/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11292619
First for Martian regolith hive cities built by swarm intelligent robots

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yV1KI00UeTM

Bring back the Tsyklon 2&3! They were so aesthetic, I hope the Cyclone 4M works out for Ukraine.

>>11292641

Threadly reminder to gas your local FUDposter.

Reminder that SLS/Artemis has a 51% success chance. It was talked about in a hearing called "Hearing: Developing Core Capabilities for Deep Space Exploration"
https://youtu.be/BnFj67C0G6I?t=1h11m44s

During this hearing it was revealed that Mr. Doug Cooke, Former Associate Administrator, Exploration Systems, National Aeronautics and Space Administration wrote an article called 'getting back to the moon requires speed and simplicity' Cooke states:
1. NASA is breaking the lander/gateway deliberately into multiple pieces to feed contractors who have built a deliberately under-preforming rocket so they can sell their own for commercial launches OR force multiple SLS constructions
2. NASA's current approach requires on average 8 launches VS a single Apollo launch for moon landing including construction launches of the gateway/lander these include both private commercial and SLS launches
3. NASA's approach has 51% chance for an overall mission success. Not taking into account the launch vehicle maturity risk

>>11292716
>NASA is breaking the lander/gateway deliberately into multiple pieces to feed contractors who have built a deliberately under-preforming rocket so they can sell their own for commercial launches OR force multiple SLS constructions
I thought that the three part lander was for political redundancy? That way if a part of the moon program was cancelled by the next administration then the parts of the lander can be used for other things.

I figured we'd need an aerospace version of this

Enjoy

>>11292718
Do you have a source for that? According to Bridenstine he wants more lander's for future missions.. built by the commercial sector so why would he break up the ones he already has?

>>11292741
>Do you have a source for that?
I don't have one sadly. Just a rumor I've heard.

>>11292716

Get rid of the SLS part.

>>11292753
>delet this
SLS was built using Artemis as an excuse and was in turn made weaker than Apollo to ensure commercial kikes could sell their rockets. They go hand in hand m8.

How long until flyable Starship prototype gets built?

All I've seen in the live streams are just some workers welding scrap metal together with zero progress in like the past 6 months.

Fresh bread feels good man
Just so you guys know I’m going to be the next Elon Musk (1-2 years until) and I’m going to direct 90% of the space economy out of Aust

>>11292760

Can you pay me 400 grand to rebut the junk that Doug Cook gets paid 400 grand to insert into your mind?

>>11292619

SpaceX so cool

>>11292763
If you mean Australia then good luck with that impossible feat.

>>11292760

Two SLS can carry an Orion and three elements, so the three element lunar lander architecture is inherently both a 2 launch SLS program if they can get work it in down the line given budget and schedule uncertainty which they probably can't in the near term, and a SLS plus commercial launchers program if they can't or they want to keep the commercial launch path to coopt it for rhetoric reasons and actual cost and schedule advantage given the superiority of commercial launchers to SLS, while also minimizing blamable program risk from SLS/Orion itself to just its operable flights.

One of the "agendas" of the SLS instigators was to lock in the SLS program so that the (subsidized)marginal cost of an addition SLS unit could be competed against the ticket price of commercial alternatives without corresponding subsidy. Then Elon Musk went and built a rocket that is cheaper than a subsidized marginal cost only SLS, go figure.

Doug Cooke's ants in the pants worries about multiple flights get regularly disproven by ISS' continued existence.

>>11292779

I got to proofread these more:

if they can (-get) work it in down the line given budget and schedule uncertainty

for rhetoric reasons, and actual cost and schedule advantage, given the superiority of commercial launchers to SLS

>>11292779

Some more:

NASA, a NASA that preeminently wants to rationalize and preserve SLS, also doesn't want to commit to a SLS only moon only architecture because it is obvious cancel bait in a world where Elon is landing tourists on the moon for orders of magnitude less.

>>11292795

While the SLS only moon only types often cannot temperamentally stand inclusion of anything else even in simple rhetoric alone.

>>11292763
Australia has everything- optimal locations for launching, mats, tons of chink spreadsheet monkeys and me

>>11292805
>>11292771
Whoops was meant for you

>>11292763
>>11292805
What can we expect to see?

>>11292795
holee fook. I just watched NASA's astronaut graduation ceremony and their tagline is 'the first woman and the next man on the moon'. What if they got beat by a random paying tourist

>>11292795
NASA can't risk faking moon landings again - screen cap this post, something will happen that will halt any moon missions.

One possibility they might try is having having all the ISS astronauts start dying at early ages from weird conditions, showing that the human body can't handle long stretches in space.

>muh moon hoax
http://www.clavius.org/

>>11292821
Being on the forefront of moving heavy industry to space, moon and Mars

>>11292887
How are you planning on doing that? You going to build your own rockets or rent them from Elon?

>>11292821
I mean if we're sharing future goals, I want to design the pioneering interplanetary engines.

>>11292889
Ideally I can vertically integrated everything in this project, but that would require so much time and money. I’m not going to have any niche reasons to require my own rockets, and private industry is becoming pretty competitive.

I don’t think I want to go into anything specific about my plans, but we are still at the start of an era (like the internet, like industrialisation) where innovators reap the rewards. The primary difference is funding, as opposed to the accessibility entrepreneurs had with the internet and industrialisation

>>11292904
I’m Aus anon not the other dude

>>11292904
Hire me bro

What's the conservative estimate for Starship landing on the Moon?

>>11292988
it'll make cis-lunar space a no-go zone for a day or so

>>11292988
2027, beating Artemis by 3 years

>>11292994
What makes you think Artemis would get to the moon by 2030?

>>11292998
What makes you think Artemis would get to the moon ever?

Tell me about Vulcan. Is it likely to launch next year or not? Will it be competitive with other low cost launchers?

>>11293112
>ULA
>Cost competitive

Lul, its using BE-4s though which is cool.

>>11293112
VULCAN LIVES

So since raptor still needs COPVs to startup the turbines before the autogenous pressurisation kicks in how are they going to keep them chilled for months until they aerobrake into Mars? The header tanks will need some cooling but they are at a much higher temp and are vacuum insulated so it will be a totally different cryo cooling system they need to keep running. Spooling up the turbines with electric motors and batteries seems like the logical solution but they are not going for it, so the turbines need too much power to spool up or what?

>>11293139
100,000 horsepower needed, yeah. Elon has said electric engines won’t cut it

>>11293179
I thought that was in relation to entirely electric turbopumps though, for the spool up they only need maybe a few seconds don't they?

>>11292874
one can only fucking pray that something like that happens

Their retarded focus on social inclusiveness as opposed to actual results won't get them anymore support from the public, especially from congress.

Literally fire all of their PR staff except for 1 dude because the shit the put out is already precompiled, then 90% of HR because they are hardasses who exist to only hire from military, nepotism, IVYs (which isnt that different from nepotism)
to get in anyways (no I havent been denied from NASA i have had a few buddies who did and NASA gives the same bullshit denial reasons as everyone else.)

I want schizo posters to go back to /x/

>>11293226
Ignore them, report, and don’t reply.

>>11293237

>>11292952
Also, maybe I can suck off Elon and go to Mars first, I want the first person to take the most important step in the final frontier to be a white male (ideally me)- just to make trannys and everyone seethe

>>11293226
they don't actually damage the board at all, reddit damages the board, csposters damage the board, non-whites damage the board, janny damages the board but schizos are inconsequential and an inevitability on an anonymous assyrian geomancy forum

>>11293254
>I want the first person to take the most important step in the final frontier to be a white male (ideally me)- just to make trannys and everyone seethe

There’s little more indicative of childish mental illness than a desire to annoy people.

>>11293279
Tranny seethe

Reporting in

>>11293317
>Tranny seethe

There’s little more indicative of childish mental illness than a desire to annoy people.
You weren’t given enough attention as a child. It’s okay.

>>11293354
You will never be a cute anime girl

>another catastrophic fuel tank failure
>at puny 2.7 bars aka tyre pressure levels
>spacex manufacturing quality
HAHAHAHA

>>11293366
>You will never be a cute anime girl

Okay? I don’t even like anime.

>>11293377
Dilate.

>>11293377
Nice try

>6 Gorillion dollar expendable sustainer? Yes. On card.

>>11292887
>hey let‘s move all our heat and ressource intensive processes to places where cooling is almost impossible and ressources need to be transported crazy distances to get there

>>11293431
You need heavy industry to make a society on Mars or Luna, besides its not sustainable on Earth in the long run anyway so the sooner the better.

>>11293431
>Cooling is impossible on Mars which is on average -60 C

???

> and ressources need to be transported crazy distances to get there

Exploit resources in situ, retard.

>>11293378
>Dilate

There’s little more indicative of childish mental illness than a desire to annoy people. You have the mind of an eight year old.

>>11293442
Despite the low temperature, due to the extremely thin atmosphere, cooling on Mars is actually pretty difficult although that guy is still a retard.

>>11292848
Bezos has big enough eggs to do it, his contracts with the alphabet soup make NASA look like nothing. Musk would be kind of biting the hand that feeds by beating them there.

>>11293469
Lel once starlink is going it will make enough money that Elon can just laugh at NASA and do his own thing.

>>11293477
I was trying to light the fires of jealousy and you ruined it.

>>11293451
Maybe but we can just use radiators. It’s not some insurmountable problem.

>>11293491
I agree it's not an insurmountable problem, but radiators need to be 100x the size of those on Earth to dispose of similar heat. That being said, most of the heat on moving machinery is eliminated when you use batteries and electric motors since you don't have a 6L V10 engine idling away all the time.

>>11293499
It doesn’t have to all be dumped. Mars gets so cold that rovers can be killed by freezing, so we might as well use the excess heat to warm up rather than throwing it away.

>>11293506
Rovers produce a tiny amount of heat compared to heavy machinery. For sure some of the heat could be used to heat up hydraulic oil, keep batteries warm, etc... But you will still need to dump a fair amount even with electric motors and batteries. I would use some kind of high density liquid that you dump the heat into and swap out when it starts getting too hot.

>>11293513
Make a reservoir with a skylight full of algae. It can absorb enormous amounts of thermal energy, requires thermal energy, and will produce free oxygen and food.

>>11293518
Don't know the details but probably a good idea for static installations, but those aren't the problem really anyway since in a static installation you can dump heat into the ground pretty easily. It's the moving machinery that is the problem. If you tried that on say a bulldozer or loader then your tank would be boiling in fairly short order.

>>11293279
Dilate

>>11292634
>built by swarm intelligent robots
based and underrated post

>>11293580
Very childish. I hope you become a better person one day. :)

>>11292641
Maybe if they get funds from USA to keep the region in check,otherwise its dead in the water.

>>11293525
>It's the moving machinery that is the problem. If you tried that on say a bulldozer or loader then your tank would be boiling in fairly short order.

Might just have to operate them intermittently or stick goofy looking radiators on them like the ones on the ISS.

>>11293431
>>11293451
Retard anon here
1) Not all heavy industry is ‘heat intensive’, which pretty much makes the rest of your comments useless. You don’t know my plans retard
2) Heat in space is a materials engineering problem and not that significant when you have incredibly vast amounts of space/land-area. Entropy still applies in space retard
Let’s say my idea was too move nuclear power to the dark side of the moon. I don’t know much about their cooling systems, but I know it relies on water being cooled by convention/air. You can simply utilise radiation/conduction-to-ground with a huge volume/area of some metal (materials eng); this is achievable when you have vast plots of land and can dedicate it all to your reactor.
3) Your last point about resources is obviously retarded- are you assuming I’m planning on moving EVERY type of manufacturing to space?

But thank you for your criticisms- I appreciate it if people can find holes in my ideas even if I haven’t provided many details. Also, tranny-hating anon isn’t me, but I’d probably do the same; already has you seething. Not sure why you’re projecting so much?

>>11293666
As anon said above- pretty much radiators, not a huge problem. Advanced passive radiators solve a lot of other issues too

>>11293125
warhandy401k shit is so disproportionate that it took me a moment to even understand wtf i'm looking at in this pic

>>11293702
if it moves it's probably heresy

>>11293687
Isn’t graphene supposed to be really good for dumping thermal energy?

>>11293525
>>11293506
>>11293513
>>11293518
>>11293662
Cooling really is a massive problem in partial atmosphere and vacuum. Just the friction caused by digging can melt the tool's tip. So, everything has to slow down to a snail's pace to allow it time to cool off. Anything fact moving will need an ice water pack, like what astronauts use in their space walk suits. Of course that means it has limited duty cycle and will need to change its coolant when it gets saturated with heat or it will need to stop/slow down to radiate the heat and/or start venting coolant.

I can't even imagine how hot motors would get if they needed to do more work than just move a lightweight vehicle around. I imagine surface equipment will have shielding from any sun to further help cool things. Heavy machinery that needs to do serious digging/work, in one spot, may need to be attached to tethers that give them coolant that is circulated into heat exchangers in underground installations (pic).

>>11293779
I think it is good for transferring from one thermal mass to another, but not as a thermal mass sink itself. So, you'd use it instead of say copper as the heat sink material to go from the hot device to the radiators/water/soil or whatever.

>>11293796
The hotter things get, the quicker they lose heat.

>>11293813
Only if there's something to transfer the heat too. On Earth we have air cooling. On the moon, there's nothing. On Mars there's less than 1% of what we have on Earth. Ergo, any type of cooling you do will need to have quite an expanse of surface area for air cooling.

>>11293821
The more thermal energy an object possesses, the more and more electromagnetic radiation it emits. This is why things glow in the visible spectrum when extremely hot, and how doodads like infrared goggles work. Transferring the thermal energy to other matter isn’t actually necessary, just expelling the thermal energy in the form of photons. In some contexts, a medium is actually undesirable because the medium will confer its own thermal energy to objects within it, and even radiate back some of the radiation it receives. Mercury’s nightside reaches -180C because it loses all of the thermal energy it got from the sun to space via simple radiation, since there’s no atmosphere to trap heat.

>>11293666
Also, just to clarify, I’m not saying Id want to use the dark side of the moon because I think it’s always dark in this example. I just assume no one would be using this space (cheaper) anyway

>>11293821
Convection with air isn’t the only way, or even a good way, to transfer heat. It’s just easier

>>11293839
>>11293849
As true as that is, you will still burn up your equipment if you don't have direct contact heat dissipation. The ISS, for instance needs about 155 square meters of heat exchangers to get rid of its excess heat into space. The ISS uses about 80-120KW of energy. That is about the amount a Tesla car uses. Now imagine a roadheader excavating a tunnel and the machine needs 50-70kw just for a normal Earth-based pump cooling system, never mind all the extra power needed to run the machine. Meaning you'll need about 200 square meters of radiant cooling.

I'm really not sure what either of you are getting at.

>>11293853
The ISS is not the pinnacle of heat dissipation setups. Higher efficiencies can be realized, especially if the system is allowed to run hotter. The Kilopower system has a relatively modest radiator.

>>11293858
And?

>>11292992
why is that. fouling from the rocket exhaust particles the way Dragon did to ISS?

>>11293853
I’m more concerned about actual manufacturing and processing plants being able to work than anything, and that’s much easier when nothing’s moving so you have acres and acres of cooling

It’s just that obviously construction on Mars/moon isn’t very analogous to Earth, heavy machinery isn’t critical and there are workarounds. Not much outside of mining needs to be concerned with this in the near future

>>11292619
elon's thing looks like something that a kid built

>>11293853
ISS is exposed to sun and earth IR in vacuum. On mars you have massive cold sink which is the atmosphere AND the surface in addition to water, a chemical commonly used in cooling.

>>11293897
Supposedly the the thrust from Raptor engines on unprepared lunar surface would create the moon dust equivalent of Kessler Syndrome or something.

>>11292992
>day
Years. There's a reason why serious considerations are being made to limit the maximum landing mass of landers.

>>11293955
Your referring to this diagram, right? from a simulation of the effect a 40-ton lander’s thrusters will have on on lunar regolith. Starship is a 200+ ton (dry) lander...

>>11293451
just shove cooling vanes into the ground

>>11293354
>I'm annoyed that someone called me out for being a tranny, therefore they have a mental illness.

Oh the irony.

>>11293897
dust getting ejected from the moon by the Raptors
it won't be a big issue because it'll all either be hyperbolic or impact the surface within an orbit
>>11293960
No, the lunar gravity field is uneven enough that any dust that gets pulled orbital by masscons is going to get destabilized and impact the surface by the very same
the trajectory starts at the surface so by orbital mechanics and kessler's laws it must return to the same height

>>11293911
While true, you obviously underestimate cooling needs in such an environment.

>>11293964
>>11293955
it will just eject a bunch of dust
it'll make everything suck but it won't stick around

>>11293955
does SpaceX have public plans for preparing a surface/building a spaceport on the moon?

>>11293955
There's no atmosphere to drag it down faster. The escape velocity is 2.38 km/s, but I think orbital velocities are like 1.6km/s? Particles could be whirling around for a long time. However, at such low velocity I don't see that being much of a problem for craft if they are very generally shielded for it, which they already are I think. I don't believe they'd be smashing into a rocket at more than 3km/s. ISS is shielded for a range of 2-5km/s from what I've read in the past, if I'm remembering correctly. I think lunar escape orbits would max out relative velocity at 6km/s if they collided perfectly opposite from each other.

>>11294008
No, their public plans for the moon say: it's totally possible to land on the moon with a shitty refueling setup like starship, and we'll try to land on the moon if NASA pays for it

AND I QUOTE:

MOON MISSIONS

>Returning to the Moon and developing bases to support future space exploration requires the transport of large amounts of cargo to the Moon for research and human spaceflight development. The fully reusable Starship system is capable of supporting this effort by carrying the building blocks needed to enable a Moon base and by informing the development of propulsive landing systems to help realize this future.

>>11292634
Damn, that looks alien as fuck. Cool.

>>11294028
>>11293993
>>11293964
how about Starship using RCS thrusters (hotfire methalox) for terminal descent and landing on the Moon? Lunar gravity is weak and the ship will already be mostly empty and thus light.

>>11294065
I'm pretty sure they can do something similar. All that is needed is just enough fuel to slow them to very slow prior to touch down then use smaller thrusters to finish off the decent. They don't need to come in hot and heavy after all. It will take a bit longer for landing.

It's both amusing and sad how quickly spacex dialed back their starship timelines in the past four months.

>>11293995
And itt; they have been greatly exaggerated to the point /x/
>can't imagine anything more than lightweight vehicles
>football fields of radiators

Radiative cooling is the primary way to deal with heat in space, but not on Mars. There is also abundant water, and co2, that can be used as coolants for hot equipment.

>>11294079
It's especially entertaining how they moved the moon tourist joy ride to the distant 2023.

>>11294079
I was expecting it. Their dates always seem too optimistic, but at least they're making good progress.

>>11294079
Why is it sad/amusing?

>>11294096
Constant embarrassing unrealistic over promises followed by endless schedule slips and goal post moving.

>>11294079
It is the SpaceX way. Shooting for the stars, missing, but landing on Mars.

>>11294057
reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfd95Lo_Ni4

>>11292634
How the fuck do they know to do all that? Insect intelligence is so weird.

>>11294079
Starship is an unprecedented project like Apollo, so I can cut them lots of slack there. Better question is, where the fuck is Crew Dragon?

>>11294104
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1216022644614545409

>>11294104
Waiting for Starliner.

>>11294081
>big ice bucket of dry ice to cool your vehicle with

>>11294098
You're embarrassed over developing the most advanced rocket ship ever designed?

YIKES

>>11294102
similar way to the way our cells knowing how to assemble into body parts I guess. The whole mound is like a meta organism.

>>11294114
The best part is it won't even work the dry ice will just vaporize in the vacuum lol

>>11294121
Evolution literally hardcoded behavior into our DNA, what the fuck.

>>11294129
Found the racist here. Behavior != DNA. Stop saying blacks are stupid, you racist bigot. Evolution is fake.

>>11294128
that's how you make it colder, you control how much is allowed to evaporate by keeping it in a shitty box

>>11294081
While true, you obviously underestimate cooling needs in such an environment.

>>11294128
Why are you even part of this conversation?

>>11294129
>Evolution literally hardcoded behavior into our DNA

yes. It's not such a leap to think that our neural networks (brains) were initialised with synapses and weights which increase our chances of survival (this is what instinct is).

>>11294153
>reposting a joke from plebbit
>twice

>>11294194
I don't know what that is and it isn't a joke, but it seems you are a moron.

>>11293964
In other words, it wouldn't be a problem except for NASA's little diversity project in its crazy orbit.
Moon dust in your vagene? It's more likely than you think!

>>11294194
Anon I don't think any of us go over there ever. Maybe it's just you?

>>11294221
Nope.

>>11294212
there are a few moon orbiting satellites out there right now that could be impacted
hehe, impacted

>>11294212
Gateway is a beautiful project. Without it what would all the ground experts working on the ISS do? Imagine all that knowledge and expertise lost when the ISS is retired, it's almost a crime.

>>11294212
>crazy orbit.
It's orbit is still stupid. I know that it takes less DeltaV to get there than going to LLO, but then it takes more DeltaV to go from the crazy orbit to the lunar surface than to go from LLO to the same spot. Why not just have a LLO station so that the reusable lunar landers can be made smaller and cheaper for the same capacity?

>>11294212
There’s loads of other probes already orbiting the Moon, belonging to multiple nations. Also, the worst effected by dust ejection will be potential landers, rovers and infrastructure on the Lunar surface in it’s vicinity. Therefore, it’ll be everyone’s problem if it happens. Gateway is just their as a gauge to show how it could possibly effect NASA and the severity of the problem (people generally assume dust ejection only effects the surface).

>>11294224
Well I don't know anything about that place and you brought it up.

>>11294250
So we can expect international agreement both on landing zones and maximum landed mass? That's nice, more regulation is always helpful to promote good beneficial practices.

>>11294266
I think it'd be based on landing speed and delta-v needed to land than on mass. You'd be shooting for feather soft landings that take a while to land using minimal adjustment x distance from target.

>>11294316
That video is so satisfying on so many levels.

>>11294266
>>11294316
>>11293964
We can just land some rovers to prep landing sites. That could be anything from sweeping dust around to laying down a giant tarp.

>>11294212
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Gateway#Criticism
>Lunar Gateway would "shackle human exploration, not enable it".
>Gateway would not be useful to go to the Moon, Mars, near-Earth asteroids, or any other possible destination.
>Lunar Gateway is "useless for supporting human return to the lunar surface and a lunar base."
>Lunar Gateway would have "lost cost-effectiveness."
>Lunar Gateway can be useful only after there are facilities on the Moon producing propellant that could be transported to the Lunar Gateway.
>"using the Gateway as a staging area for robotic or human missions to the lunar surface is absurd."
>"lunar orbit project doesn’t help us get back to the Moon".
>Lunar Gateway is "a great way to spend a great deal of money, advancing science and humanity in no appreciable way."
>"The “lunar Gateway” is, in essence, building a space station to orbit a natural space station, namely the moon." and that "If we are going to return the moon, we should go directly there, not build a space station to orbit it."

Lunar Gateway is a grant farming scheme. Nothing more.

if you don't see a moon base or mars mission by which year will you give up your dreams? 2025 for me.

>>11294348
It can act as a lifeboat in case of disaster on the surface. Journey to it would often be only few days longer than one back to Earth.

>>11294363
let's take the dreams one step at a time
let's get Super Heavy lift back on the schedule first

>>11294363
I'd be happy if we even get a manned lunar flyby by 2025

>>11294363
2025 is pushing it really hard since its obvious no government effort will be put behind it and it will likely be entirely privately funded.
I'll give up hope entirely when I'm 50 which is 20 years from now, unless my spacex bankrupts or changes course dramatically in which case no need to wait full period. 20 years are a long time in action, and a blink during inaction.

>>11294378
Minor typo here from editing the line but it could lead to some interesting shitposts.

>>11294368
Quite true, but life boats can be pretty easy to make and setup without everything the Gateway will have.

>>11294363
Moon bases are really only going to be for science research. That's great and all, but space stations are where humanities' future resides.

>2025
That's only 5 years, anon. Neither are going to happen in that time span. I'd love to be proven wrong.

>>11294370
Let's just start throwing shit up in space ASAP using Falcon, Soyuz, and Ariane. All these bullshit communication sats for Earth use are just wasting resources, time, and money. I know the Starlink thing is intended to be a test bed for a similar communication network for Mars, but it is actually better to just fling that shit at Mars already.

>>11294422
with what money? Starlink is going to rake in the dough and then Elon will renounce his United States of American citizenship and crown himself Emperor of the Solar System

>>11294378
>tfw you will be 50 in 22 years

>>11294424
Don't start in with the money argument. There will never be profit for anything off world before humanity dies out at that rate. You need to have people thinking beyond profit for themselves for any of this shit to truly work. People with that kind of cash don't really think like that.

>>11294320
Wow, that makes so much sense.
Subject:

boards:sci;op:only;/^((?!sfg).)*$/;

Takes a second or two, but it gets the job done.

>>11294433
>tfw turning 50yo tomorrow
>tfw i was only 18yo when I first found /b/

>>11294110
I hope they remember to put all the pins into the parachute harness, and set the flight timer correctly this time. Wait, I thought they didn't have to do an in-flight abort demo? Didn't NASA say they wouldn't have to do th...
OH
THAT WAS BOEING
MY BAD

>>11294435
Try,

options:"sage";always

in "Quote Reply Personas" in Advanced tab in 4chan-x.

>>11294441
Well, I'd want them to do it anyway for extra safety and all that. All we need is a red smear of former astronauts tarnishing all this current glory.

>>11294434
Elon is going to rake it in hand over fist and use that dough to finance his own personal Dutch East India company outpost on Mars and the Belt

>>11294439
That's impossible, 4chan isn't 32 years old, it's 16.

>>11294442
Eh, I sage responsibly already. Not that it matters with all the other retards around.

>>11294446
I really fucking hope so. It'll literally be powered by memes.

>>11294456
he's going to own the telecom AND the transportation industry offworld

>>11294446
>tfw can't slave away in de belt foh dee innahs yet
Why must it take so long?

>>11293112
It'll be cheap enough for the government to excuse.

>>11294460
kek. future /pol/ "Its da muuuusks!. They own all the infrastructure and it's their fault my life sux"

>>11294485
Good to see someone else is Infrared-Pilled on the Martian Question.

>>11294485
>defending kikes and their prevalence and influence in media and economy with a retarded ad absurdum

>>11294422
>Moon bases are really only going to be for science research. That's great and all, but space stations are where humanities' future resides.
Moon bases should be important for resource extraction and also as a possible launchpad.

>That's only 5 years, anon. Neither are going to happen in that time span. I'd love to be proven wrong.
This. 2030 is the 'real' cutoff for me.

>>11294495
I actually hope that Musk gains that type of dominance

>>11294500
2030 is when the Chinese moon program is supposed to start heating up though.

>>11294546
So if we get there by then, then we'll still be ahead of the game. Supposedly we'll have a sustained presence there by the late 2020s. Hopefully they start setting up some meaningful infrastructure. I still think we should use the Moon as a permanent launch-base. Launching from the Earth is too hard.

>>11294447
>he never posted on /b/ in the late 80's
newfag get out

>>11294447
>Back in my day, calling OP a faggot meant something, it had impact and power. Nowadays, kids just parrot lines for internet points. It's all meaningless memes now.

>>11294546
Maybe once that gets started the US would start to take spaceflight more seriously again. Ideally IMO China would start trying to claim parts of the moon.

>>11294684
>Maybe once that gets started the US would start to take spaceflight more seriously again.
People have been hoping for this ever since the Chinese launched their first astronaut

>>11294688
Well it's either the Chinese or a private company who makes the US stop treating their spaceflight industry as a welfare program. I just hopes it happens sooner rather than later.

>>11294696
Honestly if it wasn't for private companies I'd say manned spaceflight beyond LEO was a lost cause. Thinking about the death of Constellation and all the people memeing about a second space race with China and how international cooperation is the only way forward gives me PTSD

>>11294699
Reminder: cooperation = stagnation. Competition = innovation.

>>11294699
private companies have yet to do anything noteworthy at all

>>11294865
Just for SpaceX
>started the first serious attempt at reusability since the Shuttle
>developed the heaviest rocket in the US currently flying
>dominated the commercial payload market
And much more smaller achievements, and that's just the beginning. Just wait until SpaceX get's Starship done, and when other companies join in like Blue Origin.

>>11294865
Literally inventing the first useful propulsively landing booster and pioneering the entire field of retropropulsive reentry isn't noteworthy now that they've made it routine for themselves, while literally no one else has worked it out yet?

>>11294895
I wouldn’t say SpaceX are dominating the commercial market, when Arianespace have significantly more commercial payloads scheduled than them this year. They’ve definitely taken a sizeable chunk of the market, but dominating is an exaggeration. The large amount of sizeable commercial payloads SpaceX launched in 2018 and early 2019 wasn’t representative of their market domination, but instead them having a lengthy backlog of payloads which has recently dried up.

>>11295077
SpaceX is dominating the commercial market where they are allowed to. Arianespace has monopoly in Europe because Europe does not want to allow SpaceX any contracts. Allows SpaceX to compete in European launches = death of Arianespace.

>>11294903
Plus demonstrating a full successful flight of a spacecraft intended for manned flight, which doesn't get enough credit
>tfw Soyuz was only meant to be America's ride to space until 2014

>NASA shot down any viable attempt at a manned spacecraft between the 80's and 90's because it might endanger those sweet shuttle contracts
feels bad man

>>11295153

>>11295153
It wasn't NASA. Congress didn't want to buy it.

>>11295155

>>11295161
>>11295156
More like the old established NASA bureaucracy didn't want anything to challenge the Shuttle so shot down any attempts. Remember that the upper crust(Not the actual designers and engineers) of NASA is no different than any government bureaucracy and wants to keep the pork flowing in a consistent manner

>>11295168

Not just pork, but a whole ideology of rationalization and rhetoric springs up around these programs that these supporters buy into and become pathological about.

>>11295153
>>11295168
Look upon these dumb fuck conspiracy theorists and laugh. The real reason the X-38 (which was envisaged as a lifeboat/emergency escape vehicle) was cancelled was due to the ISS’ cost growth eating into the HEO budget; this meant funds were tighter, so NASA instead decided to go with the much cheaper and practical option of working with Energia to modify the existing Soyuz into a suitable lifeboat.

>>11295178
>tfw the original Orion contract was going around most contractors came up with a light-weight 6 person capsule that could be lifted by an EELV but they were all rejected in favour of the NASA designed Constellation architecture
>those shitty contracts made during that period (delivering 5 stage solid boosters, continued use of the shuttle main fuel tank) defined SLS and left us in the hole we are now

>>11295178
>but a whole ideology of rationalization and rhetoric
You mean like the general mindset that "If NASA can't do it, then no one can. NASA can't do it because space is hard. Therefore no one can."?

>>11295156

Congress is used as a scapegoat, especially as a canard by modern day SLS supporters who want to restrict the entirety of your thinking to a narrow lane that lets SLS off the hook, deny the recognition of the existence of any alternative from what they want, and hide their own obsessive and belligerent preference for it behind some other thing responsible. NASA had and has an internal culture that was malfeasant. You can imagine a self selecting process run amok that selects people who are gung ho for the program of record they are a part of including the patriotic and received glory and internal and external promoted public relations aspects, and who only receive exposure to this environment not containing the types of substantive criticism you might find here or elsewhere.

Congress views don't form in a vacuum and are shaped by people from this culture and who groom congresspeople for acting for its behalf.

>>11295188
>dumb fuck conspiracy theorists and laugh.
Okay so why was the HL-20 canceled? Why was the Venture Star canceled? Why was Shuttle-C canceled? Was it all due "cost"? (despite the Shuttle costing close to a billion per launch?) or was it due to an upper management that wanted nothing less than to keep the status quo to keep their jobs cushy and the politicians happy?

spacex has been overtaken in the tent game

>>11295209
Not him, but it could be due to NASA wanting to develop, test, and verify a Shuttle replacement while flying the Shuttle at the same time. The Shuttle was a failure, but what was even worse was that it was adopted at the expense of the Apollo hardware which meant that NASA couldn't go back to better and (potentially) cheaper Apollo spacecraft when they realize that the Shuttle wasn't going to work out. A Shuttle replacement could be even worse than the Shuttle, and if NASA just blindly shuts down the Shuttle while starting work on the replacement could mean that NASA would be in an even worse position for spaceflight. So having both the Shuttle and replacement in parallel would be the safe move, but the Shuttle was so expensive that little would be left for the replacement to be developed on. Thus explaining why most replacement proposals were turned down due to cost. They were cheaper than the Shuttle, but not cheap enough to have it AND the Shuttle.

>>11295200
I do love when you can tell it's that one Anon just by the formatting and conspiracyshit.

>>11295161

The topright one actualy looks pretty good. Like a sleeker, cheaper Space Shuttle. Just put it on top of a Falcon 9 or an Atlas V.

A cool idea is to put some seats in it, add a couple of windows, remove the docking port, add some doors and replace the rocket engine for a single jet engine and you will have intercontinental travel for rich business people (Like Starship is being proposed as able to do). It allready does look damn close to being a private jet.

The ISS occupies a weird spot in international geopolitics - a lot of it exists just so that ex-USSR rocket scientists would be gainfully employed in jobs that would not create proliferation risks against the United States. That seems to be the only real reason they voted to build the International Space Station instead of the Superconducting Supercollider, and why all of the warranted but not vital supplements, like dedicated crew transport vehicles instead of the huge and expensive Shuttles, were never pursued.

>>11295161
Is it possible to design a cylindrical-like capsule that reenters "side-ways"?

>>11295209
None of these apart from Venture Star were really cancelled. HL-20 was just a lifting body research project ran by Langley, with possible spaceflight applications and Shuttle-C was always just a study/concept. Venture Star was the only one that really progressed far enough to be cancelled and that was due to the technical problems and significant cost growth that crippled the sub-scale X-33’s development.

>>11295293
That reentry profile is not ballistically stable; it requires active control surfaces and a lifting profile to enter in that manner.

>>11295293
Yep, sort off...

>>11295308
Looks interesting. Why haven't these been developed more?

>>11295315
>Looks interesting. Why haven't these been developed more?

They have been. Sierra Nevada's Dream Chaser will be going to space soon.

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2019/10/dream-chaser-path-flight-primary-structure-snc/

>>11295308
Ah, the magic of biconic lifting bodies...

>>11295315
I hope Blue Origin have kept the original design for their rumoured New Glenn capsule.

>>11295292
It was a reasonable thing to do.
Keep in mind that only thing what make chinese crewed program a reality is some russian engineer selling them Soyuz blueprints in the 90s.
And back then russians had a lot of stuff on various stages of development, from simple reusable capsule to pretty much Starship analogue.

>>11295321
Not really biconic/a capsule entering sideways but it’ll do

>>11295292
To think about it, collapse of the USSR was a greatest hit to a human exploration of space.
I wish they could smoothly transition to democracy and market economy without just falling apart, like Hungary did, for example.
In some parallels reality Freedom and Mir-2 orbit the Earth simultaneously.

>>11295293

There's this oddball. Not much on it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/comments/dixqpp/rockwell_c1057_breadbox_space_shuttle_concept/

>>11295374
Wtf had never seen it

>>11295374
thicccc it's unironically cute

>>11292634
>>swarm intelligent
swarm intelligence is overrated. Most of the difficult with doing that is not from how you organize things at a big scale, which is what swarm robotics is good for, but putting things together a small scale. Like putting bolts in holes and routing wires. Swarm intelligence won't help with that. Also, we're finding that individual ants are smarter than we thought they were, making some things we thought about swarm intelligence go away.

>>11295374
Thanks, I love it.

>just learning about celestrak
what's some other based /sfg/ related software? does sfg program/code?

>>11295443
forgot pic

>>11292619
SLS slipped to 2021 and construction of Falcon SH hasn't even started yetthough.

>>11295225
>tfw you can’t wait to go to the circus

NASA isn't on trial. There is no trial. NASA hasn't done jack shit in a decade as far as the public is concerned. The cult of NASA is twice as strong as ever.

>>11295568
No one mentioned a trial though...

>>11295567
Don't go there, fren. I went there thinking that it would be fun and that I would see clowns but while I was inside I got tackled by a short bald man in a vest and sunglasses. He brought me into a room and did unspeakable things to me for hours before I was released. He kept calling me "Elon", that isn't even my name.

>>11294546
We should put satellites in orbit of Luna to shoot down any and all Chinese craft. Soulless pseudo fascists stay on Earth

>>11293987
Not a “tranny”, sorry.

You should try going to church.

>>11293902
>It’s just that obviously construction on Mars/moon isn’t very analogous to Earth

In many ways it’s easier. The weaker gravity of those bodies and reduced concern for wind effects would allow for structures to reach monolithic scales.

>>11293317

>>11295636
Luna in particular will be crazy, zero atmosphere, no tectonics and tiny gravity means you could build huge structures with relatively weak materials. Regolith sintering in particular looks extremely promising, especially on Luna where you get two weeks of super intense sunlight, you could use this with a big lense on wheels to go around sintering for the entirety of those two weeks and pump out dome after dome. Heck you could use them to just roll around sintering surface roads too for basically no cost, keep your surface vehicles off the shitty regolith.

>>11293279
>I want the first person to take the most important step in the final frontier to be a tranny(ideally me)- just to make white male and everyone seethe

>>11295672
I’m not interested in making people “seethe” because I’m not eight years old.

>>11295632
>Pretending that you're not a tranny in order to tell someone to go find an invisible sky daddy so that you can pretend you're still not mentally ill.

Once again, the irony.

>>11295680
Prove I’m a “tranny”.

you guys know all of this rocketry bullshit doesn't matter right? ufos are real and all of this work will be for nothing once the wider world gets the technology.

>>11295697
>ufos are real and all of this work will be for nothing once the wider world gets the technology.

There is no way to know if and when that will occur.

>>11295697
I don't think anyone's going to complain if that ever comes to pass. Until then, what we've got is some darn cool stuff.

>>11295704
>>11295705
well it's cool you guys can be chill about it but it makes me fucking pissed. one or more of:

aliens
us military
illuminati
jews
catholic church
jewish illuminati

is literally flying ufos in the sky right now. every day they refuse to give us miniature nuclear reactors or antimatter or whatever the fuck they're doing is another day of wasted efforts. FUCK

SpaceX does not have the tonnage to do what NASA wants to do with SLS in regards to gateway and lunar landings.

Thats just the sad fact.

>>11294434
jesus christ this is the dumbest fucking post I think Ive read all day

beating out the x nuts

Are you going tell me everyone is going to join hands and sing kumbaya for the good of humanity

>>11295677
>I'm not 8 years old
mmmm ok

>>11295722
Super Heavy will have comparable payload to LEO to SLS.

>>11295727
>Are you going tell me everyone is going to join hands and sing kumbaya for the good of humanity

It’s perfectly possible. Pretending everyone is as sociopathic as them is a common obfuscation done by sociopaths.

>>11295824
>It’s perfectly possible
graduate

>>11295824
It is definitely not possible, this is a textbook case of delusions of grandeur.

Im not a sociopath, but are you going to sit here and tell me you have absolutely zero negative opinions of anyone, that you will never challenge anyone on anything. That you will completely disarm yourself, because what you are spouting is the movie plot for demolition man a satirical take on a utopian society on a more grand planetary scale.

The moment one single nation no matter how big or small makes one singular nuclear weapon and goes against this order is when they achieve global and multi planetary dominance and the ability to enforce anything and everything, and I would imagine if they were willing to go that far they wouldnt have pacifist utopian kumbaya in mind, unless this is what you are advocating for global tyranny

Any woman here want to go to the space? Or more likely, any man here who is willing to become a woman to go to space?

>>11295613
Thanks, fren. Guess Ill spend my day at home again watching trap porn instead

>>11295636
Yeah that’s what I mean really- I don’t really understand the emphasis on heavy machinery and thereby it’s cooling, when this construction is in space/low-g

>>11294434
Micro-g environments in LEO and on the moon are going to make space profitable by the end of the decade, if we’re extremely conservative

>>11295667
landing pads for real ass-landing rockets to not kick up dust

>>11295990
Yes they do
https://youtu.be/l5I8jaMsHYk?t=98

>>11295854
> It is definitely not possible

Yes it is, silly. Humans help eachother all the time.

> Im not a sociopath, but are you going to sit here and tell me you have absolutely zero negative opinions of anyone , that you will never challenge anyone on anything. That you will completely disarm yourself, because what you are spouting is the movie plot for demolition man a satirical take on a utopian society on a more grand planetary scale.

STRAAAAAAAAWMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

>>11295994
Who the fuck put dust on the landing pad? Buy a few robots with vacuums or some Mexican guy with a broom

>>11296072
The outer surfaces of concrete ablate into dust when heated, Anon.

>>11296076
Invent something that doesn’t do that.

>>11296080
It already exists. High alumina cement and refractory aggregates produce heat and spall resistant concrete.

Hi guys, how the fuck we planning on building this shit? Is this concert pad going to be built in smaller pieces or launched as one. Surely you cant make cemete on the moon

>>11296119
Forgot pic

>>11293352
>Painted core stage

>>11293839
>photons don't exist
>mercury is tidally locked with the sun, the night lasts billions of year on mercury

>>11296071
>people help each other all the time
This doesnt make any fucking sense whatsoever in regards to what I said
And those that choose not to be apart of this utopian wetdream what then? People who choose to take advantage of others are they just not going to anymore?


Just tell me

And that wasnt a strawman it was a hypothetical example of what you are preaching

US will be the first country to send a tranny into space

>>11296304
Christ will you shut up

>>11296180
but orange rocket bad

When is anything big happening?

>>11296371
Crew Dragon In Flight Abort on the 18th. Important test before SpaceX finally launches humans.

>>11296379
>before SpaceX finally launches humans.
is this on a timeline yet?

>>11296392
No just estimates.

>>11296364
Am I wrong?

>>11296392
I'm not too bothered about it as long as Boing doesn't get a free cut-in-line pass.

>>11296402
To shitpost? Yes, yes you are, stop.

>>11296410
How is pointing out a fact shitpost?

>>11296412
Stop.

>>11296412
>>11296414
Both of you quit it.

>>11296414
Stop what? Putting trannies into space?

>>11292761
2..5 years IMHO.
"Falcon 1 attempted five flights between 2006 and 2009"
I think this is current starship stage - early testbed.
>The Falcon 9 v1.0 rocket successfully reached orbit on its first attempt on June 4, 2010.
IMHO this is the actual usable thing.

Reminder the Boeing Starliner OFT was a near total success.

Why are so many female astronauts Jewish?

>>11296510
Can we stop with the obvious baiting pls?

>>11296516
He must be really bored, he keeps trying with different lines.

>>11296524
He’s not very imaginative, he’s already mentioned Boeing, Jews and women...he’s likely gonna mention black people next.

>>11296530
Or bring up politics, American or British.

>>11293964

Based BFS creating a micro meteorite storm to BTFO NASA diversity project

>>11296581
>more cringeworthy baiting

>>11296587

Bore off reddit tranny poster

>>11296587
Report and ignore him.

>>11295727
Anon, that is literally the only way it will happen. Like LITERALLY. No one is going to drop mega shitloads of cash to do what your popsci fantasies show. Meaning, it is all 200% fucked and will never ever happen. Grow the fuck up.

>>11295944
I've heard this sort of point mentioned before, but there doesn't seem to be any companies wanting to jump on that wagon.

>>11295722

Procure multiple flights = more tonnage than SLS can do.

>>11292641
Why does Russian aerospace aluminum look so gray while Western aluminum is shiny? Seriously, all their rockets and planes are gray when they're left unpainted.

>>11296689
More launches more risk.

Only the SLS can deliver utmost performance in the least number of launches.

>>11296710

-launch reliability is pretty good and getting better all the time.
-there may be designable architectures that are resistant to failure
-greater tonnage can afford risk reduction measures themselves
-accept the risk

>>11296710
...if it ever launches, and it better be the least number because they don't have factory capacity to build more than two a year

>>11295712
the government being dicks about nuke development is the real crime

>>11296710
eh? more launches is less risk, if one blows up you still have a bunch more

>>11292619
they look like fat cocks lmao

>>11296763
I bet you're very familiar with fat cocks fag

>>11296710
>More launches more risk.
Great, let's do nothing at all.

>>11294684
The Space Force, while it won't end up having a significant manned presence in space for some time, will inevitably get us there due to the increased push for on-orbit maintenance and defense of existing space assets. Those elements require DEPOTS and other types of in-space replenishment to make the expense of certain new kinds of platforms worthwhile. Eventually their complexity will mandate a manned presence in some areas.

>>11296119
>>11296121
You do realize that there is some bare rock and lightly covered rock on the moon? Why not use one of those areas as your early landing site. Yes, some debris will be created but once the rock is blasted clean the hazard stops.

>>11296885
I think that's a position that's taken by some people unironically. Reduce the number of failures by reducing the number of launches to much that every payload has extra time to make sure that they're ready. Pretty much turn every space project into JWST.

>>11296951
The solution to that is to increase the number of rockets and launch crews. You could have one launch every hour, but each one could have been a 5 year mission plan and safety check or whatever. Taht's sorta what is already happening. Only instead of say only NASA doing that, it is several private businesses and different countries together. So, like, "fuck NASA."

>JWST
I'm pretty sure that's a grant farm and nothing more.

>>11295416
The main structure would be made from brick and some concrete and would not necessarily need nuts and bolts, which swarm robots would be suited for
It needs to be structurally sound and keep out radiation/ constant temperature
Habitation can just be made to hold an atmosphere in, assembled inside by people
Semi-coordinated Swarm robots would be great for the bulk of what is needed, people can assemble some pieces inside and flip on the moxie system

That’s an interesting looking boat...

>>11296951
the virgin NASA:
everything needs to be perfect, no one must ever see me fail
spend 600,000 man hours inspecting every tile
afraid of losing funding

vs the Chad Spacex:
blow shit up, idgaf
the faster it explodes the faster I get my failure point data
weld spaceships in an windy field

so Yusaku Maezawa just put out an ad for his moonshot
https://twitter.com/yousuck2020/status/1216272633248903168?s=20

>>11297291
NASA:
>strives to eak out every little last bit of performance from the architecture
>chooses underperforming hydrogen sustainer core stage with solid strap-on booster architecture

SpaceX:
>review the best proposals of the last fifty years
>tweak it until it's the best possible performing architecture
>use the margins to slap an orbital rocket together out of stainless in a tent in a field in a swamp on a beach in Texas

>>11297296
the first woman to the moon will be there as a sugarbaby. could there be a better redpill for the masses?

>>11297313
one of the first women AROUND the moon
first woman on the surface will be there as an astronaut for NASA still probably
there will be other women on that trip, and some of them might be engineering staff for SpaceX

Good morning, my dudes.

>>11297296
Is it too late to legally become a women?

>>11297350
mornin /b/ro

>>11292726
Nice

>>11297291
i like spaceX too, but maybe you should dail it back a bit?

>>11297350
it looks lewd without a payload or fairing on top

>>11297291
>weld spaceships in an windy field
Thanks, for the hearty kek, anon.

>>11297424
it's a legitimate strategy

>>11296664
You’re right- ‘Made In Space’ is the only company I know who have made a specific objective about this and are actually doing something.

However, we already have labs and researchers looking into superconductors, pure metals/chemicals- it’s just not commercial viable until the cost per kg of resource to send comes down. You can be sure private industry will take these spots quicker than you can blink

Was the Energiya rocket and the Buran actually good tech or was it a meme

>>11297469
it's no Starship Super Heavy

>>11295456
Starship itself has though.
>>11297291
>pic related

>>11297499
Kek sums it up

>>11297487
This would be the only reality TV dating show that I want to watch

>>11297545
>getting voted off Starship
>tossed out the airlock
I'd watch

Test Shot Starfish is a good band
https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1216416194770751491?s=20

>>11297545
The reality show could even raise enough money to pay for the ride.

>>11297731
it well could. damn yo, whoever creates the first show like this and gets famous for establishing the franchise, Mark Burnett style, would mint money from here to eternity. on the other hand i can't stand the thought of space being tainted by thottiness (as if I was gonna do it anyway lol). guess it'll have to be someone else

>>11297778
What the hell is thottiness
Sounds like incel cringe cope

>>11297778
>i can't stand the thought of space being tainted by thottiness
Someday an 18 year old whore on the moon will get e-tips from lonely men on colonies across the system. We may not live to see it, but by God it will happen.

>>11297778
>i can't stand the thought of space being tainted by thottiness
When something as mundane as thottery is commonplace in space, that's a win. Space will and should play host to all the virtues and iniquities of mankind.

>when you nut but she still sucking

>>11297783
Whores are awesome. Women who aren’t whores should be sent to whore re-education camps

>>11297817
>tie it the fuck down
yeah it's not escaping this time

>>11297829
>Whores are awesome
I love your mom too anon.

>>11292634
I wonder if this can be adapted to make human dwellings

>>11297350
Dirty boi

>>11297487
Based Nip looking for space gf

>>11297928
that's only half of a rocket, the second stage is a dummy

>>11297559
Kek

>>11297817
Why did it implode like that? I would have been expecting it to look like beef curtains.

>>11297559
He wouldn't actually do that however she wouldn't know that. Its all about the implications.

>>11297953
structural failure and then collapse

>>11297795
but a huge part of the appeal is a chance to start over, and make it better this time

oh fuck wrong board
have a mega ultra chicken

>>11297974
I saw it. I saw your shame, boi

>>11297977
"shame"?

>>11297499

even the lower end of SLS cost predictions put it at what, $5 billion per launch? wtf

>>11297969
A ridiculous, arrogant delusion.

why is spaceflight popular?

>>11297469
Probably better than the American shuttle because it was more versatile, although that‘s hard to tell with only one flight.
Still a shuttle though and thus pointlessly expensive for no good reason.

>>11298150
its not, but i need something to look forward to and its cool engineering.

>>11298150
Because of manifest destiny, sorry Jamal the concept is too hard for your brain.

>>11297296
Artemis BTFO

>>11297296
He is looking for artists too right? Do memes count? I could produce some sweet luna pepes and shit.

>>11297969
So have even more orgies than we already do and completely abandon social conservatism? Sounds awesome.

>>11297353
fucking kek
imagine - the first woman on the moon is a tranny

>>11296885
That's pretty much the idea.

>>11297953
Seam failed and the water rushed out, creating vacuum under the dome above

>>11296700
>useless polished show-off virgin aluminum vs purely practical anodized chad aluminium

>>11298238
At least it means the welds were good, right? It just got tested with negative pressure instead of positive.
>>11298210
Maybe they can find out just how hard it is to have sex in zero-gee without something to brace against. It's a docking problem and you need some kind of maneuvering thrust.

Black and Muslim people are unhygienic (objective, proven fact) and shouldn't be sent to space stations and such where sterile environment are required.

>>11298150
Humanity is an agent of entropy. We need to spread in order to accelerate heat death.

>>11298424
I'm sold. What's your cult called I want in

>>11298424
>>11298440
>humanity invented/discovered fire
>fire is the best representation of entropy and heat death in action

>>11297296
>>11297353
>Yusaku Maezawa finds a partner
>is told that it's a girl
>they meet in starship
>hfw it's an AIDS infested tranny
>tranny ends up committing suicide because 40% meme
>he commits sudoku from the shame of getting catfished
>youfailed.png

>>11298071
Starship won't beat SLS to crewed flight.

>>11298463
They'll be having marriage meetings, it's some traditional Japanese dating practice. He's really just looking for a regular date, crewed Starship is still a couple of years away.

>>11298505
What a massive bloody song and dance they're making of this

>>11298736
Hey, after half a decade of literally nothing, you can‘t blame them for being excited at getting to move their huge rocket around.
I mean really. It‘ll just lie around again for most of this year with just one static fire in between.

>>11298310
It wasn't negative pressure, it was positive. They strapped the bulkhead down so that it wouldn't fly away, once the tank 'exploded' structural integrity was compromised and it crumpled under its own weight.

Someone make new thread.

>>11298790
no u

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>>11298770
That sounds confusing. Have we got a video?

>>11298854
yeah
somebody make a new thread, I'm busy

>>11297267
Imagine if it it sank xD

>>11298873
Craning it up into position will be extremely anxiety inducing...

>>11298939

>>11298873
>>11298939
It usually takes a crane to get it out.

>>11298769
Talk about overmanning. We used to have this in the UK in the seventies when the unions were calling the shots, before the complete disastrous inefficiency led to the collapse of multiple industries.

Not long now until Starship flies hopefully. Tick tock...

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