no long term profit in more and more people having less and less disposable income, so we get a continued downward spiral.
Technology should continue to advance, making being poor less of a burden than it once was.
The average modern poor American still has a roof, running water and food.
Western hegemony is spreading the modern lifestyle to more and more people.
So I'm guessing a lot of people worldwide will be living under Ghetto-American conditions.
Hopefully, the current trends towards nationalism and strongman fascism is a temporary glitch, and we won't be left with an Orwellian bleak future.

>>11305472
>The idea that light cones are the limit of causality is simply an assertion devoid of any evidence whatsoever.
You're skipping the part where GR tells us that two sufficiently distant events occur in different orders depending on what frame of reference you use to describe the events.
That's fine for unrelated events, but not for FTL, regardless of whether you use the Alcubierre drive, wormholes or magic.
FTL is fantasy.

>>11305416
Wonderful , even on /sci/ you can find a
NPCs without some ambitions .

>>11305484
> You're skipping the part where GR tells us that two sufficiently distant events occur in different orders depending on what frame of reference you use to describe the events.

Only because light can only go so fast. An effect could “appear” to occur before its “effect” but this is just an illusion.

> FTL is fantasy.

Relativity is wrong, and so is every other scientific theory.

>>11305489
>Muh ambitions

My ambition is to get wireheaded.

>>11305472
>General relativity is wrong and we know it is because it’s incompatible with quantum mechanics.
false. general relativity is empirically true and is a low-energy limit (like newtonian mechanics is for quantum mechanics) for a quantum theory of gravity. quantum gravity theories exist and even if you bitch about string theory you can’t make the claim that there is any fundamental incompatibility. unless you are a misinformed undergrad

>>11305366
>we gradually revert back to a sustainable neolithic model,
Neolithic probably isn't as as sustainable as you'd think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction

>>11305495
wow i thought i was the only one

>>11305426
>look at how many people have cars, yet the average fool at this point could barely change his own oil or bother to try.
That's a cultural issue.
People aren't really getting dumber as you get older, it just seems that way.

>>11305496
>false. general relativity is empirically true

False. General relativity is empirically wrong. It fails to describe the effects of gravity on quantum scales and would have vacuum energy exert its own gravity. You know nothing, and we know nothing. Don’t pretend to.

> quantum gravity theories exist

No, they don’t. Hypothesis of quantum gravity exist. No theories exist, because no hypothesis of quantum gravity has made tested predictions.

>>11305492
>An effect could “appear” to occur before its “effect” but this is just an illusion.
Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity
> distant simultaneity – whether two spatially separated events occur at the same time – is not absolute, but depends on the observer's reference frame.

>>11305511
You didn't get the point of my post or even bother to try. You just responded reflexively.

Fuck off, tb qh

>>11305522
>Fuck off, tb qh

>>11305526

>>11305513
Creationists clearly confused by this whole physics/altitude debacle

>>11305513
>False. General relativity is empirically wrong. It fails to describe the effects of gravity on quantum scales and would have vacuum energy exert its own gravity. You know nothing, and we know nothing. Don’t pretend to.
you are completely saying nonsense and you are worse than wrong. if you want to talk about vacuum energy, you at least to be coherent logically, which you aren’t. try again when you learn the basic definition of vacuum energy

>> quantum gravity theories exist
>No, they don’t. Hypothesis of quantum gravity exist. No theories exist, because no hypothesis of quantum gravity has made tested predictions.
again, completely retarded. theories of things that go beyond experimental and observational measurements are exactly what einstein did and exactly what current theorists do. even if theorists live in a world with a plethora of experimental data, they still need to make up wild ideas since their job is to make predictions of future things. that’s what einstein did, even though in his days there were tons of unexplained experimental results.

today, theorists have less in the way of unexplained experimental results but theories of quantum gravity that they work on accommodate all observations plus are ready to handle all future possible observations. you are wrong

>>11305426
That's true. I know how to change my oil, but I'm lazy and pay someone else to do it. Plus you have to safely dispose of the oil. Also, I like computers, but I don't actually know how computers work, they're magic to me. Sure they're using transistors to generate logic, but I couldn't build even an 8 bit computer if you asked me to. You're right anon, lots of us are just monkey/operators.

>>11305348
Either a piece of me is dying or I just acquired a new fetish.

>>11305474
how can one even be as stupid as this. Like, I can't even.

>>11306300
>Like, I can't even.
Please try.
This "you're wrong and stupid, never mind how or why", makes you sound incredibly egotistical.

>>11305474
>current trends towards nationalism and strongman fascism
What current trends? Humans have never been softer and less masculine than now.

>>11305474
>>11306378
Let me jump in here - he is right, the middle class in the US is shrinking. But the poor/working class is also shrinking. Where did they go? The upper class. 30% of American households make more than $100k now.

>>11305326
>whats humanities REAL endgame
>please, none of these completely likely scenarios like dying of overpopulation in a ecosystem in which we've already surpassed carrying capacity and the technology to continue to support us wont exist in the near future and the environment is being destroyed, no memes guys come on only REAL and true predictions
Okay, we'll hit unsustainable levels of consumption based on overpopulation. The damage to our environment will be irreparable within a meaningful amount of time. The technology we currently rely on to prop up our species beyond the carrying capacity (fossil fuels) will either burn out, become incapable of supporting us further, or continue to damage the environment to such a degree as to be unusable. If some form of nuclear power (the only viable solution) isn't made in the interim, we're fucked, human development halts for a minimum of generations, if we recover in a relatively short (read: thousands of years) amount of time at all. There will be wars fought over calories, as there will be too many people with nothing to eat. The dystopian cyberpunk corporations will deal with the genetic information necessary to make crops that can survive. There will be constant terrorist attacks against what food there is so that these corporations can keep making money. Human civilization will be housed down into remote, largely isolated clumps of pseudo-metropolitan areas.

If we can manage to come out the other side of that, and if the environment ever recovers, we might start it all again, but it's unlikely since the whole reason we got to the point we've manage to get to in the first place (fossil fuels) will be unavailable either due to scarcity, difficulty to procure, or simply because they were used up.

We're pretty much guaranteed to not be colonizing other planets, ever, and if we manage to overcome that barrier, large-scale transportation between such colonies won't be wide-scale available to any of us.

>>11306395
100k/year is no longer enough to be counted as 'upper class' though, because expenses have outstripped wages. The thing killing the middle class/americans in general is not money coming in, it's expenses coming out. Usury and easy credit loans make it so people can live far beyond their means until they crash and burn. The average american has more debt than they can pay off in a year, and spend as much as they bring in every paycheck. 100,000/year isn't a lot if 50,000/year is going to school loans/credit debt.

Usury is a society killer.

>>11306413
This doom-and-gloom view is so fucking stupid. There's millions upon millions of arable land still unused, and we could easily feed 10x our current population. The biggest issue facing us on overpopulation is transportation and allocation.

>>11305326
It’s art

>>11305326
>>>11306834

>>11306395
>100k per HOUSEHOLD, let alone per person
>upper class
Excuse me but nani the fuck? Even in low cost of living areas that's lower middleclass.

Cooming.

>>11305326
regenerative immortality

>>11305534
>again, completely retarded. theories of things that go beyond experimental and observational measurements are exactly what einstein did and exactly what current theorists do.

Theories without experimental verification are not theories. They are hypothesis. Simple as.

>>11306413
Doomsday prophecies have done nothing but fail for over four thousand years.

>>11307373
Cooming is pretty good.