/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11298337
See this thing? Ice builds up on them and falls off in odd ways. What you see moving around is that ice. You can see that ice in many of their videos.

>>11298337
CGI "ice" in the shape of a mouse.

>>11298337
Literally just ice.

>>11298381
>>11298390

yep, I see it. Theres actually tons of ice and debris in the entire launch clip, hence why I only focused on this specific object that moves differently than anything else.

>>11298388
don't be absurd.

>>11298403
It moves like that due to the vibrations and g-forces. In factories there are entire conveyors that are essentially vibrating trays that move objects in one direction across them or even uphill in a spiral (Vibratory Feeder System). It is pretty neat.

>>11298450
but how does this specific ice bend? are you sure it is not a part of the engine?

>>11298337
>>11298381
>supposedly hot engine
>ice
NASA shills aren't even trying anymore

>>11298473
honestly it is a waste of time to argue about any sort of melting/temps/etc.. what is in the video, and why does it seem symmetrical and move with undulations and bending, as well are appear to raise and lower its height back and forth, and move in sporadic bursts all over the engine whilst maintaining its overall appearance of mass.

>>11298482
>as well are
as*

i need a break.

>>11298403
>don't be absurd.
It's absurd to think it's real - it's blatantly fake.

>>11298492
its probably just a part of the engine, just trying to figure out what.

>>11298504
Don't forget, it's CGI

>>11298524
what? can you stop.

>>11298747
Can fakeX stop using CGI?

>>11298917
you realize just saying that while providing absolutely nothing to back it up works against your assertion, correct? or is that the goal?

>>11298337
Retarded concern troll thread by the faggot who thinks he's going to convince people it's a mouse. Have seen this thread multiple times, except he thinks he's being clever now by asking a question instead of making an assertion like before. Kill yourself, OP.

>>11299033
"do not question multi-billion dollar corporations"
"that is not allowed"

why so concerned?

>>11299041
Its fine to question such organizations, but what isn't fine is questioning them, get answers for your questions, and then discard the answers because those didn't fit your narrative.

>>11298388
A mouse could have crawled into the engine before launch, and perished in space.

>>11299062
>he doesnt know the board is anon
>he thinks he knows which posts are mine

perhaps reddit.

>>11298524
>>11298917
Why would space x CGI a vaguely mouse looking piece of ice? That doesnt make any fucking sense.

>>11299091
I meant "you" in a general sense.

>>11299107
oh, well i cant take anyone seriously who must generalize things in order to make sense.

sorry.

>>11299025
The evidence is that it looks fake as fuck.

>>11299068
Yes, definitely.

>>11299289
How so? Can you tell by the pixels? You've seen quite a few shops in your time?

>>11299103
They've done weird shit with the ice before. I don't know why these weirdos are doing it, perhaps trying to send a message to us plebs.

>>11299294
Yes, every oldfag on 4chan can tell it's fake. Stop pretending you can't.

>>11299300
Then explain how you somehow spotted that it's fake. How was it faked? How did SpaceX get away doing this when they're providing launches to real people and organizations who would be upset if their spacecraft don't get sent to space. Why fake it?

What about your evidence as to why this is faked? Do you have a technical break down of a launch explaining the faked parts? Even better, do you have evidence that the launch was physically impossible? Such as scientific papers, observations, and demonstrations of spaceflight not being like how it's commonly shown.

Stop deflecting and actually explain your position.

>>11299310
>>11299300
how about you both take your flat earth debate somewhere other than my thread

this is about identifying the engine part

>>11298381
>a fucking thumbnail for antkind

>>11299068
>perished
>he doesnt know

>>11299296
Schizophrenic logic

>>11299310
It's faked by CGI. The only "spacecraft" that SpaceX sends to "space" is NASA crap who fake everything as well, so no issues there.

Satellites are put on weather balloons and launched that way, but they can't show this so use fake CGI launches.

>>11299515
Damn they manage to get weather balloons to orbital velocity? Thats more impressive than just building conventional rockets!

>>11299515
>It's faked by CGI.
Explain how you can tell. Show the evidence.

>The only "spacecraft" that SpaceX sends to "space" is NASA crap who fake everything as well, so no issues there.
What about the communication satellites made by private companies, such as AsiaSat 8 or Telstar 19V or Arabsat-6A?

>Satellites are put on weather balloons and launched that way
There's no way a balloon could reach the speeds necessary to fly across the sky at the rates we see. Orbital velocity is almost eight times higher than the fastest airplane (SR-71), and almost EIGHTY times faster than the fastest recorded jet stream wind.

Bring actual evidence next time instead of deflecting.

>>11299744
You're the claiming is real. The burden of proof naturally lies on you.

>>11300179
I never actually claimed that, I just asked how you know that it's faked. You're still deflecting and not supporting your argument. What is your evidence that SpaceX is faking their launches?

>>11300187
Shouldn't it be up to SpaceX to prove their launches are real? A weirdly shaped moving part on their engine during launch doesn't lend much credibility to the authenticity of the launch footage.

>>11300192
>Shouldn't it be up to SpaceX to prove their launches are real?
On this forum? No. They're not obliged. They do need to prove their capabilities to private communication companies who are buying launches from SpaceX to send their communications satellites to orbit. With all of those satellites that SpaceX have launched and will launch, it seems like SpaceX have proven themselves to those companies.

>>11300206
>private communication companies who are buying launches from SpaceX
I wouldn't be surprised if they're all government owned shell corps. They are hell bent on propping up fake space industries

>>11298390
Ice doesn't move around on its own.

>>11300221
It'll appear to move on it's own when the rocket is accelerating and the ice is left behind.

>>11299744
>Explain how you can tell. Show the evidence.

>>11299744
>>It's faked by CGI.
>>11299744
>Explain how you can tell. Show the evidence.

>>11300261
>more pointing at weird recordings
You'll need to find more substantial stuff.

>>11300266
That's not a chromakey screen through. Actual chromakey screens are a solid color so that it'll be easy to edit with a computer. Having these lines would defeat the purpose.

>>11300273
>That's not a chromakey screen through. Actual chromakey screens are a solid color so that it'll be easy to edit with a computer. Having these lines would defeat the purpose.

>>11300278
Where is that picture from? Reverse image search reveals nothing.

>>11300269
>You'll need to find more substantial stuff.

>>11300266
Literally not evidence

>>11300282
First, the choppy motion is from a low recording frame rate of the camera, this was done to preserve film. Second, the Mercury suits had helmets that can swivel.

>>11300280
>Where is that picture from?
the internet

>>11300285
>low recording frame rate of the camera

I know this is the official damage control response, but the movement is just too unnatural. Discern with visual logic.

>>11300282
What the actual fuck am I supposed to be seeing here
>dude he turned his head

>>11300283
>Literally not evidence>>11300273
>That's not a chromakey screen through. Actual chromakey screens are a solid color so that it'll be easy to edit with a computer. Having these lines would defeat the purpose.

So just we're clear, you guys are saying they don't use blue/green screen technology?

>>11300290
>weightlessness looks unnatural
Damn who would have thought

>>11300295
>What the actual fuck am I supposed to be seeing here

Old-school animation

>>11300296
Just so were clear, no that's not what anybody in the thread claimed.

>>11300297
>weightlessness looks unnatural

>>11300299
This is on the same tier as those videos where people zoom into obamas or Hillary Clinton's eyes or whatever to prove they have reptile pupils

Mods, get your act together.

>>11300301
>Just so were clear, no that's not what anybody in the thread claimed.

OK so we can agree they DO use blue/green screen to fake being in outer space, correct?

>>11300310
"No"

>>11300310
>OK so we can agree they DO use blue/green screen to fake being in outer space, correct?
>>11300316
>"No"

>>11300287
This one is titled "wire tangled" but it's obvious what happens at that part near the end where it's supposed to show that somehow the man who was spinning is bound by some invisible guy lines and that's why his arms sort of move only a little!

There are many hand and foot holds all around the station, there are two visible in that webm, the blue bars on the left side of the screen. To assist keeping yourself in place they slide their feet underneath them. You even see this happen where his right leg ( left side in the video) slides in first and then he pulls himself slightly down to get his other foot in place.

"Well, why CAN'T he move his arms out to the side at all!?" He actually can, after his twirl, at 0:12 seconds he fully extends his arm out to reach for either the floor or more likely another of those blue handholds to assist orienting himself back between the other two.

If he is supposedly tangled up, where are the indications of such on his clothes or skin?

>>11300329
>If he is supposedly tangled up, where are the indications of such on his clothes or skin?

Why would this stuff happen if hes just floating in space?

>>11300326
What point in the actual video did this happen because this webm looks fake as fuck to me

>>11300333
He stuck his pinky into his pants pocket.

>>11300338
>What point in the actual video did this happen because this webm looks fake as fuck to me

Its all fake

>>11300342
Are you also a flatearther?

>>11300342
your evidence is what is fake and/or retarded.

>>11300350
>your evidence is what is fake and/or retarded.
You're doing a great job proving this information false.

>>11300349
>Are you also a flatearther?

Nasa is

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19890005752.pdf

page 36

>>11300333
>Why would this stuff happen if hes just floating in space?
Why wouldn't it? You can see the entire dimensions of the space he is floating in the entire time. Are you trying to tell me that some wire is present there, which is elastic enough to stretch out all around him while he is spinning all over the place, and also not be made taught around him when he reaches and extends his arms out. But, this mystical super material is also rubber enough to provide all the buoyant force to deceive the viewer with some hollywood fakery of floating at the same time?

Take a still from any point in that video and show me where you think the wires are with mspaint or some equivalent. If some wire is holding him up, how is it not taught while he is not touching the floor, or floating?

>>11300382
>You can see the entire dimensions of the space he is floating in the entire time. Are you trying to tell me that some wire is present there, which is elastic enough to stretch out all around him

>>11300398
>>You can see the entire dimensions of the space he is floating in the entire time. Are you trying to tell me that some wire is present there, which is elastic enough to stretch out all around him
>>11300382
forgot webm

>>11300360
you make fake shit like the falcon heavy webm and expect people to prove it false...
you're an actual retard.

>>11300402
>you make fake shit like the falcon heavy webm and expect people to prove it false...
>you're an actual retard.

>>11300400
Yes, grab any string or fishing line or whatever you have around, a shoelace even. For something to hang from it, to be suspended from it, it has to be pulled taught, or straight right? There is no slack or drooping from where the string is attached or held to the objects hanging from them.

The guy in the webm, is upside down after spinning around on both axis, if some wire is present holding him up it would need to be taught. And if it is, then he wouldn't be able to extend his arm out to the side and above his head which he is able to do.

Oh, and as for the first guy in >>11300342 It's literally the same fundamental physics as in ice skating where he extends that leg that is "caught" outwards to slow his spin just for a moment to give him time to place his other foot underneath a foothold.

>>11300400
Same with this one, the video claims there are some visual shenanigans, but then provides no theory as to how it is being faked. Just saying Wires! is not enough, show me where you think the wires are attached to these individuals, and where they are attached to the surrounding structure in such a way that peoples arms and legs don't pas through them, or if they supposedly do, then where are the multiple video artifacts from all those times when someone actually does get tangled in something.

>>11300428
how do you not even understand the most basic shit about focal length?

>>11300400
I felt specifically to adress the "manipulation area" part which is most likely an artifact of compression. Here is a video of missing keyframes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-bz21deEeY

What you can notice happen is that the texture "sticks" onto surfaces. This is because the compression takes an occasional keyframe and then maps how the different areas moves, since the keyframe is missing the old picture gets moved like the new picture would have. So part of the area moving slightly for a single frame isnt the most solid proof of anything, Id say that if anything this is better as proof of no CGI as any respectable CGI artist would do a better job than that.

https://youtu.be/RYJhYbuk3Ms
Nearly the exact same background minus the blue screen. Look at the stowage near the ceiling.

Also, not evidence.

>>11300296
That's neither CGI or bluescreen. It's just a crude effect overlay and cut to a scene with the toy.

>>11300266
>tfw read filename as strange russian word бyшaтнaca

wow so this is the power of schizo

>>/sci/thread/S11298337

>>11300558
based mods

>>11300558
I wonder what took them so long.

>>11300558